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>> The horrific mass shooting

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in Uvalde, Texas that left 19

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school children along with 2

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teachers. Dead is refreshing.

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Conversations about action

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against gun violence. I talked

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with the Kentucky Education

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commissioner and school safety

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officials about how safe our

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Kentucky schools and what can

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be done to make them even

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safer. That's now on

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connections.

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Thank you for joining us for

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connections again today.

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I'm Renee Shaw. Thank you.

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You know, last week we talked

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to a mass shooting survivor

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Whitney Austin about her

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experience and her calls for

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action and policy proposals

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to finally do something about

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gun violence. Well, I had a

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chance earlier this week to

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speak to Kentucky Education

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Commissioner Jason Glass about

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this very issue. And here's

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what he had to say.

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Commissioner Glass, we

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appreciate a few minutes of

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your time.

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>> Glad to be here with you in

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a any time.

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>> Yes, sorry, it's under such

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but I do want to get your

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reaction because you have an

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experience that many people may

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not know about that can really

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how many people are viewing

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this evolve Day elementary

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school shooting that killed

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19 innocent children and 2

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teachers.

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>> All right. Well, before

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returning to Kentucky, I was

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the superintendent in Jeffco,

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which as wonderful community in

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place to It's the Western sort

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of suburbs of the Denver area.

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But one distinction and has is

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that it includes Columbine High

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School, which but many folks

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point to as the sort of genesis

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are beginning of this hole

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school shootings and what

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happened there and the

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districts also had 2 other

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school shootings in its

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history. And when I came to

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Kentucky brought with a

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colleague Thomas Woods, Tucker,

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and he was the superintendent

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Douglas County just south of

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Jeffco that while he was

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superintendent they had a

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school shooting at the STEM

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charter school. So we bring

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those experiences here. Both

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him from managing an active

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shooter situation. It, of

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course, when I was at Columbine

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happened many years before,

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but got to see the the recovery

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and just continuing management

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of that grieving and wound.

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The community never really get

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over that experience. You.

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>> So when you heard about what

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happened in Texas, what was

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your first thought?

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like a human being just like

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everyone else as you're

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horrified and heartbroken.

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start coming out, you hope that

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>> loss of life damages a

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mitigated as possible. But

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goodness, that reports just

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kept coming. It kept getting

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worse and I kept thinking we're

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on the path toward another

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Sandy hook situation. Just

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given the ages of the of the

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children. It was happening at

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an elementary school and the

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death toll continued to rise.

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through again, many of the same

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things I think other people

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do. What could have happened to

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prevent us getting to the

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situation. And then just as a

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former school administrator

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thinking through what were the

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procedures that were in was

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where the early warnings where

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they acted upon. What sort

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protections did this the school

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system have in the event of

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an active shooter in

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terms of I'm human, I'm the

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building protections, things to

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physically secure the a

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behavioral things that you

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shooter. What happened when the

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police responded and what what

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was that situation? How quickly

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could they get medical care?

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logistical considerations.

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thinking about this process of

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grieving in recovery, which is

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going to take to for for this

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community to move on from it

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and never will fully heal.

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>> For many parents and

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educators who watch this unfold

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and school was just letting out

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here in Kentucky as well.

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them that Kentucky schools are

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safe or perhaps?

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statistically school is one

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of the safest places in a child

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can So you look injuries or

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how children get hurt in

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school, in spite of the sort

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epidemic of school shootings

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continues happen. Schools are

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really safe place for students

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and Kentucky's done some good

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things when it comes to school

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safety a couple of years ago in

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the wake of the Marshall County

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the Legislature passed the

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Senate bill, one of the school

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Safety and Resiliency Act which

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took a lot of steps statewide

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to put in place a system of

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support and ensure that we have

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basis of school safety around

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elements school resource

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officers who I think can be a

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tremendous positive impact on

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school. Clearly we've seen from

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the Stoneman Douglas shooting.

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things that can go wrong.

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weaknesses that can be

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exploited, especially if people

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don't follow through on what

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they are supposed to do.

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panacea, but even this past

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session, while the legislature

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took action to get an SRO in

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buildings, the field to put the

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funding with that to make it

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actually happen or the supports

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that are necessary to train

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police officers to be to

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sorrows. You can just take any

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cop and put them in the

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building and expect that to be

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successful to different

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mentality and mindset. If you

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have a police officer that

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becomes part of the school

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community and he's a supportive

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part of the kids and the staff

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in the building. It's a

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different mindset that requires

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a different kind of training.

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create sorrows and we need the

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resources to actually put them

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with the bill last year.

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calls to arm school personnel,

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teachers, administrators.

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idea on a number of And I think

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it starts we're not hearing

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from teachers that they want

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responsibility it is a

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perishable skill to have to

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that I'm a trained law

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enforcement have on a regular

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their targets. And so you have

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someone who has minimal

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training and minimal and not

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the mindset to be carrying a

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that you're asking to pull that

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out and engage with the shooter

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one of the one of the lessons

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that we learned in column by

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that I think was repeated an

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is trained when there's an act

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of sheer you breach the

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building and you engage the

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shooter. That was something

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that happened in Columbine.

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windows and trying to get out

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of the building that change the

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procedures for law enforcement.

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you engage. That clearly didn't

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happen in Texas. But one of the

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problems that you can have a

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few the staff inside the

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building is when the law

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enforcement peers and breaches

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the building, you have a bunch

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of people with guns inside.

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significant problem that I

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don't think you have an answer

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for. I think weapons and

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protection and hardening

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schools has a place that an

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important part of this

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conversation. In addition to

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getting upstream and thinking

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about how we can prevent the

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situation from happening in the

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first place. Hardening the

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school is an important part of

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the conversation but I think

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teacher to have this

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responsibility and then carry

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executed, carry it out in a

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hostile situation. There's a

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little far fetched more than a

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little farfetched.

