1 00:00:12,466 --> 00:00:14,366 >> Renee: THERE IS A GROWING 2 00:00:13,033 --> 00:00:15,566 WAVE OF AGREEMENT THAT THE 3 00:00:14,366 --> 00:00:16,300 GROWING NUMBER OF WOMEN BEHIND 4 00:00:15,566 --> 00:00:17,166 BARS NEEDS DESPERATE ATTENTION. 5 00:00:16,300 --> 00:00:18,433 WHILE THE DRAMA WEB SERIES 6 00:00:17,166 --> 00:00:19,600 "ORANGE IS THE NEW BLACK" HAS 7 00:00:18,433 --> 00:00:24,433 ENRAPTURED VIEWERS, THE PROBLEMS 8 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:25,200 OF FEMALE PRISONERS AND THE 9 00:00:24,433 --> 00:00:25,933 REASONS THEY'RE LOCKED UP IN THE 10 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,166 FIRST PLACE SOME BELIEVE SHOULD 11 00:00:25,933 --> 00:00:27,733 TAKE A MORE PROMINENT PLACE IN 12 00:00:27,166 --> 00:00:28,733 DEBATES ABOUT MASSIVE 13 00:00:27,733 --> 00:00:31,733 INCARCERATION AND CRIMINAL 14 00:00:28,733 --> 00:00:33,233 JUSTICE REFORM. 15 00:00:31,733 --> 00:00:34,633 KENTUCKIAN HOLLY HARRIS WITH THE 16 00:00:33,233 --> 00:00:36,066 JUSTICE ACTION NETWORK IS TRYING 17 00:00:34,633 --> 00:00:39,133 TO ELEVATE THAT CONVERSATION AND 18 00:00:36,066 --> 00:00:49,433 SHE TELLS US ALL ABOUT IT NOW ON 19 00:00:39,133 --> 00:00:49,433 "CONNECTIONS." 20 00:00:51,066 --> 00:00:54,033 THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR " 21 00:00:53,033 --> 00:00:55,533 CONNECTIONS" TODAY. 22 00:00:54,033 --> 00:00:56,933 I'M RENEE SHAW. 23 00:00:55,533 --> 00:00:58,833 IN 1970 FEWER THAN 8,000 WOMEN 24 00:00:56,933 --> 00:01:01,300 WERE IN JAIL. 25 00:00:58,833 --> 00:01:01,800 TODAY, OVER 100,000 ARE BEHIND 26 00:01:01,300 --> 00:01:03,600 BARS. 27 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,100 MANY OF THOSE WOMEN HAVE A 28 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,800 SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS AND MOST 29 00:01:05,100 --> 00:01:08,366 HAVE A HISTORY OF DRUG OR 30 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,566 ALCOHOL ABUSE. 31 00:01:08,366 --> 00:01:12,000 CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM IS THE 32 00:01:09,566 --> 00:01:12,900 PASSION OF TODAY'S GUEST WHO IS 33 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,466 THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE 34 00:01:12,900 --> 00:01:16,366 U.S. JUSTICE ACTION NETWORK THAT 35 00:01:14,466 --> 00:01:17,900 IS THE FIRST ORGANIZATION OF ITS 36 00:01:16,366 --> 00:01:19,066 KIND TO BRING TOGETHER PROGRESS 37 00:01:17,900 --> 00:01:20,966 IVE AND CONSERVATIVE 38 00:01:19,066 --> 00:01:22,566 POLICY MAKERS AND PARTNERS TO 39 00:01:20,966 --> 00:01:22,900 REFORM THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE 40 00:01:22,566 --> 00:01:24,466 SYSTEM. 41 00:01:22,900 --> 00:01:25,200 WE WANT TO SAY WELCOME HOME, 42 00:01:24,466 --> 00:01:26,866 HOLLY HARRIS. 43 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,666 >> INGS THAT. 44 00:01:26,866 --> 00:01:30,466 LIKE DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN. 45 00:01:29,666 --> 00:01:31,666 >> Renee: YOU SHOULD BE A 46 00:01:30,466 --> 00:01:33,500 FAMILIAR FACE TO MANY WHO YOU 47 00:01:31,666 --> 00:01:35,266 SAID IT WAS 20 YEARS AGO ALMOST 48 00:01:33,500 --> 00:01:37,666 WHEN YOU USED TO BE ON THE TV 49 00:01:35,266 --> 00:01:40,233 AIR WAVES IN LEXINGTON ON THE 50 00:01:37,666 --> 00:01:42,166 CBS AFFILIATE THEN YOU WENT ON 51 00:01:40,233 --> 00:01:44,066 AND I USED TO SEE YOU IN THE 52 00:01:42,166 --> 00:01:45,133 CAPITOL HALLS, GENERAL COUNSEL 53 00:01:44,066 --> 00:01:47,633 FOR THE SENATE PRESIDENT. 54 00:01:45,133 --> 00:01:49,233 YOU HAVE DONE LOTS OF 55 00:01:47,633 --> 00:01:51,433 INTERESTING THINGS IN YOUR LIFE. 56 00:01:49,233 --> 00:01:54,533 >> WHEN I'M UP IN D.C., I GET 57 00:01:51,433 --> 00:01:55,633 ASKED ALL THE TIME, IS IT A 58 00:01:54,533 --> 00:02:01,300 DIFFERENT TRANSITION FOR YOU TO 59 00:01:55,633 --> 00:02:01,800 BE IN THIS ACIDIC POLITICAL 60 00:02:01,300 --> 00:02:04,300 ENVIRONMENT. 61 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,800 I SAY I'M FROM KENTUCKY. 62 00:02:04,300 --> 00:02:07,900 I WAS WELL PREPARED. 63 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,100 I FEEL LIKE YOU AND BILL AND 64 00:02:07,900 --> 00:02:13,000 EVERYBODY HERE AT KET, I MEAN 65 00:02:10,100 --> 00:02:14,300 EVERYBODY HERE ALL PROS AND SO, 66 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,800 D.C. WAS NOTHING FOR ME. 67 00:02:14,300 --> 00:02:17,200 >> Renee: WE PREPARED YOU WELL. 68 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,866 WE'LL TAKE SOME CREDIT. 69 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,700 I DID IT ALL ON YOUR OWN WITHOUT 70 00:02:18,866 --> 00:02:20,966 ANY HELP FROM US. 71 00:02:19,700 --> 00:02:21,900 TELL US HOW YOU REALLY GOT 72 00:02:20,966 --> 00:02:23,700 INVOLVED WITH CRIMINAL JUSTICE 73 00:02:21,900 --> 00:02:24,800 REFORM AND THE JUSTICE ACTION 74 00:02:23,700 --> 00:02:26,500 NETWORK WHAT DREW TO YOU THIS 75 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,166 LINE OF WORK AND TELL US ABOUT 76 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:28,566 THE ORGANIZATION IN AND OF 77 00:02:28,166 --> 00:02:31,366 ITSELF? 78 00:02:28,566 --> 00:02:33,066 >> I STARTED MY LEGAL CAREER AS 79 00:02:31,366 --> 00:02:35,066 A LAWYER FOR THE JUSTICE CABINET 80 00:02:33,066 --> 00:02:36,866 I ACTUALLY WROTE THE BRIEF 81 00:02:35,066 --> 00:02:37,233 DEFENDING THE LETHAL INJECTION 82 00:02:36,866 --> 00:02:38,966 PROTOCOL. 83 00:02:37,233 --> 00:02:39,666 WHEN YOU ARE YOUNG, THE WORLD IS 84 00:02:38,966 --> 00:02:41,466 VERY BLACK AND WHITE AND THERE 85 00:02:39,666 --> 00:02:43,466 IS RIGHT AND WRONG AND AS YOU 86 00:02:41,466 --> 00:02:45,500 GET OLDER AND MAKE SOME MISTAKES 87 00:02:43,466 --> 00:02:47,033 YOURSELF WHICH I'VE MADE A FEW, 88 00:02:45,500 --> 00:02:49,766 YOU BECOME FAR MORE TOLERANT AND 89 00:02:47,033 --> 00:02:51,066 , YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY A 90 00:02:49,766 --> 00:02:53,333 PROPONENT OF SECOND CHANCES. 91 00:02:51,066 --> 00:02:57,033 I'VE CERTAINLY BENEFITED FROM 92 00:02:53,333 --> 00:02:58,866 SECOND CHANCES AND SO, YOU KNOW, 93 00:02:57,033 --> 00:03:02,000 I'VE GROWN IN THAT REGARD, BUT 94 00:02:58,866 --> 00:03:03,900 YOU KNOW, I CAME OUT, AS YOU 95 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,400 KNOW, OF A VERY DIFFICULT 96 00:03:03,900 --> 00:03:07,400 GOVERNOR'S RACE AND WAS REALLY 97 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,000 LOOKING FOR A FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE 98 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,100 AND I REALLY WANTED TO DO 99 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,833 SOMETHING WHERE I COULD FEEL 100 00:03:10,100 --> 00:03:15,800 LIKE I WAS IMPACTING PEOPLE IN A 101 00:03:13,833 --> 00:03:16,933 POSSIBLE-- POSITIVE WAY. 102 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,500 CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM WAS RIS 103 00:03:16,933 --> 00:03:20,100 ING UP AS THE NEXT BIG ISSUE 104 00:03:18,500 --> 00:03:21,600 WHERE WE COULD FIND SOLUTIONS IN 105 00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:23,400 THIS COUNTRY AND WE'VE HAD A 106 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,600 GREAT RUN AT THE JUSTICE ACTION 107 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,000 NETWORK THE LAST TWO YEARS. 108 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,900 I FEEL REALLY LUCKY TO WORK IN 109 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,400 THIS BASE. 110 00:03:27,900 --> 00:03:30,466 >> YOU ARE WORKING WITH PROGRESS 111 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:30,800 IVE AND CONSERVATIVE 112 00:03:30,466 --> 00:03:33,500 VOICES. 113 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,000 WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK IT. 114 00:03:33,500 --> 00:03:37,400 NEWT NEWT, RAND PAUL HAS COME 115 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:46,100 OUT ON SOME THINGS LIKE THE 116 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:51,166 MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCES. 117 00:03:46,100 --> 00:03:52,166 YOU HAVE PEOPLE HO HAVE FOUND 118 00:03:51,166 --> 00:03:54,166 POLITICAL COMMON GROUND. 119 00:03:52,166 --> 00:03:55,966 EVERYTHING GETS TAINTED BY 120 00:03:54,166 --> 00:03:57,500 POLITICS, DO YOU THINK THIS 121 00:03:55,966 --> 00:03:59,566 POLITICAL ISSUE IS FREER OF SOME 122 00:03:57,500 --> 00:04:01,533 OF THE OTHER POLITICAL 123 00:03:59,566 --> 00:04:02,433 IMPERATIVES WHERE POLITICIANS 124 00:04:01,533 --> 00:04:05,100 MIGHT FALL OUT. 125 00:04:02,433 --> 00:04:07,133 >> I FEEL LIKE IT'S THE LAST 126 00:04:05,100 --> 00:04:09,200 SACRED SPACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE 127 00:04:07,133 --> 00:04:10,900 STILL REACH AGO CROSS THE AISLE. 