WEBVTT 00:05.833 --> 00:11.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:7.5% ♪ ♪ 00:06.200 --> 00:11.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:7.5% ♪ ♪ 00:11.200 --> 00:13.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:60% >> Renee: AUTHOR JACINDA 00:11.866 --> 00:15.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% TOWNSEND HAS EARNED CRITICAL 00:13.200 --> 00:17.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% ACCLAIM FOR HER DEBUT NOVEL 00:15.400 --> 00:20.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% SAINT MONKEY, A COMING OF AGE 00:17.100 --> 00:20.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% NOVEL SET IN 1950s EASTERN 00:20.333 --> 00:22.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:22.5% KENTUCKY. 00:20.700 --> 00:24.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% I'LL TALK WITH THE BOWLING GREEN 00:22.566 --> 00:26.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% KENTUCKY NATIVE ABOUT HER 00:24.133 --> 00:29.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% WRITING, RURAL ROOTS AND HER 00:26.733 --> 00:33.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% JOURNEY FROM LAWYER TO REPORTER 00:29.533 --> 00:40.366 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% TO JOURNALIST AND NOVELIST NOW 00:33.300 --> 00:41.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:42.5% ON "CONNECTIONS." 00:40.366 --> 00:42.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR 00:41.766 --> 00:44.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:45% CONNECTIONS TODAY. 00:42.733 --> 00:46.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:37.5% I'M RENEE SHAW. 00:44.166 --> 00:47.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% SOUTH CENTRAL KENTUCKY NATIVE 00:46.400 --> 00:49.366 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% JACINDA TOWNSEND'S PATH TO 00:47.866 --> 00:50.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% LITERARY SUCCESS HAS BEEN 00:49.366 --> 00:52.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:40% SOMEWHAT CURVEY. 00:50.066 --> 00:53.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:60% A LOVER OF WRITING SINCE 00:52.166 --> 00:54.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% CHILDHOOD, TOWNSEND EXPLORED 00:53.633 --> 00:55.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% JOURNALISM AND LAW BEFORE 00:54.500 --> 00:57.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% RETURNING TO THE CRAFT THAT HAS 00:55.766 --> 00:59.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% GIVEN HER VOICE AND NOTORIETY IN 00:57.500 --> 01:02.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% THE FIELD OF LITERARY FICTION. 00:59.500 --> 01:03.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% SHE GRADUATED EARLY FROM WARREN 01:02.333 --> 01:05.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL AND ENTERED 01:03.633 --> 01:08.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% HARVARD AT THE AGE OF 16 WHERE 01:05.533 --> 01:08.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% SHE EARNED A POLITICAL SCIENCE 01:08.133 --> 01:10.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:17.5% DEGREE. 01:08.466 --> 01:10.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% SHE EARNED A LAW DEGREE FROM 01:10.133 --> 01:12.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:12.5% DUKE. 01:10.566 --> 01:14.366 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% WORKED AS A REPORTER AND A 01:12.233 --> 01:16.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% LAWYER BUT EVENTUALLY REKINDLED 01:14.366 --> 01:18.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% HER LOVE OF WRITING AND MADE 01:16.266 --> 01:20.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% THAT HER VOCATION ALONG WITH 01:18.566 --> 01:21.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% TEACHING CREATIVE WRITING AT 01:20.466 --> 01:24.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:47.5% INDIANA UNIVERSITY. 01:21.766 --> 01:26.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% HER DEBUT NOVEL IS SAINT MONKEY 01:24.166 --> 01:26.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:60% WINNING CRITICAL ACCLAIM 01:26.066 --> 01:28.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:27.5% NATIONWIDE. 01:26.666 --> 01:28.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% WE WELCOME JACINDA TOWNSEND TO 01:28.466 --> 01:30.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:30% CONNECTIONS. 01:28.866 --> 01:32.366 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% I FEEL LIKE I KNOW YOU. 01:30.466 --> 01:35.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% THE REASON WHY I DO IS BECAUSE I 01:32.366 --> 01:36.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% DID A LITTLE INTEL ON YOU BEFORE 01:35.466 --> 01:37.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:22.5% THE SHOW. 01:36.100 --> 01:39.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT YOUR 01:37.400 --> 01:40.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% BOOK BUT I ALWAYS LOVE TALKING 01:39.000 --> 01:41.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:55% TO WRITERS ABOUT THEIR 01:40.700 --> 01:43.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% UPBRINGING, THEIR PAST AND 01:41.966 --> 01:45.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% BECAUSE YOU REALLY DEAL SO MUCH 01:43.266 --> 01:47.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% IN YOUR WORK ABOUT SETTINGS AND 01:45.466 --> 01:50.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% PLACE AND THE CULTURE OF PLACE 01:47.400 --> 01:51.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% AND SO I TALKED TO A PERSON AND 01:50.000 --> 01:52.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% IT'S KIND OF LIKE THIS IS YOUR 01:51.700 --> 01:54.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:12.5% LIFE. 01:52.000 --> 01:54.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% SO I'LL LET YOU GUESS WHO THIS 01:54.100 --> 01:57.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:25% CAME FROM. 01:54.700 --> 01:57.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% A CHILDHOOD FRIEND OF YOURS. 01:57.600 --> 02:00.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:17.5% FEMALE. 01:57.933 --> 02:02.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% SHE TOLD ME YOU WERE SO SMART IN 02:00.466 --> 02:04.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% SCHOOL YOU WERE SKIPPED AT LEAST 02:02.666 --> 02:05.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:47.5% A GRADE, MAYBE TWO. 02:04.266 --> 02:06.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:55% SHE COULDN'T REMEMBER. 02:05.000 --> 02:07.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% SHE MET YOU IN THE FIFTH OR 02:06.800 --> 02:09.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% SIXTH GRADE AND YOU CAME TO 02:07.900 --> 02:11.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% CLASS WITH A BANDANA ON YOUR 02:09.800 --> 02:13.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% HEAD BECAUSE I THINK YOU PUT 02:11.300 --> 02:14.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% YOUR FINGER IN A SOCKET AND YOUR 02:13.600 --> 02:15.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:37.5% HAIR WAS FRIED. 02:14.333 --> 02:18.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% YOU CAN TELL ME IF THAT'S TRUE 02:15.900 --> 02:19.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% AND THIS FRIEND ALSO WAS THE 02:18.100 --> 02:22.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% INSPIRATION FOR A CHILDREN'S 02:19.500 --> 02:25.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% BOOK YOU WROTE, AND SHE COULD 02:22.200 --> 02:28.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% HAVE HELPED INSPIRE SOME OF THE 02:25.133 --> 02:31.366 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% DIALOGUE IN SAINT MONKEYS. 02:28.566 --> 02:32.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:45% >> THAT'S FRANCIS. 02:31.366 --> 02:34.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% >> Renee: FRANCIS GRAHAM. 02:32.133 --> 02:35.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% SHE WOULD NEVER LET ME PUT HER 02:34.133 --> 02:38.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:45% PICTURE ON CAMERA. 02:35.566 --> 02:39.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% I'VE KNOWN HER FOR A DECADE BUT 02:38.200 --> 02:41.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% THIS IS HER ONE SHOUT OUT. 02:39.966 --> 02:43.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:45% >> I LOVE FRANCIS. 02:41.533 --> 02:44.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% >> Renee: YOU KEEP IN TOUCH WITH 02:43.433 --> 02:47.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:45% HER ALL THIS TIME. 02:44.766 --> 02:48.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:50% >> I HAVE KNOWN HER. 02:47.000 --> 02:50.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% WE WERE A LOT LIKE THESE GIRLS 02:48.466 --> 02:51.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% WE WERE FRIENDS FROM FIFTH GRADE 02:50.300 --> 02:53.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE 02:51.466 --> 02:56.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:52.5% AND, YEAH, SHE IS THE 02:53.466 --> 02:57.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% INSPIRATION FOR A LOT OF THIS 02:56.800 --> 02:58.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:22.5% DIALOGUE. 02:57.200 --> 02:59.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:20% SO, YES. 02:58.333 --> 03:00.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:10% YES. 02:59.000 --> 03:02.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% >> Renee: I WON'T ASK HER IF SHE 03:00.666 --> 03:04.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:55% IS AUDREY OR CAROLINE. 03:02.700 --> 03:06.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:40% >> I'M NOT SURE. 03:04.266 --> 03:08.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% >> Renee: I'M NOT SURE EITHER. 03:06.466 --> 03:08.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% WE'LL TELL YOU WHO AUDREY AND 03:08.466 --> 03:11.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:32.5% CAROLINE ARE. 03:08.900 --> 03:11.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% IF YOU HAVE NOT READ SAINT 03:11.166 --> 03:13.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:50% MONKEY, HAVE YOU TO. 03:11.733 --> 03:14.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:47.5% IT IS A GREAT MOFL. 03:13.066 --> 03:16.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% DID SHE GET EVERYTHING RIGHT IN 03:14.766 --> 03:17.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% HER REMEMBRANCE ABOUT YOU BEING 03:16.400 --> 03:18.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% SO SMART THAT YOU WERE ADVANCED 03:17.633 --> 03:21.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:27.5% TWO GRADES. 