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>> What do you mean by carrying

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it upstream? Because we have

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talked about the hardening, a J

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school. So the soft, the

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emotional skills, et cetera.

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made about how do you broach

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this from an upstream

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perspective? Yes, so well,

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almost all of these cases where

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we look at the shooter and that

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shooter as well. You see lots

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of in advance of the act.

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that something bad is about

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>> And do we have systems in

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place where that can be

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reported and then acted on.

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And there's a clear a set of

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accountability or follow up for

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those sorts of actions.

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Kentucky has a system that's

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designed to do that. The stop

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tip it needs a lot more

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attention. It needs more

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resources. It needs to be

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better known. But following

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Columbine again in Colorado,

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one of the things that was put

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in place, there was a system

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called safe to tell that we are

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well resourced and people knew

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about it. And it was a way that

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you could a questionable

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behavior and went to a

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dispatcher and the dispatcher

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then investigated it and then

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sent a copy to the school

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superintendent or their

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designee in law enforcement.

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You had to follow up unresolved

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that show that you've taken

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some action that was stored and

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logged as well. All of these

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are steps we can take to get

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upstream as well as providing a

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stronger mental supports.

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We talk about having 250

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counselors for student has a

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goal ratio. We're a long way

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from that. And again, if the

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legislature in the state has

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that as a priority, we have to

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provide the resources and the

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personnel to actually make that

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happen.

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>> And that was a part of the

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original SB One from 2019 that

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made that ratio. Of course,

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it was. That was a negotiated

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number. But we're still nowhere

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close to matching matter.

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Some districts doing better

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than others.

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>> Well, you you put schools in

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the position of making these

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really wicked Do you want 35

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kindergartners in the classroom

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or do you want to add another

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counselor or do you want to

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have a an intervention? That's

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because you know, your students

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are behind because of COVID.

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These are the kinds of wicked

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choices that schools have to

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make on a regular basis.

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And so I think appropriating

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the resource to allow for us to

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have both the proactive in the

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case of of an active shooter.

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Have the resources available in

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the school so that we can

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respond proactively and in that

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I'm a terrible us a situation

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that they are there.

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>> Of the 525 million dollars

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at the Kentucky General

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Assembly appropriated to local

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school districts. I I think

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primarily for teacher raises.

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Do you think this becomes a

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part of how that money is doled

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out?

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>> I think going especially

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in environment. We've got to

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look more at not only the

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hardening of schools, as you

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say, but even more emphasis on

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the upstream. How can we get to

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greater mental health supports

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bolstering that system of early

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reporting and the intervention

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so that we can get get ahead of

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these things before they happen

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again in the case of the Texas

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shooter. And if you look at

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most school and mass murderers

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who have come to this point.

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The signs were all there.

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The signs were all there and

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they were ignored or

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inappropriately. And so what

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can we do to make sure that

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that's not happening is an

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important question.

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>> Well, Commissioner Jason

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Glass, thank you for your

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perspective and your time.

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Thank you.

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Our thanks to Doctor Jason

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Glass. The commissioner of the

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Kentucky Department of

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Education for talking with us

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about how Kentucky schools are

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broaching. The topic and

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concern of school safety coming

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up here on connections in just

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a second. I have a conversation

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with to school safety

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officials, John Akers, who runs

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the Kentucky Center for School

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Safety and Ben Wilcox, who is

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the Kentucky school security

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safety Marshall. That's coming

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up.

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Well, welcome, John Acres and

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Mister Ben Wilcox, thank you

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for being here. I'm sorry is

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under such unfortunate

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circumstances, but thank you

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for your time. Thank you.

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Very welcome. Thank you.

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I do want to start by just

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helping people understand what

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Kentucky is doing to keep

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Kentucky schools, the teachers,

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the parents, the staff, the

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kids safe. And Mister Akers,

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I'll begin with you because

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we've made legislation laws

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that date back to maybe even

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before the Marshall County High

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School shooting. That happened

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in 2018, 2019 legislation was

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passed. Is that keeping

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Kentucky kids and students and

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teachers safe enough. I think

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it's making some great strides.

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We started as

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>> early as 1998. After the

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Heat high school shooting.

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It happened in December 1997.

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and the General established the

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Kentucky Center for School

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Safety, which an agency that's

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designed to provide as much

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help to our public schools as

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possible in training resources

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and things like that. Then

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after the shooting that

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occurred as Sandy Hook Senate

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Bill 8 past. But the General

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Assembly in 2013 that added

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more legislation and more

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requirements for safety issues

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in our schools. And then, of

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course, after the Marshall

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County shooting, the school

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safety resiliency accent but

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want to send a bill late that

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even gave us more. And that is

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more walls to be able to try to

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keep our schools just a little

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safer than they have been in

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the past.

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>> And it established the state

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School safety which is your

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position. Tell us what you do.

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>> Well, this gold school

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safety resilience yet create

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our position, too. Do on site

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reviews and risk assessments on

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every local school district in

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the state of Kentucky. We have

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15 compliance officers. 3 of

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them are supervisors, 12 of

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them, our actual compliance

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officers that are located

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regionally throughout the

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state. Each compliance officer

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has about 120 schools. A piece

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and we walk in and do risk

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assessments on every school

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in the state of Kentucky, at

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least once a year, sometimes

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because we also provide

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training. Our job is almost

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like a health inspector, a fire

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inspector, except we're going

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in and making sure the mandates

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that are set forth by the

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school safety was a TEA Act

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are being followed. We also

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are there is a referee source

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that if a school needs you

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tuned up on safety or has

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questions about it, we can

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assist and then we can also

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push those questions over to

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this Kentucky Center for school

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safety to have them assist the

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school's. We also required to

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come out with a report every

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year. We did our first report

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last year. That shows where

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we're at and in the state of

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Kentucky. What resources are

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needed word. We need to go to

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make school safer. We've been

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doing this for 3 years. We're

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on our 3rd risk right now.

