WEBVTT 00:08.333 --> 00:12.734 align:start >> FROM SEXUALLY CHARGED DANCE 00:10.400 --> 00:14.433 align:start >> FROM SEXUALLY CHARGED DANCE MOVES ON DISPLAY IN MUSIC VIDEO 00:12.734 --> 00:15.266 align:start MOVES ON DISPLAY IN MUSIC VIDEO AND ENTERTAINMENT TO PHYSIQUE OF 00:14.433 --> 00:16.800 align:start AND ENTERTAINMENT TO PHYSIQUE OF TOY DOLLS AND PHOTO SHOPPED 00:15.266 --> 00:23.133 align:start TOY DOLLS AND PHOTO SHOPPED MAGAZINE COVERS. 00:16.800 --> 00:23.900 align:start MAGAZINE COVERS. WHAT DOES ALL THERE SAY ABOUT 00:23.133 --> 00:25.500 align:start WHAT DOES ALL THERE SAY ABOUT THE MEDIA MESS. 00:23.900 --> 00:25.767 align:start THE MEDIA MESS. WOMEN AND GENDER STUDIES JOIN ME 00:25.500 --> 00:25.767 align:start THE MEDIA MESS. TO WRAP ABOUT IT NOW ON 00:25.767 --> 00:25.767 align:start THE MEDIA MESS. 00:36.330 --> 00:37.667 align:start THE MEDIA MESS. THANK YOU FOR JOINING ME FROM 00:36.867 --> 00:38.233 align:start THANK YOU FOR JOINING ME FROM OUR STUDIOS IN DOWNTOWN 00:37.667 --> 00:40.800 align:start OUR STUDIOS IN DOWNTOWN LOUISVILLE TODAY. 00:38.233 --> 00:42.767 align:start LOUISVILLE TODAY. I'M RENEE SHAW. 00:40.800 --> 00:44.166 align:start I'M RENEE SHAW. AND I'VE BEEN INTERESTED IN 00:42.767 --> 00:48.330 align:start AND I'VE BEEN INTERESTED IN EXPLORING POP CULTURE'S 00:44.166 --> 00:49.266 align:start EXPLORING POP CULTURE'S INFLUENCE ON BODY IMAGE FOR SOME 00:48.330 --> 00:52.000 align:start INFLUENCE ON BODY IMAGE FOR SOME TIME AND THE MILEY CYRUS TWERK A 00:49.266 --> 00:53.200 align:start TIME AND THE MILEY CYRUS TWERK A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO PROMPTED 00:52.000 --> 00:56.900 align:start COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO PROMPTED MED TO SEEK OUT AN 00:53.200 --> 00:58.567 align:start MED TO SEEK OUT AN INTERINTELLIGENT DIALOGUE ABOUT 00:56.900 --> 01:01.934 align:start INTERINTELLIGENT DIALOGUE ABOUT TWO TWERKING HAS BEEN 00:58.567 --> 01:03.166 align:start TWO TWERKING HAS BEEN MISAPPROPRIATED IN AMERICAN POP 01:01.934 --> 01:04.367 align:start MISAPPROPRIATED IN AMERICAN POP CHURCH AS NAUGHTY GIRATIONS 01:03.166 --> 01:06.200 align:start CHURCH AS NAUGHTY GIRATIONS PREVALENT IN ANY STAGE 01:04.367 --> 01:07.300 align:start PREVALENT IN ANY STAGE PERFORMANCE. 01:06.200 --> 01:09.200 align:start PERFORMANCE. DOES THAT REFLECT SOMETHING 01:07.300 --> 01:09.900 align:start DOES THAT REFLECT SOMETHING SINNISTER ABOUT SOCIETY'S 01:09.200 --> 01:11.967 align:start SINNISTER ABOUT SOCIETY'S PERCEPTION OF WOMEN OF COLOR OR 01:09.900 --> 01:12.934 align:start PERCEPTION OF WOMEN OF COLOR OR ANY WOMEN? 01:11.967 --> 01:14.567 align:start ANY WOMEN? TODAY WE'LL UNPACK ALL OF THE 01:12.934 --> 01:17.934 align:start TODAY WE'LL UNPACK ALL OF THE RACIAL DYNAMICS PRESENTED IN 01:14.567 --> 01:19.300 align:start RACIAL DYNAMICS PRESENTED IN THAT BUT ALSO THE OTHER NEW 01:17.934 --> 01:20.900 align:start THAT BUT ALSO THE OTHER NEW ANSWERED AND OVERT DEPICTIONS OF 01:19.300 --> 01:22.367 align:start ANSWERED AND OVERT DEPICTIONS OF UNREALISTIC IMAGES THAT DISRUPT 01:20.900 --> 01:24.767 align:start UNREALISTIC IMAGES THAT DISRUPT THE SELF-ESTEEM OF YOUNG GIRLS 01:22.367 --> 01:26.233 align:start THE SELF-ESTEEM OF YOUNG GIRLS AND YOUNG WOMEN. 01:24.767 --> 01:30.367 align:start AND YOUNG WOMEN. I'VE INVITED TWO PROFESSORS FROM 01:26.233 --> 01:32.333 align:start I'VE INVITED TWO PROFESSORS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE WHO 01:30.367 --> 01:33.100 align:start THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE WHO TAKE POPULAR MEDIA, Dr. DRAWN 01:32.333 --> 01:34.600 align:start TAKE POPULAR MEDIA, Dr. DRAWN HEINECKEN IS ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR 01:33.100 --> 01:36.667 align:start HEINECKEN IS ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR OF WOMEN AND GENDER STUDIES AND 01:34.600 --> 01:37.967 align:start OF WOMEN AND GENDER STUDIES AND AUTHOR OF SEVERAL ARTICLES AND 01:36.667 --> 01:40.100 align:start AUTHOR OF SEVERAL ARTICLES AND BOOKS ABOUT THESE ISSUES. 01:37.967 --> 01:40.834 align:start BOOKS ABOUT THESE ISSUES. AND Dr. KAILA STOREY IS AN 01:40.100 --> 01:41.567 align:start AND Dr. KAILA STOREY IS AN ASSISTANT PROFESSOR WOMEN AND 01:40.834 --> 01:44.000 align:start ASSISTANT PROFESSOR WOMEN AND GENDER STUDIES WITH THE JOINT 01:41.567 --> 01:45.734 align:start GENDER STUDIES WITH THE JOINT APPOINT INNOCENT THE DEPARTMENT 01:44.000 --> 01:47.660 align:start APPOINT INNOCENT THE DEPARTMENT OF PAN AFRICAN STUDIES WHO 01:45.734 --> 01:48.367 align:start OF PAN AFRICAN STUDIES WHO CURRENT RESEARCH EXPLORES THE 01:47.660 --> 01:50.367 align:start CURRENT RESEARCH EXPLORES THE INTERSECTIONS OF RACE, CLASS, 01:48.367 --> 01:50.633 align:start INTERSECTIONS OF RACE, CLASS, SEXUALITY AND IDENTITY 01:50.367 --> 01:51.934 align:start SEXUALITY AND IDENTITY PERFORMANCE MASS MEDIA AND BODY 01:50.633 --> 01:54.660 align:start PERFORMANCE MASS MEDIA AND BODY POLITICS. 01:51.934 --> 01:56.567 align:start POLITICS. SO IT SEEMS TO ME I HAVE JUST 01:54.660 --> 01:57.200 align:start SO IT SEEMS TO ME I HAVE JUST THE TWO WOMEN THAT I NEED TO 01:56.567 --> 01:59.266 align:start THE TWO WOMEN THAT I NEED TO HAVE THIS VERY HOPEFULLY VERY 01:57.200 --> 01:59.433 align:start HAVE THIS VERY HOPEFULLY VERY THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION ABOUT 01:59.266 --> 02:01.333 align:start THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE ISSUES ISSUE THAT I'VE JUST LAID 01:59.433 --> 02:02.700 align:start THESE ISSUES ISSUE THAT I'VE JUST LAID OUT. 02:01.333 --> 02:04.100 align:start OUT. AND I DON'T WANT TO REVISIT AND 02:02.700 --> 02:04.300 align:start AND I DON'T WANT TO REVISIT AND REMIT GATE MILEY CYRUS. 02:04.100 --> 02:06.333 align:start REMIT GATE MILEY CYRUS. WE'VE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT, 02:04.300 --> 02:09.333 align:start WE'VE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT, RIGHT. 02:06.333 --> 02:10.767 align:start RIGHT. BUT I THINK THAT THE THINGS THAT 02:09.333 --> 02:12.100 align:start BUT I THINK THAT THE THINGS THAT WE STILL SEE IN MEDIA, AND POP 02:10.767 --> 02:14.330 align:start WE STILL SEE IN MEDIA, AND POP CULTURE IMAGES ARE STILL THOSE 02:12.100 --> 02:16.433 align:start CULTURE IMAGES ARE STILL THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, RIGHT. 02:14.330 --> 02:16.700 align:start TYPE OF THINGS, RIGHT. IT IS THE TWERKING, THE DANCING 02:16.433 --> 02:18.800 align:start IT IS THE TWERKING, THE DANCING AND THE PHOTO SHOPPED IMAGES ON 02:16.700 --> 02:21.767 align:start AND THE PHOTO SHOPPED IMAGES ON MAGAZINES. 02:18.800 --> 02:24.166 align:start MAGAZINES. SO WHEN YOU THINK OF ALL THAT 02:21.767 --> 02:26.533 align:start SO WHEN YOU THINK OF ALL THAT THE MEDIA LANDSCAPE PRESENTS OF 02:24.166 --> 02:28.166 align:start THE MEDIA LANDSCAPE PRESENTS OF WOMEN, ARE YOU SATISFIED, 02:26.533 --> 02:28.700 align:start WOMEN, ARE YOU SATISFIED, Dr. STORY, WITH YOU'RE SEEING SEEING 02:28.166 --> 02:29.433 align:start Dr. STORY, WITH YOU'RE SEEING SEEING WHAT WHAT WOULD YOU CHANGE ABOUT 02:28.700 --> 02:31.300 align:start WHAT WHAT WOULD YOU CHANGE ABOUT IT? 02:29.433 --> 02:32.734 align:start IT? >> OH, WOW, NO. 02:31.300 --> 02:35.767 align:start >> OH, WOW, NO. NO IN A NUTSHELL. 02:32.734 --> 02:37.567 align:start NO IN A NUTSHELL. ONE, THINK THAT I POPULAR MEDIA 02:35.767 --> 02:40.200 align:start ONE, THINK THAT I POPULAR MEDIA AND I'M SURE THAT DAWN WOULD 02:37.567 --> 02:41.667 align:start AND I'M SURE THAT DAWN WOULD AGREE WITH ME THAT POPULAR MEDIA 02:40.200 --> 02:43.500 align:start AGREE WITH ME THAT POPULAR MEDIA HAS A A WAY OF PIGEON HOLING WOMEN 02:41.667 --> 02:45.867 align:start HAS A A WAY OF PIGEON HOLING WOMEN AND IDENTITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT 02:43.500 --> 02:48.834 align:start AND IDENTITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THAT OF BODY IMAGE AND 02:45.867 --> 02:49.867 align:start COMES TO THAT OF BODY IMAGE AND THE GENDERED EXPECTATION OF WHAT 02:48.834 --> 02:52.660 align:start THE GENDERED EXPECTATION OF WHAT WOMEN ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE, 02:49.867 --> 02:54.633 align:start WOMEN ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE, TO BE CONSIDERED BEAUTIFUL AND 02:52.660 --> 02:56.667 align:start TO BE CONSIDERED BEAUTIFUL AND TO BE CONSIDERED INTELLIGENT. 02:54.633 --> 02:58.367 align:start TO BE CONSIDERED INTELLIGENT. ALL OF THESE TYPES OF THINGS, I 02:56.667 --> 02:58.767 align:start ALL OF THESE TYPES OF THINGS, I THINK, MEDIA HAS A WAY OF 02:58.367 --> 03:00.500 align:start THINK, MEDIA HAS A WAY OF CREATING WOMEN AS ONE 02:58.767 --> 03:03.734 align:start CREATING WOMEN AS ONE DIMENSIONAL. 03:00.500 --> 03:06.300 align:start DIMENSIONAL. USUALLY IT POLARIZED THEM AS 03:03.734 --> 03:09.100 align:start USUALLY IT POLARIZED THEM AS EITHER MADONNAS OR WHORES IN THE 03:06.300 --> 03:10.533 align:start EITHER MADONNAS OR WHORES IN THE SENSE OFFER THAT EITHER SEEN AS 03:09.100 --> 03:15.967 align:start SENSE OFFER THAT EITHER SEEN AS PURE, AND UNTOUCHABLE, AND 03:10.533 --> 03:18.330 align:start PURE, AND UNTOUCHABLE, AND UNATTAINABLE, OR THEY ARE SEEN 03:15.967 --> 03:19.330 align:start UNATTAINABLE, OR THEY ARE SEEN AS EXTREMELY SALACIOUS, 03:18.330 --> 03:19.266 align:start AS EXTREMELY SALACIOUS, LIBIDNOUS, SEXUALLY IRREVERENT. 03:19.330 --> 03:21.166 align:start LIBIDNOUS, SEXUALLY IRREVERENT. >> AND THERE IS NO MIDDLE 03:19.266 --> 03:23.333 align:start >> AND THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND. 03:21.166 --> 03:23.767 align:start GROUND. >> THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND AND 03:23.333 --> 03:25.233 align:start >> THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND AND NO 3 DIMENSIONALITY OF WOMEN'S 03:23.767 --> 03:28.266 align:start NO 3 DIMENSIONALITY OF WOMEN'S LIVES 03:25.233 --> 03:29.533 align:start LIVES LIVES AND WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT 03:28.266 --> 03:31.567 align:start LIVES AND WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THEMSELVES OR THEIR BODIES, IT 03:29.533 --> 03:32.400 align:start THEMSELVES OR THEIR BODIES, IT IS REALLY JUST MARKET THAT'S 03:31.567 --> 03:33.734 align:start IS REALLY JUST MARKET THAT'S BASED ON THE SEXIST ASSUMPTION 03:32.400 --> 03:35.500 align:start BASED ON THE SEXIST ASSUMPTION OF WHAT WOMEN SHOULD BE. 03:33.734 --> 03:36.533 align:start OF WHAT WOMEN SHOULD BE. >> RIGHT. 03:35.500 --> 03:38.300 align:start >> RIGHT. AND WE THINK, DAWN, OF ALL OF 03:36.533 --> 03:39.967 align:start AND WE THINK, DAWN, OF ALL OF THE GREAT STRIDES WOMEN HAVE 03:38.300 --> 03:41.233 align:start THE GREAT STRIDES WOMEN HAVE MADE AS WE CONSTANTLY HEAR, 03:39.967 --> 03:43.667 align:start MADE AS WE CONSTANTLY HEAR, WOMEN HOLD UP HALF THE SKY OR 03:41.233 --> 03:44.400 align:start WOMEN HOLD UP HALF THE SKY OR HALF THE POPULATION, MAKING 03:43.667 --> 03:46.233 align:start HALF THE POPULATION, MAKING STRIDES WHEN IT COMES TO 03:44.400 --> 03:49.467 align:start STRIDES WHEN IT COMES TO CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATION, 03:46.233 --> 03:51.100 align:start CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATION, AND POLITICS AND ACADEMIA. 