GWEN: THE GROUND IS SHIFTING IN
UKRAINE ON GAY RIGHTS AND
CONGRESS AND IN SOCIETY.

UKRAINE ON GAY RIGHTS AND
CONGRESS AND IN SOCIETY.
WE EXPLORE IT ALL TONIGHT ON

CONGRESS AND IN SOCIETY.
WE EXPLORE IT ALL TONIGHT ON
"WASHINGTON WEEK."

WE EXPLORE IT ALL TONIGHT ON
"WASHINGTON WEEK."
>> ANY VIOLATION OF UKRAINE'S

"WASHINGTON WEEK."
>> ANY VIOLATION OF UKRAINE'S
SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL

>> ANY VIOLATION OF UKRAINE'S
SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL
INTEGRITY WOULD BE DEEPLY

SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL
INTEGRITY WOULD BE DEEPLY
DISABLING WHICH WOULD NOT BE IN

INTEGRITY WOULD BE DEEPLY
DISABLING WHICH WOULD NOT BE IN
THE INTEREST OF UKRAINE, RUSSIA

DISABLING WHICH WOULD NOT BE IN
THE INTEREST OF UKRAINE, RUSSIA
OR EUROPE.

THE INTEREST OF UKRAINE, RUSSIA
OR EUROPE.
>> WE BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY

OR EUROPE.
>> WE BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY
NEEDS TO STEP BACK AND AVOID ANY

>> WE BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY
NEEDS TO STEP BACK AND AVOID ANY
PROVOCATION.

NEEDS TO STEP BACK AND AVOID ANY
PROVOCATION.
>> THE SECRETARY OF STATE MEANS

PROVOCATION.
>> THE SECRETARY OF STATE MEANS
RUSSIA.

>> THE SECRETARY OF STATE MEANS
RUSSIA.
AS TENSIONS ESCALATE IN UKRAINE.

RUSSIA.
AS TENSIONS ESCALATE IN UKRAINE.
THE STANDOFF IS LOOKING MORE

AS TENSIONS ESCALATE IN UKRAINE.
THE STANDOFF IS LOOKING MORE
. LD WAR

ARIZONA LOOKS AT THE DEBATES
WHETHER ONE GROUP CAN VIOLATE

WHETHER ONE GROUP CAN VIOLATE
THE OTHER'S.

THE OTHER'S.
IN WASHINGTON, CONGRESSIONAL

IN WASHINGTON, CONGRESSIONAL
BRAIN DRAIN AFTER ONE SERVING

BRAIN DRAIN AFTER ONE SERVING
MEMBER AFTER ANOTHER OPTS OUT.

MEMBER AFTER ANOTHER OPTS OUT.
>> I HAVE FOUND GREAT

>> I HAVE FOUND GREAT
SA THIS COUNTRY.

SA THIS COUNTRY.
GWEN: AND AT THE WHITE HOUSE,

GWEN: AND AT THE WHITE HOUSE,
THE PRESIDENT REACHES OUT TO THE

THE PRESIDENT REACHES OUT TO THE
PRIVATE SECTOR TO ADDRESS PUBLIC

PRIVATE SECTOR TO ADDRESS PUBLIC
ILL.

ILL.
>> I SEE MYSELF IN THESE YOUNG

>> I SEE MYSELF IN THESE YOUNG
MEN.

MEN.
AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT

AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT
I GREW UP IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT

I GREW UP IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT
IS A LITTLE BIT MORE FORGIVING.

IS A LITTLE BIT MORE FORGIVING.
GWEN: LAUNCHING A NEW EFFORT TO

GWEN: LAUNCHING A NEW EFFORT TO
HELP YOUNG MEN AND BOYS OF

HELP YOUNG MEN AND BOYS OF
COLOR.

COLOR.
COVERING THE WEEK PETE WILLIAMS

COVERING THE WEEK PETE WILLIAMS
OF NBC NEWS.

OF NBC NEWS.
ED O'KEEFE OF "THE WASHINGTON

ED O'KEEFE OF "THE WASHINGTON
POST."

POST."
AND MICHAEL SHEERER OF "TIME"

AND MICHAEL SHEERER OF "TIME"
MAGAZINE.

MAGAZINE.
>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND

>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND
ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS IT

ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS IT
HAPPENS.

HAPPENS.
LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL,

LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL,
THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH

THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH
GWEN IFILL.

>> ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM
WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN

WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN
GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING.
WE START TONIGHT WITH AN UPDATE

WE START TONIGHT WITH AN UPDATE
ON UKRAINE WHERE AN EAST-WEST

ON UKRAINE WHERE AN EAST-WEST
DIVIDE IS GROWING AND UNCERTAIN

DIVIDE IS GROWING AND UNCERTAIN
GOVERNMENT HAS FORMED.

GOVERNMENT HAS FORMED.
AND OBAMA ADMINISTRATION

AND OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
OFFICIALS SUGGEST RUSSIA HAS

OFFICIALS SUGGEST RUSSIA HAS
TROOPS ON THE GROUND.

TROOPS ON THE GROUND.
THE PRESIDENT TODAY ISSUED HIS

THE PRESIDENT TODAY ISSUED HIS
STERNEST WARNING YET.

STERNEST WARNING YET.
>> JUST BEFORE THE WORLD CAME

>> JUST BEFORE THE WORLD CAME
TOGETHER FOR THE OLYMPIC GAMES

TOGETHER FOR THE OLYMPIC GAMES
IT WOULD INVITE THE CON DEN

IT WOULD INVITE THE CON DEN
NATION OF NATIONS AROUND THE

NATION OF NATIONS AROUND THE
WORLD.

WORLD.
AND INDEED THE UNITED STATES

AND INDEED THE UNITED STATES
WILL STAND WITH THE

WILL STAND WITH THE
INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IN

INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IN
AFFIRMING THERE WILL BE COST FOR

AFFIRMING THERE WILL BE COST FOR
ANY MILITARY INTERVENTION IN

ANY MILITARY INTERVENTION IN
UKRAINE.

UKRAINE.
GWEN: EVEN BEFORE THE PRESIDENT

GWEN: EVEN BEFORE THE PRESIDENT
SPOKE, THE U.N. WAS STEPPING UP

SPOKE, THE U.N. WAS STEPPING UP
ITS CRITICISM.

ITS CRITICISM.
>> THERE ARE ENOUGH TENSIONS

>> THERE ARE ENOUGH TENSIONS
THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR

THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR
EVERYBODY TO BE EXTREMELY

EVERYBODY TO BE EXTREMELY
CAREFUL NOT TO INFLAME THE

CAREFUL NOT TO INFLAME THE
SITUATION AND NOT TO SEND THE

SITUATION AND NOT TO SEND THE
WRONG MESSAGES.

WRONG MESSAGES.
GWEN: I SPOKE ABOUT THAT EARLIER

GWEN: I SPOKE ABOUT THAT EARLIER
TODAY FROM THE BLOOMBERG NEWS

TODAY FROM THE BLOOMBERG NEWS
WASHINGTON BUREAU.

WASHINGTON BUREAU.
ENDIRA, WELCOME.

