WEBVTT 00:00.266 --> 00:13.713 align:left position:50%,start line:93.33% size:50% ♪ 00:13.813 --> 00:15.248 align:left position:25%,start line:0% size:75% Welcome to This Week in South Carolina. 00:15.348 --> 00:17.517 align:left position:12.5%,start line:0% size:87.5% I'm Gavin Jackson. This week we closed out 00:17.617 --> 00:20.687 align:left position:0%,start line:0% size:100% Election 2020, and with it Senator Lindsey Graham 00:20.787 --> 00:23.089 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% won a fourth term to the U. S. Senate. 00:23.189 --> 00:25.025 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Nancy Mace flipped the First Congressional District 00:25.125 --> 00:27.460 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% back into Republican control, and the State House 00:27.560 --> 00:29.863 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% got more conservative. We break it all down 00:29.963 --> 00:31.998 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% with Meg Kinnard of The Associated Press 00:32.098 --> 00:34.167 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and Jamie Lovegrove with The Post and Courier. 00:34.267 --> 00:38.038 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Now the latest from this week. Voters on Tuesday turned out 00:38.138 --> 00:41.174 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% in numbers second only to the 2018 election 00:41.274 --> 00:43.309 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and shattered the absentee voting record 00:43.410 --> 00:46.212 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% due in part to the COVID-19 pandemic, 00:46.312 --> 00:48.581 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% with one point three million voting absentee 00:48.681 --> 00:50.950 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% before election day. While most races were called 00:51.051 --> 00:53.553 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% within hours of polls closing Tuesday night, 00:53.653 --> 00:55.688 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% those record setting mail-in absentee ballots 00:55.789 --> 00:58.258 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% were still being counted in several counties, 00:58.358 --> 01:01.561 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% including Richland, toward the end of the week. 01:01.661 --> 01:03.129 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Even with record amounts of money flowing 01:03.229 --> 01:04.931 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% into the biggest race on the ticket, 01:05.031 --> 01:06.499 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% the Senate race between Senator Lindsey Graham 01:06.599 --> 01:09.936 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and Democrat Jimmy Harrison, Republicans held their ground 01:10.036 --> 01:13.139 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and staved off other well funded opponents on the ballot, 01:13.239 --> 01:15.442 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% while boosting their control in the state, 01:15.542 --> 01:17.477 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% flipping back the First Congressional District and 01:17.577 --> 01:20.947 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% gaining multiple seats in the state Senate and House. 01:21.047 --> 01:23.450 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% GOP party chairman Drew McKissick credited 01:23.550 --> 01:26.419 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% a massive party effort in national politics. 01:26.519 --> 01:30.657 align:left position:12.5%,start line:0% size:87.5% And so to the extent that that continues, 01:30.757 --> 01:34.594 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% they're our best messenger by way of example 01:34.694 --> 01:36.863 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and so the more that we hold up, you know, 01:36.963 --> 01:40.834 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% what the Democrat party stands for to South Carolina voters, 01:40.934 --> 01:44.971 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% especially those in rural areas, they do react negatively, 01:45.071 --> 01:48.308 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and really the fact that no matter how much money you spend, 01:48.408 --> 01:50.610 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% people have to be willing to buy what you're selling. 01:50.710 --> 01:53.379 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% The people were not buying what Jamie Harrison was selling, 01:53.480 --> 01:55.315 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and it not only hurt him in his campaign, 01:55.415 --> 01:57.750 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% but it hurt his party on down the ballot. 01:57.851 --> 01:59.619 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Democratic Party Chairman Trav Robertson 01:59.719 --> 02:01.921 align:left position:0%,start line:93.33% size:100% gave his take on the results. 02:02.021 --> 02:06.926 align:left position:0%,start line:0% size:100% First and foremost we can't overturn twenty years of 02:07.026 --> 02:11.131 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Republican control in the span of eight months. 02:11.231 --> 02:13.500 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% It's going to take at least another two or three 02:13.600 --> 02:18.671 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% election cycles. But what we did start in 2018 and 02:18.771 --> 02:23.977 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% now was to build a foundation, a foundation upon which 02:24.077 --> 02:27.447 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% we can build in the next two election cycles. 02:27.547 --> 02:30.850 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% In the last week of this campaign, Lindsey Graham 02:30.950 --> 02:33.253 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% had to have the Vice-President of The United States 02:33.353 --> 02:35.655 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% come here, and Mitch McConnell dumped 02:35.755 --> 02:40.527 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% fifteen million dollars to bail Lindsay Graham out. 02:40.627 --> 02:42.195 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Democrat Jamie Harrison raised more money 02:42.295 --> 02:44.330 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% than any Senate candidate in history, 02:44.430 --> 02:46.266 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% more than a hundred thirty million dollars, 02:46.366 --> 02:49.135 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% but still lost to Senator Graham by double digits, 02:49.235 --> 02:51.204 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% with ninety-six percent of the precincts reporting, 02:51.304 --> 02:53.606 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% he addressed his supporters Tuesday night. 02:53.706 --> 02:58.444 align:left position:12.5%,start line:0% size:87.5% We proved that a new South is rising. 02:58.545 --> 03:06.186 align:left position:0%,start line:0% size:100% Tonight only slowed us down, but a new South with leaders 03:06.286 --> 03:10.256 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% who reflect the community and serve the interests of everyone 03:10.356 --> 03:13.326 align:left position:12.5%,start line:93.33% size:87.5% will be here soon enough. 03:13.426 --> 03:15.562 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Lindsey Graham, who raised more than a hundred million dollars 03:15.662 --> 03:18.698 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% in the race was vindicated Tuesday as he won a fourth term 03:18.798 --> 03:21.834 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% to the Senate with a pledge to keep his bipartisan roots. 03:21.935 --> 03:24.904 align:left position:12.5%,start line:0% size:87.5% Here's the message I got: People like what I'm doing 03:25.004 --> 03:31.211 align:left position:0%,start line:0% size:100% and I'm going to keep doing it. [laughs] 03:31.311 --> 03:35.515 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% I'm going back to the Senate with a purpose. 