03:18.233 --> 03:23.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% WE KNOW THAT YOU ENTERED HARVARD 03:21.100 --> 03:23.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% AT 16 SO THAT EXPLAINS SOME OF 03:23.200 --> 03:24.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:12.5% THAT. 03:23.566 --> 03:27.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:52.5% >> I SKIP TWO GRADES. 03:24.700 --> 03:28.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:27.5% YES, I DID. 03:27.000 --> 03:30.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% WTION WAS I SMART OR DID THEY 03:28.300 --> 03:31.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:55% WANT TO GET RID OF ME? 03:30.100 --> 03:32.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:50% PROBABLY THE LATTER. 03:31.900 --> 03:33.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% >> Renee: COMBINATION OF BOTH, 03:32.800 --> 03:36.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:50% LET'S JUST SAY THAT. 03:33.933 --> 03:37.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT 03:36.133 --> 03:39.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% BOWLING GREEN AND WE OFTEN HEAR 03:37.333 --> 03:40.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% WHEN THEY DESCRIBE YOU THEY SAY 03:39.100 --> 03:41.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% SOUTH CENTRAL KENTUCKY BECAUSE 03:40.233 --> 03:43.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW WHERE 03:41.833 --> 03:46.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% BOWLING GREEN IS BUT THAT WHOLE 03:43.433 --> 03:48.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% AREA THERE HAS REALLY GROWN JUST 03:46.433 --> 03:49.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% AS KENTUCKY HAS AND CHANGED AND 03:48.133 --> 03:51.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% YOU COME BACK FREQUENTLY ENOUGH. 03:49.733 --> 03:53.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% HOW HAVE YOU SEEN THAT AREA 03:51.133 --> 03:53.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% EVOLVE INTO MORE OF A MINI 03:53.066 --> 03:55.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:45% METROPOLITAN AREA? 03:53.866 --> 03:57.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% >> THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. 03:55.133 --> 04:01.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% SO WHEN I WAS LITTLE BECAUSE MY 03:57.533 --> 04:02.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% FAMILY IS FROM THERE GENERATIONS 04:01.300 --> 04:04.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% AND I REALLY GREW UP THERE FROM 04:02.900 --> 04:05.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% THE TIME I WAS TWO UNTIL THE 04:04.800 --> 04:09.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:30% TIME I LEFT. 04:05.500 --> 04:10.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% WHEN I WAS LITTLE, IT WAS, 04:09.533 --> 04:12.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% SCOTTS FIELD ROAD WAS A BIG 04:10.866 --> 04:13.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% FIELD AND WOULD I LAY OUT IN THE 04:12.233 --> 04:14.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% FIELD AND WATCH PLANES. 04:13.233 --> 04:18.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:52.5% THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC. 04:14.333 --> 04:21.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% THERE WAS NO GYM, NO MALL AND 04:18.533 --> 04:23.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% ALSO ALONG WITH THAT WAS THIS 04:21.233 --> 04:26.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% SORT OF VERY SMALL TOWN THING 04:23.766 --> 04:28.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% THAT COULD BE NICE AT TIMES. 04:26.866 --> 04:30.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% EVERYONE KNEW EVERYBODY AND NOT 04:28.066 --> 04:31.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% ONLY DID THEY KNOW EVERYBODY BUT 04:30.466 --> 04:33.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% EVERYBODY KNEW EVERYBODY'S 04:31.566 --> 04:34.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% GRANDMOTHER AND EVERYBODY KNEW 04:33.666 --> 04:35.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:47.5% EVERYBODY'S MOTHER. 04:34.200 --> 04:35.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% >> Renee: YOU COULDN'T GET IN 04:35.066 --> 04:38.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:45% TROUBLE WITHOUT... 04:35.866 --> 04:38.366 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% >> YOU COULDN'T GET IN TROUBLE 04:38.066 --> 04:40.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:12.5% EVER. 04:38.366 --> 04:43.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% SO I ALWAYS TOLD MY DAUGHTER I 04:40.466 --> 04:43.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% HAD TO BE MUCH SNEAKIER THAN 04:43.600 --> 04:46.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:10% YOU. 04:43.866 --> 04:48.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:22.5% YOU KNOW? 04:46.000 --> 04:49.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% BUT NOW WHEN I GO BACK I'M JUST 04:48.833 --> 04:50.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:25% ASTOUNDED. 04:49.200 --> 04:53.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% I REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, IN THE 04:50.700 --> 04:55.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% 80s WHEN YOU WOULD FIRST START 04:53.200 --> 04:56.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% SEEING IN WAL-MART PEOPLE WHO 04:55.033 --> 04:56.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% LOOKED A LITTLE DIFFERENT, 04:56.500 --> 04:58.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:15% RIGHT. 04:56.800 --> 05:01.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% PEOPLE WHO HAD COME FROM OTHER 04:58.400 --> 05:03.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% COUNTRIES, PEOPLE WHO WERE MAYBE 05:01.400 --> 05:06.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% MUSLIM OR WHATEVER AND NOW, OF 05:03.300 --> 05:06.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% COURSE, IT HAS GROWN TO BE SO 05:06.200 --> 05:08.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:10% BIG. 05:06.500 --> 05:10.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% I GO TO WAL-MART AND I DON'T 05:08.500 --> 05:10.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:32.5% KNOW ANYBODY. 05:10.400 --> 05:12.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:10% BUT. 05:10.700 --> 05:17.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% >> Renee: BUT THEY ALL KNOW YOU 05:12.200 --> 05:18.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% BECAUSE YOU WERE IN THE 05:17.000 --> 05:19.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% DISTINGUISHED ALUMNI HALL OF 05:18.066 --> 05:20.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% FAME WHERE YOU GRADUATED SO 05:19.500 --> 05:22.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% THEY'RE VERY PROUD OF YOU AND 05:20.733 --> 05:24.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% THE BOOK SAINT MONKEY, THE 05:22.833 --> 05:26.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% SETTING IS MOUNT STERLING 05:24.733 --> 05:28.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% KENTUCKY AND THEY'RE VERY PROUD 05:26.833 --> 05:29.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% TO BE PART OF THIS FICTIONAL 05:28.133 --> 05:31.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% SETTING SO A LOT OF FOLKS ARE 05:29.833 --> 05:32.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% REALLY ROOTING FOR YOU AND VERY 05:31.200 --> 05:32.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:55% PROUD OF YOUR SUCCESS. 05:32.166 --> 05:34.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:32.5% >> THANK YOU. 05:32.833 --> 05:34.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% >> Renee: DID YOU EVER SEE THAT 05:34.200 --> 05:36.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:17.5% COMING? 05:34.833 --> 05:37.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:15% >> NO. 05:36.733 --> 05:37.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:7.5% NO. 05:37.233 --> 05:38.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:15% NEVER. 05:37.666 --> 05:42.366 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:40% >> Renee: NEVER? 05:38.200 --> 05:43.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% >> I HAD ALWAYS... I WOULDN'T 05:42.366 --> 05:45.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% SAY I ALWAYS THOUGHT I WOULD BE 05:43.466 --> 05:46.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% A WRITER BUT I ALWAYS DID WRITE 05:45.766 --> 05:48.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:20% STORIES. 05:46.500 --> 05:52.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% I WROTE SCREEN PLAYS WHEN I WAS 05:48.433 --> 05:54.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% LITTLE, YOU KNOW, AND I KIND OF 05:52.466 --> 05:56.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% GOT AWAY FROM THAT AS A TEEN 05:54.466 --> 05:57.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:45% THOUGH AND THEN... 05:56.066 --> 05:59.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:55% >> Renee: WHY IS THAT? 05:57.066 --> 06:02.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% >> I THINK, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE 05:59.866 --> 06:03.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% TELL YOUNG PEOPLE THAT THEY 06:02.233 --> 06:05.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% CANNOT HAVE A SUSTAINABLE LIFE 06:03.933 --> 06:07.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% IN THE ARTS, YOU KNOW, AND I 06:05.933 --> 06:08.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% CERTAINLY WAS TOLD THAT OVER AND 06:07.533 --> 06:10.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% OVER AGAIN THAT EVERY TIME I 06:08.833 --> 06:11.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% WOULD SAY THEN I'LL GO TO LAW 06:10.666 --> 06:14.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:17.5% SCHOOL. 06:11.333 --> 06:14.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT 06:14.066 --> 06:15.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:12.5% IDEA. 06:14.566 --> 06:16.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:37.5% >> Renee: SURE. 06:15.100 --> 06:16.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% >> SO THAT'S WHAT I ENDED UP 06:16.266 --> 06:19.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:15% DOING. 06:16.566 --> 06:21.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% IT WASN'T UNTIL MUCH LATER THAT 06:19.966 --> 06:24.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% I LEARNED FROM PEOPLE ALL AROUND 06:21.800 --> 06:25.