GWEN: THE GROUND IS SHIFTING IN
UKRAINE ON GAY RIGHTS AND
CONGRESS AND IN SOCIETY.
UKRAINE ON GAY RIGHTS AND
CONGRESS AND IN SOCIETY.
WE EXPLORE IT ALL TONIGHT ON
CONGRESS AND IN SOCIETY.
WE EXPLORE IT ALL TONIGHT ON
"WASHINGTON WEEK."
WE EXPLORE IT ALL TONIGHT ON
"WASHINGTON WEEK."
>> ANY VIOLATION OF UKRAINE'S
"WASHINGTON WEEK."
>> ANY VIOLATION OF UKRAINE'S
SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL
>> ANY VIOLATION OF UKRAINE'S
SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL
INTEGRITY WOULD BE DEEPLY
SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL
INTEGRITY WOULD BE DEEPLY
DISABLING WHICH WOULD NOT BE IN
INTEGRITY WOULD BE DEEPLY
DISABLING WHICH WOULD NOT BE IN
THE INTEREST OF UKRAINE, RUSSIA
DISABLING WHICH WOULD NOT BE IN
THE INTEREST OF UKRAINE, RUSSIA
OR EUROPE.
THE INTEREST OF UKRAINE, RUSSIA
OR EUROPE.
>> WE BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY
OR EUROPE.
>> WE BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY
NEEDS TO STEP BACK AND AVOID ANY
>> WE BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY
NEEDS TO STEP BACK AND AVOID ANY
PROVOCATION.
NEEDS TO STEP BACK AND AVOID ANY
PROVOCATION.
>> THE SECRETARY OF STATE MEANS
PROVOCATION.
>> THE SECRETARY OF STATE MEANS
RUSSIA.
>> THE SECRETARY OF STATE MEANS
RUSSIA.
AS TENSIONS ESCALATE IN UKRAINE.
RUSSIA.
AS TENSIONS ESCALATE IN UKRAINE.
THE STANDOFF IS LOOKING MORE
AS TENSIONS ESCALATE IN UKRAINE.
THE STANDOFF IS LOOKING MORE
. LD WAR
ARIZONA LOOKS AT THE DEBATES
WHETHER ONE GROUP CAN VIOLATE
WHETHER ONE GROUP CAN VIOLATE
THE OTHER'S.
THE OTHER'S.
IN WASHINGTON, CONGRESSIONAL
IN WASHINGTON, CONGRESSIONAL
BRAIN DRAIN AFTER ONE SERVING
BRAIN DRAIN AFTER ONE SERVING
MEMBER AFTER ANOTHER OPTS OUT.
MEMBER AFTER ANOTHER OPTS OUT.
>> I HAVE FOUND GREAT
>> I HAVE FOUND GREAT
SA THIS COUNTRY.
SA THIS COUNTRY.
GWEN: AND AT THE WHITE HOUSE,
GWEN: AND AT THE WHITE HOUSE,
THE PRESIDENT REACHES OUT TO THE
THE PRESIDENT REACHES OUT TO THE
PRIVATE SECTOR TO ADDRESS PUBLIC
PRIVATE SECTOR TO ADDRESS PUBLIC
ILL.
ILL.
>> I SEE MYSELF IN THESE YOUNG
>> I SEE MYSELF IN THESE YOUNG
MEN.
MEN.
AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT
AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT
I GREW UP IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT
I GREW UP IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT
IS A LITTLE BIT MORE FORGIVING.
IS A LITTLE BIT MORE FORGIVING.
GWEN: LAUNCHING A NEW EFFORT TO
GWEN: LAUNCHING A NEW EFFORT TO
HELP YOUNG MEN AND BOYS OF
HELP YOUNG MEN AND BOYS OF
COLOR.
COLOR.
COVERING THE WEEK PETE WILLIAMS
COVERING THE WEEK PETE WILLIAMS
OF NBC NEWS.
OF NBC NEWS.
ED O'KEEFE OF "THE WASHINGTON
ED O'KEEFE OF "THE WASHINGTON
POST."
POST."
AND MICHAEL SHEERER OF "TIME"
AND MICHAEL SHEERER OF "TIME"
MAGAZINE.
MAGAZINE.
>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND
>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND
ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS IT
ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS IT
HAPPENS.
HAPPENS.
LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL,
LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL,
THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH
THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH
GWEN IFILL.
>> ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM
WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN
WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN
GOOD EVENING.
GOOD EVENING.
WE START TONIGHT WITH AN UPDATE
WE START TONIGHT WITH AN UPDATE
ON UKRAINE WHERE AN EAST-WEST
ON UKRAINE WHERE AN EAST-WEST
DIVIDE IS GROWING AND UNCERTAIN
DIVIDE IS GROWING AND UNCERTAIN
GOVERNMENT HAS FORMED.
GOVERNMENT HAS FORMED.
AND OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
AND OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
OFFICIALS SUGGEST RUSSIA HAS
OFFICIALS SUGGEST RUSSIA HAS
TROOPS ON THE GROUND.
TROOPS ON THE GROUND.
THE PRESIDENT TODAY ISSUED HIS
THE PRESIDENT TODAY ISSUED HIS
STERNEST WARNING YET.
STERNEST WARNING YET.
>> JUST BEFORE THE WORLD CAME
>> JUST BEFORE THE WORLD CAME
TOGETHER FOR THE OLYMPIC GAMES
TOGETHER FOR THE OLYMPIC GAMES
IT WOULD INVITE THE CON DEN
IT WOULD INVITE THE CON DEN
NATION OF NATIONS AROUND THE
NATION OF NATIONS AROUND THE
WORLD.
WORLD.
AND INDEED THE UNITED STATES
AND INDEED THE UNITED STATES
WILL STAND WITH THE
WILL STAND WITH THE
INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IN
INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IN
AFFIRMING THERE WILL BE COST FOR
AFFIRMING THERE WILL BE COST FOR
ANY MILITARY INTERVENTION IN
ANY MILITARY INTERVENTION IN
UKRAINE.
UKRAINE.
GWEN: EVEN BEFORE THE PRESIDENT
GWEN: EVEN BEFORE THE PRESIDENT
SPOKE, THE U.N. WAS STEPPING UP
SPOKE, THE U.N. WAS STEPPING UP
ITS CRITICISM.
ITS CRITICISM.
>> THERE ARE ENOUGH TENSIONS
>> THERE ARE ENOUGH TENSIONS
THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR
THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR
EVERYBODY TO BE EXTREMELY
EVERYBODY TO BE EXTREMELY
CAREFUL NOT TO INFLAME THE
CAREFUL NOT TO INFLAME THE
SITUATION AND NOT TO SEND THE
SITUATION AND NOT TO SEND THE
WRONG MESSAGES.
WRONG MESSAGES.
GWEN: I SPOKE ABOUT THAT EARLIER
GWEN: I SPOKE ABOUT THAT EARLIER
TODAY FROM THE BLOOMBERG NEWS
TODAY FROM THE BLOOMBERG NEWS
WASHINGTON BUREAU.
WASHINGTON BUREAU.
ENDIRA, WELCOME.
ENDIRA, WELCOME.
