1 00:00:04,266 --> 00:00:11,966 ♪ ♪ 2 00:00:04,733 --> 00:00:13,266 ♪ ♪ 3 00:00:11,966 --> 00:00:13,633 >> Renee: WHERE ARE Y'ALL REALLY 4 00:00:13,266 --> 00:00:15,766 FROM? 5 00:00:13,633 --> 00:00:17,166 THAT'S A UNIVERSAL QUESTION 6 00:00:15,766 --> 00:00:18,800 ASIAN PACIFIC AMERICAN ISLANDER 7 00:00:17,166 --> 00:00:20,233 PACIFICKERS ARE REPEATEDLY ASKED 8 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,366 AND THAT'S THE QUESTION TACKLED 9 00:00:20,233 --> 00:00:25,500 IN A NEW PODCAST THAT SHARES THE 10 00:00:23,366 --> 00:00:27,366 EXPERIENCES OF AAPI MEMBERS OF 11 00:00:25,500 --> 00:00:30,466 OUR COMMUNITIES, AS THE 12 00:00:27,366 --> 00:00:31,500 INCIDENTS OF HATE RISE, SOME 13 00:00:30,466 --> 00:00:33,266 KENTUCKIANS ARE WORKING TO BURST 14 00:00:31,500 --> 00:00:35,366 THE MYTHS AND CEMENT THEIR 15 00:00:33,266 --> 00:00:37,500 BELONGING IN A PODCAST THAT AIMS 16 00:00:35,366 --> 00:00:37,933 TO BREAKTHROUGH BARRIERS TO 17 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:41,033 UNDERSTANDING. 18 00:00:37,933 --> 00:00:42,900 LEARN MORE FROM CHARLENE BUCKLES 19 00:00:41,033 --> 00:00:44,666 AND DAN WU, CHINESE AMERICAN 20 00:00:42,900 --> 00:00:45,066 BUSINESS OWNER AND ACTIVIST IN 21 00:00:44,666 --> 00:00:54,133 LEXINGTON. 22 00:00:45,066 --> 00:01:00,933 THAT'S NOW ON CONNECTIONS. 23 00:00:54,133 --> 00:01:02,466 PAI. 24 00:01:00,933 --> 00:01:04,166 >> Renee: THANK YOU FOR JOINING 25 00:01:02,466 --> 00:01:06,000 US AS WE KICK OFF THE 1th 26 00:01:04,166 --> 00:01:06,600 SEASON OF CONNECTIONS. 27 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,566 I'M RENEE SHAW. 28 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,633 WITH THE RISE OF HATE AND 29 00:01:08,566 --> 00:01:11,433 VIOLENCE AGAINST OUR SISTERS AND 30 00:01:09,633 --> 00:01:13,333 BROTHERS IN THE ASIAN AMERICAN 31 00:01:11,433 --> 00:01:15,366 PACIFIC ISLANDER COMMUNITIES, A 32 00:01:13,333 --> 00:01:17,733 NEW PODCAST IS COMING ON LINE TO 33 00:01:15,366 --> 00:01:18,166 HELP BRIDGE THE DIVIDES IN 34 00:01:17,733 --> 00:01:21,600 UNDERSTANDING. 35 00:01:18,166 --> 00:01:23,333 IT'S CALLED "WHERE Y'ALL REALLY 36 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,866 FROM" AND ANSWERS TO THAT 37 00:01:23,333 --> 00:01:26,500 FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTION WILL 38 00:01:24,866 --> 00:01:27,833 COME FROM THE EXPERIENCES OF 39 00:01:26,500 --> 00:01:30,100 GUESTS OF THE PODCAST HOST 40 00:01:27,833 --> 00:01:32,300 JOINING ME TODAY, DAN WU, A 41 00:01:30,100 --> 00:01:34,700 LEXINGTON-BASED BUSINESSMAN AND 42 00:01:32,300 --> 00:01:35,666 ACTIVIST CHARLENE BUCKLES, AWE 43 00:01:34,700 --> 00:01:37,000 LIEVILLE-BASED ACTIVIST. 44 00:01:35,666 --> 00:01:39,666 WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE. 45 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,966 DAN HAS BEEN HERE BEFORE, NOT 46 00:01:39,666 --> 00:01:42,933 THAT LONG AGO. 47 00:01:40,966 --> 00:01:44,166 GLAD TO HAVE YOU BACK. 48 00:01:42,933 --> 00:01:45,633 >> THANKS FOR HAVING US. 49 00:01:44,166 --> 00:01:47,200 >> Renee: I CAN'T THINK OF A 50 00:01:45,633 --> 00:01:49,200 BETTER WAY TO KICK OFF THE NEW 51 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,133 SEASON THAN TO HAVE, I DON'T 52 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:54,800 NOAH YOU CALL THE ENTREPRENEUR 53 00:01:51,133 --> 00:01:55,966 IN MEDIA, MEDIA-PREURS THAT ARE 54 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,733 REALLY PAVING THE WAY YOU ARE 55 00:01:55,966 --> 00:02:00,100 FOR A NEW, FRESH CONVERSATION 56 00:01:58,733 --> 00:02:02,800 ABOUT OUR COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T 57 00:02:00,100 --> 00:02:03,800 OFTEN GET A LOT OF SHINE AND 58 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,900 RECOGNITION AND NEED TO HAVE 59 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,900 SOME MORE UNDERSTANDING SO 60 00:02:06,900 --> 00:02:08,966 CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS PODCAST 61 00:02:07,900 --> 00:02:12,000 AND IT'S CALLED... 62 00:02:08,966 --> 00:02:14,166 >> WHERE Y'ALL REALLY FROM. 63 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,500 >> Renee: WHERE Y'ALL REALLY 64 00:02:14,166 --> 00:02:15,900 FROM. 65 00:02:14,500 --> 00:02:17,500 I HAVE BEEN ASKED THAT QUESTION 66 00:02:15,900 --> 00:02:18,000 A COUPLE TIMES AND THIS IS A 67 00:02:17,500 --> 00:02:19,766 SHARED EXPERIENCE. 68 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,700 TELL US THE SIGNIFICANCE, 69 00:02:19,766 --> 00:02:21,900 CHARLENE, OF THE TITLE. 70 00:02:20,700 --> 00:02:24,166 >> WE WERE GOING BACK AND FORTH 71 00:02:21,900 --> 00:02:27,866 ON THE TITLE AND WE WANTED TO 72 00:02:24,166 --> 00:02:29,233 HAVE A TITLE THAT RESONATES WITH 73 00:02:27,866 --> 00:02:31,300 MOST OF OUR EXPERIENCES IF NOT 74 00:02:29,233 --> 00:02:33,933 ALL OF OUR EXPERIENCES, OF 75 00:02:31,300 --> 00:02:35,733 COURSE WE GET THAT AS 76 00:02:33,933 --> 00:02:37,000 ASIAN-AMERICANS AND PACIFIC 77 00:02:35,733 --> 00:02:39,333 ISLANDERS, WE GET THAT QUESTION 78 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,733 ONE TO A MILLION TIMES IN OUR 79 00:02:39,333 --> 00:02:42,900 LIVES. 80 00:02:39,733 --> 00:02:44,166 >> Renee: MORE ON THE MILLION 81 00:02:42,900 --> 00:02:45,800 TIMES SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S A 82 00:02:44,166 --> 00:02:47,366 QUESTION THAT RESONATES WITH ALL 83 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:50,600 OF US BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY 84 00:02:47,366 --> 00:02:51,233 EMOTIONS THAT COME FROM WE GET 85 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,866 THAT QUESTION. 86 00:02:51,233 --> 00:02:56,033 HOW DO WE ANSWER THAT? 87 00:02:52,866 --> 00:02:56,366 MOST OF THE TEAM PEOPLE ARE 88 00:02:56,033 --> 00:02:58,666 SINCERE. 89 00:02:56,366 --> 00:03:00,900 >> Renee: THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO 90 00:02:58,666 --> 00:03:04,933 BE DEMEANING THEY'RE JUST 91 00:03:00,900 --> 00:03:05,366 INQUISITIVE OR CURIOUS FOR THE 92 00:03:04,933 --> 00:03:08,800 MOST PART. 93 00:03:05,366 --> 00:03:11,900 >> BUT THERE ARE UNDERTONES AND 94 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:14,300 IT REALLY PUTS AN OTHERRING TO 95 00:03:11,900 --> 00:03:14,900 THE PERSON THAT IS GETTING ASKED 96 00:03:14,300 --> 00:03:17,166 THE QUESTION. 97 00:03:14,900 --> 00:03:18,833 WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE 98 00:03:17,166 --> 00:03:19,933 SHOW, I HAD A LOT OF FEELINGS 99 00:03:18,833 --> 00:03:22,433 AGAINST IT ACTUALLY BECAUSE I 100 00:03:19,933 --> 00:03:23,700 WAS LIKE I DON'T KNOW I'M STILL 101 00:03:22,433 --> 00:03:26,700 TRYING TO PROCESS HOW I FEEL 102 00:03:23,700 --> 00:03:28,166 WHEN I GET THAT QUESTION ASKED 103 00:03:26,700 --> 00:03:30,166 AND HOW I RESPOND TO IT. 104 00:03:28,166 --> 00:03:31,700 >> Renee: YOU ARE CLOSE TO YOUR 105 00:03:30,166 --> 00:03:33,033 MILLIONth TIME BEING ASKED 106 00:03:31,700 --> 00:03:33,400 THAT, HOW HAVE YOU HONED A 107 00:03:33,033 --> 00:03:35,166 RESPONSE. 