WEBVTT 00:00.100 --> 01:14.937 align:start GWEN: CRISES ON EVERY FRONT FROM UKRAINE TO ISRAEL, FROM GAZA TO 01:14.939 --> 01:17.769 align:start UKRAINE TO ISRAEL, FROM GAZA TO THE AMERICAN BORDER. 01:17.771 --> 01:19.741 align:start THE AMERICAN BORDER. MULTIPLE DILEMMAS. 01:19.743 --> 01:20.760 align:start MULTIPLE DILEMMAS. NO SOLUTION IN SIGHT. 01:20.762 --> 01:25.501 align:start NO SOLUTION IN SIGHT. WE TACKLE THEM ALL ON 01:25.503 --> 01:26.456 align:start WE TACKLE THEM ALL ON "WASHINGTON WEEK"." 01:26.457 --> 01:27.442 align:start "WASHINGTON WEEK"." TONIGHT A CEASE-FIRE PLAN. 01:27.444 --> 01:28.619 align:start TONIGHT A CEASE-FIRE PLAN. BUT CAN IT STOPHIS T-- 01:28.621 --> 01:31.101 align:start BUT CAN IT STOPHIS T-- >> WE HAVE TO RYE TO DO OUR BEST 01:31.103 --> 01:33.264 align:start >> WE HAVE TO RYE TO DO OUR BEST TO MINIMIZE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES 01:33.266 --> 01:35.206 align:start TO MINIMIZE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES BUT WE CANNOT GIVE OUR ATTACKERS 01:35.208 --> 01:36.923 align:start BUT WE CANNOT GIVE OUR ATTACKERS IMMUNITY OR IMPUNITY. 01:36.925 --> 01:39.120 align:start IMMUNITY OR IMPUNITY. >> WHAT HAPPENS IN GAZA DURING 01:39.122 --> 01:40.965 align:start >> WHAT HAPPENS IN GAZA DURING THE LAST 10 DAYS IS NOTHING BUT 01:40.967 --> 01:43.574 align:start THE LAST 10 DAYS IS NOTHING BUT A MASSACRE. 01:43.576 --> 01:47.456 align:start A MASSACRE. GWEN: IN THE MALAYSIA SHOOTDOWN, 01:47.458 --> 01:49.270 align:start GWEN: IN THE MALAYSIA SHOOTDOWN, THERE'S PLANETTY OF BLAINL TO GO 01:49.272 --> 01:50.225 align:start THERE'S PLANETTY OF BLAINL TO GO AROUND. 01:50.226 --> 01:54.138 align:start AROUND. >> RUSSIA WILL ONLY ISOLATE 01:54.140 --> 01:56.365 align:start >> RUSSIA WILL ONLY ISOLATE ITSELF FROM THE INTERNATIONAL 01:56.367 --> 01:56.938 align:start ITSELF FROM THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. 01:56.940 --> 01:59.293 align:start COMMUNITY. >> PUTIN MAY ACTUALLY LIGHT A 01:59.294 --> 02:01.806 align:start >> PUTIN MAY ACTUALLY LIGHT A FIRE THAT HE LOSES CONTROL OF. 02:01.808 --> 02:02.792 align:start FIRE THAT HE LOSES CONTROL OF. GWEN: BUT NO CLAIM OF 02:02.794 --> 02:03.684 align:start GWEN: BUT NO CLAIM OF RESPONSIBILITY. 02:03.686 --> 02:05.529 align:start RESPONSIBILITY. WHILE AT HOME THE MIGRANT CRISIS 02:05.531 --> 02:07.598 align:start WHILE AT HOME THE MIGRANT CRISIS AT THE BORDER CONTINUES TO 02:07.600 --> 02:08.520 align:start AT THE BORDER CONTINUES TO BUILD. 02:08.522 --> 02:09.571 align:start BUILD. WHAT IS CONGRESS OR THE 02:09.573 --> 02:12.338 align:start WHAT IS CONGRESS OR THE WASHINGTON PREPARED TO DO? 02:12.340 --> 02:15.202 align:start WASHINGTON PREPARED TO DO? COVERING THE WEEK PETER BAKER OF 02:15.204 --> 02:16.093 align:start COVERING THE WEEK PETER BAKER OF "NEW YORK TIMES." 02:16.095 --> 02:22.266 align:start "NEW YORK TIMES." "LOS MCMANUS OF THE 02:22.268 --> 02:22.712 align:start "LOS MCMANUS OF THE ANGELES TIMES." 02:22.714 --> 02:24.748 align:start ANGELES TIMES." NANCIES YOU RECEIVE OF 02:24.749 --> 02:26.657 align:start NANCIES YOU RECEIVE OF "MCCLATCHY NEWSPAPERS." 02:26.659 --> 02:27.834 align:start "MCCLATCHY NEWSPAPERS." AND ED O'KEEFE OF "THE 02:27.836 --> 02:29.489 align:start AND ED O'KEEFE OF "THE WASHINGTON POST." 02:29.491 --> 02:31.430 align:start WASHINGTON POST." >> COVERING HISTORY AS IT 02:31.432 --> 02:35.407 align:start >> COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS, LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S 02:35.409 --> 02:39.321 align:start HAPPENS, LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON 02:39.323 --> 02:42.981 align:start CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH GWEN IFILL." 02:42.981 --> 02:44.124 align:start MODERATOR GWEN IFILL. GWEN: GOOD EVENING. 02:44.125 --> 02:46.193 align:start GWEN: GOOD EVENING. IF IT WERE ONLY JUST ONE 02:46.195 --> 02:46.509 align:start IF IT WERE ONLY JUST ONE PROBLEM. 02:46.512 --> 02:47.752 align:start PROBLEM. THINK ABOUT IT. 02:47.754 --> 02:49.597 align:start THINK ABOUT IT. WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST, BLOOD IN 02:49.599 --> 02:53.384 align:start WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST, BLOOD IN THE SUN FLOWER FIELDS OF UKRAINE 02:53.386 --> 02:55.388 align:start THE SUN FLOWER FIELDS OF UKRAINE AS CONFLICTS ESCALATES. 02:55.390 --> 02:57.552 align:start AS CONFLICTS ESCALATES. POLITICAL UNCERTAINTY IN IRAN 02:57.554 --> 02:57.997 align:start POLITICAL UNCERTAINTY IN IRAN AND AFGHANISTAN. 02:57.999 --> 03:00.288 align:start AND AFGHANISTAN. AND ANOTHER VIOLENT WEEK IN 03:00.290 --> 03:01.083 align:start AND ANOTHER VIOLENT WEEK IN SYRIA WITH NO RESOLUTIONS IN 03:01.085 --> 03:02.006 align:start SYRIA WITH NO RESOLUTIONS IN SIGHT. 03:02.008 --> 03:05.920 align:start SIGHT. THE CYCLE OF BLAME IS ENDLESS 03:05.922 --> 03:07.925 align:start THE CYCLE OF BLAME IS ENDLESS ESPECIALLY AS CASUALTIES ARE IN 03:07.927 --> 03:10.916 align:start ESPECIALLY AS CASUALTIES ARE IN MOTORCADES IN THE NETHERLANDS. 03:10.918 --> 03:12.729 align:start MOTORCADES IN THE NETHERLANDS. THE HOPE FOR SOLUTIONS IN THE 03:12.731 --> 03:14.734 align:start THE HOPE FOR SOLUTIONS IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS TAKING A DEEP 03:14.736 --> 03:15.052 align:start MIDDLE EAST IS TAKING A DEEP BREATH. 03:15.054 --> 03:16.547 align:start BREATH. >> THE ONLY SOLUTION IS AN 03:16.549 --> 03:17.598 align:start >> THE ONLY SOLUTION IS AN IMMEDIATE CEASE-FIRE. 03:17.600 --> 03:19.284 align:start IMMEDIATE CEASE-FIRE. THIS COULD NOT BE MORE URGENT OR 03:19.286 --> 03:21.289 align:start THIS COULD NOT BE MORE URGENT OR MORE IMPORTANT GIVEN THE 03:21.291 --> 03:22.084 align:start MORE IMPORTANT GIVEN THE DEVASTATING CONSEQUENCES OF THE 03:22.086 --> 03:24.152 align:start DEVASTATING CONSEQUENCES OF THE VIOLENCE FOR CIVILIAN 03:24.154 --> 03:24.534 align:start VIOLENCE FOR CIVILIAN POPULATIONS. 03:24.536 --> 03:26.889 align:start POPULATIONS. >> THIS WEEK'S DEVELOPMENTS HAVE 03:26.891 --> 03:28.798 align:start >> THIS WEEK'S DEVELOPMENTS HAVE CONSUMED LEADERS ON AT LEAST 03:28.800 --> 03:30.739 align:start CONSUMED LEADERS ON AT LEAST FOUR CONTINENTS BUT PERHAPS 03:30.741 --> 03:31.820 align:start FOUR CONTINENTS BUT PERHAPS NOWHERE AS INTENSELY AS RIGHT 03:31.822 --> 03:32.903 align:start NOWHERE AS INTENSELY AS RIGHT HERE IN WASHINGTON. 03:32.905 --> 03:35.543 align:start HERE IN WASHINGTON. NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR SUSAN 03:35.545 --> 03:37.357 align:start NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR SUSAN RICE TONIGHT ON "THE NEWS HOUR." 03:37.359 --> 03:40.253 align:start RICE TONIGHT ON "THE NEWS HOUR." >> IF THERE WAS A MAGIC WAND 03:40.255 --> 03:42.449 align:start >> IF THERE WAS A MAGIC WAND THAT ANYBODY COULD WAVE IN THE 03:42.451 --> 03:44.135 align:start THAT ANYBODY COULD WAVE IN THE WORLD, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT. 03:44.137 --> 03:46.139 align:start WORLD, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT. BUT THE UNITED STATES HAS 03:46.141 --> 03:47.444 align:start BUT THE UNITED STATES HAS REMAINED THE CRITICAL PLAYER IN 03:47.446 --> 03:48.971 align:start REMAINED THE CRITICAL PLAYER IN ALL OF THIS. 03:48.973 --> 03:50.117 align:start ALL OF THIS. GWEN: THERE BEING NO MAGIC WAND 03:50.119 --> 03:52.121 align:start GWEN: THERE BEING NO MAGIC WAND WHERE DOES THE CEASE-FIRE PLAN 03:52.123 --> 03:54.858 align:start WHERE DOES THE CEASE-FIRE PLAN AS WHATEVER THERE IS OF IT STAND 03:54.860 --> 03:55.685 align:start AS WHATEVER THERE IS OF IT STAND TONIGHT, NANCY? 03:55.687 --> 03:57.753 align:start TONIGHT, NANCY? >> WELL, AFTER A VERY VIOLENT 03:57.755 --> 04:01.381 align:start >> WELL, AFTER A VERY VIOLENT WEEK IN GAZA AFTER OFFENSIVE -- 04:01.383 --> 04:02.845 align:start WEEK IN GAZA AFTER OFFENSIVE -- GROUND OFFENSIVE BY ISRAEL THAT 04:02.847 --> 04:04.308 align:start GROUND OFFENSIVE BY ISRAEL THAT LED AND CONTRIBUTED TO A 04:04.310 --> 04:10.227 align:start LED AND CONTRIBUTED TO A UNTING DEATH TOLL WITH 800 04:10.229 --> 04:11.945 align:start UNTING DEATH TOLL WITH 800 PALESTINIANS, 38 ISRAELIS. 04:11.947 --> 04:14.809 align:start PALESTINIANS, 38 ISRAELIS. THERE REMAINS A CEASE-FIRE A 04:14.811 --> 04:20.695 align:start THERE REMAINS A CEASE-FIRE A 46 HOUR -- 12-HOUR ONE BY MA 04:20.697 --> 04:21.395 align:start 46 HOUR -- 12-HOUR ONE BY MA MASS AND ISRAEL. 