03:49.467 --> 03:53.166 align:start AND POLITICS AND ACADEMIA. ALL OF THESE WAYS, WE HAVE OF 03:51.100 --> 03:54.000 align:start ALL OF THESE WAYS, WE HAVE OF SURPASSING OUR MALE COUNTERPARTS 03:53.166 --> 03:55.300 align:start SURPASSING OUR MALE COUNTERPARTS IN EDUCATIONAL DEGREE 03:54.000 --> 03:58.567 align:start IN EDUCATIONAL DEGREE ATTAINMENT, ET CETERA SO WHY IS 03:55.300 --> 03:58.867 align:start ATTAINMENT, ET CETERA SO WHY IS IT THAT WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH 03:58.567 --> 03:59.700 align:start IT THAT WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH THESE ISSUES THAT SEEM SO VERY 03:58.867 --> 04:01.533 align:start THESE ISSUES THAT SEEM SO VERY SUPERFICIAL? 03:59.700 --> 04:04.734 align:start SUPERFICIAL? >> FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO SAY 04:01.533 --> 04:05.300 align:start >> FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT YEAH, WE'VE COME A LONG 04:04.734 --> 04:08.100 align:start THAT YEAH, WE'VE COME A LONG WAY, BUT, WE'RE NOT REALLY NOT 04:05.300 --> 04:09.800 align:start WAY, BUT, WE'RE NOT REALLY NOT EQUAL YET. 04:08.100 --> 04:11.867 align:start EQUAL YET. AND I THINK THAT GETS REFLECTED 04:09.800 --> 04:14.533 align:start AND I THINK THAT GETS REFLECTED IN THE MEDIA IMAGES AND PERHAPS 04:11.867 --> 04:17.330 align:start IN THE MEDIA IMAGES AND PERHAPS MEDIA IMAGES ACTUALLY PLAY A 04:14.533 --> 04:18.700 align:start MEDIA IMAGES ACTUALLY PLAY A ROLE IN KEEPING WOMEN DOWN. 04:17.330 --> 04:22.500 align:start ROLE IN KEEPING WOMEN DOWN. FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE REALLY 04:18.700 --> 04:25.660 align:start FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE REALLY KIND OF DISTURBING AREAS IN 04:22.500 --> 04:26.333 align:start KIND OF DISTURBING AREAS IN WHICH WOMEN ARE GREATLY 04:25.660 --> 04:27.867 align:start WHICH WOMEN ARE GREATLY SEXUALIZED IS IF FEMALE ATHLETES. 04:26.333 --> 04:29.400 align:start SEXUALIZED IS IF FEMALE ATHLETES. YOU DON'T THINK OF THE ATHLETE, 04:27.867 --> 04:30.600 align:start YOU DON'T THINK OF THE ATHLETE, YOU THINK OF THEM HAVING STRONG 04:29.400 --> 04:31.967 align:start YOU THINK OF THEM HAVING STRONG BODIES THAT ARE FOR THEIR OWN 04:30.600 --> 04:34.000 align:start BODIES THAT ARE FOR THEIR OWN PLEASURE, AND FOR THEM, YOU KNOW 04:31.967 --> 04:36.166 align:start PLEASURE, AND FOR THEM, YOU KNOW TO KIND OF BE ACTIVE IN SPACE 04:34.000 --> 04:38.266 align:start TO KIND OF BE ACTIVE IN SPACE AND KIND OF TAKE CONTROL AND 04:36.166 --> 04:40.500 align:start AND KIND OF TAKE CONTROL AND YET, WE HAVE IMAGE AFTER IMAGE 04:38.266 --> 04:40.800 align:start YET, WE HAVE IMAGE AFTER IMAGE OF REALLY AMAZING FEMALE 04:40.500 --> 04:42.633 align:start OF REALLY AMAZING FEMALE ATHLETES CONSISTENTLY 04:40.800 --> 04:44.734 align:start ATHLETES CONSISTENTLY SEXUALIZED. 04:42.633 --> 04:48.600 align:start SEXUALIZED. THIS IS HOW WE SEE THEM IN THE 04:44.734 --> 04:50.700 align:start THIS IS HOW WE SEE THEM IN THE SPORTS ILLUSTRATED, AND THE ESPN 04:48.600 --> 04:52.533 align:start SPORTS ILLUSTRATED, AND THE ESPN BODY ISSUE, THIS IS THE REASON 04:50.700 --> 04:54.300 align:start BODY ISSUE, THIS IS THE REASON THAT FEMALE ATHLETES GET 04:52.533 --> 04:56.633 align:start THAT FEMALE ATHLETES GET ENDORSEMENTS WHEN THEY DO GET 04:54.300 --> 04:58.333 align:start ENDORSEMENTS WHEN THEY DO GET ENDORSEMENTS AND, A GROWING BODY 04:56.633 --> 05:00.767 align:start ENDORSEMENTS AND, A GROWING BODY OF RESEARCH IS REALLY BEGINNING 04:58.333 --> 05:03.133 align:start OF RESEARCH IS REALLY BEGINNING TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WHEN PEOPLE 05:00.767 --> 05:03.734 align:start TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WHEN PEOPLE SEE THESE SEXUALIZED IMAGES, IT 05:03.133 --> 05:11.700 align:start SEE THESE SEXUALIZED IMAGES, IT TURNS OFF THE CORE AUDIENCE OF 05:03.734 --> 05:13.467 align:start TURNS OFF THE CORE AUDIENCE OF FEMALE SPORTS WHICH WOULD BE 05:11.700 --> 05:14.633 align:start FEMALE SPORTS WHICH WOULD BE OTHER WOMEN, AND OLDER MEN AND 05:13.467 --> 05:17.500 align:start OTHER WOMEN, AND OLDER MEN AND PEOPLE DERAM VALUE THE ATHLETIC 05:14.633 --> 05:18.834 align:start PEOPLE DERAM VALUE THE ATHLETIC SKILL OF WOMEN AND THEY ARE 05:17.500 --> 05:23.660 align:start SKILL OF WOMEN AND THEY ARE VIEWED AS LESS FULL OF INTEGRITY 05:18.834 --> 05:24.166 align:start VIEWED AS LESS FULL OF INTEGRITY AS AS ATHLETES AND SPORTS ARE 05:23.660 --> 05:26.567 align:start AS AS ATHLETES AND SPORTS ARE NOT CONSIDERED AS IMPORTANT AS 05:24.166 --> 05:27.500 align:start NOT CONSIDERED AS IMPORTANT AS MALE ATHLETE AND THAT'S ONE 05:26.567 --> 05:30.633 align:start MALE ATHLETE AND THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE OF THE WAYS IN THIS THIS 05:27.500 --> 05:32.500 align:start EXAMPLE OF THE WAYS IN THIS THIS INTENSE SEXUALIZATION CAN HURT 05:30.633 --> 05:33.133 align:start INTENSE SEXUALIZATION CAN HURT WOMEN AS THEY TRY TO GO OUT INTO 05:32.500 --> 05:35.000 align:start WOMEN AS THEY TRY TO GO OUT INTO SPHERES THAT HAVE BEEN 05:33.133 --> 05:36.400 align:start SPHERES THAT HAVE BEEN TRADITIONALLY DOMINATED BY MEN 05:35.000 --> 05:38.867 align:start TRADITIONALLY DOMINATED BY MEN THAT COULD BE THE BOARD ROOM AS 05:36.400 --> 05:40.100 align:start THAT COULD BE THE BOARD ROOM AS WE IT IS HARD TO IMAGINE SITTING 05:38.867 --> 05:41.934 align:start WE IT IS HARD TO IMAGINE SITTING AROUND A BOARD ROOM, YOU KNOW, I 05:40.100 --> 05:44.633 align:start AROUND A BOARD ROOM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THERE WAS A NEWS 05:41.934 --> 05:46.767 align:start THINK THAT THERE WAS A NEWS STORY RECENTLY ABOUT THE YOUNG 05:44.633 --> 05:49.330 align:start STORY RECENTLY ABOUT THE YOUNG TEACHER WHO HAD POSED FOR 05:46.767 --> 05:50.000 align:start TEACHER WHO HAD POSED FOR PLAYBOY AND THAT CAME OUT, AND 05:49.330 --> 05:51.700 align:start PLAYBOY AND THAT CAME OUT, AND HOW CAN SHE BE DID B A SPANISH 05:50.000 --> 05:54.400 align:start HOW CAN SHE BE DID B A SPANISH TEACHER AND DO THIS BUT THERE IS 05:51.700 --> 05:56.166 align:start TEACHER AND DO THIS BUT THERE IS THAT TENSION, HOW ARE YOU TO BE 05:54.400 --> 05:59.166 align:start THAT TENSION, HOW ARE YOU TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY IF YOU HAVE 05:56.166 --> 06:01.500 align:start TAKEN SERIOUSLY IF YOU HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THIS REALM OR IF 05:59.166 --> 06:03.500 align:start PARTICIPATED IN THIS REALM OR IF THERE IS SUCH A GREAT KIND OF 06:01.500 --> 06:04.834 align:start THERE IS SUCH A GREAT KIND OF CULTURAL THRUST TO VIEW WOMEN AS 06:03.500 --> 06:05.967 align:start CULTURAL THRUST TO VIEW WOMEN AS PRIMARILY SEXUAL OBJECTS. 06:04.834 --> 06:07.900 align:start PRIMARILY SEXUAL OBJECTS. >> BUT DOES NOT FEMINISM AND 06:05.967 --> 06:10.100 align:start >> BUT DOES NOT FEMINISM AND CORRECT ME ON THE DEFINITION, 06:07.900 --> 06:14.834 align:start CORRECT ME ON THE DEFINITION, BUT DOES NOT FEMINISM ALSO GIVE 06:10.100 --> 06:16.266 align:start BUT DOES NOT FEMINISM ALSO GIVE YOU THE POWER TO DECIDE HOW YOU 06:14.834 --> 06:17.700 align:start YOU THE POWER TO DECIDE HOW YOU WANT TO EXERCISE YOUR EXPRESSION 06:16.266 --> 06:18.333 align:start WANT TO EXERCISE YOUR EXPRESSION SO IF YOU WANT TO BE HYPER 06:17.700 --> 06:22.330 align:start SO IF YOU WANT TO BE HYPER SEXUAL THAT'S YOUR CHOICE AND 06:18.333 --> 06:23.200 align:start SEXUAL THAT'S YOUR CHOICE AND FEMINISTS SHOULD SUPPORT THAT 06:22.330 --> 06:24.166 align:start FEMINISTS SHOULD SUPPORT THAT BUT IF YOU WANT TO BE DEMUIR AND 06:23.200 --> 06:24.400 align:start BUT IF YOU WANT TO BE DEMUIR AND CATER TO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF 06:24.166 --> 06:25.233 align:start CATER TO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF AESTHETIC THAT SHOULD BE YOUR 06:24.400 --> 06:26.367 align:start AESTHETIC THAT SHOULD BE YOUR CHOICE. 06:25.233 --> 06:27.934 align:start CHOICE. >> MOST CERTAINLY. 06:26.367 --> 06:31.000 align:start >> MOST CERTAINLY. I MEAN, I AGREE. 06:27.934 --> 06:32.333 align:start I MEAN, I AGREE. I THINK THAT THE PROBLEM WITH IT 06:31.000 --> 06:32.533 align:start I THINK THAT THE PROBLEM WITH IT IS THAT, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF 06:32.333 --> 06:35.000 align:start IS THAT, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FEMINIST SPACE WITHIN POPULAR 06:32.533 --> 06:36.934 align:start FEMINIST SPACE WITHIN POPULAR MEDIA. 06:35.000 --> 06:37.934 align:start MEDIA. I THINK THAT WE ARE STARTING TO. 06:36.934 --> 06:38.333 align:start I THINK THAT WE ARE STARTING TO. I KNOW THAT LIKE DOVE IS TRYING 06:37.934 --> 06:40.700 align:start I KNOW THAT LIKE DOVE IS TRYING TO HAVE THEIR. 06:38.333 --> 06:42.333 align:start TO HAVE THEIR. >> RIGHT. 06:40.700 --> 06:43.133 align:start >> RIGHT. >> COMMERCIALS AROUND IDEAS OF 06:42.333 --> 06:45.867 align:start >> COMMERCIALS AROUND IDEAS OF REAL BEAUTY AND THOSE TYPES OF 06:43.133 --> 06:48.433 align:start REAL BEAUTY AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 06:45.867 --> 06:51.767 align:start THINGS. BUT, FOR THE MOST PART, I THINK 06:48.433 --> 06:53.734 align:start BUT, FOR THE MOST PART, I THINK THAT WHEN WE HAVE IDEAS OF 06:51.767 --> 06:59.233 align:start THAT WHEN WE HAVE IDEAS OF GENDER, AND IDEAS OF SOCIALIZED, 06:53.734 --> 06:59.867 align:start GENDER, AND IDEAS OF SOCIALIZED, YOU KNOW, GENDER ESPECIALLY WHEN 06:59.233 --> 07:03.133 align:start YOU KNOW, GENDER ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO WOMEN, WELL, 06:59.867 --> 07:05.133 align:start IT COMES TO WOMEN, WELL, SOCIALIZED EXPECTATION WHEN IT 07:03.133 --> 07:06.200 align:start SOCIALIZED EXPECTATION WHEN IT COMES TO WOMEN, WE HAVE THIS 07:05.133 --> 07:07.533 align:start COMES TO WOMEN, WE HAVE THIS IDEA THAT IT IS ONLY, OH, MY 07:06.200 --> 07:08.333 align:start IDEA THAT IT IS ONLY, OH, MY GOD, I'M SILLY. 07:07.533 --> 07:08.834 align:start GOD, I'M SILLY. OKAY. 07:08.333 --> 07:09.300 align:start OKAY. LET ME THINK ABOUT WHAT I'M 07:08.834 --> 07:12.767 align:start LET ME THINK ABOUT WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY. 07:09.300 --> 07:14.400 align:start GOING TO SAY. >> RIGHT. 07:12.767 --> 07:16.233 align:start >> RIGHT. >> WHEN IT COMES TO THE CULTURAL 07:14.400 --> 07:17.266 align:start >> WHEN IT COMES TO THE CULTURAL VO COUPLE WHICH IS MASS MEDIA, 07:16.233 --> 07:19.533 align:start VO COUPLE WHICH IS MASS MEDIA, WHICH IS ABOUT CREATING IDENTITY 07:17.266 --> 07:21.700 align:start WHICH IS ABOUT CREATING IDENTITY AND WORKABLE AND MORE 07:19.533 --> 07:23.233 align:start AND WORKABLE AND MORE UNDERSTANDABLE PARTS, WHAT MEDIA 07:21.700 --> 07:23.967 align:start UNDERSTANDABLE PARTS, WHAT MEDIA TRIES TO DO IS TO PLAYOFF OF 07:23.233 --> 07:25.800 align:start TRIES TO DO IS TO PLAYOFF OF PEOPLE'S SOCIALIZED EXPECTATIONS 07:23.967 --> 07:27.660 align:start PEOPLE'S SOCIALIZED EXPECTATIONS OF GENDER. 