108 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,466 >> TYPICALLY IT DEPENDS ON MY 109 00:03:35,166 --> 00:03:37,233 MOOD. 110 00:03:35,466 --> 00:03:40,666 SOMETIMES I'LL JUST SAY I GREW 111 00:03:37,233 --> 00:03:41,933 UP IN NORTHERN KENTUCKY I LOVE 112 00:03:40,666 --> 00:03:42,933 MOVE THERE HAD WHEN I WAS SEVEN. 113 00:03:41,933 --> 00:03:45,633 KENTUCKY IS MOO I HOME. 114 00:03:42,933 --> 00:03:45,933 I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR OVER 20 115 00:03:45,633 --> 00:03:46,900 YEARS. 116 00:03:45,933 --> 00:03:48,300 OF COURSE WE HAVE PLAYED THIS 117 00:03:46,900 --> 00:03:51,700 GAME WITH A LOT OF OUR GUESTS 118 00:03:48,300 --> 00:03:53,500 WHO WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, WE GET 119 00:03:51,700 --> 00:03:55,466 ASKED AGAIN AND AGAIN WHAT WE'RE 120 00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:56,666 ARE YOU REALLY FROM HOW MANY 121 00:03:55,466 --> 00:03:58,766 TIMES IT WILL TAKE FOR SOMEONE 122 00:03:56,666 --> 00:03:59,066 TO GET TO WHAT THEY WANT TO 123 00:03:58,766 --> 00:03:59,800 KNOW. 124 00:03:59,066 --> 00:04:01,200 >> Renee: WHO IS ASKING THE 125 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,166 QUESTION, WHAT IS THE 126 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,866 DEMOGRAPHIC OF THE PERSON ASKING 127 00:04:03,166 --> 00:04:05,500 THE QUESTION. 128 00:04:03,866 --> 00:04:07,700 >> SOMEONE FROM THE GROCERY 129 00:04:05,500 --> 00:04:09,166 STORE TO NEW FRIENDS OR 130 00:04:07,700 --> 00:04:10,266 ACQUAINTANCES THAT WE KNOW. 131 00:04:09,166 --> 00:04:12,233 ANYONE AND EVERYONE. 132 00:04:10,266 --> 00:04:13,233 IT USUALLY TAKES PROBABLY I MEAN 133 00:04:12,233 --> 00:04:14,900 DEPENDING ON THE PERSON BUT IT 134 00:04:13,233 --> 00:04:16,400 WILL TAKE THEM ABOUT FIVE 135 00:04:14,900 --> 00:04:17,900 MINUTES OF THEM MEETING ME WHERE 136 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,300 THEY'LL LOOK AT ME AND THEY HAVE 137 00:04:17,900 --> 00:04:22,566 THAT LOOK AT LET ME TRY TO PLACE 138 00:04:20,300 --> 00:04:22,966 YOU AND LET ME ASK THIS 139 00:04:22,566 --> 00:04:23,733 QUESTION. 140 00:04:22,966 --> 00:04:24,866 >> Renee: IT'S IN THEIR MIND, 141 00:04:23,733 --> 00:04:27,333 WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARTICULATE 142 00:04:24,866 --> 00:04:28,733 IT RIGHT OUT OF, IT'S NICE TO 143 00:04:27,333 --> 00:04:29,733 MEET YOU, WHAT DO YOU DO AND 144 00:04:28,733 --> 00:04:32,200 THEN WHERE ARE YOU FROM? 145 00:04:29,733 --> 00:04:33,833 >> AND THE KEY WORD IN THAT 146 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,900 WHOLE TITLE IS THE REALLY. 147 00:04:33,833 --> 00:04:37,600 BECAUSE IT'S THE PART WHERE WHEN 148 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:39,366 YOU GIVE THEM THE FIRST ANSWER 149 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,133 AND THE FIRST ANSWER IS THE 150 00:04:39,366 --> 00:04:42,000 GENUINE ANSWER BUT IT'S 151 00:04:40,133 --> 00:04:43,900 SOMEWHERE IN AMERICA AND THEY 152 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,666 CAN'T WRAP THEIR HEADS AROUND IT 153 00:04:43,900 --> 00:04:46,500 A LOT OF FOLKS. 154 00:04:44,666 --> 00:04:47,833 THEY WANT TO INTERROGATE, WE 155 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:49,233 KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE ASKING 156 00:04:47,833 --> 00:04:51,466 AND WE SOMETIMES PLAY THE GAME 157 00:04:49,233 --> 00:04:52,966 AND PLAY COY AND JUST BECAUSE, 158 00:04:51,466 --> 00:04:54,800 YOU KNOW, WE ARE KIND OF TIRED 159 00:04:52,966 --> 00:04:55,966 OF IT WHAT I FIND INTERESTING 160 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,966 WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHO 161 00:04:55,966 --> 00:05:02,100 IS ASKING THE QUESTION, THE ONE 162 00:04:59,966 --> 00:05:03,800 TYPE OF PERSON THAT ASKS THAT 163 00:05:02,100 --> 00:05:06,200 QUESTION THAT I DON'T MIND IS 164 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:09,066 USUALLY AN OLD ASIAN LADY. 165 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,466 NOW SHE WON'T SAY REALLY BECAUSE 166 00:05:09,066 --> 00:05:11,700 I'LL GIVE HER EXACTLY THE ANSWER 167 00:05:10,466 --> 00:05:12,733 SHE WANTS WHEN SHE SAYS WHERE 168 00:05:11,700 --> 00:05:14,566 ARE YOU FROM. 169 00:05:12,733 --> 00:05:17,000 WHAT SHE WANTS TO KNOW IS CAN WE 170 00:05:14,566 --> 00:05:18,566 SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE. 171 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:22,833 AND SO THAT WHERE ARE YOU FROM 172 00:05:18,566 --> 00:05:23,200 IS ABOUT CAN WE CONNECT 173 00:05:22,833 --> 00:05:24,300 TOGETHER. 174 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:24,633 >> Renee: ARE YOU PART OF MY 175 00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:26,700 FAMILY. 176 00:05:24,633 --> 00:05:29,466 ARE YOU KUN FOLK. 177 00:05:26,700 --> 00:05:32,266 >> BUT WHEN WE GET IT IN THE 178 00:05:29,466 --> 00:05:33,933 GROCERY STORE LINE APROPOS 179 00:05:32,266 --> 00:05:35,566 NOTHING, IT'S THE EXACT OPPOSITE 180 00:05:33,933 --> 00:05:36,733 EFFECT, WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO 181 00:05:35,566 --> 00:05:38,866 PUT YOU IN A BOX AND WHEN YOU 182 00:05:36,733 --> 00:05:39,533 TELL THEM THAT'S NOT THE BOX YOU 183 00:05:38,866 --> 00:05:40,900 BELONG IN. 184 00:05:39,533 --> 00:05:41,800 LET'S INTERROGATE THIS UNTIL WE 185 00:05:40,900 --> 00:05:44,000 GET TO THE QUESTION. 186 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:47,766 SO FOR US, AND I SAID TO 187 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,900 CHARLENE, THE FACT THAT IT 188 00:05:47,766 --> 00:05:51,900 ELICITED SO MANY FEELINGS IN 189 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:52,333 HER, IT WAS PROBABLY A GOOD 190 00:05:51,900 --> 00:05:53,100 TITLE. 191 00:05:52,333 --> 00:05:54,866 >> Renee: AND ONE PEOPLE OF 192 00:05:53,100 --> 00:05:58,666 COLOR CAN CONNECT TO AS WELL AND 193 00:05:54,866 --> 00:06:00,600 DAN, WHEN WE HAD YOU ON BEFORE 194 00:05:58,666 --> 00:06:02,700 AND MAE SARAH WHO IS THE 195 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:06,366 CO-CREATOR ALONG WITH STATE 196 00:06:02,700 --> 00:06:07,666 REPRESENTATIVE NIMA WHO WAS THE 197 00:06:06,366 --> 00:06:09,866 FIRST AMERICAN INDIAN TO SERVE 198 00:06:07,666 --> 00:06:11,100 IN THE KENTUCKY ASSEMBLY WHO 199 00:06:09,866 --> 00:06:13,266 HAILS FROM LOUISVILLE. 200 00:06:11,100 --> 00:06:14,400 THE PODCAST CAME FROM WHAT? 201 00:06:13,266 --> 00:06:16,000 JUST RESPONSE TO THE RISE OF 202 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,333 VIOLENCE AGAINST THE ASIAN 203 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,266 AMERICAN PACIFIC ISLANDER 204 00:06:17,333 --> 00:06:19,900 COMMUNITY OR ARE THERE OTHER 205 00:06:18,266 --> 00:06:22,633 REASONS YOU THINK NOW IS THE 206 00:06:19,900 --> 00:06:24,766 TIME TO DO THIS. 207 00:06:22,633 --> 00:06:28,933 >> I HATE TO SAY IT IT PARTLY 208 00:06:24,766 --> 00:06:30,300 WAS TRIGGERED BY THAT I THINK. 