1 00:00:00,266 --> 00:00:13,713 ♪ 2 00:00:13,813 --> 00:00:15,248 Welcome to This Week in South Carolina. 3 00:00:15,348 --> 00:00:17,517 I'm Gavin Jackson. This week we closed out 4 00:00:17,617 --> 00:00:20,687 Election 2020, and with it Senator Lindsey Graham 5 00:00:20,787 --> 00:00:23,089 won a fourth term to the U. S. Senate. 6 00:00:23,189 --> 00:00:25,025 Nancy Mace flipped the First Congressional District 7 00:00:25,125 --> 00:00:27,460 back into Republican control, and the State House 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,863 got more conservative. We break it all down 9 00:00:29,963 --> 00:00:31,998 with Meg Kinnard of The Associated Press 10 00:00:32,098 --> 00:00:34,167 and Jamie Lovegrove with The Post and Courier. 11 00:00:34,267 --> 00:00:38,038 Now the latest from this week. Voters on Tuesday turned out 12 00:00:38,138 --> 00:00:41,174 in numbers second only to the 2018 election 13 00:00:41,274 --> 00:00:43,309 and shattered the absentee voting record 14 00:00:43,410 --> 00:00:46,212 due in part to the COVID-19 pandemic, 15 00:00:46,312 --> 00:00:48,581 with one point three million voting absentee 16 00:00:48,681 --> 00:00:50,950 before election day. While most races were called 17 00:00:51,050 --> 00:00:53,553 within hours of polls closing Tuesday night, 18 00:00:53,653 --> 00:00:55,688 those record setting mail-in absentee ballots 19 00:00:55,789 --> 00:00:58,258 were still being counted in several counties, 20 00:00:58,358 --> 00:01:01,561 including Richland, toward the end of the week. 21 00:01:01,661 --> 00:01:03,129 Even with record amounts of money flowing 22 00:01:03,229 --> 00:01:04,931 into the biggest race on the ticket, 23 00:01:05,031 --> 00:01:06,499 the Senate race between Senator Lindsey Graham 24 00:01:06,599 --> 00:01:09,936 and Democrat Jimmy Harrison, Republicans held their ground 25 00:01:10,036 --> 00:01:13,139 and staved off other well funded opponents on the ballot, 26 00:01:13,239 --> 00:01:15,442 while boosting their control in the state, 27 00:01:15,542 --> 00:01:17,477 flipping back the First Congressional District and 28 00:01:17,577 --> 00:01:20,947 gaining multiple seats in the state Senate and House. 29 00:01:21,047 --> 00:01:23,450 GOP party chairman Drew McKissick credited 30 00:01:23,550 --> 00:01:26,419 a massive party effort in national politics. 31 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:30,657 And so to the extent that that continues, 32 00:01:30,757 --> 00:01:34,594 they're our best messenger by way of example 33 00:01:34,694 --> 00:01:36,863 and so the more that we hold up, you know, 34 00:01:36,963 --> 00:01:40,834 what the Democrat party stands for to South Carolina voters, 35 00:01:40,934 --> 00:01:44,971 especially those in rural areas, they do react negatively, 36 00:01:45,071 --> 00:01:48,308 and really the fact that no matter how much money you spend, 37 00:01:48,408 --> 00:01:50,610 people have to be willing to buy what you're selling. 38 00:01:50,710 --> 00:01:53,379 The people were not buying what Jamie Harrison was selling, 39 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,315 and it not only hurt him in his campaign, 40 00:01:55,415 --> 00:01:57,750 but it hurt his party on down the ballot. 41 00:01:57,851 --> 00:01:59,619 Democratic Party Chairman Trav Robertson 42 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:01,921 gave his take on the results. 43 00:02:02,021 --> 00:02:06,926 First and foremost we can't overturn twenty years of 44 00:02:07,026 --> 00:02:11,130 Republican control in the span of eight months. 45 00:02:11,231 --> 00:02:13,500 It's going to take at least another two or three 46 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:18,671 election cycles. But what we did start in 2018 and 47 00:02:18,771 --> 00:02:23,977 now was to build a foundation, a foundation upon which 48 00:02:24,077 --> 00:02:27,447 we can build in the next two election cycles. 49 00:02:27,547 --> 00:02:30,850 In the last week of this campaign, Lindsey Graham 50 00:02:30,950 --> 00:02:33,253 had to have the Vice-President of The United States 51 00:02:33,353 --> 00:02:35,655 come here, and Mitch McConnell dumped 52 00:02:35,755 --> 00:02:40,527 fifteen million dollars to bail Lindsay Graham out. 53 00:02:40,627 --> 00:02:42,195 Democrat Jamie Harrison raised more money 54 00:02:42,295 --> 00:02:44,330 than any Senate candidate in history, 55 00:02:44,430 --> 00:02:46,266 more than a hundred thirty million dollars, 56 00:02:46,366 --> 00:02:49,135 but still lost to Senator Graham by double digits, 57 00:02:49,235 --> 00:02:51,204 with ninety-six percent of the precincts reporting, 58 00:02:51,304 --> 00:02:53,606 he addressed his supporters Tuesday night. 59 00:02:53,706 --> 00:02:58,444 We proved that a new South is rising. 60 00:02:58,545 --> 00:03:06,185 Tonight only slowed us down, but a new South with leaders 61 00:03:06,286 --> 00:03:10,256 who reflect the community and serve the interests of everyone 62 00:03:10,356 --> 00:03:13,326 will be here soon enough. 63 00:03:13,426 --> 00:03:15,562 Lindsey Graham, who raised more than a hundred million dollars 64 00:03:15,662 --> 00:03:18,698 in the race was vindicated Tuesday as he won a fourth term 65 00:03:18,798 --> 00:03:21,834 to the Senate with a pledge to keep his bipartisan roots. 66 00:03:21,935 --> 00:03:24,904 Here's the message I got: People like what I'm doing 67 00:03:25,004 --> 00:03:31,210 and I'm going to keep doing it. [laughs] 68 00:03:31,311 --> 00:03:35,515 I'm going back to the Senate with a purpose. 