04:21.397 --> 04:24.545 align:start MASS AND ISRAEL. IT CAME AFTER AN EXHAUSTIVE 04:24.547 --> 04:26.518 align:start IT CAME AFTER AN EXHAUSTIVE EFFORT WHICH BEGAN ON MONDAY 04:26.520 --> 04:28.204 align:start EFFORT WHICH BEGAN ON MONDAY WHICH BEGAN WITH HOPES OF A 04:28.206 --> 04:29.604 align:start WHICH BEGAN WITH HOPES OF A BROORDER CEASE-FIRE BY THE END 04:29.606 --> 04:30.241 align:start BROORDER CEASE-FIRE BY THE END OF THE WEEK. 04:30.243 --> 04:32.246 align:start OF THE WEEK. SEEMS ALL PARTIES ARE RELIEVED 04:32.248 --> 04:34.155 align:start SEEMS ALL PARTIES ARE RELIEVED TO BE ABLE TO GET TO ONE THAT 04:34.157 --> 04:36.859 align:start TO BE ABLE TO GET TO ONE THAT WILL LAST FOR A FEW HOURS 04:36.861 --> 04:38.705 align:start WILL LAST FOR A FEW HOURS BEGINNING AT 7:00 A.M. LOCAL 04:38.707 --> 04:40.646 align:start BEGINNING AT 7:00 A.M. LOCAL TIME, JUST A FEW HOURS FROM NOW. 04:40.648 --> 04:43.510 align:start TIME, JUST A FEW HOURS FROM NOW. GWEN: PETER, THERE'S A CERTAIN 04:43.512 --> 04:44.496 align:start GWEN: PETER, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRANCE GENT. 04:44.498 --> 04:46.564 align:start AMOUNT OF TRANCE GENT. PEOPLE THAT HAVE DUMPED THEIR 04:46.566 --> 04:48.536 align:start PEOPLE THAT HAVE DUMPED THEIR HEELS AND NOT DIGGING THEIR WAY 04:48.538 --> 04:48.791 align:start HEELS AND NOT DIGGING THEIR WAY OUT. 04:48.793 --> 04:50.383 align:start OUT. IN THE CASE OF ISRAEL AND GAZA, 04:50.385 --> 04:52.451 align:start IN THE CASE OF ISRAEL AND GAZA, IT IS ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF 04:52.453 --> 04:53.182 align:start IT IS ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF THESE TUNNELS. 04:53.184 --> 04:56.046 align:start THESE TUNNELS. THEY'RE CONSIDERED AN 04:56.048 --> 04:56.905 align:start THEY'RE CONSIDERED AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT BY ISRAEL AND 04:56.907 --> 04:57.955 align:start EXISTENTIAL THREAT BY ISRAEL AND THEY'RE CONSIDERED A WAY TO GET 04:57.957 --> 05:00.724 align:start THEY'RE CONSIDERED A WAY TO GET AROUND A PUNISHING BLOCKADE BY 05:00.726 --> 05:02.601 align:start AROUND A PUNISHING BLOCKADE BY THE PALESTINIANS IN GAZA. 05:02.603 --> 05:03.747 align:start THE PALESTINIANS IN GAZA. IS THERE A WAY THROUGH THAT? 05:03.749 --> 05:06.578 align:start IS THERE A WAY THROUGH THAT? >> WELL, THAT'S THE THING ABOUT 05:06.580 --> 05:09.537 align:start >> WELL, THAT'S THE THING ABOUT THE CEASE-FIRE THAT'S SO 05:09.539 --> 05:10.206 align:start THE CEASE-FIRE THAT'S SO DISCOURAGING FOR ANYBODY WHO 05:10.207 --> 05:11.415 align:start DISCOURAGING FOR ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LONGER PEACE 05:11.417 --> 05:12.369 align:start WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LONGER PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST. 05:12.371 --> 05:15.074 align:start IN THE MIDDLE EAST. IT'S 12 HOURS. 05:15.076 --> 05:17.015 align:start IT'S 12 HOURS. IT'S NOT DEALING WITH ANY OF THE 05:17.017 --> 05:17.938 align:start IT'S NOT DEALING WITH ANY OF THE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES THAT ARE AT 05:17.939 --> 05:19.083 align:start FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES THAT ARE AT THE HEART OF THIS. 05:19.085 --> 05:20.006 align:start THE HEART OF THIS. THIS IS SIMPLY PUT DOWN YOUR 05:20.008 --> 05:21.215 align:start THIS IS SIMPLY PUT DOWN YOUR ARMS FOR A LITTLE BIT AND WE'LL 05:21.217 --> 05:22.838 align:start ARMS FOR A LITTLE BIT AND WE'LL SEE THEN IF WE CAN SIT DOWN AND 05:22.840 --> 05:24.620 align:start SEE THEN IF WE CAN SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THE BIGGER ISSUES. 05:24.621 --> 05:26.497 align:start TALK ABOUT THE BIGGER ISSUES. IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE WHAT YOU 05:26.499 --> 05:27.674 align:start IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE WHAT YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH IN 12 HOURS 05:27.676 --> 05:28.533 align:start CAN ACCOMPLISH IN 12 HOURS TOWARD THAT GOAL. 05:28.535 --> 05:31.747 align:start TOWARD THAT GOAL. THEY SEE THE WORLD WITH VERY 05:31.749 --> 05:32.479 align:start THEY SEE THE WORLD WITH VERY FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT EYES AND 05:32.481 --> 05:34.356 align:start FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT EYES AND EACH ONE IS ACTUALLY CONVINCED 05:34.358 --> 05:39.097 align:start EACH ONE IS ACTUALLY CONVINCED OF THEIR VICTIMHOOD AND THE NEED 05:39.099 --> 05:40.211 align:start OF THEIR VICTIMHOOD AND THE NEED TO CONTINUE ON THE COURSE THAT 05:40.213 --> 05:40.975 align:start TO CONTINUE ON THE COURSE THAT THEY'RE GOING. 05:40.977 --> 05:43.806 align:start THEY'RE GOING. IN THE PROCESS A LOT OF INNOCENT 05:43.808 --> 05:45.557 align:start IN THE PROCESS A LOT OF INNOCENT PEOPLE GET HURT. 05:45.559 --> 05:47.562 align:start PEOPLE GET HURT. GWEN: SO DOYLE, WHERE IS THE 05:47.564 --> 05:49.376 align:start GWEN: SO DOYLE, WHERE IS THE U.S. IN ALL OF THIS, NOT ONLY IN 05:49.377 --> 05:51.571 align:start U.S. IN ALL OF THIS, NOT ONLY IN GAZA BUT IN UKRAINE AND RUSSIA 05:51.573 --> 05:53.416 align:start GAZA BUT IN UKRAINE AND RUSSIA AND ALL THE OTHER PLACES? 05:53.418 --> 05:55.580 align:start AND ALL THE OTHER PLACES? THE U.S. IS ALWAYS CENTRAL FOR 05:55.582 --> 05:56.662 align:start THE U.S. IS ALWAYS CENTRAL FOR THE BREAKTHROUGH BUT OFTEN ON 05:56.664 --> 05:58.062 align:start THE BREAKTHROUGH BUT OFTEN ON THE LOSING END OF ANY EFFORT. 05:58.064 --> 06:02.007 align:start THE LOSING END OF ANY EFFORT. >> THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE 06:02.009 --> 06:02.357 align:start >> THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW. 06:02.359 --> 06:05.826 align:start RIGHT NOW. SUSAN RICE WAS RIGHT WHEN SHE 06:05.827 --> 06:07.735 align:start SUSAN RICE WAS RIGHT WHEN SHE SAID THE UNITED STATES IS STILL 06:07.737 --> 06:08.975 align:start SAID THE UNITED STATES IS STILL THE INDISPENSABLE POWER. 06:08.977 --> 06:10.758 align:start THE INDISPENSABLE POWER. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE 06:10.760 --> 06:12.731 align:start BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE BITS OF CHAOS IS THE DIFFICULT 06:12.733 --> 06:16.262 align:start BITS OF CHAOS IS THE DIFFICULT THE UNITED STATES HAS IN MAKING 06:16.264 --> 06:17.121 align:start THE UNITED STATES HAS IN MAKING ANY HEADWAY. 06:17.123 --> 06:20.113 align:start ANY HEADWAY. SO YES, JOHN KERRY WAS OUT THERE 06:20.115 --> 06:21.958 align:start SO YES, JOHN KERRY WAS OUT THERE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A 06:21.960 --> 06:23.836 align:start TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A ONE-WEEK CEASE-FIRE. 06:23.837 --> 06:25.808 align:start ONE-WEEK CEASE-FIRE. REMARKABLY ENOUGH BOTH ISRAEL 06:25.810 --> 06:26.954 align:start REMARKABLY ENOUGH BOTH ISRAEL AND HAMAS TOLD THEM NO DICE. 06:26.956 --> 06:28.671 align:start AND HAMAS TOLD THEM NO DICE. THE UNITED STATES HAS BEEN 06:28.673 --> 06:31.758 align:start THE UNITED STATES HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET VLADIMIR PUTIN TO 06:31.760 --> 06:32.299 align:start TRYING TO GET VLADIMIR PUTIN TO BACK OFF THE UKRAINE. 06:32.301 --> 06:34.717 align:start BACK OFF THE UKRAINE. START WITH THE VERY BASIC ISSUE 06:34.719 --> 06:36.372 align:start START WITH THE VERY BASIC ISSUE OF REDUCING THE NUMBER OF 06:36.374 --> 06:39.204 align:start OF REDUCING THE NUMBER OF RUSSIAN TROOPS ON UKRAINE'S 06:39.206 --> 06:40.159 align:start RUSSIAN TROOPS ON UKRAINE'S BORDER. 06:40.161 --> 06:45.154 align:start BORDER. INSTEAD PUTIN IS ESCALATING HIS 06:45.156 --> 06:45.536 align:start INSTEAD PUTIN IS ESCALATING HIS INVOLVEMENT. 06:45.538 --> 06:47.795 align:start INVOLVEMENT. REPORTS ATTEND OF THE WEEK OF 06:47.797 --> 06:49.927 align:start REPORTS ATTEND OF THE WEEK OF RUSSIAN ARTILLERY FIRE ACROSS 06:49.929 --> 06:50.850 align:start RUSSIAN ARTILLERY FIRE ACROSS THE BORDER. 06:50.852 --> 06:52.631 align:start THE BORDER. THAT'S A DIRECT MILITARY 06:52.633 --> 06:53.554 align:start THAT'S A DIRECT MILITARY INTERVENTION. 