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And the biggest thing is our

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compliance officers have a

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phenomenal relationship with

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the schools that if they have

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a question, they can call

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someone that can be on their

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doorstep within 24 hours to a

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system right?

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>> With a lot of times we

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talked about the 2019 school

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safety and resiliency. Add to

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Mister Akers. We often heard

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the term hardening the schools,

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but there's another. I think

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another term that both of you

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prefer. But what do we mean

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by that?

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>> Well, there are 2 camps.

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What I call the hardware and

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the hardware But there are some

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where the hardware, right,

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right? The hardware side of it

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is basically or access control.

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That's the term you're looking

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for how we're going to make

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sure that our schools are

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secure as possible. Exterior

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doors locked and that the front

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door to be monitored

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electronically and have people

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come in to be sure that they

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are checking in to see what

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they're doing, making sure that

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they are there for legitimate

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reasons. And then the other

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side of this equation is the

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mental health side of this

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issue. And there are so many

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children that have issues long

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before COVID even came into

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play that need help. Now

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schools are served as kind like

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triage units. We identify some

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of these issues, but we're not

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trained to be able to handle

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it. And so that's, you know,

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therefore, we get in contact

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with our mental health care

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providers in our communities.

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And we try to send parents to

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them with their children safe.

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We can't just get some of these

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issues resolved.

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>> So do we know that schools

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are complying? Mister Wilcox

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with making sure exterior doors

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are locked and that those are

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now mandates is not permissive

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language. It's a requirement.

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>> From a report last we were

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in the high 90's with with a a

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90 percentile of compliance.

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And we also see with this year

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reported even going to be

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better. But the high 90's is

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not good enough for school

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safety. We have to be 100% all

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the time. The end. That's one

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of the reasons why we do on

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site reviews. This isn't a

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phone call that says, hey, all

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00:16:34,500 --> 00:16:38,433
your doors locked, our

578
00:16:35,066 --> 00:16:39,300
compliance officers going in

579
00:16:35,733 --> 00:16:40,000
and rattling each They're

580
00:16:38,433 --> 00:16:40,666
checking next here. Doors.

581
00:16:39,300 --> 00:16:45,066
If we get a call and complain

582
00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:46,633
on the school, this is where

583
00:16:40,666 --> 00:16:47,266
the doors are open will go look

584
00:16:45,066 --> 00:16:47,966
and see if you will, will

585
00:16:46,633 --> 00:16:49,300
combat that with not only

586
00:16:47,266 --> 00:16:50,933
putting in a report, an insane

587
00:16:47,966 --> 00:16:51,666
will have to be back for a

588
00:16:49,300 --> 00:16:53,466
reassessment to get this fixed.

589
00:16:50,933 --> 00:16:55,300
We'll come back and talk to all

590
00:16:51,666 --> 00:16:57,466
your staff and explain to them

591
00:16:53,466 --> 00:16:59,333
why this is so important.

592
00:16:55,300 --> 00:17:00,366
We've got so many teachers that

593
00:16:57,466 --> 00:17:01,533
may have not had that mindset

594
00:16:59,333 --> 00:17:03,400
of why we need to lock doors.

595
00:17:00,366 --> 00:17:04,366
And that's great that they've

596
00:17:01,533 --> 00:17:05,433
never needed that mindset.

597
00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,066
But we have to have that

598
00:17:04,366 --> 00:17:07,766
mindset now because it's the

599
00:17:05,433 --> 00:17:10,000
safety of our kids. So just

600
00:17:07,066 --> 00:17:11,166
going in and having one of our

601
00:17:07,766 --> 00:17:12,133
compliance officer saying it's

602
00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,866
an extra layer security.

603
00:17:11,166 --> 00:17:15,733
This is why we lock the

604
00:17:12,133 --> 00:17:16,066
exterior doors were locked into

605
00:17:12,866 --> 00:17:16,866
your doors and it clicks and

606
00:17:15,733 --> 00:17:20,266
goes. I

607
00:17:16,066 --> 00:17:22,200
see why. I'll tell you one of

608
00:17:16,866 --> 00:17:23,133
our helpers, as we should say

609
00:17:20,266 --> 00:17:27,066
in school safety and our kids.

610
00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:28,000
Our kids know those doors need

611
00:17:23,133 --> 00:17:28,933
to be a lot when Miss Gabbert

612
00:17:27,066 --> 00:17:30,133
doesn't shuttered or, you miss

613
00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,100
gathered, the door's not

614
00:17:28,933 --> 00:17:33,600
closed. It supposed to be

615
00:17:30,133 --> 00:17:34,233
close. Those are some of our

616
00:17:31,100 --> 00:17:34,933
best to help. First when it

617
00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,000
comes to school safety or

618
00:17:34,233 --> 00:17:37,633
parents coming in and saying,

619
00:17:34,933 --> 00:17:40,200
well, it was too easy for me to

620
00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,133
get in. We need to work on

621
00:17:37,633 --> 00:17:41,733
this. And that's what our

622
00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,300
office is there to do him.