ENDIRA, WELCOME.
EN JOHN KERRY SAYS BEWARE OF

EN JOHN KERRY SAYS BEWARE OF
MESSAGES, WHAT HE' ARE -- WHAT'S

MESSAGES, WHAT HE' ARE -- WHAT'S
HE MEAN?

HE MEAN?
>> THAT'S TRYING TO PUT ON THE

>> THAT'S TRYING TO PUT ON THE
RECORD FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO

RECORD FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO
HEAR THAT THE UNITED STATES DOES

HEAR THAT THE UNITED STATES DOES
NOT WANT RUSSIA TO HAVE A

NOT WANT RUSSIA TO HAVE A
MILITARY INTERVENTION HERE.

MILITARY INTERVENTION HERE.
THIS HAS ECHOS OF THE

THIS HAS ECHOS OF THE
INTERVENTION BY RUSSIA IN

INTERVENTION BY RUSSIA IN
GEORGIA.

GEORGIA.
THE SAME KIND OF LANGUAGE

THE SAME KIND OF LANGUAGE
PRECEEDED THAT WITH RUSSIA

PRECEEDED THAT WITH RUSSIA
TALKING ABOUT HOW IT WAS IN ITS

TALKING ABOUT HOW IT WAS IN ITS
NATIONAL INTEREST AT STAKE.

NATIONAL INTEREST AT STAKE.
SO THE U.S. DOES NOT WANT TO SEE

SO THE U.S. DOES NOT WANT TO SEE
THAT HAPPEN NEITHER DOES THE

THAT HAPPEN NEITHER DOES THE
E.U.

E.U.
GWEN: THIS IS ABOUT A CONFLICT

GWEN: THIS IS ABOUT A CONFLICT
INVOLVING EUROPE AND RUSSIA.

INVOLVING EUROPE AND RUSSIA.
INCREASELY IT INVOLVES U.S. AN

INCREASELY IT INVOLVES U.S. AN
RUSSIA.

RUSSIA.
IS THAT A CORRECT READING?

IS THAT A CORRECT READING?
>> A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE JUMPED

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE JUMPED
ON THIS AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT

ON THIS AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT
THEY'RE CALLING A NEW COLD WAR.

THEY'RE CALLING A NEW COLD WAR.
IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE LENS

IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE LENS
THROUGH WHICH YOU'RE LOOKING AND

THROUGH WHICH YOU'RE LOOKING AND
WE'VE SEEN SOME EDITORIAL PAGES

WE'VE SEEN SOME EDITORIAL PAGES
WASHINGTON TALK ABOUT THAT, A

WASHINGTON TALK ABOUT THAT, A
NEW COLD WAR.

NEW COLD WAR.
THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS VERY

THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS VERY
KEEN TO GET AWAY FROM THAT

KEEN TO GET AWAY FROM THAT
NOTION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

NOTION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
WHY?

WHY?
BECAUSE OBAMA KNOWS THAT HE

BECAUSE OBAMA KNOWS THAT HE
NEEDS PUTIN AND RUSSIA'S SUPPORT

NEEDS PUTIN AND RUSSIA'S SUPPORT
ON OTHER KEY INTERNATIONAL

ON OTHER KEY INTERNATIONAL
ISSUES LIKE IRAN, LIKE SYRIA,

ISSUES LIKE IRAN, LIKE SYRIA,
LIKE NORTH KOREA.

LIKE NORTH KOREA.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BURN ALLAME

THEY DON'T WANT TO BURN ALLAME
KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS

KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS
TO CORPORATE.

TO CORPORATE.
AND THAT MEANS THAT AN I.M.F.

AND THAT MEANS THAT AN I.M.F.
BAILOUT PACKAGE WOULD HOPEFULLY

BAILOUT PACKAGE WOULD HOPEFULLY
BE PAIRED WITH RUSSIAN LONE

BE PAIRED WITH RUSSIAN LONE
ASSISTANCE AS WELL AND THE U.S.

ASSISTANCE AS WELL AND THE U.S.
$1 BILLION. TS OWN

$1 BILLION. TS OWN
AS JOHN KERRY SAID THIS ISN'T

AS JOHN KERRY SAID THIS ISN'T
"ROCKY IV."

"ROCKY IV."
HE'S TRYING TO MAKE THE POINT

HE'S TRYING TO MAKE THE POINT
THIS IS NOT A NEW COLD WAR.

THIS IS NOT A NEW COLD WAR.
GWEN: ARE THERE DOLLAR SIGNS

GWEN: ARE THERE DOLLAR SIGNS
ATTACHED TO THIS CONFLICT?

ATTACHED TO THIS CONFLICT?
>> VERY MUCH SO.

>> VERY MUCH SO.
I MEAN, THE UKRAINIAN ECONOMY IS

I MEAN, THE UKRAINIAN ECONOMY IS
IN CRISIS.

IN CRISIS.
INVESTORS ARE PULLING OUT.

INVESTORS ARE PULLING OUT.
THE GOVERNMENT HAS SAID THAT IT

THE GOVERNMENT HAS SAID THAT IT
NEEDS $35 BILLION IN BAILOUTS TO

NEEDS $35 BILLION IN BAILOUTS TO
KEEP ITS ECONOMY AFLOAT.

KEEP ITS ECONOMY AFLOAT.
THEN LATER THEY SAID THAT'S FOR

THEN LATER THEY SAID THAT'S FOR
TWO YEARS.

TWO YEARS.
THEY NEED AT LEAST $15 BILLION

THEY NEED AT LEAST $15 BILLION
FOR THE FIRST YEAR FROM THE

FOR THE FIRST YEAR FROM THE
I.M.F.

I.M.F.
THE I.M.F. IS DOING SOME

THE I.M.F. IS DOING SOME
FACT-FINDING AND FIGURE OUT

FACT-FINDING AND FIGURE OUT
WHAT'S POSSIBLE BUT THE I.M.F.

WHAT'S POSSIBLE BUT THE I.M.F.
HAS BEEN BURNED TWICE ALREADY.

HAS BEEN BURNED TWICE ALREADY.
SINCE 2008, THE TWO PREVIOUS

SINCE 2008, THE TWO PREVIOUS
GOVERNMENTS BOTH DID NOT KEEP UP

GOVERNMENTS BOTH DID NOT KEEP UP
EIR END OF THE AUSTERITY

EIR END OF THE AUSTERITY
BARGAIN.

BARGAIN.
AND THE CURRENT ONE ADMITTED

AND THE CURRENT ONE ADMITTED
HAT IT COULD BE A VERY

HAT IT COULD BE A VERY
POLITICAL KAMIKAZE MOVE.

POLITICAL KAMIKAZE MOVE.
GWEN: WHO CARRYS THE WEIGHT IN

GWEN: WHO CARRYS THE WEIGHT IN
THIS ARGUMENTS?

THIS ARGUMENTS?
RUSSIA?

RUSSIA?
THE U.S.?

THE U.S.?
E.U.?

E.U.?
ARE WE EXPECTING ANOTHER SUITER?

ARE WE EXPECTING ANOTHER SUITER?
>> THAT'S THE $15 BILLION

>> THAT'S THE $15 BILLION
QUESTION, RIGHT?