07:25.800 --> 07:28.800 align:start OF GENDER. AND PEOPLE'S SOCIALIZED 07:27.660 --> 07:30.166 align:start AND PEOPLE'S SOCIALIZED EXPECTATION OF GENDER DON'T 07:28.800 --> 07:32.667 align:start EXPECTATION OF GENDER DON'T INCLUDE THIS KIND OF FEMINIST 07:30.166 --> 07:33.600 align:start INCLUDE THIS KIND OF FEMINIST ANALYSIS AND/OR FEMINIST LENS 07:32.667 --> 07:35.166 align:start ANALYSIS AND/OR FEMINIST LENS FOR THE MOST PART SO WHATEVER WE 07:33.600 --> 07:37.934 align:start FOR THE MOST PART SO WHATEVER WE UNDERSTAND WOMEN QUOTE UNQUOTE 07:35.166 --> 07:40.266 align:start UNDERSTAND WOMEN QUOTE UNQUOTE TO BE IN OUR FAMILIES AND OUR 07:37.934 --> 07:41.266 align:start TO BE IN OUR FAMILIES AND OUR CHURCHES AND THOSE INSTITUTIONS, 07:40.266 --> 07:41.533 align:start CHURCHES AND THOSE INSTITUTIONS, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO SEE 07:41.266 --> 07:43.433 align:start THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO SEE REPLICATED BACK TO US. 07:41.533 --> 07:44.333 align:start REPLICATED BACK TO US. >> RIGHT. 07:43.433 --> 07:45.500 align:start >> RIGHT. >> WE WANT THE VALUES QUOTE 07:44.333 --> 07:47.834 align:start >> WE WANT THE VALUES QUOTE UNQUOTE AND MORALS AND 07:45.500 --> 07:48.967 align:start UNQUOTE AND MORALS AND UNDERSTANDINGS OF WHAT WOMEN 07:47.834 --> 07:52.233 align:start UNDERSTANDINGS OF WHAT WOMEN MEAN TO BE REFLECTED BACK AND A 07:48.967 --> 07:53.834 align:start MEAN TO BE REFLECTED BACK AND A LOT OF TIMES THAT DOESN'T 07:52.233 --> 07:56.000 align:start LOT OF TIMES THAT DOESN'T REFLECT A FEMINIST ANALYSIS, 07:53.834 --> 07:57.800 align:start REFLECT A FEMINIST ANALYSIS, ALTHOUGH, YOU HAVE A LOT OF 07:56.000 --> 07:58.400 align:start ALTHOUGH, YOU HAVE A LOT OF FEMINIST BLOGGERS NOW LIKE 07:57.800 --> 08:04.567 align:start FEMINIST BLOGGERS NOW LIKE HUFFINGTON POST, THE FEMINIST 07:58.400 --> 08:05.166 align:start HUFFINGTON POST, THE FEMINIST COLLECTIVE, FOR INSTANCE, YOU 08:04.567 --> 08:07.166 align:start COLLECTIVE, FOR INSTANCE, YOU HAVE A LOT OF YOUNG FEMINIST 08:05.166 --> 08:07.400 align:start HAVE A LOT OF YOUNG FEMINIST ACTIVISTS ONLINE. 08:07.166 --> 08:09.567 align:start ACTIVISTS ONLINE. AND IN CYBERSPACE DEBATING THESE 08:07.400 --> 08:10.133 align:start AND IN CYBERSPACE DEBATING THESE ISSUES. 08:09.567 --> 08:11.400 align:start ISSUES. >> BUT THEY ARE NOT ON MAIN 08:10.133 --> 08:13.667 align:start >> BUT THEY ARE NOT ON MAIN STREET MEDIA. 08:11.400 --> 08:14.633 align:start STREET MEDIA. YOU'RE NOT GOING SEE THEM ON C. 08:13.667 --> 08:15.567 align:start YOU'RE NOT GOING SEE THEM ON C. IN F OR ANY COMMERCIAL 08:14.633 --> 08:17.330 align:start IN F OR ANY COMMERCIAL MAINSTREAM BUT DOES THIS ALSO 08:15.567 --> 08:20.567 align:start MAINSTREAM BUT DOES THIS ALSO BRING INTO QUESTION OUR 08:17.330 --> 08:22.660 align:start BRING INTO QUESTION OUR DEFINITION OF MASCULINITY. 08:20.567 --> 08:24.233 align:start DEFINITION OF MASCULINITY. BECAUSE, DON'T WE ALSO HAVE VERY 08:22.660 --> 08:24.500 align:start BECAUSE, DON'T WE ALSO HAVE VERY CLEAR DEPICTION OF WHAT AN 08:24.233 --> 08:26.133 align:start CLEAR DEPICTION OF WHAT AN ATHLETE SHOULD LOOK LIKE IF HE'S 08:24.500 --> 08:27.300 align:start ATHLETE SHOULD LOOK LIKE IF HE'S MASCULINE. 08:26.133 --> 08:29.867 align:start MASCULINE. IF AN ATHLETE COMES OUT AND HE 08:27.300 --> 08:30.533 align:start IF AN ATHLETE COMES OUT AND HE PROFESSES THAT HE'S GAY, SOME 08:29.867 --> 08:31.660 align:start PROFESSES THAT HE'S GAY, SOME HOW WE ALSO THINK THAT HIS 08:30.533 --> 08:33.633 align:start HOW WE ALSO THINK THAT HIS ATHLETIC ACHIEVEMENTS SHOULD BE 08:31.660 --> 08:35.660 align:start ATHLETIC ACHIEVEMENTS SHOULD BE I DID MINUTE IRED. 08:33.633 --> 08:37.333 align:start I DID MINUTE IRED. I MEAN, SO, -- DIMINISHED. 08:35.660 --> 08:38.266 align:start I MEAN, SO, -- DIMINISHED. WELL HAVE THAT STANDARD AS WELL, 08:37.333 --> 08:39.500 align:start WELL HAVE THAT STANDARD AS WELL, DAWN SO WE HAVE THESE VERY 08:38.266 --> 08:40.633 align:start DAWN SO WE HAVE THESE VERY MASCULINE PERCEPTIONS OF ANY 08:39.500 --> 08:41.266 align:start MASCULINE PERCEPTIONS OF ANY KIND OF ATHLETE SHOULD BE, 08:40.633 --> 08:43.734 align:start KIND OF ATHLETE SHOULD BE, FEMALE OR MALE BUT PARTICULARLY 08:41.266 --> 08:45.433 align:start FEMALE OR MALE BUT PARTICULARLY FOR MALES. 08:43.734 --> 08:46.600 align:start FOR MALES. AND EVEN OUTSIDE OF THE ATHLETIC 08:45.433 --> 08:46.934 align:start AND EVEN OUTSIDE OF THE ATHLETIC REALM WE EXPECT MEN TO BE A 08:46.600 --> 08:50.166 align:start REALM WE EXPECT MEN TO BE A CERTAIN WAY AND WOMEN TO BE A 08:46.934 --> 08:51.200 align:start CERTAIN WAY AND WOMEN TO BE A CERTAIN WAY. 08:50.166 --> 08:52.934 align:start CERTAIN WAY. >> WE HAVE VERY RICH GENDER 08:51.200 --> 08:54.600 align:start >> WE HAVE VERY RICH GENDER IDEOLOGIES THAT HAVE CHANGED A 08:52.934 --> 08:55.800 align:start IDEOLOGIES THAT HAVE CHANGED A BIT, SLIGHTLY MORE EXPENSEIVEIN 08:54.600 --> 08:57.667 align:start BIT, SLIGHTLY MORE EXPENSEIVEIN THE LAST 30 OR 40 YEARS BUT 08:55.800 --> 08:59.533 align:start THE LAST 30 OR 40 YEARS BUT THERE IS STILL, YOU KNOW, 08:57.667 --> 09:02.330 align:start THERE IS STILL, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT BARBIE IS 08:59.533 --> 09:04.300 align:start EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT BARBIE IS THE KIND OF IDEAL WOMAN AND I 09:02.330 --> 09:04.600 align:start THE KIND OF IDEAL WOMAN AND I GUESS KEN IS NOT QUITE THE IDEAL 09:04.300 --> 09:05.900 align:start GUESS KEN IS NOT QUITE THE IDEAL MAN BUT GI JOE MAYBE. 09:04.600 --> 09:07.367 align:start MAN BUT GI JOE MAYBE. [ LAUGHTER ] 09:05.900 --> 09:09.333 align:start [ LAUGHTER ] BUT I THINK THAT THIS REALLY 09:07.367 --> 09:12.700 align:start BUT I THINK THAT THIS REALLY GOES TO AGAIN BACK TO THIS ISSUE 09:09.333 --> 09:13.967 align:start GOES TO AGAIN BACK TO THIS ISSUE OF CHOICE BECAUSE WHAT DOES IT 09:12.700 --> 09:17.433 align:start OF CHOICE BECAUSE WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR EXAMPLE, TO ENACT 09:13.967 --> 09:18.867 align:start MEAN FOR EXAMPLE, TO ENACT SEXUALITY WHEN THE ONLY VISIONS 09:17.433 --> 09:19.834 align:start SEXUALITY WHEN THE ONLY VISIONS THAT WE HAVE OF WHAT GENDER OR 09:18.867 --> 09:20.400 align:start THAT WE HAVE OF WHAT GENDER OR SEX MEAN COME FROM THIS PLACE 09:19.834 --> 09:23.660 align:start SEX MEAN COME FROM THIS PLACE THAT WHERE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN 09:20.400 --> 09:24.834 align:start THAT WHERE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED FOR US. 09:23.660 --> 09:25.233 align:start DETERMINED FOR US. WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT 09:24.834 --> 09:26.834 align:start WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT FEMALE SEXUALITY LOOKS LIKE, 09:25.233 --> 09:28.967 align:start FEMALE SEXUALITY LOOKS LIKE, RIGHT. 09:26.834 --> 09:30.967 align:start RIGHT. WE LIVE -- WE HAVE ALWAYS LIVED 09:28.967 --> 09:32.800 align:start WE LIVE -- WE HAVE ALWAYS LIVED IN A MALE DOMINATED CULTURE. 09:30.967 --> 09:35.333 align:start IN A MALE DOMINATED CULTURE. SO THE IMAGE OF WHAT COUNTS AS 09:32.800 --> 09:36.967 align:start SO THE IMAGE OF WHAT COUNTS AS SEX AND SEXY AND BEAUTIFUL, 09:35.333 --> 09:39.333 align:start SEX AND SEXY AND BEAUTIFUL, LARGELY HAVE BEEN DEFINED BY 09:36.967 --> 09:40.600 align:start LARGELY HAVE BEEN DEFINED BY OUTSIDE OF WOMEN AND SO WHEN 09:39.333 --> 09:42.433 align:start OUTSIDE OF WOMEN AND SO WHEN WOMEN LIKE MILEY CYRUS OR EVEN 09:40.600 --> 09:45.200 align:start WOMEN LIKE MILEY CYRUS OR EVEN MADONNA WHO CERTAINLY HAS DONE A 09:42.433 --> 09:46.233 align:start MADONNA WHO CERTAINLY HAS DONE A LOT TO KIND OF YOU KNOW, 09:45.200 --> 09:49.934 align:start LOT TO KIND OF YOU KNOW, CHALLENGE THE CONTROL OF WOMEN'S 09:46.233 --> 09:50.767 align:start CHALLENGE THE CONTROL OF WOMEN'S SEXUALITY, OVER THE YEARS, THEY 09:49.934 --> 09:51.700 align:start SEXUALITY, OVER THE YEARS, THEY ARE STILL DRAWING FROM THIS 09:50.767 --> 09:52.700 align:start ARE STILL DRAWING FROM THIS ICONOGRAPHY THAT'S BEEN 09:51.700 --> 09:54.400 align:start ICONOGRAPHY THAT'S BEEN PREVIOUSLY DEFINED SO WHAT IT 09:52.700 --> 09:56.133 align:start PREVIOUSLY DEFINED SO WHAT IT WOULD REALLY LOOK LIKE FOR WOMEN 09:54.400 --> 09:57.633 align:start WOULD REALLY LOOK LIKE FOR WOMEN TO KIND OF OWN THEIR SEXUAL ANY 09:56.133 --> 09:58.533 align:start TO KIND OF OWN THEIR SEXUAL ANY A WAY THAT WOULD BE FEMINIST. 09:57.633 --> 10:00.500 align:start A WAY THAT WOULD BE FEMINIST. I THINK IT IS REALLY HARD TO SEE 09:58.533 --> 10:02.266 align:start I THINK IT IS REALLY HARD TO SEE AND WE DON'T DEFINITELY DON'T 10:00.500 --> 10:05.533 align:start AND WE DON'T DEFINITELY DON'T SEE THAT IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA 10:02.266 --> 10:05.700 align:start SEE THAT IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA WHICH IS AGAIN OVERWHELMINGLY 10:05.533 --> 10:07.266 align:start WHICH IS AGAIN OVERWHELMINGLY CONTROLLED BY MEN STILL TO THIS 10:05.700 --> 10:09.266 align:start CONTROLLED BY MEN STILL TO THIS DAY. 10:07.266 --> 10:10.967 align:start DAY. >> I WAS THINKING I REMEMBER 10:09.266 --> 10:12.500 align:start >> I WAS THINKING I REMEMBER BACK THERE THE DAYS, IN THE 10:10.967 --> 10:12.834 align:start BACK THERE THE DAYS, IN THE 08s, MADONNA CAME OUT AND WE 10:12.500 --> 10:14.533 align:start 08s, MADONNA CAME OUT AND WE ALL THOUGHT WHAT A FORCE BE 10:12.834 --> 10:16.333 align:start ALL THOUGHT WHAT A FORCE BE RECKONED WITH. 10:14.533 --> 10:20.400 align:start RECKONED WITH. THIS IS A WOMAN THE EMBODY 10:16.333 --> 10:21.000 align:start THIS IS A WOMAN THE EMBODY MACHINE OF EVERYTHING THAT YOUNG 10:20.400 --> 10:23.400 align:start MACHINE OF EVERYTHING THAT YOUNG GIRLS THOUGHT WAS FEMINIST. 10:21.000 --> 10:27.433 align:start GIRLS THOUGHT WAS FEMINIST. POWER, DOMINATION, JUST THIS 10:23.400 --> 10:28.967 align:start POWER, DOMINATION, JUST THIS KIND OF UNBRIDLED SPIRIT ABOUT 10:27.433 --> 10:31.133 align:start KIND OF UNBRIDLED SPIRIT ABOUT HER NOT TO TAKE OFF OUR OWN PUN 10:28.967 --> 10:33.660 align:start HER NOT TO TAKE OFF OUR OWN PUN OF OUR KENTUCKY MOTTO BUT THIS 10:31.133 --> 10:35.367 align:start OF OUR KENTUCKY MOTTO BUT THIS IS A WOMAN DEFINED BOUNDARYS. 10:33.660 --> 10:36.367 align:start IS A WOMAN DEFINED BOUNDARYS. AND WE THOUGHT, THAT'S WHAT WE 10:35.367 --> 10:39.400 align:start AND WE THOUGHT, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT YOUNG GIRLS TO BE BUT SHE 10:36.367 --> 10:40.400 align:start WANT YOUNG GIRLS TO BE BUT SHE WAS OVERTLY VERY SEXUAL. 10:39.400 --> 10:41.934 align:start WAS OVERTLY VERY SEXUAL. BUT YET, WHEN WE LOOK AT MILEY 10:40.400 --> 10:43.233 align:start BUT YET, WHEN WE LOOK AT MILEY CYRUS'S PERFORMANCE AT THE VIDEO 10:41.934 --> 10:44.934 align:start CYRUS'S PERFORMANCE AT THE VIDEO MUSIC AWARDS WE DON'T 10:43.233 --> 10:46.767 align:start MUSIC AWARDS WE DON'T NECESSARILY THINK, AND A I SIGN 10:44.934 --> 10:46.967 align:start NECESSARILY THINK, AND A I SIGN TO HER THAT SAME EMPOWERMENT 10:46.767 --> 10:48.500 align:start TO HER THAT SAME EMPOWERMENT MESSAGE SO WHY THE DICHOTOMY 10:46.967 --> 10:51.800 align:start MESSAGE SO WHY THE DICHOTOMY THERE? 10:48.500 --> 10:52.000 align:start THERE? WHY WAS IT OKAY FOR MADONNA IN 10:51.800 --> 10:54.400 align:start WHY WAS IT OKAY FOR MADONNA IN THE '80S AND NOT MILEY CYRUS IN 10:52.000 --> 10:55.700 align:start THE '80S AND NOT MILEY CYRUS IN 2013? 