69 00:03:35,615 --> 00:03:38,084 I've never wanted my job more than I do now. 70 00:03:38,184 --> 00:03:41,654 I never appreciated my job more than I do now. 71 00:03:41,754 --> 00:03:44,324 I've never been more grateful to have it, 72 00:03:44,424 --> 00:03:46,125 and I think I've never been more prepared 73 00:03:46,225 --> 00:03:50,029 to do it than I am right now. 74 00:03:50,129 --> 00:03:52,365 So here's what we're going to do: 75 00:03:52,465 --> 00:03:55,335 we're going to put our national security interests 76 00:03:55,435 --> 00:03:57,203 ahead of everything else because without national security 77 00:03:57,303 --> 00:04:01,741 nothing else matters. Isn't that right, Joe? 78 00:04:01,841 --> 00:04:03,409 Despite some fourteen thousand absentee ballots 79 00:04:03,509 --> 00:04:06,713 in Dorchester County needing to be counted by hand due to a 80 00:04:06,813 --> 00:04:09,682 problem being read by scanners, the AP was able to call the 81 00:04:09,782 --> 00:04:12,285 First Congressional District for Republican State Representative 82 00:04:12,385 --> 00:04:14,253 Nancy Mace, returning the seat to Republicans 83 00:04:14,354 --> 00:04:17,256 which is a top priority of the party. 84 00:04:17,357 --> 00:04:19,125 For those folks that are out there today 85 00:04:19,225 --> 00:04:21,661 that that maybe weren't with us yesterday, 86 00:04:21,761 --> 00:04:24,430 I'm asking for a chance, a chance to prove to you 87 00:04:24,530 --> 00:04:26,833 that I will be a compassionate leader, 88 00:04:26,933 --> 00:04:31,204 a good listener, an independent thinker, 89 00:04:31,304 --> 00:04:33,740 and that I will be thoughtful and I will be 90 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:36,075 a compassionate leader from here on out. 91 00:04:36,175 --> 00:04:37,877 And in the State House, two House seats 92 00:04:37,977 --> 00:04:40,313 and three Senate seats flipped Republican. 93 00:04:40,413 --> 00:04:42,081 The changes have given Republicans their biggest 94 00:04:42,181 --> 00:04:45,752 majorities in the State House ever. 95 00:04:45,852 --> 00:04:47,754 Joining me now to break down the results of 96 00:04:47,854 --> 00:04:51,257 Election 2020 is Jamie Lovegrove of The Post and Courier 97 00:04:51,357 --> 00:04:52,859 and Meg Kinnard of the Associated Press. 98 00:04:52,959 --> 00:04:54,861 Guys, welcome back. It's great to see that you 99 00:04:54,961 --> 00:04:57,463 are surviving and thriving right now, 100 00:04:57,563 --> 00:04:59,098 now just two days after the election. 101 00:04:59,198 --> 00:05:05,338 [laughter] I want to lead off just with 102 00:05:05,438 --> 00:05:07,740 really quick, the winners, the losers, and the 'oh, my God' 103 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:09,976 moments we saw the past few days here. 104 00:05:10,076 --> 00:05:12,545 The winners, I would say, was South Carolina Republicans 105 00:05:12,645 --> 00:05:17,316 in voter turnout. Losers: Democrats and big money donors. 106 00:05:17,417 --> 00:05:20,219 Our 'oh, my God' moment would be hand counting some 107 00:05:20,319 --> 00:05:23,089 fourteen thousand ballots in Dorchester County, 108 00:05:23,189 --> 00:05:26,325 and of course some slow counting in places like Richland, 109 00:05:26,426 --> 00:05:28,728 Horry and Beaufort. Not too much new there, 110 00:05:28,828 --> 00:05:30,897 but let's start off with what we saw going on 111 00:05:30,997 --> 00:05:33,733 up and down the ballot, and I want to start with you, Meg. 112 00:05:33,833 --> 00:05:36,335 Just tell me a little about the most hyped Senate race 113 00:05:36,436 --> 00:05:38,104 that we've all been covering. We're talking about 114 00:05:38,204 --> 00:05:39,672 Lindsey Graham and Jamie Harrison there. 115 00:05:39,772 --> 00:05:42,709 The AP called that race for Graham nearly three hours 116 00:05:42,809 --> 00:05:46,646 after polls closed there. What did Graham do, Meg, 117 00:05:46,746 --> 00:05:48,181 in your opinion, from what you saw, 118 00:05:48,281 --> 00:05:51,184 what did he do to secure that fourth term? 119 00:05:51,284 --> 00:05:54,020 I think there are a couple of things you can point to when 120 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,923 you look at how did the Graham campaign pulled this off? 121 00:05:57,023 --> 00:05:58,458 How did Lindsey Graham do this? 122 00:05:58,558 --> 00:06:00,893 The first of those is the existing framework 123 00:06:00,993 --> 00:06:03,896 that's present here in South Carolina for Republicans. 124 00:06:03,996 --> 00:06:06,399 We've talked a lot of times. Republicans control 125 00:06:06,499 --> 00:06:08,568 all statewide offices here, the Legislature 126 00:06:08,668 --> 00:06:11,871 and most of Congress, so there's a lot to tap into 127 00:06:11,971 --> 00:06:14,907 in terms of resources, in terms of already existing 128 00:06:15,007 --> 00:06:16,509 grassroots operations that, 129 00:06:16,609 --> 00:06:18,611 particularly for a statewide campaign, 130 00:06:18,711 --> 00:06:21,547 come in very, very handy. The second, and this is 131 00:06:21,647 --> 00:06:23,750 something that I talked to Senator Graham at length about 132 00:06:23,850 --> 00:06:25,585 when I was on the campaign bus with him, 133 00:06:25,685 --> 00:06:29,856 is his ability to develop a fundraising apparatus 134 00:06:29,956 --> 00:06:33,226 to meet that of Jamie Harrison. National Democrats 135 00:06:33,326 --> 00:06:35,294 home their attention in on this race, 136 00:06:35,395 --> 00:06:37,864 brought in a lot of money, and the Graham campaign 137 00:06:37,964 --> 00:06:40,199 had to figure out how do we compete with that, 138 00:06:40,299 --> 00:06:43,269 and they did and so to be able to do that and to be 139 00:06:43,369 --> 00:06:47,106 able to match that money on his side was incredibly important. 