QUESTION, RIGHT?
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUNTRY

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUNTRY
THAT SITS IN A VERY KEY

THAT SITS IN A VERY KEY
STRATEGIC PLACE.

STRATEGIC PLACE.
ON THE BORDER OF RUSSIA ON ONE

ON THE BORDER OF RUSSIA ON ONE
SIDE.

SIDE.
ON THE BORDER OF NATO ON THE

ON THE BORDER OF NATO ON THE
OTHER SIDE.

OTHER SIDE.
THE WHOLE THING THAT

THE WHOLE THING THAT
PRECIPITATED THIS IS THE

PRECIPITATED THIS IS THE
GOVERNMENT PULLED OUT THAT WAS

GOVERNMENT PULLED OUT THAT WAS
SUPPOSED TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH

SUPPOSED TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH
THEM LAST YEAR THAT WOULD HAVE

THEM LAST YEAR THAT WOULD HAVE
ALLOWED THEM TO SEEK MEMBERSHIP

ALLOWED THEM TO SEEK MEMBERSHIP
OF THE E.U. AND HE DECIDED TO

OF THE E.U. AND HE DECIDED TO
BACK OUT YANOKOVIC AND DECIDED

BACK OUT YANOKOVIC AND DECIDED
TO ALLY HIMSELF WITH RUSSIA.

TO ALLY HIMSELF WITH RUSSIA.
A LOT OF PEOPLE IT'S RIGHT THERE

A LOT OF PEOPLE IT'S RIGHT THERE
AT THE SEAM OF EUROPE AND IT'S

AT THE SEAM OF EUROPE AND IT'S
VERY KEEN WHICH WAY IT WORKS.

VERY KEEN WHICH WAY IT WORKS.
OUR KEY CRITICAL GAS PIPELINES

OUR KEY CRITICAL GAS PIPELINES
THROUGH WHICH HALF OF THE GAS

THROUGH WHICH HALF OF THE GAS
THAT RUSSIA EXPORTS THROUGH

THAT RUSSIA EXPORTS THROUGH
EUROPE GOES THROUGH THOSE

EUROPE GOES THROUGH THOSE
PIPELINES THROUGH THE UKRAINE.

PIPELINES THROUGH THE UKRAINE.
THERE ARE MONEY ISSUE, GOOD

THERE ARE MONEY ISSUE, GOOD
GEO POLITICAL --

GEO POLITICAL --
ISSUES.

ISSUES.
GWEN: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US

GWEN: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US
TONIGHT.

TONIGHT.
>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.
>> WHEN IT COMES TO EXPANDING

>> WHEN IT COMES TO EXPANDING
RIGHTS FOR GAYS AND LESBIANS,

RIGHTS FOR GAYS AND LESBIANS,
THERE WAS A BIG VETO IN ARIZONA.

THERE WAS A BIG VETO IN ARIZONA.
A GAY MARRIAGE RULING IN TEXAS

A GAY MARRIAGE RULING IN TEXAS
AND NEW GUIDANCE FROM THE U.S.

AND NEW GUIDANCE FROM THE U.S.
ATTORNEY GENERAL.

ATTORNEY GENERAL.
IN ARIZONA JANUARY BREWER KILLED

IN ARIZONA JANUARY BREWER KILLED
A MEASURE THAT WOULD HAVE

A MEASURE THAT WOULD HAVE
ALLOWED BUSINESSES TO USE

ALLOWED BUSINESSES TO USE
RELIGIOUS BELIEF AS A DEFENSE

RELIGIOUS BELIEF AS A DEFENSE
AGAINST DISCRIMINATION LAWSUITS.

AGAINST DISCRIMINATION LAWSUITS.
>> I SINCERELY BELIEF THAT

>> I SINCERELY BELIEF THAT
SENATE BILL 1062 HAS THE

SENATE BILL 1062 HAS THE
POTENTIAL TO CREATE MORE

POTENTIAL TO CREATE MORE
PROBLEMS THAN IT PRO PORTS TO

PROBLEMS THAN IT PRO PORTS TO
SOLVE.

SOLVE.
I COULD DIVIDE ARIZONA IN WAYS

I COULD DIVIDE ARIZONA IN WAYS
YOU COULD NOT EVEN IMAGINE AND

YOU COULD NOT EVEN IMAGINE AND
NO ONE WOULD EVER WANT.

NO ONE WOULD EVER WANT.
GWEN: BUT EVEN THOUGH THIS IS

GWEN: BUT EVEN THOUGH THIS IS
GAY RIGHT DEBATE, THE ROOTS OF

GAY RIGHT DEBATE, THE ROOTS OF
THE LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH

THE LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
THAT PIECE.

THAT PIECE.
>> IT STARS TWO DECADES AGO WITH

>> IT STARS TWO DECADES AGO WITH
TWO MEN WHO WORKED AT DRUG REHAB

TWO MEN WHO WORKED AT DRUG REHAB
CENTER WHO WERE FIRED FOR

CENTER WHO WERE FIRED FOR
SMOKING PEYOTE AT A NATIVE

SMOKING PEYOTE AT A NATIVE
AMERICAN SURGE SERVICE.

AMERICAN SURGE SERVICE.
THEY SAID IT WAS RITUAL.

THEY SAID IT WAS RITUAL.
SO THE LAWS SHOULDN'T APPLY TO

SO THE LAWS SHOULDN'T APPLY TO
THEM.

THEM.
BUT THE U.S. SUPREME COURT SAYS

BUT THE U.S. SUPREME COURT SAYS
THERE'S NO RELIGIOUS EXCEPTION.

THERE'S NO RELIGIOUS EXCEPTION.
AND THAT INFURIATED CONGRESS

AND THAT INFURIATED CONGRESS
WHICH RESPONDED BYPASSING

WHICH RESPONDED BYPASSING
SOMETHING CALLED THE RELIGIOUS

SOMETHING CALLED THE RELIGIOUS
FREEDOM RESTORATION ACT WHICH

FREEDOM RESTORATION ACT WHICH
BARRED THE GOVERNMENT FROM IN

BARRED THE GOVERNMENT FROM IN
THE PHRASE OF THE LAW

THE PHRASE OF THE LAW
SUBSTANTIALLY BURDENENING

SUBSTANTIALLY BURDENENING
SOMEBODY'S EXERCISE OF RELIGION.

SOMEBODY'S EXERCISE OF RELIGION.
ARIZONA IS ONE OF MANY THAT HAS

ARIZONA IS ONE OF MANY THAT HAS
LAWS LIKE THAT.