EN JOHN KERRY SAYS BEWARE OF
EN JOHN KERRY SAYS BEWARE OF
MESSAGES, WHAT HE' ARE -- WHAT'S
MESSAGES, WHAT HE' ARE -- WHAT'S
HE MEAN?
HE MEAN?
>> THAT'S TRYING TO PUT ON THE
>> THAT'S TRYING TO PUT ON THE
RECORD FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO
RECORD FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO
HEAR THAT THE UNITED STATES DOES
HEAR THAT THE UNITED STATES DOES
NOT WANT RUSSIA TO HAVE A
NOT WANT RUSSIA TO HAVE A
MILITARY INTERVENTION HERE.
MILITARY INTERVENTION HERE.
THIS HAS ECHOS OF THE
THIS HAS ECHOS OF THE
INTERVENTION BY RUSSIA IN
INTERVENTION BY RUSSIA IN
GEORGIA.
GEORGIA.
THE SAME KIND OF LANGUAGE
THE SAME KIND OF LANGUAGE
PRECEEDED THAT WITH RUSSIA
PRECEEDED THAT WITH RUSSIA
TALKING ABOUT HOW IT WAS IN ITS
TALKING ABOUT HOW IT WAS IN ITS
NATIONAL INTEREST AT STAKE.
NATIONAL INTEREST AT STAKE.
SO THE U.S. DOES NOT WANT TO SEE
SO THE U.S. DOES NOT WANT TO SEE
THAT HAPPEN NEITHER DOES THE
THAT HAPPEN NEITHER DOES THE
E.U.
E.U.
GWEN: THIS IS ABOUT A CONFLICT
GWEN: THIS IS ABOUT A CONFLICT
INVOLVING EUROPE AND RUSSIA.
INVOLVING EUROPE AND RUSSIA.
INCREASELY IT INVOLVES U.S. AN
INCREASELY IT INVOLVES U.S. AN
RUSSIA.
RUSSIA.
IS THAT A CORRECT READING?
IS THAT A CORRECT READING?
>> A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE JUMPED
>> A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE JUMPED
ON THIS AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT
ON THIS AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT
THEY'RE CALLING A NEW COLD WAR.
THEY'RE CALLING A NEW COLD WAR.
IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE LENS
IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE LENS
THROUGH WHICH YOU'RE LOOKING AND
THROUGH WHICH YOU'RE LOOKING AND
WE'VE SEEN SOME EDITORIAL PAGES
WE'VE SEEN SOME EDITORIAL PAGES
WASHINGTON TALK ABOUT THAT, A
WASHINGTON TALK ABOUT THAT, A
NEW COLD WAR.
NEW COLD WAR.
THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS VERY
THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS VERY
KEEN TO GET AWAY FROM THAT
KEEN TO GET AWAY FROM THAT
NOTION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
NOTION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
WHY?
WHY?
BECAUSE OBAMA KNOWS THAT HE
BECAUSE OBAMA KNOWS THAT HE
NEEDS PUTIN AND RUSSIA'S SUPPORT
NEEDS PUTIN AND RUSSIA'S SUPPORT
ON OTHER KEY INTERNATIONAL
ON OTHER KEY INTERNATIONAL
ISSUES LIKE IRAN, LIKE SYRIA,
ISSUES LIKE IRAN, LIKE SYRIA,
LIKE NORTH KOREA.
LIKE NORTH KOREA.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BURN ALLAME
THEY DON'T WANT TO BURN ALLAME
KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS
KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS
TO CORPORATE.
TO CORPORATE.
AND THAT MEANS THAT AN I.M.F.
AND THAT MEANS THAT AN I.M.F.
BAILOUT PACKAGE WOULD HOPEFULLY
BAILOUT PACKAGE WOULD HOPEFULLY
BE PAIRED WITH RUSSIAN LONE
BE PAIRED WITH RUSSIAN LONE
ASSISTANCE AS WELL AND THE U.S.
ASSISTANCE AS WELL AND THE U.S.
$1 BILLION. TS OWN
$1 BILLION. TS OWN
AS JOHN KERRY SAID THIS ISN'T
AS JOHN KERRY SAID THIS ISN'T
"ROCKY IV."
"ROCKY IV."
HE'S TRYING TO MAKE THE POINT
HE'S TRYING TO MAKE THE POINT
THIS IS NOT A NEW COLD WAR.
THIS IS NOT A NEW COLD WAR.
GWEN: ARE THERE DOLLAR SIGNS
GWEN: ARE THERE DOLLAR SIGNS
ATTACHED TO THIS CONFLICT?
ATTACHED TO THIS CONFLICT?
>> VERY MUCH SO.
>> VERY MUCH SO.
I MEAN, THE UKRAINIAN ECONOMY IS
I MEAN, THE UKRAINIAN ECONOMY IS
IN CRISIS.
IN CRISIS.
INVESTORS ARE PULLING OUT.
INVESTORS ARE PULLING OUT.
THE GOVERNMENT HAS SAID THAT IT
THE GOVERNMENT HAS SAID THAT IT
NEEDS $35 BILLION IN BAILOUTS TO
NEEDS $35 BILLION IN BAILOUTS TO
KEEP ITS ECONOMY AFLOAT.
KEEP ITS ECONOMY AFLOAT.
THEN LATER THEY SAID THAT'S FOR
THEN LATER THEY SAID THAT'S FOR
TWO YEARS.
TWO YEARS.
THEY NEED AT LEAST $15 BILLION
THEY NEED AT LEAST $15 BILLION
FOR THE FIRST YEAR FROM THE
FOR THE FIRST YEAR FROM THE
I.M.F.
I.M.F.
THE I.M.F. IS DOING SOME
THE I.M.F. IS DOING SOME
FACT-FINDING AND FIGURE OUT
FACT-FINDING AND FIGURE OUT
WHAT'S POSSIBLE BUT THE I.M.F.
WHAT'S POSSIBLE BUT THE I.M.F.
HAS BEEN BURNED TWICE ALREADY.
HAS BEEN BURNED TWICE ALREADY.
SINCE 2008, THE TWO PREVIOUS
SINCE 2008, THE TWO PREVIOUS
GOVERNMENTS BOTH DID NOT KEEP UP
GOVERNMENTS BOTH DID NOT KEEP UP
EIR END OF THE AUSTERITY
EIR END OF THE AUSTERITY
BARGAIN.
BARGAIN.
AND THE CURRENT ONE ADMITTED
AND THE CURRENT ONE ADMITTED
HAT IT COULD BE A VERY
HAT IT COULD BE A VERY
POLITICAL KAMIKAZE MOVE.
POLITICAL KAMIKAZE MOVE.
GWEN: WHO CARRYS THE WEIGHT IN
GWEN: WHO CARRYS THE WEIGHT IN
THIS ARGUMENTS?
THIS ARGUMENTS?
RUSSIA?
RUSSIA?
THE U.S.?
THE U.S.?
E.U.?
E.U.?
ARE WE EXPECTING ANOTHER SUITER?
ARE WE EXPECTING ANOTHER SUITER?
>> THAT'S THE $15 BILLION
>> THAT'S THE $15 BILLION
QUESTION, RIGHT?