209 00:06:28,933 --> 00:06:31,833 THE HISTORY OF ASIAN-AMERICANS 210 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:33,100 IN THIS COUNTRY HAS BEEN KEEP 211 00:06:31,833 --> 00:06:34,233 YOUR HEAD DOWN, STAY OUT OF THE 212 00:06:33,100 --> 00:06:37,166 HEADLINES AND OUT OF THE LINE OF 213 00:06:34,233 --> 00:06:38,333 FIRE UNTIL WE WERE CAUGHT IN THE 214 00:06:37,166 --> 00:06:41,066 LITERAL LINE OF FIRE AND FOR A 215 00:06:38,333 --> 00:06:42,033 LOT OF US EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF 216 00:06:41,066 --> 00:06:44,133 US WERE DOING WORK IN THE 217 00:06:42,033 --> 00:06:46,300 COMMUNITY IN DIFFERENT WAYS, FOR 218 00:06:44,133 --> 00:06:47,533 A LOT OF US, IT WAS A WAKEUP 219 00:06:46,300 --> 00:06:48,766 CALL FOR LIKE WE ARE NOT AS 220 00:06:47,533 --> 00:06:51,566 SAFE, WE ARE NOT AS PROTECTED, 221 00:06:48,766 --> 00:06:54,566 WE ARE NOT AS HIDDEN AND OUT OF 222 00:06:51,566 --> 00:06:56,100 SIGHT AS WE MIGHT THINK WE ARE 223 00:06:54,566 --> 00:06:58,800 IT WAS VAL BEGANNIZING FOR A LOT 224 00:06:56,100 --> 00:07:00,866 OF US TO SAY LET'S DO SOMETHING 225 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,833 AND THAT CONVERSATION LITERALLY 226 00:07:00,866 --> 00:07:05,533 STARTED AND I'LL GIVE YOU SOME 227 00:07:02,833 --> 00:07:06,966 CREDIT BECAUSE NIMA AND MAE MET 228 00:07:05,533 --> 00:07:07,966 BECAUSE OF THIS SHOW. 229 00:07:06,966 --> 00:07:09,833 THEY TALKED TO EACH OTHER AND 230 00:07:07,966 --> 00:07:12,333 THE REST OF US HAD THIS WHOLE 231 00:07:09,833 --> 00:07:12,700 SENSE OF LIKE LET'S DO 232 00:07:12,333 --> 00:07:14,300 SOMETHING. 233 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:14,933 WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT 234 00:07:14,300 --> 00:07:16,900 SOMETHING WAS. 235 00:07:14,933 --> 00:07:19,266 WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAS 236 00:07:16,900 --> 00:07:21,533 IT AN EDITORIAL IN THE PAPER, 237 00:07:19,266 --> 00:07:25,100 ORGANIZING A RALLY, PUSHING FOR 238 00:07:21,533 --> 00:07:26,866 LEGISLATION AND SO THEY HAD THE 239 00:07:25,100 --> 00:07:29,633 CONVERSATION THROWING AROUND 240 00:07:26,866 --> 00:07:31,200 IDEAS AND THEY SAID PODCAST AND 241 00:07:29,633 --> 00:07:33,000 MAE SAID PODCAST, LET'S TALK TO 242 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,366 DAN, I'VE DONE A COUPLE OF 243 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,400 PODCASTS AND RADIO SHOWS 244 00:07:34,366 --> 00:07:38,000 THROUGHOUT MY TIME. 245 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,933 AND AS WE WERE PUTTING IT 246 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,233 TOGETHER I WAS LIKE I WOULD LOVE 247 00:07:39,933 --> 00:07:42,966 SOME HELP ON THIS. 248 00:07:41,233 --> 00:07:44,500 THERE IS A LADY I TOOK A SHINE 249 00:07:42,966 --> 00:07:47,633 TO BECAUSE I ATTENDED A PANEL, 250 00:07:44,500 --> 00:07:50,533 YOU KNOW, THIS SPRING ABOUT 251 00:07:47,633 --> 00:07:53,466 ASIAN AMERICAN ISSUES, I DON'T 252 00:07:50,533 --> 00:07:55,333 KNOW HER EXCEPT FROM THIS PANEL 253 00:07:53,466 --> 00:07:56,733 I LIKED HEARING HER TALK. 254 00:07:55,333 --> 00:07:58,166 I SAID LET'S REACH OUT TO 255 00:07:56,733 --> 00:07:58,533 CHARLENE AND THAT'S HOW IT 256 00:07:58,166 --> 00:07:59,333 HAPPENED. 257 00:07:58,533 --> 00:08:00,366 >> Renee: BECAUSE YOU SAID AT 258 00:07:59,333 --> 00:08:01,100 THE BEGINNING YOU WERE RELUCK AT 259 00:08:00,366 --> 00:08:03,133 THAT PARTICULAR TIME ABOUT DO I 260 00:08:01,100 --> 00:08:03,566 REALLY WANT TO DO THIS PODCAST 261 00:08:03,133 --> 00:08:05,433 THING. 262 00:08:03,566 --> 00:08:07,633 HOW WERE YOU CONVINCED? 263 00:08:05,433 --> 00:08:09,533 >> IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I DON'T-- 264 00:08:07,633 --> 00:08:11,500 I USED TO LISTEN TO A LOT OF 265 00:08:09,533 --> 00:08:12,833 PODCASTS BUT WHEN I HAD CHILDREN 266 00:08:11,500 --> 00:08:15,300 AND LIFE HAPPENED, I DON'T 267 00:08:12,833 --> 00:08:17,366 LISTEN TO ANY PODCASTS AT ALL 268 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:18,366 AND SO WHEN DAN ASKED ME, I WAS 269 00:08:17,366 --> 00:08:20,000 LIKE ARE YOU REALLY SURE YOU 270 00:08:18,366 --> 00:08:22,766 WANT ME TO DO THIS BECAUSE I 271 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,233 COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH 272 00:08:22,766 --> 00:08:25,300 PEOPLE, ONE ON ONE, BUT TO 273 00:08:24,233 --> 00:08:28,233 INTERVIEW, I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF 274 00:08:25,300 --> 00:08:28,900 YOU HAVE THE RIGHT PERSON I 275 00:08:28,233 --> 00:08:30,866 MUMBLE OFTEN. 276 00:08:28,900 --> 00:08:31,133 I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF YOU WANT 277 00:08:30,866 --> 00:08:32,800 ME. 278 00:08:31,133 --> 00:08:34,133 AND HE WAS LIKE NO, IT'S GREAT. 279 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,333 JUST COME ON. 280 00:08:34,133 --> 00:08:39,066 COME AND DO THIS I THOUGHT ABOUT 281 00:08:36,333 --> 00:08:40,700 IT A LOT AND AT THE TIME I WAS 282 00:08:39,066 --> 00:08:45,033 IN MATERNITY LEAVE. 283 00:08:40,700 --> 00:08:47,033 I HAVE A SIX MONTH OLD AND I 284 00:08:45,033 --> 00:08:50,600 TOLD DAN YOU HAVE ME FOR A MONTH 285 00:08:47,033 --> 00:08:51,633 AND THEN AFTER THAT, CAN I-- I 286 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,933 CANNOT COMMIT TO ANYTHING. 287 00:08:51,633 --> 00:08:58,266 AND THE REASON I WANTED TO DO IT 288 00:08:52,933 --> 00:09:02,900 LIKE DAN SAID, SOMETHING PARKED 289 00:08:58,266 --> 00:09:04,200 IN ME AT LEAST AFTER THE ATLANTA 290 00:09:02,900 --> 00:09:05,966 MASSACRE, I ALSO WAS THINKING 291 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,566 I'VE LIVED IN KENTUCKY MOST OF 292 00:09:05,966 --> 00:09:09,433 MY LIFE AND I STILL HAVE THE 293 00:09:07,566 --> 00:09:10,300 MOMENT WHERE I THINK OH THERE IS 294 00:09:09,433 --> 00:09:16,300 ANOTHER ASIAN IN THE COMMUNITY 295 00:09:10,300 --> 00:09:17,400 AND WE ARE LIVING IN SILOS IN 296 00:09:16,300 --> 00:09:20,000 OUR EXPERIENCE AND THERE IS 297 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:28,300 ONLY, I THINK 1.9% OF THE 298 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:29,766 POPULATION THAT ARE CONSIDERED 299 00:09:28,300 --> 00:09:33,200 AAPI AMERICANS AND WE ARE IN 300 00:09:29,766 --> 00:09:35,500 HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE AND 301 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,833 TOKENNIZED IN MAGAZINES AND I 302 00:09:35,500 --> 00:09:39,100 THE FELT LIKE I NEEDED TO DO 303 00:09:36,833 --> 00:09:43,700 SOMETHING TO ORGANIZE OR DO THIS 304 00:09:39,100 --> 00:09:45,266 PODCAST WHERE WE COULD REALLY 305 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:46,266 CONNECT THE AAPI KENTUCKIANS 306 00:09:45,266 --> 00:09:47,066 SAYING YOU ARE NOT ALONE. 