128 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,500 WE HAD AN EVENT IN WASHINGTON 129 00:04:10,900 --> 00:04:13,533 D.C. CALLED WOMEN UNSHACKLED 130 00:04:12,500 --> 00:04:17,400 WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE 131 00:04:13,533 --> 00:04:20,000 ISSUES YOU WERE DISCUSSES. 132 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,800 AS YOU MENTIONED, COREY BOOKER 133 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,500 WHO TOOK THE STAGE. 134 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,033 CONGRESSMAN DOUG COLLINS FROM 135 00:04:23,500 --> 00:04:29,933 GEORGIA STAUNCH CONSERVATIVE, 136 00:04:25,033 --> 00:04:31,300 YOU KNOW, PROGRESSIVE FORMER 137 00:04:29,933 --> 00:04:33,100 ATTORNEY GENERAL FROM CALIFORNIA 138 00:04:31,300 --> 00:04:34,300 , SO AND WE DID THIS 139 00:04:33,100 --> 00:04:36,300 BY DESIGN, YOU KNOW. 140 00:04:34,300 --> 00:04:37,600 WE WENT RIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT 141 00:04:36,300 --> 00:04:39,300 , RIGHT BECAUSE CRIMINAL 142 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,500 JUSTICE REFORM IS AN ISSUE THAT 143 00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:42,100 IS, IT'S NOT A PROGRESSIVE OR 144 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:43,200 CONSERVATIVE ISSUE. 145 00:04:42,100 --> 00:04:44,500 IT'S AN AMERICAN ISSUE. 146 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,600 WE FIND OURSELVES IN THIS 147 00:04:44,500 --> 00:04:47,000 COUNTRY, WE ARE NOW IN A PLACE 148 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,700 WHERE ONE IN THREE AMERICAN 149 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,433 ADULTS HAS A CRIMINAL RECORD. 150 00:04:48,700 --> 00:04:51,466 ONE IN THREE. 151 00:04:49,433 --> 00:04:53,566 I SAY GO TO CHURCH ON SUNDAY, 152 00:04:51,466 --> 00:04:59,066 LOOK TOE YOUR LEFT, TO YOUR 153 00:04:53,566 --> 00:05:03,033 RIGHT, ODDS ARE ONE OF THEM HAVE 154 00:04:59,066 --> 00:05:10,233 HAD A BRUSH WITH THE LAW. 155 00:05:03,033 --> 00:05:11,633 I GO TO PROM PROMINENT 156 00:05:10,233 --> 00:05:13,333 PREDOMINANTLY BLACK CHURCH AND 157 00:05:11,633 --> 00:05:16,033 PEOPLE COME UP TO ME, MOST OF 158 00:05:13,333 --> 00:05:17,033 THEM FELON, BECAUSE THEY GET KET 159 00:05:16,033 --> 00:05:17,733 AND THEY'RE REALLY TRYING 2K0 160 00:05:17,033 --> 00:05:19,800 THE RIGHT THING. 161 00:05:17,733 --> 00:05:21,733 SO WHEN YOU INTERACT WITH FELONS 162 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,733 WHICH YOU KNOW HAS BEEN A CURSE 163 00:05:21,733 --> 00:05:25,500 WORD, YOU REALLY SEE THE 164 00:05:23,733 --> 00:05:26,733 HUMANITY OF THIS PERSON 165 00:05:25,500 --> 00:05:28,533 REGARDLESS OF PERHAPS WHAT THEY 166 00:05:26,733 --> 00:05:30,133 DID WAS WRONG AND I'M NOT 167 00:05:28,533 --> 00:05:31,900 EXCUSING THAT BUT YOU SEE THE 168 00:05:30,133 --> 00:05:34,600 HUMANITY OF WHO THEY ARE. 169 00:05:31,900 --> 00:05:36,900 >> AND I BRING SOME GOOD NEWS. 170 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,400 I'VE BEEN ON SEVERAL CALLS 171 00:05:36,900 --> 00:05:39,500 RECENTLY, YOU KNOW, WE HELPED TO 172 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,100 FUND A LOT OF THE GROUPS OUT 173 00:05:39,500 --> 00:05:43,266 THERE THAT ARE WORKING IN THIS 174 00:05:42,100 --> 00:05:45,200 SPACE BOTH ON THE RIGHT AND ON 175 00:05:43,266 --> 00:05:45,600 THE LEFT AND IT'S REALLY 176 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,600 INTERESTING. 177 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,500 EVERYBODY IS WANTING TO WORK IN 178 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,800 KENTUCKY RIGHT NOW. 179 00:05:48,500 --> 00:05:51,300 >> Renee: KENTUCKY IS DOING IT 180 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,400 BIG WHEN IT COMES TO THIS ISSUE? 181 00:05:51,300 --> 00:05:54,400 >> WE REALLY HAVE DONE A 182 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,800 PHENOMENAL JOB HERE. 183 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,133 LOUISIANA JUST PASSED A TON OF 184 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,166 REFORMS. 185 00:05:58,133 --> 00:06:02,033 GEORGIA IS ACCOMPLISHED IN THE 186 00:06:00,166 --> 00:06:03,366 THIS SPACE BUT IT'S GREAT TO SEE 187 00:06:02,033 --> 00:06:05,066 KENTUCKY AS EMERGING AS ONE OF 188 00:06:03,366 --> 00:06:06,366 THE STATES THAT REALLY FORWARD 189 00:06:05,066 --> 00:06:07,733 THINKING WITH RESPECT TO 190 00:06:06,366 --> 00:06:08,933 CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM POLICIES 191 00:06:07,733 --> 00:06:09,933 SO I'M PROUD OF THAT. 192 00:06:08,933 --> 00:06:11,733 >> Renee: I GUESS MANY PEOPLE 193 00:06:09,933 --> 00:06:12,033 WOULD WONDER WHEN DID THE SHIFT 194 00:06:11,733 --> 00:06:13,533 COME? 195 00:06:12,033 --> 00:06:14,966 YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HEAR ABOUT 196 00:06:13,533 --> 00:06:17,733 VERY MUCH LAW AND ORDER STATES. 197 00:06:14,966 --> 00:06:19,933 WE THINK OF TEXAS, SOME STOP AND 198 00:06:17,733 --> 00:06:20,333 FRISK POLICIES THAT NEW YORK HAD 199 00:06:19,933 --> 00:06:22,333 IMPLEMENTED. 200 00:06:20,333 --> 00:06:23,633 SO WE THINK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE 201 00:06:22,333 --> 00:06:25,133 POLICIES THAT HAPPENED IN THESE 202 00:06:23,633 --> 00:06:27,033 OTHER STATES BUT YET THERE SEEMS 203 00:06:25,133 --> 00:06:28,133 TO BE STATES LIKE KENTUCKY, 204 00:06:27,033 --> 00:06:29,500 LOUISIANA, ALL THESE OTHER 205 00:06:28,133 --> 00:06:31,533 STATES THAT ARE TAKING A TURN 206 00:06:29,500 --> 00:06:33,533 FROM LAW AND ORDER OR IS THERE A 207 00:06:31,533 --> 00:06:34,933 BALANCE BECAUSE THERE IS SOME 208 00:06:33,533 --> 00:06:36,800 FEAR AS YOU'VE HEARD FROM SOME 209 00:06:34,933 --> 00:06:39,600 OF OUR OWN KENTUCKY SENATORS, WE 210 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,833 DON'T WANT TO GIVE TOO MANY 211 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,100 SYMPATHY TO THOSE WHO COMMIT 212 00:06:40,833 --> 00:06:44,500 CRIMES THAT SOMEHOW WE ARE 213 00:06:42,100 --> 00:06:47,400 VICTIMIZING THE CRIMINALS. 214 00:06:44,500 --> 00:06:48,700 SO WHERE IS THE TURN IN THINKING 215 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,533 ABOUT WHY CRIMINAL JUSTICE 216 00:06:48,700 --> 00:06:50,700 REFORM MAKES SENSE? 217 00:06:49,533 --> 00:06:53,600 >> I THINK IT'S TWO ISSUES. 218 00:06:50,700 --> 00:06:55,633 THE FIRST IS THAT THESE REFORMS 219 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,400 ACTUALLY PROMOTE PUBLIC SAFETY. 220 00:06:55,633 --> 00:06:59,300 IF YOU WERE IN FAVOR OF LAW AND 221 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,566 ORDER, CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM 222 00:06:59,300 --> 00:07:02,866 IS WHERE YOU SHOULD BE. 223 00:07:00,566 --> 00:07:04,000 THESE REFORMS HAVE PROVEN... 224 00:07:02,866 --> 00:07:05,800 >> Renee: IT'S NOT ANTITHETICAL 225 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,666 TO LAW AND ORDER. 226 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,733 >> OF COURSE NOT. 227 00:07:06,666 --> 00:07:11,333 TO ME WHAT LAW AND ORDER SHOULD 228 00:07:08,733 --> 00:07:12,633 MEAN IS LOWERING CRIME RATES, 229 00:07:11,333 --> 00:07:15,033 LOWERING RECIDIVIST VISM RATES 230 00:07:12,633 --> 00:07:15,933 AND ENSURING THAT WE ARE PROMOT 231 00:07:15,033 --> 00:07:17,133 ING PUBLIC SAFETY IN OUR 232 00:07:15,933 --> 00:07:19,566 COMMUNITIES WHICH IS WHAT THESE 233 00:07:17,133 --> 00:07:20,833 REFORMS HAVE PROVEN DO. 234 00:07:19,566 --> 00:07:22,733 SO YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN 235 00:07:20,833 --> 00:07:25,366 DOING IN THE PAST IS WE'VE JUST 236 00:07:22,733 --> 00:07:27,033 BEEN THROWING A LOT OF LOW LEVEL 237 00:07:25,366 --> 00:07:29,633 NON-VIOLENT OFFENDERS, MANY OF 238 00:07:27,033 --> 00:07:30,933 WHOM WHO HAVE ADDICTION ISSUES, 239 00:07:29,633 --> 00:07:32,433 MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS, MANY 240 00:07:30,933 --> 00:07:34,366 INDIVIDUALS HAVE SUFFERED SEVERE 241 00:07:32,433 --> 00:07:35,366 TRAUMA AND HAVE BEEN SELF 242 00:07:34,366 --> 00:07:36,733 MEDICATING AND THAT LITTLE HOW 243 00:07:35,366 --> 00:07:38,033 THEY GET INVOLVED WITH ADDICTION 244 00:07:36,733 --> 00:07:39,233 WHICH LEADS THEM TO THE JUSTICE 245 00:07:38,033 --> 00:07:41,033 SYSTEM AND WE THROW THEM BEHIND 246 00:07:39,233 --> 00:07:41,433 BARS WITH SOME BAD PEOPLE, YOU 247 00:07:41,033 --> 00:07:42,933 KNOW. 248 00:07:41,433 --> 00:07:44,333 I MEAN I SHOULD MENTION THAT, 249 00:07:42,933 --> 00:07:46,133 THERE ARE BAD PEOPLE IN THIS 250 00:07:44,333 --> 00:07:47,833 WORLD WHO DESERVE TO BE BEHIND 251 00:07:46,133 --> 00:07:49,300 BARS AND SEGREGATED FROM SOCIETY 252 00:07:47,833 --> 00:07:51,133 BUT WHEN YOU PUT THESE GROUPS 253 00:07:49,300 --> 00:07:53,000 TOGETHER, AND THEN WE ARE NOT 254 00:07:51,133 --> 00:07:54,533 PROVIDING JOB TRAINING, WE ARE 255 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,400 NOT GIVING THESE INDIVIDUALS 256 00:07:54,533 --> 00:07:56,566 COUNSELING OR TREATMENT, WE ARE 257 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,700 NOT ADDRESSING THE CORE ISSUES 258 00:07:56,566 --> 00:07:59,633 THAT LED THEM TO THE JUSTICE 259 00:07:57,700 --> 00:07:59,966 SYSTEM TO BEGIN WITH SO WHAT 260 00:07:59,633 --> 00:08:00,766 HAPPENS? 