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% ME THAT, YES, YOU CAN HAVE A 06:24.266 --> 06:26.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% SUSTAINABLE LIFE IN THE ARTS AND 06:25.266 --> 06:28.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% YOU DON'T HAVE TO STARVE AND YOU 06:26.866 --> 06:30.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% DON'T HAVE TO BE BEYONCE. 06:28.533 --> 06:30.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN 06:30.100 --> 06:32.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:20% BETWEEN. 06:30.433 --> 06:32.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% >> Renee: A LOT OF THINGS IN 06:32.200 --> 06:34.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:20% BETWEEN. 06:32.533 --> 06:37.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% AND YOUR MOTHER WAS A HIGH 06:34.400 --> 06:38.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% SCHOOL ENGLISH TEACHER, RIGHT? 06:37.800 --> 06:39.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:17.5% >> YES. 06:38.200 --> 06:41.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% >> Renee: SO I'M SURE SHE HAD A 06:39.866 --> 06:42.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% LIBRARY OF BOOKS FOR YOU AND 06:41.166 --> 06:43.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:30% YOUR SISTER. 06:42.266 --> 06:45.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% >> YES, AND SHE WOULD ALWAYS, 06:43.300 --> 06:48.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% WHEN I WAS LITTLE, HAVE A... WE 06:45.500 --> 06:51.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% HAD CONTACT PAPER AND WE WOULD 06:48.500 --> 06:53.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% PUT THE PAPER IN AND STAPLE IT 06:51.233 --> 06:58.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% AND MAKE LITTLE BOOKS AND 06:53.033 --> 06:58.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:60% ILLUSTRATE IT OURSELVES. 06:58.000 --> 07:01.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% >> Renee: WHO KNEW WOULD YOU 06:58.766 --> 07:01.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% HAVE IT HARD BOUND A FEW DECADES 07:01.266 --> 07:03.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:15% LATER. 07:01.566 --> 07:04.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% >> MY FATHER WORKED AT GENERAL 07:03.000 --> 07:05.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% ELECTRIC IN LOUISVILLE. 07:04.400 --> 07:05.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% >> Renee: HE WOULD COMMUTE. 07:05.200 --> 07:08.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:25% >> HE DID. 07:05.700 --> 07:08.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% TWO HOURS SO I CAN'T BELIEVE IT 07:08.400 --> 07:10.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:10% NOW. 07:08.666 --> 07:12.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:27.5% BUT HE DID. 07:10.300 --> 07:13.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% >> Renee: SO I IMAGINE THAT THE 07:12.100 --> 07:14.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% EXPECTATIONS IN THE HOUSE WERE 07:13.500 --> 07:15.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% PRETTY HIGH FOR YOU AND YOUR 07:14.900 --> 07:17.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:17.5% SISTER. 07:15.233 --> 07:18.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% YOUR SISTER ALSO WENT TO AN IVY 07:17.600 --> 07:20.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:35% LEAGUE SCHOOL. 07:18.300 --> 07:21.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:60% >> SHE WENT TO STANFORD. 07:20.066 --> 07:22.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% >> Renee: AND WORKS FOR ANIMAL 07:21.333 --> 07:23.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:35% RIGHTS GROUPS. 07:22.333 --> 07:26.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:30% >> SHE DOES. 07:23.133 --> 07:27.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% >> Renee: YOU ALL TOOK MORE 07:26.166 --> 07:29.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% CREATIVE HUMANITARIAN PATHS. 07:27.666 --> 07:30.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% >> YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS 07:29.033 --> 07:32.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% SOMETHING THAT WAS ALWAYS KIND 07:30.433 --> 07:34.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% OF STRESSED IN OUR HOUSE, TOO, 07:32.533 --> 07:38.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% WAS THAT WE NEEDED TO GIVE BACK 07:34.900 --> 07:41.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% TO THE WORLD, SO I HOPE WE ARE 07:38.633 --> 07:43.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:40% BOTH DOING THAT. 07:41.433 --> 07:44.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:40% I I KNOW SHE IS. 07:43.466 --> 07:45.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:30% I HOPE I AM. 07:44.400 --> 07:46.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% >> Renee: YOU ARE DOING THAT. 07:45.266 --> 07:48.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% WHEN YOU WENT TO HARVARD, YOU 07:46.566 --> 07:50.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% WENT THERE AT 16 AND WHEN I WAS 07:48.566 --> 07:52.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% DOING SOME RESEARCH ABOUT YOU, I 07:50.066 --> 07:54.366 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% RAN ACROSS AN ARTICLE THAT "THE 07:52.333 --> 07:56.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% WASHINGTON POST" RECENTLY WROTE 07:54.366 --> 07:58.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% ABOUT AN INCIDENT AT HARVARD 07:56.966 --> 07:59.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% RELATING TO THE CONFEDERATE 07:58.766 --> 08:01.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:12.5% FLAG. 07:59.066 --> 08:02.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% NOW YOUR FRIEND FRANCIS HAS SAID 08:01.133 --> 08:03.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% I REMEMBER SOMETHING ABOUT SHE 08:02.266 --> 08:05.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% WAS GOING TO BE ON ONE OF THOSE 08:03.833 --> 08:06.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% MORNING TALK SHOWS ON SUNDAY 08:05.233 --> 08:08.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% MORNING BUT THEN THE PRESIDENT, 08:06.700 --> 08:09.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% WHO WAS RONALD REAGAN AT THE 08:08.000 --> 08:10.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% TIME WAS SHOT, AND THAT 08:09.666 --> 08:12.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% INTERRUPTED THE STORY THAT THEY 08:10.933 --> 08:13.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% WERE GOING TO DO ABOUT WHAT 08:12.266 --> 08:14.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% HAPPENED AT HARVARD AT THE TIME. 08:13.866 --> 08:20.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:37.5% SHE REMEMBERED. 08:14.800 --> 08:21.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% BUT TO GET BACK TO CIRCA 2015, 08:20.966 --> 08:23.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% "THE WASHINGTON POST" ARTICLE 08:21.666 --> 08:26.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:35% WAS HEADLINED. 08:23.466 --> 08:29.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% THIS WAS JULY, WHEN THE 08:26.700 --> 08:32.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% CONFEDERATE FLAG FLEW AT HARVARD 08:29.466 --> 08:35.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% AND IT RAN SHORTLY AFTER THE 08:32.000 --> 08:37.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% SHOOTING AT THE CHARLESTON NINE 08:35.700 --> 08:39.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% BUT IT DETAILS WHEN A STUDENT 08:37.600 --> 08:42.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% HUNG A CONFEDERATE FLAG OUTSIDE 08:39.500 --> 08:45.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% OF HER DORM ROOM IN 1991 AND 08:42.300 --> 08:49.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% THEN IT SAYS AND WHEN A JACINDA 08:45.700 --> 08:51.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:47.5% TOWNSEND RESPONDED. 08:49.300 --> 08:51.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% THEN THAT REALLY IGNITED A 08:51.233 --> 08:53.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:30% CONTROVERSY. 08:51.633 --> 08:57.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% SO TELL US ABOUT THAT INCIDENT 08:53.733 --> 08:57.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% AND WHAT YOUR RESPONSE WAS. 08:57.233 --> 08:59.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:20% >> SURE. 08:57.633 --> 09:00.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% SO SHE HAD HUNG THIS CONFEDERATE 08:59.333 --> 09:03.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% FLAG AND SHE WAS CLAIMING THAT 09:00.900 --> 09:06.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% IT WAS NOT ABOUT RACISM, THAT IT 09:03.100 --> 09:08.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% WAS ABOUT HER SOUTHERN HERITAGE 09:06.633 --> 09:10.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% AND PRIDE, AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, 09:08.933 --> 09:12.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% IT WAS REALLY HURTFUL TO A LOT 09:10.633 --> 09:15.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% OF PEOPLE THAT THIS WAS HANGING 09:12.033 --> 09:17.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% IN A PLACE THAT MADE US FEEL A 09:15.233 --> 09:20.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% LITTLE BIT UNSAFE FRANKLY. 09:17.233 --> 09:23.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% AND AS I HAD SAID AT THE TIME I 09:20.233 --> 09:24.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% ASSOCIATE THAT WITH CLAN RALLIES 09:23.333 --> 09:34.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% AND I DON'T WANT TO WALK BY AND 09:24.933 --> 09:39.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% SEE THAT EVERY DAY AND I SPRAY 09:34.166 --> 09:43.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% PAINTED A SWAS CA AND PAINTED 09:39.666 --> 09:50.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:17.5% RACISM. 09:43.666 --> 09:53.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% IT FORCED A MUCH BIGGER DIALOGUE 09:50.800 --> 09:55.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT 09:53.200 --> 09:57.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% EQUATE THE TWO AND THAT WAS 09:55.633 --> 09:59.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% TAKEN MUCH MORE SERIOUSLY BY THE 09:57.600 --> 10:01.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% COLLEGE ADMINISTRATION. 09:59.933 --> 10:02.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% >> Renee: YOUR ACTION WITH THE 10:01.033 --> 10:05.