06:53.556 --> 06:56.609 align:start INTERVENTION. SO THE SOBERING SIDE OF THAT 06:56.611 --> 06:59.664 align:start SO THE SOBERING SIDE OF THAT PICTURE IS THAT IN A WORLD WITH 06:59.666 --> 07:00.650 align:start PICTURE IS THAT IN A WORLD WITH LESS TO HOLD IT TOGETHER THAT 07:00.652 --> 07:02.305 align:start LESS TO HOLD IT TOGETHER THAT WAS THE CASE BEFORE THE, YOU 07:02.307 --> 07:04.595 align:start WAS THE CASE BEFORE THE, YOU KNOW, THE LEVERAGE THE UNITED 07:04.597 --> 07:06.250 align:start KNOW, THE LEVERAGE THE UNITED STATES HAS SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN 07:06.252 --> 07:07.968 align:start STATES HAS SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN WEAKENED AT WELL. 07:07.970 --> 07:09.813 align:start WEAKENED AT WELL. GWEN: YOU SAY IT'S REMARKABLE 07:09.815 --> 07:12.805 align:start GWEN: YOU SAY IT'S REMARKABLE THAT THE ISRAELIS AND HAMAS 07:12.807 --> 07:13.664 align:start THAT THE ISRAELIS AND HAMAS DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF THE 07:13.666 --> 07:14.841 align:start DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF THE CEASE-FIRE AGREEMENT. 07:14.842 --> 07:16.050 align:start CEASE-FIRE AGREEMENT. I MEAN, MIDDLE EAST BEEN 07:16.052 --> 07:16.783 align:start I MEAN, MIDDLE EAST BEEN TRAVELING THE WORLD FOR THE PAST 07:16.784 --> 07:17.769 align:start TRAVELING THE WORLD FOR THE PAST YEAR AND HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO 07:17.770 --> 07:18.628 align:start YEAR AND HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO RESOLVE ANYTHING. 07:18.629 --> 07:20.632 align:start RESOLVE ANYTHING. I'M CURIOUS FOR ALL THREE OF 07:20.634 --> 07:22.287 align:start I'M CURIOUS FOR ALL THREE OF THEM BASED ON WHO YOU TALK TO 07:22.289 --> 07:24.419 align:start THEM BASED ON WHO YOU TALK TO HERE IN WASHINGTON AND OVERSEAS. 07:24.421 --> 07:25.214 align:start HERE IN WASHINGTON AND OVERSEAS. DO PEOPLE THINK HE'S BEEN 07:25.216 --> 07:26.074 align:start DO PEOPLE THINK HE'S BEEN EFFECTIVE? 07:26.075 --> 07:28.046 align:start EFFECTIVE? >> I THINK YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM 07:28.049 --> 07:34.665 align:start >> I THINK YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM HE DID THE NERGY -- 07:34.667 --> 07:37.624 align:start HE DID THE NERGY -- SUNDAY SHOWS SAYING WE'VE GOT TO 07:37.626 --> 07:38.547 align:start SUNDAY SHOWS SAYING WE'VE GOT TO GET OVER THERE. 07:38.549 --> 07:40.456 align:start GET OVER THERE. SILLY THAT WE'RE NOT HERE. 07:40.458 --> 07:42.365 align:start SILLY THAT WE'RE NOT HERE. IT WAS SILLY THAT HE DIDN'T HEAR 07:42.367 --> 07:44.337 align:start IT WAS SILLY THAT HE DIDN'T HEAR HIS OWN DESCRIPTION OF 07:44.339 --> 07:45.484 align:start HIS OWN DESCRIPTION OF RESPONSIBILITY AS SECRETARY OF 07:45.486 --> 07:47.265 align:start RESPONSIBILITY AS SECRETARY OF STATE TO GET THERE. 07:47.267 --> 07:49.047 align:start STATE TO GET THERE. HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED SOME THINGS. 07:49.049 --> 07:50.002 align:start HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED SOME THINGS. AFGHANISTAN RIGHT NOW HE 07:50.004 --> 07:51.179 align:start AFGHANISTAN RIGHT NOW HE BROKERED A DEAL BETWEEN TWO 07:51.181 --> 07:52.769 align:start BROKERED A DEAL BETWEEN TWO CANDIDATES WHO BOTH BELIEVE THEY 07:52.771 --> 07:54.775 align:start CANDIDATES WHO BOTH BELIEVE THEY WON THE ELECTION THERE AND CAN 07:54.777 --> 07:56.811 align:start WON THE ELECTION THERE AND CAN EVOLVE INTO A MUCH MORE 07:56.813 --> 07:57.639 align:start EVOLVE INTO A MUCH MORE FRACTIOUS SITUATION. 07:57.640 --> 07:59.611 align:start FRACTIOUS SITUATION. HE BROKEERED A DEAL TO HAVE A 07:59.612 --> 08:01.424 align:start HE BROKEERED A DEAL TO HAVE A UNITY DEAL RIGHT NOW THAT'S 08:01.426 --> 08:02.411 align:start UNITY DEAL RIGHT NOW THAT'S HOLDING. 08:02.413 --> 08:04.543 align:start HOLDING. HE CAN CLAIM FOR THE DEAL FOR 08:04.545 --> 08:07.342 align:start HE CAN CLAIM FOR THE DEAL FOR SYRIA TO GIVE UP ITS CHEMICAL 08:07.344 --> 08:07.661 align:start SYRIA TO GIVE UP ITS CHEMICAL WEAPONS. 08:07.663 --> 08:09.443 align:start WEAPONS. BUT HE'S BEEN FRUSTRATED AGAIN 08:09.445 --> 08:10.398 align:start BUT HE'S BEEN FRUSTRATED AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND HE'S 08:10.400 --> 08:12.912 align:start AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND HE'S BEEN THROUGHOUT TRYING. 08:12.914 --> 08:15.998 align:start BEEN THROUGHOUT TRYING. >> THE ARABS AND THE ISRAELIS, 08:16.000 --> 08:17.939 align:start >> THE ARABS AND THE ISRAELIS, HOW DO THEEL CHALLENGES 08:17.941 --> 08:18.830 align:start HOW DO THEEL CHALLENGES THE UNITED STATES IS FACING IS 08:18.831 --> 08:20.516 align:start THE UNITED STATES IS FACING IS IT'S A WORLD IN THE CASE OF 08:20.518 --> 08:25.384 align:start IT'S A WORLD IN THE CASE OF LIBYA AND NIGERIA AND SYRIA AND 08:25.386 --> 08:26.371 align:start LIBYA AND NIGERIA AND SYRIA AND IRAQ, EXTREMIST GROUPS ARE IN 08:26.373 --> 08:29.171 align:start IRAQ, EXTREMIST GROUPS ARE IN SOME CASES BETTER ON AND BETTER 08:29.173 --> 08:31.175 align:start SOME CASES BETTER ON AND BETTER FUNDED THAN THE GOVERNMENT FORS 08:31.177 --> 08:32.258 align:start FUNDED THAN THE GOVERNMENT FORS THAT THEY ARE CONFRONTING. 08:32.260 --> 08:35.184 align:start THAT THEY ARE CONFRONTING. AND HOW YOU NEGOTIATE IN THIS 08:35.186 --> 08:35.853 align:start AND HOW YOU NEGOTIATE IN THIS RAPIDLY CHANGING ENVIRONMENT 08:35.855 --> 08:37.953 align:start RAPIDLY CHANGING ENVIRONMENT WHERE IT'S NOT STATE TO STATE 08:37.955 --> 08:40.307 align:start WHERE IT'S NOT STATE TO STATE ACTOR BUT ARMED POWERFUL 08:40.309 --> 08:41.644 align:start ACTOR BUT ARMED POWERFUL EXTREMIST GROUPS I THINK IS THE 08:41.646 --> 08:43.553 align:start EXTREMIST GROUPS I THINK IS THE CHALLENGE THAT SECRETARY KERRY 08:43.555 --> 08:45.494 align:start CHALLENGE THAT SECRETARY KERRY FACES THAT PAST SECRETARY OF 08:45.496 --> 08:46.735 align:start FACES THAT PAST SECRETARY OF STATES HAVE NOT FACED TO THIS 08:46.737 --> 08:48.358 align:start STATES HAVE NOT FACED TO THIS DEGREE AND THIS SCALE AND THIS 08:48.360 --> 08:50.267 align:start DEGREE AND THIS SCALE AND THIS MANY COUNTRIES BEFORE. 08:50.269 --> 08:51.445 align:start MANY COUNTRIES BEFORE. >> THE WAY WASHINGTON WORKS IS 08:51.447 --> 08:52.367 align:start >> THE WAY WASHINGTON WORKS IS THAT A SECRETARY OF STATE IS 08:52.369 --> 08:54.213 align:start THAT A SECRETARY OF STATE IS ONLY AS INFLUENCEABLE AS THE 08:54.215 --> 08:55.135 align:start ONLY AS INFLUENCEABLE AS THE AMOUNT OF BACKUP HE'S GETTING 08:55.137 --> 08:56.917 align:start AMOUNT OF BACKUP HE'S GETTING FROM THE WHITE HOUSE. 08:56.919 --> 08:59.113 align:start FROM THE WHITE HOUSE. YOU KNOW, IF HE'S GOT A 08:59.115 --> 09:00.131 align:start YOU KNOW, IF HE'S GOT A PRESIDENT WHO IS WILLING TO GET 09:00.133 --> 09:01.753 align:start PRESIDENT WHO IS WILLING TO GET ON THE PHONE AND WILLING TO PUT 09:01.755 --> 09:03.759 align:start ON THE PHONE AND WILLING TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE TABLE, THEN 09:03.761 --> 09:05.635 align:start SOMETHING ON THE TABLE, THEN EOPLE WILL BEND. 09:05.637 --> 09:08.532 align:start EOPLE WILL BEND. WELL, THERE'S AN INCONSISTENT 09:08.534 --> 09:08.849 align:start WELL, THERE'S AN INCONSISTENT PATTERN. 09:08.851 --> 09:12.286 align:start PATTERN. THERE'S SOME ISSUES WHERE THE 09:12.288 --> 09:14.100 align:start THERE'S SOME ISSUES WHERE THE WHITE HOUSE HAS SENT JOHN KERRY 09:14.102 --> 09:15.150 align:start WHITE HOUSE HAS SENT JOHN KERRY OUT. 09:15.152 --> 09:16.104 align:start OUT. HIS PEACE TALKS WITH THE 09:16.106 --> 09:18.013 align:start HIS PEACE TALKS WITH THE ISRAELIS AND WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL 09:18.015 --> 09:20.082 align:start ISRAELIS AND WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL A MODERATE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT. 09:20.084 --> 09:24.186 align:start A MODERATE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT. ON OTHER ISSUES, AFGHANISTAN, 09:24.188 --> 09:24.855 align:start ON OTHER ISSUES, AFGHANISTAN, UKRAINE, THE WHITE HOUSE DOES 09:24.857 --> 09:26.827 align:start UKRAINE, THE WHITE HOUSE DOES HAVE A LOT OF MODERATION. 09:26.829 --> 09:28.831 align:start HAVE A LOT OF MODERATION. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT UKRAINE AND 09:28.833 --> 09:30.423 align:start >> LET'S TALK ABOUT UKRAINE AND ALL THESE OTHER PLACES YOU'VE 09:30.425 --> 09:32.587 align:start ALL THESE OTHER PLACES YOU'VE NAMED, WHICH IS THERE ARE 09:32.589 --> 09:33.763 align:start NAMED, WHICH IS THERE ARE DOMESTIC CONCERNS DRIVING SOME 09:33.765 --> 09:36.532 align:start DOMESTIC CONCERNS DRIVING SOME OF THE INTRANSIGENTS. 09:36.534 --> 09:38.250 align:start OF THE INTRANSIGENTS. SO YOU HOPE THAT SOMEBODY ELSE 09:38.252 --> 09:39.969 align:start SO YOU HOPE THAT SOMEBODY ELSE WILL GIVE YOU A HAND. 09:39.971 --> 09:41.973 align:start WILL GIVE YOU A HAND. LET'S SAY THE EUROPEANS AND 09:41.975 --> 09:44.901 align:start LET'S SAY THE EUROPEANS AND THAT'S NOT HAPPENING EXACTLY. 