10:54.400 --> 10:57.834 align:start 2013? >> ONE, I DO THINK THAT MADONNA 10:55.700 --> 10:59.800 align:start >> ONE, I DO THINK THAT MADONNA IS AT THE TIME WHEN SHE'S DOING 10:57.834 --> 11:02.467 align:start IS AT THE TIME WHEN SHE'S DOING LIKE A VIRGIN, ALTHOUGH SHE'S 10:59.800 --> 11:05.767 align:start LIKE A VIRGIN, ALTHOUGH SHE'S YOUNG LIKE CYRUS, HER PHYSICAL 11:02.467 --> 11:06.533 align:start YOUNG LIKE CYRUS, HER PHYSICAL BODY IS NOT AS I THINK YOUTHFUL 11:05.767 --> 11:08.266 align:start BODY IS NOT AS I THINK YOUTHFUL LOOKING AND OR AS ADOLESCENT AS 11:06.533 --> 11:12.800 align:start LOOKING AND OR AS ADOLESCENT AS CYRUS' BODY. 11:08.266 --> 11:14.300 align:start CYRUS' BODY. AND BECAUSE CYRUS HAD PREVIOUS 11:12.800 --> 11:18.133 align:start AND BECAUSE CYRUS HAD PREVIOUS WORK WITH HAS HANNA MONTANA AND VERY 11:14.300 --> 11:20.967 align:start WORK WITH HAS HANNA MONTANA AND VERY MUCH UNDERSTOOD TO BE A YOUNG 11:18.133 --> 11:22.367 align:start MUCH UNDERSTOOD TO BE A YOUNG GIRL IN POPULAR MEDIA, HER NOW 11:20.967 --> 11:25.700 align:start GIRL IN POPULAR MEDIA, HER NOW OVERT EXPRESSION OF SEXUALITY OR 11:22.367 --> 11:27.533 align:start OVERT EXPRESSION OF SEXUALITY OR DESIRE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AT 11:25.700 --> 11:29.100 align:start DESIRE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AT THE VMAs, MTV MUSIC AWARDS 11:27.533 --> 11:31.367 align:start THE VMAs, MTV MUSIC AWARDS DOESN'T, I FEEL LIKE IN MANY 11:29.100 --> 11:31.633 align:start DOESN'T, I FEEL LIKE IN MANY WAYS REFLECTS THE WAY THAT 11:31.367 --> 11:33.100 align:start WAYS REFLECTS THE WAY THAT MADONNA DID LIKE A VIRGIN FOR 11:31.633 --> 11:35.734 align:start MADONNA DID LIKE A VIRGIN FOR INSTANCE. 11:33.100 --> 11:36.400 align:start INSTANCE. I THAT I SHE'S UNDERSTOOD AS A 11:35.734 --> 11:37.934 align:start I THAT I SHE'S UNDERSTOOD AS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ARTIST. 11:36.400 --> 11:40.867 align:start DIFFERENT TYPE OF ARTIST. FOR WHATEVER REASON. 11:37.934 --> 11:42.867 align:start FOR WHATEVER REASON. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THEY -- 11:40.867 --> 11:46.200 align:start SO I DON'T THINK THAT THEY -- PEOPLE LOOK AT MADONNA AND WHAT 11:42.867 --> 11:49.700 align:start PEOPLE LOOK AT MADONNA AND WHAT SHE DID AS THIS EMPOWERED 11:46.200 --> 11:50.400 align:start SHE DID AS THIS EMPOWERED PERFORMANCE OF SEXUALITY, AND 11:49.700 --> 11:52.200 align:start PERFORMANCE OF SEXUALITY, AND THEY SEE MILEY IS DEFINITELY 11:50.400 --> 11:52.467 align:start THEY SEE MILEY IS DEFINITELY IMITATIVE, DERIVATIVE. 11:52.200 --> 11:52.800 align:start IMITATIVE, DERIVATIVE. >> AND BEING A VICTIM OF 11:52.467 --> 11:54.500 align:start >> AND BEING A VICTIM OF INDUSTRY. 11:52.800 --> 11:55.433 align:start INDUSTRY. >> DEFINITELY. 11:54.500 --> 11:56.667 align:start >> DEFINITELY. >> THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS 11:55.433 --> 11:57.867 align:start >> THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS SHE SOLD HERSELF OUT. 11:56.667 --> 11:58.867 align:start SHE SOLD HERSELF OUT. WE NEVER PUT THOSE WORDS 11:57.867 --> 11:59.767 align:start WE NEVER PUT THOSE WORDS TOGETHER WITH MOMAN DONNA. 11:58.867 --> 12:00.100 align:start TOGETHER WITH MOMAN DONNA. SHE WAS NOT FOR THE REASONS THAT 11:59.767 --> 12:02.200 align:start SHE WAS NOT FOR THE REASONS THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED. 12:00.100 --> 12:03.300 align:start YOU JUST DESCRIBED. YOU KNOW. 12:02.200 --> 12:04.330 align:start YOU KNOW. >> ALTHOUGH LET'S -- PUT SOME 12:03.300 --> 12:05.400 align:start >> ALTHOUGH LET'S -- PUT SOME HISTORICAL CONTEST HERE. 12:04.330 --> 12:08.567 align:start HISTORICAL CONTEST HERE. YOU AND I LOVED HER PROBABLY 12:05.400 --> 12:11.667 align:start YOU AND I LOVED HER PROBABLY BECAUSE WE WERE OF THAT AGE 12:08.567 --> 12:12.433 align:start BECAUSE WE WERE OF THAT AGE GROUP THAT SHE WAS MADONNA WAS 12:11.667 --> 12:12.967 align:start GROUP THAT SHE WAS MADONNA WAS REALLY ENDURED A LOT OF 12:12.433 --> 12:13.967 align:start REALLY ENDURED A LOT OF CRITICISM AT THAT TIME. 12:12.967 --> 12:14.867 align:start CRITICISM AT THAT TIME. >> SURE. 12:13.967 --> 12:16.600 align:start >> SURE. >> BUT YOU'RE RIGHT THERE IS 12:14.867 --> 12:18.600 align:start >> BUT YOU'RE RIGHT THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT THE SENSE THAT 12:16.600 --> 12:19.934 align:start SOMETHING ABOUT THE SENSE THAT SHE SEEMS TO BE VIEWED AS BEING 12:18.600 --> 12:20.300 align:start SHE SEEMS TO BE VIEWED AS BEING MORE IN CONTROL WHERE HIGH MILEY 12:19.934 --> 12:22.367 align:start MORE IN CONTROL WHERE HIGH MILEY CYRUS FOR WHATEVER REASON 12:20.300 --> 12:23.500 align:start CYRUS FOR WHATEVER REASON DOESN'T. 12:22.367 --> 12:26.000 align:start DOESN'T. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS ISSUE OF, 12:23.500 --> 12:27.800 align:start BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS ISSUE OF, MILEY I THINK IS NOT ALONE IN 12:26.000 --> 12:29.200 align:start MILEY I THINK IS NOT ALONE IN KIND OF THINKING ANYWAY THAT 12:27.800 --> 12:32.967 align:start KIND OF THINKING ANYWAY THAT THIS PERFORMANCE OF EXTREME 12:29.200 --> 12:34.333 align:start THIS PERFORMANCE OF EXTREME SEXUALITY LIKE, I'M IN CONTROL 12:32.967 --> 12:34.500 align:start SEXUALITY LIKE, I'M IN CONTROL OF IT, I THINK IN HER SONG, 12:34.333 --> 12:36.633 align:start OF IT, I THINK IN HER SONG, WHAT'S THAT SONG, I'LL SPACE ON 12:34.500 --> 12:38.600 align:start WHAT'S THAT SONG, I'LL SPACE ON IT. 12:36.633 --> 12:42.660 align:start IT. THE ONE THAT HAS THE TEDDY BEARS BEARS 12:38.600 --> 12:42.834 align:start THE ONE THAT HAS THE TEDDY BEARS BEARS THAT SHE DANCES TOO, AND SHE 12:42.660 --> 12:43.367 align:start THAT SHE DANCES TOO, AND SHE SAYS IT IS MY MOUTH, AND YOU 12:42.834 --> 12:44.300 align:start SAYS IT IS MY MOUTH, AND YOU CAN'T CONTROL ANYTHING I SAY 12:43.367 --> 12:46.433 align:start CAN'T CONTROL ANYTHING I SAY WITH IT. 12:44.300 --> 12:48.367 align:start WITH IT. YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING. 12:46.433 --> 12:50.700 align:start YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING. YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ME 12:48.367 --> 12:52.300 align:start YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ME SO SHE'S CLEARLY TRYING TO TAKE 12:50.700 --> 12:54.333 align:start SO SHE'S CLEARLY TRYING TO TAKE THIS SAME TACTIC USED BY MADONNA 12:52.300 --> 12:56.660 align:start THIS SAME TACTIC USED BY MADONNA SAYING I'M IN CONTROL OF IT. 12:54.333 --> 12:59.367 align:start SAYING I'M IN CONTROL OF IT. ROSALYN GILL IS THIS RESEARCHER 12:56.660 --> 12:59.633 align:start ROSALYN GILL IS THIS RESEARCHER IN BRITAIN WHO TALKED ABOUT THIS 12:59.367 --> 13:01.734 align:start IN BRITAIN WHO TALKED ABOUT THIS CONCEPT OF SEXUAL SUBJECTIVE 12:59.633 --> 13:02.800 align:start CONCEPT OF SEXUAL SUBJECTIVE OCCASION. 13:01.734 --> 13:06.867 align:start OCCASION. WHICH IS KIND OF IN CONTRAST TO 13:02.800 --> 13:08.300 align:start WHICH IS KIND OF IN CONTRAST TO THE OLD CONCEPT THAT WE WERE 13:06.867 --> 13:11.433 align:start THE OLD CONCEPT THAT WE WERE USED TO TALK ABOUT THE 13:08.300 --> 13:12.734 align:start USED TO TALK ABOUT THE OBJECTIVEICATION OF WOMEN. 13:11.433 --> 13:13.333 align:start OBJECTIVEICATION OF WOMEN. PLAYBOY THAT OBJECTIVIZES THEM. 13:12.734 --> 13:16.100 align:start PLAYBOY THAT OBJECTIVIZES THEM. BECAUSE THERE IS NOT THAT SENSE 13:13.333 --> 13:17.330 align:start BECAUSE THERE IS NOT THAT SENSE OF CONTROL. 13:16.100 --> 13:18.667 align:start OF CONTROL. SO WE SEE WITH MADONNA, 13:17.330 --> 13:20.500 align:start SO WE SEE WITH MADONNA, CERTAINLY, AS THIS FIGURE THAT 13:18.667 --> 13:22.367 align:start CERTAINLY, AS THIS FIGURE THAT SAYS NO, I'M THE ONE THAT'S 13:20.500 --> 13:23.633 align:start SAYS NO, I'M THE ONE THAT'S MAKING THE CHOICE TO SHOW MY 13:22.367 --> 13:26.500 align:start MAKING THE CHOICE TO SHOW MY BODY, OR TO BE PROVOCATIVE OR DO 13:23.633 --> 13:27.834 align:start BODY, OR TO BE PROVOCATIVE OR DO THIS AND I'M MAKING MONEY OFF OF 13:26.500 --> 13:30.330 align:start THIS AND I'M MAKING MONEY OFF OF AND IT PROFITING SO HA-HA I'M 13:27.834 --> 13:30.900 align:start AND IT PROFITING SO HA-HA I'M LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO BANK. 13:30.330 --> 13:32.767 align:start LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO BANK. THIS NOTION THAT YOU CAN BE, 13:30.900 --> 13:33.266 align:start THIS NOTION THAT YOU CAN BE, YOU'RE IN CONTROL OF IT. 13:32.767 --> 13:35.400 align:start YOU'RE IN CONTROL OF IT. AND IT GOES BACK TO THIS, IT IS 13:33.266 --> 13:37.433 align:start AND IT GOES BACK TO THIS, IT IS CHOICE, RIGHT. 13:35.400 --> 13:39.000 align:start CHOICE, RIGHT. IT IS MY CHOICE TO DO THIS SO 13:37.433 --> 13:41.300 align:start IT IS MY CHOICE TO DO THIS SO I'M FEMINIST BUT THAT REALLY, IT 13:39.000 --> 13:42.433 align:start I'M FEMINIST BUT THAT REALLY, IT IGNORES ALL OF THE KIND OF 13:41.300 --> 13:44.567 align:start IGNORES ALL OF THE KIND OF LARGER INSTITUTIONAL CONTEXTS, 13:42.433 --> 13:48.367 align:start LARGER INSTITUTIONAL CONTEXTS, WHICH REALLY LIMIT WOMEN'S 13:44.567 --> 13:49.700 align:start WHICH REALLY LIMIT WOMEN'S CHOICES IN SOME WAYS SO AGAIN, 13:48.367 --> 13:51.300 align:start CHOICES IN SOME WAYS SO AGAIN, THIS SEXUAL SUBJECTIVEICATION IS 13:49.700 --> 13:55.266 align:start THIS SEXUAL SUBJECTIVEICATION IS MUCH MORE AVAILABLE TO WHITE 13:51.300 --> 13:56.166 align:start MUCH MORE AVAILABLE TO WHITE WOMEN, UPPER CLASS WOMEN, WHOSE 13:55.266 --> 13:57.867 align:start WOMEN, UPPER CLASS WOMEN, WHOSE BODIES AREN'T ALREADY MARKED AS 13:56.166 --> 13:59.200 align:start BODIES AREN'T ALREADY MARKED AS DEVIANT SOME SOME WAY. 13:57.867 --> 14:05.166 align:start DEVIANT SOME SOME WAY. IT IS AVAILABLE TO WOMEN WHOSE 13:59.200 --> 14:06.533 align:start IT IS AVAILABLE TO WOMEN WHOSE BODIES ALREADY FIT THE KIND OF, 14:05.166 --> 14:08.660 align:start BODIES ALREADY FIT THE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BARBIE IDEAL. 14:06.533 --> 14:09.500 align:start YOU KNOW, BARBIE IDEAL. AND WOULDN'T YOU RATHER BE ABLE 14:08.660 --> 14:11.467 align:start AND WOULDN'T YOU RATHER BE ABLE TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS MEN 14:09.500 --> 14:12.133 align:start TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS MEN VERSUS HAVE TO USE YOUR SEX IN 14:11.467 --> 14:14.433 align:start VERSUS HAVE TO USE YOUR SEX IN ORDER TO GET MEN TO BUY YOU 14:12.133 --> 14:17.660 align:start ORDER TO GET MEN TO BUY YOU DRINK. 14:14.433 --> 14:19.800 align:start DRINK. >> I AGREE AND I THINK THAT, WE 14:17.660 --> 14:22.233 align:start >> I AGREE AND I THINK THAT, WE ARE CULTURALLY SOCIALIZED TO SEE 14:19.800 --> 14:24.867 align:start ARE CULTURALLY SOCIALIZED TO SEE BLACK AND BROWN BODIES AS 14:22.233 --> 14:29.100 align:start BLACK AND BROWN BODIES AS INHERENTLY DEVIANT AND EVEN THIS 14:24.867 --> 14:30.834 align:start INHERENTLY DEVIANT AND EVEN THIS THINGS THAT MADONNA DID IN THE 14:29.100 --> 14:32.200 align:start THINGS THAT MADONNA DID IN THE 80s WE HAD PEOPLE LIKE SHA 14:30.834 --> 14:33.533 align:start 80s WE HAD PEOPLE LIKE SHA SHAKAKAN WHO DID PUSH THE 14:32.200 --> 14:35.367 align:start SHAKAKAN WHO DID PUSH THE ENVELOPE IN TERMS OF EXPRESSION 14:33.533 --> 14:37.660 align:start ENVELOPE IN TERMS OF EXPRESSION OF SEXUALITY BUT BECAUSE THOSE 14:35.367 --> 14:38.467 align:start OF SEXUALITY BUT BECAUSE THOSE WERE BLACK PER FORMERS AND BLACK 14:37.660 --> 14:38.700 align:start WERE BLACK PER FORMERS AND BLACK FEMALE BODIES THOSE WERE SEEN AS 14:38.467 --> 14:42.900 align:start FEMALE BODIES THOSE WERE SEEN AS INDICATIVE OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN 14:38.700 --> 14:45.100 align:start INDICATIVE OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN CULTURE. 