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% SWASTIKA WAS TAKEN MORE 10:02.533 --> 10:05.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% SERIOUSLY THAN THE CONFEDERATE 10:05.300 --> 10:08.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:12.5% FLAG. 10:05.600 --> 10:12.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% >> AND I WAS ENCOURAGED TO TAKE 10:08.800 --> 10:14.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% IT DOWN AND I KIND OF HELD FAST 10:12.500 --> 10:18.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:52.5% FOR A VERY LONG TIME. 10:14.100 --> 10:20.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% FINALLY IT BEGAN SO DIVISIVE 10:18.133 --> 10:20.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% THAT I FELT LIKE I HAD MADE MY 10:20.633 --> 10:23.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:15% POINT. 10:20.933 --> 10:25.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% >> Renee: HAD YOU NOT DONE IT IT 10:23.433 --> 10:26.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% MAYBE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THE 10:25.533 --> 10:29.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% UNIVERSITY CONFRONT THESE 10:26.633 --> 10:30.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% SYMBOLS AND WHAT IT MEANS TO A 10:29.033 --> 10:32.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% MINORITY POPULATION ON CAMPUS 10:30.733 --> 10:34.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% PAYING THE SAME MONEY TO GO 10:32.666 --> 10:35.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% THERE AS THE ONE HANGING THE 10:34.766 --> 10:37.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:42.5% CONFEDERATE FLAG. 10:35.566 --> 10:40.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% GIVEN THE YEAR THAT 2015 HAS 10:37.000 --> 10:42.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% BEEN SO FAR WITH NOT JUST THE 10:40.066 --> 10:43.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% CONFEDERATE FLAG TAKEN DOWN OFF 10:42.133 --> 10:45.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% THE CAPITOL GROUNDS BUT THE 10:43.133 --> 10:47.366 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% DEBATE ACROSS THE NATION, WE ARE 10:45.566 --> 10:49.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% HAVING IN KENTUCKY WE ARE HAVING 10:47.366 --> 10:52.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% IT ABOUT THE JEFFERSON DAVIS 10:49.966 --> 10:55.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% STATUE INSIDE THE ROW TUNDA AND 10:52.400 --> 10:57.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:37.5% IT WILL REMAIN. 10:55.700 --> 10:58.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT THE 10:57.300 --> 11:01.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% CONFEDERATE FLAG AND WHAT IT 10:58.300 --> 11:02.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% STANDS FOR AND STILL WHAT IT 11:01.133 --> 11:12.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% SYMBOLIZES TO AFRICAN AMERICANS 11:02.633 --> 11:13.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% AND THOSE OF AFRICAN DESCENT. 11:12.100 --> 11:14.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% >> I'M LESS CONFLICTED THAN I 11:13.400 --> 11:15.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:22.5% WAS THEN. 11:14.000 --> 11:17.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% I'VE LIVED A LOT OF PLACES WHERE 11:15.600 --> 11:19.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% PEOPLE WOULD NEVER HANG THAT, 11:17.300 --> 11:22.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% WHERE PEOPLE ARE MORE SENSITIVE 11:19.300 --> 11:25.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% TO OTHERS FEELINGS AND, YOU 11:22.566 --> 11:27.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% KNOW, I FEEL NOW AS AN ADULT 11:25.500 --> 11:31.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% EVEN MORE STRONGLY THAT WHEN 11:27.733 --> 11:35.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% SOMEONE TELLS YOU THAT AN ACTION 11:31.833 --> 11:40.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% HURTS THEM FOR YOU TO THEN SAY 11:35.600 --> 11:40.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:60% BUT IS A LITTLE STRANGE. 11:40.000 --> 11:42.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% >> Renee: IF YOU ARE JUST 11:40.833 --> 11:44.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% JOINING US, WE ARE HAVING A 11:42.933 --> 11:46.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% DELIGHTFUL CONVERSATION WITH 11:44.133 --> 11:48.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% JACINDA TOWNSEND AUTHOR OF AIN'T 11:46.966 --> 11:49.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% MONKEY YOU CAN GET AT ANY 11:48.466 --> 11:50.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:47.5% BOOKSTORE NEAR YOU. 11:49.033 --> 11:51.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER 11:50.133 --> 11:53.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% PARTS OF YOUR LIFE BEFORE YOU 11:51.433 --> 11:54.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:45% BECAME A NOVELIST. 11:53.133 --> 11:56.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% AS I SAID, YOU WANT TO HARVARD. 11:54.866 --> 11:58.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% YOU GOT A POLITICAL SCIENCE 11:56.733 --> 11:59.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% DEGREE, A LAW DEGREE FROM DUKE. 11:58.233 --> 12:02.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% YOU WORKED AS A REPORTER. 11:59.900 --> 12:04.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% YOU WORKED AS A LAWYER. 12:02.233 --> 12:06.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% SO DID JOURNALISM SIDE OF YOU, 12:04.233 --> 12:08.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% DID THAT NOT ALLOW TO YOU 12:06.933 --> 12:10.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:60% EXERCISE MAYBE THIS MORE 12:08.633 --> 12:11.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% CREATIVE SIDE THAT YOU ARE ABLE 12:10.133 --> 12:13.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% TO EXPLORE NOW BECAUSE LIFE CAN 12:11.833 --> 12:15.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% BE STRANGER THAN FICTION. 12:13.833 --> 12:18.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% >> YES, AND I THINK IN SOME WAYS 12:15.833 --> 12:19.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% I WAS A TERRIBLE JOURNALIST 12:18.833 --> 12:21.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:40% BECAUSE OF THAT. 12:19.533 --> 12:23.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% I WOULD CALL PEOPLE AND BE 12:21.966 --> 12:25.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% INTERVIEWING THEM FOR MY STORY 12:23.666 --> 12:29.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% AND MY MIND WOULD GO TO ALL 12:25.466 --> 12:30.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% THESE OTHER PLACES, YOU KNOW, 12:29.033 --> 12:36.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% LIKE BUT WHAT DID YOUR MOTHER 12:30.633 --> 12:37.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:42.5% THINK ABOUT THAT. 12:36.400 --> 12:39.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% >> Renee: MAYBE NOT ANYWHERE 12:37.166 --> 12:39.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% RELATED TO THE STORY, RIGHT? 12:39.000 --> 12:42.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:27.5% >> EXACTLY. 12:39.466 --> 12:45.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% WHAT I WROTE ON TV, YOU KNOW ON 12:42.200 --> 12:46.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% TV IT HAS TO BE SHORT AND SWEET 12:45.000 --> 12:47.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% AND COULD I NEVER QUITE REALLY 12:46.133 --> 12:48.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:20% DO THAT. 12:47.100 --> 12:51.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:37.5% AND IT'S FUNNY. 12:48.500 --> 12:53.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% SO WHEN I WENT AND GOT MY 12:51.600 --> 12:55.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% M.F.A., THAT'S ALL ABOUT WRITING 12:53.300 --> 12:57.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% SHORT STORIES AND I WOULD WRITE 12:55.100 --> 12:58.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% A 20 PAGE STORY AND PEOPLE WOULD 12:57.300 --> 13:00.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:25% BE LIKE... 12:58.500 --> 13:00.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% >> Renee: THAT'S NOT A SHORT 13:00.200 --> 13:02.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:15% STORY. 13:00.500 --> 13:05.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% >> THIS IS LIKE A 300 PAGE 13:02.200 --> 13:06.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:40% PIECE, YOU KNOW. 13:05.200 --> 13:08.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% >> Renee: MFA, MASTERS IN FINE 13:06.766 --> 13:10.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% ARTS FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT KNOW. 13:08.700 --> 13:12.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% WHEN YOU DABLED AT THAT IN DUKE, 13:10.600 --> 13:13.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% YOU TOOK A CREATIVE WRITING 13:12.500 --> 13:15.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% CLASS AND THAT SPARKED THE LOVE 13:13.900 --> 13:17.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% YOU HAD AS A CHILD AND THAT SET 13:15.600 --> 13:17.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% YOU ON YOUR COURSE, RIGHT? 13:17.433 --> 13:18.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:17.5% >> YES. 13:17.833 --> 13:19.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% >> Renee: YOU KNEW HAD YOU TO 13:18.733 --> 13:21.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:17.5% RETURN. 13:19.066 --> 13:23.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:22.5% >> I DID. 13:21.833 --> 13:25.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% >> Renee: IOWA WORK WRITERS 13:23.933 --> 13:25.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% WORKSHOP, THAT IS NOT FOR A 13:25.433 --> 13:27.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:12.5% SLOP. 13:25.733 --> 13:28.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST 13:27.466 --> 13:29.366 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% INCREDIBLE CREATIVE WRITING 13:28.466 --> 13:31.366 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% PROGRAMS IN THE NATION. 13:29.366 --> 13:37.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% SO FOR TO YOU GET THERE AND DO 13:31.366 --> 13:39.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% AS WELL AS YOU DID I'M SURE YOU 13:37.666 --> 13:40.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% LEARNED A LOT FROM THE ROOKIE 13:39.000 --> 13:40.