09:44.903 --> 09:47.032 align:start THAT'S NOT HAPPENING EXACTLY. >> YOU WERE IN GERMANY NOT TOO 09:47.034 --> 09:47.605 align:start >> YOU WERE IN GERMANY NOT TOO LONG AGO. 09:47.607 --> 09:50.628 align:start LONG AGO. >> IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S 09:50.630 --> 09:54.351 align:start >> IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S BEGINNING ON IN UKRAINE, IF YOU 09:54.353 --> 09:55.814 align:start BEGINNING ON IN UKRAINE, IF YOU WANT SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA, THAT 09:55.816 --> 09:58.551 align:start WANT SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA, THAT MEANS IT'S GOT TO BE EUROPEAN 09:58.553 --> 09:58.901 align:start MEANS IT'S GOT TO BE EUROPEAN SANCTIONS. 09:58.903 --> 10:00.301 align:start SANCTIONS. OUR TRADE WITH RUSSIA IS JUST 10:00.303 --> 10:01.096 align:start OUR TRADE WITH RUSSIA IS JUST TOO SMALL. 10:01.098 --> 10:02.241 align:start TOO SMALL. HERE'S THE PROBLEM, A WHOLE SET 10:02.243 --> 10:03.928 align:start HERE'S THE PROBLEM, A WHOLE SET OF PROBLEMS. 10:03.930 --> 10:05.105 align:start OF PROBLEMS. EUROPE IS 28 COUNTRIES. 10:05.107 --> 10:06.792 align:start EUROPE IS 28 COUNTRIES. THEY WANT TO MOVE IN LOCK STEP. 10:06.794 --> 10:08.447 align:start THEY WANT TO MOVE IN LOCK STEP. THEY NEED A CONSENSUS TO DO 10:08.449 --> 10:08.765 align:start THEY NEED A CONSENSUS TO DO THAT. 10:08.767 --> 10:10.610 align:start THAT. THAT MEANS ANY BIG EUROPEAN 10:10.612 --> 10:12.615 align:start THAT MEANS ANY BIG EUROPEAN COUNTRY OR A FEW SMALL EUROPEAN 10:12.617 --> 10:13.793 align:start COUNTRY OR A FEW SMALL EUROPEAN COUNTRIES CAN SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT 10:13.795 --> 10:14.715 align:start COUNTRIES CAN SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THIS. 10:14.717 --> 10:17.388 align:start HAPPY WITH THIS. WE DON'T WANT TO GO WITH -- THE 10:17.390 --> 10:19.361 align:start WE DON'T WANT TO GO WITH -- THE EUROPEANS HAVE A TRIPLE CATCH 22 10:19.363 --> 10:20.888 align:start EUROPEANS HAVE A TRIPLE CATCH 22 IN THAT OK, WHICH SANCTIONS? 10:20.890 --> 10:23.211 align:start IN THAT OK, WHICH SANCTIONS? THE FRENCH ARE SELLING NAVY 10:23.213 --> 10:26.202 align:start THE FRENCH ARE SELLING NAVY SHIPS AND DEFENSE TECHNOLOGY TO 10:26.204 --> 10:26.520 align:start SHIPS AND DEFENSE TECHNOLOGY TO RUSSIA. 10:26.522 --> 10:27.920 align:start RUSSIA. THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE THAT UP. 10:27.922 --> 10:30.816 align:start THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE THAT UP. THE BRITISH HAVE MONEY COMING 10:30.818 --> 10:32.692 align:start THE BRITISH HAVE MONEY COMING AND IN THE REAL ESTATE, LOTS OF 10:32.694 --> 10:34.061 align:start AND IN THE REAL ESTATE, LOTS OF ALSSIANS BUYING FANCY RE 10:34.063 --> 10:35.589 align:start ALSSIANS BUYING FANCY RE ESTATE AND YOU WANT TO THINK OF 10:35.591 --> 10:37.720 align:start ESTATE AND YOU WANT TO THINK OF SOMETHING THAT'S POLITICALLY 10:37.722 --> 10:38.198 align:start SOMETHING THAT'S POLITICALLY SENSITIVE AT HOME. 10:38.200 --> 10:39.884 align:start SENSITIVE AT HOME. TALK ABOUT DEPRESSING THE REAL 10:39.886 --> 10:40.329 align:start TALK ABOUT DEPRESSING THE REAL ESTATE MARKET. 10:40.331 --> 10:41.602 align:start ESTATE MARKET. THE GERMANS GET 40% OF THEIR 10:41.604 --> 10:43.384 align:start THE GERMANS GET 40% OF THEIR ENERGY FROM RUSSIA AND ARE 10:43.386 --> 10:45.357 align:start ENERGY FROM RUSSIA AND ARE EXCLUSIVELY SENSITIVE TO WHAT'S 10:45.358 --> 10:45.802 align:start EXCLUSIVELY SENSITIVE TO WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. 10:45.804 --> 10:47.266 align:start GOING ON THERE. SO GETTING ALL OF THAT TO MOVE 10:47.268 --> 10:48.189 align:start SO GETTING ALL OF THAT TO MOVE FORWARD ACTUALLY HAS TAKEN SOME 10:48.191 --> 10:49.939 align:start FORWARD ACTUALLY HAS TAKEN SOME PHONE CALLS BY THE PRESIDENT OF 10:49.941 --> 10:51.179 align:start PHONE CALLS BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 10:51.181 --> 10:52.930 align:start THE UNITED STATES. IT IS MOVING FORWARD. 10:52.932 --> 10:55.698 align:start IT IS MOVING FORWARD. THE EUROPEANS AT THE END OF THIS 10:55.700 --> 11:00.758 align:start THE EUROPEANS AT THE END OF THIS WEEK ACTUALLY DID TAKE A STEP TO 11:00.759 --> 11:01.617 align:start WEEK ACTUALLY DID TAKE A STEP TO RATCHETED THEIR SANCTIONS TO THE 11:01.619 --> 11:02.762 align:start RATCHETED THEIR SANCTIONS TO THE LEVELS THAT THE UNITED STATES 11:02.764 --> 11:04.576 align:start LEVELS THAT THE UNITED STATES HAS ESTABLISHED. 11:04.578 --> 11:06.262 align:start HAS ESTABLISHED. BUT BOY, IT'S LIKE PULLING 11:06.264 --> 11:07.249 align:start BUT BOY, IT'S LIKE PULLING TEETH. 11:07.251 --> 11:08.553 align:start TEETH. >> HE SENT HIS CHIEF OF STAFF 11:08.555 --> 11:11.099 align:start >> HE SENT HIS CHIEF OF STAFF AND HIS COUNTER TERRORISM 11:11.101 --> 11:12.308 align:start AND HIS COUNTER TERRORISM ADVISOR TO MEET WITH ANGELA 11:12.310 --> 11:18.067 align:start ADVISOR TO MEET WITH ANGELA MERKEL TOTH -- ANGELA 11:18.069 --> 11:18.926 align:start MERKEL TOTH -- ANGELA RUFFLE FEATHERS. 11:18.928 --> 11:22.554 align:start RUFFLE FEATHERS. >> THEY'RE MAD AT EACH OTHER. 11:22.555 --> 11:25.513 align:start >> THEY'RE MAD AT EACH OTHER. AND NOW THE C.I.A. SPYING WHICH 11:25.515 --> 11:29.426 align:start AND NOW THE C.I.A. SPYING WHICH ANGELA MERKEL WAS UPSET THAT HER 11:29.428 --> 11:30.412 align:start ANGELA MERKEL WAS UPSET THAT HER CELL PHONE WAS BEING TAPPED. 11:30.414 --> 11:33.372 align:start CELL PHONE WAS BEING TAPPED. THEY ARRESTED A GERMAN 11:33.374 --> 11:35.154 align:start THEY ARRESTED A GERMAN INTELLIGENCE OFFER FOR SPYING 11:35.156 --> 11:37.031 align:start INTELLIGENCE OFFER FOR SPYING FROM THE C.I.A. 11:37.033 --> 11:39.863 align:start FROM THE C.I.A. SO DENNIS MCDONAGH NOT NORMALLY 11:39.865 --> 11:41.040 align:start SO DENNIS MCDONAGH NOT NORMALLY A POSITION THAT DOES 11:41.042 --> 11:42.695 align:start A POSITION THAT DOES INTERNATIONAL MISSIONS LIKE THIS 11:42.697 --> 11:45.590 align:start INTERNATIONAL MISSIONS LIKE THIS PERSONALLY WITH ANGELA MERKEL TO 11:45.592 --> 11:48.677 align:start PERSONALLY WITH ANGELA MERKEL TO TRY TO SMOOTH IT OVER. 11:48.679 --> 11:50.395 align:start TRY TO SMOOTH IT OVER. BUT THEY NEED HER TO BE IN LOCK 11:50.397 --> 11:54.214 align:start BUT THEY NEED HER TO BE IN LOCK STEP. 11:54.216 --> 11:57.140 align:start STEP. THEY'VE ALL COME TO A CRESCENDO 11:57.142 --> 11:58.063 align:start THEY'VE ALL COME TO A CRESCENDO AT THIS VERY MOMENT. 11:58.065 --> 11:59.113 align:start AT THIS VERY MOMENT. WE'RE UPSET WITH EGYPT BECAUSE 11:59.115 --> 12:01.246 align:start WE'RE UPSET WITH EGYPT BECAUSE THEY HAD A MILITARY COUPE. 12:01.248 --> 12:02.996 align:start THEY HAD A MILITARY COUPE. BUT WE NEED EGYPT TO WORK WITH 12:02.998 --> 12:07.705 align:start BUT WE NEED EGYPT TO WORK WITH HAMAS TO GET THEM TO BACK OFF. 12:07.707 --> 12:11.428 align:start HAMAS TO GET THEM TO BACK OFF. WE ARE KIND OF ON THE SAME SIDE 12:11.429 --> 12:12.732 align:start WE ARE KIND OF ON THE SAME SIDE IN IRAQ AGAINST THE REBELS 12:12.734 --> 12:13.018 align:start IN IRAQ AGAINST THE REBELS THERE. 12:13.020 --> 12:14.451 align:start THERE. >> THERE'S THE EGYPT ONE BUT 12:14.452 --> 12:17.186 align:start >> THERE'S THE EGYPT ONE BUT THERE'S ALSO TURKEY WHERE THE 12:17.188 --> 12:18.460 align:start THERE'S ALSO TURKEY WHERE THE PRESIDENT, THIS PRIME MINISTER 12:18.461 --> 12:20.146 align:start PRESIDENT, THIS PRIME MINISTER DECIDED TO SAY THIS WEEK THAT I 12:20.148 --> 12:22.182 align:start DECIDED TO SAY THIS WEEK THAT I DON'T REALLY TALK TO BARACK 12:22.184 --> 12:22.851 align:start DON'T REALLY TALK TO BARACK OBAMA ANYMORE. 12:22.853 --> 12:25.174 align:start OBAMA ANYMORE. HE'S GOT HIS INTERNAL DOMESTIC 12:25.176 --> 12:25.619 align:start HE'S GOT HIS INTERNAL DOMESTIC REASONS AS WELL. 12:25.621 --> 12:26.829 align:start REASONS AS WELL. >> WE SAW THIS WEEK IN THE 12:26.830 --> 12:28.864 align:start >> WE SAW THIS WEEK IN THE EFFORT TO REACH A CEASE-FIRE 12:28.866 --> 12:33.511 align:start EFFORT TO REACH A CEASE-FIRE BETWEEN HAMAS AND ISRAEL. 12:33.512 --> 12:36.310 align:start BETWEEN HAMAS AND ISRAEL. NOT JUST EGYPT BUT QATAR AND 12:36.312 --> 12:38.379 align:start NOT JUST EGYPT BUT QATAR AND TURKEY AND BEING TO LEVERAGE AND 12:38.381 --> 12:38.729 align:start TURKEY AND BEING TO LEVERAGE AND INFLUENCE. 