14:42.900 --> 14:47.000 align:start CULTURE. OR BLACK CULTURE, SO MILEY 14:45.100 --> 14:48.633 align:start OR BLACK CULTURE, SO MILEY CYRUS'S TWERKING FIASCO WITH 14:47.000 --> 14:49.367 align:start CYRUS'S TWERKING FIASCO WITH LETTER DANCING ON ROBIN THICKE 14:48.633 --> 14:53.500 align:start LETTER DANCING ON ROBIN THICKE WHO IS ALSO SEEN AS ONE 14:49.367 --> 14:57.567 align:start WHO IS ALSO SEEN AS ONE APPROPRIATED CULTURE TO A 14:53.500 --> 14:58.433 align:start APPROPRIATED CULTURE TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, AND THE WHOLE 14:57.567 --> 14:59.567 align:start CERTAIN DEGREE, AND THE WHOLE MARVIN GAYE FIASCO WITH THE SONG 14:58.433 --> 15:01.834 align:start MARVIN GAYE FIASCO WITH THE SONG BUT CYRUS APPROPRIATING THAT 14:59.567 --> 15:04.333 align:start BUT CYRUS APPROPRIATING THAT KIND OF MOVEMENT IS NOW, 15:01.834 --> 15:06.233 align:start KIND OF MOVEMENT IS NOW, EVERYONE IS -- SCANDALIZED AND 15:04.333 --> 15:07.834 align:start EVERYONE IS -- SCANDALIZED AND SHOCKED BECAUSE HER YOUNG, YOU 15:06.233 --> 15:09.767 align:start SHOCKED BECAUSE HER YOUNG, YOU KNOW, SEEMINGLY ADOLESCENT WHITE 15:07.834 --> 15:10.900 align:start KNOW, SEEMINGLY ADOLESCENT WHITE FEMALE BODIER IF FORMING THOSE 15:09.767 --> 15:12.467 align:start FEMALE BODIER IF FORMING THOSE KINDS OF DANCE MOVES -- 15:10.900 --> 15:13.533 align:start KINDS OF DANCE MOVES -- PERFORMING THOSE KINDS OF DANCE 15:12.467 --> 15:15.266 align:start PERFORMING THOSE KINDS OF DANCE MOVES REFLECTS TO PEOPLE SOMEHOW 15:13.533 --> 15:17.700 align:start MOVES REFLECTS TO PEOPLE SOMEHOW THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE 15:15.266 --> 15:19.533 align:start THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO BE LIKE HOW BLACK 15:17.700 --> 15:21.767 align:start TRYING TO BE LIKE HOW BLACK WOMEN ARE NATURALLY. 15:19.533 --> 15:23.667 align:start WOMEN ARE NATURALLY. >> AND THAT, YEAH, YOU'RE TRYING 15:21.767 --> 15:25.000 align:start >> AND THAT, YEAH, YOU'RE TRYING TO DANCE THE WAY IN WHICH BLACK, 15:23.667 --> 15:26.467 align:start TO DANCE THE WAY IN WHICH BLACK, WE IMAGINE AND FANTASIZE THE WAY 15:25.000 --> 15:27.400 align:start WE IMAGINE AND FANTASIZE THE WAY THAT BLACK WOMEN HAVE THIS KIND 15:26.467 --> 15:28.867 align:start THAT BLACK WOMEN HAVE THIS KIND OF NATURAL WAY OF -- 15:27.400 --> 15:29.433 align:start OF NATURAL WAY OF -- >> OF MOVING. 15:28.867 --> 15:29.700 align:start >> OF MOVING. >> OF MOVING THEIR BODIES, 15:29.433 --> 15:31.700 align:start >> OF MOVING THEIR BODIES, RIGHT. 15:29.700 --> 15:34.433 align:start RIGHT. >> RIGHT. 15:31.700 --> 15:36.000 align:start >> RIGHT. >> AND, IT IS, IT IS SOMETHING 15:34.433 --> 15:39.266 align:start >> AND, IT IS, IT IS SOMETHING THAT CREATES A DIFFERENCE EVEN 15:36.000 --> 15:40.533 align:start THAT CREATES A DIFFERENCE EVEN WITH BEYONCÉ AND THE WAY IN 15:39.266 --> 15:41.467 align:start WITH BEYONCÉ AND THE WAY IN WHICH SHE'S SEEN WITH THE 15:40.533 --> 15:44.133 align:start WHICH SHE'S SEEN WITH THE ATHLETICISM OF WE HAVE NEWS AND 15:41.467 --> 15:45.567 align:start ATHLETICISM OF WE HAVE NEWS AND SERENA, WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT 15:44.133 --> 15:48.533 align:start SERENA, WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THEM, THEY ARE NOT SEEN AS 15:45.567 --> 15:50.700 align:start THEM, THEY ARE NOT SEEN AS INHERENTLY OR RO -- VERDICTLY 15:48.533 --> 15:53.500 align:start INHERENTLY OR RO -- VERDICTLY SEXUAL SO MUCH AS A-- OVERTLY 15:50.700 --> 15:54.934 align:start SEXUAL SO MUCH AS A-- OVERTLY SEXUAL AS NEWSCASTERS WRITE UP 15:53.500 --> 15:55.900 align:start SEXUAL AS NEWSCASTERS WRITE UP ABOUT THEM AS ANIMAL-LIKE. 15:54.934 --> 15:57.934 align:start ABOUT THEM AS ANIMAL-LIKE. CLYDESDALES AND WE'LL REALLY 15:55.900 --> 15:59.700 align:start CLYDESDALES AND WE'LL REALLY EMPHASIZE THEIR STRENGTH AND 15:57.934 --> 16:03.767 align:start EMPHASIZE THEIR STRENGTH AND ALSO SUPER HUMAN STRENGTH TO 15:59.700 --> 16:06.533 align:start ALSO SUPER HUMAN STRENGTH TO MAKE THEM AND WRITE THEM IN VERY 16:03.767 --> 16:08.660 align:start MAKE THEM AND WRITE THEM IN VERY MASCULINE WAYS AS OPPOSED TO 16:06.533 --> 16:10.567 align:start MASCULINE WAYS AS OPPOSED TO ANNA COURT ANY KOURNIKOVA, TENNIS PLAYER 16:08.660 --> 16:12.333 align:start ANNA COURT ANY KOURNIKOVA, TENNIS PLAYER AND SEXUALIZED AND SEEN AS 16:10.567 --> 16:14.330 align:start AND SEXUALIZED AND SEEN AS SEXUALLY AVAILABLE WHEREAS VENUS 16:12.333 --> 16:16.330 align:start SEXUALLY AVAILABLE WHEREAS VENUS AND SERENA VERY POWERFUL TENNIS 16:14.330 --> 16:18.633 align:start AND SERENA VERY POWERFUL TENNIS PLAY EXPRERS THE SAME KIND OF 16:16.330 --> 16:20.200 align:start PLAY EXPRERS THE SAME KIND OF PHYSICALLY POWERFUL BODIES, 16:18.633 --> 16:21.567 align:start PHYSICALLY POWERFUL BODIES, AREN'T INHERENTLY SEEN AS 16:20.200 --> 16:23.567 align:start AREN'T INHERENTLY SEEN AS OVERTLY SEXUAL SO MUCH AS THEY 16:21.567 --> 16:26.600 align:start OVERTLY SEXUAL SO MUCH AS THEY ARE OVERTLY ANIMALISTICKAND 16:23.567 --> 16:27.133 align:start ARE OVERTLY ANIMALISTICKAND OVERTLY MASCULINE AND THAT'S 16:26.600 --> 16:28.166 align:start OVERTLY MASCULINE AND THAT'S BECAUSE RACE IS INTERSECTED WITH 16:27.133 --> 16:30.734 align:start BECAUSE RACE IS INTERSECTED WITH THEIR IDENTITY. 16:28.166 --> 16:32.400 align:start THEIR IDENTITY. >> TO GO BACK TO YOUR POINT 16:30.734 --> 16:35.834 align:start >> TO GO BACK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT WHO SOME OF THESE FEMALE 16:32.400 --> 16:39.100 align:start ABOUT WHO SOME OF THESE FEMALE PERFORMERS, WHITE FEMALE 16:35.834 --> 16:41.660 align:start PERFORMERS, WHITE FEMALE PERFORMERS HAVE AS PROPS, THE 16:39.100 --> 16:43.100 align:start PERFORMERS HAVE AS PROPS, THE DANCERS ARE BLACK WITH THE BODY 16:41.660 --> 16:44.500 align:start DANCERS ARE BLACK WITH THE BODY TYPE THAT WE BUY INTO, RIGHT. 16:43.100 --> 16:49.000 align:start TYPE THAT WE BUY INTO, RIGHT. AND THE MOVEMENT THAT WE WANT TO 16:44.500 --> 16:50.660 align:start AND THE MOVEMENT THAT WE WANT TO BUY INTO. 16:49.000 --> 16:51.734 align:start BUY INTO. SO HOW HAS THIS COULD -- 16:50.660 --> 16:55.133 align:start SO HOW HAS THIS COULD -- CO-OPTION OF THE BLACK IDENTITY, 16:51.734 --> 16:57.433 align:start CO-OPTION OF THE BLACK IDENTITY, NOT ONLY IS IT MISAPPROPRIATING 16:55.133 --> 16:59.133 align:start NOT ONLY IS IT MISAPPROPRIATING THE CHURCH BUT IT IS ALSO 16:57.433 --> 17:00.734 align:start THE CHURCH BUT IT IS ALSO CO-MODIFYING THE BODIES OF BLACK 16:59.133 --> 17:03.867 align:start CO-MODIFYING THE BODIES OF BLACK WOMEN WITH THEIR BUTTOCKS 17:00.734 --> 17:05.133 align:start WOMEN WITH THEIR BUTTOCKS DANCING THERE IS A WHOLE OTHER 17:03.867 --> 17:05.433 align:start DANCING THERE IS A WHOLE OTHER LAYER OF THAT THAT I THINK IS 17:05.133 --> 17:07.433 align:start LAYER OF THAT THAT I THINK IS COMPLICATED AND ALMOST 17:05.433 --> 17:09.660 align:start COMPLICATED AND ALMOST DISGUSTING. 17:07.433 --> 17:10.567 align:start DISGUSTING. >> WELL, BELL HOOKS TALKS ABOUT 17:09.660 --> 17:12.400 align:start >> WELL, BELL HOOKS TALKS ABOUT IN HER BOOK, IT IS OLD BUT IT IS 17:10.567 --> 17:13.667 align:start IN HER BOOK, IT IS OLD BUT IT IS CALLED "BLACK LOOKS: 17:12.400 --> 17:17.500 align:start CALLED "BLACK LOOKS: RACE AND REPRESENTATION. 17:13.667 --> 17:18.433 align:start RACE AND REPRESENTATION. " AND IF THERE SHE HAS AN 17:17.500 --> 17:19.967 align:start " AND IF THERE SHE HAS AN ARTICLE ABOUT BLACK FEMALE 17:18.433 --> 17:22.867 align:start ARTICLE ABOUT BLACK FEMALE COMMODIFICATION AND SHE SAYS 17:19.967 --> 17:25.660 align:start COMMODIFICATION AND SHE SAYS OFTEN TIMES WHEN WE SEE THE IDEA 17:22.867 --> 17:26.300 align:start OFTEN TIMES WHEN WE SEE THE IDEA OF SEXUALITY, WHEN IT IS 17:25.660 --> 17:28.433 align:start OF SEXUALITY, WHEN IT IS EMBODIED BY WHITE FEMALE 17:26.300 --> 17:29.900 align:start EMBODIED BY WHITE FEMALE PERFORMERS IS THEY WANT TO ERASE 17:28.433 --> 17:31.233 align:start PERFORMERS IS THEY WANT TO ERASE THE BLACK PRECEDENT FROM WHICH 17:29.900 --> 17:33.400 align:start THE BLACK PRECEDENT FROM WHICH THE IDEA COMES FROM, RIGHT. 17:31.233 --> 17:35.200 align:start THE IDEA COMES FROM, RIGHT. SO WE WANT TO DO THE MOVES, WE 17:33.400 --> 17:36.500 align:start SO WE WANT TO DO THE MOVES, WE WANT TO DO THIS BUT THE BODY 17:35.200 --> 17:38.900 align:start WANT TO DO THIS BUT THE BODY REMAINS WHITE, THEN WE SOMEHOW 17:36.500 --> 17:41.433 align:start REMAINS WHITE, THEN WE SOMEHOW ADD MORE VALUE TO IT. 17:38.900 --> 17:42.000 align:start ADD MORE VALUE TO IT. SAME THING WITH, FOR INSTANCE, 17:41.433 --> 17:45.867 align:start SAME THING WITH, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE ANGELINA JOLIE'S LIPS, 17:42.000 --> 17:48.300 align:start LIKE ANGELINA JOLIE'S LIPS, WE'RE VERY FASCINATED. 17:45.867 --> 17:50.600 align:start WE'RE VERY FASCINATED. >> OR J. LO'S REAR END. 17:48.300 --> 17:51.600 align:start >> OR J. LO'S REAR END. >> WE LIKE TO ERASE THE BLACK 17:50.600 --> 17:53.600 align:start >> WE LIKE TO ERASE THE BLACK PRECEDENT AND SAY WE'RE NOT 17:51.600 --> 17:55.767 align:start PRECEDENT AND SAY WE'RE NOT FETISHIZING AFRICAN-AMERICAN 17:53.600 --> 17:56.330 align:start FETISHIZING AFRICAN-AMERICAN CULL WHICH ARE OR BLACK CULTURE 17:55.767 --> 17:56.467 align:start CULL WHICH ARE OR BLACK CULTURE WE JUST WANT TO SEE IT SOMEHOW 17:56.330 --> 17:57.100 align:start WE JUST WANT TO SEE IT SOMEHOW EMBODIED. 17:56.467 --> 17:58.900 align:start EMBODIED. >> IN THE EUROPEAN. 17:57.100 --> 18:00.533 align:start >> IN THE EUROPEAN. >> DEFINITELY. 17:58.900 --> 18:02.600 align:start >> DEFINITELY. >> AND YET, BLACK WOMEN'S BODIES 18:00.533 --> 18:03.467 align:start >> AND YET, BLACK WOMEN'S BODIES ARE USED BY WHITE FEMALE 18:02.600 --> 18:05.633 align:start ARE USED BY WHITE FEMALE PERFORMERS IN THEIR OWN SEXUAL 18:03.467 --> 18:07.166 align:start PERFORMERS IN THEIR OWN SEXUAL PERFORMANCES. 18:05.633 --> 18:08.500 align:start PERFORMANCES. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I THINK OF 18:07.166 --> 18:11.133 align:start AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I THINK OF MADONNA'S MUSIC VIDEO, MUSIC 18:08.500 --> 18:12.934 align:start MADONNA'S MUSIC VIDEO, MUSIC WHERE SHE GOES INTO THIS STRIP 18:11.133 --> 18:15.433 align:start WHERE SHE GOES INTO THIS STRIP CLUB AND SHE'S GOT, SHE'S 18:12.934 --> 18:17.233 align:start CLUB AND SHE'S GOT, SHE'S SMACKING BOOTYS AND YOU SEE THAT 18:15.433 --> 18:18.300 align:start SMACKING BOOTYS AND YOU SEE THAT AGAIN IN THE MILEY CYRUS VIDEO 18:17.233 --> 18:22.133 align:start AGAIN IN THE MILEY CYRUS VIDEO AND SHE'S TWERKING BUT THERE ARE 18:18.300 --> 18:23.333 align:start AND SHE'S TWERKING BUT THERE ARE AFRICAN-AMERICAN AROUND HER AND 18:22.133 --> 18:24.600 align:start AFRICAN-AMERICAN AROUND HER AND SHE'S SMACKING THEIR AZ --ASS 18:23.333 --> 18:25.433 align:start SHE'S SMACKING THEIR AZ --ASS AND HANDLING THEM THAT SHE'S 18:24.600 --> 18:26.867 align:start AND HANDLING THEM THAT SHE'S SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THE PIMP. 18:25.433 --> 18:29.800 align:start SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THE PIMP. >> YES. 18:26.867 --> 18:30.660 align:start >> YES. THAT'S VERY REMINISCENT. 