LAWS LIKE THAT.
SO WHAT WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS

SO WHAT WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS
ARIZONA LAW IS THAT IT WOULD

ARIZONA LAW IS THAT IT WOULD
HAVE EXPANDED THE LAW TO APPLY

HAVE EXPANDED THE LAW TO APPLY
NOST TO INDIVIDUALS BUT TO

NOST TO INDIVIDUALS BUT TO
BUSINESSS THAT GET SUED BY

BUSINESSS THAT GET SUED BY
SOMEONE IN A PRIVATE LAWSUIT,

SOMEONE IN A PRIVATE LAWSUIT,
SOMEONE THAT THEY REFUSE TO

SOMEONE THAT THEY REFUSE TO
SERVE AND WHAT GOT THE SPONSORS

SERVE AND WHAT GOT THE SPONSORS
OF THE BILL CONCERNED WAS A

OF THE BILL CONCERNED WAS A
DECISION LAST YEAR IN

DECISION LAST YEAR IN
NEIGHBORING NEW MEXICO WHEN THE

NEIGHBORING NEW MEXICO WHEN THE
SUPREME COURT THERE RULED

SUPREME COURT THERE RULED
AGAINST A BE QUEER KEY

AGAINST A BE QUEER KEY
PHOTOGRAPHERS WHO REFUSED TO

PHOTOGRAPHERS WHO REFUSED TO
PHOTOGRAPH THE CEREMONY OF TWO

PHOTOGRAPH THE CEREMONY OF TWO
WOMEN.

WOMEN.
AND THIS IS EXACTLY AT THE HEART

AND THIS IS EXACTLY AT THE HEART
OF THE CHALLENGE TO THE

OF THE CHALLENGE TO THE
OBAMACARE LAW THAT THE SUPREME

OBAMACARE LAW THAT THE SUPREME
COURT WILL HEAR NEXT MONTH.

COURT WILL HEAR NEXT MONTH.
>> GWEN RATTLED OFF THIS WEEK'S

>> GWEN RATTLED OFF THIS WEEK'S
DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS.

DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS.
YOU'VE GOT FIGHTS IN STATE

YOU'VE GOT FIGHTS IN STATE
HOUSES AND IN COURTHOUSES.

HOUSES AND IN COURTHOUSES.
WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON?

WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON?
>> A TEXAS JUDGE BECAME THE

>> A TEXAS JUDGE BECAME THE
LATEST TO STRIKE DOWN A BAN ON

LATEST TO STRIKE DOWN A BAN ON
SAME SEX MARRIAGE SAYING THAT

SAME SEX MARRIAGE SAYING THAT
IT'S -- THERE'S NO GOOD REASON

IT'S -- THERE'S NO GOOD REASON
TO DO THAT.

TO DO THAT.
GWEN: HOW MANY STATES HAVE DONE

GWEN: HOW MANY STATES HAVE DONE
THAT?

THAT?
>> IN TERMS OF COURT ACTION, SIX

>> IN TERMS OF COURT ACTION, SIX
OR SEVEN.

OR SEVEN.
WE HAVE 17 STATES IN WHICH SAME

WE HAVE 17 STATES IN WHICH SAME
SEX MARRIAGE IS ALLOWED.

SEX MARRIAGE IS ALLOWED.
WE HAVE A TRIAL THAT STARRED

WE HAVE A TRIAL THAT STARRED
THIS WEEK IN MICHIGAN OVER ITS

THIS WEEK IN MICHIGAN OVER ITS
BAN.

BAN.
AND JUST THIS WEEK A KENTUCKY

AND JUST THIS WEEK A KENTUCKY
JUDGE MADE HIS RULING FINAL

JUDGE MADE HIS RULING FINAL
WHILE KENTUCKY DOES NOT HAVE TO

WHILE KENTUCKY DOES NOT HAVE TO
ALLOW SAME SEX MARRIAGES TO BE

ALLOW SAME SEX MARRIAGES TO BE
PERFORMED, IT HAS TO BE

PERFORMED, IT HAS TO BE
RECOGNIZED MARRIAGES IN OTHER

RECOGNIZED MARRIAGES IN OTHER
STATES.

STATES.
>> HOW IS ERIC HOLDER GETTING

>> HOW IS ERIC HOLDER GETTING
INVOLVED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS?

INVOLVED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS?
>> HE GAVE A VERY INTERESTING

>> HE GAVE A VERY INTERESTING
SPEECH BEFORE THE NATIONAL OF

SPEECH BEFORE THE NATIONAL OF
ASSOCIATION OF ATTORNEYS

ASSOCIATION OF ATTORNEYS
GENERAL.

GENERAL.
HE THINKS THAT ANY LAW THAT

HE THINKS THAT ANY LAW THAT
SHOULD BE IONS ON IT

SHOULD BE IONS ON IT
SUSPICIOUS.

SUSPICIOUS.
NOW, HE DIDN'T TELL THE

NOW, HE DIDN'T TELL THE
ATTORNEYS GENERAL YOU SHOULD DO

ATTORNEYS GENERAL YOU SHOULD DO
THAT TOO BUT THAT WAS SORT OF

THAT TOO BUT THAT WAS SORT OF
THE MESSAGE.

THE MESSAGE.
GWEN: BUT ISN'T IT WEIRD TO HAVE

GWEN: BUT ISN'T IT WEIRD TO HAVE
THE NATION'S CHIEF ENFORCEMENT

THE NATION'S CHIEF ENFORCEMENT
OFFICERS TO ADVISE OTHER

OFFICERS TO ADVISE OTHER
OFFICERS DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT,

OFFICERS DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT,
JUST LET IT GO?

JUST LET IT GO?
>> MANY OF THEM THOUGHT SO.

>> MANY OF THEM THOUGHT SO.
MANY WERE SPEECH

MANY WERE SPEECH
AFTERWARDS.

AFTERWARDS.
THIS IS WHAT HE DID WHEN THE

THIS IS WHAT HE DID WHEN THE
ADMINISTRATION HAD TO DECIDE

ADMINISTRATION HAD TO DECIDE
WHETHER TO DEFEND IN COURT THE

WHETHER TO DEFEND IN COURT THE
DEFENSE IN MARRIAGE ACT.

DEFENSE IN MARRIAGE ACT.
THERE ARE LOTS OF EXAMPLES WHERE

THERE ARE LOTS OF EXAMPLES WHERE
U.S. AN STATE ATTORNEYS GENERAL

U.S. AN STATE ATTORNEYS GENERAL
HAVE DECLINED TO DEFEND LAWS

HAVE DECLINED TO DEFEND LAWS
THAT THEY THINK IS

THAT THEY THINK IS
UNCONSTITUTION.

UNCONSTITUTION.
>> DOES HE HAVE A LOT OF SWAY

>> DOES HE HAVE A LOT OF SWAY
WITH ATTORNEYS GENERALS?

WITH ATTORNEYS GENERALS?
> TO SOME EXTENT HIS REMARKS

> TO SOME EXTENT HIS REMARKS
WAS REMARKING ON SOMETHING

WAS REMARKING ON SOMETHING
THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED.

THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED.
STATES ATTORNEYS GENERAL HAVE

STATES ATTORNEYS GENERAL HAVE
DECLINED TO DEFEND THE LAW.

DECLINED TO DEFEND THE LAW.
O SO TO SOME EXTENT THEY ARE

O SO TO SOME EXTENT THEY ARE
KIND OF ON A ROLL.

KIND OF ON A ROLL.
GWEN: WILL THIS BARREL STRAIGHT

GWEN: WILL THIS BARREL STRAIGHT
TO THE SUPREME COURT?

TO THE SUPREME COURT?
>> WELL, WE'LL SEE.

>> WELL, WE'LL SEE.
SO FAR MOST OF THESE LAWS ARE

SO FAR MOST OF THESE LAWS ARE
STRIKING THE BANS DOWN.