261 00:07:59,966 --> 00:08:02,566 THEY GET OUT. 262 00:08:00,766 --> 00:08:04,166 THEY CAN'T FIND JOBS, THEY CAN'T 263 00:08:02,566 --> 00:08:05,266 FIND ADEQUATE HOUSING, THEY 264 00:08:04,166 --> 00:08:06,566 CAN'T IMPROVE THEIR EDUCATION. 265 00:08:05,266 --> 00:08:08,366 SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? 266 00:08:06,566 --> 00:08:08,700 RETURN TO CRIME, RETURN TO 267 00:08:08,366 --> 00:08:09,700 PRISON. 268 00:08:08,700 --> 00:08:11,566 WE ARE IN SAFER. 269 00:08:09,700 --> 00:08:13,466 WE ARE THROWING GOOD MONEY AFTER 270 00:08:11,566 --> 00:08:13,800 BAD AND THAT'S THE CYCLE OF 271 00:08:13,466 --> 00:08:15,266 FAILURE. 272 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,866 >> SO WOULD IT BE THAT THE 273 00:08:15,266 --> 00:08:18,066 MONETARY IMPERATIVE TOOK 274 00:08:16,866 --> 00:08:19,766 PRECEDENCE THAT SPENDING, IT 275 00:08:18,066 --> 00:08:21,966 USED TO BE IN KENTUCKY THE 276 00:08:19,766 --> 00:08:24,566 FIGURE WAS $22,000 AN INMATE. 277 00:08:21,966 --> 00:08:26,166 I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HIGHER. 278 00:08:24,566 --> 00:08:26,933 >> THAT'S CONSERVATIVE. 279 00:08:26,166 --> 00:08:27,400 >> Renee: PROBABLY MUCH MORE 280 00:08:26,933 --> 00:08:28,666 THAN THAT NOW. 281 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,533 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGETARY 282 00:08:28,666 --> 00:08:31,933 LINE OF WHAT THE CORRECTIONS 283 00:08:30,533 --> 00:08:33,266 BUDGET, HOW MUCH IT CONSUMES IN 284 00:08:31,933 --> 00:08:34,633 THE STATE BUDGET HERE OR 285 00:08:33,266 --> 00:08:37,033 ANYWHERE ELSE, WAS THAT THE KIND 286 00:08:34,633 --> 00:08:38,433 OF GIETDING POSTIN' GUIDING POST 287 00:08:37,033 --> 00:08:40,133 BECAUSE WE HAVE DO SOMETHING 288 00:08:38,433 --> 00:08:41,633 BECAUSE IT'S TAKING TOO MUCH OF 289 00:08:40,133 --> 00:08:42,833 OUR DOLLARS FROM EDUCATION AND 290 00:08:41,633 --> 00:08:44,433 OTHER SYSTEMS THAT WOULD KEEP 291 00:08:42,833 --> 00:08:45,733 THEM FROM BEING INTO THE 292 00:08:44,433 --> 00:08:47,933 CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. 293 00:08:45,733 --> 00:08:49,333 >> THE PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT, THE 294 00:08:47,933 --> 00:08:52,833 BOTTOM LINE, I MEAN WE FIND 295 00:08:49,333 --> 00:08:54,133 OURSELVES REALLY, I MEAN IN 296 00:08:52,833 --> 00:08:54,466 KENTUCKY, THE TERRIBLE PENSION 297 00:08:54,133 --> 00:08:56,533 CRISIS. 298 00:08:54,466 --> 00:08:58,533 WE ARE LOOKING TO DO TAX REFORM, 299 00:08:56,533 --> 00:09:01,200 LOOKING FOR WAYS TO, YOU KNOW, 300 00:08:58,533 --> 00:09:03,800 SHORE UP SOME MORE REVENUE AND 301 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,566 TRY TO, YOU KNOW, PAY DOWN THIS 302 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,866 TERRIBLE DEBT AND ONE OF THE WAY 303 00:09:05,566 --> 00:09:09,066 S WE CERTAINLY COULD BE DOING 304 00:09:06,866 --> 00:09:10,966 THAT IS BY SAFELY REDUCING THE 305 00:09:09,066 --> 00:09:13,300 JAIL AND PRISON POPULATION. 306 00:09:10,966 --> 00:09:14,566 AND HERE IS A STATISTIC. 307 00:09:13,300 --> 00:09:15,666 THIS ALWAYS SHOCKS PEOPLE WHEN I 308 00:09:14,566 --> 00:09:17,566 MENTION THIS. 309 00:09:15,666 --> 00:09:21,100 BUT RIGHT NOW IN KENTUCKY, WE 310 00:09:17,566 --> 00:09:22,766 HAVE ROUGHLY 37,000 INDIVIDUALS, 311 00:09:21,100 --> 00:09:25,966 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUALS 312 00:09:22,766 --> 00:09:27,066 WHO ARE ACCUSED OF LOW LEVEL 313 00:09:25,966 --> 00:09:29,633 NON-VIOLENT CRIMES WHO SIT 314 00:09:27,066 --> 00:09:31,366 BEHIND BARS FOR AN AVERAGE OF 315 00:09:29,633 --> 00:09:34,266 107 DAYS AT A COST TO THE 316 00:09:31,366 --> 00:09:36,200 TAXPAYERS OF $30 A DAY SO 317 00:09:34,266 --> 00:09:37,366 ROUGHLY $127 MILLION A YEAR AND 318 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,900 THE ONLY REASON THEY'RE BEHIND 319 00:09:37,366 --> 00:09:40,266 BARS, THEY'VE NOT BEEN CONVICTED 320 00:09:38,900 --> 00:09:41,533 THE ONLY REASON THEY'RE BEHIND 321 00:09:40,266 --> 00:09:43,033 BARS IS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MAKE 322 00:09:41,533 --> 00:09:45,433 THEIR BAIL. 323 00:09:43,033 --> 00:09:48,433 MEANWHILE, LAST YEAR IN KENTUCKY 324 00:09:45,433 --> 00:09:50,733 , JUST OVER 800 VIOLENT 325 00:09:48,433 --> 00:09:52,433 ON TBENDERS, INDIVIDUALS ACCUSED 326 00:09:50,733 --> 00:09:54,133 OF VIOLENT CRIMES DID MAKE BAIL. 327 00:09:52,433 --> 00:09:55,733 THEY'RE OUT AND THE LOW LEVEL 328 00:09:54,133 --> 00:09:56,933 NON-VIOLENT OFFENDERS ARE 329 00:09:55,733 --> 00:09:58,533 SITTING BEHIND BARS, LOSING 330 00:09:56,933 --> 00:09:59,000 THEIR JOBS, NO ONE IS CARING FOR 331 00:09:58,533 --> 00:10:02,333 THEIR CHILDREN. 332 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,666 WE NEED TO MAKE FUNDAMENTAL 333 00:10:02,333 --> 00:10:03,733 CHANGES. 334 00:10:02,666 --> 00:10:05,833 >> SENATE BILL 120 THAT IS LAW, 335 00:10:03,733 --> 00:10:07,500 THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM BILL 336 00:10:05,833 --> 00:10:08,933 THAT PASSED IN 2017 DIDN'T 337 00:10:07,500 --> 00:10:09,933 ADDRESS THE ISSUE YOU RAISED. 338 00:10:08,933 --> 00:10:10,933 THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT 339 00:10:09,933 --> 00:10:11,800 CAME OFF THE TABLE. 340 00:10:10,933 --> 00:10:13,000 >> THAT'S RIGHT. 341 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,800 >> AND SO WHY WAS THAT? 342 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,600 I MEAN AND IS THERE SOME 343 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,733 MOVEMENT INTO TO CHANGE THAT 344 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,033 THINKING, WHAT IS THE TERM, NO 345 00:10:18,733 --> 00:10:21,800 BAIL OR WHATEVER? 346 00:10:20,033 --> 00:10:22,433 IS THERE A CHANGING THINKING 347 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:26,400 ABOUT THAT? 348 00:10:22,433 --> 00:10:28,300 >> I THINK WE NEED NEEDED TO DO 349 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,100 MORE EDUCATION AND WE NEEDED TO 350 00:10:28,300 --> 00:10:30,500 ENSURE THAT MEMBERS OF LAW 351 00:10:29,100 --> 00:10:31,700 ENFORCEMENT WERE AT THE TABLE AT 352 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:33,133 THE END OF SESSION. 353 00:10:31,700 --> 00:10:35,000 WE WERE WORKING SO CLOSELY WITH 354 00:10:33,133 --> 00:10:37,400 THE SHERIFFS AND THE JAILERS. 355 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,800 IT IS REALLY A LOT OF THE LOCAL 356 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,000 ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT HAVE SO 357 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,500 MUCH POWER AT THE LEGISLATURE. 358 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,900 YOU KNOW THIS, IF YOU GET A CALL 359 00:10:41,500 --> 00:10:43,900 FROM YOUR JAILER OR YOUR SHERIFF 360 00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:44,600 , YOU ARE GOING TO PAY 361 00:10:43,900 --> 00:10:46,466 ATTENTION TO THAT. 362 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:49,600 AND I THINK ONCE WE, YOU KNOW, 363 00:10:46,466 --> 00:10:51,300 WHY ABLE TO COORDINATE AND SMART 364 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,366 ON CRIME COALITION CAME TOGETHER 365 00:10:51,300 --> 00:10:53,800 , THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE 366 00:10:52,366 --> 00:10:55,666 PAC THAT THE ORGANIZATION, THE 367 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,866 POLICY ASSESSMENT COUNCIL THAT 368 00:10:55,666 --> 00:10:58,566 THE GOVERNOR PUT TOGETHER, WHEN 369 00:10:56,866 --> 00:10:59,466 ALL OF THOSE GROUPS WERE 370 00:10:58,566 --> 00:11:01,033 COORDINATING AND WORKING 371 00:10:59,466 --> 00:11:02,100 TOGETHER I I THINK THINGS START 372 00:11:01,033 --> 00:11:03,433 ED WORKING BEAUTIFULLY BUT 373 00:11:02,100 --> 00:11:04,733 IN THE BEGINNING WHEN YOU ARE 374 00:11:03,433 --> 00:11:07,333 TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER THE 375 00:11:04,733 --> 00:11:08,733 REFORMS, I THINK THERE IS A 376 00:11:07,333 --> 00:11:10,133 LEARNING CURVE AND I THINK IT 377 00:11:08,733 --> 00:11:12,333 WAS REALLY HELPFUL TO START TALK 378 00:11:10,133 --> 00:11:13,800 ING ABOUT WHAT HAD WORKED IN 379 00:11:12,333 --> 00:11:15,366 STATES LIKE TEXAS, GEORGIA, 380 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,933 SOUTH CAROLINA, AND WHEN YOU, 381 00:11:15,366 --> 00:11:18,733 YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU START TALKING 382 00:11:16,933 --> 00:11:20,733 ABOUT HOW THESE REFORMS HAVE 383 00:11:18,733 --> 00:11:22,033 LOWERED CRIME RATES, RECIDIVISM 384 00:11:20,733 --> 00:11:23,900 RATES AND SAVED HUNDREDS OF 385 00:11:22,033 --> 00:11:24,300 MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, THAT'S 386 00:11:23,900 --> 00:11:25,400 COMPELLING. 