307 00:09:46,266 --> 00:09:48,600 YOU BELONG HERE. 308 00:09:47,066 --> 00:09:51,033 WE ARE HAVING THE SAME 309 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,466 EXPERIENCES AND THIS IS OUR 310 00:09:51,033 --> 00:09:55,933 KENTUCKY, TOO. 311 00:09:51,466 --> 00:09:59,400 SO I REALLY FELT LIKE WHEN HE 312 00:09:55,933 --> 00:10:00,966 PITCHED ME THE IDEA, AT FIRST I 313 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:05,400 WAS LIKE HOW AM I GOING TO DO 314 00:10:00,966 --> 00:10:07,466 THIS BUT THEN WE NEED TO DO THIS 315 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,233 THIS IS FOR LOUISVILLE PUBLIC 316 00:10:07,466 --> 00:10:09,900 MEDIA, PART OF THE PUBLIC 317 00:10:09,233 --> 00:10:11,100 BROADCASTING FAMILY AND WE 318 00:10:09,900 --> 00:10:12,533 COULDN'T BE HAPPIER ABOUT THAT 319 00:10:11,100 --> 00:10:14,566 BUT IF IT WAS A VITD YO' THING, 320 00:10:12,533 --> 00:10:14,966 WE HAVE TO HAVE A COLON FOR A 321 00:10:14,566 --> 00:10:16,633 SERIES. 322 00:10:14,966 --> 00:10:18,133 WE WOULD SAY WHAT YOU SAY, I 323 00:10:16,633 --> 00:10:23,233 BELONG HERE, TOO, RIGHT, I THINK 324 00:10:18,133 --> 00:10:24,733 THAT'S A VERY STRONG SUBTEXT OF 325 00:10:23,233 --> 00:10:27,133 I BELONG AND THESE ARE THE 326 00:10:24,733 --> 00:10:28,366 REASONS WHY AND HERE ARE THE 327 00:10:27,133 --> 00:10:31,500 SHARED EXPERIENCES, YOUR FIRST 328 00:10:28,366 --> 00:10:33,700 GUEST IS SOMEONE WHO I DO NOT 329 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:36,533 HIDE MY ENTHUSIASM AND FAN GIRL 330 00:10:33,700 --> 00:10:37,266 OF WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE 331 00:10:36,533 --> 00:10:38,166 UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE WHO HAS 332 00:10:37,266 --> 00:10:39,266 BEEN ON THIS SHOW AND OTHER 333 00:10:38,166 --> 00:10:41,566 PROGRAMS WHERE SHE HAS BEEN VERY 334 00:10:39,266 --> 00:10:43,500 BLUNT AND I'VE SHARED STAGES 335 00:10:41,566 --> 00:10:44,833 WITH HER AND OTHER VENUES WHERE 336 00:10:43,500 --> 00:10:46,066 SHE HAS TALKED ABOUT HER 337 00:10:44,833 --> 00:10:52,166 EXPERIENCE AND WHAT IS IT THAT 338 00:10:46,066 --> 00:10:54,533 YOU GLEANED FROM HER? 339 00:10:52,166 --> 00:10:55,633 WOE DON'T WANT TO SPOIL THE 340 00:10:54,533 --> 00:10:56,933 PODCAST BUT WHAT DID SHE BRING 341 00:10:55,633 --> 00:10:59,566 AS THE FIRST GUEST THAT YOU 342 00:10:56,933 --> 00:11:00,433 THINK SETS THE TONE FROM HERE ON 343 00:10:59,566 --> 00:11:02,566 OUT? 344 00:11:00,433 --> 00:11:05,933 >> WELL, WITH HER I WAS VERY, 345 00:11:02,566 --> 00:11:07,766 VERY INTERESTED IN TALKING TO AN 346 00:11:05,933 --> 00:11:10,166 ASIAN AMERICAN PARTICULARLY AN 347 00:11:07,766 --> 00:11:16,200 ASIAN AMERICAN WOMAN IN A REAL 348 00:11:10,166 --> 00:11:20,033 VISIBLE PUBLIC POSITION OF 349 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:21,766 POWER, THERE WAS A NEW YORK 350 00:11:20,033 --> 00:11:22,500 TIMES ARTICLE WHERE IT SAYS 351 00:11:21,766 --> 00:11:24,100 ASIAN-AMERICANS ARE OVER 352 00:11:22,500 --> 00:11:25,566 REPRESENTED IN MIDDLE MANAGEMENT 353 00:11:24,100 --> 00:11:27,800 AND SEVERELY UNDERREPRESENTED IN 354 00:11:25,566 --> 00:11:28,833 LEADERSHIP SO WE GET GOOD AT A 355 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,700 PARTICULAR SKILL WHETHER IT'S 356 00:11:28,833 --> 00:11:33,633 TECH OR WHATEVER, MEDICINE AND 357 00:11:30,700 --> 00:11:34,866 WE CAN MAKE IT UP TO IN THE 358 00:11:33,633 --> 00:11:38,533 MIDDLE TECHNICALLY BUT WE NEVER 359 00:11:34,866 --> 00:11:41,700 GET TO THAT TOP RUNG WHERE WE 360 00:11:38,533 --> 00:11:43,266 ARE MAKING DECISIONS AND BEING 361 00:11:41,700 --> 00:11:44,133 THE GATEKEEPER AND SETTING THE 362 00:11:43,266 --> 00:11:45,666 TONE ABOUT WHAT THE INSTITUTION 363 00:11:44,133 --> 00:11:47,866 IS ALL ABOUT SO I WAS VERY 364 00:11:45,666 --> 00:11:49,266 INTERESTED IN TALKING TO HER 365 00:11:47,866 --> 00:11:53,200 PARTICULARLY, SHE CAME IN AFTER 366 00:11:49,266 --> 00:11:54,533 A FIRE STORM OF CORONAVIRUSES 367 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:54,933 FROM-- CONTROVERSY FROM HER 368 00:11:54,533 --> 00:11:56,266 PREDECESSOR. 369 00:11:54,933 --> 00:11:56,933 I WAS VERY INTERESTED IN THAT 370 00:11:56,266 --> 00:12:01,166 IDEA, TOO. 371 00:11:56,933 --> 00:12:03,800 WHAT DOES THAT MEAN THE FACT 372 00:12:01,166 --> 00:12:05,566 THAT PEOPLE OF COLOR, WOMEN, 373 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,066 OTHER MINORITY AND MARGINALIZED 374 00:12:05,566 --> 00:12:10,166 GROUPS, THE WAY WE ENTER A 375 00:12:08,066 --> 00:12:12,700 POSITION OF POWER IS NOT THE 376 00:12:10,166 --> 00:12:13,566 SAME AS OTHER PEOPLE. 377 00:12:12,700 --> 00:12:15,800 >> Renee: AND SHE TALKS ABOUT 378 00:12:13,566 --> 00:12:18,533 THAT AND HAS A TERM FOR IT. 379 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:21,266 >> THE GLASS CLIFF IS WHAT SHE 380 00:12:18,533 --> 00:12:25,866 CALLED IT THE IDEA THAT YOU 381 00:12:21,266 --> 00:12:30,866 KNOW, IF THERE IS A SEX SCANDAL, 382 00:12:25,866 --> 00:12:33,566 YOU BRING IN A WOMAN TO REPLACE 383 00:12:30,866 --> 00:12:35,333 THAT PERSON IF IT IS RACIALLY 384 00:12:33,566 --> 00:12:35,833 SKINNED, YOU BRING IN A WOMAN OF 385 00:12:35,333 --> 00:12:37,666 COLOR. 386 00:12:35,833 --> 00:12:38,766 THERE WERE SO MANY SCANDALS THEY 387 00:12:37,666 --> 00:12:40,133 BROUGHT IN A WOMAN OF COLOR BUT 388 00:12:38,766 --> 00:12:41,433 YOU ARE WALKING INTO A SITUATION 389 00:12:40,133 --> 00:12:44,766 WHERE YOU ARE PUTTING OUT FIRES, 390 00:12:41,433 --> 00:12:46,600 YOU ARE TRYING TO BRING A NEW 391 00:12:44,766 --> 00:12:47,766 FACE AND IMAGE TO THE 392 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,400 INSTITUTION TRYING TO REHAB 393 00:12:47,766 --> 00:12:51,900 EVERYTHING SO YOU ARE NOT COMING 394 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,233 IN WHEN THE SHIP IS SMOOTH 395 00:12:51,900 --> 00:12:53,333 SAILING. 396 00:12:52,233 --> 00:12:55,733 YOU ARE COMING IN TO RIGHT THE 397 00:12:53,333 --> 00:12:58,666 SHIP AND SO YOUR OPPORTUNITY, 398 00:12:55,733 --> 00:12:59,000 YOUR CHANCE TO SUCCEED IS MUCH 399 00:12:58,666 --> 00:13:00,866 HARDER. 400 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,600 IT'S A STEEPER ROAD AND THEN 401 00:13:00,866 --> 00:13:03,866 WHEN YOU FAIL, IT'S VERY EASY 402 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,200 FOR THE PEOPLE IN THAT 403 00:13:03,866 --> 00:13:06,600 INSTITUTION, THOSE DECISION 404 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:10,500 MAKERS WHO HIRED YOU TO SAY 405 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:11,933 WELL, WE TRIED A WOMAN ISN'T 406 00:13:10,500 --> 00:13:15,466 TURN OUT THAT GREAT, LET'S GO 407 00:13:11,933 --> 00:13:18,366 BACK TO BUSINESS AS USUAL IN A 408 00:13:15,466 --> 00:13:19,900 LOT OF WAYS WHEN WE ENTER THESE 409 00:13:18,366 --> 00:13:21,000 POSITIONS OF POWER AND CHOSEN BY 410 00:13:19,900 --> 00:13:22,200 OTHER PEOPLE WE ARE SET UP TO 411 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,633 FAIL AND IT'S A REALLY TOUGH 412 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:27,033 SITUATION AND I THINK SHE 413 00:13:25,633 --> 00:13:28,833 RECOGNIZED THAT SHE PUT A NAME 414 00:13:27,033 --> 00:13:29,400 TO IT WHICH I THOUGHT WAS 415 00:13:28,833 --> 00:13:32,633 AMAZING. 