03:35.615 --> 03:38.084 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% I've never wanted my job more than I do now. 03:38.184 --> 03:41.654 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% I never appreciated my job more than I do now. 03:41.754 --> 03:44.324 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% I've never been more grateful to have it, 03:44.424 --> 03:46.125 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and I think I've never been more prepared 03:46.226 --> 03:50.029 align:left position:37.5%,start line:86.67% size:62.5% to do it than I am right now. 03:50.129 --> 03:52.365 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% So here's what we're going to do: 03:52.465 --> 03:55.335 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% we're going to put our national security interests 03:55.435 --> 03:57.203 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% ahead of everything else because without national security 03:57.303 --> 04:01.741 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% nothing else matters. Isn't that right, Joe? 04:01.841 --> 04:03.409 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Despite some fourteen thousand absentee ballots 04:03.509 --> 04:06.713 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% in Dorchester County needing to be counted by hand due to a 04:06.813 --> 04:09.682 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% problem being read by scanners, the AP was able to call the 04:09.782 --> 04:12.285 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% First Congressional District for Republican State Representative 04:12.385 --> 04:14.254 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Nancy Mace, returning the seat to Republicans 04:14.354 --> 04:17.257 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% which is a top priority of the party. 04:17.357 --> 04:19.125 align:left position:12.5%,start line:0% size:87.5% For those folks that are out there today 04:19.225 --> 04:21.661 align:left position:12.5%,start line:0% size:87.5% that that maybe weren't with us yesterday, 04:21.761 --> 04:24.430 align:left position:12.5%,start line:0% size:87.5% I'm asking for a chance, a chance to prove to you 04:24.530 --> 04:26.833 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% that I will be a compassionate leader, 04:26.933 --> 04:31.204 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% a good listener, an independent thinker, 04:31.304 --> 04:33.740 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and that I will be thoughtful and I will be 04:33.840 --> 04:36.075 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% a compassionate leader from here on out. 04:36.175 --> 04:37.877 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% And in the State House, two House seats 04:37.977 --> 04:40.313 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and three Senate seats flipped Republican. 04:40.413 --> 04:42.081 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% The changes have given Republicans their biggest 04:42.181 --> 04:45.752 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% majorities in the State House ever. 04:45.852 --> 04:47.754 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Joining me now to break down the results of 04:47.854 --> 04:51.257 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Election 2020 is Jamie Lovegrove of The Post and Courier 04:51.357 --> 04:52.859 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and Meg Kinnard of the Associated Press. 04:52.959 --> 04:54.861 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Guys, welcome back. It's great to see that you 04:54.961 --> 04:57.463 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% are surviving and thriving right now, 04:57.563 --> 04:59.098 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% now just two days after the election. 04:59.198 --> 05:05.338 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% [laughter] I want to lead off just with 05:05.438 --> 05:07.740 align:left position:0%,start line:80% size:100% really quick, the winners, the losers, and the 'oh, my God' 05:07.840 --> 05:09.976 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% moments we saw the past few days here. 05:10.076 --> 05:12.545 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% The winners, I would say, was South Carolina Republicans 05:12.645 --> 05:17.317 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% in voter turnout. Losers: Democrats and big money donors. 05:17.417 --> 05:20.219 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Our 'oh, my God' moment would be hand counting some 05:20.320 --> 05:23.089 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% fourteen thousand ballots in Dorchester County, 05:23.189 --> 05:26.326 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and of course some slow counting in places like Richland, 05:26.426 --> 05:28.728 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Horry and Beaufort. Not too much new there, 05:28.828 --> 05:30.897 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% but let's start off with what we saw going on 05:30.997 --> 05:33.733 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% up and down the ballot, and I want to start with you, Meg. 05:33.833 --> 05:36.336 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Just tell me a little about the most hyped Senate race 05:36.436 --> 05:38.104 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% that we've all been covering. We're talking about 05:38.204 --> 05:39.672 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Lindsey Graham and Jamie Harrison there. 05:39.772 --> 05:42.709 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% The AP called that race for Graham nearly three hours 05:42.809 --> 05:46.646 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% after polls closed there. What did Graham do, Meg, 05:46.746 --> 05:48.181 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% in your opinion, from what you saw, 05:48.281 --> 05:51.184 align:left position:12.5%,start line:0% size:87.5% what did he do to secure that fourth term? 05:51.284 --> 05:54.020 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% I think there are a couple of things you can point to when 05:54.120 --> 05:56.923 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% you look at how did the Graham campaign pulled this off? 05:57.023 --> 05:58.458 align:left position:0%,start line:93.33% size:100% How did Lindsey Graham do this? 05:58.558 --> 06:00.893 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% The first of those is the existing framework 06:00.993 --> 06:03.896 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% that's present here in South Carolina for Republicans. 06:03.996 --> 06:06.399 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% We've talked a lot of times. Republicans control 06:06.499 --> 06:08.568 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% all statewide offices here, the Legislature 06:08.668 --> 06:11.871 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and most of Congress, so there's a lot to tap into 06:11.971 --> 06:14.907 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% in terms of resources, in terms of already existing 06:15.007 --> 06:16.509 align:left position:0%,start line:93.33% size:100% grassroots operations that, 06:16.609 --> 06:18.611 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% particularly for a statewide campaign, 06:18.711 --> 06:21.547 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% come in very, very handy. The second, and this is 06:21.647 --> 06:23.750 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% something that I talked to Senator Graham at length about 06:23.850 --> 06:25.585 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% when I was on the campaign bus with him, 06:25.685 --> 06:29.856 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% is his ability to develop a fundraising apparatus 06:29.956 --> 06:33.226 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% to meet that of Jamie Harrison. National Democrats 06:33.326 --> 06:35.294 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% home their attention in on this race, 06:35.395 --> 06:37.864 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% brought in a lot of money, and the Graham campaign 06:37.964 --> 06:40.199 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% had to figure out how do we compete with that, 06:40.299 --> 06:43.269 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and they did and so to be able to do that and to be 06:43.369 --> 06:47.106 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% able to match that money on his side was incredibly important. 