387 00:11:24,300 --> 00:11:27,033 >> Renee: ONE OF THE THINGS WE 388 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,000 CONSTANTLY HEARD DURING THE 389 00:11:27,033 --> 00:11:30,900 COMMITTEE TESTIMONY OR PRESS 390 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:32,500 CONFERENCE, THE GOVERNOR SAID IT 391 00:11:30,900 --> 00:11:33,600 HIMSELF, 95% OF THOSE WHO ARE IN 392 00:11:32,500 --> 00:11:34,800 JAIL ARE GOING TO COME OUT. 393 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,533 THEY'RE GOING TO GET OUT. 394 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,200 SO WHAT DO YOU WANT THEM DO WHEN 395 00:11:36,533 --> 00:11:38,700 THEY GET OUT? 396 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,000 YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE GOOD JOB 397 00:11:38,700 --> 00:11:41,400 SKILLS THEY LEARN BEHIND BARS 398 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,700 THEY CAN PLY WHEN THEY GET ON 399 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:42,700 THE. 400 00:11:41,700 --> 00:11:45,300 LIFT SOME OF THE ARBITRARY 401 00:11:42,700 --> 00:11:46,700 LICENSING BARRIERS WHERE THEY 402 00:11:45,300 --> 00:11:47,800 COULDN'T GET PROFESSIONAL 403 00:11:46,700 --> 00:11:49,100 CERTIFICATIONS AND OTHER THINGS 404 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,200 TO HELP THEM FIND EMPLOYMENT. 405 00:11:49,100 --> 00:11:53,100 THERE IS A LOT OF BARRIER LIFT 406 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,100 ING THAT SENATE BILL 120 DID 407 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:56,266 TO HELP FELONS SUCCESSFULLY RE 408 00:11:55,100 --> 00:11:57,766 ENTER INTO SOCIETY. 409 00:11:56,266 --> 00:11:59,266 NOT ABOUT BEING SOFT ON CRIME 410 00:11:57,766 --> 00:12:00,233 BUT ABOUT BEING RIGHT OR SMART 411 00:11:59,266 --> 00:12:01,233 ON CRIME. 412 00:12:00,233 --> 00:12:02,033 >> SURE, IT'S ALSO ABOUT PROMOT 413 00:12:01,233 --> 00:12:05,166 ING FAMILIES. 414 00:12:02,033 --> 00:12:07,366 YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THE 415 00:12:05,166 --> 00:12:10,433 EPIDEMIC OF INCARCERATED WOMEN. 416 00:12:07,366 --> 00:12:11,933 OVER THE PAST FEW DECADES, 417 00:12:10,433 --> 00:12:14,733 POPULATION OF INCARS INCARCERAT 418 00:12:11,933 --> 00:12:16,266 ED WOMEN HAS INCREASED 419 00:12:14,733 --> 00:12:16,900 744%, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE 420 00:12:16,266 --> 00:12:18,733 INDIVIDUALS ARE MOTHERS. 421 00:12:16,900 --> 00:12:20,433 DO YOU KNOW KENTUCKY HAS THE 422 00:12:18,733 --> 00:12:22,266 HIGHEST RATE OF CHILDREN WHO 423 00:12:20,433 --> 00:12:24,633 HAVE HAD AN INCARCERATED PARENT 424 00:12:22,266 --> 00:12:26,333 IN THE ENTIRE NATION. 425 00:12:24,633 --> 00:12:27,633 I MEAN THAT'S HEART BREAKING. 426 00:12:26,333 --> 00:12:29,133 AND SO I THINK WHEN YOU START 427 00:12:27,633 --> 00:12:31,333 TALKING ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF 428 00:12:29,133 --> 00:12:33,033 LIKE HOW IT IMPACTS THE FAMILY 429 00:12:31,333 --> 00:12:33,933 AND, YOU KNOW, HOW IT DEVASTATES 430 00:12:33,033 --> 00:12:35,666 , YOU KNOW, THE 431 00:12:33,933 --> 00:12:37,500 CHILDREN OF INCARCERATED PARENTS 432 00:12:35,666 --> 00:12:40,400 , THOSE CHILDREN ARE FIVE 433 00:12:37,500 --> 00:12:41,600 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO ENTER THE 434 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,833 JUSTICE SYSTEM THEMSELVES THAN 435 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,500 OTHER CHILDREN. 436 00:12:42,833 --> 00:12:46,133 SO WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT 437 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:47,700 IT IN TERMS OF LIKE HOW IT 438 00:12:46,133 --> 00:12:50,966 IMPACTS THE FAMILY, AND YOU 439 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:52,100 MARRY THAT TO THE POSITIVE 440 00:12:50,966 --> 00:12:53,200 PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT AND THE 441 00:12:52,100 --> 00:12:55,500 COST SAVINGS, YOU KNOW, IT'S 442 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,900 REALLY HARD TO COUNTER THOSE 443 00:12:55,500 --> 00:12:57,500 ARGUMENT. 444 00:12:55,900 --> 00:12:58,600 >> Renee: AND HOW THERE IS A LOT 445 00:12:57,500 --> 00:13:00,966 OF INTERSECTIONALITY BETWEEN THE 446 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,966 CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, SOCIAL 447 00:13:00,966 --> 00:13:04,900 SERVICES SYSTEM, THE WEIGHT THAT 448 00:13:02,966 --> 00:13:06,266 WE PUT ON THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM 449 00:13:04,900 --> 00:13:07,666 IN SCHOOLS TO HELP SUPPORT THESE 450 00:13:06,266 --> 00:13:08,966 KIDS, ALL OF IT IS CONNECTED, 451 00:13:07,666 --> 00:13:10,066 YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ONE THING 452 00:13:08,966 --> 00:13:11,266 ABOUT WHEN YOU ARE IN PUBLIC 453 00:13:10,066 --> 00:13:12,766 POLICY, YOU HAVE THE PRIVILEGE 454 00:13:11,266 --> 00:13:13,000 OF BEING ABLE TO CONNECT THE DOT 455 00:13:12,766 --> 00:13:14,066 S. 456 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,866 THAT'S WHAT I LOVE ABOUT IT, 457 00:13:14,066 --> 00:13:16,533 NOTHING IS JUST AN ISLAND. 458 00:13:15,866 --> 00:13:19,133 IT ALL HAPPENS. 459 00:13:16,533 --> 00:13:21,933 AND I WANT TO GET TO YOUR POINT 460 00:13:19,133 --> 00:13:23,633 ABOUT, INCARCERATED WOMEN, MORE 461 00:13:21,933 --> 00:13:25,233 THAN 60% OF WOMEN IN JAIL OR 462 00:13:23,633 --> 00:13:25,933 PRISON HAVE A CHILD UNDER THE 463 00:13:25,233 --> 00:13:27,433 AGE OF 18. 464 00:13:25,933 --> 00:13:29,700 MANY OF THEM SINGLE SUPPOSER, A 465 00:13:27,433 --> 00:13:30,400 LOT OF THEM MAY HAVE HAD 466 00:13:29,700 --> 00:13:32,833 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ISSUES IN 467 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:35,733 THEIR PAST, MENTAL ILLNESS, SO 468 00:13:32,833 --> 00:13:37,233 THE QUESTION IS THOUGH, PEOPLE 469 00:13:35,733 --> 00:13:37,733 WOULD SAY EVERYBODY'S GOT 470 00:13:37,233 --> 00:13:39,333 SOMETHING. 471 00:13:37,733 --> 00:13:41,333 RIGHT, ARE WE EXCUSING THE FACT 472 00:13:39,333 --> 00:13:43,133 THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES 473 00:13:41,333 --> 00:13:43,466 BEHAVIOR DOES START WITH A 474 00:13:43,133 --> 00:13:45,233 CHOICE. 475 00:13:43,466 --> 00:13:47,200 AND THAT MANY PEEP COME FROM 476 00:13:45,233 --> 00:13:48,833 CIRCUMSTANCES THAT MAY HAVE 477 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,500 THOSE DUAL DIAGNOSIS OF MENTAL 478 00:13:48,833 --> 00:13:52,333 ILLNESS AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE BUT 479 00:13:51,500 --> 00:13:54,033 THEY DON'T COMMIT CRIME. 480 00:13:52,333 --> 00:13:55,700 WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT? 481 00:13:54,033 --> 00:13:57,600 >> I'M SO GLAD YOU RAISED THIS 482 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:58,433 BECAUSE I WAS GETTING PUSH BACK 483 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,366 FROM OTHER FOLKS. 484 00:13:58,433 --> 00:14:01,400 WHY WOULD WE TREAT WOMEN 485 00:14:00,366 --> 00:14:06,500 DIFFERENTLY FROM MEN? 486 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:07,900 AND THAT'S REALLY NOT THE POINT 487 00:14:06,500 --> 00:14:09,266 OF OF HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. 488 00:14:07,900 --> 00:14:11,066 CERTAIN WILL I WE NEED TO 489 00:14:09,266 --> 00:14:11,500 UNDERSTAND THE DRIVERS OF FEMALE 490 00:14:11,066 --> 00:14:12,466 INCARCERATION. 491 00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:15,766 WHEN YOU HAVE A POPULATION THAT 492 00:14:12,466 --> 00:14:17,266 IS EXPLODED 744% OVER THE LAST 493 00:14:15,766 --> 00:14:18,266 FEW DECADES AND NO ONE IS 494 00:14:17,266 --> 00:14:19,300 TALKING ABOUT IT, WE HAVE TO 495 00:14:18,266 --> 00:14:21,566 UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS HAPPENING 496 00:14:19,300 --> 00:14:23,166 AND WE HAVE IS TO START BEING 497 00:14:21,566 --> 00:14:25,366 PROACTIVE ABOUT WHAT WEEK DO TO 498 00:14:23,166 --> 00:14:26,766 HELP SOME OF THESE WOMEN. 