STRIKING THE BANS DOWN.
THE MAIN REASON THE SUPREME

THE MAIN REASON THE SUPREME
COURT WOULD TAKE A CASE IF

COURT WOULD TAKE A CASE IF
THERE'S A SPLIT AMONG THE COURTS

THERE'S A SPLIT AMONG THE COURTS
OR CIRCUITS WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF

OR CIRCUITS WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF
THAT DEVELOPS.

THAT DEVELOPS.
GWEN: JOHN DINGELL SPENT SIX

GWEN: JOHN DINGELL SPENT SIX
DECADES IN CONGRESS.

DECADES IN CONGRESS.
PRECEED HIM

PRECEED HIM
SERVED TWO.

SERVED TWO.
BUT MANY SAY IT'S NOT FUN

BUT MANY SAY IT'S NOT FUN
ANYMORE.

ANYMORE.
>> THE PRESIDENT SHOULD NOT HAVE

>> THE PRESIDENT SHOULD NOT HAVE
TO TELL THE OTHER VETS FIGHTING

TO TELL THE OTHER VETS FIGHTING
THAT YOU CANNOT DO ILTS TESTS,

THAT YOU CANNOT DO ILTS TESTS,
HE WILL DO IT BY EXECUTIVE

HE WILL DO IT BY EXECUTIVE
ORDER.

ORDER.
THAT IS NOT THE WAY THE COUNTRY

THAT IS NOT THE WAY THE COUNTRY
IS RUN.

IS RUN.
GWEN: ALL TOLD, THE RETIREMENT

GWEN: ALL TOLD, THE RETIREMENT
OF DINGELL AND OTHERS SO FAR ADD

OF DINGELL AND OTHERS SO FAR ADD
UP TO ABOUT 300 YEARS OF

UP TO ABOUT 300 YEARS OF
CONGRESSIONAL EXPERIENCE.

CONGRESSIONAL EXPERIENCE.
SO THIS IS A BIG SHIFT OR NOT,

SO THIS IS A BIG SHIFT OR NOT,
ED?

ED?
>> IT IS AND IT CONTINUE AS

>> IT IS AND IT CONTINUE AS
TREND THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR

TREND THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR
THE PAST FEW YEAR WHERE IS THE

THE PAST FEW YEAR WHERE IS THE
OLDER GENERATIONS OF LAWMAKER

OLDER GENERATIONS OF LAWMAKER
WHO ARE TOTALLY NOT ACCUSTOM THE

WHO ARE TOTALLY NOT ACCUSTOM THE
SAYING FORGET

SAYING FORGET
IT.

IT.
THE FACT THAT YOU SAW REALLY THE

THE FACT THAT YOU SAW REALLY THE
DEAN -- HE RIDES AROUND IN A

DEAN -- HE RIDES AROUND IN A
MOTORIZED SCOOTER THAT SAYS "THE

MOTORIZED SCOOTER THAT SAYS "THE
DEAN" ON IT BASICALLY SAID THAT

DEAN" ON IT BASICALLY SAID THAT
IT'S OBNOXIOUS UP THERE.

IT'S OBNOXIOUS UP THERE.
CONSIDERING THE FACT HE CAME TOP

CONSIDERING THE FACT HE CAME TOP
THE OFFICE IN 1955.

THE OFFICE IN 1955.
12 DAYS AFTER ROSA PARKS REFUSED

12 DAYS AFTER ROSA PARKS REFUSED
TO GIVE UP HER SEAT ON THAT

TO GIVE UP HER SEAT ON THAT
BIRMINGHAMMINGHAM BUS.

BIRMINGHAMMINGHAM BUS.
AND HE WAS IN OFFICE 12 YEARS

AND HE WAS IN OFFICE 12 YEARS
BEFORE THIS SHOW STARTED.

BEFORE THIS SHOW STARTED.
[LAUGHTER]

[LAUGHTER]
>> AND HE MADE A REALLY

>> AND HE MADE A REALLY
INTERESTING COMMENT TO BLOOMBERG

INTERESTING COMMENT TO BLOOMBERG
NEWS WHERE HE SAID THE PRESIDENT

NEWS WHERE HE SAID THE PRESIDENT
HE MOST ADMIRED WAS LYNDON

HE MOST ADMIRED WAS LYNDON
JOHNSON AND HE CONSIDERS NEWT

JOHNSON AND HE CONSIDERS NEWT
GINGRICH A VERY CLOSE FRIEND.

GINGRICH A VERY CLOSE FRIEND.
MOST OF HIS COLLEAGUES WOULD

MOST OF HIS COLLEAGUES WOULD
TURN THEIR, YOU KNOW, WOULD FIND

TURN THEIR, YOU KNOW, WOULD FIND
THAT VERY ODD AND FRANKLY READ

THAT VERY ODD AND FRANKLY READ
ABOUT THOSE GUYS IN TEXTBOOKS.

ABOUT THOSE GUYS IN TEXTBOOKS.
>> IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE

>> IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE
ERA OF BIPARTISAN THAT I GUESS

ERA OF BIPARTISAN THAT I GUESS
HE GREW UP IN.

HE GREW UP IN.
WHAT'S THE TALLY NOW.

WHAT'S THE TALLY NOW.
HOW MANY PEOPLE WITH THAT KIND

HOW MANY PEOPLE WITH THAT KIND
OF EXPERIENCE ARE HEADING --

OF EXPERIENCE ARE HEADING --
>> HE'S ONE OF 32 MEMBERS IN THE

>> HE'S ONE OF 32 MEMBERS IN THE
SENATE SO FAR SAYING I'M

SENATE SO FAR SAYING I'M
RETIRING.

RETIRING.
NOT RUNNING FOR A HIGHER OFFICE

NOT RUNNING FOR A HIGHER OFFICE
BUT LEAVING ENTIRELY.

BUT LEAVING ENTIRELY.
THAT'S A COMBINED 660 YEARS OF

THAT'S A COMBINED 660 YEARS OF
EXPERIENCE BETWEEN THE HOUSE

EXPERIENCE BETWEEN THE HOUSE
LAWMAKERS AND THE SENATE.

LAWMAKERS AND THE SENATE.
IT'S CLOSE TO THE 700 IF YOU ADD

IT'S CLOSE TO THE 700 IF YOU ADD
THE HOUSE EXPERIENCE THAT SOME

THE HOUSE EXPERIENCE THAT SOME
OF THOSE SENATORS HAVE.

OF THOSE SENATORS HAVE.
>> AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT MOST

>> AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT MOST
OF THOSE ARE PEOPLE ARE WORRIED

OF THOSE ARE PEOPLE ARE WORRIED
ABOUT GETTING RE-ELECTED?

ABOUT GETTING RE-ELECTED?
>> NO, IN FACT, MANY OF THEM

>> NO, IN FACT, MANY OF THEM
COME FROM SAFE SEATS.

COME FROM SAFE SEATS.
AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE ON PAR

AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE ON PAR
WITH 2012.

WITH 2012.
WHAT WAS IT?

WHAT WAS IT?
35 THAT YEAR.