623
00:17:41,133 --> 00:17:45,233
>> What lessons have you

624
00:17:41,733 --> 00:17:47,266
learned just from the

625
00:17:42,300 --> 00:17:49,233
information that we know so far

626
00:17:45,233 --> 00:17:49,966
about you've all day? What are

627
00:17:47,266 --> 00:17:53,200
you taking a close look at to

628
00:17:49,233 --> 00:17:53,933
say, OK, maybe we need to tweak

629
00:17:49,966 --> 00:17:54,633
some of our policy, some of our

630
00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,866
laws to make sure that we can't

631
00:17:53,933 --> 00:17:59,833
prevent to the greatest extent

632
00:17:54,633 --> 00:18:00,966
possible. That incident from

633
00:17:57,866 --> 00:18:02,000
happening in Kentucky.

634
00:17:59,833 --> 00:18:02,933
>> I think that I've been

635
00:18:00,966 --> 00:18:03,666
hearing in the news media

636
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,733
basically talked about exterior

637
00:18:02,933 --> 00:18:07,400
doors being breached, mentor in

638
00:18:03,666 --> 00:18:08,966
and interior doors being

639
00:18:06,733 --> 00:18:09,700
breached. And like Ben just

640
00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:12,533
mentioned, our access control

641
00:18:08,966 --> 00:18:13,200
laws require those things to be

642
00:18:09,700 --> 00:18:15,733
in place here in Kentucky.

643
00:18:12,533 --> 00:18:17,233
So I think that we should be

644
00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,933
pretty good there. But like Ben

645
00:18:15,733 --> 00:18:18,233
said, it's not 100% and that

646
00:18:17,233 --> 00:18:21,266
needs to be closer to 100% on

647
00:18:17,933 --> 00:18:22,633
that.

648
00:18:18,233 --> 00:18:25,933
>> What about metal detectors

649
00:18:21,266 --> 00:18:29,400
in every school?

650
00:18:22,633 --> 00:18:30,233
Metal detectors AR is window

651
00:18:25,933 --> 00:18:30,933
dressing.

652
00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,666
It sets a standard for

653
00:18:30,233 --> 00:18:32,900
the school. They're all going

654
00:18:30,933 --> 00:18:33,966
through the front doors are all

655
00:18:31,666 --> 00:18:34,600
being checked. But what about

656
00:18:32,900 --> 00:18:37,333
the side doors? What about the

657
00:18:33,966 --> 00:18:38,033
windows? What about after

658
00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:40,500
school? I was a high school

659
00:18:37,333 --> 00:18:41,300
principal for years. The door

660
00:18:38,033 --> 00:18:42,033
state wide open after 3 o'clock

661
00:18:40,500 --> 00:18:44,900
for all activities. So if

662
00:18:41,300 --> 00:18:45,800
somebody wanted to get a weapon

663
00:18:42,033 --> 00:18:47,500
in there or contraband and

664
00:18:44,900 --> 00:18:48,166
there they could do it.

665
00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:51,166
Built partly on just coming

666
00:18:47,500 --> 00:18:51,900
through the front door at 8

667
00:18:48,166 --> 00:18:53,000
o'clock in the we find that

668
00:18:51,166 --> 00:18:55,000
that the best tool out there is

669
00:18:51,900 --> 00:18:56,800
the relationship between the

670
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:58,400
teacher and the kid that the

671
00:18:55,000 --> 00:19:01,566
child really feels that the

672
00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:03,300
teacher cares for them. Then

673
00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:03,933
they're going to say, hey, I'm

674
00:19:01,566 --> 00:19:04,633
hearing something that I don't

675
00:19:03,300 --> 00:19:05,366
think sounds right. Maybe

676
00:19:03,933 --> 00:19:08,800
someone's got a gun. Someone's

677
00:19:04,633 --> 00:19:09,533
got a knife. Someone's got some

678
00:19:05,366 --> 00:19:10,266
dope, whatever the case may be.

679
00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:14,100
The teacher can look into Taken

680
00:19:09,533 --> 00:19:14,733
to the administrator, take it

681
00:19:10,266 --> 00:19:15,366
to their sorrow and to be

682
00:19:14,100 --> 00:19:16,066
involved with that. So at

683
00:19:14,733 --> 00:19:17,233
National your Bill module

684
00:19:15,366 --> 00:19:17,933
asking former under Secretary

685
00:19:16,066 --> 00:19:21,400
of education charge of safe and

686
00:19:17,233 --> 00:19:22,100
drug-free schools. We'll tell

687
00:19:17,933 --> 00:19:25,533
you the same thing that it's

688
00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:26,233
the relationships that really

689
00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:27,600
help prevent. Think more.

690
00:19:25,533 --> 00:19:29,766
So the metal detectors or, you

691
00:19:26,233 --> 00:19:31,433
know, any other kind of a door

692
00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:32,400
stops that you might be having.

693
00:19:29,766 --> 00:19:33,033
>> The legislature this past

694
00:19:31,433 --> 00:19:35,233
time passed a law. Mister

695
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,366
Wilcox, the require school

696
00:19:33,033 --> 00:19:37,300
resource officers in every

697
00:19:35,233 --> 00:19:40,300
school. And if they're not able

698
00:19:36,366 --> 00:19:41,033
to accommodate that for

699
00:19:37,300 --> 00:19:41,666
financial reasons are finding

700
00:19:40,300 --> 00:19:45,233
the personnel need to work with

701
00:19:41,033 --> 00:19:48,333
the UN and the Center for

702
00:19:41,666 --> 00:19:49,000
School Safety to come up with

703
00:19:45,233 --> 00:19:50,400
a plan. Do you think that that

704
00:19:48,333 --> 00:19:51,600
would such an episode where

705
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,300
they've all day as we learned

706
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,466
that perhaps there was some

707
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:57,400
hesitation there and what kind

708
00:19:52,300 --> 00:19:58,566
of training our SRO is getting

709
00:19:53,466 --> 00:20:00,466
to build those relationships

710
00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:02,066
with kids?