06:47.206 --> 06:48.474 align:left position:0%,start line:93.33% size:100% But the third piece of this, 06:48.574 --> 06:51.577 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and we all saw this over the weekend on the campaign trail, 06:51.677 --> 06:56.816 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% was Senator Graham really doing what people really like him for. 06:56.916 --> 06:59.085 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% He was himself. He got back to that, you know, 06:59.185 --> 07:01.421 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% we saw it during the 2018 Governor's race too, 07:01.521 --> 07:05.057 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% that personal campaigning side of the jokes and the affability 07:05.158 --> 07:08.161 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and really directly relating to people all around the state 07:08.261 --> 07:09.595 align:left position:25%,start line:93.33% size:75% on his bus tour. 07:09.695 --> 07:12.565 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% That reminded people of all the things that he says, you know, 07:12.665 --> 07:14.700 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% he really wants to do, is to take their messages 07:14.801 --> 07:16.869 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% back to Washington, and it really seemed 07:16.969 --> 07:18.571 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% to be resonating with a lot of the folks, 07:18.671 --> 07:20.640 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% these hundreds of people that we would see come out 07:20.740 --> 07:23.376 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% to just see him make a twenty minute stop and move on. 07:23.476 --> 07:24.911 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% So it's a lot of different things, 07:25.011 --> 07:27.113 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% but I think that the Graham campaign really was able 07:27.213 --> 07:28.781 align:left position:0%,start line:93.33% size:100% to harness all three of those 07:28.881 --> 07:31.918 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and bring in a pretty significant victory on Tuesday. 07:32.018 --> 07:33.820 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% And Jimmy, we'll get into the Harrison campaign 07:33.920 --> 07:35.154 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% with the Democrats in a moment, 07:35.254 --> 07:37.356 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% but tell me a little about what the Republicans did. 07:37.457 --> 07:39.225 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% They turned out massive amounts of voters. 07:39.325 --> 07:41.294 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% They had a huge ground game going there. 07:41.394 --> 07:43.329 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% We heard from the state party Chairman Jim McKissick 07:43.429 --> 07:45.965 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% the other day just talking about just how much went into winning 07:46.065 --> 07:48.167 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% this go around, and we'll talk about down ballot races, 07:48.267 --> 07:50.369 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% but tell me about what their operation was looking like 07:50.470 --> 07:52.872 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and how they did this for that perspective. 07:52.972 --> 07:56.476 align:left position:0%,start line:0% size:100% Yeah, the ground game mismatch here was very significant, 07:56.576 --> 07:59.512 align:left position:12.5%,start line:0% size:87.5% you know, on the airwaves especially the last couple 07:59.612 --> 08:01.481 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% of months of the race, because of, you know, 08:01.581 --> 08:04.150 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% what Meg was saying about how Lindsay was able to raise 08:04.250 --> 08:06.419 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% significant amounts of his own money to compete 08:06.519 --> 08:10.022 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% with Jamie, you know, on TV, on digital, on advertising, 08:10.122 --> 08:13.192 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% they were able to to run fairly close to neck and neck. 08:13.292 --> 08:15.595 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% You know, Jamie Harrison may be turning a little bit more, 08:15.695 --> 08:17.797 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% but Senator Graham was also spending a ton of money 08:17.897 --> 08:19.632 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and Republicans were spending a ton of money, 08:19.732 --> 08:22.001 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% but on the ground, Democrats did not, 08:22.101 --> 08:24.570 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% until really the last month of the race, 08:24.670 --> 08:27.907 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% send folks out to go knock on doors for the most part. 08:28.007 --> 08:31.444 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% They were more hesitant than Republicans were 08:31.544 --> 08:35.481 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% about the health risks of the coronavirus. 08:35.581 --> 08:36.682 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% They, you know, Trav Robertson, 08:36.782 --> 08:37.884 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% South Carolina Democratic Party Chairman 08:37.984 --> 08:40.086 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% yesterday said that, you know, they didn't want to risk 08:40.186 --> 08:43.055 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% the health of their staff, the volunteers, or the voters 08:43.155 --> 08:44.991 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% as they were going door to door. 08:45.091 --> 08:48.761 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% The Republicans said that they were able to do it safely 08:48.861 --> 08:50.563 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and they had no qualms about doing it, 08:50.663 --> 08:53.266 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and they kept doing it, you know, pretty much from 08:53.366 --> 08:56.035 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% as soon as the state began to open back up. 08:56.135 --> 08:59.772 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Jim McKissick said that they had five times the 08:59.872 --> 09:03.075 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% biggest 'get out the vote' turn out ground game operation 09:03.175 --> 09:05.378 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% the party has ever had in South Carolina, 09:05.478 --> 09:07.380 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and they've already, of course, South Carolina Republicans, 09:07.480 --> 09:10.349 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% you know, have dominated the state for well over a decade 09:10.449 --> 09:14.287 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% now and yet even compared to those previous cycles, 09:14.387 --> 09:16.322 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% they were significantly stepping it up. 09:16.422 --> 09:20.126 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% You know, campaigns really change things on the margins 09:20.226 --> 09:23.796 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and it's hard to imagine that even a Democratic ground game 09:23.896 --> 09:25.364 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% that had matched up with the Republican 09:25.464 --> 09:27.934 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% one would've been able to close what is now 09:28.034 --> 09:29.702 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% looking to be a double digit difference 09:29.802 --> 09:31.804 align:left position:0%,start line:93.33% size:100% between these two candidates. 09:31.904 --> 09:34.340 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% You know, what helped Republicans 09:34.440 --> 09:36.075 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and what hurt Democrats, and Republicans 09:36.175 --> 09:38.010 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% are saying this frankly for the entire campaign, 09:38.110 --> 09:41.080 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% was South Carolina fundamentally has more 09:41.180 --> 09:44.116 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% ideologically conservative leaning voters 09:44.216 --> 09:47.520 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% than liberal leaning voters, and you know, 09:47.620 --> 09:49.221 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% particularly as the National Democratic Party 09:49.322 --> 09:51.490 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% has gotten more aggressive over the years, 09:51.591 --> 09:55.428 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% it's gotten harder to convince its conservative voters to to, 09:55.528 --> 09:59.732 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% you know, split their tickets, even if they vote for Trump 09:59.832 --> 10:03.135 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% on the Presidential level, to vote for Democrats down ballot. 