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% THAT YOU WERE WHEN YOU GOT 13:40.433 --> 13:43.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:15% THERE. 13:40.733 --> 13:43.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% >> I WAS A BABY WHEN I GOT 13:43.166 --> 13:44.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:15% THERE. 13:43.466 --> 13:45.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% >> Renee: HOW OLD WERE YOU THEN? 13:44.466 --> 13:49.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% >> I WAS PRETTY OLD BECAUSE I 13:45.733 --> 13:50.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:55% HAD... NOT PRETTY OLD. 13:49.300 --> 13:52.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% >> Renee: RELATIVELY FROM THE 13:50.200 --> 13:54.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:52.5% 16, YEAH, AT HARVARD. 13:52.500 --> 13:57.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% >> I WAS 27 WHEN I WENT THERE. 13:54.666 --> 13:58.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% SO I HAD LIVED IN NEW YORK FOR A 13:57.800 --> 14:01.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:15% WHILE. 13:58.100 --> 14:02.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% I WAS OUT OF LAW SCHOOL BY THEN. 14:01.500 --> 14:03.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:20% I HAD... 14:02.433 --> 14:04.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% >> Renee: WERE YOU PRACTICING 14:03.666 --> 14:04.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:10% LAW? 14:04.066 --> 14:06.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:22.5% >> I WAS. 14:04.700 --> 14:09.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% I WAS PRACTICING LAW WHEN I GOT 14:06.300 --> 14:11.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% THE LETTER FROM IOWA AND I 14:09.200 --> 14:13.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD... IF 14:11.166 --> 14:15.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% I STAYED AND DID THIS FOR 14:13.166 --> 14:16.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:60% ANOTHER COUPLE OF YEARS, 14:15.166 --> 14:17.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% FINANCIALLY I WOULD BE SITTING 14:16.133 --> 14:26.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% PRETTY BUT I JUST COULDN'T. 14:17.866 --> 14:27.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% I REALLY NEEDED TO GO DO THIS. 14:26.433 --> 14:30.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:45% I'M SO GLAD I DID. 14:27.533 --> 14:32.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% HAVE I NO REGRETS WHATSOEVER. 14:30.333 --> 14:34.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% I WAS A BABY WHEN I GOT THERE. 14:32.333 --> 14:39.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% I HAD TEACHERS THAT WERE AMAZING 14:34.533 --> 14:41.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% ON EVERY LEVEL FROM WRITING TO 14:39.533 --> 14:43.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% THE BIG PICTURE OF THE STORY. 14:41.400 --> 14:44.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% IOWA CITY IS ONE OF THESE PLACE 14:43.566 --> 14:45.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% WHERE PEOPLE REALLY CARE ABOUT 14:44.966 --> 14:46.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:15% WORDS. 14:45.266 --> 14:47.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% THERE ARE LOTS OF READERS AND 14:46.966 --> 14:49.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:45% WRITERS COMING IN. 14:47.666 --> 14:50.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% IT WAS AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE. 14:49.633 --> 14:54.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% >> Renee: NOW THAT YOU ARE IN 14:50.733 --> 14:55.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% THE TEACHER'S ROLE, I'VE READ 14:54.166 --> 14:56.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% ONE THING I HEARD YOU SAY, DON'T 14:55.966 --> 14:57.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:35% WRITE LIKE ME. 14:56.900 --> 14:58.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:50% WRITE LIKE YOURSELF. 14:57.700 --> 15:01.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% IT'S HARD FOR AWFUL US BECAUSE 14:58.966 --> 15:03.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WE ADMIRE. 15:01.033 --> 15:04.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% I ADMIRE YOUR WRITING, THE VIVID 15:03.233 --> 15:10.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% INSTRUCTION YOU GIVE, THE DICKS, 15:04.533 --> 15:12.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% THE WAY IT FLOWS, THE IF I COULD 15:10.033 --> 15:14.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% WRITE LIKE THAT BUT HOW DO YOU 15:12.233 --> 15:14.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% NOT TRANSLATE TO LET ME COPY 15:14.400 --> 15:16.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:12.5% THAT. 15:14.700 --> 15:19.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% THAT'S PRETTY HARD TO LEARN TO 15:16.166 --> 15:22.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% DO, TO FIND YOUR OWN VOICE. 15:19.666 --> 15:28.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:17.5% >> YES. 15:22.233 --> 15:30.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% MY STUDENTS ARE NERVOUS ABOUT 15:28.766 --> 15:32.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% THEIR EXPERIMENTAL URGES. 15:30.233 --> 15:34.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% I SAY GO FOR IT AND I WORK 15:32.400 --> 15:36.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% WITHIN THEIR FRAMEWORK AND SAY 15:34.500 --> 15:38.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% WELL, I THINK FOR WHAT YOU ARE 15:36.300 --> 15:38.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% DOING THIS IS MAYBE NOT WORKING 15:38.300 --> 15:41.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:20% SO WELL. 15:38.833 --> 15:42.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% >> Renee: IS THERE ANY WRONG WAY 15:41.300 --> 15:43.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:22.5% TO WRITE? 15:42.200 --> 15:44.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% >> I ALWAYS SAY I CAN'T TELL YOU 15:43.600 --> 15:46.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:27.5% WHAT TO DO. 15:44.500 --> 15:48.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% I CAN TELL YOU WHAT IS NOT 15:46.100 --> 15:52.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% WORKING THAT YOU ARE DOING. 15:48.933 --> 15:53.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:55% >> Renee: RIGHT, SURE. 15:52.033 --> 15:55.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% FOR YOU, WHAT GOES INTO MAKING 15:53.833 --> 15:57.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:52.5% THE NEXT GREAT NOVEL? 15:55.066 --> 15:57.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% WHAT IS EITHER THE PROCESS, THE 15:57.233 --> 15:59.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:30% INGREDIENTS. 15:57.633 --> 16:01.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN YOU FINISH 15:59.733 --> 16:03.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% SAINT MONKEY, HOW DID YOU KNOW 16:01.800 --> 16:06.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% OKAY, THIS IS PRETTY GOOD. 16:03.700 --> 16:09.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD SAY IN 16:06.533 --> 16:12.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% BOWLING GREEN DAG GONE GOOD. 16:09.333 --> 16:14.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% >> I WAS AFRAID AT THE END. 16:12.333 --> 16:19.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% I THINK THOUGH THERE IS A POINT 16:14.733 --> 16:21.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% AND THAT'S SUCH A GREAT 16:19.666 --> 16:22.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:22.5% QUESTION. 16:21.166 --> 16:24.366 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% THERE WAS A POINT FOR ME THAT 16:22.833 --> 16:26.366 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH 16:24.366 --> 16:27.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% TECHNIQUE AND HAS TO DO WITH 16:26.366 --> 16:28.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% THIS BENT WAY OF LOOKING AT THE 16:27.966 --> 16:30.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:15% WORLD. 16:28.266 --> 16:32.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% AND I DON'T HAVE IT EVERY DAY, I 16:30.633 --> 16:33.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% REALLY DON'T BUT SOME DAYS I'M 16:32.166 --> 16:35.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% REALLY IN THERE WITH IT AND 16:33.266 --> 16:37.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% THOSE ARE THE DAYS I TRY TO WORK 16:35.433 --> 16:39.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% AND CREATE AND THEN ON THE OTHER 16:37.466 --> 16:41.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% DAYS I MAYBE EDIT, YOU KNOW. 16:39.733 --> 16:48.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% BUT I'M WORKING ON A NOVEL NOW 16:41.866 --> 16:49.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% AND I HAVE A PLOT BUT I'M STILL 16:48.066 --> 16:52.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% AT THE POINT WHERE I THINK THE 16:49.566 --> 16:52.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:32.5% PLOT IS LAME. 16:52.066 --> 16:53.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% >> Renee: INTERNATIONAL 16:52.766 --> 16:57.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:22.5% ADOPTION? 16:53.266 --> 16:59.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% >> THAT'S THE ONE I FINISHED. 16:57.266 --> 17:01.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% THIS IS ONE WHERE THIS WOMAN HAS 16:59.500 --> 17:04.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% A RUNNING CRAIG'S LIST AD AND 17:01.966 --> 17:04.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% SHE BUYS BOOKS AND SHE MEETS ALL 17:04.266 --> 17:06.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:32.5% THESE PEOPLE. 17:04.700 --> 17:07.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:47.5% SO IT'S ABOUT THAT. 17:06.466 --> 17:07.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% >> Renee: THAT DOESN'T SOUND 17:07.466 --> 17:08.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:10% BAD. 17:07.733 --> 17:10.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:45% >> WELL THANK YOU. 17:08.866 --> 17:13.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:60% >> Renee: I'D READ THAT. 17:10.800 --> 17:14.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:32.5% >> THANK YOU. 17:13.266 --> 17:18.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% >> Renee: BEFORE SAINT MONKEY 17:14.200 --> 17:19.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% THERE WAS A MANUSCRIPT THAT 17:18.300 --> 17:21.