711
00:19:58,566 --> 00:20:02,800
>> Well, yes, the hbr House

712
00:20:00,466 --> 00:20:06,200
bill 63 was just passed it that

713
00:20:02,066 --> 00:20:06,866
requires a SRO for every campus

714
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:10,733
in the state of Kentucky by

715
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:11,433
August. First 2022 and less,

716
00:20:06,866 --> 00:20:12,066
there's funding or personnel

717
00:20:10,733 --> 00:20:13,833
issues for that school as our

718
00:20:11,433 --> 00:20:15,033
office will be putting out

719
00:20:12,066 --> 00:20:16,933
surveys to the schools to find

720
00:20:13,833 --> 00:20:18,566
out a lot of different

721
00:20:15,033 --> 00:20:20,033
information. How many sro's do

722
00:20:16,933 --> 00:20:22,366
you have? How suroeste you need

723
00:20:18,566 --> 00:20:23,200
what you're going to take

724
00:20:20,033 --> 00:20:24,400
funding wise for that. sorrows,

725
00:20:22,366 --> 00:20:26,066
are you having trouble finding

726
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,666
personnel? So we have some

727
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,333
school districts that have the

728
00:20:26,066 --> 00:20:30,600
money but can't find the

729
00:20:26,666 --> 00:20:31,266
personnel. And we have some

730
00:20:27,333 --> 00:20:32,000
school districts don't have

731
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:35,833
the money. And so we really

732
00:20:31,266 --> 00:20:37,100
need to really nail down what's

733
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:41,033
going on the state to get to

734
00:20:35,833 --> 00:20:42,066
that point coming from SRO

735
00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:43,166
background. I was SRO starting

736
00:20:41,033 --> 00:20:45,766
in 1999. After Columbine the

737
00:20:42,066 --> 00:20:46,433
state of Kentucky is

738
00:20:43,166 --> 00:20:50,100
implemented 120 hours where the

739
00:20:45,766 --> 00:20:52,133
certification sro's. That's

740
00:20:46,433 --> 00:20:52,766
3 weeks for that rain over a

741
00:20:50,100 --> 00:20:53,366
three-year period of time.

742
00:20:52,133 --> 00:20:55,066
The training is absolutely

743
00:20:52,766 --> 00:20:56,100
phenomenal. I can't find

744
00:20:53,366 --> 00:20:59,433
another state that has that

745
00:20:55,066 --> 00:21:00,233
much for certification and it

746
00:20:56,100 --> 00:21:02,600
works its way in from mental

747
00:20:59,433 --> 00:21:05,000
health for our officers working

748
00:21:00,233 --> 00:21:05,633
with the, you know, special

749
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,333
needs kids working with all

750
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,366
different types of mental

751
00:21:05,633 --> 00:21:10,533
health procedures. And if you

752
00:21:06,333 --> 00:21:11,600
ask yes, or what do I need to

753
00:21:09,366 --> 00:21:12,500
be trained? Almost it's had a

754
00:21:10,533 --> 00:21:14,500
deal with mental health with

755
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,600
special needs. That's where

756
00:21:12,500 --> 00:21:16,300
they want their training and it

757
00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:18,200
works its way into what I call

758
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,900
the tip of the spear training,

759
00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:21,266
where you're actually learning

760
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,966
about rapid deployment. You're

761
00:21:18,900 --> 00:21:24,700
working with rap diploma,

762
00:21:21,266 --> 00:21:26,766
active shooter training because

763
00:21:22,966 --> 00:21:27,466
most rose are your resource for

764
00:21:24,700 --> 00:21:28,933
the kids, their friends, those

765
00:21:26,766 --> 00:21:30,833
kids. But if someone comes in

766
00:21:27,466 --> 00:21:31,900
that school, they've got to

767
00:21:28,933 --> 00:21:32,600
beat the tip of the spear to

768
00:21:30,833 --> 00:21:33,300
protect those So it's

769
00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:34,566
absolutely amazing what we've

770
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,433
got going in state of Kentucky

771
00:21:33,300 --> 00:21:36,400
when it comes as our train.

772
00:21:34,566 --> 00:21:37,433
I'm very proud to be part of

773
00:21:35,433 --> 00:21:39,000
that

774
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,700
>> program. And as you know,

775
00:21:37,433 --> 00:21:43,600
that was quite controversial.

776
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:44,566
The conversations around that

777
00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:46,733
particularly in communities

778
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,800
where there is some schism

779
00:21:44,566 --> 00:21:50,800
between the law enforcement

780
00:21:46,733 --> 00:21:51,800
community and the kids who are

781
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,966
being served by law What do you

782
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,333
say to that?

783
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,000
>> Well, again, going back to

784
00:21:52,966 --> 00:21:57,366
be an SRO when you're working

785
00:21:54,333 --> 00:21:58,066
with those kids, those kids

786
00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:00,466
are your baby's nose. When you

787
00:21:57,366 --> 00:22:01,166
take care of, there were a lot

788
00:21:58,066 --> 00:22:05,666
of kids. I think John even

789
00:22:00,466 --> 00:22:06,233
brought this up. A lot of kids

790
00:22:01,166 --> 00:22:06,966
that didn't have a relationship

791
00:22:05,666 --> 00:22:08,800
with their teachers or

792
00:22:06,233 --> 00:22:09,500
principles or people like that.

793
00:22:06,966 --> 00:22:12,866
But they had a relationship

794
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:13,766
with me is SRO a lot of times

795
00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:14,800
because I understood where they

796
00:22:12,866 --> 00:22:15,433
came from. I worked a row to

797
00:22:13,766 --> 00:22:17,666
and I'd be in these kids houses

798
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,566
and they come talk to me.