12:38.731 --> 12:40.319 align:start INFLUENCE. THE PROBLEM IS IN THE CASE OF 12:40.321 --> 12:43.978 align:start THE PROBLEM IS IN THE CASE OF THAT PARTICULAR CONFLICT, EGYPT 12:43.980 --> 12:45.474 align:start THAT PARTICULAR CONFLICT, EGYPT CONTROLS THE BORDER CROSSING 12:45.476 --> 12:46.842 align:start CONTROLS THE BORDER CROSSING THAT HAMAS HAS ASKED TO OPEN TO 12:46.844 --> 12:48.784 align:start THAT HAMAS HAS ASKED TO OPEN TO HELP BREAK THE ECONOMIC BLOCKADE 12:48.786 --> 12:49.770 align:start HELP BREAK THE ECONOMIC BLOCKADE SO OTHER COUNTRIES MAY BE 12:49.772 --> 12:51.774 align:start SO OTHER COUNTRIES MAY BE INVOLVED AND CAN HAVE SOME 12:51.776 --> 12:52.793 align:start INVOLVED AND CAN HAVE SOME INFLUENCE BUT THEY CAN'T HAVE 12:52.795 --> 12:54.638 align:start INFLUENCE BUT THEY CAN'T HAVE THE KIND OF LEVERAGE THAT EGYPT 12:54.640 --> 12:57.788 align:start THE KIND OF LEVERAGE THAT EGYPT HAS TRADITIONALLY HAD AND 12:57.790 --> 12:59.316 align:start HAS TRADITIONALLY HAD AND ABSENCE HAS FELT THIS WEEK 12:59.317 --> 13:00.525 align:start ABSENCE HAS FELT THIS WEEK BECAUSE EGYPT WAS NOT IN THE 13:00.527 --> 13:02.306 align:start BECAUSE EGYPT WAS NOT IN THE POSITION TO BE A BROKER BETWEEN 13:02.308 --> 13:04.248 align:start POSITION TO BE A BROKER BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES WHICH DOESN'T 13:04.250 --> 13:07.079 align:start THE UNITED STATES WHICH DOESN'T RECOGNIZE OR TALK TO HAMAS AND 13:07.081 --> 13:07.397 align:start RECOGNIZE OR TALK TO HAMAS AND ISRAEL. 13:07.399 --> 13:09.784 align:start ISRAEL. AND THAT GAP WAS VERY 13:09.786 --> 13:10.770 align:start AND THAT GAP WAS VERY NOTICEABLE. 13:10.772 --> 13:12.648 align:start NOTICEABLE. THEY DECLARED THE MUSLIM 13:12.650 --> 13:15.670 align:start THEY DECLARED THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD A TERRORIST 13:15.672 --> 13:16.084 align:start BROTHERHOOD A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION. 13:16.086 --> 13:19.393 align:start ORGANIZATION. IT'S BEEN A COMPLETE 180 SINCE 13:19.395 --> 13:21.207 align:start IT'S BEEN A COMPLETE 180 SINCE THE NOVEMBER 2012 NEGOTIATIONS. 13:21.209 --> 13:23.275 align:start THE NOVEMBER 2012 NEGOTIATIONS. >> YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT 13:23.277 --> 13:25.408 align:start >> YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SECRETARY KERRY IN PARIS. 13:25.409 --> 13:27.094 align:start SECRETARY KERRY IN PARIS. HE'S GOING TO TRY TO RALLY 13:27.095 --> 13:29.448 align:start HE'S GOING TO TRY TO RALLY SUPPORT PRIMARILY FOR THE MIDDLE 13:29.450 --> 13:30.117 align:start SUPPORT PRIMARILY FOR THE MIDDLE EAST SITUATION. 13:30.118 --> 13:31.803 align:start EAST SITUATION. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE 13:31.804 --> 13:33.744 align:start YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OUTRAGE AFTER THIS PLANE CRASH. 13:33.746 --> 13:35.716 align:start OUTRAGE AFTER THIS PLANE CRASH. HOW LONG DOES THAT HAVE TO BE 13:35.718 --> 13:36.066 align:start HOW LONG DOES THAT HAVE TO BE SUSTAINED? 13:36.068 --> 13:37.562 align:start SUSTAINED? AND DOES THE U.S. HAVE TO KEEP 13:37.564 --> 13:39.376 align:start AND DOES THE U.S. HAVE TO KEEP THEM OUTRAGED TO PUT MORE 13:39.378 --> 13:40.712 align:start THEM OUTRAGED TO PUT MORE PRESSURE ON RUSSIA AND EVERYBODY 13:40.714 --> 13:42.207 align:start PRESSURE ON RUSSIA AND EVERYBODY -- 13:42.209 --> 13:44.244 align:start -- GWEN: I THINK EVERYONE HAS 13:44.246 --> 13:45.199 align:start GWEN: I THINK EVERYONE HAS WRITTEN OR SAID THAT THE MA 13:45.201 --> 13:51.086 align:start WRITTEN OR SAID THAT THE MA -- MALAYSIA IS GOING TO 13:51.088 --> 13:51.753 align:start -- MALAYSIA IS GOING TO TURN THE CORNER. 13:51.755 --> 13:53.917 align:start TURN THE CORNER. >> IT MAY BE HAPPENING. 13:53.919 --> 13:54.904 align:start >> IT MAY BE HAPPENING. THOSE ECONOMIC INTERESTS ARE 13:54.906 --> 13:55.762 align:start THOSE ECONOMIC INTERESTS ARE STILL THERE. 13:55.764 --> 13:57.513 align:start STILL THERE. LET'S TAKE THE CASE OF THE 13:57.515 --> 13:59.422 align:start LET'S TAKE THE CASE OF THE NETHERLANDS WHICH SUFFERED A 13:59.424 --> 14:02.254 align:start NETHERLANDS WHICH SUFFERED A HORRIBLE LOSS, LOOK 200 PEOPLE 14:02.255 --> 14:03.622 align:start HORRIBLE LOSS, LOOK 200 PEOPLE FROM THE NETHERLANDS DIED ON 14:03.624 --> 14:08.999 align:start FROM THE NETHERLANDS DIED ON HAT PLANE CRASH. 14:09.001 --> 14:12.054 align:start HAT PLANE CRASH. >> A COMPANY FROM THE MEDICINE 14:12.056 --> 14:14.599 align:start >> A COMPANY FROM THE MEDICINE IS ROYAL DUTCH SHALE WHICH HAS 14:14.601 --> 14:16.795 align:start IS ROYAL DUTCH SHALE WHICH HAS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF BUSINESS 14:16.797 --> 14:17.527 align:start AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF BUSINESS IN RUSSIA. 14:17.529 --> 14:19.531 align:start IN RUSSIA. EVERYBODY'S GOING TO FEEL THE 14:19.533 --> 14:23.287 align:start EVERYBODY'S GOING TO FEEL THE ECONOMIC PRESSURE TO GIVE HIM. 14:23.289 --> 14:24.718 align:start ECONOMIC PRESSURE TO GIVE HIM. I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THERE MAY 14:24.720 --> 14:26.405 align:start I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THERE MAY BE ONE FACTOR THAT IS GOING TO 14:26.407 --> 14:28.282 align:start BE ONE FACTOR THAT IS GOING TO KEEP IT A LOT LONGER 14:28.284 --> 14:30.955 align:start KEEP IT A LOT LONGER SPECIFICALLY IN THE NETHERLANDS. 14:30.957 --> 14:32.195 align:start SPECIFICALLY IN THE NETHERLANDS. THE FUNERAL THAT WE SAW THIS 14:32.197 --> 14:34.900 align:start THE FUNERAL THAT WE SAW THIS WEEK, THOSE BODIES HAVEN'T BEEN 14:34.902 --> 14:35.282 align:start WEEK, THOSE BODIES HAVEN'T BEEN BURIED YET. 14:35.284 --> 14:38.687 align:start BURIED YET. AND IT'S GOING TO BE WEEKS OF 14:38.689 --> 14:41.424 align:start AND IT'S GOING TO BE WEEKS OF FUNERALS IN THE NETHERLANDS. 14:41.425 --> 14:43.555 align:start FUNERALS IN THE NETHERLANDS. WHAT THIS HAS DONE A VAULTED THE 14:43.557 --> 14:45.528 align:start WHAT THIS HAS DONE A VAULTED THE WAR ON UKRAINE BACK OVER TO THE 14:45.530 --> 14:47.437 align:start WAR ON UKRAINE BACK OVER TO THE FRONT PAGES AFTER YOU COULD 14:47.439 --> 14:49.282 align:start FRONT PAGES AFTER YOU COULD ARGUE PUTIN HAD BEEN MAKING SOME 14:49.284 --> 14:51.891 align:start ARGUE PUTIN HAD BEEN MAKING SOME HEADWAY. 14:51.893 --> 14:53.896 align:start HEADWAY. SO IT MAY STILL TURN OUT TO BE 14:53.898 --> 14:55.933 align:start SO IT MAY STILL TURN OUT TO BE SOMETHING OF A TURNING POINT BUT 14:55.935 --> 14:57.619 align:start SOMETHING OF A TURNING POINT BUT NOTHING AS EVER AS QUICK -- 14:57.621 --> 15:00.546 align:start NOTHING AS EVER AS QUICK -- >> AND REINFORCING THAT HAS BEEN 15:00.548 --> 15:04.333 align:start >> AND REINFORCING THAT HAS BEEN THE REACTION FROM RUSSIA SINCE 15:04.335 --> 15:05.383 align:start THE REACTION FROM RUSSIA SINCE THEN. 15:05.385 --> 15:06.338 align:start THEN. THEY THINK MAYBE HE'LL PULL 15:06.340 --> 15:08.152 align:start THEY THINK MAYBE HE'LL PULL BACK. 15:08.154 --> 15:10.028 align:start BACK. AND HE'LL WANT TO CALM THINGS 15:10.030 --> 15:11.141 align:start AND HE'LL WANT TO CALM THINGS DOWN. 15:11.144 --> 15:12.033 align:start DOWN. INSTEAD IT SEEMS HE'S GOING TO 15:12.035 --> 15:13.337 align:start INSTEAD IT SEEMS HE'S GOING TO THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. 15:13.339 --> 15:15.088 align:start THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. FOR TROOPS TO THE BORDER. 15:15.090 --> 15:17.920 align:start FOR TROOPS TO THE BORDER. MORE WEAPONRY HEAD THERE. 15:17.921 --> 15:20.751 align:start MORE WEAPONRY HEAD THERE. HE'S DOUBLED DOWN AND MENCHES 15:20.754 --> 15:24.442 align:start HE'S DOUBLED DOWN AND MENCHES WERE HOPES -- THE AMERICANS WERE 15:24.444 --> 15:26.415 align:start WERE HOPES -- THE AMERICANS WERE HOPING SEE, DON'T TURN BACK. 15:26.416 --> 15:27.338 align:start HOPING SEE, DON'T TURN BACK. >> TONIGHT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 15:27.340 --> 15:29.374 align:start >> TONIGHT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A 1212-HOUR PAUSE. 