416 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:34,566 AND SO SHE IS COMING INTO IT 417 00:13:32,633 --> 00:13:37,166 CLEAR EYED AND KNOWING WHAT SHE 418 00:13:34,566 --> 00:13:37,933 IS UP AGAINST. 419 00:13:37,166 --> 00:13:39,166 >> Renee: BUT AT THE SAME TIME 420 00:13:37,933 --> 00:13:40,933 THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE HAD 421 00:13:39,166 --> 00:13:42,533 YOU ON A FEW MONTHS AGO, TALKING 422 00:13:40,933 --> 00:13:43,933 ABOUT THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE 423 00:13:42,533 --> 00:13:47,366 MODEL MINORITY, RIGHT, SO THESE 424 00:13:43,933 --> 00:13:49,033 ARE ALMOST LIKE DICOTOMOUS 425 00:13:47,366 --> 00:13:50,333 CONCEPTS YOU HAVE, THIS GLASS 426 00:13:49,033 --> 00:13:52,200 CLIFF BUT YOU HAD THE PERCEPTION 427 00:13:50,333 --> 00:13:55,100 THAT ASIANS AND PACIFIC 428 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:57,466 ISLANDERS ARE THE MODEL-- IF 429 00:13:55,100 --> 00:13:59,500 THERE IS GOING TO BE A MINORITY 430 00:13:57,466 --> 00:14:01,533 GROUP, THIS IS WHAT THEY SHOULD 431 00:13:59,500 --> 00:14:03,200 BE AND LOOK LIKE AND PERFORM 432 00:14:01,533 --> 00:14:04,466 LIKE BECAUSE THEY'RE HIGH 433 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,566 ACHIEVERS AND WE ASSUME THAT 434 00:14:04,466 --> 00:14:09,633 THERE IS A LEVEL OF ACADEMIC 435 00:14:07,566 --> 00:14:10,266 ACUMEN THAT IS SUPERIOR AND ALL 436 00:14:09,633 --> 00:14:12,600 OF THESE THINGS. 437 00:14:10,266 --> 00:14:16,166 SO HOW DOES THAT RECONCILE WITH 438 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:17,733 THE WHOLE GLASS CLIFF LEXICON? 439 00:14:16,166 --> 00:14:19,033 >> IT STILL FITS INTO, I THINK, 440 00:14:17,733 --> 00:14:21,266 THE LIMITATIONS THAT ARE PLACED 441 00:14:19,033 --> 00:14:22,800 ON US IN TERMS OF THAT MODEL 442 00:14:21,266 --> 00:14:24,366 MINORITY. 443 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,600 WE HAVE CERTAIN LANES THAT WE 444 00:14:24,366 --> 00:14:28,366 ARE ALLOWED IN WHETHER IT'S 445 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:30,000 MEDICINE OR ENGINEERING OR 446 00:14:28,366 --> 00:14:31,766 ACADEMICS AND WE ARE NOT, YOU 447 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,933 KNOW, POSITIONS OF LEADERSHIP 448 00:14:31,766 --> 00:14:37,300 USUALLY ARE LESS TECHNICAL AND 449 00:14:34,933 --> 00:14:39,500 MORE ABOUT MANAGING PEOPLE, 450 00:14:37,300 --> 00:14:40,500 MANAGING MEDIA, MANAGING 451 00:14:39,500 --> 00:14:40,800 IMPRESSIONS, ALL THAT KIND OF 452 00:14:40,500 --> 00:14:42,133 STUFF. 453 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:45,066 WE ARE NOT SEEN AS HAVING THOSE 454 00:14:42,133 --> 00:14:47,700 KIND OF SORT OF SOFT SKILLS OR 455 00:14:45,066 --> 00:14:49,433 SOCIAL SKILLS SO TO ME, HER 456 00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:51,100 BEING IN THAT POSITION IS STILL 457 00:14:49,433 --> 00:14:53,400 REALLY, REALLY RARE AND IT 458 00:14:51,100 --> 00:14:56,366 DOESN'T FALL IN LINE TO WHAT I 459 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:58,533 THINK ABOUT WHEN I THINK ABOUT 460 00:14:56,366 --> 00:14:59,366 THE LANES, THE MODEL MINORITY 461 00:14:58,533 --> 00:15:00,733 TRAVEL IN. 462 00:14:59,366 --> 00:15:02,366 >> Renee: AND WE KNOW AS DAN 463 00:15:00,733 --> 00:15:03,800 DESCRIBED, SHE CAME IN WHERE 464 00:15:02,366 --> 00:15:05,033 THERE WERE TURBULENT CHOPPY 465 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,866 WATERS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF 466 00:15:05,033 --> 00:15:09,333 LOUISVILLE AND EVEN ADDRESSED 467 00:15:05,866 --> 00:15:10,533 THEM HEAD ON WITH THE RACIAL AND 468 00:15:09,333 --> 00:15:12,533 SOCIAL INJUSTICE. 469 00:15:10,533 --> 00:15:14,266 SHOE SHE HAS BEEN FORTHRIGHT 470 00:15:12,533 --> 00:15:17,766 ABOUT SAYING WE ARE GOING TO BE 471 00:15:14,266 --> 00:15:19,533 AN ANTI-RACIST INSTITUTION 472 00:15:17,766 --> 00:15:23,700 THAT'S STRONG, YOU KNOW, 473 00:15:19,533 --> 00:15:25,266 PROACTIVE LANGUAGE AND IT'S LIKE 474 00:15:23,700 --> 00:15:31,333 TAKING OWNERSHIP OF A CHECKERED 475 00:15:25,266 --> 00:15:33,066 PAST AND SAYING WELL, WE KNOW WE 476 00:15:31,333 --> 00:15:34,233 HAVEN'T DONE WAS WE NEEDED TO DO 477 00:15:33,066 --> 00:15:38,600 BUT UNDER MY WATCH WE ARE 478 00:15:34,233 --> 00:15:40,133 SETTING A NEW COURSE SO FOR A 479 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,466 WOMAN OF COLOR TO HEADACHE THAT 480 00:15:40,133 --> 00:15:42,733 PRONOUNCE MANY, HOW RISKY IS 481 00:15:41,466 --> 00:15:43,000 THAT FOR OTHERS WHO MIGHT FOLLOW 482 00:15:42,733 --> 00:15:45,333 HER? 483 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:49,766 >> IT IS VERY WHISKEY BECAUSE 484 00:15:45,333 --> 00:15:50,966 YOU DON'T KNOW IF THERE WILL BE 485 00:15:49,766 --> 00:15:52,366 ANOTHER PERSON IN YOUR SEAT. 486 00:15:50,966 --> 00:15:53,700 WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING 487 00:15:52,366 --> 00:15:54,733 TO KICK YOU OUT OF THE TABLE AND 488 00:15:53,700 --> 00:15:55,200 CLOSE THE DOOR AND LOCK IT 489 00:15:54,733 --> 00:15:57,933 BEHIND YOU. 490 00:15:55,200 --> 00:16:00,700 WHAT I LOVED ABOUT THE INTERVIEW 491 00:15:57,933 --> 00:16:01,800 IS THAT SHE HAD SAID, SHE TALKED 492 00:16:00,700 --> 00:16:03,300 ABOUT THE GLASS CLIFF AND 493 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,833 CONCEPT THAT'S PRETTY WELL KNOWN 494 00:16:03,300 --> 00:16:09,300 IN ACADEMICS AND IN BUSINESS, 495 00:16:05,833 --> 00:16:10,066 BUT SHE SAID MY GOAL I KNOW I'M 496 00:16:09,300 --> 00:16:12,466 GOING TO FAIL. 497 00:16:10,066 --> 00:16:14,400 I'M SET UP TO FAIL, BUT I WANT 498 00:16:12,466 --> 00:16:16,933 TO MAKE SURE THE PERSON BEHIND 499 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,133 ME IS ALSO A PERSON OF COLOR ON 500 00:16:16,933 --> 00:16:19,166 OR A WOMAN OF COLOR. 501 00:16:18,133 --> 00:16:20,133 I DON'T WANT TO BE THE LAST 502 00:16:19,166 --> 00:16:21,666 WOMAN OF COLOR AT THIS TABLE. 503 00:16:20,133 --> 00:16:22,866 I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE BUST THAT 504 00:16:21,666 --> 00:16:25,966 DOOR OPEN AND MAKE SURE WE BRING 505 00:16:22,866 --> 00:16:27,766 AS MANY PEOPLE BEHIND US AS 506 00:16:25,966 --> 00:16:28,933 POSSIBLE; WHICH I THINK IS A 507 00:16:27,766 --> 00:16:32,133 REALLY REVOLUTIONARY CONCEPT. 