QUESTION, RIGHT?
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUNTRY
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUNTRY
THAT SITS IN A VERY KEY
THAT SITS IN A VERY KEY
STRATEGIC PLACE.
STRATEGIC PLACE.
ON THE BORDER OF RUSSIA ON ONE
ON THE BORDER OF RUSSIA ON ONE
SIDE.
SIDE.
ON THE BORDER OF NATO ON THE
ON THE BORDER OF NATO ON THE
OTHER SIDE.
OTHER SIDE.
THE WHOLE THING THAT
THE WHOLE THING THAT
PRECIPITATED THIS IS THE
PRECIPITATED THIS IS THE
GOVERNMENT PULLED OUT THAT WAS
GOVERNMENT PULLED OUT THAT WAS
SUPPOSED TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH
SUPPOSED TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH
THEM LAST YEAR THAT WOULD HAVE
THEM LAST YEAR THAT WOULD HAVE
ALLOWED THEM TO SEEK MEMBERSHIP
ALLOWED THEM TO SEEK MEMBERSHIP
OF THE E.U. AND HE DECIDED TO
OF THE E.U. AND HE DECIDED TO
BACK OUT YANOKOVIC AND DECIDED
BACK OUT YANOKOVIC AND DECIDED
TO ALLY HIMSELF WITH RUSSIA.
TO ALLY HIMSELF WITH RUSSIA.
A LOT OF PEOPLE IT'S RIGHT THERE
A LOT OF PEOPLE IT'S RIGHT THERE
AT THE SEAM OF EUROPE AND IT'S
AT THE SEAM OF EUROPE AND IT'S
VERY KEEN WHICH WAY IT WORKS.
VERY KEEN WHICH WAY IT WORKS.
OUR KEY CRITICAL GAS PIPELINES
OUR KEY CRITICAL GAS PIPELINES
THROUGH WHICH HALF OF THE GAS
THROUGH WHICH HALF OF THE GAS
THAT RUSSIA EXPORTS THROUGH
THAT RUSSIA EXPORTS THROUGH
EUROPE GOES THROUGH THOSE
EUROPE GOES THROUGH THOSE
PIPELINES THROUGH THE UKRAINE.
PIPELINES THROUGH THE UKRAINE.
THERE ARE MONEY ISSUE, GOOD
THERE ARE MONEY ISSUE, GOOD
GEO POLITICAL --
GEO POLITICAL --
ISSUES.
ISSUES.
GWEN: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US
GWEN: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US
TONIGHT.
TONIGHT.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
>> WHEN IT COMES TO EXPANDING
>> WHEN IT COMES TO EXPANDING
RIGHTS FOR GAYS AND LESBIANS,
RIGHTS FOR GAYS AND LESBIANS,
THERE WAS A BIG VETO IN ARIZONA.
THERE WAS A BIG VETO IN ARIZONA.
A GAY MARRIAGE RULING IN TEXAS
A GAY MARRIAGE RULING IN TEXAS
AND NEW GUIDANCE FROM THE U.S.
AND NEW GUIDANCE FROM THE U.S.
ATTORNEY GENERAL.
ATTORNEY GENERAL.
IN ARIZONA JANUARY BREWER KILLED
IN ARIZONA JANUARY BREWER KILLED
A MEASURE THAT WOULD HAVE
A MEASURE THAT WOULD HAVE
ALLOWED BUSINESSES TO USE
ALLOWED BUSINESSES TO USE
RELIGIOUS BELIEF AS A DEFENSE
RELIGIOUS BELIEF AS A DEFENSE
AGAINST DISCRIMINATION LAWSUITS.
AGAINST DISCRIMINATION LAWSUITS.
>> I SINCERELY BELIEF THAT
>> I SINCERELY BELIEF THAT
SENATE BILL 1062 HAS THE
SENATE BILL 1062 HAS THE
POTENTIAL TO CREATE MORE
POTENTIAL TO CREATE MORE
PROBLEMS THAN IT PRO PORTS TO
PROBLEMS THAN IT PRO PORTS TO
SOLVE.
SOLVE.
I COULD DIVIDE ARIZONA IN WAYS
I COULD DIVIDE ARIZONA IN WAYS
YOU COULD NOT EVEN IMAGINE AND
YOU COULD NOT EVEN IMAGINE AND
NO ONE WOULD EVER WANT.
NO ONE WOULD EVER WANT.
GWEN: BUT EVEN THOUGH THIS IS
GWEN: BUT EVEN THOUGH THIS IS
GAY RIGHT DEBATE, THE ROOTS OF
GAY RIGHT DEBATE, THE ROOTS OF
THE LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
THE LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
THAT PIECE.
THAT PIECE.
>> IT STARS TWO DECADES AGO WITH
>> IT STARS TWO DECADES AGO WITH
TWO MEN WHO WORKED AT DRUG REHAB
TWO MEN WHO WORKED AT DRUG REHAB
CENTER WHO WERE FIRED FOR
CENTER WHO WERE FIRED FOR
SMOKING PEYOTE AT A NATIVE
SMOKING PEYOTE AT A NATIVE
AMERICAN SURGE SERVICE.
AMERICAN SURGE SERVICE.
THEY SAID IT WAS RITUAL.
THEY SAID IT WAS RITUAL.
SO THE LAWS SHOULDN'T APPLY TO
SO THE LAWS SHOULDN'T APPLY TO
THEM.
THEM.
BUT THE U.S. SUPREME COURT SAYS
BUT THE U.S. SUPREME COURT SAYS
THERE'S NO RELIGIOUS EXCEPTION.
THERE'S NO RELIGIOUS EXCEPTION.
AND THAT INFURIATED CONGRESS
AND THAT INFURIATED CONGRESS
WHICH RESPONDED BYPASSING
WHICH RESPONDED BYPASSING
SOMETHING CALLED THE RELIGIOUS
SOMETHING CALLED THE RELIGIOUS
FREEDOM RESTORATION ACT WHICH
FREEDOM RESTORATION ACT WHICH
BARRED THE GOVERNMENT FROM IN
BARRED THE GOVERNMENT FROM IN
THE PHRASE OF THE LAW
THE PHRASE OF THE LAW
SUBSTANTIALLY BURDENENING
SUBSTANTIALLY BURDENENING
SOMEBODY'S EXERCISE OF RELIGION.
SOMEBODY'S EXERCISE OF RELIGION.
ARIZONA IS ONE OF MANY THAT HAS
ARIZONA IS ONE OF MANY THAT HAS
LAWS LIKE THAT.
LAWS LIKE THAT.