10:03.235 --> 10:07.139 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% You know, we're seeing much less of that as the years go on and, 10:07.239 --> 10:09.775 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% you know, Trump remains, of course, very popular 10:09.875 --> 10:12.244 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% among huge swaths of South Carolina, 10:12.345 --> 10:15.147 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% and, you know, he and Senator Graham 10:15.247 --> 10:17.249 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% both had coattails for the rest of the party. 10:17.350 --> 10:19.885 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Meg, I want to fall back on what Jamie was talking about 10:19.986 --> 10:22.521 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and how they made this work. We'll look at the flip side, 10:22.622 --> 10:24.390 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% look at the Democrats, look at Jamie Harrison's 10:24.490 --> 10:26.626 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% campaign, obviously, you know, a lot of national attention 10:26.726 --> 10:29.295 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% coming in there. But what did they do right? 10:29.395 --> 10:31.330 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% I mean, we can point to that national attention, 10:31.430 --> 10:33.032 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% but what didn't fall in their favor? 10:33.132 --> 10:34.600 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Obviously we're talking about turn out here, 10:34.700 --> 10:36.602 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and being a fundamentally Republican state, 10:36.702 --> 10:38.804 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% looking at a difference of about two hundred sixty thousand 10:38.904 --> 10:42.508 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% votes right there, going for the Republicans. 10:42.608 --> 10:45.177 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% What was going on in the Harrison campaign and maybe 10:45.277 --> 10:46.846 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% what more did they need besides obviously 10:46.946 --> 10:48.914 align:left position:12.5%,start line:93.33% size:87.5% the voters to turn out? 10:49.015 --> 10:51.384 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Clearly, most evidently, and first off, 10:51.484 --> 10:53.085 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% the thing they did right was fundraising. 10:53.185 --> 10:56.589 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% They clearly figured out how to tap into, as Jamie was noting, 10:56.689 --> 10:58.424 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% national democratic networks as well as 10:58.524 --> 11:00.860 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% folks here in South Carolina. That was one of the things 11:00.960 --> 11:02.361 align:left position:0%,start line:93.33% size:100% that Jamie Harrison said he 11:02.461 --> 11:04.597 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% could bring to this race from the jump, 11:04.697 --> 11:06.732 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% was that he had national democratic connections 11:06.832 --> 11:09.335 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% because of his time with the DNC and also representing the 11:09.435 --> 11:12.438 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% South Carolina Democratic Party during a very active 11:12.538 --> 11:14.774 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% 2016 presidential cycle, so he said 11:14.874 --> 11:16.776 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% he had those connections where he could really work 11:16.876 --> 11:19.745 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% to develop that fundraising, and he did to the tune of 11:19.845 --> 11:22.415 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% a hundred and thirty million dollars at the end of the day. 11:22.515 --> 11:24.817 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% But the second thing that I think they also had going 11:24.917 --> 11:28.387 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% in their favor was, maybe it didn't end up working 11:28.487 --> 11:32.058 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% electorally for their favor, was though, the attention, 11:32.158 --> 11:33.993 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% the ability. You know, a lot of candidates 11:34.093 --> 11:36.595 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% who've never actually run for any elected office 11:36.696 --> 11:40.533 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% have to spend a really long time introducing themselves 11:40.633 --> 11:42.935 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and that can happen even up until election day. 11:43.035 --> 11:45.271 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% They feel like, especially against an incumbent, 11:45.371 --> 11:47.339 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% they have quite a deficit to make up 11:47.440 --> 11:49.642 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% in terms of people actually knowing their names. 11:49.742 --> 11:53.179 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% I think it's safe to say that anyone in South Carolina 11:53.279 --> 11:56.315 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% down to my nine year old, knew who Jamie Harrison was 11:56.415 --> 11:58.718 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% by the time the election rolled around 11:58.818 --> 12:01.353 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% because of all of these ads that he'd been able to run 12:01.454 --> 12:03.989 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% on television and on digital spaces, 12:04.090 --> 12:06.459 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% so certainly getting out his biography and making sure 12:06.559 --> 12:08.694 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% that people knew his name was something they did 12:08.794 --> 12:11.263 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% very well from the beginning, and even though 12:11.363 --> 12:13.833 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% it didn't work out in his favor for the election 12:13.933 --> 12:16.435 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% for this time, now going forward 12:16.535 --> 12:18.237 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% for anything else he decides to do, 12:18.337 --> 12:19.972 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Jamie Harrison is not a stranger. 12:20.072 --> 12:23.209 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% People already know his name. They know most of his story, 12:23.309 --> 12:25.578 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and so from that aspect he's already built 12:25.678 --> 12:29.215 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% a sizable political biography if he decides to go 12:29.315 --> 12:30.883 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% for another office in the future. 12:30.983 --> 12:32.985 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% And Jamie, just to jump on that as well, 12:33.085 --> 12:35.020 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% looking at what the Harrison campaign did well, 12:35.121 --> 12:38.424 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% what did work in their favor, is this a plus when we look 12:38.524 --> 12:40.392 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% at Democrats running statewide? I mean, you're talking about 12:40.493 --> 12:42.795 align:left position:0%,start line:93.33% size:100% a double digit difference there 12:42.895 --> 12:44.964 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and spending more than a hundred twenty million dollars, 12:45.064 --> 12:46.766 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and then you look at previous statewide races, 12:46.866 --> 12:48.534 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% you know, most notably the Governor's race with 12:48.634 --> 12:50.503 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% James Smith, and that was of a shorter margin. 