140 00:06:47,206 --> 00:06:48,474 But the third piece of this, 141 00:06:48,574 --> 00:06:51,577 and we all saw this over the weekend on the campaign trail, 142 00:06:51,677 --> 00:06:56,816 was Senator Graham really doing what people really like him for. 143 00:06:56,916 --> 00:06:59,085 He was himself. He got back to that, you know, 144 00:06:59,185 --> 00:07:01,420 we saw it during the 2018 Governor's race too, 145 00:07:01,521 --> 00:07:05,057 that personal campaigning side of the jokes and the affability 146 00:07:05,158 --> 00:07:08,161 and really directly relating to people all around the state 147 00:07:08,261 --> 00:07:09,595 on his bus tour. 148 00:07:09,695 --> 00:07:12,565 That reminded people of all the things that he says, you know, 149 00:07:12,665 --> 00:07:14,700 he really wants to do, is to take their messages 150 00:07:14,801 --> 00:07:16,869 back to Washington, and it really seemed 151 00:07:16,969 --> 00:07:18,571 to be resonating with a lot of the folks, 152 00:07:18,671 --> 00:07:20,640 these hundreds of people that we would see come out 153 00:07:20,740 --> 00:07:23,376 to just see him make a twenty minute stop and move on. 154 00:07:23,476 --> 00:07:24,911 So it's a lot of different things, 155 00:07:25,011 --> 00:07:27,113 but I think that the Graham campaign really was able 156 00:07:27,213 --> 00:07:28,781 to harness all three of those 157 00:07:28,881 --> 00:07:31,918 and bring in a pretty significant victory on Tuesday. 158 00:07:32,018 --> 00:07:33,820 And Jimmy, we'll get into the Harrison campaign 159 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,154 with the Democrats in a moment, 160 00:07:35,254 --> 00:07:37,356 but tell me a little about what the Republicans did. 161 00:07:37,456 --> 00:07:39,225 They turned out massive amounts of voters. 162 00:07:39,325 --> 00:07:41,294 They had a huge ground game going there. 163 00:07:41,394 --> 00:07:43,329 We heard from the state party Chairman Jim McKissick 164 00:07:43,429 --> 00:07:45,965 the other day just talking about just how much went into winning 165 00:07:46,065 --> 00:07:48,167 this go around, and we'll talk about down ballot races, 166 00:07:48,267 --> 00:07:50,369 but tell me about what their operation was looking like 167 00:07:50,469 --> 00:07:52,872 and how they did this for that perspective. 168 00:07:52,972 --> 00:07:56,475 Yeah, the ground game mismatch here was very significant, 169 00:07:56,576 --> 00:07:59,512 you know, on the airwaves especially the last couple 170 00:07:59,612 --> 00:08:01,480 of months of the race, because of, you know, 171 00:08:01,581 --> 00:08:04,150 what Meg was saying about how Lindsay was able to raise 172 00:08:04,250 --> 00:08:06,419 significant amounts of his own money to compete 173 00:08:06,519 --> 00:08:10,022 with Jamie, you know, on TV, on digital, on advertising, 174 00:08:10,122 --> 00:08:13,192 they were able to to run fairly close to neck and neck. 175 00:08:13,292 --> 00:08:15,595 You know, Jamie Harrison may be turning a little bit more, 176 00:08:15,695 --> 00:08:17,797 but Senator Graham was also spending a ton of money 177 00:08:17,897 --> 00:08:19,632 and Republicans were spending a ton of money, 178 00:08:19,732 --> 00:08:22,001 but on the ground, Democrats did not, 179 00:08:22,101 --> 00:08:24,570 until really the last month of the race, 180 00:08:24,670 --> 00:08:27,907 send folks out to go knock on doors for the most part. 181 00:08:28,007 --> 00:08:31,444 They were more hesitant than Republicans were 182 00:08:31,544 --> 00:08:35,481 about the health risks of the coronavirus. 183 00:08:35,581 --> 00:08:36,682 They, you know, Trav Robertson, 184 00:08:36,782 --> 00:08:37,884 South Carolina Democratic Party Chairman 185 00:08:37,984 --> 00:08:40,086 yesterday said that, you know, they didn't want to risk 186 00:08:40,186 --> 00:08:43,055 the health of their staff, the volunteers, or the voters 187 00:08:43,155 --> 00:08:44,991 as they were going door to door. 188 00:08:45,091 --> 00:08:48,761 The Republicans said that they were able to do it safely 189 00:08:48,861 --> 00:08:50,563 and they had no qualms about doing it, 190 00:08:50,663 --> 00:08:53,266 and they kept doing it, you know, pretty much from 191 00:08:53,366 --> 00:08:56,035 as soon as the state began to open back up. 192 00:08:56,135 --> 00:08:59,772 Jim McKissick said that they had five times the 193 00:08:59,872 --> 00:09:03,075 biggest 'get out the vote' turn out ground game operation 194 00:09:03,175 --> 00:09:05,378 the party has ever had in South Carolina, 195 00:09:05,478 --> 00:09:07,380 and they've already, of course, South Carolina Republicans, 196 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,349 you know, have dominated the state for well over a decade 197 00:09:10,449 --> 00:09:14,287 now and yet even compared to those previous cycles, 198 00:09:14,387 --> 00:09:16,322 they were significantly stepping it up. 199 00:09:16,422 --> 00:09:20,126 You know, campaigns really change things on the margins 200 00:09:20,226 --> 00:09:23,796 and it's hard to imagine that even a Democratic ground game 201 00:09:23,896 --> 00:09:25,364 that had matched up with the Republican 202 00:09:25,464 --> 00:09:27,934 one would've been able to close what is now 203 00:09:28,034 --> 00:09:29,702 looking to be a double digit difference 204 00:09:29,802 --> 00:09:31,804 between these two candidates. 205 00:09:31,904 --> 00:09:34,340 You know, what helped Republicans 206 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,075 and what hurt Democrats, and Republicans 207 00:09:36,175 --> 00:09:38,010 are saying this frankly for the entire campaign, 208 00:09:38,110 --> 00:09:41,080 was South Carolina fundamentally has more 209 00:09:41,180 --> 00:09:44,116 ideologically conservative leaning voters 210 00:09:44,216 --> 00:09:47,520 than liberal leaning voters, and you know, 211 00:09:47,620 --> 00:09:49,221 particularly as the National Democratic Party 212 00:09:49,322 --> 00:09:51,490 has gotten more aggressive over the years, 213 00:09:51,590 --> 00:09:55,428 it's gotten harder to convince its conservative voters to to, 214 00:09:55,528 --> 00:09:59,732 you know, split their tickets, even if they vote for Trump 215 00:09:59,832 --> 00:10:03,135 on the Presidential level, to vote for Democrats down ballot. 