1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:01:14,978 GWEN: THE GROUND IS SHIFTING IN UKRAINE ON GAY RIGHTS AND CONGRESS AND IN SOCIETY. 2 00:01:14,980 --> 00:01:17,913 UKRAINE ON GAY RIGHTS AND CONGRESS AND IN SOCIETY. WE EXPLORE IT ALL TONIGHT ON 3 00:01:17,915 --> 00:01:18,796 CONGRESS AND IN SOCIETY. WE EXPLORE IT ALL TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK." 4 00:01:18,798 --> 00:01:21,731 WE EXPLORE IT ALL TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK." >> ANY VIOLATION OF UKRAINE'S 5 00:01:21,733 --> 00:01:23,624 "WASHINGTON WEEK." >> ANY VIOLATION OF UKRAINE'S SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL 6 00:01:23,626 --> 00:01:26,433 >> ANY VIOLATION OF UKRAINE'S SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY WOULD BE DEEPLY 7 00:01:26,435 --> 00:01:29,304 SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY WOULD BE DEEPLY DISABLING WHICH WOULD NOT BE IN 8 00:01:29,306 --> 00:01:31,324 INTEGRITY WOULD BE DEEPLY DISABLING WHICH WOULD NOT BE IN THE INTEREST OF UKRAINE, RUSSIA 9 00:01:31,326 --> 00:01:32,113 DISABLING WHICH WOULD NOT BE IN THE INTEREST OF UKRAINE, RUSSIA OR EUROPE. 10 00:01:32,115 --> 00:01:33,438 THE INTEREST OF UKRAINE, RUSSIA OR EUROPE. >> WE BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY 11 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,152 OR EUROPE. >> WE BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO STEP BACK AND AVOID ANY 12 00:01:36,154 --> 00:01:42,684 >> WE BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO STEP BACK AND AVOID ANY PROVOCATION. 13 00:01:42,686 --> 00:01:45,713 NEEDS TO STEP BACK AND AVOID ANY PROVOCATION. >> THE SECRETARY OF STATE MEANS 14 00:01:45,715 --> 00:01:46,029 PROVOCATION. >> THE SECRETARY OF STATE MEANS RUSSIA. 15 00:01:46,031 --> 00:01:48,616 >> THE SECRETARY OF STATE MEANS RUSSIA. AS TENSIONS ESCALATE IN UKRAINE. 16 00:01:48,618 --> 00:01:51,424 RUSSIA. AS TENSIONS ESCALATE IN UKRAINE. THE STANDOFF IS LOOKING MORE 17 00:01:51,426 --> 00:01:58,997 AS TENSIONS ESCALATE IN UKRAINE. THE STANDOFF IS LOOKING MORE . LD WAR 18 00:01:58,999 --> 00:02:03,036 ARIZONA LOOKS AT THE DEBATES WHETHER ONE GROUP CAN VIOLATE 19 00:02:03,038 --> 00:02:03,699 WHETHER ONE GROUP CAN VIOLATE THE OTHER'S. 20 00:02:03,701 --> 00:02:07,170 THE OTHER'S. IN WASHINGTON, CONGRESSIONAL 21 00:02:07,172 --> 00:02:09,505 IN WASHINGTON, CONGRESSIONAL BRAIN DRAIN AFTER ONE SERVING 22 00:02:09,507 --> 00:02:11,272 BRAIN DRAIN AFTER ONE SERVING MEMBER AFTER ANOTHER OPTS OUT. 23 00:02:11,274 --> 00:02:13,291 MEMBER AFTER ANOTHER OPTS OUT. >> I HAVE FOUND GREAT 24 00:02:13,293 --> 00:02:15,154 >> I HAVE FOUND GREAT SA THIS COUNTRY. 