12:50.603 --> 12:52.271 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Obviously, that wasn't in a presidential election year, 12:52.371 --> 12:54.073 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% so things do change. But what can the 12:54.173 --> 12:57.176 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Democrats take away from this this race? 12:57.276 --> 13:01.981 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% You know, when I talked to Jamie on Tuesday morning as 13:02.081 --> 13:04.650 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% he was going around to polling locations around Columbia, 13:04.750 --> 13:06.418 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% of course he didn't think at that point 13:06.519 --> 13:07.987 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% he was gonna lose by double digits, 13:08.087 --> 13:10.389 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% I think he was beginning to suspect that it was not 13:10.489 --> 13:13.092 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% quite gonna go his way that day, and so he was 13:13.192 --> 13:15.261 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% starting to to lay out the narrative, 13:15.361 --> 13:18.364 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% the case that he had helped build South Carolina 13:18.464 --> 13:21.133 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Democratic politics for the future, 13:21.233 --> 13:25.237 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and his case for that was, you know, the party infrastructure 13:25.337 --> 13:28.374 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% is stronger than it has been in an extremely long time. 13:28.474 --> 13:31.177 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% There is a whole new generation of campaign operatives 13:31.277 --> 13:34.313 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% who have worked on his campaign that may stay in 13:34.413 --> 13:36.448 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% South Carolina and try to build the Democratic Party. 13:36.549 --> 13:41.387 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% They built a humongous national email fundraising list 13:41.487 --> 13:45.624 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% that it could benefit them for many many years to come. 13:45.724 --> 13:48.594 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% I mean, it rivals just about any presidential campaign 13:48.694 --> 13:51.497 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% outside of probably Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders, 13:51.597 --> 13:58.404 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and so those are all helpful. The flip side is that, 13:58.504 --> 14:00.739 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and I'm sorry to hear Democrats talking about this 14:00.840 --> 14:03.976 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% as we approached election day, kind of quietly their 14:04.076 --> 14:08.480 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% one big fear was that if he did lose, 14:08.581 --> 14:12.284 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and they really did not expect him to lose by this much, 14:12.384 --> 14:17.223 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% was that going to dissuade national organizations, 14:17.323 --> 14:20.993 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% national donors, Democrats around the country 14:21.093 --> 14:23.762 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% from investing in South Carolina in the future? 14:23.863 --> 14:27.066 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Because if a hundred thirty million plus can't do it, 14:27.166 --> 14:30.336 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% you know, what can? And, you know, 14:30.436 --> 14:32.605 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% the answer to that in Drew McKissick's mind, 14:32.705 --> 14:34.940 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% the mind of the South Carolina Democratic Party Chairman, 14:35.040 --> 14:37.710 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% is there is no amount of money that can turn 14:37.810 --> 14:42.181 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% South Carolina blue. It is just too fundamentally 14:42.281 --> 14:46.752 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% conservative and in some ways, by bringing all the 14:46.852 --> 14:51.023 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% attention that he did, he reminded Republican 14:51.123 --> 14:55.027 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% voters that they can't get complacent, 14:55.127 --> 14:57.730 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and they all showed up in huge numbers on Tuesday. 14:57.830 --> 15:00.466 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% I would, you know, I would just finally say that one thing 15:00.566 --> 15:02.735 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% that the Democrats have done well is recruiting 15:02.835 --> 15:05.337 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% these candidates with really inspiring life stories. 15:05.437 --> 15:08.707 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Jamie Harrison, James Smith as you mentioned, you know, 15:08.807 --> 15:13.379 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% these are as good of candidate recruits as you could hope for 15:13.479 --> 15:16.949 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% in South Carolina Democrats, because what they're trying 15:17.049 --> 15:19.318 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% to do is make this more about character, 15:19.418 --> 15:22.388 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% make this more about personalities, and less 15:22.488 --> 15:25.391 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% about some of these more divisive policies, 15:25.491 --> 15:28.494 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% because again, they know as well as we do that there are 15:28.594 --> 15:30.329 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% so many conservative voters in South Carolina. 15:30.429 --> 15:33.632 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% The problem is every single time we get in the last month, 15:33.732 --> 15:36.402 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% last two months of the election, the Republican candidates are 15:36.502 --> 15:40.205 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% really good at reminding voters about the policy consequences 15:40.306 --> 15:42.641 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% of these elections, and Lindsey Graham kept hammering 15:42.741 --> 15:45.377 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% on the fact that this is not a personality contest. 15:45.477 --> 15:50.349 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% You may not like me as a guy. I hope you do, but if you don't, 15:50.449 --> 15:54.086 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% don't forget about control of the Senate and 15:54.186 --> 15:55.888 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% conservative judges and conservative policies, 15:55.988 --> 15:58.991 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and that drives voters to the polls at the end of the day. 15:59.091 --> 16:01.427 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Yeah, up and down the ballot we saw that, for sure. 16:01.527 --> 16:03.462 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Before we get to the First Congressional District race, 16:03.562 --> 16:05.230 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% obviously a huge one to talk about, Meg, 16:05.331 --> 16:07.466 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% I want to wrap up here and talk about the money 16:07.566 --> 16:09.702 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% in the in the Senate race. You know, we were talking 16:09.802 --> 16:11.170 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% we've been talking about Jamie Harrison raising 16:11.270 --> 16:12.471 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% a hundred thirty plus million dollars, 16:12.571 --> 16:14.840 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% the Graham campaign, you know, getting up there with about 16:14.940 --> 16:18.110 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% a hundred million dollars plus. Do you think that that money 16:18.210 --> 16:19.812 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% turned people off? You heard Lindsey Graham 16:19.912 --> 16:22.214 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% in his victory speech say this was the worst return 16:22.314 --> 16:25.084 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% on investment in American politics. 