35 THAT YEAR.
WE WERE THREE SHORT OF 2012.

WE WERE THREE SHORT OF 2012.
THAT WAVE WAS THE SIGNAL THAT A

THAT WAVE WAS THE SIGNAL THAT A
LOT OF THESE OLDER PEOPLE ARE

LOT OF THESE OLDER PEOPLE ARE
LEAVING.

LEAVING.
YOU'RE LOSING PEOPLE, THE BRAIN

YOU'RE LOSING PEOPLE, THE BRAIN
DRAIN.

DRAIN.
A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE

A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE
CHAIRMAN.

CHAIRMAN.
CARL LEVIN OF ARMED SERVICES,

CARL LEVIN OF ARMED SERVICES,
JAY ROCKEFELLER, MAX BAUCUS WHO

JAY ROCKEFELLER, MAX BAUCUS WHO
IS ON HIS WAY TO BEIJING AND TOM

IS ON HIS WAY TO BEIJING AND TOM
HARD KINSON JOHNSON.

HARD KINSON JOHNSON.
AND IT CREATES A VERY

AND IT CREATES A VERY
INTERESTING DICHOTOMY OF PEOPLE

INTERESTING DICHOTOMY OF PEOPLE
WHO HAVE BEEN SERVING FOR 12 OR

WHO HAVE BEEN SERVING FOR 12 OR
15 YEARS ARE NOW BEING VIEWED AS

15 YEARS ARE NOW BEING VIEWED AS
SENIORS.

SENIORS.
>> THERE ARE 45 SENATORS

>> THERE ARE 45 SENATORS
CURRENTLY SERVING IN THEIR FIRST

CURRENTLY SERVING IN THEIR FIRST
TERM.

TERM.
THAT'S UNPRECEDENTED.

THAT'S UNPRECEDENTED.
>> YOU'VE ALREADY GOT AN

>> YOU'VE ALREADY GOT AN
INSTITUTION THAT'S GOT 12% OF

INSTITUTION THAT'S GOT 12% OF
APPROVAL NATIONWIDE.

APPROVAL NATIONWIDE.
WHEN DOES IT TURN AROUND?

WHEN DOES IT TURN AROUND?
WHEN CAN THE OPTIMISM CLAIM A

WHEN CAN THE OPTIMISM CLAIM A
VICTORY AND SAY THAT CONGRESS

VICTORY AND SAY THAT CONGRESS
WILL BECOME A BETTER

WILL BECOME A BETTER
INSTITUTION?

INSTITUTION?
>> YEAH -- THERE IS GENUINE

>> YEAH -- THERE IS GENUINE
FRUSTRATION I THINK ESPECIALLY

FRUSTRATION I THINK ESPECIALLY
MANY THE SENATE ABOUT THE FACT

MANY THE SENATE ABOUT THE FACT
THAT THEY'RE SITTING AROUND

THAT THEY'RE SITTING AROUND
DOING NOTHING.

DOING NOTHING.
WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME MODEST

WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME MODEST
ATTEMPTS OF THAT IN THE NEXT FEW

ATTEMPTS OF THAT IN THE NEXT FEW
WEEKS.

WEEKS.
THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO MOVE

THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO MOVE
SOME SMALL BALL THINGS RELATED

SOME SMALL BALL THINGS RELATED
TO CHILD CAR, MAYBE SOME

TO CHILD CAR, MAYBE SOME
PROPOSALS ON SENTENCE REFORM.

PROPOSALS ON SENTENCE REFORM.
MODEST ATTEMPTS TO GET --

MODEST ATTEMPTS TO GET --
>> IF YOU BELIEVE IN TERM LIMITS

>> IF YOU BELIEVE IN TERM LIMITS
OR YOU BELIEVE IN FRESH BLOOD

OR YOU BELIEVE IN FRESH BLOOD
AND YOU BELIEVE IN BRINGING IN

AND YOU BELIEVE IN BRINGING IN
-- BREAKING OUT OF THE

-- BREAKING OUT OF THE
STRUCTURES OF WASHINGTON, ISN'T

STRUCTURES OF WASHINGTON, ISN'T
THIS A GOOD THING?

THIS A GOOD THING?
>> YES, IN FACT, IF YOU TALK TO

>> YES, IN FACT, IF YOU TALK TO
OTHER DEMOCRATS, THEY SAY IF

OTHER DEMOCRATS, THEY SAY IF
FILIBUSTER TOTALLY DOESN'T MAKE

FILIBUSTER TOTALLY DOESN'T MAKE
ANY SENSE.

ANY SENSE.
IN A MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY

IN A MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY
WANTS IT DONE AND A MINORITY OF

WANTS IT DONE AND A MINORITY OF
THE SENAT CAN HOLD IT UP, IT

THE SENAT CAN HOLD IT UP, IT
SHOULD BE PUSHED AWAY.

SHOULD BE PUSHED AWAY.
THE OLD BULLS ARE SAYING, WAIT A

THE OLD BULLS ARE SAYING, WAIT A
SECOND THAT VIOLATES HUNDREDS OF

SECOND THAT VIOLATES HUNDREDS OF
CONGRESSIONAL HISTORY.

CONGRESSIONAL HISTORY.
GWEN: WHAT WOULD JOHN DINGELL

GWEN: WHAT WOULD JOHN DINGELL
SAY WERE HIS CHIEF

SAY WERE HIS CHIEF
ACCOMPLISHMENTS?

ACCOMPLISHMENTS?
>> CERTAINLY HIS WORK ON CLEAN

>> CERTAINLY HIS WORK ON CLEAN
-- WHAT IS IT?

-- WHAT IS IT?
THE CLEAN WATER ACT.

THE CLEAN WATER ACT.
WORKING FOR MEDICARE -- THE

WORKING FOR MEDICARE -- THE
HEALTH CARE REFORM, THE BIGGEST

HEALTH CARE REFORM, THE BIGGEST
ACHIEVEMENT.

ACHIEVEMENT.
HIS FATHER FOUGHT FOR THAT.

HIS FATHER FOUGHT FOR THAT.
HE SERVED THROUGH ALL THOSE

HE SERVED THROUGH ALL THOSE
DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS WHO TRIED.

DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS WHO TRIED.
THINI K HE WOULD CONSIDER HIS

THINI K HE WOULD CONSIDER HIS
BIGGEST --

BIGGEST --
>> AND NOW HIS WIFE DEBBIE

>> AND NOW HIS WIFE DEBBIE
DINGELL IS RUNNING FOR HIS SEAT.

DINGELL IS RUNNING FOR HIS SEAT.
>> IF SHE SERVES NINE TERMS THAT

>> IF SHE SERVES NINE TERMS THAT
DING LL BE HAVE HOLD THAT SEAT

DING LL BE HAVE HOLD THAT SEAT
FOR 100 YEARS.

FOR 100 YEARS.
GWEN: WOW.

GWEN: WOW.
THE EAST ROOM IN THE WHITE HOUSE

THE EAST ROOM IN THE WHITE HOUSE
-- FULL OF FILL LAN THROW

-- FULL OF FILL LAN THROW
PHILANTHROPISTS.

PHILANTHROPISTS.
IT'S CALLED MY BROTHER'S KEEPER

IT'S CALLED MY BROTHER'S KEEPER
AND IT'S HIS BOLDEST EFFORT YET

AND IT'S HIS BOLDEST EFFORT YET
TO REACH OUTSIDE PARTISAN LINES

TO REACH OUTSIDE PARTISAN LINES
AND THE BAT.