508 00:16:28,933 --> 00:16:34,866 LIKE YOU KNOW I FEEL LIKE I'M 509 00:16:32,133 --> 00:16:36,833 ALWAYS GOING AT 150% AND I NEED 510 00:16:34,866 --> 00:16:37,900 TO THINK ABOUT, I NEED TO GET TO 511 00:16:36,833 --> 00:16:39,900 THIS POINT AND STAY AT THIS 512 00:16:37,900 --> 00:16:42,033 POINT OR STAY AT THE TABLE BUT 513 00:16:39,900 --> 00:16:45,466 IF I THIS I ABOUT, OKAY, LET'S 514 00:16:42,033 --> 00:16:47,200 BRING AS MANY PEOPLE WITH ME AS 515 00:16:45,466 --> 00:16:47,533 POSSIBLE THEN THEY CAN'T SAY 516 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,466 THIS. 517 00:16:47,533 --> 00:16:50,300 THEY CAN'T CLOSE THE DOOR ON US. 518 00:16:49,466 --> 00:16:53,033 >> Renee: BUT THERE IS THE FEAR 519 00:16:50,300 --> 00:16:54,066 THAT THEY REALLY ONT WANT ONE. 520 00:16:53,033 --> 00:16:55,466 >> ABSOLUTELY. 521 00:16:54,066 --> 00:16:57,200 >> Renee: AND MORE THAN ONE IS A 522 00:16:55,466 --> 00:17:01,400 SERIOUS THREAT AND SO CHANGING 523 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:02,666 THAT MIND SET REALLY A PARADIGM 524 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,433 SHIFT IN THINKING THAT ONE 525 00:17:02,666 --> 00:17:05,966 DOESN'T MEAN THERE IS GOING TO 526 00:17:03,433 --> 00:17:08,300 BE A FUTURE MUTINY HERE, RIGHT? 527 00:17:05,966 --> 00:17:10,400 I MEAN YOU KNOW, THAT GETS A 528 00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:12,533 LITTLE TEDIOUS, RIGHT? 529 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,800 AND FOR SOME WOMEN, THINKING 530 00:17:12,533 --> 00:17:17,600 THAT I WANT TO STAKE MY CLAIM, 531 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,666 CEMENT MY OWN LEGACY, YOU KNOW, 532 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,966 WHOEVER COMES AFTER ME, THEY 533 00:17:18,666 --> 00:17:23,500 HAVE TO DO THEIR OWN THING, 534 00:17:21,966 --> 00:17:25,433 RIGHT? 535 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:26,800 BUT YOU THINK WOMEN ARE MORE 536 00:17:25,433 --> 00:17:28,766 OPENED UP TO MAKING SURE IT'S 537 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,466 NOT JUST A DOOR BUT A WIDE GATE 538 00:17:28,766 --> 00:17:30,833 THAT IS OPEN. 539 00:17:29,466 --> 00:17:34,866 >> I THINK SO. 540 00:17:30,833 --> 00:17:36,366 I MEAN THERE IS A REALLY GREAT 541 00:17:34,866 --> 00:17:39,300 CONCEPT DECOLONIZING YOUR MIND 542 00:17:36,366 --> 00:17:41,566 THINKING THAT IT IS WITHIN-- I'M 543 00:17:39,300 --> 00:17:43,133 JUST GOING TO SPEAK FOR MYSELF. 544 00:17:41,566 --> 00:17:44,666 IT IS WITHIN MY MIND THAT IT IS 545 00:17:43,133 --> 00:17:46,066 A COMPETITION BECAUSE THERE IS 546 00:17:44,666 --> 00:17:47,500 ONLY ONE SPOT THAT YOU ARE GOING 547 00:17:46,066 --> 00:17:48,566 TO BE THE BEST YOU CAN POSSIBLY 548 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:50,600 BE BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY ROOM 549 00:17:48,566 --> 00:17:52,500 FOR ONE PERSON AND I THINK DAN 550 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,266 IN A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS 551 00:17:52,500 --> 00:17:56,533 BROUGHT THIS UP TO ME BUT YOU 552 00:17:54,266 --> 00:17:56,833 KNOW, THERE IS ALWAYS ROOM FOR 553 00:17:56,533 --> 00:17:58,266 MORE. 554 00:17:56,833 --> 00:18:00,400 THERE IS NOT-- YEAH, LIKE YOU 555 00:17:58,266 --> 00:18:01,833 SAID, IT'S NOT JUST A DOOR. 556 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:05,000 IT COULD BE A GATE OR WHAT HAVE 557 00:18:01,833 --> 00:18:06,233 YOU BUT THERE IS ROOM FOR MORE 558 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,233 COLLABORATION NOT JUST ONE VOICE 559 00:18:06,233 --> 00:18:10,766 WE ARE TRYING TO LIFT UP I'M 560 00:18:09,233 --> 00:18:12,900 GOING THROUGH A PROCESS MYSELF 561 00:18:10,766 --> 00:18:14,200 THINKING I NEED TO DECOLONIZE 562 00:18:12,900 --> 00:18:17,466 THAT MIND SET AND TO REALLY 563 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:19,766 THINK OF IT LESS OF A 564 00:18:17,466 --> 00:18:20,533 COLLABORATION AS OPPOSED TO A 565 00:18:19,766 --> 00:18:22,000 COMPETITION. 566 00:18:20,533 --> 00:18:25,900 >> Renee: THE TARGET AUDIENCE 567 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:27,400 FOR YOUR PODCAST, IS IT FOR THE 568 00:18:25,900 --> 00:18:30,166 AAPI COMMUNITY OR OTHERS WHO ARE 569 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,700 NOT PART OF THAT COMMUNITY TO 570 00:18:30,166 --> 00:18:32,033 UNDERSTAND THE AAPI COMMUNITY. 571 00:18:31,700 --> 00:18:33,933 >> BOTH. 572 00:18:32,033 --> 00:18:38,366 >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION YOU 573 00:18:33,933 --> 00:18:44,000 KNOW, I JUST WATCHED THE NEW 574 00:18:38,366 --> 00:18:45,633 MARVEL MOVIE LED BY THE FIRST 575 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,233 ASIAN SUPERHERO ONE OF THE 576 00:18:45,633 --> 00:18:50,666 THINGS I LOVED THAT MOVIE, THE 577 00:18:48,233 --> 00:18:53,400 MOVIE HAS A SURPRISING AMOUNT OF 578 00:18:50,666 --> 00:18:55,300 DIALOGUE IN MANDARIN WITH 579 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,466 SUBTITLES WHICH, IN THE 580 00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:57,766 MAINSTREAM BIG BILL CLINTON 581 00:18:56,466 --> 00:18:58,466 BUSTER MOVIE THIS DON'T 582 00:18:57,766 --> 00:19:00,400 GENERALLY DO. 583 00:18:58,466 --> 00:19:02,233 WHAT THAT STOWED ME, ESPECIALLY 584 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,733 AS A CHINESE MANDARIN SPEAKER IS 585 00:19:02,233 --> 00:19:07,433 THAT THIS MOVIE IS FOR ME AND IF 586 00:19:04,733 --> 00:19:10,800 EVERYBODY ELSE ENJOYS IT, GREAT 587 00:19:07,433 --> 00:19:11,800 AND THAT'S THE WAY WE LOOK AT 588 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,033 THIS PODCAST AS WELL. 589 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:16,533 IT'S FOR THE FOLKS WHO HAVEN'T 590 00:19:14,033 --> 00:19:18,500 HEARD THEIR OWN VOICES MUCH LESS 591 00:19:16,533 --> 00:19:20,566 OTHER PEOPLE'S VOICES THAT SOUND 592 00:19:18,500 --> 00:19:21,566 LIKE THEIRS THAT HAVE SIMILAR 593 00:19:20,566 --> 00:19:23,733 EXPERIENCE TO KNOW THAT WE ARE 594 00:19:21,566 --> 00:19:29,833 NOT IN THIS ABEAN, THAT I MIGHT 595 00:19:23,733 --> 00:19:32,466 FEEL ALONE IN THE SMALL TOWN OF 596 00:19:29,833 --> 00:19:33,733 WILLIAMSBURG, KENTUCKY BUT THERE 597 00:19:32,466 --> 00:19:35,600 ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT GREW 598 00:19:33,733 --> 00:19:37,400 NEWSPAPER SMALL TOWNS THAT HAVE 599 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:40,000 HAD PARALLEL EXPERIENCE WITH ME 600 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:42,466 SO FIRST AND FOREMOST IT'S FOR 601 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,366 US. 602 00:19:42,466 --> 00:19:50,600 BUT THE SPECIFIC FROM THE 603 00:19:44,366 --> 00:19:51,900 SPECIFIC IS BORN THE UNIVERSAL A 604 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,466 LOT OF PEOPLE IN MEDIA OFTEN 605 00:19:51,900 --> 00:19:55,766 WILL SAY IF YOU MAKE A FILM WITH 606 00:19:53,466 --> 00:19:56,833 ALL BLACK FOLKS LIKE HOW ARE 607 00:19:55,766 --> 00:19:57,166 WHITE FOLKS GOING TO RELATE TO 608 00:19:56,833 --> 00:19:58,333 IT? 609 00:19:57,166 --> 00:20:00,966 WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING DECADES 610 00:19:58,333 --> 00:20:02,600 AND DECADES AND CENTURIES OF 611 00:20:00,966 --> 00:20:03,666 MEDIA THAT'S JUST WHITE FOLKS. 