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% DIDN'T QUITE FLY AND YOU TALKED 17:19.800 --> 17:23.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% ABOUT THIS THAT THAT WORK WAS 17:21.500 --> 17:24.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:40% DEEMED TOO GRIP. 17:23.100 --> 17:25.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% YOU SAID THE WORDS IT DIDN'T 17:24.600 --> 17:26.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:40% HAVE ENOUGH AIR. 17:25.400 --> 17:27.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% THAT WAS AN INTERESTING TURN OF 17:26.833 --> 17:28.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:22.5% A PHRASE. 17:27.400 --> 17:31.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT YOU'VE 17:28.800 --> 17:32.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% GIVEN AIR TO A WORK AND THAT 17:31.300 --> 17:35.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% IT'S NOT SO GRIM AND HEAVY THAT 17:32.700 --> 17:36.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% IT BOGS THE READER DOWN TOO 17:35.533 --> 17:36.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:12.5% MUCH? 17:36.533 --> 17:38.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:22.5% >> RIGHT. 17:36.966 --> 17:38.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% I TELL MY STUDENTS THIS IS A 17:38.233 --> 17:41.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:27.5% TRUE STORY. 17:38.733 --> 17:42.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% THERE WAS A BRIDE WHO HAD A SIX 17:41.600 --> 17:43.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:25% FOOT CAKE. 17:42.233 --> 17:45.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% SO SHE GOT UP ON THIS LADDER TO 17:43.900 --> 17:46.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% CUT THE CAKE AND THE CAKE FELL 17:45.533 --> 17:49.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% OVER BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAVE 17:46.833 --> 17:49.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% ENOUGH AIR FOR WHAT IT WAS, YOU 17:49.133 --> 17:51.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:12.5% KNOW. 17:49.433 --> 17:55.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% AND I THINK NOVELS, ESPECIALLY 17:51.733 --> 17:58.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% NOVELS ARE SO SIMILAR BECAUSE 17:55.466 --> 18:02.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% THEY'RE SO, SO WHEN YOU PUT AIR 17:58.866 --> 18:03.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% IN, YOU PUT A CHARACTER SORT OF 18:02.100 --> 18:06.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% FIGHTING BACK AGAINST THE WORLD 18:03.333 --> 18:09.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% OR YOU PUT THEIR SENSE OF HUMOR 18:06.033 --> 18:12.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% OR YOU PUT SOME PLOT THAT IS 18:09.133 --> 18:18.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% JUST A LITTLE MORE AVAILABLE FOR 18:12.433 --> 18:20.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% SORT OF LIGHT HEARTEDNESS 18:18.533 --> 18:20.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE ALL 18:20.233 --> 18:22.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:22.5% STRUGGLE. 18:20.600 --> 18:25.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:52.5% IT CAN'T BE ALL PAIN. 18:22.433 --> 18:25.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% I THINK A LOT OF YOUNGER WRITERS 18:25.166 --> 18:27.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% PARTICULARLY THINK THAT'S WHAT 18:25.900 --> 18:31.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% IT MEANS TO BE A SERIOUS WRITER 18:27.566 --> 18:33.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% IS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE 18:31.166 --> 18:36.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% CANCER FOR 20 YEARS OR, YOU 18:33.666 --> 18:37.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% KNOW, DIE IN CAR WRECKS AND NOT 18:36.066 --> 18:38.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:17.5% AT ALL. 18:37.166 --> 18:40.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% >> Renee: BECAUSE THIS BOOK DOES 18:38.866 --> 18:42.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% HAVE SOME VERY COMPLEX ISSUES 18:40.766 --> 18:44.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:60% AND HEAVYWEIGHTY ISSUES. 18:42.700 --> 18:46.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% SEGREGATION, SEXISM, POVERTY, 18:44.733 --> 18:47.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% ALL OF THAT IS CONFRONTED BUT 18:46.266 --> 18:51.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% THERE ARE SOME VERY LIGHT 18:47.800 --> 18:53.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% MOMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, TERN 18:51.700 --> 18:54.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% YOUR FROWN UPSIDE DOWN. 18:53.100 --> 18:56.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% THAT'S PROBABLY VERY APPEALING 18:54.533 --> 18:57.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, AS YOU SAY, 18:56.466 --> 18:59.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:35% GIVING IT AIR. 18:57.266 --> 18:59.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:60% SO YOU LEARNED FROM THAT 18:59.100 --> 19:00.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:20% FIRST... 18:59.433 --> 19:02.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:22.5% >> I DID. 19:00.566 --> 19:03.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% AND I'LL TELL YOU, THERE IS A 19:02.300 --> 19:05.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% SCENE IN HERE, THIS ISN'T TOO 19:03.900 --> 19:08.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% MUCH OF A SPOILER ALERT BUT 19:05.533 --> 19:10.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% THERE IS A SCENE IN HERE THAT I 19:08.466 --> 19:10.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% LAUGHED EVERY SINGLE TIME I 19:10.266 --> 19:13.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:27.5% REVISED IT. 19:10.800 --> 19:15.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% I LAUGHED MORE AND MORE AND 19:13.066 --> 19:19.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% THAT'S WHEN SHE BRINGS HER 19:15.866 --> 19:21.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:32.5% HUSBAND HOME. 19:19.233 --> 19:22.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% SO I LAUGH PRETTY HARD. 19:21.800 --> 19:24.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% >> Renee: AND WHERE DO HAVE YOU 19:22.633 --> 19:26.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% TO GO TO GO FROM HEAVY TO LIGHT 19:24.700 --> 19:28.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% AND TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE 19:26.333 --> 19:31.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% MAKING A TRANSITION THAT MAKES 19:28.833 --> 19:33.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:15% SENSE? 19:31.000 --> 19:35.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% >> USUALLY ITS IN DIALOGUE WHERE 19:33.500 --> 19:37.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% THE LIGHT HEARTEDNESS COMES FROM 19:35.433 --> 19:40.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:35% AND THE HUMOR. 19:37.533 --> 19:42.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% I THINK, I MEAN IN REAL LIFE A 19:40.033 --> 19:44.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% LOT OF... DURING A LOT OF SORT 19:42.433 --> 19:47.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% OF NORMAL CONVERSATION PEOPLE 19:44.933 --> 19:47.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:60% SAY THINGS THAT ARE JUST 19:47.533 --> 19:48.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:25% HILARIOUS. 19:47.900 --> 19:50.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% >> Renee: AND IN HERE BECAUSE 19:48.700 --> 19:52.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% YOU TALK ABOUT SHORT STORIES AND 19:50.433 --> 19:54.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% THEY'RE SHORTER THAN THE 20 19:52.500 --> 19:56.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% PAGES AS SHE SAID BEFORE THAT 19:54.166 --> 19:58.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% WRITING IN SHORT CHAPTERS REALLY 19:56.933 --> 20:00.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% HELPS BECAUSE THEY COULD BE 19:58.733 --> 20:01.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% TAKEN JUST AS A SHORT STORY ON 20:00.066 --> 20:02.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% THEIR OWN, MANY OF THESE. 20:01.333 --> 20:04.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% WOULD THAT BE ADVICE THAT WOULD 20:02.466 --> 20:05.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% YOU GIVE TO YOUNG WRITERS IS, 20:04.033 --> 20:07.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:47.5% YOU NO, GO SHORTER? 20:05.766 --> 20:10.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% I ALSO REMEMBER SEEING YOU TALK 20:07.766 --> 20:12.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% ABOUT YOU WOULD WRITE A PAGE, 20:10.266 --> 20:14.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% TAKE THAT OUT, EDIT THE PAGE AND 20:12.766 --> 20:16.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:40% THEN KEEP GOING. 20:14.600 --> 20:17.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% AND HOW EITHER PRODUCTIVE OR 20:16.466 --> 20:19.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% UNPRODUCTIVE WAS THAT PROCESS 20:17.800 --> 20:22.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:20% FOR YOU? 20:19.166 --> 20:28.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% >> SO A LOT OF THE CHAPTER 20:22.700 --> 20:30.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% LENGTH HAS TO DO WITH PROCESS. 20:28.300 --> 20:32.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% WHEN I BEFORE, PROBABLY ABOUT 15 20:30.100 --> 20:33.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% YEARS AGO WHEN I JUST GOT OUT OF 20:32.233 --> 20:34.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% GRADUATE SCHOOL I WAS STILL 20:33.300 --> 20:35.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:42.5% DOING THIS THING. 20:34.200 --> 20:38.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% I WOULD PRINT OUT WHAT I HAD 20:35.900 --> 20:39.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% WRITTEN TWO OR THREE PAGES AND 20:38.133 --> 20:41.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% THEN GO BACK AND REVISE IT AND 20:39.600 --> 20:43.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% DO IT AGAIN AND GO BACK AND DO 20:41.200 --> 20:45.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% IT AGAIN AND REVISE IT AND THEN 20:43.000 --> 20:47.