216 00:10:03,235 --> 00:10:07,139 You know, we're seeing much less of that as the years go on and, 217 00:10:07,239 --> 00:10:09,775 you know, Trump remains, of course, very popular 218 00:10:09,875 --> 00:10:12,244 among huge swaths of South Carolina, 219 00:10:12,345 --> 00:10:15,147 and, you know, he and Senator Graham 220 00:10:15,247 --> 00:10:17,249 both had coattails for the rest of the party. 221 00:10:17,350 --> 00:10:19,885 Meg, I want to fall back on what Jamie was talking about 222 00:10:19,986 --> 00:10:22,521 and how they made this work. We'll look at the flip side, 223 00:10:22,622 --> 00:10:24,390 look at the Democrats, look at Jamie Harrison's 224 00:10:24,490 --> 00:10:26,626 campaign, obviously, you know, a lot of national attention 225 00:10:26,726 --> 00:10:29,295 coming in there. But what did they do right? 226 00:10:29,395 --> 00:10:31,330 I mean, we can point to that national attention, 227 00:10:31,430 --> 00:10:33,032 but what didn't fall in their favor? 228 00:10:33,132 --> 00:10:34,600 Obviously we're talking about turn out here, 229 00:10:34,700 --> 00:10:36,602 and being a fundamentally Republican state, 230 00:10:36,702 --> 00:10:38,804 looking at a difference of about two hundred sixty thousand 231 00:10:38,904 --> 00:10:42,508 votes right there, going for the Republicans. 232 00:10:42,608 --> 00:10:45,177 What was going on in the Harrison campaign and maybe 233 00:10:45,277 --> 00:10:46,846 what more did they need besides obviously 234 00:10:46,946 --> 00:10:48,914 the voters to turn out? 235 00:10:49,015 --> 00:10:51,384 Clearly, most evidently, and first off, 236 00:10:51,484 --> 00:10:53,085 the thing they did right was fundraising. 237 00:10:53,185 --> 00:10:56,589 They clearly figured out how to tap into, as Jamie was noting, 238 00:10:56,689 --> 00:10:58,424 national democratic networks as well as 239 00:10:58,524 --> 00:11:00,860 folks here in South Carolina. That was one of the things 240 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,361 that Jamie Harrison said he 241 00:11:02,461 --> 00:11:04,597 could bring to this race from the jump, 242 00:11:04,697 --> 00:11:06,732 was that he had national democratic connections 243 00:11:06,832 --> 00:11:09,335 because of his time with the DNC and also representing the 244 00:11:09,435 --> 00:11:12,438 South Carolina Democratic Party during a very active 245 00:11:12,538 --> 00:11:14,774 2016 presidential cycle, so he said 246 00:11:14,874 --> 00:11:16,776 he had those connections where he could really work 247 00:11:16,876 --> 00:11:19,745 to develop that fundraising, and he did to the tune of 248 00:11:19,845 --> 00:11:22,415 a hundred and thirty million dollars at the end of the day. 249 00:11:22,515 --> 00:11:24,817 But the second thing that I think they also had going 250 00:11:24,917 --> 00:11:28,387 in their favor was, maybe it didn't end up working 251 00:11:28,487 --> 00:11:32,058 electorally for their favor, was though, the attention, 252 00:11:32,158 --> 00:11:33,993 the ability. You know, a lot of candidates 253 00:11:34,093 --> 00:11:36,595 who've never actually run for any elected office 254 00:11:36,695 --> 00:11:40,533 have to spend a really long time introducing themselves 255 00:11:40,633 --> 00:11:42,935 and that can happen even up until election day. 256 00:11:43,035 --> 00:11:45,271 They feel like, especially against an incumbent, 257 00:11:45,371 --> 00:11:47,339 they have quite a deficit to make up 258 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,642 in terms of people actually knowing their names. 259 00:11:49,742 --> 00:11:53,179 I think it's safe to say that anyone in South Carolina 260 00:11:53,279 --> 00:11:56,315 down to my nine year old, knew who Jamie Harrison was 261 00:11:56,415 --> 00:11:58,718 by the time the election rolled around 262 00:11:58,818 --> 00:12:01,353 because of all of these ads that he'd been able to run 263 00:12:01,454 --> 00:12:03,989 on television and on digital spaces, 264 00:12:04,090 --> 00:12:06,459 so certainly getting out his biography and making sure 265 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,694 that people knew his name was something they did 266 00:12:08,794 --> 00:12:11,263 very well from the beginning, and even though 267 00:12:11,363 --> 00:12:13,833 it didn't work out in his favor for the election 268 00:12:13,933 --> 00:12:16,435 for this time, now going forward 269 00:12:16,535 --> 00:12:18,237 for anything else he decides to do, 270 00:12:18,337 --> 00:12:19,972 Jamie Harrison is not a stranger. 271 00:12:20,072 --> 00:12:23,209 People already know his name. They know most of his story, 272 00:12:23,309 --> 00:12:25,578 and so from that aspect he's already built 273 00:12:25,678 --> 00:12:29,215 a sizable political biography if he decides to go 274 00:12:29,315 --> 00:12:30,883 for another office in the future. 275 00:12:30,983 --> 00:12:32,985 And Jamie, just to jump on that as well, 276 00:12:33,085 --> 00:12:35,020 looking at what the Harrison campaign did well, 277 00:12:35,121 --> 00:12:38,424 what did work in their favor, is this a plus when we look 278 00:12:38,524 --> 00:12:40,392 at Democrats running statewide? I mean, you're talking about 279 00:12:40,493 --> 00:12:42,795 a double digit difference there 280 00:12:42,895 --> 00:12:44,964 and spending more than a hundred twenty million dollars, 281 00:12:45,064 --> 00:12:46,766 and then you look at previous statewide races, 282 00:12:46,866 --> 00:12:48,534 you know, most notably the Governor's race with 283 00:12:48,634 --> 00:12:50,503 James Smith, and that was of a shorter margin. 