612 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,333 WE CAN STILL RELATE TO THAT. 613 00:20:03,666 --> 00:20:07,200 CAN I WATCH THE WONDER YEARS AND 614 00:20:05,333 --> 00:20:09,266 STILL GET SOMETHING OUT OF THAT 615 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,633 EVEN THOUGH ALL THOSE KIDS ARE 616 00:20:09,266 --> 00:20:13,400 WHITE, RIGHT? 617 00:20:11,633 --> 00:20:16,000 SO IT'S THE FLIP SIDE IS ALSO 618 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,200 TRUE THAT PEOPLE CAN LISTEN TO 619 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,800 THESE EXPERIENCES EVEN IF THEY 620 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,566 DIDN'T EMIGRATE FROM ANOTHER 621 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,266 COUNTRY, THEY CAN UNDERSTAND A 622 00:20:21,566 --> 00:20:28,966 MOM THAT'S ALWAYS TRYING TO 623 00:20:24,266 --> 00:20:29,733 OVERFEED YOU OR SOME SORT OF 624 00:20:28,966 --> 00:20:31,766 CULTURAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU 625 00:20:29,733 --> 00:20:32,866 AND THE LARGER COMMUNITY OR 626 00:20:31,766 --> 00:20:35,400 EXPECTATIONS FROM YOUR PARENTS 627 00:20:32,866 --> 00:20:37,433 OR GRAND PARENTS ALL THOSE 628 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,366 THINGS ARE UNIVERSAL THINGS. 629 00:20:37,433 --> 00:20:41,133 THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE 630 00:20:39,366 --> 00:20:43,466 SAME LANGUAGE AND HAVE THE SAME 631 00:20:41,133 --> 00:20:45,366 FACE OR NAMES AS YOU BUT ALL 632 00:20:43,466 --> 00:20:47,200 THOSE ELEMENTS ARE THERE. 633 00:20:45,366 --> 00:20:47,800 >> Renee: SHARED EXPERIENCES 634 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,300 RIGHT. 635 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,366 >> ABSOLUTELY. 636 00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:55,566 >> Renee: HAVE I TO ASK LIKE WHO 637 00:20:50,366 --> 00:20:57,700 IS AFTER Dr. VINDAPUTI AND 638 00:20:55,566 --> 00:20:58,933 OTHER THAN HER, WHO WOULD BE 639 00:20:57,700 --> 00:21:03,066 YOUR DREAM GET IN THE BUSINESS? 640 00:20:58,933 --> 00:21:05,733 WHO WOULD YOU WANT TO INTERVIEW 641 00:21:03,066 --> 00:21:08,533 YOUR FIRST SEASON. 642 00:21:05,733 --> 00:21:12,166 >> I HAVE SOMEBODY AND LET'S SEE 643 00:21:08,533 --> 00:21:14,400 IF SHE IS WATCHING THIS SHOW 644 00:21:12,166 --> 00:21:20,000 SCWHRR THAT'S PRESSURE. 645 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:21,533 >> WE HAVE IN LEXINGTON NOT JUST 646 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,866 ONE OLYMPIAN, BUT TWO. 647 00:21:21,533 --> 00:21:27,966 WE HAVE AN OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALIST 648 00:21:24,866 --> 00:21:31,200 IN FENCING LEE KIEFFER AND HER 649 00:21:27,966 --> 00:21:32,066 HUSBAND GARRICK WHO WON A BRONZE 650 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,466 IN FENCING. 651 00:21:32,066 --> 00:21:35,933 WE REACHED OUT TO THEM. 652 00:21:33,466 --> 00:21:37,900 THEY UNDERSTANDABLY WERE PLAYING 653 00:21:35,933 --> 00:21:38,400 CATCH UP FROM A YEAR OF TRAINING 654 00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:39,733 FOR THE OLYMPICS. 655 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,033 WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM AND NOW 656 00:21:39,733 --> 00:21:45,300 THE PRESSURE IS ON. 657 00:21:41,033 --> 00:21:45,700 I'VE CALLED THEM OUT ON PUBLIC 658 00:21:45,300 --> 00:21:46,566 TELEVISION. 659 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:47,433 >> Renee: YOU HAVE TO SEND THEM 660 00:21:46,566 --> 00:21:49,533 A LEANING TO THE SHOW. 661 00:21:47,433 --> 00:21:50,566 >> TO ME NOT ONLY IS THAT A 662 00:21:49,533 --> 00:21:53,633 TREMENDOUS ACHIEVEMENT, THESE 663 00:21:50,566 --> 00:21:55,633 TWO FOLKS ARE ALSO IN MED SCHOOL 664 00:21:53,633 --> 00:21:57,100 HERE THEY HAVE, I'M SURE 665 00:21:55,633 --> 00:22:00,700 INTERESTING STORIES AS ANYBODY 666 00:21:57,100 --> 00:22:04,566 ELSE I JUST KIND OF WANT TO KNOW 667 00:22:00,700 --> 00:22:06,433 WHAT WERE THE OLYMPICS LIKE. 668 00:22:04,566 --> 00:22:08,233 >> AND PARTICULARLY IN THE COVID 669 00:22:06,433 --> 00:22:10,466 ERA WE ARE IN AND NOT HAVING 670 00:22:08,233 --> 00:22:11,833 FAMILY PRESENT. 671 00:22:10,466 --> 00:22:13,966 THE SHARED COMOB CURIOSITIES 672 00:22:11,833 --> 00:22:15,800 THAT WE ALL HAVE, YOU WANT TO 673 00:22:13,966 --> 00:22:17,866 KNOW AND, YEAH AND AT A TIME 674 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:20,500 WHEN WE ARE SO DIVIDED, SHAR 675 00:22:17,866 --> 00:22:23,600 MEAN, I MEAN ALONG POLITICAL AND 676 00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:25,366 RACIAL AND ETHNIC LINES, WE ARE 677 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,600 PRETTY FAR APART RIGHT NOW. 678 00:22:25,366 --> 00:22:28,066 HOW CAN THIS BE A BRIDGE 679 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,233 BUILDER? 680 00:22:28,066 --> 00:22:31,600 >> WELL, IT'S INTERESTING 681 00:22:29,233 --> 00:22:36,333 BECAUSE I ALSO-- WHEN WE WERE 682 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:39,166 TALKING ABOUT THIS SHOW WE 683 00:22:36,333 --> 00:22:42,266 REGARDED ALL 12 EPISODES WITHIN 684 00:22:39,166 --> 00:22:44,400 12 WEEKS. 685 00:22:42,266 --> 00:22:45,133 -- IN TWO WEEKS. 686 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,733 >> Renee: THAT'S AMBITIOUS. 687 00:22:45,133 --> 00:22:47,366 I'M NOT WORTHY. 688 00:22:45,733 --> 00:22:48,566 >> I SAID HAVE I TWO WEEKS 689 00:22:47,366 --> 00:22:53,266 BEFORE I GO BACK TO WORK. 690 00:22:48,566 --> 00:22:57,100 SO YOU HAVE ME FOR TWO WEEKS. 691 00:22:53,266 --> 00:22:59,833 I DO THINK THE STORIES, LIKE DAN 692 00:22:57,100 --> 00:23:01,433 SAID, HE SAID IT INCREDIBLY THAT 693 00:22:59,833 --> 00:23:03,500 THEY'RE UNIVERSAL STORIES I 694 00:23:01,433 --> 00:23:04,900 THINK ONCE YOU HUMANIZE A 695 00:23:03,500 --> 00:23:09,466 CONCEPT, PEOPLE WILL COME 696 00:23:04,900 --> 00:23:12,333 TOGETHER AND CHEER YOU ON THAT'S 697 00:23:09,466 --> 00:23:16,100 THE OPTIMIST IN ME BUT I ALSO 698 00:23:12,333 --> 00:23:16,700 THINK IT'S A PLATFORM FOR YOU'RE 699 00:23:16,100 --> 00:23:21,900 EVERY PERSON. 700 00:23:16,700 --> 00:23:23,200 WE WOULD LOVE-- WE WOULD LOVE TO 701 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:27,033 GET LEE TO COME TO THE SHOW BUT 702 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:28,100 WE HAVE A LOT-- WE HAVE AN 703 00:23:27,033 --> 00:23:30,066 EDUCATION AMERICAN MOM WHO IS 704 00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:33,066 TRYING TO RAISE THEIR CHILD IN 705 00:23:30,066 --> 00:23:37,366 LOUISVILLE OR WE HAVE, THERE IS 706 00:23:33,066 --> 00:23:40,600 A LOT OF EVERYDAY STORIES AND A 707 00:23:37,366 --> 00:23:42,200 LOT OF I GIVES A PLATFORM FOR 708 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,566 PEOPLE TO RELATE TO AND 709 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,666 HUMANIZE. 