15:29.376 --> 15:31.093 align:start A 1212-HOUR PAUSE. LAST WEEK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 15:31.094 --> 15:33.225 align:start LAST WEEK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A FIVE-HOUR PAUSE WHICH DIDN'T 15:33.227 --> 15:35.007 align:start A FIVE-HOUR PAUSE WHICH DIDN'T EVEN HOLD. 15:35.008 --> 15:36.152 align:start EVEN HOLD. I WONDER IF THIS IS -- THERE'S 15:36.154 --> 15:38.920 align:start I WONDER IF THIS IS -- THERE'S ANY OPTIMISM AT ALL THAT THIS IS 15:38.922 --> 15:41.370 align:start ANY OPTIMISM AT ALL THAT THIS IS -- ANYONE LISTENS TO ANYBODY 15:41.372 --> 15:42.197 align:start -- ANYONE LISTENS TO ANYBODY ANYMORE AND THERE'S ROOM FOR 15:42.200 --> 15:42.484 align:start ANYMORE AND THERE'S ROOM FOR THIS? 15:42.486 --> 15:44.552 align:start THIS? >> YOU KNOW THE CHALLENGES THAT 15:44.554 --> 15:47.479 align:start >> YOU KNOW THE CHALLENGES THAT EACH SIDE HAS BECOME FURTHER 15:47.482 --> 15:48.402 align:start EACH SIDE HAS BECOME FURTHER ENTRENCHED IN THEIR POSITIONS 15:48.404 --> 15:49.420 align:start ENTRENCHED IN THEIR POSITIONS LAST WEEK, IF YOU TALK TO PEOPLE 15:49.422 --> 15:53.271 align:start LAST WEEK, IF YOU TALK TO PEOPLE IN GAZA THEY SAID WE SUFFERED SO 15:53.273 --> 15:53.557 align:start IN GAZA THEY SAID WE SUFFERED SO MUCH. 15:53.558 --> 15:54.989 align:start MUCH. WE CAN'T WALK AWAY FROM THIS 15:54.991 --> 15:56.293 align:start WE CAN'T WALK AWAY FROM THIS HAVING GAINED NOTHING. 15:56.295 --> 15:58.139 align:start HAVING GAINED NOTHING. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE THAT WE WOULDN'T 15:58.141 --> 15:59.285 align:start IT'S IMPOSSIBLE THAT WE WOULDN'T GET SOME SORT OF ECONOMIC RELIEF 15:59.287 --> 16:00.175 align:start GET SOME SORT OF ECONOMIC RELIEF AT THE END OF THIS. 16:00.177 --> 16:03.675 align:start AT THE END OF THIS. AND ISRAEL IS SAYING WE'VE LOST 16:03.677 --> 16:05.584 align:start AND ISRAEL IS SAYING WE'VE LOST 35 SOLDIERS MORE THAN THEY LOST 16:05.586 --> 16:07.462 align:start 35 SOLDIERS MORE THAN THEY LOST DURING THE 2006 CONFLICT. 16:07.464 --> 16:08.734 align:start DURING THE 2006 CONFLICT. WE CANNOT WALK AWAY FROM THIS 16:08.737 --> 16:11.280 align:start WE CANNOT WALK AWAY FROM THIS NOT GETTING SOME SORT OF 16:11.282 --> 16:14.143 align:start NOT GETTING SOME SORT OF SUSTAINED PEACE OR AWARD HAMAS 16:14.146 --> 16:16.212 align:start SUSTAINED PEACE OR AWARD HAMAS FOR LAUNCHING ATTACKS ON OUR 16:16.214 --> 16:16.531 align:start FOR LAUNCHING ATTACKS ON OUR COUNTRY. 16:16.532 --> 16:18.885 align:start COUNTRY. AND SO IT'S HARD TO SEE WHERE 16:18.887 --> 16:21.175 align:start AND SO IT'S HARD TO SEE WHERE THAT CAN HAPPEN WHEN EVERY 16:21.177 --> 16:22.831 align:start THAT CAN HAPPEN WHEN EVERY PASSING DAY YOU FEEL PEOPLE ARE 16:22.832 --> 16:24.262 align:start PASSING DAY YOU FEEL PEOPLE ARE MORE AND MORE SBREVERAGED IN 16:24.264 --> 16:25.629 align:start MORE AND MORE SBREVERAGED IN THEIR POSITIONS AND WHAT COULD 16:25.631 --> 16:26.681 align:start THEIR POSITIONS AND WHAT COULD HAPPEN. 16:26.682 --> 16:27.603 align:start HAPPEN. >> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE 16:27.604 --> 16:30.435 align:start >> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE MAGIC WAND QUESTION THE ONE THAT 16:30.437 --> 16:31.644 align:start MAGIC WAND QUESTION THE ONE THAT SUSAN RICE BROUGHT UP THIS 16:31.646 --> 16:32.567 align:start SUSAN RICE BROUGHT UP THIS EVENING, WHICH IS HOW DOES A 16:32.569 --> 16:34.254 align:start EVENING, WHICH IS HOW DOES A PRESIDENT NOT GET TRAPPED BY ALL 16:34.256 --> 16:36.227 align:start PRESIDENT NOT GET TRAPPED BY ALL OF THESE VARIOUS ISSUES, ALL OF 16:36.228 --> 16:39.121 align:start OF THESE VARIOUS ISSUES, ALL OF THESE DEMANDS THAT THE U.S. 16:39.124 --> 16:40.203 align:start THESE DEMANDS THAT THE U.S. INTERVENE EVEN WHEN THERE'S NO 16:40.206 --> 16:42.144 align:start INTERVENE EVEN WHEN THERE'S NO WAY TO INTERVENE? 16:42.146 --> 16:44.403 align:start WAY TO INTERVENE? OR IS THAT JUST PARTS OF THE 16:44.406 --> 16:44.818 align:start OR IS THAT JUST PARTS OF THE OFFICE? 16:44.820 --> 16:46.950 align:start OFFICE? >> WELL, IT IS PARTS OF THE 16:46.951 --> 16:47.268 align:start >> WELL, IT IS PARTS OF THE OFFICE. 16:47.270 --> 16:49.559 align:start OFFICE. I THINK HIS NUMBERS ARE TAKEN A 16:49.561 --> 16:54.586 align:start I THINK HIS NUMBERS ARE TAKEN A T AS A RESULT BECAUSE ON THE 16:54.588 --> 16:54.936 align:start T AS A RESULT BECAUSE ON THE WAY DOWN. 16:54.937 --> 16:55.795 align:start WAY DOWN. THE WORLD IS OUT OF CONTROL AND 16:55.797 --> 16:57.481 align:start THE WORLD IS OUT OF CONTROL AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR LEADERSHIP AND 16:57.483 --> 16:59.200 align:start WE'RE LOOKING FOR LEADERSHIP AND HE'S NOT PROVIDING. 16:59.201 --> 17:00.123 align:start HE'S NOT PROVIDING. POLLS ALSO SHOW THEY DON'T WANT 17:00.125 --> 17:05.181 align:start POLLS ALSO SHOW THEY DON'T WANT IN O GET US MORE INVOLVED 17:05.184 --> 17:06.773 align:start IN O GET US MORE INVOLVED IRAQ, SYRIA. 17:06.774 --> 17:08.173 align:start IRAQ, SYRIA. DISPARITY IS SOMETHING HARD FOR 17:08.175 --> 17:08.778 align:start DISPARITY IS SOMETHING HARD FOR A PRESIDENT TO DEAL WIT. 17:08.780 --> 17:10.750 align:start A PRESIDENT TO DEAL WIT. HE SAID I'M NOT GOING TO LET 17:10.752 --> 17:12.627 align:start HE SAID I'M NOT GOING TO LET THIS HIJACK MY SCHEDULE. 17:12.630 --> 17:14.632 align:start THIS HIJACK MY SCHEDULE. HE'S TAKEN SOME HITS ON THAT 17:14.633 --> 17:16.540 align:start HE'S TAKEN SOME HITS ON THAT BECAUSE HE WENT TO A FUNDRAISING 17:16.542 --> 17:21.092 align:start BECAUSE HE WENT TO A FUNDRAISING TRIP ESPECIALLY ON THE 17:21.094 --> 17:23.001 align:start TRIP ESPECIALLY ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE. 17:23.003 --> 17:25.259 align:start REPUBLICAN SIDE. A PRESIDENT IS -- CAN BE A 17:25.261 --> 17:26.946 align:start A PRESIDENT IS -- CAN BE A PRESIDENT ON THE ROAD. 17:26.947 --> 17:28.536 align:start PRESIDENT ON THE ROAD. >> HOW MANY PRESIDENTS HAVE DONE 17:28.539 --> 17:28.824 align:start >> HOW MANY PRESIDENTS HAVE DONE THIS? 17:28.826 --> 17:30.988 align:start THIS? >> THERE'S GEORGE BUSH, BILL 17:30.990 --> 17:31.304 align:start >> THERE'S GEORGE BUSH, BILL CLINTON. 17:31.307 --> 17:33.564 align:start CLINTON. BUT YOU DO TAKE A HIT ON THE 17:33.566 --> 17:35.728 align:start BUT YOU DO TAKE A HIT ON THE OPTICS AND THE ACCELERATED 17:35.730 --> 17:37.446 align:start OPTICS AND THE ACCELERATED TWITTER AND SOCIAL WORLD IT'S 17:37.448 --> 17:38.560 align:start TWITTER AND SOCIAL WORLD IT'S ONLY MORE DAMAGING. 17:38.562 --> 17:40.279 align:start ONLY MORE DAMAGING. ONE OF THE INTERESTING QUESTIONS 17:40.280 --> 17:42.250 align:start ONE OF THE INTERESTING QUESTIONS THAT COMES UP IS WHAT IS IN THE 17:42.252 --> 17:44.287 align:start THAT COMES UP IS WHAT IS IN THE U.S. NATIONAL STRATEGIC 17:44.289 --> 17:44.637 align:start U.S. NATIONAL STRATEGIC INTEREST? 17:44.640 --> 17:45.432 align:start INTEREST? THAT'S NOT A DISCUSSION THAT'S 17:45.434 --> 17:47.216 align:start THAT'S NOT A DISCUSSION THAT'S BEEN HAD. 17:47.217 --> 17:49.792 align:start BEEN HAD. WHAT HAPPENED? 17:49.794 --> 17:50.970 align:start WHAT HAPPENED? LIBYA AN INTEREST? 17:50.971 --> 17:53.769 align:start LIBYA AN INTEREST? AT WHAT POINT DOES IT BECOME AN 17:53.772 --> 17:54.914 align:start AT WHAT POINT DOES IT BECOME AN IMMEDIATE CONCERN FOR THE UNITED 17:54.916 --> 17:55.234 align:start IMMEDIATE CONCERN FOR THE UNITED STATES? 17:55.235 --> 17:56.761 align:start STATES? WE TALK ABOUT UKRAINE BUT 17:56.763 --> 18:00.069 align:start WE TALK ABOUT UKRAINE BUT FRANKLY IT'S A BIGGER CONCERN 18:00.072 --> 18:00.737 align:start FRANKLY IT'S A BIGGER CONCERN FOR EUROPE THAN THE UNITED 18:00.739 --> 18:01.342 align:start FOR EUROPE THAN THE UNITED STATES. 18:01.343 --> 18:03.475 align:start STATES. IRAQ, AT WHAT POINT DOES THAT 18:03.477 --> 18:05.352 align:start IRAQ, AT WHAT POINT DOES THAT BECOME A THREAT TO THE U.S. 18:05.354 --> 18:05.829 align:start BECOME A THREAT TO THE U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY? 18:05.831 --> 18:08.183 align:start NATIONAL SECURITY? IF THESE COUNTRIES AREN'T POSING 18:08.186 --> 18:09.870 align:start IF THESE COUNTRIES AREN'T POSING AN IMMEDIATE THREAT? 18:09.872 --> 18:11.970 align:start AN IMMEDIATE THREAT? GWEN: EXCEPT THAT YOU JUST 18:11.972 --> 18:13.816 align:start GWEN: EXCEPT THAT YOU JUST CANNOT LOOK AWAY ESPECIALLY AS 18:13.818 --> 18:14.898 align:start CANNOT LOOK AWAY ESPECIALLY AS THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD. 18:14.900 --> 18:16.647 align:start THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD. >> WE'RE AT THAT STAGE WHERE YOU 18:16.650 --> 18:19.606 align:start >> WE'RE AT THAT STAGE WHERE YOU CANNOT -- CANNOT LOOK AWAY. 18:19.608 --> 18:22.534 align:start CANNOT -- CANNOT LOOK AWAY. AND WE'RE NALS A PERIOD WHEN THE 18:22.537 --> 18:24.316 align:start AND WE'RE NALS A PERIOD WHEN THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IS STILL 18:24.318 --> 18:25.685 align:start AMERICAN PUBLIC IS STILL ALLERGIC TO DIRECT INTERVENTION. 