284 00:12:50,603 --> 00:12:52,271 Obviously, that wasn't in a presidential election year, 285 00:12:52,371 --> 00:12:54,073 so things do change. But what can the 286 00:12:54,173 --> 00:12:57,176 Democrats take away from this this race? 287 00:12:57,276 --> 00:13:01,981 You know, when I talked to Jamie on Tuesday morning as 288 00:13:02,081 --> 00:13:04,650 he was going around to polling locations around Columbia, 289 00:13:04,750 --> 00:13:06,418 of course he didn't think at that point 290 00:13:06,519 --> 00:13:07,987 he was gonna lose by double digits, 291 00:13:08,087 --> 00:13:10,389 I think he was beginning to suspect that it was not 292 00:13:10,489 --> 00:13:13,092 quite gonna go his way that day, and so he was 293 00:13:13,192 --> 00:13:15,261 starting to to lay out the narrative, 294 00:13:15,361 --> 00:13:18,364 the case that he had helped build South Carolina 295 00:13:18,464 --> 00:13:21,133 Democratic politics for the future, 296 00:13:21,233 --> 00:13:25,237 and his case for that was, you know, the party infrastructure 297 00:13:25,337 --> 00:13:28,374 is stronger than it has been in an extremely long time. 298 00:13:28,474 --> 00:13:31,177 There is a whole new generation of campaign operatives 299 00:13:31,277 --> 00:13:34,313 who have worked on his campaign that may stay in 300 00:13:34,413 --> 00:13:36,448 South Carolina and try to build the Democratic Party. 301 00:13:36,549 --> 00:13:41,387 They built a humongous national email fundraising list 302 00:13:41,487 --> 00:13:45,624 that it could benefit them for many many years to come. 303 00:13:45,724 --> 00:13:48,594 I mean, it rivals just about any presidential campaign 304 00:13:48,694 --> 00:13:51,497 outside of probably Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders, 305 00:13:51,597 --> 00:13:58,404 and so those are all helpful. The flip side is that, 306 00:13:58,504 --> 00:14:00,739 and I'm sorry to hear Democrats talking about this 307 00:14:00,839 --> 00:14:03,976 as we approached election day, kind of quietly their 308 00:14:04,076 --> 00:14:08,480 one big fear was that if he did lose, 309 00:14:08,581 --> 00:14:12,284 and they really did not expect him to lose by this much, 310 00:14:12,384 --> 00:14:17,223 was that going to dissuade national organizations, 311 00:14:17,323 --> 00:14:20,993 national donors, Democrats around the country 312 00:14:21,093 --> 00:14:23,762 from investing in South Carolina in the future? 313 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:27,066 Because if a hundred thirty million plus can't do it, 314 00:14:27,166 --> 00:14:30,336 you know, what can? And, you know, 315 00:14:30,436 --> 00:14:32,605 the answer to that in Drew McKissick's mind, 316 00:14:32,705 --> 00:14:34,940 the mind of the South Carolina Democratic Party Chairman, 317 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,710 is there is no amount of money that can turn 318 00:14:37,810 --> 00:14:42,181 South Carolina blue. It is just too fundamentally 319 00:14:42,281 --> 00:14:46,752 conservative and in some ways, by bringing all the 320 00:14:46,852 --> 00:14:51,023 attention that he did, he reminded Republican 321 00:14:51,123 --> 00:14:55,027 voters that they can't get complacent, 322 00:14:55,127 --> 00:14:57,730 and they all showed up in huge numbers on Tuesday. 323 00:14:57,830 --> 00:15:00,466 I would, you know, I would just finally say that one thing 324 00:15:00,566 --> 00:15:02,735 that the Democrats have done well is recruiting 325 00:15:02,835 --> 00:15:05,337 these candidates with really inspiring life stories. 326 00:15:05,437 --> 00:15:08,707 Jamie Harrison, James Smith as you mentioned, you know, 327 00:15:08,807 --> 00:15:13,379 these are as good of candidate recruits as you could hope for 328 00:15:13,479 --> 00:15:16,949 in South Carolina Democrats, because what they're trying 329 00:15:17,049 --> 00:15:19,318 to do is make this more about character, 330 00:15:19,418 --> 00:15:22,388 make this more about personalities, and less 331 00:15:22,488 --> 00:15:25,391 about some of these more divisive policies, 332 00:15:25,491 --> 00:15:28,494 because again, they know as well as we do that there are 333 00:15:28,594 --> 00:15:30,329 so many conservative voters in South Carolina. 334 00:15:30,429 --> 00:15:33,632 The problem is every single time we get in the last month, 335 00:15:33,732 --> 00:15:36,402 last two months of the election, the Republican candidates are 336 00:15:36,502 --> 00:15:40,205 really good at reminding voters about the policy consequences 337 00:15:40,306 --> 00:15:42,641 of these elections, and Lindsey Graham kept hammering 338 00:15:42,741 --> 00:15:45,377 on the fact that this is not a personality contest. 339 00:15:45,477 --> 00:15:50,349 You may not like me as a guy. I hope you do, but if you don't, 340 00:15:50,449 --> 00:15:54,086 don't forget about control of the Senate and 341 00:15:54,186 --> 00:15:55,888 conservative judges and conservative policies, 342 00:15:55,988 --> 00:15:58,991 and that drives voters to the polls at the end of the day. 343 00:15:59,091 --> 00:16:01,427 Yeah, up and down the ballot we saw that, for sure. 344 00:16:01,527 --> 00:16:03,462 Before we get to the First Congressional District race, 345 00:16:03,562 --> 00:16:05,230 obviously a huge one to talk about, Meg, 346 00:16:05,331 --> 00:16:07,466 I want to wrap up here and talk about the money 347 00:16:07,566 --> 00:16:09,702 in the in the Senate race. You know, we were talking 348 00:16:09,802 --> 00:16:11,170 we've been talking about Jamie Harrison raising 349 00:16:11,270 --> 00:16:12,471 a hundred thirty plus million dollars, 350 00:16:12,571 --> 00:16:14,840 the Graham campaign, you know, getting up there with about 351 00:16:14,940 --> 00:16:18,110 a hundred million dollars plus. Do you think that that money 352 00:16:18,210 --> 00:16:19,812 turned people off? You heard Lindsey Graham 353 00:16:19,912 --> 00:16:22,214 in his victory speech say this was the worst return 354 00:16:22,314 --> 00:16:25,084 on investment in American politics. 