16:25.184 --> 16:27.152 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% We're referencing the Harrison campaign, 16:27.252 --> 16:28.921 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and we're looking at, you know, still again, 16:29.021 --> 16:31.256 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% double digit loss here. You know, did that 16:31.357 --> 16:33.025 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% turn people off? When we see the advertising, 16:33.125 --> 16:34.760 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% did it just not work? I mean, obviously 16:34.860 --> 16:36.462 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% dollar bills don't vote in South Carolina. 16:36.562 --> 16:37.930 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% We're fundamentally Republican here. 16:38.030 --> 16:41.166 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% It didn't really change much. What did it do? 16:41.266 --> 16:42.735 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Well, it certainly allowed the candidates 16:42.835 --> 16:43.969 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% to get their messages out there, 16:44.069 --> 16:46.171 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% but as you know with the ads, that kind of led 16:46.271 --> 16:48.240 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% to a saturation point, and so I think people 16:48.340 --> 16:52.211 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% on both sides of this race had gotten to the place 16:52.311 --> 16:53.846 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% where they were sick of hearing about it. 16:53.946 --> 16:56.115 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% I jokingly referenced my nine year old 16:56.215 --> 16:58.183 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% because she saw the ads on youtube, but I mean, 16:58.283 --> 17:01.086 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% that's just one example of how ever present 17:01.186 --> 17:03.922 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% some of this advertising was. There were also critics, 17:04.023 --> 17:07.760 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% of course, who look at this race all told on all sides including 17:07.860 --> 17:09.995 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% the third party groups in the year 17:10.095 --> 17:12.264 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% two hundred fifty million dollar range and saying 17:12.364 --> 17:15.000 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% "Wow, what else could we be doing with that money? 17:15.100 --> 17:17.636 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Why is this necessary?" And when I was talking 17:17.736 --> 17:20.039 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% with Drew McKissick yesterday about all the money 17:20.139 --> 17:22.141 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% in this race, he made a good point. 17:22.241 --> 17:24.643 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% Because of the nationalization of this 17:24.743 --> 17:26.945 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% contest and all of the national money that the 17:27.046 --> 17:29.214 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Harrison campaign was able to tap into, 17:29.314 --> 17:32.351 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% that actually ended up strengthening Republicans here, 17:32.451 --> 17:35.320 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% not just because they developed a pathway so they could also 17:35.421 --> 17:39.258 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% start raising that much money, but just infrastructurally. 17:39.358 --> 17:41.727 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% It also forced them to, as he described it, 17:41.827 --> 17:45.864 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% basically fortify themselves for when things like this happen. 17:45.964 --> 17:48.634 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% So in terms of the Senate race, any other Senate race 17:48.734 --> 17:51.070 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% that comes up, or other races that will be 17:51.170 --> 17:54.273 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% -it's just painful to think about- two years from now 17:54.373 --> 17:55.507 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% we'll be doing the governor's race and all 17:55.607 --> 17:58.410 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% the congressional races again. They're ready, and he says 17:58.510 --> 18:00.979 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% that they're going to have an even stronger statewide 18:01.080 --> 18:04.283 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% apparatus on a grassroots level, on a fundraising level 18:04.383 --> 18:07.052 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% on the staffing level, to be prepared for whatever 18:07.152 --> 18:10.189 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Democrats try to bring. So the money for Democrats 18:10.289 --> 18:11.890 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% had helped them during the campaign, 18:11.990 --> 18:13.792 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% but it might hurt them in future ones. 18:13.892 --> 18:15.694 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Yeah, that was something I was gonna actually try 18:15.794 --> 18:17.830 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and tie in there, Jamie. We look at 2022 18:17.930 --> 18:19.398 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% with the Governor's race, Tim Scott's race. 18:19.498 --> 18:22.601 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% These are not gonna be anywhere near similar, I wouldn't think, 18:22.701 --> 18:24.236 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% to what we saw this year, obviously, also 18:24.336 --> 18:26.672 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% because it's a mid-term, but still, you know, Tim Scott 18:26.772 --> 18:28.574 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% is not the figure that Lindsey Graham was, 18:28.674 --> 18:31.910 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% not this motivating figure nationally, 18:32.010 --> 18:33.812 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% though he does have a lot of name ID. 18:33.912 --> 18:35.414 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% It's a completely different situation there. 18:35.514 --> 18:37.816 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% What's 2022 gonna look like, briefly? 18:37.916 --> 18:40.018 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Yeah, I would certainly imagine that the top target 18:40.119 --> 18:43.188 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% for Democrats in 2022 is going to be Governor McMaster 18:43.288 --> 18:47.226 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% or frankly, we'll get into this later, probably not today, 18:47.326 --> 18:49.862 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% but whoever the Republican nominee is for governor, 18:49.962 --> 18:52.431 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% because I am quite confident there will be a contested 18:52.531 --> 18:54.833 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% primary on that side, I think that would be 18:54.933 --> 18:56.568 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% their top target for a number of reasons. 18:56.668 --> 19:00.439 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% You know, Tim Scott is by far the most popular politician 19:00.539 --> 19:02.674 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% in South Carolina, at least the most popular 19:02.774 --> 19:05.911 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% current sitting politician in South Carolina, 19:06.011 --> 19:12.384 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and so he is very hard to touch for Democrats at this point. 19:12.484 --> 19:14.353 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% I'm sure they will have someone running against him 19:14.453 --> 19:15.787 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and will definitely not be unchallenged, 19:15.888 --> 19:18.157 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% but that one's gonna be extremely difficult. 