SO WHAT WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS
SO WHAT WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS
ARIZONA LAW IS THAT IT WOULD
ARIZONA LAW IS THAT IT WOULD
HAVE EXPANDED THE LAW TO APPLY
HAVE EXPANDED THE LAW TO APPLY
NOST TO INDIVIDUALS BUT TO
NOST TO INDIVIDUALS BUT TO
BUSINESSS THAT GET SUED BY
BUSINESSS THAT GET SUED BY
SOMEONE IN A PRIVATE LAWSUIT,
SOMEONE IN A PRIVATE LAWSUIT,
SOMEONE THAT THEY REFUSE TO
SOMEONE THAT THEY REFUSE TO
SERVE AND WHAT GOT THE SPONSORS
SERVE AND WHAT GOT THE SPONSORS
OF THE BILL CONCERNED WAS A
OF THE BILL CONCERNED WAS A
DECISION LAST YEAR IN
DECISION LAST YEAR IN
NEIGHBORING NEW MEXICO WHEN THE
NEIGHBORING NEW MEXICO WHEN THE
SUPREME COURT THERE RULED
SUPREME COURT THERE RULED
AGAINST A BE QUEER KEY
AGAINST A BE QUEER KEY
PHOTOGRAPHERS WHO REFUSED TO
PHOTOGRAPHERS WHO REFUSED TO
PHOTOGRAPH THE CEREMONY OF TWO
PHOTOGRAPH THE CEREMONY OF TWO
WOMEN.
WOMEN.
AND THIS IS EXACTLY AT THE HEART
AND THIS IS EXACTLY AT THE HEART
OF THE CHALLENGE TO THE
OF THE CHALLENGE TO THE
OBAMACARE LAW THAT THE SUPREME
OBAMACARE LAW THAT THE SUPREME
COURT WILL HEAR NEXT MONTH.
COURT WILL HEAR NEXT MONTH.
>> GWEN RATTLED OFF THIS WEEK'S
>> GWEN RATTLED OFF THIS WEEK'S
DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS.
DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS.
YOU'VE GOT FIGHTS IN STATE
YOU'VE GOT FIGHTS IN STATE
HOUSES AND IN COURTHOUSES.
HOUSES AND IN COURTHOUSES.
WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON?
WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON?
>> A TEXAS JUDGE BECAME THE
>> A TEXAS JUDGE BECAME THE
LATEST TO STRIKE DOWN A BAN ON
LATEST TO STRIKE DOWN A BAN ON
SAME SEX MARRIAGE SAYING THAT
SAME SEX MARRIAGE SAYING THAT
IT'S -- THERE'S NO GOOD REASON
IT'S -- THERE'S NO GOOD REASON
TO DO THAT.
TO DO THAT.
GWEN: HOW MANY STATES HAVE DONE
GWEN: HOW MANY STATES HAVE DONE
THAT?
THAT?
>> IN TERMS OF COURT ACTION, SIX
>> IN TERMS OF COURT ACTION, SIX
OR SEVEN.
OR SEVEN.
WE HAVE 17 STATES IN WHICH SAME
WE HAVE 17 STATES IN WHICH SAME
SEX MARRIAGE IS ALLOWED.
SEX MARRIAGE IS ALLOWED.
WE HAVE A TRIAL THAT STARRED
WE HAVE A TRIAL THAT STARRED
THIS WEEK IN MICHIGAN OVER ITS
THIS WEEK IN MICHIGAN OVER ITS
BAN.
BAN.
AND JUST THIS WEEK A KENTUCKY
AND JUST THIS WEEK A KENTUCKY
JUDGE MADE HIS RULING FINAL
JUDGE MADE HIS RULING FINAL
WHILE KENTUCKY DOES NOT HAVE TO
WHILE KENTUCKY DOES NOT HAVE TO
ALLOW SAME SEX MARRIAGES TO BE
ALLOW SAME SEX MARRIAGES TO BE
PERFORMED, IT HAS TO BE
PERFORMED, IT HAS TO BE
RECOGNIZED MARRIAGES IN OTHER
RECOGNIZED MARRIAGES IN OTHER
STATES.
STATES.
>> HOW IS ERIC HOLDER GETTING
>> HOW IS ERIC HOLDER GETTING
INVOLVED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS?
INVOLVED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS?
>> HE GAVE A VERY INTERESTING
>> HE GAVE A VERY INTERESTING
SPEECH BEFORE THE NATIONAL OF
SPEECH BEFORE THE NATIONAL OF
ASSOCIATION OF ATTORNEYS
ASSOCIATION OF ATTORNEYS
GENERAL.
GENERAL.
HE THINKS THAT ANY LAW THAT
HE THINKS THAT ANY LAW THAT
SHOULD BE IONS ON IT
SHOULD BE IONS ON IT
SUSPICIOUS.
SUSPICIOUS.
NOW, HE DIDN'T TELL THE
NOW, HE DIDN'T TELL THE
ATTORNEYS GENERAL YOU SHOULD DO
ATTORNEYS GENERAL YOU SHOULD DO
THAT TOO BUT THAT WAS SORT OF
THAT TOO BUT THAT WAS SORT OF
THE MESSAGE.
THE MESSAGE.
GWEN: BUT ISN'T IT WEIRD TO HAVE
GWEN: BUT ISN'T IT WEIRD TO HAVE
THE NATION'S CHIEF ENFORCEMENT
THE NATION'S CHIEF ENFORCEMENT
OFFICERS TO ADVISE OTHER
OFFICERS TO ADVISE OTHER
OFFICERS DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT,
OFFICERS DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT,
JUST LET IT GO?
JUST LET IT GO?
>> MANY OF THEM THOUGHT SO.
>> MANY OF THEM THOUGHT SO.
MANY WERE SPEECH
MANY WERE SPEECH
AFTERWARDS.
AFTERWARDS.
THIS IS WHAT HE DID WHEN THE
THIS IS WHAT HE DID WHEN THE
ADMINISTRATION HAD TO DECIDE
ADMINISTRATION HAD TO DECIDE
WHETHER TO DEFEND IN COURT THE
WHETHER TO DEFEND IN COURT THE
DEFENSE IN MARRIAGE ACT.
DEFENSE IN MARRIAGE ACT.
THERE ARE LOTS OF EXAMPLES WHERE
THERE ARE LOTS OF EXAMPLES WHERE
U.S. AN STATE ATTORNEYS GENERAL
U.S. AN STATE ATTORNEYS GENERAL
HAVE DECLINED TO DEFEND LAWS
HAVE DECLINED TO DEFEND LAWS
THAT THEY THINK IS
THAT THEY THINK IS
UNCONSTITUTION.
UNCONSTITUTION.
>> DOES HE HAVE A LOT OF SWAY
>> DOES HE HAVE A LOT OF SWAY
WITH ATTORNEYS GENERALS?
WITH ATTORNEYS GENERALS?
> TO SOME EXTENT HIS REMARKS
> TO SOME EXTENT HIS REMARKS
WAS REMARKING ON SOMETHING
WAS REMARKING ON SOMETHING
THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED.
THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED.
STATES ATTORNEYS GENERAL HAVE
STATES ATTORNEYS GENERAL HAVE
DECLINED TO DEFEND THE LAW.
DECLINED TO DEFEND THE LAW.
O SO TO SOME EXTENT THEY ARE
O SO TO SOME EXTENT THEY ARE
KIND OF ON A ROLL.
KIND OF ON A ROLL.
GWEN: WILL THIS BARREL STRAIGHT
GWEN: WILL THIS BARREL STRAIGHT
TO THE SUPREME COURT?
TO THE SUPREME COURT?
>> WELL, WE'LL SEE.
>> WELL, WE'LL SEE.
SO FAR MOST OF THESE LAWS ARE
SO FAR MOST OF THESE LAWS ARE
STRIKING THE BANS DOWN.