18:29.800 --> 18:31.767 align:start THAT'S VERY REMINISCENT. >> AND IT IS REMINISCE SEND OF 18:30.660 --> 18:32.567 align:start >> AND IT IS REMINISCE SEND OF OWNERSHIP. 18:31.767 --> 18:33.767 align:start OWNERSHIP. THEY SAYING TO THEM AS WHITE 18:32.567 --> 18:35.967 align:start THEY SAYING TO THEM AS WHITE FEMALE PERFORMERS EVEN THOUGH 18:33.767 --> 18:38.567 align:start FEMALE PERFORMERS EVEN THOUGH THIS IS SEEN TRADITIONALLY IN 18:35.967 --> 18:40.000 align:start THIS IS SEEN TRADITIONALLY IN MEDIA AS A MALE THING, RIGHT, A 18:38.567 --> 18:41.400 align:start MEDIA AS A MALE THING, RIGHT, A PIMP, AND OFTEN DEPICKED AS A 18:40.000 --> 18:45.433 align:start PIMP, AND OFTEN DEPICKED AS A MAN, THAT THEY KIND OF ARE 18:41.400 --> 18:46.900 align:start MAN, THAT THEY KIND OF ARE APPROPRIATING THIS COLONIAL 18:45.433 --> 18:47.300 align:start APPROPRIATING THIS COLONIAL FANTASY OF THIS, YOU KNOW, KIND 18:46.900 --> 18:48.300 align:start FANTASY OF THIS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IMAGINE OWNERSHIP OF BLACK 18:47.300 --> 18:48.867 align:start OF IMAGINE OWNERSHIP OF BLACK FEMALE BODIES. 18:48.300 --> 18:49.734 align:start FEMALE BODIES. >> SLAVERY. 18:48.867 --> 18:51.600 align:start >> SLAVERY. >> DEFINITELY. 18:49.734 --> 18:52.500 align:start >> DEFINITELY. >> THAT'S WHAT IT IS. 18:51.600 --> 18:54.834 align:start >> THAT'S WHAT IT IS. >> BHEL HOOKS HAS ANOTHER GREAT 18:52.500 --> 18:56.600 align:start >> BHEL HOOKS HAS ANOTHER GREAT ARTICLE AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT 18:54.834 --> 18:58.660 align:start ARTICLE AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT BOOK IT WAS IN BUT IT IS CALLED 18:56.600 --> 18:59.533 align:start BOOK IT WAS IN BUT IT IS CALLED PLANTATION MISTRESS OR SOUL 18:58.660 --> 19:01.533 align:start PLANTATION MISTRESS OR SOUL SISTER AND IT IS ABOUT MADONNA 18:59.533 --> 19:02.834 align:start SISTER AND IT IS ABOUT MADONNA AND THIS PROCESS OF HER NOT JUST 19:01.533 --> 19:05.767 align:start AND THIS PROCESS OF HER NOT JUST KIND OF CO-OPTING AND STEALING 19:02.834 --> 19:07.133 align:start KIND OF CO-OPTING AND STEALING FROM BLACK CULTURE IN HER MUSIC 19:05.767 --> 19:08.867 align:start FROM BLACK CULTURE IN HER MUSIC AND OTHER FARM FORMSBE REALLY 19:07.133 --> 19:11.667 align:start AND OTHER FARM FORMSBE REALLY YOU HAD SHE USES BLACK BODIES 19:08.867 --> 19:12.967 align:start YOU HAD SHE USES BLACK BODIES AND BLACK WE'RE BODIES TO CREATE 19:11.667 --> 19:14.367 align:start AND BLACK WE'RE BODIES TO CREATE HERSELF AS THE NORM IN CONTROL 19:12.967 --> 19:14.834 align:start HERSELF AS THE NORM IN CONTROL BECAUSE -- SHE'S GOT HER FOOT ON 19:14.367 --> 19:16.567 align:start BECAUSE -- SHE'S GOT HER FOOT ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE DEVIANT 19:14.834 --> 19:16.867 align:start THE, YOU KNOW, THE DEVIANT OTHERS. 19:16.567 --> 19:18.667 align:start OTHERS. >> AND WE SEE HER DO THIS WITH 19:16.867 --> 19:20.600 align:start >> AND WE SEE HER DO THIS WITH VOGUE EVEN. 19:18.667 --> 19:22.233 align:start VOGUE EVEN. VOGUE WHICH IS ONE OF HER MOST 19:20.600 --> 19:24.400 align:start VOGUE WHICH IS ONE OF HER MOST FAMOUS SONGS COMES OUT OF 19:22.233 --> 19:25.300 align:start FAMOUS SONGS COMES OUT OF VOGUEING AS AN ART FORM, AND AS 19:24.400 --> 19:28.660 align:start VOGUEING AS AN ART FORM, AND AS A DANCE FORM COMES OUT OF THE 19:25.300 --> 19:30.660 align:start A DANCE FORM COMES OUT OF THE BLACK WE'RE BALL SCENE WHICH IS 19:28.660 --> 19:30.233 align:start BLACK WE'RE BALL SCENE WHICH IS AN UNDERGROUND SCENE, WHICH MANY 19:30.660 --> 19:32.367 align:start AN UNDERGROUND SCENE, WHICH MANY MAINSTREAM PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE 19:30.233 --> 19:34.166 align:start MAINSTREAM PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF. 19:32.367 --> 19:36.133 align:start OF. THERE'S A NEW BOOK BY ACTUALLY 19:34.166 --> 19:36.934 align:start THERE'S A NEW BOOK BY ACTUALLY Dr. MARLON BAILEY ACTUALLY AT 19:36.133 --> 19:38.734 align:start Dr. MARLON BAILEY ACTUALLY AT IU ABOUT THE HOUSE OF BALL SCENE 19:36.934 --> 19:41.166 align:start IU ABOUT THE HOUSE OF BALL SCENE IN DETROIT. 19:38.734 --> 19:43.233 align:start IN DETROIT. AND IT GREAT. 19:41.166 --> 19:46.400 align:start AND IT GREAT. CALLED BUTCH QUEEN UP IN PUMPS. 19:43.233 --> 19:48.600 align:start CALLED BUTCH QUEEN UP IN PUMPS. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT. 19:46.400 --> 19:50.834 align:start I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT. BUT, MADONNA COMES ALONG, AND 19:48.600 --> 19:52.166 align:start BUT, MADONNA COMES ALONG, AND TAPS INTO THE BALL SCENE, AND 19:50.834 --> 19:53.967 align:start TAPS INTO THE BALL SCENE, AND BASICALLY APPROPRIATES, I MEAN, 19:52.166 --> 19:56.367 align:start BASICALLY APPROPRIATES, I MEAN, YOU HAVE NINJA A FAMOUS BALL 19:53.967 --> 19:59.660 align:start YOU HAVE NINJA A FAMOUS BALL WALKER IN ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF 19:56.367 --> 19:59.667 align:start WALKER IN ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF THE BALL SCENE IN NEW YORK, IN 19:59.660 --> 20:02.767 align:start THE BALL SCENE IN NEW YORK, IN THE LATE '80s, YOU KNOW, IN 19:59.667 --> 20:04.500 align:start THE LATE '80s, YOU KNOW, IN THE VIDEO. 20:02.767 --> 20:06.367 align:start THE VIDEO. BUT, SHE NEVER GIVES LIP SERVICE 20:04.500 --> 20:07.734 align:start BUT, SHE NEVER GIVES LIP SERVICE TO THE FACT THAT VOG VOGUE COMES 20:06.367 --> 20:09.900 align:start TO THE FACT THAT VOG VOGUE COMES OUT OF THE BLACK BALL SCENE OR, 20:07.734 --> 20:11.900 align:start OUT OF THE BLACK BALL SCENE OR, YOU KNOW, IT IS SEEN AS HER 20:09.900 --> 20:14.333 align:start YOU KNOW, IT IS SEEN AS HER ORIGINATION AND HER OWN 20:11.900 --> 20:15.734 align:start ORIGINATION AND HER OWN CREATIVITY, AS OPPOSED TO GIVING 20:14.333 --> 20:18.600 align:start CREATIVITY, AS OPPOSED TO GIVING THOSE CREDITS BUT BEYONCÉ DOES 20:15.734 --> 20:19.600 align:start THOSE CREDITS BUT BEYONCÉ DOES SIMILAR THING IT IS. 20:18.600 --> 20:21.500 align:start SIMILAR THING IT IS. IN THE SENSE OF HER SONG "GET ME 20:19.600 --> 20:24.333 align:start IN THE SENSE OF HER SONG "GET ME BODY" FOR INSTANCE WHEN SHE'S 20:21.500 --> 20:25.533 align:start BODY" FOR INSTANCE WHEN SHE'S DOING SNAP FOR THE KIDS, AND ALL 20:24.333 --> 20:25.934 align:start DOING SNAP FOR THE KIDS, AND ALL OF THIS THING AND NAOMI CAMPBELL 20:25.533 --> 20:27.934 align:start OF THIS THING AND NAOMI CAMPBELL WALK, THOSE ARE BALL WALKING 20:25.934 --> 20:29.834 align:start WALK, THOSE ARE BALL WALKING THINGS. 20:27.934 --> 20:31.433 align:start THINGS. THOSE THINGS COME OUT OF A SCENE 20:29.834 --> 20:32.900 align:start THOSE THINGS COME OUT OF A SCENE THAT'S NOT MAINSTREAM AND SO 20:31.433 --> 20:35.667 align:start THAT'S NOT MAINSTREAM AND SO WHEN IT IS IMMERSED IN POPULAR 20:32.900 --> 20:38.133 align:start WHEN IT IS IMMERSED IN POPULAR CULTURE LIKE THAT NATURALLY, THE 20:35.667 --> 20:38.400 align:start CULTURE LIKE THAT NATURALLY, THE EYE IS LIKE, OH, MADONNA IS SO 20:38.133 --> 20:39.800 align:start EYE IS LIKE, OH, MADONNA IS SO CREATIVE OR BEYONCÉ IS SO 20:38.400 --> 20:41.166 align:start CREATIVE OR BEYONCÉ IS SO CREATIVE. 20:39.800 --> 20:43.867 align:start CREATIVE. >> IT IS NOT NEGATIVE. 20:41.166 --> 20:45.400 align:start >> IT IS NOT NEGATIVE. >> IT IS JUST A WAY TO BE 20:43.867 --> 20:46.400 align:start >> IT IS JUST A WAY TO BE DIFFERENT AND INNOVATIVE WITHOUT 20:45.400 --> 20:47.967 align:start DIFFERENT AND INNOVATIVE WITHOUT SOMEHOW GIVING CREDIT OR 20:46.400 --> 20:49.500 align:start SOMEHOW GIVING CREDIT OR SPEAKING TO THE FACT THAT YOU 20:47.967 --> 20:51.266 align:start SPEAKING TO THE FACT THAT YOU GET THIS FROM ANOTHER CULTURE. 20:49.500 --> 20:53.133 align:start GET THIS FROM ANOTHER CULTURE. AND MADONNA DOES IT WITH NOT 20:51.266 --> 20:54.000 align:start AND MADONNA DOES IT WITH NOT JUST BLACK BODIES BUT I REMEMBER 20:53.133 --> 20:57.633 align:start JUST BLACK BODIES BUT I REMEMBER ONE TIME SHE WAS ASIAN. 20:54.000 --> 20:59.567 align:start ONE TIME SHE WAS ASIAN. A LOT OF HER VIDEOS ARE ABOUT 20:57.633 --> 21:00.834 align:start A LOT OF HER VIDEOS ARE ABOUT PEOPLE OF COLOR, INDIAN, ASIAN, 20:59.567 --> 21:01.166 align:start PEOPLE OF COLOR, INDIAN, ASIAN, BLACK, AND SHE'S SEEN AS 21:00.834 --> 21:06.667 align:start BLACK, AND SHE'S SEEN AS EXTREMELY CREATIVE AND ALL OF 21:01.166 --> 21:07.100 align:start EXTREMELY CREATIVE AND ALL OF THESE THINGS. 21:06.667 --> 21:08.834 align:start THESE THINGS. >> AND GWEN STEFAN ANY HAS DONE 21:07.100 --> 21:10.100 align:start >> AND GWEN STEFAN ANY HAS DONE IT TOO. 21:08.834 --> 21:12.333 align:start IT TOO. >> SO, IT DOESN'T STOP, WE COULD 21:10.100 --> 21:13.600 align:start >> SO, IT DOESN'T STOP, WE COULD NAME ALL KINDS OF ARTISTS THAT 21:12.333 --> 21:16.400 align:start NAME ALL KINDS OF ARTISTS THAT HAVE DONE THIS KIND OF MAL 21:13.600 --> 21:18.567 align:start HAVE DONE THIS KIND OF MAL APPROPRIATION OF CULTURE BUT 21:16.400 --> 21:19.633 align:start APPROPRIATION OF CULTURE BUT ALSO, NOT JUST ALONG ETHNIC 21:18.567 --> 21:21.100 align:start ALSO, NOT JUST ALONG ETHNIC LINES, LATINO OR OF 21:19.633 --> 21:22.533 align:start LINES, LATINO OR OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN BUT ALSO GENDER 21:21.100 --> 21:24.567 align:start AFRICAN-AMERICAN BUT ALSO GENDER AND GENDER IDENTITY. 21:22.533 --> 21:25.800 align:start AND GENDER IDENTITY. AND SEXUAL ORIENTATION. 21:24.567 --> 21:29.233 align:start AND SEXUAL ORIENTATION. WE HAVE ALSO SEEN AS YOU JUST 21:25.800 --> 21:29.767 align:start WE HAVE ALSO SEEN AS YOU JUST MENTIONED YOU HAVE JUST GOT INTO 21:29.233 --> 21:33.967 align:start MENTIONED YOU HAVE JUST GOT INTO THAT ABOUT THE WHOLE BALL 21:29.767 --> 21:35.934 align:start THAT ABOUT THE WHOLE BALL PHENOMENON. 21:33.967 --> 21:38.100 align:start PHENOMENON. SO HOW ALSO ARE WE DEVIATE, 21:35.934 --> 21:39.967 align:start SO HOW ALSO ARE WE DEVIATE, SOMEHOW DEMEANING THOSE WHO HAVE 21:38.100 --> 21:41.467 align:start SOMEHOW DEMEANING THOSE WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT SEXUAL ORIENTATION 21:39.967 --> 21:43.467 align:start A DIFFERENT SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR DIFFERENT SEXUAL IDENTITY AS 21:41.467 --> 21:46.834 align:start OR DIFFERENT SEXUAL IDENTITY AS WELL AS ALL OF THE POP CHURCH 21:43.467 --> 21:48.100 align:start WELL AS ALL OF THE POP CHURCH IMAGES OR MANY WOULD SAW -- 21:46.834 --> 21:48.367 align:start IMAGES OR MANY WOULD SAW -- CULTURAL IMAGES, THE OR THE MORE 21:48.100 --> 21:48.633 align:start CULTURAL IMAGES, THE OR THE MORE ACT WE SEE IT THE MORE 21:48.367 --> 21:50.467 align:start ACT WE SEE IT THE MORE ACCEPTING. 