19:18.257 --> 19:21.126 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Um, you know, when it comes to governors' races, 19:21.226 --> 19:25.063 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% North Carolina Democrats have been very very effective 19:25.164 --> 19:28.700 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% at winning governors' races 19:28.800 --> 19:33.071 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% even when the state on federal level goes red. 19:33.172 --> 19:38.210 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% And, you know, the way they do that is to try to talk 19:38.310 --> 19:43.348 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% more about these state level issues, governing competency, 19:43.448 --> 19:48.187 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% less polarizing partisan issues that are able to convince 19:48.287 --> 19:51.990 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% a lot of moderate Republicans to come over and vote 19:52.090 --> 19:54.793 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% for a Democrat for governor, and we just saw, 19:54.893 --> 19:56.995 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% you know it looks like North Carolina is probably gonna 19:57.095 --> 19:59.398 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% go red in the presidential race. We just saw the Democratic 19:59.498 --> 20:02.234 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% governor easily win in North Carolina. 20:02.334 --> 20:05.804 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% That's a formula that Democrats in South Carolina have 20:05.904 --> 20:10.809 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% long been hoping they could channel and bring down here, um, 20:10.909 --> 20:13.011 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and we'll see if they can have some more success 20:13.111 --> 20:17.849 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% with that in in 2022, but you're right. 20:17.950 --> 20:20.252 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% There will never be, you know, there's probably not gonna be 20:20.352 --> 20:23.989 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% this much money here in any foreseeable race in the future, 20:24.089 --> 20:28.393 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and you know, that may not be the worst thing in the world 20:28.493 --> 20:32.998 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% for Democrats, that once they seemed to acknowledge yesterday 20:33.098 --> 20:34.533 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and what Republicans certainly said was there 20:34.633 --> 20:36.835 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% was a lot of diminishing returns on the spending. 20:36.935 --> 20:39.404 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% You know, once you get up with the first several hundred ads 20:39.504 --> 20:40.906 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% people kind of tune them all out, 20:41.006 --> 20:43.175 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and when you look down ballot, you know, 20:43.275 --> 20:45.877 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% when you have the airwaves filled with ads 20:45.978 --> 20:48.647 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% about the Senate election, about the presidential election, 20:48.747 --> 20:52.718 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% that makes it much more difficult for, you know, 20:52.818 --> 20:55.220 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% candidates down ballot races to distinguish themselves 20:55.320 --> 20:57.656 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% on top of the ticket, so it may be for the best, 20:57.756 --> 20:59.992 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% for the better for Democrats in the long run. 21:00.092 --> 21:02.127 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% And I apologize, we only have about five minutes left 21:02.227 --> 21:04.496 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and I know we're talking about things that aren't even 21:04.596 --> 21:06.932 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% happening right now, but Meg, I want to talk about SC01. 21:07.032 --> 21:09.668 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Um, we saw it flip back red after forty years, you know, 21:09.768 --> 21:11.737 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% it flipped blue in 2018 with Joe Cunningham. 21:11.837 --> 21:14.106 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Nancy Mace flipped that seat back there. 21:14.206 --> 21:15.741 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% Kind of tell us what happened there 21:15.841 --> 21:18.176 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and how she was able to do that. 21:18.277 --> 21:20.912 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Sure, I think that one of the biggest things that helped 21:21.013 --> 21:23.448 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Nancy Mace in this district was the fact that this is 21:23.548 --> 21:26.385 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% a presidential election year. 2018 was not when that district 21:26.485 --> 21:30.055 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% flipped back to blue control, and so this year there were 21:30.155 --> 21:33.425 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% a lot of voters coming out to support President Trump 21:33.525 --> 21:36.828 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and Nancy reminded folks not as often as you might think, 21:36.928 --> 21:39.464 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% but she did point out that she was supported 21:39.564 --> 21:42.067 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% by President Trump, she had worked on his campaign, 21:42.167 --> 21:43.602 align:left position:0%,start line:93.33% size:100% and people coming out to vote 21:43.702 --> 21:47.673 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% for president were voting for her as the Republican nominee 21:47.773 --> 21:49.608 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% in the First District. She also has a 21:49.708 --> 21:51.877 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% pretty fascinating biography as we've talked about 21:51.977 --> 21:54.212 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% with Jamie Harrison as well. The first woman to graduate 21:54.313 --> 21:55.981 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% from The Citadel, she often talked about 21:56.081 --> 21:57.349 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% the Waffle House where she worked 21:57.449 --> 21:58.950 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% when she dropped out of high school. 21:59.051 --> 22:00.619 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% We were there yesterday in the parking lot 22:00.719 --> 22:02.921 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% as she was kind of wrapping up her campaign there, 22:03.021 --> 22:04.823 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% so a lot of things working in her favor, 22:04.923 --> 22:07.125 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% a good story and also a good candidacy in terms of, 22:07.225 --> 22:09.528 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% in Republicans eyes, being somebody that 22:09.628 --> 22:11.029 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% the President could be counting on, 22:11.129 --> 22:13.131 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% if he is still the President, when the next Congress 22:13.231 --> 22:14.433 align:left position:25%,start line:93.33% size:75% is sworn in. 22:14.533 --> 22:16.735 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% And Jamie, that was part of, again, part of this big sweep 22:16.835 --> 22:18.370 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% by Republicans. Talking about SC01, 22:18.470 --> 22:20.772 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% that was something they had been targeting since, you know, 22:20.872 --> 22:22.507 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% day one in 2018 after Election Day. 22:22.607 --> 22:25.043 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Weigh in on that for me too, and also maybe lead into 22:25.143 --> 22:28.046 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% a little bit more what we saw at the State House. 22:28.146 --> 22:31.750 align:left position:0%,start line:0% size:100% Yeah, well in terms of the the Lowcountry, you know, 22:31.850 --> 22:35.454 align:left position:12.5%,start line:0% size:87.5% Charleston continues this this this leftward trend. 