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% I DID A FULBRIGHT IN AFRICA AND 20:45.133 --> 20:47.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THINGS 20:47.033 --> 20:49.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% THAT HAPPENED THE VERY FIRST 20:47.933 --> 20:52.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% WEEK I WAS THERE WAS THAT MY 20:49.533 --> 20:55.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% PRINTER BLEW UP BECAUSE I DIDN'T 20:52.833 --> 20:58.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% PLUG THE CONVERTER IN WITH IT. 20:55.533 --> 21:01.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% THAT ACTUALLY FORCED ME TO STOP 20:58.400 --> 21:03.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% DOING THAT; TO STOP REWRITING 21:01.700 --> 21:06.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% AND REWRITING AND JUST KEEP 21:03.100 --> 21:07.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% GOING AND IT WAS THE BEST THING 21:06.033 --> 21:09.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% EVER BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO. 21:07.633 --> 21:11.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% THAT BEING SAID, ONE OF THE 21:09.433 --> 21:13.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% REASONS THE CHAPTERS ARE SO 21:11.033 --> 21:15.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% SHORT IS BECAUSE IT MAKES IT SO 21:13.266 --> 21:16.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO REVISE 21:15.100 --> 21:19.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% THEM IN ONE SITTING AND KEEP A 21:16.900 --> 21:19.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% SCENE SORT OF SUSTAINED IN MY 21:19.033 --> 21:20.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:12.5% HEAD. 21:19.933 --> 21:22.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:37.5% >> Renee: SURE. 21:20.466 --> 21:22.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% RIGHT, AND YOU HAVE TWO KIDS TO 21:22.033 --> 21:23.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:30% CHASE AFTER. 21:22.633 --> 21:25.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:60% THAT'S PROBABLY A BETTER 21:23.733 --> 21:27.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:40% APPROACH ANYWAY. 21:25.266 --> 21:30.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:42.5% >> YES, YES, YES. 21:27.633 --> 21:33.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% I AM A BIG BELIEVER IN I WRITE 21:30.533 --> 21:35.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% EVERY DAY NO MATTER WHAT. 21:33.433 --> 21:37.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% BUT THEN THAT MEANS SOMETIMES 21:35.200 --> 21:40.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% I'M WRITING WHILE THEY'RE IN 21:37.033 --> 21:42.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% THEIR PIANO LESSON OR SKATING OR 21:40.266 --> 21:43.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% WHATEVER, SO THAT ALSO HELPS MY 21:42.266 --> 21:45.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% PROCESS THAT THESE CHAPTERS ARE 21:43.666 --> 21:46.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% SHORT ENOUGH THAT I CAN ACTUALLY 21:45.066 --> 21:47.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:60% VISIT WITH THEM DURING A 21:46.966 --> 21:48.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:20% SITTING. 21:47.300 --> 21:50.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% >> Renee: AND HOW ARE THEY 21:48.966 --> 21:52.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% INFORMING YOUR APPROACH NOW OR 21:50.433 --> 21:53.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% EVEN YOUR TOPICS OR WHAT YOU 21:52.033 --> 21:58.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% THINK ABOUT IN YOUR WRITING? 21:53.866 --> 22:01.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% >> I WRITE SO MUCH MORE NOW 21:58.000 --> 22:02.366 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% ABOUT MOTHERHOOD THAN I DID 22:01.066 --> 22:02.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% BEFORE BECAUSE IT HAS CHANGED 22:02.366 --> 22:04.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:7.5% ME. 22:02.666 --> 22:05.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% IT HAS CHANGED ME AS A PERSON. 22:04.433 --> 22:08.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% CHANGED THE WAY I LOOK AT THE 22:05.866 --> 22:11.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% WORLD, YOU KNOW, AND SO I WRITE 22:08.233 --> 22:13.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:42.5% A LOT ABOUT THAT. 22:11.866 --> 22:15.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% >> Renee: SO TELL US QUICKLY 22:13.966 --> 22:17.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% ABOUT SAINT MONKEY AND WHERE THE 22:15.566 --> 22:18.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% NAME CAME FROM EFFICIENT OF ALL 22:17.266 --> 22:20.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% AND THE TWO MAIN CHARACTERS 22:18.766 --> 22:23.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:50% AUDREY AND CAROLINE. 22:20.500 --> 22:25.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% >> SO AUDREY IS A DREAMY YOUNG 22:23.266 --> 22:27.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% WOMAN WHO WANTS TO BE A PIANIST 22:25.066 --> 22:33.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% AND SHE IS A BRILLIANT PIANIST 22:27.866 --> 22:36.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% AND CAROLINE IS THE MORE CAUSE 22:33.233 --> 22:38.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% TICK CAWFTIC BITTER YOUNG WOMAN. 22:36.700 --> 22:40.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% CAROLINE HAS DREAMS OF GOING TO 22:38.300 --> 22:54.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% HOLLYWOOD BUT ARE CUT SHORT 22:40.200 --> 22:54.633 align:start position:10% line:84.67% size:62.5% BECAUSE A TRAGEDY HAPPENS 22:55.400 --> 22:57.366 align:start position:72.5% line:79.33% size:10% AND 22:55.766 --> 22:59.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% SHE CAN'T LEAVE HER HOMETOWN AND 22:57.366 --> 23:02.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% SHE HAS TO WATCH HER BEST FRIEND 22:59.333 --> 23:06.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% LIVE THE DREAM AND THERE IS A 23:02.300 --> 23:09.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% SCENE IN THE TITLE CHAPTER THAT 23:06.433 --> 23:11.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% AWED CAROLINE'S GRANDMOTHER SAYS 23:09.033 --> 23:11.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% SHE'S A MONKEY AND SHE SAID NO, 23:11.033 --> 23:14.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:35% SHE'S A SAINT. 23:11.833 --> 23:17.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% THE WAYS WE SEE PEOPLE AND THE 23:14.033 --> 23:21.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% WAY THAT WE LOVE PEOPLE DESPITE 23:17.533 --> 23:22.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% WHAT IS MONKEYISH ABOUT THEM, 23:21.333 --> 23:24.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% DESPITE THEIR SHORTCOMINGS, THE 23:22.966 --> 23:26.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% WAY WE KIND OF FORGIVE THAT AND 23:24.866 --> 23:28.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% LEARN TO LOVE THEM ANYWAY. 23:26.866 --> 23:32.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% >> Renee: AND AS I MENTIONED, 23:28.466 --> 23:33.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% YOUR USE OF THE DICTION AND 23:32.100 --> 23:34.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% VERNACULAR FROM THAT ERA AND 23:33.966 --> 23:37.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:25% THAT TIME. 23:34.766 --> 23:38.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% SEAMLESS IS NOT THE RIGHT WORD 23:37.100 --> 23:40.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% BUT CLOSE TO PERFECT IN THE WAY 23:38.166 --> 23:43.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% THAT MANY OF US GREW UP RURAL 23:40.700 --> 23:45.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% AND MAYBE NOT IN THE 1950s, 23:43.433 --> 23:47.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:55% I'M NOT THAT OLD BUT I 23:45.500 --> 23:50.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% DEFINITELY KNOW PEOPLE WHO SPOKE 23:47.100 --> 23:52.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% IN THOSE TONES AND VER VERNACULR 23:50.200 --> 23:53.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% BUT GETTING THAT DOWN IS PRETTY 23:52.033 --> 23:54.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:30% TOUGH TO DO. 23:53.400 --> 23:55.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:55% I WOULD THINK IT WAS A 23:54.933 --> 23:56.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:25% CHALLENGE. 23:55.300 --> 23:58.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% >> MORE OF A CHALLENGE THAN I 23:56.300 --> 24:00.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BECAUSE I 23:58.033 --> 24:02.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% HAD MY GRANDMOTHER KIND OF SPOKE 24:00.400 --> 24:05.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:60% THE WAY CAROLINE SPEAKS. 24:02.533 --> 24:08.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% SHE PASSED AWAY BEFORE I EVEN 24:05.200 --> 24:09.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% STARTED WRITING THIS AND I HAD 24:08.400 --> 24:10.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:37.5% THAT IN MY EAR. 24:09.500 --> 24:12.533 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:40% I REMEMBERED IT. 24:10.700 --> 24:14.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% BUT WRITING IT IS A DIFFERENT... 24:12.533 --> 24:19.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% I ACTUALLY HAD A CHART, FOR 24:14.500 --> 24:20.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% INSTANCE, I HAD A CHART ABOUT 24:19.466 --> 24:22.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:50% WEREN'T AND WARRANT. 24:20.733 --> 24:24.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% YOU USE THEM AT DIFFERENT TIMES. 24:22.433 --> 24:26.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:35% I KEPT CHARTS. 24:24.333 --> 24:29.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% >> Renee: EVEN THE WORD NARY. 24:26.333 --> 24:31.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% WE NEVER HEAR THAT UNTIL I GO 24:29.100 --> 24:34.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% HOME AND I MIGHT HEAR IT. 24:31.200 --> 24:36.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO READ A 24:34.433 --> 24:37.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% BRIEF PASSAGE SO PEOPLE GET A 24:36.066 --> 24:38.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% FLAVOR OF WHAT SAINT MONKEY IS 24:37.733 --> 24:40.