21:48.633 --> 21:51.934 align:start ACCEPTING. >> NO. 21:50.467 --> 21:53.400 align:start >> NO. I THINK IF IT IS A PART OF THE 21:51.934 --> 21:55.000 align:start I THINK IF IT IS A PART OF THE CULTURE BUT TYPICALLIES THE 21:53.400 --> 21:57.433 align:start CULTURE BUT TYPICALLIES THE POSSESS ITED AS MAINSTREAM 21:55.000 --> 21:58.433 align:start POSSESS ITED AS MAINSTREAM CULTURE OR THIS IS MAINSTREAM, 21:57.433 --> 21:59.900 align:start CULTURE OR THIS IS MAINSTREAM, THIS IS WHERE THE MAINSTREAM IS 21:58.433 --> 22:02.400 align:start THIS IS WHERE THE MAINSTREAM IS MOVING IN TERMS OF THAT BUT IT 21:59.900 --> 22:04.233 align:start MOVING IN TERMS OF THAT BUT IT IS NOT PRESENTING THE CULTURE OR 22:02.400 --> 22:06.633 align:start IS NOT PRESENTING THE CULTURE OR THE PEOPLE I FEEL LIKE, BLACK 22:04.233 --> 22:08.767 align:start THE PEOPLE I FEEL LIKE, BLACK WE'RE PEOPLE IN A HOLISTIC WAY. 22:06.633 --> 22:09.934 align:start WE'RE PEOPLE IN A HOLISTIC WAY. IT IS AGAIN A ERASING THAT 22:08.767 --> 22:14.000 align:start IT IS AGAIN A ERASING THAT PRECEDENT AND CAPITALIZING ON 22:09.934 --> 22:15.834 align:start PRECEDENT AND CAPITALIZING ON THE CREATIVITY. 22:14.000 --> 22:17.567 align:start THE CREATIVITY. BUT NOT NECESSARILY OPENING UP, 22:15.834 --> 22:18.700 align:start BUT NOT NECESSARILY OPENING UP, UNDERSTANDING OR EMPATHY EVEN TO 22:17.567 --> 22:22.600 align:start UNDERSTANDING OR EMPATHY EVEN TO THE BLACK WE'RE STRUGGLES OR 22:18.700 --> 22:23.934 align:start THE BLACK WE'RE STRUGGLES OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 22:22.600 --> 22:25.767 align:start THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF 22:23.934 --> 22:27.900 align:start YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF VIOLENCE, AND A LOT OF 22:25.767 --> 22:29.000 align:start VIOLENCE, AND A LOT OF RESISTANCE TO BLACK WE'RE 22:27.900 --> 22:31.867 align:start RESISTANCE TO BLACK WE'RE PEOPLE, IN OUR CULTURE BUT YET 22:29.000 --> 22:33.600 align:start PEOPLE, IN OUR CULTURE BUT YET STILL WE SEE THE RHETORIC AND 22:31.867 --> 22:36.633 align:start STILL WE SEE THE RHETORIC AND THE LANGUAGE, IF I MEAN, IF I 22:33.600 --> 22:37.834 align:start THE LANGUAGE, IF I MEAN, IF I SEE SHADE AND READING ONE MORE 22:36.633 --> 22:39.166 align:start SEE SHADE AND READING ONE MORE TIME ON THE BRAVO T.V. SHOW, I 22:37.834 --> 22:40.667 align:start TIME ON THE BRAVO T.V. SHOW, I MEAN, I'M GOING SCREAM. 22:39.166 --> 22:43.133 align:start MEAN, I'M GOING SCREAM. BUT, ALL OF IT, THE LANGUAGE, 22:40.667 --> 22:45.330 align:start BUT, ALL OF IT, THE LANGUAGE, THE MOVES, THE IDEA OF WHAT IT 22:43.133 --> 22:46.166 align:start THE MOVES, THE IDEA OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A DIVA, FIERCE. 22:45.330 --> 22:47.800 align:start MEANS TO BE A DIVA, FIERCE. >> BUT THERE'S MORE TO ALL OF 22:46.166 --> 22:49.133 align:start >> BUT THERE'S MORE TO ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE THAN THAT KIND OF 22:47.800 --> 22:50.533 align:start THOSE PEOPLE THAN THAT KIND OF EXPRESSION THERE IS INTELLECTUAL 22:49.133 --> 22:51.667 align:start EXPRESSION THERE IS INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY AND CREATIVITY THAT'S 22:50.533 --> 22:52.800 align:start CAPACITY AND CREATIVITY THAT'S NOT BEING TAPPED SO THEREFORE, 22:51.667 --> 22:53.400 align:start NOT BEING TAPPED SO THEREFORE, YOU'RE CREATING THE IMAGE THAT 22:52.800 --> 22:55.000 align:start YOU'RE CREATING THE IMAGE THAT THAT'S WHAT THESE PEOPLE DO. 22:53.400 --> 22:55.200 align:start THAT'S WHAT THESE PEOPLE DO. >> YES. 22:55.000 --> 22:56.367 align:start >> YES. >> AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE ALL 22:55.200 --> 22:57.934 align:start >> AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE ALL LIKE. 22:56.367 --> 23:00.266 align:start LIKE. AND, BUT YET, THERE IS A GREAT 22:57.934 --> 23:01.367 align:start AND, BUT YET, THERE IS A GREAT PUSH FOR FAMILY VALUES THAT 23:00.266 --> 23:02.330 align:start PUSH FOR FAMILY VALUES THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE SEXUAL 23:01.367 --> 23:03.433 align:start PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS NOT OUR OWN OR 23:02.330 --> 23:04.633 align:start ORIENTATIONS NOT OUR OWN OR DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, ALSO 23:03.433 --> 23:05.934 align:start DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, ALSO BELIEVE IN FAMILY VALUES BUT 23:04.633 --> 23:07.233 align:start BELIEVE IN FAMILY VALUES BUT SOMETIMES THAT'S TRYING TO BE 23:05.934 --> 23:09.133 align:start SOMETIMES THAT'S TRYING TO BE RACE BY STILL PICKING AT, THIS 23:07.233 --> 23:11.333 align:start RACE BY STILL PICKING AT, THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE REALLY ABOUT. 23:09.133 --> 23:12.233 align:start IS WHAT THEY ARE REALLY ABOUT. THIS IS WHAT THEY REALLY DO. 23:11.333 --> 23:14.567 align:start THIS IS WHAT THEY REALLY DO. AND THE SAME FOR WOMEN OF COLOR, 23:12.233 --> 23:14.734 align:start AND THE SAME FOR WOMEN OF COLOR, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 23:14.567 --> 23:15.533 align:start ET CETERA, ET CETERA. SO, AS WE, GOSH, THIS HAS BEEN 23:14.734 --> 23:15.834 align:start SO, AS WE, GOSH, THIS HAS BEEN FUN. 23:15.533 --> 23:18.133 align:start FUN. >> I KNOW. 23:15.834 --> 23:19.600 align:start >> I KNOW. [ LAUGHTER ] 23:18.133 --> 23:21.333 align:start [ LAUGHTER ] >> BUT I THINK IT ALSO, FOR ME 23:19.600 --> 23:23.266 align:start >> BUT I THINK IT ALSO, FOR ME THE CONVERSATION IS I REALLY 23:21.333 --> 23:25.100 align:start THE CONVERSATION IS I REALLY WANTED PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHY 23:23.266 --> 23:25.333 align:start WANTED PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THERE IS A 23:25.100 --> 23:28.100 align:start IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THERE IS A DEPARTMENT FOR WOMEN AND GENDER 23:25.333 --> 23:29.533 align:start DEPARTMENT FOR WOMEN AND GENDER STUDIES. 23:28.100 --> 23:30.934 align:start STUDIES. WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE A 23:29.533 --> 23:32.300 align:start WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE A PAN AFRICAN STUDIES DEPARTMENT. 23:30.934 --> 23:34.567 align:start PAN AFRICAN STUDIES DEPARTMENT. WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THESE 23:32.300 --> 23:35.900 align:start WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THESE ETHNIC STUDIES AND GENDSER 23:34.567 --> 23:36.233 align:start ETHNIC STUDIES AND GENDSER STUDIES PROGRAMS ARE VALUABLE, 23:35.900 --> 23:37.333 align:start STUDIES PROGRAMS ARE VALUABLE, AND IN OUR INSTITUTION OF HIGHER 23:36.233 --> 23:38.600 align:start AND IN OUR INSTITUTION OF HIGHER LEARNING 23:37.333 --> 23:39.867 align:start LEARNING LEARNING AND I THINK KIND OF 23:38.600 --> 23:41.233 align:start LEARNING AND I THINK KIND OF CONVERSATION MAY MAKE THE POINT, 23:39.867 --> 23:43.567 align:start CONVERSATION MAY MAKE THE POINT, THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE 23:41.233 --> 23:45.300 align:start THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELVES, SCHOLARS WHO 23:43.567 --> 23:47.000 align:start LIKE YOURSELVES, SCHOLARS WHO ARE CITING GREAT FEMINISTS AND 23:45.300 --> 23:48.533 align:start ARE CITING GREAT FEMINISTS AND WRITERS LIKE BELL HOOKS AND 23:47.000 --> 23:51.900 align:start WRITERS LIKE BELL HOOKS AND WHOMEVER THAT GETS LOST. 23:48.533 --> 23:53.330 align:start WHOMEVER THAT GETS LOST. AND THE NARRATIVE GETS CHANGED 23:51.900 --> 23:55.166 align:start AND THE NARRATIVE GETS CHANGED IN A VERY DIFFERENT AND MAYBE 23:53.330 --> 23:56.533 align:start IN A VERY DIFFERENT AND MAYBE UNCOMFORTABLE WAY IF WE DON'T 23:55.166 --> 23:58.600 align:start UNCOMFORTABLE WAY IF WE DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THESE PROGRAMS 23:56.533 --> 24:00.500 align:start ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THESE PROGRAMS HAVE LEGITIMACY. 23:58.600 --> 24:02.767 align:start HAVE LEGITIMACY. DO YOU SEE THAT AS, THIS IS 24:00.500 --> 24:04.166 align:start DO YOU SEE THAT AS, THIS IS THE -- NOT JUST THIS INSTANCE OF 24:02.767 --> 24:05.533 align:start THE -- NOT JUST THIS INSTANCE OF MILEY CYRUS AND MADONNA AND 24:04.166 --> 24:07.700 align:start MILEY CYRUS AND MADONNA AND TWERKING OR NOT THE TWERK BUT IN 24:05.533 --> 24:08.533 align:start TWERKING OR NOT THE TWERK BUT IN THE OVERALL EVERY DAY SCHEME OF 24:07.700 --> 24:09.867 align:start THE OVERALL EVERY DAY SCHEME OF WHERE WOMEN ARE AND OTHER 24:08.533 --> 24:11.467 align:start WHERE WOMEN ARE AND OTHER DISADVANTAGED OR MINORITY 24:09.867 --> 24:12.100 align:start DISADVANTAGED OR MINORITY POPULATIONS ARE, THAT THIS 24:11.467 --> 24:12.700 align:start POPULATIONS ARE, THAT THIS REALLY DOES BENEFIT HAVING THIS 24:12.100 --> 24:14.700 align:start REALLY DOES BENEFIT HAVING THIS KIND OF DEPARTMENT. 24:12.700 --> 24:17.433 align:start KIND OF DEPARTMENT. >> ABSOLUTELY. 24:14.700 --> 24:19.133 align:start >> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK OUR CONVERSATION WAS 24:17.433 --> 24:20.767 align:start I THINK OUR CONVERSATION WAS REALLY KIND OF JUST ILLUSTRATING 24:19.133 --> 24:21.967 align:start REALLY KIND OF JUST ILLUSTRATING HOW IT IS NOT JUST AN ISSUE OF, 24:20.767 --> 24:22.633 align:start HOW IT IS NOT JUST AN ISSUE OF, YOU KNOW, MAN VERSUS WOMEN OR 24:21.967 --> 24:24.166 align:start YOU KNOW, MAN VERSUS WOMEN OR WHITE PEOPLE VERSUS BLACK 24:22.633 --> 24:27.734 align:start WHITE PEOPLE VERSUS BLACK PEOPLE, RIGHT. 24:24.166 --> 24:29.200 align:start PEOPLE, RIGHT. IT IS REALLY ABOUT THIS KIND OF 24:27.734 --> 24:31.300 align:start IT IS REALLY ABOUT THIS KIND OF SOCIAL STRUCTURE WE HAVE THAT IS 24:29.200 --> 24:33.567 align:start SOCIAL STRUCTURE WE HAVE THAT IS HIERARCHAL AND PEOPLE OCCUPY 24:31.300 --> 24:34.867 align:start HIERARCHAL AND PEOPLE OCCUPY DIFFERENT KIND OF POSITIONS OF 24:33.567 --> 24:37.000 align:start DIFFERENT KIND OF POSITIONS OF POWER, WE'RE SEEING HOW POWER 24:34.867 --> 24:39.367 align:start POWER, WE'RE SEEING HOW POWER REALLY OPERATES AND CAN AFFECT 24:37.000 --> 24:41.767 align:start REALLY OPERATES AND CAN AFFECT PEOPLE'S LIVES IN VERY REAL, 24:39.367 --> 24:42.867 align:start PEOPLE'S LIVES IN VERY REAL, REAL WAYS AND HOW OPPRESSION, 24:41.767 --> 24:45.166 align:start REAL WAYS AND HOW OPPRESSION, YOU KNOW, THE INTERSECTION OF 24:42.867 --> 24:46.633 align:start YOU KNOW, THE INTERSECTION OF IDENTITY REALLY MATTERS AND IF 24:45.166 --> 24:47.934 align:start IDENTITY REALLY MATTERS AND IF WE REALLY WANT TO MOVE TOWARD 24:46.633 --> 24:48.834 align:start WE REALLY WANT TO MOVE TOWARD THE SOCIETY THAT IS JUST FOR ALL 24:47.934 --> 24:50.300 align:start THE SOCIETY THAT IS JUST FOR ALL PEOPLE, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND 24:48.834 --> 24:51.533 align:start PEOPLE, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. 24:50.300 --> 24:53.900 align:start WHAT'S GOING ON. FIRST WE HAVE TO BE REALLY 24:51.533 --> 24:54.533 align:start FIRST WE HAVE TO BE REALLY DEVELOP OUR CRITICAL THINKING 24:53.900 --> 24:55.667 align:start DEVELOP OUR CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS AND TO THINK ABOUT 24:54.533 --> 24:56.767 align:start SKILLS AND TO THINK ABOUT DEVELOPING DIFFERENT SOCIAL 24:55.667 --> 24:58.834 align:start DEVELOPING DIFFERENT SOCIAL STRUCTURES AND DIFFERENT WAYS OF 24:56.767 --> 24:59.433 align:start STRUCTURES AND DIFFERENT WAYS OF THINKING AND BEING IN THE WORLD 24:58.834 --> 25:00.500 align:start THINKING AND BEING IN THE WORLD SO THAT WE CAN LIVE IN AN EQUAL 24:59.433 --> 25:01.700 align:start SO THAT WE CAN LIVE IN AN EQUAL SOCIETY. 