STRIKING THE BANS DOWN.
THE MAIN REASON THE SUPREME
THE MAIN REASON THE SUPREME
COURT WOULD TAKE A CASE IF
COURT WOULD TAKE A CASE IF
THERE'S A SPLIT AMONG THE COURTS
THERE'S A SPLIT AMONG THE COURTS
OR CIRCUITS WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF
OR CIRCUITS WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF
THAT DEVELOPS.
THAT DEVELOPS.
GWEN: JOHN DINGELL SPENT SIX
GWEN: JOHN DINGELL SPENT SIX
DECADES IN CONGRESS.
DECADES IN CONGRESS.
PRECEED HIM
PRECEED HIM
SERVED TWO.
SERVED TWO.
BUT MANY SAY IT'S NOT FUN
BUT MANY SAY IT'S NOT FUN
ANYMORE.
ANYMORE.
>> THE PRESIDENT SHOULD NOT HAVE
>> THE PRESIDENT SHOULD NOT HAVE
TO TELL THE OTHER VETS FIGHTING
TO TELL THE OTHER VETS FIGHTING
THAT YOU CANNOT DO ILTS TESTS,
THAT YOU CANNOT DO ILTS TESTS,
HE WILL DO IT BY EXECUTIVE
HE WILL DO IT BY EXECUTIVE
ORDER.
ORDER.
THAT IS NOT THE WAY THE COUNTRY
THAT IS NOT THE WAY THE COUNTRY
IS RUN.
IS RUN.
GWEN: ALL TOLD, THE RETIREMENT
GWEN: ALL TOLD, THE RETIREMENT
OF DINGELL AND OTHERS SO FAR ADD
OF DINGELL AND OTHERS SO FAR ADD
UP TO ABOUT 300 YEARS OF
UP TO ABOUT 300 YEARS OF
CONGRESSIONAL EXPERIENCE.
CONGRESSIONAL EXPERIENCE.
SO THIS IS A BIG SHIFT OR NOT,
SO THIS IS A BIG SHIFT OR NOT,
ED?
ED?
>> IT IS AND IT CONTINUE AS
>> IT IS AND IT CONTINUE AS
TREND THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR
TREND THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR
THE PAST FEW YEAR WHERE IS THE
THE PAST FEW YEAR WHERE IS THE
OLDER GENERATIONS OF LAWMAKER
OLDER GENERATIONS OF LAWMAKER
WHO ARE TOTALLY NOT ACCUSTOM THE
WHO ARE TOTALLY NOT ACCUSTOM THE
SAYING FORGET
SAYING FORGET
IT.
IT.
THE FACT THAT YOU SAW REALLY THE
THE FACT THAT YOU SAW REALLY THE
DEAN -- HE RIDES AROUND IN A
DEAN -- HE RIDES AROUND IN A
MOTORIZED SCOOTER THAT SAYS "THE
MOTORIZED SCOOTER THAT SAYS "THE
DEAN" ON IT BASICALLY SAID THAT
DEAN" ON IT BASICALLY SAID THAT
IT'S OBNOXIOUS UP THERE.
IT'S OBNOXIOUS UP THERE.
CONSIDERING THE FACT HE CAME TOP
CONSIDERING THE FACT HE CAME TOP
THE OFFICE IN 1955.
THE OFFICE IN 1955.
12 DAYS AFTER ROSA PARKS REFUSED
12 DAYS AFTER ROSA PARKS REFUSED
TO GIVE UP HER SEAT ON THAT
TO GIVE UP HER SEAT ON THAT
BIRMINGHAMMINGHAM BUS.
BIRMINGHAMMINGHAM BUS.
AND HE WAS IN OFFICE 12 YEARS
AND HE WAS IN OFFICE 12 YEARS
BEFORE THIS SHOW STARTED.
BEFORE THIS SHOW STARTED.
[LAUGHTER]
[LAUGHTER]
>> AND HE MADE A REALLY
>> AND HE MADE A REALLY
INTERESTING COMMENT TO BLOOMBERG
INTERESTING COMMENT TO BLOOMBERG
NEWS WHERE HE SAID THE PRESIDENT
NEWS WHERE HE SAID THE PRESIDENT
HE MOST ADMIRED WAS LYNDON
HE MOST ADMIRED WAS LYNDON
JOHNSON AND HE CONSIDERS NEWT
JOHNSON AND HE CONSIDERS NEWT
GINGRICH A VERY CLOSE FRIEND.
GINGRICH A VERY CLOSE FRIEND.
MOST OF HIS COLLEAGUES WOULD
MOST OF HIS COLLEAGUES WOULD
TURN THEIR, YOU KNOW, WOULD FIND
TURN THEIR, YOU KNOW, WOULD FIND
THAT VERY ODD AND FRANKLY READ
THAT VERY ODD AND FRANKLY READ
ABOUT THOSE GUYS IN TEXTBOOKS.
ABOUT THOSE GUYS IN TEXTBOOKS.
>> IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE
>> IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE
ERA OF BIPARTISAN THAT I GUESS
ERA OF BIPARTISAN THAT I GUESS
HE GREW UP IN.
HE GREW UP IN.
WHAT'S THE TALLY NOW.
WHAT'S THE TALLY NOW.
HOW MANY PEOPLE WITH THAT KIND
HOW MANY PEOPLE WITH THAT KIND
OF EXPERIENCE ARE HEADING --
OF EXPERIENCE ARE HEADING --
>> HE'S ONE OF 32 MEMBERS IN THE
>> HE'S ONE OF 32 MEMBERS IN THE
SENATE SO FAR SAYING I'M
SENATE SO FAR SAYING I'M
RETIRING.
RETIRING.
NOT RUNNING FOR A HIGHER OFFICE
NOT RUNNING FOR A HIGHER OFFICE
BUT LEAVING ENTIRELY.
BUT LEAVING ENTIRELY.
THAT'S A COMBINED 660 YEARS OF
THAT'S A COMBINED 660 YEARS OF
EXPERIENCE BETWEEN THE HOUSE
EXPERIENCE BETWEEN THE HOUSE
LAWMAKERS AND THE SENATE.
LAWMAKERS AND THE SENATE.
IT'S CLOSE TO THE 700 IF YOU ADD
IT'S CLOSE TO THE 700 IF YOU ADD
THE HOUSE EXPERIENCE THAT SOME
THE HOUSE EXPERIENCE THAT SOME
OF THOSE SENATORS HAVE.
OF THOSE SENATORS HAVE.
>> AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT MOST
>> AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT MOST
OF THOSE ARE PEOPLE ARE WORRIED
OF THOSE ARE PEOPLE ARE WORRIED
ABOUT GETTING RE-ELECTED?
ABOUT GETTING RE-ELECTED?
>> NO, IN FACT, MANY OF THEM
>> NO, IN FACT, MANY OF THEM
COME FROM SAFE SEATS.
COME FROM SAFE SEATS.
AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE ON PAR
AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE ON PAR
WITH 2012.
WITH 2012.
WHAT WAS IT?
WHAT WAS IT?
35 THAT YEAR.
35 THAT YEAR.
WE WERE THREE SHORT OF 2012.