799
00:22:15,433 --> 00:22:21,233
Well, you know what happened

800
00:22:17,666 --> 00:22:21,900
last night? You know, this and

801
00:22:18,566 --> 00:22:24,300
they had a special relationship

802
00:22:21,233 --> 00:22:24,966
just I was a law enforcement

803
00:22:21,900 --> 00:22:25,733
officer. And if you want to

804
00:22:24,300 --> 00:22:28,633
work with the community and

805
00:22:24,966 --> 00:22:30,266
heal the community, when you

806
00:22:25,733 --> 00:22:30,933
have issues like this, you put

807
00:22:28,633 --> 00:22:32,266
SRO an elementary school and

808
00:22:30,266 --> 00:22:32,866
those kids see what they're

809
00:22:30,933 --> 00:22:35,100
there for what they're really

810
00:22:32,266 --> 00:22:37,066
there for. And that's to

811
00:22:32,866 --> 00:22:37,800
protect them.

812
00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:40,733
>> One of the things that we

813
00:22:37,066 --> 00:22:43,600
constantly hear is that in many

814
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:44,600
of these cases, if not most

815
00:22:40,733 --> 00:22:45,433
of these cases of a school

816
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,766
shooting that the school

817
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:49,866
shooter had leak some

818
00:22:45,433 --> 00:22:52,133
information that on the other

819
00:22:47,766 --> 00:22:52,833
side, hindsight is 2020 that

820
00:22:49,866 --> 00:22:55,333
clued people and that this was

821
00:22:52,133 --> 00:22:55,700
coming. So what is the lesson

822
00:22:52,833 --> 00:22:57,800
we need to learn? Mister Acres

823
00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:58,500
from that?

824
00:22:55,700 --> 00:23:00,600
>> Well, the lessons we've

825
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:04,366
learned is that we need to

826
00:22:58,500 --> 00:23:05,066
approach school shooting as a

827
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,700
community issue. Number one,

828
00:23:04,366 --> 00:23:09,100
we receive issues that are out

829
00:23:05,066 --> 00:23:09,700
in the community when the

830
00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:10,366
coming through the front doors

831
00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:11,033
of the school. So after

832
00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:11,700
shooting is going on in the

833
00:23:10,366 --> 00:23:13,733
community, there's possibly

834
00:23:11,033 --> 00:23:16,333
going to be shooting. That's

835
00:23:11,700 --> 00:23:19,033
going to happen in a school

836
00:23:13,733 --> 00:23:20,433
drugs outside drugs inside.

837
00:23:16,333 --> 00:23:21,100
You get the idea what I'm

838
00:23:19,033 --> 00:23:21,733
saying So if you this is a

839
00:23:20,433 --> 00:23:23,766
golden opportunity for the

840
00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:26,366
communities to really bond

841
00:23:21,733 --> 00:23:27,000
together and talking to

842
00:23:23,766 --> 00:23:29,266
parents. I'm talking the faith

843
00:23:26,366 --> 00:23:32,266
community. I'm talking the

844
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:33,366
private sector, people, the

845
00:23:29,266 --> 00:23:36,300
businesses, whatever, and come

846
00:23:32,266 --> 00:23:37,400
up with a way to publicize how

847
00:23:33,366 --> 00:23:38,100
they can get information to us.

848
00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:38,800
We have a statewide tip line is

849
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,133
called a stop. Tip line is in

850
00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:44,300
partnership with the Kentucky

851
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:45,000
Office of Homeland Security

852
00:23:41,133 --> 00:23:47,900
and Kentucky Center for School

853
00:23:44,300 --> 00:23:48,566
Safety. It runs 24 7. You can

854
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,300
text messaging can cure COVID.

855
00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:51,366
You email or you can make a

856
00:23:48,566 --> 00:23:53,666
phone call and there's somebody

857
00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:55,700
there. 24 7 and will receive

858
00:23:51,366 --> 00:23:58,433
the call. So if something's

859
00:23:53,666 --> 00:23:59,133
being lake down, here's an

860
00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:59,766
obvious way to do this. Now

861
00:23:58,433 --> 00:24:03,133
we run into a public relations

862
00:23:59,133 --> 00:24:04,000
issue with this with this

863
00:23:59,766 --> 00:24:04,700
concerns. Not enough. People

864
00:24:03,133 --> 00:24:06,966
know that number. And so we're

865
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,633
thinking about possibly having

866
00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:08,666
a major campaign with community

867
00:24:06,966 --> 00:24:10,300
folks saying, OK, let's get

868
00:24:07,633 --> 00:24:15,300
these numbers out, maybe and

869
00:24:08,666 --> 00:24:16,233
restaurants with these little

870
00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:16,933
messages that you have on your

871
00:24:15,300 --> 00:24:17,666
tables. Maybe a poster

872
00:24:16,233 --> 00:24:18,366
Kroger's, maybe something over

873
00:24:16,933 --> 00:24:21,233
watering something over here at

874
00:24:17,666 --> 00:24:22,066
the Civic Center. Whatever the

875
00:24:18,366 --> 00:24:22,733
case may be saturate the market

876
00:24:21,233 --> 00:24:24,033
with that tip line, that would

877
00:24:22,066 --> 00:24:26,100
be one possible piece to the

878
00:24:22,733 --> 00:24:28,000
puzzle of getting that

879
00:24:24,033 --> 00:24:30,066
information to us. But we need

880
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:30,766
to have people to step forward

881
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,500
and let us know what you're

882
00:24:30,066 --> 00:24:33,100
hearing and especially social

883
00:24:30,766 --> 00:24:35,166
media. Excuse me. I mean, this

884
00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:37,100
is by which a lot of the

885
00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:38,966
communication is.