25 00:02:15,155 --> 00:02:17,268 SA THIS COUNTRY. GWEN: AND AT THE WHITE HOUSE, 26 00:02:17,270 --> 00:02:19,193 GWEN: AND AT THE WHITE HOUSE, THE PRESIDENT REACHES OUT TO THE 27 00:02:19,195 --> 00:02:22,853 THE PRESIDENT REACHES OUT TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO ADDRESS PUBLIC 28 00:02:22,854 --> 00:02:23,105 PRIVATE SECTOR TO ADDRESS PUBLIC ILL. 29 00:02:23,107 --> 00:02:24,841 ILL. >> I SEE MYSELF IN THESE YOUNG 30 00:02:24,843 --> 00:02:25,093 >> I SEE MYSELF IN THESE YOUNG MEN. 31 00:02:25,095 --> 00:02:26,639 MEN. AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT 32 00:02:26,641 --> 00:02:27,996 AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT I GREW UP IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT 33 00:02:27,998 --> 00:02:30,458 I GREW UP IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE FORGIVING. 34 00:02:30,460 --> 00:02:34,308 IS A LITTLE BIT MORE FORGIVING. GWEN: LAUNCHING A NEW EFFORT TO 35 00:02:34,310 --> 00:02:37,116 GWEN: LAUNCHING A NEW EFFORT TO HELP YOUNG MEN AND BOYS OF 36 00:02:37,118 --> 00:02:38,126 HELP YOUNG MEN AND BOYS OF COLOR. 37 00:02:38,128 --> 00:02:39,167 COLOR. COVERING THE WEEK PETE WILLIAMS 38 00:02:39,169 --> 00:02:41,881 COVERING THE WEEK PETE WILLIAMS OF NBC NEWS. 39 00:02:41,883 --> 00:02:44,153 OF NBC NEWS. ED O'KEEFE OF "THE WASHINGTON 40 00:02:44,155 --> 00:02:44,752 ED O'KEEFE OF "THE WASHINGTON POST." 41 00:02:44,754 --> 00:02:47,656 POST." AND MICHAEL SHEERER OF "TIME" 42 00:02:47,657 --> 00:02:48,539 AND MICHAEL SHEERER OF "TIME" MAGAZINE. 43 00:02:48,541 --> 00:02:50,843 MAGAZINE. >> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND 44 00:02:50,844 --> 00:02:53,398 >> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS IT 45 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:54,377 ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS. 46 00:02:54,379 --> 00:02:57,248 HAPPENS. LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, 47 00:02:57,250 --> 00:03:00,119 LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH 48 00:03:00,121 --> 00:03:01,256 THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH GWEN IFILL. 49 00:03:01,256 --> 00:03:04,094 >> ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN 50 00:03:04,096 --> 00:03:05,135 WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN GOOD EVENING. 51 00:03:05,137 --> 00:03:06,807 GOOD EVENING. WE START TONIGHT WITH AN UPDATE 52 00:03:06,809 --> 00:03:09,836 WE START TONIGHT WITH AN UPDATE ON UKRAINE WHERE AN EAST-WEST 53 00:03:09,838 --> 00:03:11,761 ON UKRAINE WHERE AN EAST-WEST DIVIDE IS GROWING AND UNCERTAIN 54 00:03:11,763 --> 00:03:12,581 DIVIDE IS GROWING AND UNCERTAIN GOVERNMENT HAS FORMED. 55 00:03:12,583 --> 00:03:15,390 GOVERNMENT HAS FORMED. AND OBAMA ADMINISTRATION 56 00:03:15,392 --> 00:03:16,621 AND OBAMA ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS SUGGEST RUSSIA HAS 57 00:03:16,622 --> 00:03:18,293 OFFICIALS SUGGEST RUSSIA HAS TROOPS ON THE GROUND. 