WE WERE THREE SHORT OF 2012.
THAT WAVE WAS THE SIGNAL THAT A
THAT WAVE WAS THE SIGNAL THAT A
LOT OF THESE OLDER PEOPLE ARE
LOT OF THESE OLDER PEOPLE ARE
LEAVING.
LEAVING.
YOU'RE LOSING PEOPLE, THE BRAIN
YOU'RE LOSING PEOPLE, THE BRAIN
DRAIN.
DRAIN.
A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE
A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE
CHAIRMAN.
CHAIRMAN.
CARL LEVIN OF ARMED SERVICES,
CARL LEVIN OF ARMED SERVICES,
JAY ROCKEFELLER, MAX BAUCUS WHO
JAY ROCKEFELLER, MAX BAUCUS WHO
IS ON HIS WAY TO BEIJING AND TOM
IS ON HIS WAY TO BEIJING AND TOM
HARD KINSON JOHNSON.
HARD KINSON JOHNSON.
AND IT CREATES A VERY
AND IT CREATES A VERY
INTERESTING DICHOTOMY OF PEOPLE
INTERESTING DICHOTOMY OF PEOPLE
WHO HAVE BEEN SERVING FOR 12 OR
WHO HAVE BEEN SERVING FOR 12 OR
15 YEARS ARE NOW BEING VIEWED AS
15 YEARS ARE NOW BEING VIEWED AS
SENIORS.
SENIORS.
>> THERE ARE 45 SENATORS
>> THERE ARE 45 SENATORS
CURRENTLY SERVING IN THEIR FIRST
CURRENTLY SERVING IN THEIR FIRST
TERM.
TERM.
THAT'S UNPRECEDENTED.
THAT'S UNPRECEDENTED.
>> YOU'VE ALREADY GOT AN
>> YOU'VE ALREADY GOT AN
INSTITUTION THAT'S GOT 12% OF
INSTITUTION THAT'S GOT 12% OF
APPROVAL NATIONWIDE.
APPROVAL NATIONWIDE.
WHEN DOES IT TURN AROUND?
WHEN DOES IT TURN AROUND?
WHEN CAN THE OPTIMISM CLAIM A
WHEN CAN THE OPTIMISM CLAIM A
VICTORY AND SAY THAT CONGRESS
VICTORY AND SAY THAT CONGRESS
WILL BECOME A BETTER
WILL BECOME A BETTER
INSTITUTION?
INSTITUTION?
>> YEAH -- THERE IS GENUINE
>> YEAH -- THERE IS GENUINE
FRUSTRATION I THINK ESPECIALLY
FRUSTRATION I THINK ESPECIALLY
MANY THE SENATE ABOUT THE FACT
MANY THE SENATE ABOUT THE FACT
THAT THEY'RE SITTING AROUND
THAT THEY'RE SITTING AROUND
DOING NOTHING.
DOING NOTHING.
WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME MODEST
WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME MODEST
ATTEMPTS OF THAT IN THE NEXT FEW
ATTEMPTS OF THAT IN THE NEXT FEW
WEEKS.
WEEKS.
THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO MOVE
THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO MOVE
SOME SMALL BALL THINGS RELATED
SOME SMALL BALL THINGS RELATED
TO CHILD CAR, MAYBE SOME
TO CHILD CAR, MAYBE SOME
PROPOSALS ON SENTENCE REFORM.
PROPOSALS ON SENTENCE REFORM.
MODEST ATTEMPTS TO GET --
MODEST ATTEMPTS TO GET --
>> IF YOU BELIEVE IN TERM LIMITS
>> IF YOU BELIEVE IN TERM LIMITS
OR YOU BELIEVE IN FRESH BLOOD
OR YOU BELIEVE IN FRESH BLOOD
AND YOU BELIEVE IN BRINGING IN
AND YOU BELIEVE IN BRINGING IN
-- BREAKING OUT OF THE
-- BREAKING OUT OF THE
STRUCTURES OF WASHINGTON, ISN'T
STRUCTURES OF WASHINGTON, ISN'T
THIS A GOOD THING?
THIS A GOOD THING?
>> YES, IN FACT, IF YOU TALK TO
>> YES, IN FACT, IF YOU TALK TO
OTHER DEMOCRATS, THEY SAY IF
OTHER DEMOCRATS, THEY SAY IF
FILIBUSTER TOTALLY DOESN'T MAKE
FILIBUSTER TOTALLY DOESN'T MAKE
ANY SENSE.
ANY SENSE.
IN A MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY
IN A MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY
WANTS IT DONE AND A MINORITY OF
WANTS IT DONE AND A MINORITY OF
THE SENAT CAN HOLD IT UP, IT
THE SENAT CAN HOLD IT UP, IT
SHOULD BE PUSHED AWAY.
SHOULD BE PUSHED AWAY.
THE OLD BULLS ARE SAYING, WAIT A
THE OLD BULLS ARE SAYING, WAIT A
SECOND THAT VIOLATES HUNDREDS OF
SECOND THAT VIOLATES HUNDREDS OF
CONGRESSIONAL HISTORY.
CONGRESSIONAL HISTORY.
GWEN: WHAT WOULD JOHN DINGELL
GWEN: WHAT WOULD JOHN DINGELL
SAY WERE HIS CHIEF
SAY WERE HIS CHIEF
ACCOMPLISHMENTS?
ACCOMPLISHMENTS?
>> CERTAINLY HIS WORK ON CLEAN
>> CERTAINLY HIS WORK ON CLEAN
-- WHAT IS IT?
-- WHAT IS IT?
THE CLEAN WATER ACT.
THE CLEAN WATER ACT.
WORKING FOR MEDICARE -- THE
WORKING FOR MEDICARE -- THE
HEALTH CARE REFORM, THE BIGGEST
HEALTH CARE REFORM, THE BIGGEST
ACHIEVEMENT.
ACHIEVEMENT.
HIS FATHER FOUGHT FOR THAT.
HIS FATHER FOUGHT FOR THAT.
HE SERVED THROUGH ALL THOSE
HE SERVED THROUGH ALL THOSE
DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS WHO TRIED.
DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS WHO TRIED.
THINI K HE WOULD CONSIDER HIS
THINI K HE WOULD CONSIDER HIS
BIGGEST --
BIGGEST --
>> AND NOW HIS WIFE DEBBIE
>> AND NOW HIS WIFE DEBBIE
DINGELL IS RUNNING FOR HIS SEAT.
DINGELL IS RUNNING FOR HIS SEAT.
>> IF SHE SERVES NINE TERMS THAT
>> IF SHE SERVES NINE TERMS THAT
DING LL BE HAVE HOLD THAT SEAT
DING LL BE HAVE HOLD THAT SEAT
FOR 100 YEARS.
FOR 100 YEARS.
GWEN: WOW.
GWEN: WOW.
THE EAST ROOM IN THE WHITE HOUSE
THE EAST ROOM IN THE WHITE HOUSE
-- FULL OF FILL LAN THROW
-- FULL OF FILL LAN THROW
PHILANTHROPISTS.
PHILANTHROPISTS.