18:25.686 --> 18:27.338 align:start ALLERGIC TO DIRECT INTERVENTION. IN ALL OF THIS LIST OF CONFLICTS 18:27.341 --> 18:29.216 align:start IN ALL OF THIS LIST OF CONFLICTS YOU TALKED ABOUT HAS ANYONE 18:29.218 --> 18:32.143 align:start YOU TALKED ABOUT HAS ANYONE RAISED IN A SERIOUS WAY MILITARY 18:32.145 --> 18:32.556 align:start RAISED IN A SERIOUS WAY MILITARY INTERVENTION? 18:32.559 --> 18:33.830 align:start INTERVENTION? THE UNITED STATES ISN'T EVEN 18:33.831 --> 18:35.166 align:start THE UNITED STATES ISN'T EVEN SENDING WEAPONRY TO THE 18:35.167 --> 18:36.820 align:start SENDING WEAPONRY TO THE GOVERNMENT OF UKRAINE AT THIS 18:36.823 --> 18:39.621 align:start GOVERNMENT OF UKRAINE AT THIS POINT. 18:39.623 --> 18:44.776 align:start POINT. WEN: TALKING ABOUT NONLETHAL 18:44.777 --> 18:45.031 align:start WEN: TALKING ABOUT NONLETHAL AID. 18:45.033 --> 18:50.407 align:start AID. >> SO A THAT POINT GRIM PRINCIP 18:50.409 --> 18:52.127 align:start >> SO A THAT POINT GRIM PRINCIP DIPLOMACY WHICH IS CALLED 18:52.129 --> 18:53.398 align:start DIPLOMACY WHICH IS CALLED RIPENESS THAT SOMETIMES THESE 18:53.401 --> 18:56.867 align:start RIPENESS THAT SOMETIMES THESE THINGS, THE TWO SIDES IN A CON 18:56.869 --> 18:58.935 align:start THINGS, THE TWO SIDES IN A CON FLICT, GAZA AS AN EXAMPLE HAS TO 18:58.936 --> 19:00.081 align:start FLICT, GAZA AS AN EXAMPLE HAS TO EXHAUST EACH OTHER AND GET TO 19:00.082 --> 19:01.608 align:start EXHAUST EACH OTHER AND GET TO THE POINT WHERE NEITHER SIDE 19:01.610 --> 19:03.835 align:start THE POINT WHERE NEITHER SIDE STILL THINKS IT HAS NO GROUND TO 19:03.837 --> 19:05.776 align:start STILL THINKS IT HAS NO GROUND TO GAIN AND I'M AFRAID WE'RE IN 19:05.778 --> 19:06.477 align:start GAIN AND I'M AFRAID WE'RE IN THAT PERIOD. 19:06.479 --> 19:07.717 align:start THAT PERIOD. GWEN: BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW 19:07.718 --> 19:08.736 align:start GWEN: BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW WASHINGTON DOESN'T HAVE THE 19:08.737 --> 19:10.486 align:start WASHINGTON DOESN'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF FOCUSING ON ONE ISSUE 19:10.488 --> 19:12.331 align:start LUXURY OF FOCUSING ON ONE ISSUE AT A TIME. 19:12.332 --> 19:12.425 align:start AT A TIME. 19:12.428 --> 19:18.090 align:start THE DEBATE OF MIGRANTS CROSSING THE BORDER CONTINUES. 19:18.092 --> 19:19.935 align:start THE BORDER CONTINUES. PRESIDENT OBAMA MET TODAY WITH 19:19.938 --> 19:22.830 align:start PRESIDENT OBAMA MET TODAY WITH THE LEADERS OF HONDURAS, EL 19:22.832 --> 19:24.009 align:start THE LEADERS OF HONDURAS, EL SALVADOR AND GUATEMALA. 19:24.011 --> 19:26.617 align:start SALVADOR AND GUATEMALA. THEY ASKED FOR MORE THAN JUST 19:26.619 --> 19:28.781 align:start THEY ASKED FOR MORE THAN JUST BORDER SECURITY. 19:28.783 --> 19:34.382 align:start BORDER SECURITY. AT MILAN OTTO PEREZ -- 19:34.383 --> 19:41.095 align:start AT MILAN OTTO PEREZ -- UATEMALAN OTTO PEREZ MOLINA. 19:41.097 --> 19:44.914 align:start UATEMALAN OTTO PEREZ MOLINA. GWEN: THAT WAS PART OF ED 19:44.916 --> 19:46.823 align:start GWEN: THAT WAS PART OF ED O'KEEFE'S CONVERSATION WITH 19:46.825 --> 19:49.718 align:start O'KEEFE'S CONVERSATION WITH MOLINA AND THE PRESIDENT OF 19:49.721 --> 19:50.069 align:start MOLINA AND THE PRESIDENT OF HONDURAS. 19:50.071 --> 19:52.518 align:start HONDURAS. IF THE PRESIDENT CANNOT GET OUT 19:52.520 --> 19:53.665 align:start IF THE PRESIDENT CANNOT GET OUT OF CONGRESS, WHAT ARE HIS 19:53.667 --> 19:57.451 align:start OF CONGRESS, WHAT ARE HIS PRETTY SLIM. G ANYTHING ELSE? 19:57.453 --> 19:59.488 align:start PRETTY SLIM. G ANYTHING ELSE? THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN 19:59.489 --> 20:01.332 align:start THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN PROVIDING GETTING $35 MILLION 20:01.334 --> 20:02.319 align:start PROVIDING GETTING $35 MILLION MUCH LESS THAN WHAT THE 20:02.321 --> 20:03.177 align:start MUCH LESS THAN WHAT THE PRESIDENT REQUESTED. 20:03.180 --> 20:05.246 align:start PRESIDENT REQUESTED. TODAY THEY SAID ACTUALLY WE'RE 20:05.247 --> 20:06.774 align:start TODAY THEY SAID ACTUALLY WE'RE ONLY GOING TO PROVIDE ABOUT $1 20:06.776 --> 20:07.824 align:start ONLY GOING TO PROVIDE ABOUT $1 BILLION. 20:07.825 --> 20:08.810 align:start BILLION. MOST OF THAT WOULD GO TO BEEFING 20:08.812 --> 20:12.056 align:start MOST OF THAT WOULD GO TO BEEFING UP THE BORDER CONTROL ALONG THE 20:12.058 --> 20:13.647 align:start UP THE BORDER CONTROL ALONG THE MEXICAN BORDER POSSIBLY HELP TO 20:13.648 --> 20:15.461 align:start MEXICAN BORDER POSSIBLY HELP TO PAY DEPLOYING THE NATIONAL GUARD 20:15.463 --> 20:17.561 align:start PAY DEPLOYING THE NATIONAL GUARD AND PROVIDING SOME ASSISTANCE 20:17.562 --> 20:18.706 align:start AND PROVIDING SOME ASSISTANCE BUT NOT WHAT THE PRESIDENT ASKED 20:18.708 --> 20:22.269 align:start BUT NOT WHAT THE PRESIDENT ASKED FOR IN HOUSING AND IN PROCESSING 20:22.271 --> 20:25.961 align:start FOR IN HOUSING AND IN PROCESSING THESE IMMIGRANTS AND GET THEM TO 20:25.962 --> 20:28.760 align:start THESE IMMIGRANTS AND GET THEM TO FAMILY MEMBERS OR SEND THEM 20:28.763 --> 20:29.778 align:start FAMILY MEMBERS OR SEND THEM HOME. 20:29.781 --> 20:31.656 align:start HOME. GWEN: SO WHAT WAS THE POINT? 20:31.657 --> 20:32.993 align:start GWEN: SO WHAT WAS THE POINT? >> THAT HE IS WORKING WITH THESE 20:32.994 --> 20:35.728 align:start >> THAT HE IS WORKING WITH THESE GUYS AND INSISTING THAT THEY 20:35.730 --> 20:36.683 align:start GUYS AND INSISTING THAT THEY TAKE STEPS IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY 20:36.685 --> 20:37.765 align:start TAKE STEPS IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY NOT ONLY TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS 20:37.768 --> 20:41.106 align:start NOT ONLY TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS BUT TO PREPARE FOR THE RETURN OF 20:41.108 --> 20:43.334 align:start BUT TO PREPARE FOR THE RETURN OF THE IMMIGRANTS. 20:43.336 --> 20:45.942 align:start THE IMMIGRANTS. THEY -- THERE 20:45.944 --> 20:47.979 align:start THEY -- THERE >> BUS LOADS COMING BECAUSE THE 20:47.982 --> 20:48.997 align:start >> BUS LOADS COMING BECAUSE THE MEXICANS ARE DETAINING SOME OF 20:49.000 --> 20:50.939 align:start MEXICANS ARE DETAINING SOME OF THESE PEOPLE AND SENDING THEM 20:50.940 --> 20:51.224 align:start THESE PEOPLE AND SENDING THEM BACK. 20:51.226 --> 20:54.630 align:start BACK. THEY'RE STOLE THAT -- TOLD THAT 20:54.632 --> 20:56.506 align:start THEY'RE STOLE THAT -- TOLD THAT THEY'RE BEING SENT BACK. 20:56.509 --> 20:56.570 align:start THEY'RE BEING SENT BACK. 20:56.573 --> 20:58.703 align:start AND THOSE PLANE LOADS OF UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN WILL 20:58.705 --> 21:00.292 align:start UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN WILL BEGIN COMING BACK. 21:00.294 --> 21:03.253 align:start BEGIN COMING BACK. THE PRESIDENT FROM HONDURAS AND 21:03.254 --> 21:05.066 align:start THE PRESIDENT FROM HONDURAS AND GUATEMALA ARE PREPARING 21:05.068 --> 21:07.898 align:start GUATEMALA ARE PREPARING FACILITIES WHETHER THEY WILL BE 21:07.900 --> 21:09.331 align:start FACILITIES WHETHER THEY WILL BE GETTING EDUCATION, OR WHETHER 21:09.333 --> 21:11.844 align:start GETTING EDUCATION, OR WHETHER THEY WILL NEED ANY OTHER SERVICE 21:11.845 --> 21:14.834 align:start THEY WILL NEED ANY OTHER SERVICE AND THE HOPE THAT IN RETURN 21:14.836 --> 21:16.616 align:start AND THE HOPE THAT IN RETURN CONGRESS AND THE WHITE HOUSE 21:16.619 --> 21:18.463 align:start CONGRESS AND THE WHITE HOUSE WILL WORK TOGETHER ON A REGIONAL 21:18.465 --> 21:20.530 align:start WILL WORK TOGETHER ON A REGIONAL AND SECURITY AID PACKAGE SIMILAR 21:20.533 --> 21:22.312 align:start AND SECURITY AID PACKAGE SIMILAR TO WHAT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE IN 21:22.314 --> 21:24.253 align:start TO WHAT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE IN MEXICO AND COLOMBIA. 