355 00:16:25,184 --> 00:16:27,152 We're referencing the Harrison campaign, 356 00:16:27,252 --> 00:16:28,921 and we're looking at, you know, still again, 357 00:16:29,021 --> 00:16:31,256 double digit loss here. You know, did that 358 00:16:31,357 --> 00:16:33,025 turn people off? When we see the advertising, 359 00:16:33,125 --> 00:16:34,760 did it just not work? I mean, obviously 360 00:16:34,860 --> 00:16:36,462 dollar bills don't vote in South Carolina. 361 00:16:36,562 --> 00:16:37,930 We're fundamentally Republican here. 362 00:16:38,030 --> 00:16:41,166 It didn't really change much. What did it do? 363 00:16:41,266 --> 00:16:42,735 Well, it certainly allowed the candidates 364 00:16:42,835 --> 00:16:43,969 to get their messages out there, 365 00:16:44,069 --> 00:16:46,171 but as you know with the ads, that kind of led 366 00:16:46,271 --> 00:16:48,240 to a saturation point, and so I think people 367 00:16:48,340 --> 00:16:52,211 on both sides of this race had gotten to the place 368 00:16:52,311 --> 00:16:53,846 where they were sick of hearing about it. 369 00:16:53,946 --> 00:16:56,115 I jokingly referenced my nine year old 370 00:16:56,215 --> 00:16:58,183 because she saw the ads on youtube, but I mean, 371 00:16:58,283 --> 00:17:01,086 that's just one example of how ever present 372 00:17:01,186 --> 00:17:03,922 some of this advertising was. There were also critics, 373 00:17:04,022 --> 00:17:07,760 of course, who look at this race all told on all sides including 374 00:17:07,860 --> 00:17:09,995 the third party groups in the year 375 00:17:10,095 --> 00:17:12,264 two hundred fifty million dollar range and saying 376 00:17:12,364 --> 00:17:15,000 "Wow, what else could we be doing with that money? 377 00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:17,636 Why is this necessary?" And when I was talking 378 00:17:17,736 --> 00:17:20,039 with Drew McKissick yesterday about all the money 379 00:17:20,139 --> 00:17:22,141 in this race, he made a good point. 380 00:17:22,241 --> 00:17:24,643 Because of the nationalization of this 381 00:17:24,743 --> 00:17:26,945 contest and all of the national money that the 382 00:17:27,045 --> 00:17:29,214 Harrison campaign was able to tap into, 383 00:17:29,314 --> 00:17:32,351 that actually ended up strengthening Republicans here, 384 00:17:32,451 --> 00:17:35,320 not just because they developed a pathway so they could also 385 00:17:35,421 --> 00:17:39,258 start raising that much money, but just infrastructurally. 386 00:17:39,358 --> 00:17:41,727 It also forced them to, as he described it, 387 00:17:41,827 --> 00:17:45,864 basically fortify themselves for when things like this happen. 388 00:17:45,964 --> 00:17:48,634 So in terms of the Senate race, any other Senate race 389 00:17:48,734 --> 00:17:51,070 that comes up, or other races that will be 390 00:17:51,170 --> 00:17:54,273 -it's just painful to think about- two years from now 391 00:17:54,373 --> 00:17:55,507 we'll be doing the governor's race and all 392 00:17:55,607 --> 00:17:58,410 the congressional races again. They're ready, and he says 393 00:17:58,510 --> 00:18:00,979 that they're going to have an even stronger statewide 394 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,283 apparatus on a grassroots level, on a fundraising level 395 00:18:04,383 --> 00:18:07,052 on the staffing level, to be prepared for whatever 396 00:18:07,152 --> 00:18:10,189 Democrats try to bring. So the money for Democrats 397 00:18:10,289 --> 00:18:11,890 had helped them during the campaign, 398 00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:13,792 but it might hurt them in future ones. 399 00:18:13,892 --> 00:18:15,694 Yeah, that was something I was gonna actually try 400 00:18:15,794 --> 00:18:17,830 and tie in there, Jamie. We look at 2022 401 00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:19,398 with the Governor's race, Tim Scott's race. 402 00:18:19,498 --> 00:18:22,601 These are not gonna be anywhere near similar, I wouldn't think, 403 00:18:22,701 --> 00:18:24,236 to what we saw this year, obviously, also 404 00:18:24,336 --> 00:18:26,672 because it's a mid-term, but still, you know, Tim Scott 405 00:18:26,772 --> 00:18:28,574 is not the figure that Lindsey Graham was, 406 00:18:28,674 --> 00:18:31,910 not this motivating figure nationally, 407 00:18:32,010 --> 00:18:33,812 though he does have a lot of name ID. 408 00:18:33,912 --> 00:18:35,414 It's a completely different situation there. 409 00:18:35,514 --> 00:18:37,816 What's 2022 gonna look like, briefly? 410 00:18:37,916 --> 00:18:40,018 Yeah, I would certainly imagine that the top target 411 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,188 for Democrats in 2022 is going to be Governor McMaster 412 00:18:43,288 --> 00:18:47,226 or frankly, we'll get into this later, probably not today, 413 00:18:47,326 --> 00:18:49,862 but whoever the Republican nominee is for governor, 414 00:18:49,962 --> 00:18:52,431 because I am quite confident there will be a contested 415 00:18:52,531 --> 00:18:54,833 primary on that side, I think that would be 416 00:18:54,933 --> 00:18:56,568 their top target for a number of reasons. 417 00:18:56,668 --> 00:19:00,439 You know, Tim Scott is by far the most popular politician 418 00:19:00,539 --> 00:19:02,674 in South Carolina, at least the most popular 419 00:19:02,774 --> 00:19:05,911 current sitting politician in South Carolina, 420 00:19:06,011 --> 00:19:12,384 and so he is very hard to touch for Democrats at this point. 421 00:19:12,484 --> 00:19:14,353 I'm sure they will have someone running against him 422 00:19:14,453 --> 00:19:15,787 and will definitely not be unchallenged, 423 00:19:15,888 --> 00:19:18,157 but that one's gonna be extremely difficult. 