710 00:23:42,566 --> 00:23:46,100 AND BECAUSE IT'S NOT A VISUAL 711 00:23:44,666 --> 00:23:50,733 MEDIUM, YOU CAN TUNE IN AND NOT 712 00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:54,166 KNOW NECESSARILY THAT IT'S AAPI. 713 00:23:50,733 --> 00:23:56,266 >> WE HAVE AN EP SOD COMING, I'M 714 00:23:54,166 --> 00:23:59,200 NOT SURE WHEN IN THE SEASON. 715 00:23:56,266 --> 00:24:00,566 THERE IS A LADY NAMED ANGELIQUE 716 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,133 WEAVER AND I DON'T WANT TO TELL 717 00:24:00,566 --> 00:24:07,566 YOU ANYMORE ABOUT IT BUT IT'S A 718 00:24:03,133 --> 00:24:09,533 GREAT, GREAT LISTEN. 719 00:24:07,566 --> 00:24:13,233 SHE GREW UP IN WILLIAMSBURG 720 00:24:09,533 --> 00:24:14,866 KENTUCKY WHICH SHE TOLD ME IS 1% 721 00:24:13,233 --> 00:24:17,566 NOT WHITE, EYE SMALL COMMUNITY 722 00:24:14,866 --> 00:24:19,333 TO BEGIN WITH 5,000 PEOPLE. 723 00:24:17,566 --> 00:24:21,166 I WAS DOING THE MATH AND I WAS 724 00:24:19,333 --> 00:24:25,233 LIKE YOU ARE ONE OF 50 NON-WHITE 725 00:24:21,166 --> 00:24:30,566 PEOPLE IN THAT PLACE LIKE YOU 726 00:24:25,233 --> 00:24:32,200 LITERALLY COULD NO EVERY 727 00:24:30,566 --> 00:24:33,766 NON-WHITE PERSON IN THE PLACE. 728 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,900 SHE IS PROBABLY THE ONLY ASIAN 729 00:24:33,766 --> 00:24:40,333 AMERICAN THERE. 730 00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:42,066 I WILL JUST SAY THAT AS AN AUDIO 731 00:24:40,333 --> 00:24:44,266 MEDIUM, HER EPISODE IS PRETTY 732 00:24:42,066 --> 00:24:45,533 GREAT. 733 00:24:44,266 --> 00:24:45,866 >> Renee: WE WILL BE LISTENING 734 00:24:45,533 --> 00:24:47,566 TO THAT. 735 00:24:45,866 --> 00:24:48,800 THAT'S THE LUXURY OF HAVING YOUR 736 00:24:47,566 --> 00:24:51,933 OWN PLATFORM YOU GET TO CHOOSE 737 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:57,566 WHO IS INTERESTING TO YOU AND 738 00:24:51,933 --> 00:24:58,766 THAT CAN VARY AND WHETHER THEY 739 00:24:57,566 --> 00:25:01,400 DON'T WANT TO BE ON TELEVISION 740 00:24:58,766 --> 00:25:01,700 OR DON'T WANT THEIR VOICE TO BE 741 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,933 HEARD. 742 00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:04,333 WE KNOW THERE HAS BEEN 743 00:25:02,933 --> 00:25:06,900 RESISTANCE BY SOME WHO FEAR 744 00:25:04,333 --> 00:25:08,400 TELLING THEIR STORIES THEY FEAR 745 00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:10,400 FOR NOT JUST THEIR LIVELIHOOD 746 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,400 BUT PERSONHOOD AND SAFETY, TO 747 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,033 THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE HATE 748 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:17,466 COULD BE AT SUCH A LEVEL WHERE 749 00:25:14,033 --> 00:25:20,400 IT MUZZLED PEOPLE'S FREEDOM OF 750 00:25:17,466 --> 00:25:21,566 SPEECH, RIGHT? 751 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,033 >> WE HAD A COUPLE OF GUESTS WHO 752 00:25:21,566 --> 00:25:24,766 SAID THEY WERE NOT COMFORTABLE 753 00:25:23,033 --> 00:25:25,866 BEING ON THE SHOW BECAUSE 754 00:25:24,766 --> 00:25:28,000 PARTICULARLY ONE WHO HAS NOT 755 00:25:25,866 --> 00:25:29,100 COME OUT TO THEIR PARENTS YET. 756 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:33,833 THEY IDENTIFY WITH THE LGBTQ 757 00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:37,366 COMMUNITY AND SO IT WAS GOING TO 758 00:25:33,833 --> 00:25:38,766 BE TO BE ON A PUBLIC PLATFORM, 759 00:25:37,366 --> 00:25:40,233 IT WAS SCARY TORE THEM. 760 00:25:38,766 --> 00:25:42,400 WE REACHED OUT TO SOME PEOPLE 761 00:25:40,233 --> 00:25:47,333 WHO ARE UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS 762 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:48,800 FROM THE THE ASIAN AND THEY HAVE 763 00:25:47,333 --> 00:25:53,333 SAID I'M NOT COMFORTABLE SHARING 764 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:55,000 THAT STORY RIGHT NOW AND BEING 765 00:25:53,333 --> 00:25:57,833 HERE I THINK IT'S A FEAR. 766 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,733 I HAVE A VERY BIG FEAR OF BEING 767 00:25:57,833 --> 00:26:03,833 VERY OPEN ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE. 768 00:25:59,733 --> 00:26:05,766 I DON'T USUALLY TALK ABOUT IT IN 769 00:26:03,833 --> 00:26:09,600 PUBLIC SETTINGS ESPECIALLY ON 770 00:26:05,766 --> 00:26:15,700 LOUISVILLE PUBLIC MEDIA OR KET. 771 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:18,033 SO I'M NERVOUS OF FAMILY MEMBERS 772 00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:25,233 WHO SAY WHY ARE YOU SAYING THAT? 773 00:26:18,033 --> 00:26:26,900 I'M NOT-- IT IS-- IT'S VERY 774 00:26:25,233 --> 00:26:28,200 NERVE RACKING FOR ME BECAUSE I'M 775 00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:29,633 NOT IN THE PUBLIC EYE BUT IT'S 776 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,400 AN IMPORTANT TIME AND IMPORTANT 777 00:26:29,633 --> 00:26:33,366 MOMENT RIGHT NOW AND THAT 778 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,566 MOVEMENT HAS TO HAPPEN. 779 00:26:33,366 --> 00:26:36,066 >> Renee: WHAT WE DO KNOW IS 780 00:26:34,566 --> 00:26:37,666 THAT TRANSPARENCY MAKES AN 781 00:26:36,066 --> 00:26:39,200 IMPACT AND IT MIGHT BE NEGATIVE 782 00:26:37,666 --> 00:26:40,933 AT FIRST, BUT AT LEAST IT PLANTS 783 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,466 A SEED TO START A CONVERSATION, 784 00:26:40,933 --> 00:26:45,033 EVEN WITH OUR OWN FAMILIES. 785 00:26:42,466 --> 00:26:46,100 NOW IF THERE WAS EVER A TIME 786 00:26:45,033 --> 00:26:48,900 SOME OF US NEED TO HAVE 787 00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:50,366 CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR FAMILIES, 788 00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:52,900 IT'S RIGHT NOW BUT THAT'S A 789 00:26:50,366 --> 00:26:54,333 DIFFERENT TOP TOPIC. 790 00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:56,100 ITE HAS BEEN A PLEASURE MEETING 791 00:26:54,333 --> 00:26:56,533 YOU CHARLENE AND DAN, YOU ARE 792 00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:59,100 OLD HAT. 793 00:26:56,533 --> 00:27:01,000 WE WANT TO HAVE YOU COME BACK 794 00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:02,566 AND TEM US HOW IT IS GOING IN A 795 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,733 FEW MONTHS AND OUR BEST TO 796 00:27:02,566 --> 00:27:05,800 EVERYBODY WHO HELPED MAKE THIS 797 00:27:04,733 --> 00:27:07,000 HAPPEN AS WELL THANK YOU FOR 798 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,200 WATCHING THIS EDITION OF 799 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,266 CONNECTIONS, I'M RENEE SHAW. 800 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:13,800 YOU CAN LISTEN TO US IN PODCAST, 801 00:27:11,266 --> 00:27:15,866 TOO GO ON ket.org. 802 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,066 CONNECT WITH ME ON FACEBOOK AND 803 00:27:15,866 --> 00:27:20,066 TWITTER AND WEBSITE.