886
00:24:35,166 --> 00:24:39,633
>> Is is learned and

887
00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:40,266
transmitted. And so if you see

888
00:24:38,966 --> 00:24:42,800
something, say something,

889
00:24:39,633 --> 00:24:43,700
Mister Wilcox, right? And

890
00:24:40,266 --> 00:24:44,533
there's nothing that's 2

891
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,800
smaller in consequential.

892
00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:47,533
And it doesn't mean that you're

893
00:24:44,533 --> 00:24:48,266
indicting someone. You're just

894
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,666
alerting authorities that, hey,

895
00:24:47,533 --> 00:24:51,366
you might want to keep our eyes

896
00:24:48,266 --> 00:24:51,966
on this. Is that the correct

897
00:24:50,666 --> 00:24:54,566
way to look at the absolutely.

898
00:24:51,366 --> 00:24:55,600
And you know, we saw it

899
00:24:51,966 --> 00:24:58,566
whenever we have a tragedy like

900
00:24:54,566 --> 00:24:59,300
this. We see an uptick of that.

901
00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:00,066
>> You know, when I when I

902
00:24:58,566 --> 00:25:02,300
start as right after Columbine,

903
00:24:59,300 --> 00:25:02,933
we've got a lot of information

904
00:25:00,066 --> 00:25:03,666
from the community. We've got

905
00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:04,300
information from parents.

906
00:25:02,933 --> 00:25:05,400
We've got information of what I

907
00:25:03,666 --> 00:25:09,333
feel like, you know, this

908
00:25:04,300 --> 00:25:10,066
students acting this way or

909
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:12,400
that way. And then it suddenly

910
00:25:09,333 --> 00:25:13,100
Wayne's off, you know, and that

911
00:25:10,066 --> 00:25:14,433
same thing happen with more.

912
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,100
So we were very, very focused

913
00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:15,800
on school safety. And then it

914
00:25:14,433 --> 00:25:17,333
starts to wane off. And this

915
00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:18,900
is one of the things and this

916
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,733
is why it's so important.

917
00:25:17,333 --> 00:25:22,900
Our offices in the school's

918
00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:23,533
yearly or more. It's a constant

919
00:25:20,733 --> 00:25:24,100
reminder that this has to be

920
00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:24,766
done. This has to get out.

921
00:25:23,533 --> 00:25:28,100
So yeah, I could agree

922
00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:29,600
completely with you on that.

923
00:25:24,766 --> 00:25:30,233
But I if I could have listened

924
00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:30,866
to that. I get the messages

925
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,700
that are sent to the home

926
00:25:30,233 --> 00:25:35,700
office, Homeland Security.

927
00:25:30,866 --> 00:25:36,833
So I get to see what's been

928
00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:37,800
coming in. I'll say probably

929
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:40,300
60% of those deal with mental

930
00:25:36,833 --> 00:25:42,400
health issues. Kids considering

931
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:43,566
suicide kids who are friends of

932
00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:44,000
friends that are cutting one

933
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:47,733
things like this, that it's

934
00:25:43,566 --> 00:25:48,466
something

935
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:51,366
>> we really need to reach out

936
00:25:47,733 --> 00:25:52,100
and get to these kids Would you

937
00:25:48,466 --> 00:25:52,833
call when a police officer goes

938
00:25:51,366 --> 00:25:56,700
into a House wellness check.

939
00:25:52,100 --> 00:25:57,300
We're at the wellness And to be

940
00:25:52,833 --> 00:25:58,066
sure that these kids are OK,

941
00:25:56,700 --> 00:25:58,800
cause a lot of the kids.

942
00:25:57,300 --> 00:26:02,733
I'm not being supervised in

943
00:25:58,066 --> 00:26:04,566
their And so we need to be able

944
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:05,433
to have somebody to come out

945
00:26:02,733 --> 00:26:07,300
there and say, are you OK?

946
00:26:04,566 --> 00:26:08,133
but so it's just not about

947
00:26:05,433 --> 00:26:09,233
school shooters. It's about

948
00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:10,066
mental health issues as well.

949
00:26:08,133 --> 00:26:11,733
Yeah.

950
00:26:09,233 --> 00:26:14,700
>> And everybody keeping our

951
00:26:10,066 --> 00:26:15,766
eyes being vigilant. If you see

952
00:26:11,733 --> 00:26:16,733
something or hear something,

953
00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:18,700
say something right.

954
00:26:15,766 --> 00:26:19,366
>> If I could, there is just so

955
00:26:16,733 --> 00:26:19,966
much about relationship that

956
00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:22,000
there's anything to be taken

957
00:26:19,366 --> 00:26:22,900
from its relationships,

958
00:26:19,966 --> 00:26:23,600
relationship with the community

959
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,266
relationship with law

960
00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:25,933
enforcement. You know, we have

961
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,500
a program here. The state of

962
00:26:24,266 --> 00:26:29,700
Kentucky called handle with

963
00:26:25,933 --> 00:26:31,866
care and we're one the only

964
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:35,000
states in the country that is

965
00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:35,700
statewide. And that's a system

966
00:26:31,866 --> 00:26:37,100
set up. So an officer goes into

967
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,433
a home saying on Tuesday night

968
00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:40,866
and there's been some type of

969
00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:43,866
traumatic event with a student.

970
00:26:38,433 --> 00:26:45,300
They can relays the information

971
00:26:40,866 --> 00:26:46,033
to the schools, the e-mail and

972
00:26:43,866 --> 00:26:48,400
all it is is to say handle with

973
00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:49,333
care for this child. And I have

974
00:26:46,033 --> 00:26:50,366
a wife. It's a counselor at

975
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:53,366
elementary school. They get a

976
00:26:49,333 --> 00:26:54,066
heads up the next day that a

977
00:26:50,366 --> 00:26:54,766
child's come in that may have

978
00:26:53,366 --> 00:26:57,000
had some trauma. That's where

979
00:26:54,066 --> 00:26:58,033
you start. And you know, that

980
00:26:54,766 --> 00:27:00,100
doesn't say anything about what

981
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,966
happened. But, you know, when

982
00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:01,666
my wife or someone else goes in

983
00:27:00,100 --> 00:27:04,200
to start to get him some love,

984
00:27:00,966 --> 00:27:06,066
that's when it all comes out.