424 00:19:18,257 --> 00:19:21,126 Um, you know, when it comes to governors' races, 425 00:19:21,226 --> 00:19:25,063 North Carolina Democrats have been very very effective 426 00:19:25,163 --> 00:19:28,700 at winning governors' races 427 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:33,071 even when the state on federal level goes red. 428 00:19:33,171 --> 00:19:38,210 And, you know, the way they do that is to try to talk 429 00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:43,348 more about these state level issues, governing competency, 430 00:19:43,448 --> 00:19:48,187 less polarizing partisan issues that are able to convince 431 00:19:48,287 --> 00:19:51,990 a lot of moderate Republicans to come over and vote 432 00:19:52,090 --> 00:19:54,793 for a Democrat for governor, and we just saw, 433 00:19:54,893 --> 00:19:56,995 you know it looks like North Carolina is probably gonna 434 00:19:57,095 --> 00:19:59,398 go red in the presidential race. We just saw the Democratic 435 00:19:59,498 --> 00:20:02,234 governor easily win in North Carolina. 436 00:20:02,334 --> 00:20:05,804 That's a formula that Democrats in South Carolina have 437 00:20:05,904 --> 00:20:10,809 long been hoping they could channel and bring down here, um, 438 00:20:10,909 --> 00:20:13,011 and we'll see if they can have some more success 439 00:20:13,111 --> 00:20:17,849 with that in in 2022, but you're right. 440 00:20:17,950 --> 00:20:20,252 There will never be, you know, there's probably not gonna be 441 00:20:20,352 --> 00:20:23,989 this much money here in any foreseeable race in the future, 442 00:20:24,089 --> 00:20:28,393 and you know, that may not be the worst thing in the world 443 00:20:28,493 --> 00:20:32,998 for Democrats, that once they seemed to acknowledge yesterday 444 00:20:33,098 --> 00:20:34,533 and what Republicans certainly said was there 445 00:20:34,633 --> 00:20:36,835 was a lot of diminishing returns on the spending. 446 00:20:36,935 --> 00:20:39,404 You know, once you get up with the first several hundred ads 447 00:20:39,504 --> 00:20:40,906 people kind of tune them all out, 448 00:20:41,006 --> 00:20:43,175 and when you look down ballot, you know, 449 00:20:43,275 --> 00:20:45,877 when you have the airwaves filled with ads 450 00:20:45,978 --> 00:20:48,647 about the Senate election, about the presidential election, 451 00:20:48,747 --> 00:20:52,718 that makes it much more difficult for, you know, 452 00:20:52,818 --> 00:20:55,220 candidates down ballot races to distinguish themselves 453 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,656 on top of the ticket, so it may be for the best, 454 00:20:57,756 --> 00:20:59,992 for the better for Democrats in the long run. 455 00:21:00,092 --> 00:21:02,127 And I apologize, we only have about five minutes left 456 00:21:02,227 --> 00:21:04,496 and I know we're talking about things that aren't even 457 00:21:04,596 --> 00:21:06,932 happening right now, but Meg, I want to talk about SC01. 458 00:21:07,032 --> 00:21:09,668 Um, we saw it flip back red after forty years, you know, 459 00:21:09,768 --> 00:21:11,737 it flipped blue in 2018 with Joe Cunningham. 460 00:21:11,837 --> 00:21:14,106 Nancy Mace flipped that seat back there. 461 00:21:14,206 --> 00:21:15,741 Kind of tell us what happened there 462 00:21:15,841 --> 00:21:18,176 and how she was able to do that. 463 00:21:18,276 --> 00:21:20,912 Sure, I think that one of the biggest things that helped 464 00:21:21,013 --> 00:21:23,448 Nancy Mace in this district was the fact that this is 465 00:21:23,548 --> 00:21:26,385 a presidential election year. 2018 was not when that district 466 00:21:26,485 --> 00:21:30,055 flipped back to blue control, and so this year there were 467 00:21:30,155 --> 00:21:33,425 a lot of voters coming out to support President Trump 468 00:21:33,525 --> 00:21:36,828 and Nancy reminded folks not as often as you might think, 469 00:21:36,928 --> 00:21:39,464 but she did point out that she was supported 470 00:21:39,564 --> 00:21:42,067 by President Trump, she had worked on his campaign, 471 00:21:42,167 --> 00:21:43,602 and people coming out to vote 472 00:21:43,702 --> 00:21:47,673 for president were voting for her as the Republican nominee 473 00:21:47,773 --> 00:21:49,608 in the First District. She also has a 474 00:21:49,708 --> 00:21:51,877 pretty fascinating biography as we've talked about 475 00:21:51,977 --> 00:21:54,212 with Jamie Harrison as well. The first woman to graduate 476 00:21:54,312 --> 00:21:55,981 from The Citadel, she often talked about 477 00:21:56,081 --> 00:21:57,349 the Waffle House where she worked 478 00:21:57,449 --> 00:21:58,950 when she dropped out of high school. 479 00:21:59,051 --> 00:22:00,619 We were there yesterday in the parking lot 480 00:22:00,719 --> 00:22:02,921 as she was kind of wrapping up her campaign there, 481 00:22:03,021 --> 00:22:04,823 so a lot of things working in her favor, 482 00:22:04,923 --> 00:22:07,125 a good story and also a good candidacy in terms of, 483 00:22:07,225 --> 00:22:09,528 in Republicans eyes, being somebody that 484 00:22:09,628 --> 00:22:11,029 the President could be counting on, 485 00:22:11,129 --> 00:22:13,131 if he is still the President, when the next Congress 486 00:22:13,231 --> 00:22:14,433 is sworn in. 487 00:22:14,533 --> 00:22:16,735 And Jamie, that was part of, again, part of this big sweep 488 00:22:16,835 --> 00:22:18,370 by Republicans. Talking about SC01, 489 00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:20,772 that was something they had been targeting since, you know, 490 00:22:20,872 --> 00:22:22,507 day one in 2018 after Election Day. 491 00:22:22,607 --> 00:22:25,043 Weigh in on that for me too, and also maybe lead into 492 00:22:25,143 --> 00:22:28,046 a little bit more what we saw at the State House. 