499 00:14:25,366 --> 00:14:27,966 THE VAST MAJORITY OF WOMEN 500 00:14:26,766 --> 00:14:30,533 INCARCERATED ARE MOTHERS. 501 00:14:27,966 --> 00:14:33,066 MANY OF THEM, MOST OF THEM 502 00:14:30,533 --> 00:14:33,566 RATHER HAVE ADDICTION ISSUES OR 503 00:14:33,066 --> 00:14:35,166 A MENTAL ILLNESS. 504 00:14:33,566 --> 00:14:36,433 THE OTHER ISSUE THAT YOU DON'T 505 00:14:35,166 --> 00:14:37,933 SEE AS MUCH IN MEN IS THAT MANY 506 00:14:36,433 --> 00:14:40,633 OF THESE WOMEN HAVE BEEN VICTIMS 507 00:14:37,933 --> 00:14:42,533 OF A SEVERE TRAUMA, SEXUAL ABUSE 508 00:14:40,633 --> 00:14:42,833 , EMOTIONAL ABUSE, MENTAL 509 00:14:42,533 --> 00:14:44,633 ABUSE. 510 00:14:42,833 --> 00:14:45,833 MANY OF THE WOMEN WHO ARE BEHIND 511 00:14:44,633 --> 00:14:47,433 BARS FOR VIOLENT OFFENSES 512 00:14:45,833 --> 00:14:48,633 ACTUALLY COMMITTED VIOLENCE 513 00:14:47,433 --> 00:14:49,633 AGAINST AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAD 514 00:14:48,633 --> 00:14:52,333 BEEN VIOLENT TOWARDS THEM. 515 00:14:49,633 --> 00:14:54,633 THESE ARE NOT THE SAME ISSUES AS 516 00:14:52,333 --> 00:14:57,600 WHAT YOU ARE DEALING WITH THE 517 00:14:54,633 --> 00:14:58,000 MALE INCARCERATION INCARCERATED 518 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,700 POPULATION. 519 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:03,000 SO WHAT WOULD I SAY IS THAT 520 00:14:59,700 --> 00:15:05,500 SHOULD YOU TREAT MEN AND WOMEN 521 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,066 DIFFERENTLY, YES. 522 00:15:05,500 --> 00:15:08,266 MEN AND WOMEN ARE DIFFERENT AND 523 00:15:07,066 --> 00:15:09,466 CERTAINLY WITH RESPECT TO THE 524 00:15:08,266 --> 00:15:11,366 PROGRAMMING THAT WE ARE PROVID 525 00:15:09,466 --> 00:15:12,500 ING IN PRISON AND THE 526 00:15:11,366 --> 00:15:13,733 COUNSELING AND THE TREATMENT AND 527 00:15:12,500 --> 00:15:15,666 HOW WE WOULD ADDRESS WOMEN WHO 528 00:15:13,733 --> 00:15:17,566 HAVE BEEN VICTIMS OF SEXUAL 529 00:15:15,666 --> 00:15:19,166 ABUSE, WHO THEN TURN TO 530 00:15:17,566 --> 00:15:21,366 ADDICTION TO HELP SELF MEDICATE 531 00:15:19,166 --> 00:15:22,766 TO DEAL WITH THAT TRAUMA, AND 532 00:15:21,366 --> 00:15:23,966 THEN, YOU KNOW, THOSE 533 00:15:22,766 --> 00:15:25,466 INDIVIDUALS, THAT'S WHAT LEADS 534 00:15:23,966 --> 00:15:27,166 THEM TO THESE BAD DECISIONS THAT 535 00:15:25,466 --> 00:15:28,466 LEADS THEM TO THE JUSTICE SYSTEM 536 00:15:27,166 --> 00:15:30,866 CERTAINLY I THINK WE SHOULD BE 537 00:15:28,466 --> 00:15:32,466 PROVIDING COUNSELING, TREATMENT, 538 00:15:30,866 --> 00:15:33,666 REHABILITATIVE SERVICES TO THESE 539 00:15:32,466 --> 00:15:35,533 INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE AGAIN IF WE 540 00:15:33,666 --> 00:15:37,466 DON'T TREAT THEIR CORE ISSUES, 541 00:15:35,533 --> 00:15:39,600 THEY'RE JUST GOING TO GET OUT, 542 00:15:37,466 --> 00:15:40,666 RECIDIVATE AND GO BACK TO PRISON 543 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:46,233 >> Renee: AND AS YOU MENTIONED 544 00:15:40,666 --> 00:15:48,333 FROM DEMOCRATIC SENATORS CAMILLA 545 00:15:46,233 --> 00:15:52,466 HARRIS, REPUBLICAN MIA LOVE, 546 00:15:48,333 --> 00:15:55,200 UTAH GOVERNOR, MARY FALLON, 547 00:15:52,466 --> 00:15:56,233 THERE IS BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT 548 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:59,433 ABOUT THE ISSUE. 549 00:15:56,233 --> 00:16:01,000 WE HAVE DONE A FEW PROGRAMS 550 00:15:59,433 --> 00:16:02,400 ABOUT ADVERSE CHILDHOOD 551 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,700 EXPERIENCES, TRAUMA THAT AFFECTS 552 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,400 DECISION MAKING THAT IS ON THIS 553 00:16:03,700 --> 00:16:06,000 SIDE OF THE FREEDOM OF THE BARS 554 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,700 OR ELSEWHERE. 555 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,500 SO LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, 556 00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:09,533 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND 557 00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:11,166 PARTICULARLY THE PIECE ABOUT, 558 00:16:09,533 --> 00:16:13,566 YOU KNOW, THERE IS A BILL, YOU 559 00:16:11,166 --> 00:16:16,100 KNOW VERY WELL, DIGNITY FOR 560 00:16:13,566 --> 00:16:17,900 INCARCERATED WOMEN ACT, COREY 561 00:16:16,100 --> 00:16:19,366 BOOKER, ELIZABETH WARREN, 562 00:16:17,900 --> 00:16:23,266 RICHARD DURBIN, THIS ADDRESSES 563 00:16:19,366 --> 00:16:28,166 THE FACT THAT WOMEN WOULD BE 564 00:16:23,266 --> 00:16:29,066 SHACKLED DURING PREGNANCY, AFTER 565 00:16:28,166 --> 00:16:29,766 PREGNANCY. 566 00:16:29,066 --> 00:16:31,666 >> DURING LABOR. 567 00:16:29,766 --> 00:16:34,266 THERE ARE MANY STATES FOR THE 568 00:16:31,666 --> 00:16:36,666 SHACKLING OF PREGNANT WOMEN AS 569 00:16:34,266 --> 00:16:38,566 THEY'RE DELIVERING A BABY. 570 00:16:36,666 --> 00:16:41,766 NOW AS SOMEONE WHO HAS IN FACT 571 00:16:38,566 --> 00:16:44,066 BEEN THROUGH LABOR, I CAN'T 572 00:16:41,766 --> 00:16:45,766 IMAGINE HOW YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO 573 00:16:44,066 --> 00:16:48,766 ESCAPE WHILE GIVING BIRTH TO A 574 00:16:45,766 --> 00:16:51,266 CHILD, YOU KNOW, AND CERTAINLY 575 00:16:48,766 --> 00:16:53,800 WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S UNNECESSARY, 576 00:16:51,266 --> 00:16:55,966 YOU KNOW. 577 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,566 AND SO THE CONFERENCE THAT WE 578 00:16:55,966 --> 00:16:58,933 JUST HAD IN WASHINGTON D.C. 579 00:16:57,566 --> 00:17:00,466 ADDRESSED THAT ISSUE IN 580 00:16:58,933 --> 00:17:01,500 PARTICULAR BUT THEN ALSO A LOT 581 00:17:00,466 --> 00:17:02,400 OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WOMEN 582 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:04,100 HAVE TO DEAL WITH. 583 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,533 I MEAN AGAIN, WOMEN HAVE 584 00:17:04,100 --> 00:17:08,400 DIFFERENT HEALTH NEEDS THAN MEN. 585 00:17:05,533 --> 00:17:10,933 DID YOU KNOW THAT ONE IN FOUR 586 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,300 WOMEN INTERESTERRING-- ENTERING 587 00:17:10,933 --> 00:17:14,200 OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM IS EITHER 588 00:17:12,300 --> 00:17:15,800 PREGNANT OR THE MOTHER OF A 589 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,000 CHILD UNDER THE AGE OF ONE. 590 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,900 25% OF THE WOMEN WHO ARE ENTER 591 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,900 ING OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM. 592 00:17:18,900 --> 00:17:23,000 I MOON IF THAT-- I MEAN IF THAT 593 00:17:21,900 --> 00:17:24,766 DOESN'T CONCERN YOU, THERE IS A 594 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,066 REAL PROBLEM THERE. 595 00:17:24,766 --> 00:17:27,100 AND... 596 00:17:25,066 --> 00:17:29,500 >> Renee: DO WE KNOW IF THE 597 00:17:27,100 --> 00:17:31,066 SENTENCES IS THERE A DISPARITY 598 00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:31,466 IN SENTENCING BETWEEN WOMEN AND 599 00:17:31,066 --> 00:17:32,800 MEN. 600 00:17:31,466 --> 00:17:34,266 IT HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED BETWEEN 601 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,166 AFRICAN AMERICANS AND THE MARKET 602 00:17:34,266 --> 00:17:39,166 POPULATION WHEN IT CAME TO DRUG 603 00:17:36,166 --> 00:17:39,500 OFFENSES, CRACK COCAINE VS. 604 00:17:39,166 --> 00:17:40,866 POWDER. 605 00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:41,466 DO WE SEE THAT HAPPENING WITH 606 00:17:40,866 --> 00:17:43,466 GENDER? 607 00:17:41,466 --> 00:17:47,466 >> I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT RESEARCH. 608 00:17:43,466 --> 00:17:50,266 BUT CERTAINLY WE HAVE SEEN A LOT 609 00:17:47,466 --> 00:17:51,966 OF UNDULY HARSH SENTENCES FOR 610 00:17:50,266 --> 00:17:54,566 WOMEN WHO HAVE COMMITTED LOW 611 00:17:51,966 --> 00:17:55,566 LEVEL NON-VIOLENT CRIMES 612 00:17:54,566 --> 00:17:57,266 PARTICULARLY DRUG CRIMES. 613 00:17:55,566 --> 00:17:58,266 WOMEN ACT AS MULES FOR MANY OF 614 00:17:57,266 --> 00:17:59,866 THEIR BOYFRIENDS WHO ARE MORE 615 00:17:58,266 --> 00:18:02,333 THE DEALERS AND TRAFFICKERS. 