IT'S CALLED MY BROTHER'S KEEPER
IT'S CALLED MY BROTHER'S KEEPER
AND IT'S HIS BOLDEST EFFORT YET
AND IT'S HIS BOLDEST EFFORT YET
TO REACH OUTSIDE PARTISAN LINES
TO REACH OUTSIDE PARTISAN LINES
AND THE BAT.
AND THE BAT.
TO ADDRESS WHAT HE CONSIDERS TO
TO ADDRESS WHAT HE CONSIDERS TO
BE IMPORTANT.
BE IMPORTANT.
>> WHILE THERE MIGHT NOT BE MUCH
>> WHILE THERE MIGHT NOT BE MUCH
OF AN APPETITE FOR NEW
OF AN APPETITE FOR NEW
INITIATIVES, WE ALL KNOW WE
INITIATIVES, WE ALL KNOW WE
CAN'T WAIT.
CAN'T WAIT.
AND SO THE GOOD NEWS IS, FOLKS
AND SO THE GOOD NEWS IS, FOLKS
IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHO KNOW
IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHO KNOW
HOW IMPORTANT BOOSTING THE
HOW IMPORTANT BOOSTING THE
ACHIEVEMENT OF YOUNG MEN OF
ACHIEVEMENT OF YOUNG MEN OF
COLOR IS TO THE COUNTRY, THEY
COLOR IS TO THE COUNTRY, THEY
ARE READY TO STEP UP.
ARE READY TO STEP UP.
>> IS THIS APPROACH REACHING
>> IS THIS APPROACH REACHING
OUTSIDE OF CONGRESS, REACHING
OUTSIDE OF CONGRESS, REACHING
OUTSIDE OF THE PROBLEMS IN
OUTSIDE OF THE PROBLEMS IN
WASHINGTON TO STOP THINGS FROM
WASHINGTON TO STOP THINGS FROM
HAPPENING, IS THIS PART OF HIS
HAPPENING, IS THIS PART OF HIS
NEW APPROACH TO LIFE?
NEW APPROACH TO LIFE?
>> IT IS.
>> IT IS.
HE KNOWS HE'S NOW IN HIS FIFTH
HE KNOWS HE'S NOW IN HIS FIFTH
YEAR OR SIXTH YEAR.
YEAR OR SIXTH YEAR.
HE KNOWS THIS TOWN IS NOT
HE KNOWS THIS TOWN IS NOT
WORKING FOR REASONS WE'VE JUST
WORKING FOR REASONS WE'VE JUST
DISCUSSED.
DISCUSSED.
AND HE DECIDED LATE LAST YEAR
AND HE DECIDED LATE LAST YEAR
WITH HIS AGE THAT HE'S GOING TO
WITH HIS AGE THAT HE'S GOING TO
MOVE FORWARD ON THE AGENDA WHERE
MOVE FORWARD ON THE AGENDA WHERE
HE DOESN'T NEED CONGRESS AND
HE DOESN'T NEED CONGRESS AND
DOESN'T NEED NEW MONEY.
DOESN'T NEED NEW MONEY.
THEY TALK ABOUT THE PEN AND THE
THEY TALK ABOUT THE PEN AND THE
PHONE IS THE WAY THEY'RE GOING
PHONE IS THE WAY THEY'RE GOING
TO REACH OUT TO THE COUNTRY.
TO REACH OUT TO THE COUNTRY.
THE PRESIDENT HAS AN ENORMOUS
THE PRESIDENT HAS AN ENORMOUS
CONVENING ABILITY.
CONVENING ABILITY.
YOU SAW THAT HERE.
YOU SAW THAT HERE.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HE
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HE
SAID, I THINK, IN THAT ADDRESS
SAID, I THINK, IN THAT ADDRESS
WAS THIS ISSUE OF YOUNG MEN OF
WAS THIS ISSUE OF YOUNG MEN OF
COLOR NOT HAVING THE SAME
COLOR NOT HAVING THE SAME
OPPORTUNITY THAT OTHER YOUNG
OPPORTUNITY THAT OTHER YOUNG
PEOPLE HAVE IS AS IMPORTANT A
PEOPLE HAVE IS AS IMPORTANT A
NATIONAL ISSUE WITH ANY ISSUE I
NATIONAL ISSUE WITH ANY ISSUE I
DEAL WITH.
DEAL WITH.
IT'S A BIG DEAL TO HAVE A
IT'S A BIG DEAL TO HAVE A
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
SAY THAT.
SAY THAT.
AND EVEN IF THE MONEY THAT HE'S
AND EVEN IF THE MONEY THAT HE'S
TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS ABOUT
TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS ABOUT
$200 MILLION OVER THE NEXT TWO
$200 MILLION OVER THE NEXT TWO
YEARS WILL BE FUNNED BY INDUSTRY
YEARS WILL BE FUNNED BY INDUSTRY
AND PHILANTHROPIES.
AND PHILANTHROPIES.
MAY HAVE BEEN SPENT ANYWAY.
MAY HAVE BEEN SPENT ANYWAY.
IT WAS BEING SPENT TO HELP THIS
IT WAS BEING SPENT TO HELP THIS
COMMUNITY.
COMMUNITY.
THE FACT THAT HE IS ELEVATING
THE FACT THAT HE IS ELEVATING
AND THAT HE AS THE FIRST BLACK
AND THAT HE AS THE FIRST BLACK
PRESIDENT CAN SPEAK TO THESE
PRESIDENT CAN SPEAK TO THESE
FAMILIES AND THESE YOUNG MEN
FAMILIES AND THESE YOUNG MEN
ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE MEANS THAT
ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE MEANS THAT
I THINK HE WILL BE ABLE TO PUSH
I THINK HE WILL BE ABLE TO PUSH
THIS SOME AND WE'LL HAVE A
THIS SOME AND WE'LL HAVE A
LITTLE BIT OF A LEGACY.
LITTLE BIT OF A LEGACY.
>> AND WHAT'S GOING COMB DONE
>> AND WHAT'S GOING COMB DONE
WITH THE MONEY?
WITH THE MONEY?
IT'S FOR WHAT?
IT'S FOR WHAT?
>> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS
>> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS
THAT HE I'D TIED AT THIS EVENT.
THAT HE I'D TIED AT THIS EVENT.
>> HE'S GOING TO -- AND THESE
>> HE'S GOING TO -- AND THESE
ARE ALL THINGS ACTUALLY THAT HAD
ARE ALL THINGS ACTUALLY THAT HAD
ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING IN THE
ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING IN THE
PHILANTHROPIC WORLD.
PHILANTHROPIC WORLD.
THERE'S A BIG EFFORT TO GET
THERE'S A BIG EFFORT TO GET
MINORITY FAMILIES TO SPEAK MORE
MINORITY FAMILIES TO SPEAK MORE
WITH THEIR CHILDREN.
WITH THEIR CHILDREN.
THERE IS REAL RESEARCH THAT
THERE IS REAL RESEARCH THAT
SHOWS TODDLER AND MINORITY
SHOWS TODDLER AND MINORITY
FAMILIES, JUST DON'T HEAR AS
FAMILIES, JUST DON'T HEAR AS
MANY WORDS.
MANY WORDS.