25:00.500 --> 25:02.500 align:start SOCIETY. >> AND THE QUESTION FOR YOU, I 25:01.700 --> 25:04.133 align:start >> AND THE QUESTION FOR YOU, I WANT YOU TO ANSWER THAT BUT 25:02.500 --> 25:04.667 align:start WANT YOU TO ANSWER THAT BUT ALSO, BECAUSE YOU'RE DEALING 25:04.133 --> 25:06.633 align:start ALSO, BECAUSE YOU'RE DEALING WITH MUCH YOUNGER MINDS THAN 25:04.667 --> 25:07.567 align:start WITH MUCH YOUNGER MINDS THAN MYSELF. 25:06.633 --> 25:09.533 align:start MYSELF. SO, DO THEY HAVE DIFFERENT 25:07.567 --> 25:10.767 align:start SO, DO THEY HAVE DIFFERENT ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE 25:09.533 --> 25:11.834 align:start ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT? 25:10.767 --> 25:13.233 align:start TALKED ABOUT? DO THEY, BE LIKE YOU GUYS ARE 25:11.834 --> 25:14.367 align:start DO THEY, BE LIKE YOU GUYS ARE MAKING TOO MUCH OF A BIG DEAL 25:13.233 --> 25:15.333 align:start MAKING TOO MUCH OF A BIG DEAL OUT OF ALL OF THIS? 25:14.367 --> 25:16.800 align:start OUT OF ALL OF THIS? THEY THINK THAT EVERYTHING IS 25:15.333 --> 25:19.166 align:start THEY THINK THAT EVERYTHING IS BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION. 25:16.800 --> 25:21.967 align:start BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION. >> WE TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE 25:19.166 --> 25:24.266 align:start >> WE TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME WOMEN AND GENDER STUDIES 25:21.967 --> 25:24.600 align:start TIME WOMEN AND GENDER STUDIES AND ANYBODY WHO DOES, WHAT I 25:24.266 --> 25:25.533 align:start AND ANYBODY WHO DOES, WHAT I CONSIDER AN ACTIVIST ORIENT 25:24.600 --> 25:28.433 align:start CONSIDER AN ACTIVIST ORIENT DISCIPLINE. 25:25.533 --> 25:30.967 align:start DISCIPLINE. WOMEN AND GENDER STUDIES, PAN 25:28.433 --> 25:32.800 align:start WOMEN AND GENDER STUDIES, PAN AFRICAN STUDIES AND EVEN LGBT 25:30.967 --> 25:33.567 align:start AFRICAN STUDIES AND EVEN LGBT STUDIES AND WE'RE STUDIES WITHIN 25:32.800 --> 25:35.333 align:start STUDIES AND WE'RE STUDIES WITHIN ACADEMIA ARE ACTIVIST ORIENT 25:33.567 --> 25:37.300 align:start ACADEMIA ARE ACTIVIST ORIENT DISCIPLINES IN THAT PEOPLE HAD 25:35.333 --> 25:38.834 align:start DISCIPLINES IN THAT PEOPLE HAD TO FIGHT AND CAMPAIGN AND 25:37.300 --> 25:41.330 align:start TO FIGHT AND CAMPAIGN AND ADVOCATE FOR THESE DISCIPLINES, 25:38.834 --> 25:42.734 align:start ADVOCATE FOR THESE DISCIPLINES, IT WASN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE 25:41.330 --> 25:43.967 align:start IT WASN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE, HMM, MAYBE -- AND IT 25:42.734 --> 25:45.800 align:start LIKE, HMM, MAYBE -- AND IT WASN'T LIKE ENGLISH OR, THESE 25:43.967 --> 25:47.433 align:start WASN'T LIKE ENGLISH OR, THESE TYPES OF THINGS, AND SO, THEY 25:45.800 --> 25:50.834 align:start TYPES OF THINGS, AND SO, THEY ARE NOT AS RELATIVELY OLD AS 25:47.433 --> 25:52.200 align:start ARE NOT AS RELATIVELY OLD AS LET'S SAY AN ENGLISH IS. 25:50.834 --> 25:53.867 align:start LET'S SAY AN ENGLISH IS. OR HISTORY. 25:52.200 --> 25:57.367 align:start OR HISTORY. BUT WHAT THEY DO IS UNTIL THE 25:53.867 --> 25:59.133 align:start BUT WHAT THEY DO IS UNTIL THE GAPS THAT ENGLISH OR HISTORY OR 25:57.367 --> 25:59.734 align:start GAPS THAT ENGLISH OR HISTORY OR POLITICAL SCIENCE LEAVE OUT. 25:59.133 --> 26:01.266 align:start POLITICAL SCIENCE LEAVE OUT. TYPICALLY, IF YOU'RE IN 25:59.734 --> 26:02.333 align:start TYPICALLY, IF YOU'RE IN TRADITIONAL DISCIPLINES THEY 26:01.266 --> 26:04.734 align:start TRADITIONAL DISCIPLINES THEY WON'T, THEY'LL TALK ABOUT 26:02.333 --> 26:06.567 align:start WON'T, THEY'LL TALK ABOUT HISTORIANS BUT WON'T NECESSARILY 26:04.734 --> 26:08.233 align:start HISTORIANS BUT WON'T NECESSARILY FOCUS ON WOMEN OR TALK ABOUT, 26:06.567 --> 26:09.367 align:start FOCUS ON WOMEN OR TALK ABOUT, AMERICAN HISTORY BUT DON'T TALK 26:08.233 --> 26:10.867 align:start AMERICAN HISTORY BUT DON'T TALK ABOUT AFRICAN-AMERICAN POSITION 26:09.367 --> 26:13.333 align:start ABOUT AFRICAN-AMERICAN POSITION WITHIN THAT HISTORY SO 26:10.867 --> 26:15.734 align:start WITHIN THAT HISTORY SO DEPARTMENTS LIKE PAN AFRICAN 26:13.333 --> 26:16.667 align:start DEPARTMENTS LIKE PAN AFRICAN STUDIES AND THEN LGBT STUDIES AS 26:15.734 --> 26:17.967 align:start STUDIES AND THEN LGBT STUDIES AS WELL LIKE GETTING INTO BLACK 26:16.667 --> 26:21.166 align:start WELL LIKE GETTING INTO BLACK STUDIES DEPARTMENT NOT 26:17.967 --> 26:22.367 align:start STUDIES DEPARTMENT NOT NECESSARILY DEALING WITH JAMES 26:21.166 --> 26:23.200 align:start NECESSARILY DEALING WITH JAMES BALDWIN AND SEXUALITY OR 26:22.367 --> 26:24.133 align:start BALDWIN AND SEXUALITY OR LANGSTON HUGHES'S SEXUALITY AND 26:23.200 --> 26:24.633 align:start LANGSTON HUGHES'S SEXUALITY AND THOSE THINGS ARE NECESSARY AND 26:24.133 --> 26:26.367 align:start THOSE THINGS ARE NECESSARY AND IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THEM AS 26:24.633 --> 26:29.500 align:start IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THEM AS ARTIST 26:26.367 --> 26:30.266 align:start ARTIST ARTIST AND INTELLECTUALS. 26:29.500 --> 26:31.600 align:start ARTIST AND INTELLECTUALS. AND SO, I FEEL LIKE THOSE -- OUR 26:30.266 --> 26:32.934 align:start AND SO, I FEEL LIKE THOSE -- OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE LIKE REALLY 26:31.600 --> 26:34.660 align:start DEPARTMENTS ARE LIKE REALLY NECESSARY FOR THAT BUT OUR 26:32.934 --> 26:35.633 align:start NECESSARY FOR THAT BUT OUR STUDENTS TYPICALLY ARE ALWAYS 26:34.660 --> 26:37.834 align:start STUDENTS TYPICALLY ARE ALWAYS SAYING, OH, YOU'RE MAKING A BIG 26:35.633 --> 26:38.367 align:start SAYING, OH, YOU'RE MAKING A BIG DEAL ABOUT THIS, AND WE LIVE IN 26:37.834 --> 26:40.166 align:start DEAL ABOUT THIS, AND WE LIVE IN A COLOR BLIND SOCIETY AND RACISM 26:38.367 --> 26:41.600 align:start A COLOR BLIND SOCIETY AND RACISM DOESN'T EXIST. 26:40.166 --> 26:42.600 align:start DOESN'T EXIST. >> POST RACIAL SOCIETY. 26:41.600 --> 26:44.567 align:start >> POST RACIAL SOCIETY. >> LOOK AT OBAMA AND 26:42.600 --> 26:46.166 align:start >> LOOK AT OBAMA AND MICHELLELOOK AT THE OBAMAS, AND 26:44.567 --> 26:48.734 align:start MICHELLELOOK AT THE OBAMAS, AND ALL OF THESE EXAMPLES, BUT 26:46.166 --> 26:50.667 align:start ALL OF THESE EXAMPLES, BUT WHAT'S HARD I THINK ABOUT OUR 26:48.734 --> 26:52.533 align:start WHAT'S HARD I THINK ABOUT OUR JOBS IS THAT, K-12 ISN'T 26:50.667 --> 26:53.533 align:start JOBS IS THAT, K-12 ISN'T NECESSARILY PREPARING STUDENTS 26:52.533 --> 26:54.967 align:start NECESSARILY PREPARING STUDENTS TO GRAPPLE CRITICALLY WITH THESE 26:53.533 --> 26:56.834 align:start TO GRAPPLE CRITICALLY WITH THESE TYPES OF IDEAS. 26:54.967 --> 26:58.000 align:start TYPES OF IDEAS. WITH IDEAS AROUND 26:56.834 --> 26:59.660 align:start WITH IDEAS AROUND INTERSECTIONALITY AND 26:58.000 --> 27:00.400 align:start INTERSECTIONALITY AND OPPRESSION. 26:59.660 --> 27:02.667 align:start OPPRESSION. K-12 DOESN'T REALLY TEACH OUR 27:00.400 --> 27:04.433 align:start K-12 DOESN'T REALLY TEACH OUR STUDENTS THAT SO BY THE TIME WE 27:02.667 --> 27:04.700 align:start STUDENTS THAT SO BY THE TIME WE GET THEM AT 18, THEY FEEL LIKE, 27:04.433 --> 27:06.367 align:start GET THEM AT 18, THEY FEEL LIKE, OH, MY GOD, I HAVEN'T LEARNED 27:04.700 --> 27:07.934 align:start OH, MY GOD, I HAVEN'T LEARNED ANYTHING. 27:06.367 --> 27:09.166 align:start ANYTHING. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT, AND I WILL 27:07.934 --> 27:12.660 align:start I DIDN'T KNOW THAT, AND I WILL POINT TO THINGS AND LIKE THE 27:09.166 --> 27:14.533 align:start POINT TO THINGS AND LIKE THE HISTORY BOOKS, FOR INSTANCE, AND 27:12.660 --> 27:15.200 align:start HISTORY BOOKS, FOR INSTANCE, AND I'LL SAY, ANY TIME COLONIALS WON 27:14.533 --> 27:16.633 align:start I'LL SAY, ANY TIME COLONIALS WON IT WAS CALLED A VICTORY AND ANY 27:15.200 --> 27:17.667 align:start IT WAS CALLED A VICTORY AND ANY TIME NATIVE AMERICANS WON IT WAS 27:16.633 --> 27:19.400 align:start TIME NATIVE AMERICANS WON IT WAS CALLED A MASSACRE SO EVEN THOUGH 27:17.667 --> 27:22.367 align:start CALLED A MASSACRE SO EVEN THOUGH SIMPLE THINGS LIKE THAT WITHIN 27:19.400 --> 27:23.300 align:start SIMPLE THINGS LIKE THAT WITHIN OUR HISTORY TEXTS AND OUR 27:22.367 --> 27:24.166 align:start OUR HISTORY TEXTS AND OUR LANGUAGE, SET UP THE MIND TO 27:23.300 --> 27:25.233 align:start LANGUAGE, SET UP THE MIND TO NATURALLY START THINKING AND 27:24.166 --> 27:26.834 align:start NATURALLY START THINKING AND REFLECTING ON CERTAIN THINGS 27:25.233 --> 27:28.834 align:start REFLECTING ON CERTAIN THINGS WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE'S RACE 27:26.834 --> 27:31.600 align:start WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE'S RACE AND GENDER AND SEEING THOSE 27:28.834 --> 27:32.400 align:start AND GENDER AND SEEING THOSE PEOPLE SOMEHOW EITHER INADEQUATE 27:31.600 --> 27:34.767 align:start PEOPLE SOMEHOW EITHER INADEQUATE OR INCAPABLE JUST BASED ON THESE 27:32.400 --> 27:36.433 align:start OR INCAPABLE JUST BASED ON THESE KINDS OF LIES. 27:34.767 --> 27:37.433 align:start KINDS OF LIES. >> WELL, Dr. KAILA STOREY, 27:36.433 --> 27:39.200 align:start >> WELL, Dr. KAILA STOREY, THANK YOU, Dr. DAWN HEINECKEN, 27:37.433 --> 27:40.800 align:start THANK YOU, Dr. DAWN HEINECKEN, THIS HAS BEEN A FUN CONVERSATION 27:39.200 --> 27:43.633 align:start THIS HAS BEEN A FUN CONVERSATION AND I'LL COME BACK AGAIN, AND 27:40.800 --> 27:44.633 align:start AND I'LL COME BACK AGAIN, AND WE'LL HAVE PART TWO AND THREE 27:43.633 --> 27:46.330 align:start WE'LL HAVE PART TWO AND THREE AND FOUR I THINK IT IS JUST 27:44.633 --> 27:47.533 align:start AND FOUR I THINK IT IS JUST REALLY EMPOWERING FOR US TO HAVE 27:46.330 --> 27:48.660 align:start REALLY EMPOWERING FOR US TO HAVE AN OPEN DIALOGUE ABOUT THIS AND 27:47.533 --> 27:49.166 align:start AN OPEN DIALOGUE ABOUT THIS AND CLEAR THE AIR. 27:48.660 --> 27:50.900 align:start CLEAR THE AIR. THANK YOU HAVE VERY MUCH. 27:49.166 --> 27:51.700 align:start THANK YOU HAVE VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 27:50.900 --> 27:53.330 align:start >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> AND WELCOME TO THE BIG CITY 27:51.700 --> 27:54.166 align:start >> AND WELCOME TO THE BIG CITY OF LOUISVILLE. 27:53.330 --> 27:55.330 align:start OF LOUISVILLE. WE APPRECIATE AND IT FROM OUR 27:54.166 --> 27:56.233 align:start WE APPRECIATE AND IT FROM OUR STUDIOS IN LOUISVILLE ON MAIN 27:55.330 --> 27:57.100 align:start STUDIOS IN LOUISVILLE ON MAIN STREET HERE IN DOWNTOWN 27:56.233 --> 27:58.400 align:start STREET HERE IN DOWNTOWN LOUISVILLE, I'M RENEE SHAW, 27:57.100 --> 28:00.834 align:start LOUISVILLE, I'M RENEE SHAW, THANK YOU FOR WATCHING. 27:58.400 --> 28:01.266 align:start THANK YOU FOR WATCHING. 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