493 00:22:28,146 --> 00:22:31,750 Yeah, well in terms of the the Lowcountry, you know, 494 00:22:31,850 --> 00:22:35,454 Charleston continues this this this leftward trend. 495 00:22:35,554 --> 00:22:38,590 It is really a pretty blue county at this point, 496 00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:42,728 but as as Chairman McKissick said on the Republican side, 497 00:22:42,828 --> 00:22:45,464 you know, they don't necessarily need Charleston to win 498 00:22:45,564 --> 00:22:48,333 that district because of just how red some of the 499 00:22:48,433 --> 00:22:50,769 surrounding areas are in Beaufort and other parts 500 00:22:50,869 --> 00:22:53,171 of the district, and we saw this huge turn out 501 00:22:53,271 --> 00:22:55,540 in those redder parts of the district. 502 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:01,413 You know, in some ways it snuck up on them in 2018 503 00:23:01,513 --> 00:23:03,415 and there was no way that that was going 504 00:23:03,515 --> 00:23:05,283 to happen this time. All of their voters were 505 00:23:05,383 --> 00:23:08,820 highly plugged into this, to this race, both at the 506 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,889 presidential level and a congressional level, 507 00:23:10,989 --> 00:23:12,991 and so they turned out and they were able to 508 00:23:13,091 --> 00:23:15,894 make sure that Charleston was not able to basically decide 509 00:23:15,994 --> 00:23:19,030 the outcome of the election. But as we look, you know, 510 00:23:19,131 --> 00:23:22,234 elsewhere around the state, it's frankly much bleaker 511 00:23:22,334 --> 00:23:26,171 for Democrats, you know. There are gains 512 00:23:26,271 --> 00:23:30,509 that Republicans are making in places like Horry County, 513 00:23:30,609 --> 00:23:38,150 in places like York County, and even in 514 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:41,419 parts of the Lowcountry, the Pee Dee in general. 515 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,224 So, you know, they had a number of of state Senate 516 00:23:46,324 --> 00:23:48,760 districts they were hoping to flip in the Lowcountry. 517 00:23:48,860 --> 00:23:50,996 They were not able to do it for a single one. 518 00:23:51,096 --> 00:23:55,667 Meanwhile, they lost two Upstate state Senators, 519 00:23:55,767 --> 00:23:59,070 Floyd Nicholson of Greenwood and Glenn Reese of Spartanburg, 520 00:23:59,171 --> 00:24:02,507 and perhaps most significantly of all, 521 00:24:02,607 --> 00:24:06,578 Vincent Sheheen of Camden, the 2010 and 2014 522 00:24:06,678 --> 00:24:08,513 gubernatorial nominee, you know, one of the most esteemed 523 00:24:08,613 --> 00:24:12,417 democratic legislators in the State House. 524 00:24:12,517 --> 00:24:15,287 But the big picture that's beyond the individuals is 525 00:24:15,387 --> 00:24:19,624 Republicans are gonna enter redistricting with a stronger, 526 00:24:19,724 --> 00:24:22,861 in the strongest position they've been in modern history, 527 00:24:22,961 --> 00:24:27,265 and that is going to put them in an incredibly advantageous 528 00:24:27,365 --> 00:24:30,335 position to draw these districts in a way that is going to 529 00:24:30,435 --> 00:24:34,039 ensure their control, their dominance 530 00:24:34,139 --> 00:24:37,709 of South Carolina politics for the next decade. 531 00:24:37,809 --> 00:24:39,644 You know, Trav Robertson, the South Carolina 532 00:24:39,744 --> 00:24:42,380 Democratic Party Chairman, acknowledged yesterday, 533 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,750 this kind of red wave that we saw this year 534 00:24:45,851 --> 00:24:48,954 could not have come at a less opportune time for them, 535 00:24:49,054 --> 00:24:51,523 and it's gonna make it frankly very difficult for them 536 00:24:51,623 --> 00:24:54,326 to make the state more competitive in the years ahead. 537 00:24:54,426 --> 00:24:56,294 Meg, just to piggy back on that with thirty seconds, 538 00:24:56,394 --> 00:24:58,330 kind of give me your final thoughts on Election 2020, 539 00:24:58,430 --> 00:25:00,966 what Jamie was talking on the uphill battle now for Democrats, 540 00:25:01,066 --> 00:25:04,336 even more so than it has been before. 541 00:25:04,436 --> 00:25:06,705 Sure, the one thing the Democrats have said very quietly 542 00:25:06,805 --> 00:25:09,574 before is that they really needed to have money to compete. 543 00:25:09,674 --> 00:25:12,110 Well, they did this time and it obviously didn't turn out. 544 00:25:12,210 --> 00:25:14,846 Jamie Harrison's campaign was able to pass along some of its 545 00:25:14,946 --> 00:25:17,849 money to the state party into other down ticket candidates, 546 00:25:17,949 --> 00:25:20,085 so that hopefully in their eyes will set up a better 547 00:25:20,185 --> 00:25:23,121 infrastructure moving forward. Obviously we'll need to see 548 00:25:23,221 --> 00:25:25,790 what happens but that's their game plan. 549 00:25:25,891 --> 00:25:28,460 A lot happened. A lot still being counted, but again, 550 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,328 so much to look forward to, especially in these 551 00:25:30,428 --> 00:25:33,064 upcoming election cycles that we'll be watching, 552 00:25:33,164 --> 00:25:34,633 that you'll be watching too. 553 00:25:34,733 --> 00:25:35,967 Meg Kinnard with the Associated Press. 554 00:25:36,067 --> 00:25:37,869 Jamie Lovegrove with The Post and Courier. 555 00:25:37,969 --> 00:25:43,608 Thank you again for joining me and so long campaign trail 2020. 556 00:25:43,708 --> 00:25:44,943 Until the next one. 557 00:25:45,043 --> 00:25:47,279 Yeah. [laughing] 558 00:25:47,379 --> 00:25:49,347 To stay up to date with the latest news, 559 00:25:49,447 --> 00:25:51,616 check out the South Carolina Lead. 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