616 00:17:59,866 --> 00:18:04,333 THEY GET CAUGHT UP AND, YOU KNOW 617 00:18:02,333 --> 00:18:05,733 , THE JUSTICE SYSTEM, THEY 618 00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:07,800 HAVE TO PLEAD OUT AND MANY OF 619 00:18:05,733 --> 00:18:09,500 THEM ARE SERVING LONGER SENTENCE 620 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:12,500 S THAN THEIR MALE 621 00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:13,500 COUNTERPARTS WHO HAD DEEPER 622 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:15,000 INVOLVEMENT IN THE DRUG SCEEP. 623 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:16,500 AND WE SEE THAT A LOT. 624 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,900 >> AND I GUESS IT'S IMPORTANT TO 625 00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:18,100 COMMUNICATE. 626 00:18:16,900 --> 00:18:20,300 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NON-VIOLENT 627 00:18:18,100 --> 00:18:21,500 LOW LEVEL OFFENDERS HERE. 628 00:18:20,300 --> 00:18:24,300 AND SO THERE IS NOT A MOVEMENT 629 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:27,400 TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD ADDRESS 630 00:18:24,300 --> 00:18:27,666 HOW WE DEAL WITH VIOLENT OFFEND 631 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:28,900 ERS. 632 00:18:27,666 --> 00:18:29,833 THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR 633 00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:32,300 ORGANIZATION IS TAKING UP. 634 00:18:29,833 --> 00:18:33,900 >> BUT WE GET PUSHBACK SOMETIMES 635 00:18:32,300 --> 00:18:36,200 ON THE ISSUE OF WHETHER DRUG 636 00:18:33,900 --> 00:18:37,966 CRIMES ARE VIOLENT CRIMES 637 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,466 BECAUSE DRUG TRADE IS INHERENTLY 638 00:18:37,966 --> 00:18:42,066 VIOLENT AND WOULD I SUBMIT TO 639 00:18:39,466 --> 00:18:43,900 YOU, EVEN IF, YOU KNOW, YOU 640 00:18:42,066 --> 00:18:45,766 ACCEPT THAT ARGUMENT, THE 641 00:18:43,900 --> 00:18:48,266 RESEARCH SHOWS THAT THE LONGER 642 00:18:45,766 --> 00:18:49,166 SENTENCES ARE ACTUALLY HARMFUL 643 00:18:48,266 --> 00:18:50,866 TO PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE WHAT 644 00:18:49,166 --> 00:18:52,666 HAPPENS IS THE LONGER THAT THESE 645 00:18:50,866 --> 00:18:53,966 INDIVIDUALS ARE ISOLATED FROM 646 00:18:52,666 --> 00:18:56,466 SOCIETY, THE LESS LIKELY THEY 647 00:18:53,966 --> 00:18:58,100 ARE TO SUCCESSFULLY REENTER, AND 648 00:18:56,466 --> 00:18:59,366 AS YOU MENTIONED BEFORE, 649 00:18:58,100 --> 00:19:00,433 GOVERNOR BEVIN SAYS ALL THE TIME 650 00:18:59,366 --> 00:19:01,633 , 95% OF THESE INDIVIDUALS 651 00:19:00,433 --> 00:19:03,733 ARE GETTING OUT SOME DAY. 652 00:19:01,633 --> 00:19:05,866 SO IF YOU'VE GOT A MANDATORY 10 653 00:19:03,733 --> 00:19:07,033 -YEAR MANDATORY MINIMUM FOR AN 654 00:19:05,866 --> 00:19:09,666 INDIVIDUAL WHO IS BUSTED FOR, 655 00:19:07,033 --> 00:19:11,433 YOU KNOW, A FIRST TIME FELONY 656 00:19:09,666 --> 00:19:13,333 DRUG CRIME, THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT 657 00:19:11,433 --> 00:19:14,533 OF TIME TO BE SEGREGATED FROM 658 00:19:13,333 --> 00:19:16,033 SOCIETY AND ESPECIALLY IF THAT 659 00:19:14,533 --> 00:19:17,700 INDIVIDUAL ISN'T GETTING JOB 660 00:19:16,033 --> 00:19:18,700 TRAINING, TREATMENT, 661 00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:19,600 REHABILITATION, I'M DEEPLY 662 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:22,533 CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THAT PERSON 663 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,866 IS GOING TO BE LIKE WHEN HE OR 664 00:19:22,533 --> 00:19:25,900 SHE REENTERS SOCIETY. 665 00:19:23,866 --> 00:19:26,400 >> Renee: WHAT IS THE NEXT LEG, 666 00:19:25,900 --> 00:19:27,700 IN KENTUCKY. 667 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,900 LET'S GO BACK TO KENTUCKY. 668 00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:33,300 KENTUCKY, YOU KNOW, NOW LAW SB 669 00:19:30,900 --> 00:19:35,300 120, DOINTD KNOW-- I DON'T KNOW 670 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:36,600 THE EXACT TITLE OF THE ACT BUT 671 00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:37,700 THAT'S NOW LAW. 672 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,700 ARE THERE CONVERSATIONS NOW 673 00:19:37,700 --> 00:19:41,500 HAPPENING ABOUT THE THINGS THAT 674 00:19:38,700 --> 00:19:43,000 DIDN'T MAKE IT IN INT 120 FOR A 675 00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:43,733 BUDGETARY SESSION AND ALL THE 676 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,400 OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BE 677 00:19:43,733 --> 00:19:46,800 HAPPENING IN 2018. 678 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,000 >> THAT'S THE PERFECT TIME TO 679 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,100 HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT 680 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,400 CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM, YOU 681 00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:53,100 KNOW, DURING A TIME WHEN 682 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,766 EVERYBODY IS SCRAPPING FOR EVERY 683 00:19:53,100 --> 00:19:56,033 DOLLAR, YOU KNOW, EDUCATION, 684 00:19:54,766 --> 00:19:57,500 INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, 685 00:19:56,033 --> 00:19:59,266 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, NOW IS THE 686 00:19:57,500 --> 00:20:00,666 TIME TO TALK ABOUT SAFELY 687 00:19:59,266 --> 00:20:03,366 REDUCING THE PRISON AND JAIL 688 00:20:00,666 --> 00:20:04,900 POPULATION IN KENTUCKY JAILS 689 00:20:03,366 --> 00:20:06,200 ESPECIALLY OR SERIOUS OVERCROWD 690 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:07,200 ING ISSUES IS REALLY A 691 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,266 PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN BUT I 692 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,566 THINK BAIL REFORM IS THE NEXT 693 00:20:08,266 --> 00:20:10,266 STEP. 694 00:20:08,566 --> 00:20:11,900 AS I MENTIONED YOU HAVE ALL OF 695 00:20:10,266 --> 00:20:14,566 THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE 696 00:20:11,900 --> 00:20:16,400 ACCUSED, NOT CONVICTED, ACCUSED 697 00:20:14,566 --> 00:20:18,366 OF LOW LEVEL NON-VIOLENT CRIMES 698 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,666 WHO ARE SITTING BEHIND BARS 699 00:20:18,366 --> 00:20:21,466 MERELY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PAY 700 00:20:19,666 --> 00:20:23,266 THEIR BAIL, MEANWHILE VIOLENT 701 00:20:21,466 --> 00:20:23,766 OFFENDERS WHO CAN POST BAIL ARE 702 00:20:23,266 --> 00:20:25,666 GETTING OUT. 703 00:20:23,766 --> 00:20:26,266 I MEAN TO ME THAT'S NOT PROMOT 704 00:20:25,666 --> 00:20:27,533 ING PUBLIC SAFETY. 705 00:20:26,266 --> 00:20:29,833 THAT'S JUST ALL ABOUT WHOEVER 706 00:20:27,533 --> 00:20:32,266 HAS THE MONEY GETS THE JUSTICE. 707 00:20:29,833 --> 00:20:34,066 AND, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY OUR 708 00:20:32,266 --> 00:20:35,033 ORGANIZATION PROGRESSIVE AND 709 00:20:34,066 --> 00:20:37,333 CONSERVATIVES INVOLVED WITH IT 710 00:20:35,033 --> 00:20:40,000 FEEL THE JUSTICE SYSTEM SHOULD 711 00:20:37,333 --> 00:20:41,433 BE ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE. 712 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,333 >> Renee: HOUSE BILL 333 THAT 713 00:20:41,433 --> 00:20:45,133 WAS PASSED HAS BECOME LAW THAT 714 00:20:43,333 --> 00:20:49,033 WOULD CRIMINALIZE TRAFFICKING 715 00:20:45,133 --> 00:20:50,233 ANY AMOUNT OF HEROIN, FENTANYL, 716 00:20:49,033 --> 00:20:54,933 MANY PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED THAT 717 00:20:50,233 --> 00:20:56,333 WAS A RETREAT FROM DRUG CODE 718 00:20:54,933 --> 00:20:58,433 REFORM 2011-2013. 719 00:20:56,333 --> 00:20:59,733 ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE 720 00:20:58,433 --> 00:21:02,800 IMPACT THAT COULD HAVE FROM 721 00:20:59,733 --> 00:21:05,400 WHERE YOU SIT THAT PERHAPS, YOU 722 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:09,900 KNOW, WE, THE CONVENTIONAL THINK 723 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:11,666 ING HAS BEEN ABOUT THE 724 00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:15,866 ADDICTS GET INTO PEDDLING TO 725 00:21:11,666 --> 00:21:16,266 FEED THEIR HABIT, RIGHT? 726 00:21:15,866 --> 00:21:17,266 >> YES. 727 00:21:16,266 --> 00:21:19,300 >> Renee: THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO 728 00:21:17,266 --> 00:21:20,333 GET THEIR OWN HIGH BECAUSE OF 729 00:21:19,300 --> 00:21:22,566 THEIR ADDICTION AND DISEASE. 