THREE MILLION FEWER WORDS THAN
THREE MILLION FEWER WORDS THAN
YOUNG WHITE CHILDREN.
YOUNG WHITE CHILDREN.
THAT MEANS THEY'RE AT A HUGE
THAT MEANS THEY'RE AT A HUGE
DISADVANTAGE WHEN THEY GET TO
DISADVANTAGE WHEN THEY GET TO
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
THERE'S ANOTHER ISSUE OF
THERE'S ANOTHER ISSUE OF
LITERACY.
LITERACY.
THIS COMMUNITY IS NOT READING AS
THIS COMMUNITY IS NOT READING AS
WELL GOING INTO FOURTH GRADE AS
WELL GOING INTO FOURTH GRADE AS
YOUNG WHITE PEOPLE ARE READING.
YOUNG WHITE PEOPLE ARE READING.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUSH
THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUSH
THERE.
THERE.
THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT THE
THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT THE
PRESIDENT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH
PRESIDENT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH
THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION WITH
THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION WITH
ZERO TOLERANCE.
ZERO TOLERANCE.
THERE WAS A DISCIPLINE EFFORT
THERE WAS A DISCIPLINE EFFORT
THAT CAME MUCH THROUGH THE
THAT CAME MUCH THROUGH THE
1990'S AND HAS CONTINUED IN
1990'S AND HAS CONTINUED IN
RECENT YEARS.
RECENT YEARS.
RESEARCH SHOWS THAT THIS AFFECTS
RESEARCH SHOWS THAT THIS AFFECTS
THE COMMUNITY.
THE COMMUNITY.
THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION HAS
THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION HAS
BEEN EDGE COURAGING SCHOOLS TO
BEEN EDGE COURAGING SCHOOLS TO
REVISIT THOSE POLICY.
REVISIT THOSE POLICY.
AND THERE'S A CRIMINAL JUSTICE
AND THERE'S A CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REFORM ELEMENT.
REFORM ELEMENT.
THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF THIS
THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF THIS
COMMUNITY BEING CHANNELED FROM
COMMUNITY BEING CHANNELED FROM
SUSPENSIONS IN SCHOO
SUSPENSIONS IN SCHOO
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IF
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IF
YOU'RE A WHITE SUBURBAN KID AND
YOU'RE A WHITE SUBURBAN KID AND
YOU GET QUATH A LITTLE BIT OF
YOU GET QUATH A LITTLE BIT OF
POT IN YOUR BACKPACK IN YOUR
POT IN YOUR BACKPACK IN YOUR
SCHOOL OR PRIVATE SCHOOL, IT'S
SCHOOL OR PRIVATE SCHOOL, IT'S
NOT CLEAR THAT THE COMES WILL BE
NOT CLEAR THAT THE COMES WILL BE
CALLED --
CALLED --
GWEN: HE SAID HE SPOKE FROM
GWEN: HE SAID HE SPOKE FROM
EXPERIENCE.
EXPERIENCE.
>> HE IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT
>> HE IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT
THAT SAID HE GOT HIGH.
THAT SAID HE GOT HIGH.
>> A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT HE
>> A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT HE
WOULD TALK MORE ABOUT THIS.
WOULD TALK MORE ABOUT THIS.
SOME SURMISED THAT HE WASN'T
SOME SURMISED THAT HE WASN'T
GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT UNTIL HE
GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT UNTIL HE
GOT RE-ELECTED BECAUSE OF THE
GOT RE-ELECTED BECAUSE OF THE
HISTORY.
HISTORY.
WHAT TOOK SO LONG?
WHAT TOOK SO LONG?
AND IS THERE A SENSE THAT HE'S
AND IS THERE A SENSE THAT HE'S
GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN HE
GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN HE
LEAVES OFFICE?
LEAVES OFFICE?
>> THAT POINT IS GOING TO BE
>> THAT POINT IS GOING TO BE
RIGHT.
RIGHT.
THIS IS ONE OF THE ISSUES HE
THIS IS ONE OF THE ISSUES HE
TAKES WITH HIM WHEN HE LEAVES
TAKES WITH HIM WHEN HE LEAVES
OFFICE IN 2007 HE GAVE A SPEECH.
OFFICE IN 2007 HE GAVE A SPEECH.
HE SAID IF YOU ELECT ME,LY BRING
HE SAID IF YOU ELECT ME,LY BRING
A NEW DAWN OF JUSTICE.
A NEW DAWN OF JUSTICE.
HE WILL TAKE ON OTHER ISSUES AND
HE WILL TAKE ON OTHER ISSUES AND
WE'VE GOT THE HEALTH CARE FIGHT,
WE'VE GOT THE HEALTH CARE FIGHT,
THE DEFICIT BATTLE.
THE DEFICIT BATTLE.
HE HAD A VERY DIFFICULT
HE HAD A VERY DIFFICULT
RE-ELECTION.
RE-ELECTION.
JUST A MONTH BEFORE, HE GAVE AN
JUST A MONTH BEFORE, HE GAVE AN
INTERVIEW WITH BLACK ENTERPRISE
INTERVIEW WITH BLACK ENTERPRISE
MAGAZINE HE SAID, I'M NOT THE
MAGAZINE HE SAID, I'M NOT THE
PRESIDENT OF BLACK AMERICA.
PRESIDENT OF BLACK AMERICA.
HE DIDN'T WANT THAT IDEA THAT HE
HE DIDN'T WANT THAT IDEA THAT HE
WAS FAVORING ONE PARTICULAR
WAS FAVORING ONE PARTICULAR
GROUP.
GROUP.
I DID AN INTERVIEW BEFORE THAT
I DID AN INTERVIEW BEFORE THAT
ELECTION.
ELECTION.
AND I FOUND OUT THAT WHEN HE
AND I FOUND OUT THAT WHEN HE
CAME DOWN WITH HIS SENIOR AIDS
CAME DOWN WITH HIS SENIOR AIDS
JUST WEEK BFERS HE GOT
JUST WEEK BFERS HE GOT
RE-ELECTED, HE HAD A YELLOW NOTE
RE-ELECTED, HE HAD A YELLOW NOTE
PAD.
PAD.
EVEN IF THIS WASN'T AN ISSUE, HE
EVEN IF THIS WASN'T AN ISSUE, HE
PUT CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM ON
PUT CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM ON
THERE AND HE STARTED PUSHING --
THERE AND HE STARTED PUSHING --
GWEN: WE'VE GOT TO GO.
GWEN: WE'VE GOT TO GO.
MICHAEL'S MORE IN
MICHAEL'S MORE IN
STORY IN "TIME MAGAZINE."
STORY IN "TIME MAGAZINE."
>> WE HAVE TO LEAVE TO GIVE YOU
>> WE HAVE TO LEAVE TO GIVE YOU
A CHANCE TO SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL
A CHANCE TO SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL
PBS STATION.
PBS STATION.
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TAKE AND WHY 1997 WAS SUCH A BIG
TAKE AND WHY 1997 WAS SUCH A BIG
YEAR FOR "WASHINGTON WEEK."
YEAR FOR "WASHINGTON WEEK."
WE'RE ACCEPTING BIRTHDAY WISHES.
WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.
WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.
GOOD NIGHT.