985
00:27:01,666 --> 00:27:07,900
And if we can help people that

986
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,966
way, that summer started so

987
00:27:06,066 --> 00:27:09,933
simple. So simplistic that just

988
00:27:07,900 --> 00:27:11,800
having those relationships is

989
00:27:08,966 --> 00:27:13,033
phenomenal.

990
00:27:09,933 --> 00:27:13,900
>> Do you think they'll be an

991
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,633
ask a final question that you

992
00:27:13,033 --> 00:27:17,700
will present to the General

993
00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:19,366
Assembly when they reconvene

994
00:27:15,633 --> 00:27:20,100
in 2023 as a result of what

995
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:22,833
we've seen and you've all day

996
00:27:19,366 --> 00:27:24,733
and God forbid there be another

997
00:27:20,100 --> 00:27:25,433
incident at the beginning of

998
00:27:22,833 --> 00:27:26,133
the school year. This fall.

999
00:27:24,733 --> 00:27:29,666
>> Well, we'll look at lessons

1000
00:27:25,433 --> 00:27:30,300
learned number one and see if

1001
00:27:26,133 --> 00:27:32,866
we have any areas that we need

1002
00:27:29,666 --> 00:27:33,500
to tweak. But I been and I

1003
00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:36,133
share the same thought that we

1004
00:27:32,866 --> 00:27:36,766
want people to move from.

1005
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:39,333
Just been compliant to the law

1006
00:27:36,133 --> 00:27:40,200
to having that commitment.

1007
00:27:36,766 --> 00:27:40,833
To these laws into these

1008
00:27:39,333 --> 00:27:43,166
regulations into these before

1009
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,966
to be a way of life, so to

1010
00:27:40,833 --> 00:27:44,633
speak in the schools where they

1011
00:27:43,166 --> 00:27:47,566
have to think twice about, you

1012
00:27:43,966 --> 00:27:48,300
know, what we're doing with

1013
00:27:44,633 --> 00:27:48,966
situational awareness where

1014
00:27:47,566 --> 00:27:49,633
we're worried about who's going

1015
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:50,333
to come in through the front

1016
00:27:48,966 --> 00:27:52,300
door. We know it's going to

1017
00:27:49,633 --> 00:27:53,033
be checked. We know the

1018
00:27:50,333 --> 00:27:55,966
exterior doors going to be

1019
00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:57,000
locked. So if we can move from,

1020
00:27:53,033 --> 00:27:58,833
they just compliance Checkoff

1021
00:27:55,966 --> 00:27:59,533
list from his shop to all of

1022
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,833
our educators saying this is

1023
00:27:58,833 --> 00:28:02,733
the way life is going to be in

1024
00:27:59,533 --> 00:28:03,033
our school forever, I think

1025
00:28:01,833 --> 00:28:03,733
will be a lot better down the

1026
00:28:02,733 --> 00:28:04,400
road.

1027
00:28:03,033 --> 00:28:07,533
>> Then within what we've seen

1028
00:28:03,733 --> 00:28:08,633
in 3 years of doing this is

1029
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:10,633
that you have a lot of school

1030
00:28:07,533 --> 00:28:11,400
systems that they took it to

1031
00:28:08,633 --> 00:28:12,166
heart immediately. And we going

1032
00:28:10,633 --> 00:28:15,100
to do our compliance checks.

1033
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,766
It's very, very easy because

1034
00:28:12,166 --> 00:28:16,433
it's a way of life. Like you

1035
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:17,166
said, it's a commitment and

1036
00:28:15,766 --> 00:28:20,233
we're getting to that point.

1037
00:28:16,433 --> 00:28:21,200
We've done it only for 3 years.

1038
00:28:17,166 --> 00:28:23,266
Sounds like a long time.

1039
00:28:20,233 --> 00:28:23,933
It's really not especially

1040
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,600
throw in a pandemic in the

1041
00:28:23,266 --> 00:28:27,133
middle But we're getting to

1042
00:28:23,933 --> 00:28:28,033
that point where people are

1043
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,666
used to getting checked in.

1044
00:28:27,133 --> 00:28:30,333
We have a lot of pushback from

1045
00:28:28,033 --> 00:28:33,600
people. Why can't I come into

1046
00:28:29,666 --> 00:28:34,566
my school or was this person

1047
00:28:30,333 --> 00:28:35,266
check-in, mayor? I know that

1048
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,533
person. Why let them in and it

1049
00:28:34,566 --> 00:28:38,266
now that it's coming to pass.

1050
00:28:35,266 --> 00:28:38,966
And of course, now we have this

1051
00:28:37,533 --> 00:28:41,300
issue that's just come up where

1052
00:28:38,266 --> 00:28:42,000
people are saying we know why

1053
00:28:38,966 --> 00:28:42,666
we do this now and it needs

1054
00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:44,800
to be this way.

1055
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,433
>> Well, thank you for that.

1056
00:28:42,666 --> 00:28:47,466
And thank you for all the work

1057
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,533
that you do to help keep

1058
00:28:45,433 --> 00:28:51,200
Kentucky school safe or safer.

1059
00:28:47,466 --> 00:28:51,800
We appreciate it. Thank you.

1060
00:28:48,533 --> 00:28:52,533
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1061
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,800
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1062
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:57,700
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1063
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