AND THE BAT.
TO ADDRESS WHAT HE CONSIDERS TO

TO ADDRESS WHAT HE CONSIDERS TO
BE IMPORTANT.

BE IMPORTANT.
>> WHILE THERE MIGHT NOT BE MUCH

>> WHILE THERE MIGHT NOT BE MUCH
OF AN APPETITE FOR NEW

OF AN APPETITE FOR NEW
INITIATIVES, WE ALL KNOW WE

INITIATIVES, WE ALL KNOW WE
CAN'T WAIT.

CAN'T WAIT.
AND SO THE GOOD NEWS IS, FOLKS

AND SO THE GOOD NEWS IS, FOLKS
IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHO KNOW

IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHO KNOW
HOW IMPORTANT BOOSTING THE

HOW IMPORTANT BOOSTING THE
ACHIEVEMENT OF YOUNG MEN OF

ACHIEVEMENT OF YOUNG MEN OF
COLOR IS TO THE COUNTRY, THEY

COLOR IS TO THE COUNTRY, THEY
ARE READY TO STEP UP.

ARE READY TO STEP UP.
>> IS THIS APPROACH REACHING

>> IS THIS APPROACH REACHING
OUTSIDE OF CONGRESS, REACHING

OUTSIDE OF CONGRESS, REACHING
OUTSIDE OF THE PROBLEMS IN

OUTSIDE OF THE PROBLEMS IN
WASHINGTON TO STOP THINGS FROM

WASHINGTON TO STOP THINGS FROM
HAPPENING, IS THIS PART OF HIS

HAPPENING, IS THIS PART OF HIS
NEW APPROACH TO LIFE?

NEW APPROACH TO LIFE?
>> IT IS.

>> IT IS.
HE KNOWS HE'S NOW IN HIS FIFTH

HE KNOWS HE'S NOW IN HIS FIFTH
YEAR OR SIXTH YEAR.

YEAR OR SIXTH YEAR.
HE KNOWS THIS TOWN IS NOT

HE KNOWS THIS TOWN IS NOT
WORKING FOR REASONS WE'VE JUST

WORKING FOR REASONS WE'VE JUST
DISCUSSED.

DISCUSSED.
AND HE DECIDED LATE LAST YEAR

AND HE DECIDED LATE LAST YEAR
WITH HIS AGE THAT HE'S GOING TO

WITH HIS AGE THAT HE'S GOING TO
MOVE FORWARD ON THE AGENDA WHERE

MOVE FORWARD ON THE AGENDA WHERE
HE DOESN'T NEED CONGRESS AND

HE DOESN'T NEED CONGRESS AND
DOESN'T NEED NEW MONEY.

DOESN'T NEED NEW MONEY.
THEY TALK ABOUT THE PEN AND THE

THEY TALK ABOUT THE PEN AND THE
PHONE IS THE WAY THEY'RE GOING

PHONE IS THE WAY THEY'RE GOING
TO REACH OUT TO THE COUNTRY.

TO REACH OUT TO THE COUNTRY.
THE PRESIDENT HAS AN ENORMOUS

THE PRESIDENT HAS AN ENORMOUS
CONVENING ABILITY.

CONVENING ABILITY.
YOU SAW THAT HERE.

YOU SAW THAT HERE.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HE

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HE
SAID, I THINK, IN THAT ADDRESS

SAID, I THINK, IN THAT ADDRESS
WAS THIS ISSUE OF YOUNG MEN OF

WAS THIS ISSUE OF YOUNG MEN OF
COLOR NOT HAVING THE SAME

COLOR NOT HAVING THE SAME
OPPORTUNITY THAT OTHER YOUNG

OPPORTUNITY THAT OTHER YOUNG
PEOPLE HAVE IS AS IMPORTANT A

PEOPLE HAVE IS AS IMPORTANT A
NATIONAL ISSUE WITH ANY ISSUE I

NATIONAL ISSUE WITH ANY ISSUE I
DEAL WITH.

DEAL WITH.
IT'S A BIG DEAL TO HAVE A

IT'S A BIG DEAL TO HAVE A
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
SAY THAT.

SAY THAT.
AND EVEN IF THE MONEY THAT HE'S

AND EVEN IF THE MONEY THAT HE'S
TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS ABOUT

TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS ABOUT
$200 MILLION OVER THE NEXT TWO

$200 MILLION OVER THE NEXT TWO
YEARS WILL BE FUNNED BY INDUSTRY

YEARS WILL BE FUNNED BY INDUSTRY
AND PHILANTHROPIES.

AND PHILANTHROPIES.
MAY HAVE BEEN SPENT ANYWAY.

MAY HAVE BEEN SPENT ANYWAY.
IT WAS BEING SPENT TO HELP THIS

IT WAS BEING SPENT TO HELP THIS
COMMUNITY.

COMMUNITY.
THE FACT THAT HE IS ELEVATING

THE FACT THAT HE IS ELEVATING
AND THAT HE AS THE FIRST BLACK

AND THAT HE AS THE FIRST BLACK
PRESIDENT CAN SPEAK TO THESE

PRESIDENT CAN SPEAK TO THESE
FAMILIES AND THESE YOUNG MEN

FAMILIES AND THESE YOUNG MEN
ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE MEANS THAT

ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE MEANS THAT
I THINK HE WILL BE ABLE TO PUSH

I THINK HE WILL BE ABLE TO PUSH
THIS SOME AND WE'LL HAVE A

THIS SOME AND WE'LL HAVE A
LITTLE BIT OF A LEGACY.

LITTLE BIT OF A LEGACY.
>> AND WHAT'S GOING COMB DONE

>> AND WHAT'S GOING COMB DONE
WITH THE MONEY?

WITH THE MONEY?
IT'S FOR WHAT?

IT'S FOR WHAT?
>> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS

>> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS
THAT HE I'D TIED AT THIS EVENT.

THAT HE I'D TIED AT THIS EVENT.
>> HE'S GOING TO -- AND THESE

>> HE'S GOING TO -- AND THESE
ARE ALL THINGS ACTUALLY THAT HAD

ARE ALL THINGS ACTUALLY THAT HAD
ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING IN THE

ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING IN THE
PHILANTHROPIC WORLD.

PHILANTHROPIC WORLD.
THERE'S A BIG EFFORT TO GET

THERE'S A BIG EFFORT TO GET
MINORITY FAMILIES TO SPEAK MORE

MINORITY FAMILIES TO SPEAK MORE
WITH THEIR CHILDREN.

WITH THEIR CHILDREN.
THERE IS REAL RESEARCH THAT

THERE IS REAL RESEARCH THAT
SHOWS TODDLER AND MINORITY

SHOWS TODDLER AND MINORITY
FAMILIES, JUST DON'T HEAR AS

FAMILIES, JUST DON'T HEAR AS
MANY WORDS.

MANY WORDS.
THREE MILLION FEWER WORDS THAN

THREE MILLION FEWER WORDS THAN
YOUNG WHITE CHILDREN.