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:12.5% LIKE. 24:38.033 --> 24:42.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:60% >> THIS IS FROM AUDREY'S 24:40.333 --> 24:43.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:30% PERSPECTIVE. 24:42.266 --> 24:44.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% FINALLY COMCOME APRIL THE WIND 24:43.466 --> 24:46.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% BLOWS DOWN FROM THE MOUNTAIN AND 24:44.966 --> 24:48.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% STARTS TO WEAR WARM AGAIN ON 24:46.733 --> 24:50.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% PEOPLE'S BARE ARMS AND GRAND PAP 24:48.333 --> 24:52.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% AND I SIT OUT ON THE PORCH IN 24:50.300 --> 24:53.133 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% THE PUNCHED IRON CHAIRS AND PLAY 24:52.766 --> 24:54.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:22.5% CHECKERS. 24:53.133 --> 24:56.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% GRAND PAP IS A MASTER, A WIZARD 24:54.966 --> 24:58.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% WHO CAN BEAT ANYONE IN THE 24:56.566 --> 25:01.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% COUNTY AND WHEN I COME NEAR 24:58.266 --> 25:02.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% WINNING HE UPSETS THE CHECKER 25:01.733 --> 25:03.433 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:15% BOARD. 25:02.233 --> 25:04.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% AFTERWARDS HE DOESN'T APOLOGIZE 25:03.433 --> 25:06.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:37.5% OR EVEN SPEAKS. 25:04.233 --> 25:07.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% HE STEPS OFF THE PORCH, BEND 25:06.233 --> 25:09.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% OVER THE GRASS AND PICKS UP 25:07.933 --> 25:11.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% THREE BLACK PIECES THAT HAVE 25:09.033 --> 25:12.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% LANDED THERE, A CONSOLATION 25:11.566 --> 25:14.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:47.5% SPELLING HIS ANGER. 25:12.600 --> 25:17.066 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% HE SCRAPES THE REMAINING 21 OFF 25:14.466 --> 25:18.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% THE PORCH AND THEN TO INTO HIS 25:17.066 --> 25:20.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% CARPETED BOX WHILE I WIGGLE 25:18.566 --> 25:22.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% MYSELF INTO MY SWING AND FINGER 25:20.700 --> 25:23.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% A BIT OF RUST GROWING ON THE 25:22.633 --> 25:26.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:15% CHAIN. 25:23.166 --> 25:27.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% RIGHT NICE BREEZE IS SAIL IS ALL 25:26.566 --> 25:28.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:20% HE SAYS. 25:27.200 --> 25:30.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% HE PUSHES US BACK AND FORTH WITH 25:28.700 --> 25:32.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% HIS FEET WHILE WE WATCH THE SUN 25:30.300 --> 25:34.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% SINK LIKE A TANGERINE BEHIND THE 25:32.500 --> 25:35.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:15% TREES. 25:34.200 --> 25:37.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:55% >> Renee: I LOVE THAT. 25:35.300 --> 25:40.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% LIKE A TANGERINE BEHIND THE 25:37.500 --> 25:42.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% TREES AND THIS, ALL OF THAT, THE 25:40.300 --> 25:43.700 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% IMAGERY THAT YOU EVOKE, I DON'T 25:42.200 --> 25:45.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% KNOW, I THINK I'VE HEARD YOU 25:43.700 --> 25:47.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% BEING COMPARED TO TONY MORRISON 25:45.233 --> 25:49.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% A LITTLE BIT, AND I KNOW THAT'S 25:47.400 --> 25:50.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% GOT TO BE HIGH FLATTER. 25:49.800 --> 25:52.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:17.5% >> YES. 25:50.200 --> 25:53.800 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% >> Renee: YOUR LANGUAGE LIKE 25:52.500 --> 25:56.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% BELOVED WHICH MANY OF US HAVE 25:53.800 --> 25:58.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% READ THAT IS INTRICATE, COMPLEX, 25:56.933 --> 25:59.833 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% MAKES YOU THINK, MAKES YOU 25:58.400 --> 26:02.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:55% REWEED IT A FEW TIMES. 25:59.833 --> 26:04.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% BUT YOU GET SO INVOLVED WITH 26:02.900 --> 26:05.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% THESE CHARACTERS THAT YOU LIVE 26:04.300 --> 26:07.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% THROUGH THEM, PARTICULARLY IF 26:05.500 --> 26:09.100 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF CONNECTION 26:07.400 --> 26:09.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:32.5% TO THAT LIFE. 26:09.100 --> 26:10.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:17.5% >> YES. 26:09.500 --> 26:12.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% >> Renee: IS THAT WHAT YOU HOPE 26:10.600 --> 26:14.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% YOUR WORK ACCOMPLISHES? 26:12.233 --> 26:15.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% EVEN OUTSIDE OF THOSE WHO, IN 26:14.300 --> 26:17.900 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% KENTUCKY, HAVE LIVED HERE, THAT 26:15.900 --> 26:20.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% THEY CAN RELATE TO SAINT MONK 26:17.900 --> 26:23.933 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:55% NECESSITY SOME ASPECT? 26:20.266 --> 26:25.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% >> I DID AND BECAUSE I LOVE MY 26:23.933 --> 26:28.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% HOMELAND SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, SO 26:25.333 --> 26:30.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% IN SOME WAYS IT IS A LOVE LETTER 26:28.333 --> 26:39.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% TO KENTUCKIANS PARTICULARLY THIS 26:30.666 --> 26:40.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% WAY OF LIFE THAT HAS SORT OF BAN 26:39.866 --> 26:42.600 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% BEGUN TO PASS AWAY WITH THE 26:40.966 --> 26:44.366 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% PEOPLE WHO ARE PASSING AWAY. 26:42.600 --> 26:45.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% I WANTED TO CAPTURE WHAT IS SO 26:44.366 --> 26:46.566 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% BEAUTIFUL ABOUT THIS LAND AND 26:45.866 --> 26:47.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:32.5% THESE PEOPLE. 26:46.566 --> 26:48.733 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% >> Renee: THESE YOUNG LADIES, 26:47.866 --> 26:50.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% UNDERSTAND THEIR IDENTITIES AND 26:48.733 --> 26:51.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% I WON'T GIVE IT AWAY, BUT TO 26:50.166 --> 26:53.366 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% UNDERSTAND WHO THEY ARE, HOW 26:51.466 --> 26:54.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% THEY GET TO LEARN WHO THEY ARE, 26:53.366 --> 26:56.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% EITHER BY STAYING WHERE THEY ARE 26:54.766 --> 26:58.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% OR GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE, THAT IS 26:56.400 --> 27:00.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% A LIFE LESSON IN AND OF ITSELF 26:58.500 --> 27:02.233 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% AND SO YOU REALLY FEEL THAT, 27:00.266 --> 27:03.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU COME TO A 27:02.233 --> 27:05.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% CERTAIN AGE IN YOUR LIFE. 27:03.633 --> 27:08.033 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% YOU THINK, I GET THAT AT A 27:05.633 --> 27:09.166 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% DEEPER LEVEL THAN I WOULD HAD I 27:08.033 --> 27:10.866 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:67.5% BEEN THOSE CHARACTERS AGES. 27:09.166 --> 27:12.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:52.5% I THANK YOU FOR THAT. 27:10.866 --> 27:12.666 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:62.5% THANK YOU FOR THAT SHARED 27:12.266 --> 27:14.333 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:27.5% EXPERIENCE. 27:12.666 --> 27:15.300 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% >> THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. 27:14.333 --> 27:17.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:70% >> Renee: I HIGHLY RECOMMEND 27:15.300 --> 27:17.633 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% SAINT MONKEY BY JACINDA 27:17.266 --> 27:20.366 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:22.5% TOWNSEND. 27:17.633 --> 27:21.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% YOU CAN GET IT ONLINE AT A LOCAL 27:20.366 --> 27:23.966 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:47.5% BOOKSTORE NEAR YOU. 27:21.266 --> 27:24.366 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% I HOPE YOU'LL SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL 27:23.966 --> 27:26.466 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:27.5% BOOKSTORES. 27:24.366 --> 27:28.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:72.5% YOU IF YOU WANT TO LEARN MORE 27:26.466 --> 27:31.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% ABOUT JACINDA TOWNSEND AND HER 27:28.266 --> 27:33.200 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:75% WORK LOG ON TO OUR WEBSITE AND 27:31.400 --> 27:36.500 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:65% MAKE SURE YOU FOLLOW ME ON 27:33.200 --> 27:37.266 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:80% FACEBOOK, TWITTER, INSTAGRAM AND 27:36.500 --> 27:38.400 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:35% BLOG PROMPTER. 27:37.266 --> 27:38.766 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:57.5% THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR 27:38.400 --> 27:40.000 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:22.5% WATCHING. 27:38.766 --> 27:42.366 align:start position:10% line:79.33% size:77.5% TAKE REALLY GOOD CARE AND WE'LL 27:40.000 --> 27:42.366 align:start position:10% line:84.67% size:45% SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.