730 00:21:20,333 --> 00:21:23,866 ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT WILL 731 00:21:22,566 --> 00:21:24,966 IMPACT THE CORRECTIONS BUDGET 732 00:21:23,866 --> 00:21:25,766 AND REVERSE THE POSITIVE 733 00:21:24,966 --> 00:21:26,900 MOVEMENT YOU THINK YOU ARE 734 00:21:25,766 --> 00:21:27,766 MAKING WITH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE 735 00:21:26,900 --> 00:21:28,600 REFORM EFFORT? 736 00:21:27,766 --> 00:21:29,966 >> WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT WE 737 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,966 ARE NOT HITTING THE MANUFACTUR 738 00:21:29,966 --> 00:21:33,066 ERS AND THE IMPORTERS. 739 00:21:31,966 --> 00:21:34,766 THOSE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO 740 00:21:33,066 --> 00:21:36,566 ARE LACING THE HEROIN WITH 741 00:21:34,766 --> 00:21:37,000 FENTANYL WHICH IS INCREDIBLY 742 00:21:36,566 --> 00:21:38,366 DANGEROUS. 743 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,566 THAT'S LIKE PLAYING RUSSIAN 744 00:21:38,366 --> 00:21:43,133 ROULETTE AND SO WHILE I 745 00:21:40,566 --> 00:21:43,466 UNDERSTAND LET'S HIT THE TRAFFIC 746 00:21:43,133 --> 00:21:44,533 KERS. 747 00:21:43,466 --> 00:21:45,066 LET'S UNDERSTAND WHAT A TRAFFIC 748 00:21:44,533 --> 00:21:46,933 KER IS. 749 00:21:45,066 --> 00:21:48,100 YOU KNOW, IN SOME STATES LIKE, 750 00:21:46,933 --> 00:21:49,566 FOR EXAMPLE, IN OHIO, IN ORDER 751 00:21:48,100 --> 00:21:50,933 TO BE A TRAFFICKER OF HEROIN YOU 752 00:21:49,566 --> 00:21:52,533 ONLY HAVE TO HAVE A GRAHAM OF 753 00:21:50,933 --> 00:21:54,233 HEROIN ON YOU. 754 00:21:52,533 --> 00:21:56,433 WELL, YOU KNOW, THEN EVERYBODY 755 00:21:54,233 --> 00:21:58,833 IS A TRAFFICKER AND SO I THINK 756 00:21:56,433 --> 00:22:00,500 WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN 757 00:21:58,833 --> 00:22:02,900 DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN THOSE 758 00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:04,700 INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE SICK AND WHO 759 00:22:02,900 --> 00:22:05,800 GET CAUGHT UP IN THE DRUG TRADE 760 00:22:04,700 --> 00:22:07,200 BECAUSE AGAIN IT'S PART OF 761 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,800 FEEDING THEIR ADDICTION AND 762 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:12,000 THOSE WHO ARE TRULY TRYING TO 763 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,333 DRIVE THE DRUG TRADE IN THIS 764 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,000 COUNTRY. 765 00:22:12,333 --> 00:22:15,000 AGAIN WE ARE NOT HITTING THE 766 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,066 IMPORTERS OR ADDRESSING THIS 767 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,966 THROUGH THE IMMIGRATION REFORMS 768 00:22:16,066 --> 00:22:19,366 THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT 769 00:22:16,966 --> 00:22:20,300 NOW AND TO ME THAT IS THE 770 00:22:19,366 --> 00:22:21,100 BIGGEST ISSUE. 771 00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:22,200 >> Renee: SURE, TALK ABOUT BEING 772 00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:25,266 ALL CONNECTED. 773 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:27,500 SPEAKING OF THAT MEASURE THAT 774 00:22:25,266 --> 00:22:29,666 PASSED, KIM MOSER, A BIG BACKER 775 00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:32,266 OF THE BILL, REPRESENTATIVE KIM 776 00:22:29,666 --> 00:22:34,466 MOSER FROM NORTHERN KENTUCKY 777 00:22:32,266 --> 00:22:35,266 NURSE, MOTHER, GRANDMOTHER, 778 00:22:34,466 --> 00:22:37,500 CONSERVATIVE. 779 00:22:35,266 --> 00:22:39,166 AND SHE WROTE A VERY POIGNANT 780 00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:41,666 PIECE IN THE CINCINNATI PAPER 781 00:22:39,166 --> 00:22:42,966 SAYING WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT WHY 782 00:22:41,666 --> 00:22:44,266 WOMEN ARE BEHIND BARS AND THE 783 00:22:42,966 --> 00:22:46,266 DRIVERS FOR THEM BEING THERE AND 784 00:22:44,266 --> 00:22:47,766 HAD WRITTEN THAT IN KENTUCKY IN 785 00:22:46,266 --> 00:22:50,566 2015, THE NUMBER OF WOMEN IN 786 00:22:47,766 --> 00:22:52,166 PRISONS GREW BY 25%, FIVE TIMES 787 00:22:50,566 --> 00:22:53,166 THE RATE OF MEN AND THAT 788 00:22:52,166 --> 00:22:54,333 SUBSTANCE ABUSE IS THE MAIN 789 00:22:53,166 --> 00:22:56,633 REASON FOR THAT. 790 00:22:54,333 --> 00:22:58,033 >> I WAS INDREADBLY PROUD OF HER 791 00:22:56,633 --> 00:22:58,333 I DIDN'T ACTUALLY KNOW HER THAT 792 00:22:58,033 --> 00:22:59,966 WELL. 793 00:22:58,333 --> 00:23:01,433 I MET HER DURING MY TIME 234 794 00:22:59,966 --> 00:23:03,400 KENTUCKY WHEN SHE RAN FOR OFFICE 795 00:23:01,433 --> 00:23:07,300 AFTER I HAD MOVED TO D.C. AND 796 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:09,200 SHE WAS INCREDIBLE. 797 00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:11,600 THERE WERE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT 798 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:14,800 WENT TO HER BREAKOUT SESSION 799 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:17,600 WHERE SHE SAT ON A PANEL WITH 800 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:21,000 FORMERLY INCARCERATED WOMEN AND 801 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:22,200 CLEARLY KNOWS THESE ISSUES VERY 802 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,400 WELL, UNDERSTANDS ADDICTION AND 803 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,166 WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING IN 804 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,666 TERMS OF TREATMENT AND 805 00:23:25,166 --> 00:23:28,733 REHABILITATIVE SERVICES. 806 00:23:26,666 --> 00:23:29,300 EVERYONE AROUND IS SAYING SHE IS 807 00:23:28,733 --> 00:23:31,266 FROM KENTUCKY? 808 00:23:29,300 --> 00:23:32,566 YES, SHE IS MY HOME STATE. 809 00:23:31,266 --> 00:23:34,266 AND I THINK WE ARE GOING TO SEE 810 00:23:32,566 --> 00:23:34,600 BIG THINGS OUT OF HER IN THE 811 00:23:34,266 --> 00:23:35,466 FUTURE. 812 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,866 >> Renee: AND THE FACT THAT WELL 813 00:23:35,466 --> 00:23:38,766 MAYBE, YOU KNOW, AND SHE SEEMS 814 00:23:36,866 --> 00:23:40,666 TO BE EVEN THOUGH SHE IS JUST A 815 00:23:38,766 --> 00:23:42,600 FRESHMAN, CERTAINLY SHE HAD RAY 816 00:23:40,666 --> 00:23:44,166 BIG BILL. 817 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,533 >> SHE DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A 818 00:23:44,166 --> 00:23:45,200 FRESHMAN. 819 00:23:44,533 --> 00:23:46,600 >> Renee: SHE DOESN'T. 820 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,866 HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE HER ON VERY 821 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,966 SOON TO TALK ABOUT HER CAREER 822 00:23:47,866 --> 00:23:50,466 AND SOME OF THE THINGS SHE IS 823 00:23:48,966 --> 00:23:52,466 WORKING ON BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE 824 00:23:50,466 --> 00:23:53,766 PER THAPS THIS MIGHT BE AN ISSUE 825 00:23:52,466 --> 00:23:54,733 SHE MIGHT TAKE UP IN 2018. 826 00:23:53,766 --> 00:23:55,666 >> I THINK SHE IS VERY INTEREST 827 00:23:54,733 --> 00:23:57,566 ED IN THIS. 828 00:23:55,666 --> 00:23:58,000 YOU KNOW AND AGAIN SHE IS VERY 829 00:23:57,566 --> 00:24:00,133 KNOWLEDGEABLE. 830 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:03,733 SHE HAS A HEALTHCARE BACKGROUND, 831 00:24:00,133 --> 00:24:04,733 AND BECAUSE OF I THINK HER 832 00:24:03,733 --> 00:24:06,400 INVOLVEMENT IN THE OFFICE OF 833 00:24:04,733 --> 00:24:09,233 DRUG CONTROL POLICY, SHE IS JUST 834 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,500 , I THINK HAS A HANDLE ON 835 00:24:09,233 --> 00:24:13,533 LIKE REALLY WHAT ARE THE DRIVERS 836 00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:14,066 ARE INCARCERATION, PARTICULARLY 837 00:24:13,533 --> 00:24:15,800 HERE IN KENTUCKY. 838 00:24:14,066 --> 00:24:17,200 YOU KNOW THIS RENEE, EVERY 839 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,700 SINGLE KENTUCKY FAMILY HAS 840 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,400 SOMEHOW BEEN BY THE DRUG 841 00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:24,100 SCOURGE AND SO I DON'T THINK ANY 842 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:26,100 OF THOSE FAMILIES WOULD WANT TO 843 00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:28,333 US THROW IN THE TOWEL ON THEIR 844 00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:30,533 FAMILY MEMBER WHO IS SICK. 845 00:24:28,333 --> 00:24:32,200 AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR GOVERNOR 846 00:24:30,533 --> 00:24:33,300 BEVIN TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE 847 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,200 TIME. 848 00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:36,800 EVERYBODY CAN BE REDEEMED. 