22:35.554 --> 22:38.590 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% It is really a pretty blue county at this point, 22:38.690 --> 22:42.728 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% but as as Chairman McKissick said on the Republican side, 22:42.828 --> 22:45.464 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% you know, they don't necessarily need Charleston to win 22:45.564 --> 22:48.333 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% that district because of just how red some of the 22:48.433 --> 22:50.769 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% surrounding areas are in Beaufort and other parts 22:50.869 --> 22:53.171 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% of the district, and we saw this huge turn out 22:53.271 --> 22:55.540 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% in those redder parts of the district. 22:55.640 --> 23:01.413 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% You know, in some ways it snuck up on them in 2018 23:01.513 --> 23:03.415 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and there was no way that that was going 23:03.515 --> 23:05.283 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% to happen this time. All of their voters were 23:05.384 --> 23:08.820 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% highly plugged into this, to this race, both at the 23:08.920 --> 23:10.889 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% presidential level and a congressional level, 23:10.989 --> 23:12.991 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% and so they turned out and they were able to 23:13.091 --> 23:15.894 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% make sure that Charleston was not able to basically decide 23:15.994 --> 23:19.030 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% the outcome of the election. But as we look, you know, 23:19.131 --> 23:22.234 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% elsewhere around the state, it's frankly much bleaker 23:22.334 --> 23:26.171 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% for Democrats, you know. There are gains 23:26.271 --> 23:30.509 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% that Republicans are making in places like Horry County, 23:30.609 --> 23:38.150 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% in places like York County, and even in 23:38.250 --> 23:41.420 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% parts of the Lowcountry, the Pee Dee in general. 23:41.520 --> 23:46.224 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% So, you know, they had a number of of state Senate 23:46.324 --> 23:48.760 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% districts they were hoping to flip in the Lowcountry. 23:48.860 --> 23:50.996 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% They were not able to do it for a single one. 23:51.096 --> 23:55.667 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Meanwhile, they lost two Upstate state Senators, 23:55.767 --> 23:59.070 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Floyd Nicholson of Greenwood and Glenn Reese of Spartanburg, 23:59.171 --> 24:02.507 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and perhaps most significantly of all, 24:02.607 --> 24:06.578 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Vincent Sheheen of Camden, the 2010 and 2014 24:06.678 --> 24:08.513 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% gubernatorial nominee, you know, one of the most esteemed 24:08.613 --> 24:12.417 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% democratic legislators in the State House. 24:12.517 --> 24:15.287 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% But the big picture that's beyond the individuals is 24:15.387 --> 24:19.624 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Republicans are gonna enter redistricting with a stronger, 24:19.724 --> 24:22.861 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% in the strongest position they've been in modern history, 24:22.961 --> 24:27.265 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and that is going to put them in an incredibly advantageous 24:27.365 --> 24:30.335 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% position to draw these districts in a way that is going to 24:30.435 --> 24:34.039 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% ensure their control, their dominance 24:34.139 --> 24:37.709 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% of South Carolina politics for the next decade. 24:37.809 --> 24:39.644 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% You know, Trav Robertson, the South Carolina 24:39.744 --> 24:42.380 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Democratic Party Chairman, acknowledged yesterday, 24:42.481 --> 24:45.750 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% this kind of red wave that we saw this year 24:45.851 --> 24:48.954 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% could not have come at a less opportune time for them, 24:49.054 --> 24:51.523 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and it's gonna make it frankly very difficult for them 24:51.623 --> 24:54.326 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% to make the state more competitive in the years ahead. 24:54.426 --> 24:56.294 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Meg, just to piggy back on that with thirty seconds, 24:56.394 --> 24:58.330 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% kind of give me your final thoughts on Election 2020, 24:58.430 --> 25:00.966 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% what Jamie was talking on the uphill battle now for Democrats, 25:01.066 --> 25:04.336 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% even more so than it has been before. 25:04.436 --> 25:06.705 align:left position:12.5%,start line:0% size:87.5% Sure, the one thing the Democrats have said very quietly 25:06.805 --> 25:09.574 align:left position:0%,start line:0% size:100% before is that they really needed to have money to compete. 25:09.674 --> 25:12.110 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Well, they did this time and it obviously didn't turn out. 25:12.210 --> 25:14.846 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Jamie Harrison's campaign was able to pass along some of its 25:14.946 --> 25:17.849 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% money to the state party into other down ticket candidates, 25:17.949 --> 25:20.085 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% so that hopefully in their eyes will set up a better 25:20.185 --> 25:23.121 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% infrastructure moving forward. Obviously we'll need to see 25:23.221 --> 25:25.790 align:left position:25%,start line:86.67% size:75% what happens but that's their game plan. 25:25.891 --> 25:28.460 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% A lot happened. A lot still being counted, but again, 25:28.560 --> 25:30.328 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% so much to look forward to, especially in these 25:30.428 --> 25:33.064 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% upcoming election cycles that we'll be watching, 25:33.164 --> 25:34.633 align:left position:0%,start line:93.33% size:100% that you'll be watching too. 25:34.733 --> 25:35.967 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Meg Kinnard with the Associated Press. 25:36.067 --> 25:37.869 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% Jamie Lovegrove with The Post and Courier. 25:37.969 --> 25:43.608 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% Thank you again for joining me and so long campaign trail 2020. 25:43.708 --> 25:44.943 align:left position:12.5%,start line:93.33% size:87.5% Until the next one. 25:45.043 --> 25:47.279 align:left position:25%,start line:93.33% size:75% Yeah. [laughing] 25:47.379 --> 25:49.347 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% To stay up to date with the latest news, 25:49.447 --> 25:51.616 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% check out the South Carolina Lead. It's a podcast I host 25:51.716 --> 25:53.385 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% and we drop multiple times a week. 25:53.485 --> 25:54.986 align:left position:12.5%,start line:86.67% size:87.5% You can find it anywhere you find podcasts, 25:55.086 --> 25:57.889 align:left position:37.5%,start line:86.67% size:62.5% including SouthCarolinaPublicRadio.org 25:57.989 --> 26:00.091 align:left position:0%,start line:86.67% size:100% For SCETV I'm Gavin Jackson. Be well South Carolina.