YOUNG WHITE CHILDREN.
THAT MEANS THEY'RE AT A HUGE

THAT MEANS THEY'RE AT A HUGE
DISADVANTAGE WHEN THEY GET TO

DISADVANTAGE WHEN THEY GET TO
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
THERE'S ANOTHER ISSUE OF

THERE'S ANOTHER ISSUE OF
LITERACY.

LITERACY.
THIS COMMUNITY IS NOT READING AS

THIS COMMUNITY IS NOT READING AS
WELL GOING INTO FOURTH GRADE AS

WELL GOING INTO FOURTH GRADE AS
YOUNG WHITE PEOPLE ARE READING.

YOUNG WHITE PEOPLE ARE READING.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUSH

THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUSH
THERE.

THERE.
THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT THE

THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT THE
PRESIDENT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH

PRESIDENT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH
THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION WITH

THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION WITH
ZERO TOLERANCE.

ZERO TOLERANCE.
THERE WAS A DISCIPLINE EFFORT

THERE WAS A DISCIPLINE EFFORT
THAT CAME MUCH THROUGH THE

THAT CAME MUCH THROUGH THE
1990'S AND HAS CONTINUED IN

1990'S AND HAS CONTINUED IN
RECENT YEARS.

RECENT YEARS.
RESEARCH SHOWS THAT THIS AFFECTS

RESEARCH SHOWS THAT THIS AFFECTS
THE COMMUNITY.

THE COMMUNITY.
THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION HAS

THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION HAS
BEEN EDGE COURAGING SCHOOLS TO

BEEN EDGE COURAGING SCHOOLS TO
REVISIT THOSE POLICY.

REVISIT THOSE POLICY.
AND THERE'S A CRIMINAL JUSTICE

AND THERE'S A CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REFORM ELEMENT.

REFORM ELEMENT.
THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF THIS

THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF THIS
COMMUNITY BEING CHANNELED FROM

COMMUNITY BEING CHANNELED FROM
SUSPENSIONS IN SCHOO

SUSPENSIONS IN SCHOO
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IF

CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IF
YOU'RE A WHITE SUBURBAN KID AND

YOU'RE A WHITE SUBURBAN KID AND
YOU GET QUATH A LITTLE BIT OF

YOU GET QUATH A LITTLE BIT OF
POT IN YOUR BACKPACK IN YOUR

POT IN YOUR BACKPACK IN YOUR
SCHOOL OR PRIVATE SCHOOL, IT'S

SCHOOL OR PRIVATE SCHOOL, IT'S
NOT CLEAR THAT THE COMES WILL BE

NOT CLEAR THAT THE COMES WILL BE
CALLED --

CALLED --
GWEN: HE SAID HE SPOKE FROM

GWEN: HE SAID HE SPOKE FROM
EXPERIENCE.

EXPERIENCE.
>> HE IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT

>> HE IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT
THAT SAID HE GOT HIGH.

THAT SAID HE GOT HIGH.
>> A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT HE

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT HE
WOULD TALK MORE ABOUT THIS.

WOULD TALK MORE ABOUT THIS.
SOME SURMISED THAT HE WASN'T

SOME SURMISED THAT HE WASN'T
GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT UNTIL HE

GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT UNTIL HE
GOT RE-ELECTED BECAUSE OF THE

GOT RE-ELECTED BECAUSE OF THE
HISTORY.

HISTORY.
WHAT TOOK SO LONG?

WHAT TOOK SO LONG?
AND IS THERE A SENSE THAT HE'S

AND IS THERE A SENSE THAT HE'S
GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN HE

GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN HE
LEAVES OFFICE?

LEAVES OFFICE?
>> THAT POINT IS GOING TO BE

>> THAT POINT IS GOING TO BE
RIGHT.

RIGHT.
THIS IS ONE OF THE ISSUES HE

THIS IS ONE OF THE ISSUES HE
TAKES WITH HIM WHEN HE LEAVES

TAKES WITH HIM WHEN HE LEAVES
OFFICE IN 2007 HE GAVE A SPEECH.

OFFICE IN 2007 HE GAVE A SPEECH.
HE SAID IF YOU ELECT ME,LY BRING

HE SAID IF YOU ELECT ME,LY BRING
A NEW DAWN OF JUSTICE.

A NEW DAWN OF JUSTICE.
HE WILL TAKE ON OTHER ISSUES AND

HE WILL TAKE ON OTHER ISSUES AND
WE'VE GOT THE HEALTH CARE FIGHT,

WE'VE GOT THE HEALTH CARE FIGHT,
THE DEFICIT BATTLE.

THE DEFICIT BATTLE.
HE HAD A VERY DIFFICULT

HE HAD A VERY DIFFICULT
RE-ELECTION.

RE-ELECTION.
JUST A MONTH BEFORE, HE GAVE AN

JUST A MONTH BEFORE, HE GAVE AN
INTERVIEW WITH BLACK ENTERPRISE

INTERVIEW WITH BLACK ENTERPRISE
MAGAZINE HE SAID, I'M NOT THE

MAGAZINE HE SAID, I'M NOT THE
PRESIDENT OF BLACK AMERICA.

PRESIDENT OF BLACK AMERICA.
HE DIDN'T WANT THAT IDEA THAT HE

HE DIDN'T WANT THAT IDEA THAT HE
WAS FAVORING ONE PARTICULAR

WAS FAVORING ONE PARTICULAR
GROUP.

GROUP.
I DID AN INTERVIEW BEFORE THAT

I DID AN INTERVIEW BEFORE THAT
ELECTION.

ELECTION.
AND I FOUND OUT THAT WHEN HE

AND I FOUND OUT THAT WHEN HE
CAME DOWN WITH HIS SENIOR AIDS

CAME DOWN WITH HIS SENIOR AIDS
JUST WEEK BFERS HE GOT

JUST WEEK BFERS HE GOT
RE-ELECTED, HE HAD A YELLOW NOTE

RE-ELECTED, HE HAD A YELLOW NOTE
PAD.

PAD.
EVEN IF THIS WASN'T AN ISSUE, HE

EVEN IF THIS WASN'T AN ISSUE, HE
PUT CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM ON

PUT CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM ON
THERE AND HE STARTED PUSHING --

THERE AND HE STARTED PUSHING --
GWEN: WE'VE GOT TO GO.

GWEN: WE'VE GOT TO GO.
MICHAEL'S MORE IN

MICHAEL'S MORE IN
STORY IN "TIME MAGAZINE."

STORY IN "TIME MAGAZINE."
>> WE HAVE TO LEAVE TO GIVE YOU

>> WE HAVE TO LEAVE TO GIVE YOU
A CHANCE TO SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL

A CHANCE TO SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL
PBS STATION.

PBS STATION.
BUT OUR CONVERSATION WILL

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CONTINUE ONLINE ON THE

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AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL FIND MY

AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL FIND MY
TAKE AND WHY 1997 WAS SUCH A BIG

TAKE AND WHY 1997 WAS SUCH A BIG
YEAR FOR "WASHINGTON WEEK."

YEAR FOR "WASHINGTON WEEK."

WE'RE ACCEPTING BIRTHDAY WISHES.
WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.

WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.
GOOD NIGHT.