21:24.256 --> 21:26.289 align:start MEXICO AND COLOMBIA. >> WHAT ABOUT THIS TWAGGETE 2008 21:26.292 --> 21:26.544 align:start >> WHAT ABOUT THIS TWAGGETE 2008 LAW? 21:26.545 --> 21:29.027 align:start LAW? THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS WE DO NEED 21:29.029 --> 21:30.108 align:start THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS WE DO NEED TO FIX IT. 21:30.110 --> 21:32.112 align:start TO FIX IT. REPUBLICANS SAY LET'S NOT GIVE 21:32.115 --> 21:33.036 align:start REPUBLICANS SAY LET'S NOT GIVE MONEY IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO 21:33.037 --> 21:34.022 align:start MONEY IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FIX IT. 21:34.024 --> 21:35.899 align:start FIX IT. >> THIS IS THE LAW THAT WAS PUT 21:35.901 --> 21:37.840 align:start >> THIS IS THE LAW THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE AND SIGNED BY PRESIDENT 21:37.841 --> 21:39.845 align:start IN PLACE AND SIGNED BY PRESIDENT BUSH THAT DEALT PRIMARILY WITH 21:39.847 --> 21:40.736 align:start BUSH THAT DEALT PRIMARILY WITH HUMAN TRAFFICKING. 21:40.738 --> 21:42.422 align:start HUMAN TRAFFICKING. THE IDEA IS THAT ESSENTIALLY 21:42.424 --> 21:43.663 align:start THE IDEA IS THAT ESSENTIALLY IMMIGRANTS FROM THOSE THREE 21:43.664 --> 21:46.686 align:start IMMIGRANTS FROM THOSE THREE CENTRAL AMERICAN COUNTRIES GET 21:46.688 --> 21:47.480 align:start CENTRAL AMERICAN COUNTRIES GET STREETED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY 21:47.483 --> 21:48.373 align:start STREETED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN MEXICAN CHILDREN. 21:48.375 --> 21:49.136 align:start THAN MEXICAN CHILDREN. THE ARGUMENT THAT MANY 21:49.138 --> 21:50.185 align:start THE ARGUMENT THAT MANY REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN MAKING AND 21:50.188 --> 21:51.936 align:start REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN MAKING AND SOME DEMOCRATS, NO, IF YOU'RE 21:51.939 --> 21:56.772 align:start SOME DEMOCRATS, NO, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SEND BACK MEXICANBACK ? 21:56.774 --> 21:57.885 align:start GOING TO SEND BACK MEXICANBACK ? THEY DON'T NECESSARILY DESERVE 21:57.887 --> 21:59.828 align:start THEY DON'T NECESSARILY DESERVE TO BE TREATED ANY DIFFERENTLY. 21:59.829 --> 22:03.453 align:start TO BE TREATED ANY DIFFERENTLY. BUT THE ARGUMENT THAT SOME HAVE 22:03.456 --> 22:04.504 align:start BUT THE ARGUMENT THAT SOME HAVE MADE IS THAT WAIT A SECOND, 22:04.505 --> 22:07.210 align:start MADE IS THAT WAIT A SECOND, THESE CHILDREN PROBABLY HAVE A 22:07.211 --> 22:09.182 align:start THESE CHILDREN PROBABLY HAVE A PARENT, AN UNCLE WHO IS IN THE 22:09.183 --> 22:10.549 align:start PARENT, AN UNCLE WHO IS IN THE UNITED STATES WHO MAY HAVE SENT 22:10.552 --> 22:13.063 align:start UNITED STATES WHO MAY HAVE SENT TO THEM BY PAYING OFF A HUMAN 22:13.066 --> 22:14.973 align:start TO THEM BY PAYING OFF A HUMAN SMUGGLER AS BAD AND ILLEGAL AND 22:14.975 --> 22:16.150 align:start SMUGGLER AS BAD AND ILLEGAL AND IMPROPER AS THEY MAY BE AND THEY 22:16.152 --> 22:18.760 align:start IMPROPER AS THEY MAY BE AND THEY DESERVE TO BE REUNITED. 22:18.762 --> 22:21.687 align:start DESERVE TO BE REUNITED. AND THAT'S WHAT THE PRESIDENT OF 22:21.689 --> 22:22.609 align:start AND THAT'S WHAT THE PRESIDENT OF HONDURAS SAID TO ME. 22:22.612 --> 22:24.742 align:start HONDURAS SAID TO ME. THERE COULD BE A FATHER TONIGHT 22:24.743 --> 22:26.619 align:start THERE COULD BE A FATHER TONIGHT WHO IS TRYING TO REUNITE WITH 22:26.621 --> 22:31.136 align:start WHO IS TRYING TO REUNITE WITH HER SON OR A DAUGHTER WHO THEY 22:31.139 --> 22:33.968 align:start HER SON OR A DAUGHTER WHO THEY HAVEN'T SEEN FOR 12 YEARS. 22:33.971 --> 22:38.901 align:start HAVEN'T SEEN FOR 12 YEARS. DON'T THEY DESERVE TO SEE THEIR 22:38.902 --> 22:39.219 align:start DON'T THEY DESERVE TO SEE THEIR MOTHER? 22:39.221 --> 22:40.778 align:start MOTHER? WHEN I ASKED PRESIDENT MOLINA 22:40.779 --> 22:42.846 align:start WHEN I ASKED PRESIDENT MOLINA ABOUT THE TALKS OF INCREASING 22:42.849 --> 22:43.705 align:start ABOUT THE TALKS OF INCREASING BORDER SECURITY. 22:43.707 --> 22:44.884 align:start BORDER SECURITY. HE SAID YOUR COUNTRY SPEEDS 22:44.885 --> 22:47.333 align:start HE SAID YOUR COUNTRY SPEEDS ABOUT $20 BILLION SECURING THE 22:47.335 --> 22:48.415 align:start ABOUT $20 BILLION SECURING THE MEXICAN BORDER. 22:48.417 --> 22:48.479 align:start MEXICAN BORDER. 22:48.481 --> 22:53.060 align:start TAKE 10% OF THAT AND INVEST IT IN CENTRAL AMERICA IN SECURITY 22:53.063 --> 22:54.619 align:start IN CENTRAL AMERICA IN SECURITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND ECONOMIC 22:54.622 --> 23:00.061 align:start AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND ECONOMIC EDUCATION. 23:00.063 --> 23:02.893 align:start EDUCATION. THAT WILL WOULD MORE PROFITABLE. 23:02.895 --> 23:05.661 align:start THAT WILL WOULD MORE PROFITABLE. IF THE UNITED STATES WERE TO 23:05.663 --> 23:07.474 align:start IF THE UNITED STATES WERE TO INVEST ALL THIS MONEY IN THE 23:07.477 --> 23:09.607 align:start INVEST ALL THIS MONEY IN THE COUNTRY, IT WILL DETER THE 23:09.608 --> 23:10.434 align:start COUNTRY, IT WILL DETER THE PEOPLE GOING NORTH. 23:10.435 --> 23:12.470 align:start PEOPLE GOING NORTH. NOW, WE CAN'T GET A HIGHWAY BILL 23:12.472 --> 23:13.202 align:start NOW, WE CAN'T GET A HIGHWAY BILL DONE. 23:13.203 --> 23:14.506 align:start DONE. WE CAN'T HELP THE DEPARTMENT OF 23:14.508 --> 23:17.210 align:start WE CAN'T HELP THE DEPARTMENT OF VETERAN AFFAIRS. THIS OUT. 23:17.212 --> 23:21.093 align:start VETERAN AFFAIRS. THIS OUT. SO WHAT ARE THE CHANCES FOR A 23:21.095 --> 23:21.984 align:start SO WHAT ARE THE CHANCES FOR A BIG ECONOMIC PACKAGE? 23:21.986 --> 23:24.912 align:start BIG ECONOMIC PACKAGE? THEY SAY IT IN SPANISH TOO, 23:24.913 --> 23:25.675 align:start THEY SAY IT IN SPANISH TOO, ZERO. 23:25.678 --> 23:26.756 align:start ZERO. >> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE 23:26.758 --> 23:28.443 align:start >> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE FLOW OF IMMIGRANTS FOR THE NEXT 23:28.445 --> 23:29.461 align:start FLOW OF IMMIGRANTS FOR THE NEXT WEEK? 23:29.462 --> 23:30.735 align:start WEEK? FOR WEEKS THE ADMINISTRATION HAS 23:30.736 --> 23:34.458 align:start FOR WEEKS THE ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN SAYING I DON'T COME -- 23:34.458 --> 23:34.967 align:start BEEN SAYING I DON'T COME -- GWEN: I'M SORRY -- 23:34.969 --> 23:36.239 align:start GWEN: I'M SORRY -- >> IS THE MESSAGE COMING 23:36.242 --> 23:36.557 align:start >> IS THE MESSAGE COMING THROUGH. 23:36.558 --> 23:39.104 align:start THROUGH. >>T'S IHOT RIGHT NOW IN TEXAS. 23:39.105 --> 23:40.471 align:start >>T'S IHOT RIGHT NOW IN TEXAS. THE NUMBERS HAVE DROPPED. 23:40.473 --> 23:41.903 align:start THE NUMBERS HAVE DROPPED. THE QUESTION IS WILL THEY STOP 23:41.904 --> 23:43.938 align:start THE QUESTION IS WILL THEY STOP PICKING UP FOR LABOR DAY AS THE 23:43.940 --> 23:44.766 align:start PICKING UP FOR LABOR DAY AS THE WEATHER COMES DOWN. 23:44.769 --> 23:46.866 align:start WEATHER COMES DOWN. GWEN: THE DEBATE WE MIGHT PICK 23:46.869 --> 23:49.507 align:start GWEN: THE DEBATE WE MIGHT PICK UP AFTER LABOR DAY WHEN CONGRESS 23:49.509 --> 23:53.580 align:start UP AFTER LABOR DAY WHEN CONGRESS COMES BACK TO COME TO TOWN. 23:53.582 --> 23:54.535 align:start COMES BACK TO COME TO TOWN. THE WASHINGTON WEB CAST EXTRA 23:54.537 --> 23:56.317 align:start THE WASHINGTON WEB CAST EXTRA STREAMS LIVE AT 8:30 P.M. 23:56.318 --> 23:57.303 align:start STREAMS LIVE AT 8:30 P.M. EASTERN TIME. 23:57.305 --> 23:59.052 align:start EASTERN TIME. AMONG OTHER THINGS WE'LL TALK 23:59.055 --> 24:01.090 align:start AMONG OTHER THINGS WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT VLADIMIR PUTIN IS 24:01.092 --> 24:02.045 align:start ABOUT WHAT VLADIMIR PUTIN IS COMING TO. 24:02.047 --> 24:06.977 align:start COMING TO. YOU CAN FIND IT ALL WEEK ON 24:06.979 --> 24:07.549 align:start YOU CAN FIND IT ALL WEEK ON PBS.ORG/WASHINGTONWEEK. 24:07.550 --> 24:08.886 align:start PBS.ORG/WASHINGTONWEEK. KEEP UP WITH ME ON THE NEWS 24:08.888 --> 24:09.650 align:start KEEP UP WITH ME ON THE NEWS HOUR. 24:09.651 --> 24:11.941 align:start HOUR. JOIN ME NEXT WEEK FOR MY MONTHLY 24:11.942 --> 24:12.291 align:start JOIN ME NEXT WEEK FOR MY MONTHLY WEB CHAT. 24:12.291 --> 24:14.390 align:start WEB CHAT. YOUR QUESTIONS, MY ANSWERS. 24:14.391 --> 24:15.504 align:start YOUR QUESTIONS, MY ANSWERS. PERHAPS MOVIE REVIEWS. 24:15.506 --> 24:16.426 align:start PERHAPS MOVIE REVIEWS. WHO KNOWS? 24:16.428 --> 24:19.417 align:start WHO KNOWS? 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