849 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,000 AND I THINK SHE IS A FIRM 850 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,566 BELIEVER IN THAT AS WELL. 851 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,166 >> Renee: AND HE HAS MADE SOME 852 00:24:39,566 --> 00:24:44,566 ACTIONS REDEEMING ACTIONS FOR 853 00:24:41,166 --> 00:24:46,466 FORMER FELONS, YOU KNOW, BAN THE 854 00:24:44,566 --> 00:24:48,800 STATE BOX ON THE APPLICATION. 855 00:24:46,466 --> 00:24:49,966 AND FOR FELONS. 856 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,966 AND IT SEEMS TO BE GOING FURTHER 857 00:24:49,966 --> 00:24:54,166 DO YOU THINK THAT THE NEXT STEP 858 00:24:51,966 --> 00:24:56,366 FOR KENTUCKY FOR FELON REENTRY 859 00:24:54,166 --> 00:24:57,866 NEXT LOGICAL STEP WOULD BE 860 00:24:56,366 --> 00:24:58,966 AUTOMATIC RESTORATION OF VOTING 861 00:24:57,866 --> 00:25:03,066 RIGHTS? 862 00:24:58,966 --> 00:25:04,733 >> I THINK THAT IT WILL 863 00:25:03,066 --> 00:25:05,533 CERTAINLY BE ON THE TABLE. 864 00:25:04,733 --> 00:25:06,833 >> FOR NON VIOLENCE. 865 00:25:05,533 --> 00:25:08,533 >> I'M SURE THAT'S ON THE TABLE 866 00:25:06,833 --> 00:25:10,033 FOR OUR ORGANIZATION OUR BIGGEST 867 00:25:08,533 --> 00:25:12,033 CONCERN IS ENSURING THESE 868 00:25:10,033 --> 00:25:14,633 INDIVIDUALS HAVE JOBS. 869 00:25:12,033 --> 00:25:17,933 BECAUSE A JOB IS, I THINK, YOU 870 00:25:14,633 --> 00:25:20,533 KNOW, THE GREATEST WALL BETWEEN 871 00:25:17,933 --> 00:25:22,533 A FORMER OFFENDER RETURNING TO A 872 00:25:20,533 --> 00:25:23,600 LIFE OF CRIME AND THERE ARE A 873 00:25:22,533 --> 00:25:25,200 LOT OF STATES THAT ARE DOING 874 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,700 SOME REALLY INTERESTING THINGS 875 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,000 WITH JOB TRAINING. 876 00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:31,100 IT'S REAL INTERESTING. 877 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,000 THE KENTUCKY MANUFACTURERS 878 00:25:31,100 --> 00:25:34,500 ASSOCIATION HAD BEEN LAMENTING 879 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,700 THE DIRTH OF SKILLED LABOR IN 880 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:36,800 KENTUCKY RIGHT NOW. 881 00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:39,100 THERE IS A LOT OF JOBS WHERE 882 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,600 THEY CAN'T FIND INDIVIDUALS TO 883 00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:41,800 FILL THESE JOBS AND THESE ARE 884 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,400 GOOD WELL PAYING JOBS. 885 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,900 YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD BE SHOCKED 886 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:48,900 AT HOW HARD IT IS TO FIND A PIPE 887 00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:50,400 FITTER SO I THINK MARRYING THE 888 00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:51,800 MARKET, THE JOBS THAT ARE 889 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,466 AVAILABLE IN THE MARKET TO THE 890 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,700 JOB TRAINING THAT A LOT OF THESE 891 00:25:54,466 --> 00:25:56,400 INMATES ARE RECEIVING, I THINK 892 00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:57,900 IS CRITICAL. 893 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,533 AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO GREAT TO 894 00:25:57,900 --> 00:26:01,533 SEE THE CHAMBER AND A LOT OF THE 895 00:26:00,533 --> 00:26:03,966 BUSINESS GROUPS VERY INVOLVED 896 00:26:01,533 --> 00:26:05,833 AND YOU SEE LIKE DON BALL WITH 897 00:26:03,966 --> 00:26:08,100 BALL HOMES WHO WROTE A VERY 898 00:26:05,833 --> 00:26:09,533 POIGNANT OP-ED IN SUPPORT OF 899 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:10,633 SENATE BILL 120. 900 00:26:09,533 --> 00:26:12,066 MAC BROWN WHO IS THE CHAIR OF 901 00:26:10,633 --> 00:26:13,966 THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF KENTUCKY 902 00:26:12,066 --> 00:26:16,333 , BEFORE THAT, YOU KNOW, 903 00:26:13,966 --> 00:26:18,333 HE WROTE AN OP-ED, I BELIEVE IT 904 00:26:16,333 --> 00:26:20,133 WAS IN THE COURIER IN SUPPORT OF 905 00:26:18,333 --> 00:26:21,233 THE EXPUNGEMENT BILL THAT DID 906 00:26:20,133 --> 00:26:23,233 EVENTUALLY PASS. 907 00:26:21,233 --> 00:26:24,533 SO YOU HAVE THESE REALLY 908 00:26:23,233 --> 00:26:25,733 CONSERVATIVE BUSINESS LEADERS 909 00:26:24,533 --> 00:26:27,533 WHO ARE NOW GETTING OUT THERE 910 00:26:25,733 --> 00:26:29,933 AND SAYING LOOK, WE'VE GOT A 911 00:26:27,533 --> 00:26:31,633 DIRTH OF SKILLED LABOR, WE COULD 912 00:26:29,933 --> 00:26:33,133 HELP TO TRAIN THIS INMATE 913 00:26:31,633 --> 00:26:35,733 POPULATION AND NOT ONLY WILL 914 00:26:33,133 --> 00:26:38,533 THAT HELP US, YOU KNOW, IN 915 00:26:35,733 --> 00:26:40,333 FINDING SKILLED LABORERS AND 916 00:26:38,533 --> 00:26:42,333 BROADEN THE POOL OF SKILLED 917 00:26:40,333 --> 00:26:43,433 LABORERS BUT HAVE A POSITIVE 918 00:26:42,333 --> 00:26:45,500 IMPACT ON FEDERAL SAFETY. 919 00:26:43,433 --> 00:26:47,600 >> ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL, ONE 920 00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:48,600 MINUTE, OH PLY GOSH, WHAT IS THE 921 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,800 ONE MEASURE YOU WOULD WANT TO 922 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,300 GET THROUGH IN THE NEXT, WELL 923 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,600 THIS CURRENT SESSION OF CONGRESS 924 00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:55,400 >> WELL THERE IS A BILL THAT WAS 925 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,833 RECENTLY FILED BY REPRESENTATIVE 926 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,600 DOUG COLLINS, THE PRISON REFORM 927 00:26:56,833 --> 00:27:01,966 BILL THAT IS THE BACK REFORMS 928 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,866 ENSURING VOCATIONAL REHABILITAT 929 00:27:01,966 --> 00:27:03,533 IVE SERVICES, 930 00:27:02,866 --> 00:27:04,866 INTRODUCED IT YESTERDAY BUT 931 00:27:03,533 --> 00:27:06,966 THERE IS A BILL VERY FEW PEOPLE 932 00:27:04,866 --> 00:27:08,666 ARE TALKING ABOUT, THE COREY 933 00:27:06,966 --> 00:27:11,133 BOOKER FILED, TURN BACK THE 934 00:27:08,666 --> 00:27:13,133 CLOCK ON THE 94 CRIME BILL AND 935 00:27:11,133 --> 00:27:14,166 INCENTIVIZE STATES RATHER THAN 936 00:27:13,133 --> 00:27:16,133 INCENTIVIZING THEM FOR BUILDING 937 00:27:14,166 --> 00:27:17,733 MORE PRISONS, BUT TO SAFELY 938 00:27:16,133 --> 00:27:19,133 REDUCE THE PRISON POPULATIONS 939 00:27:17,733 --> 00:27:20,733 AND THE INCENTIVES WOULD BE BAS 940 00:27:19,133 --> 00:27:22,733 ED ON THOSE STATES THAT LOWER 941 00:27:20,733 --> 00:27:23,133 THEIR CRIME RATES AND LOWER THE 942 00:27:22,733 --> 00:27:24,233 RECIDIVISM. 943 00:27:23,133 --> 00:27:26,233 A GREAT BILL. 944 00:27:24,233 --> 00:27:26,733 >> Renee: YOU CAN TELL SHE HAS 945 00:27:26,233 --> 00:27:28,733 DONE TV. 946 00:27:26,733 --> 00:27:30,033 SHE LOOKS AT THE CLOCK AND KNOWS 947 00:27:28,733 --> 00:27:31,333 SHE HAS TO STOP TALKING. 948 00:27:30,033 --> 00:27:32,733 I'M VERY PROUD OF YOU AND THE 949 00:27:31,333 --> 00:27:34,033 WAY YOU REPRESENT KENTUCKY AND 950 00:27:32,733 --> 00:27:35,033 THE ELOQUENCE YOU BRING TO YOUR 951 00:27:34,033 --> 00:27:36,033 ISSUE AND THE PASSION YOU BRING 952 00:27:35,033 --> 00:27:37,833 TO IT. 953 00:27:36,033 --> 00:27:38,133 SO CONGRATULATIONS AND WELCOME 954 00:27:37,833 --> 00:27:40,233 HOME. 955 00:27:38,133 --> 00:27:41,466 >> I THIS GREAT TEACHERS. 956 00:27:40,233 --> 00:27:42,800 >> Renee: I WASN'T YOUR TEACHER 957 00:27:41,466 --> 00:27:44,300 BUT GLAD TO CALL YOU FRIEND AND 958 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,800 GLAD YOU ARE BACK HOME AND DOING 959 00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:47,133 GREAT WORK ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 960 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,733 HOLLY HARRIS. 961 00:27:47,133 --> 00:27:50,033 REMEMBER THAT NAME. 962 00:27:48,733 --> 00:27:51,433 JUSTICE ACTION NETWORK WHO IS 963 00:27:50,033 --> 00:27:51,800 SHE REPRESENTS, EXECUTIVE 964 00:27:51,433 --> 00:27:53,566 DIRECTOR. 965 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,633 WE ARE GLAD SHE WAS WITH US. 966 00:27:53,566 --> 00:27:59,200 YOU CAN FOLLOW ME ON FACEBOOK, 967 00:27:55,633 --> 00:28:01,566 TWITTER INSTAGRAM AND WATCH PAST 968 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,166 EPISODES OF CONNECTIONS ONLINE.