58 00:03:18,295 --> 00:03:20,155 TROOPS ON THE GROUND. THE PRESIDENT TODAY ISSUED HIS 59 00:03:20,157 --> 00:03:22,017 THE PRESIDENT TODAY ISSUED HIS STERNEST WARNING YET. 60 00:03:22,019 --> 00:03:23,278 STERNEST WARNING YET. >> JUST BEFORE THE WORLD CAME 61 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:24,982 >> JUST BEFORE THE WORLD CAME TOGETHER FOR THE OLYMPIC GAMES 62 00:03:24,984 --> 00:03:26,781 TOGETHER FOR THE OLYMPIC GAMES IT WOULD INVITE THE CON DEN 63 00:03:26,783 --> 00:03:27,917 IT WOULD INVITE THE CON DEN NATION OF NATIONS AROUND THE 64 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:28,611 NATION OF NATIONS AROUND THE WORLD. 65 00:03:28,613 --> 00:03:29,905 WORLD. AND INDEED THE UNITED STATES 66 00:03:29,907 --> 00:03:31,609 AND INDEED THE UNITED STATES WILL STAND WITH THE 67 00:03:31,611 --> 00:03:32,524 WILL STAND WITH THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IN 68 00:03:32,526 --> 00:03:34,291 INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IN AFFIRMING THERE WILL BE COST FOR 69 00:03:34,293 --> 00:03:36,469 AFFIRMING THERE WILL BE COST FOR ANY MILITARY INTERVENTION IN 70 00:03:36,471 --> 00:03:36,784 ANY MILITARY INTERVENTION IN UKRAINE. 71 00:03:36,786 --> 00:03:38,457 UKRAINE. GWEN: EVEN BEFORE THE PRESIDENT 72 00:03:38,459 --> 00:03:40,192 GWEN: EVEN BEFORE THE PRESIDENT SPOKE, THE U.N. WAS STEPPING UP 73 00:03:40,194 --> 00:03:41,108 SPOKE, THE U.N. WAS STEPPING UP ITS CRITICISM. 74 00:03:41,110 --> 00:03:42,180 ITS CRITICISM. >> THERE ARE ENOUGH TENSIONS 75 00:03:42,182 --> 00:03:44,862 >> THERE ARE ENOUGH TENSIONS THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR 76 00:03:44,864 --> 00:03:46,724 THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY TO BE EXTREMELY 77 00:03:46,726 --> 00:03:48,775 EVERYBODY TO BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL NOT TO INFLAME THE 78 00:03:48,777 --> 00:03:50,574 CAREFUL NOT TO INFLAME THE SITUATION AND NOT TO SEND THE 79 00:03:50,576 --> 00:03:52,435 SITUATION AND NOT TO SEND THE WRONG MESSAGES. 80 00:03:52,437 --> 00:03:55,275 WRONG MESSAGES. GWEN: I SPOKE ABOUT THAT EARLIER 81 00:03:55,277 --> 00:03:56,696 GWEN: I SPOKE ABOUT THAT EARLIER TODAY FROM THE BLOOMBERG NEWS 82 00:03:56,698 --> 00:03:59,094 TODAY FROM THE BLOOMBERG NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU. 83 00:03:59,096 --> 00:04:00,261 WASHINGTON BUREAU. ENDIRA, WELCOME. 84 00:04:00,263 --> 00:04:05,183 ENDIRA, WELCOME. EN JOHN KERRY SAYS BEWARE OF 85 00:04:05,185 --> 00:04:08,908 EN JOHN KERRY SAYS BEWARE OF MESSAGES, WHAT HE' ARE -- WHAT'S 86 00:04:08,909 --> 00:04:09,222 MESSAGES, WHAT HE' ARE -- WHAT'S HE MEAN? 87 00:04:09,224 --> 00:04:10,801 HE MEAN? >> THAT'S TRYING TO PUT ON THE 88 00:04:10,803 --> 00:04:13,009 >> THAT'S TRYING TO PUT ON THE RECORD FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO 89 00:04:13,011 --> 00:04:14,587 RECORD FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO HEAR THAT THE UNITED STATES DOES 90 00:04:14,589 --> 00:04:17,490 HEAR THAT THE UNITED STATES DOES NOT WANT RUSSIA TO HAVE A 91 00:04:17,492 --> 00:04:18,405 NOT WANT RUSSIA TO HAVE A MILITARY INTERVENTION HERE. 92 00:04:18,407 --> 00:04:21,214 MILITARY INTERVENTION HERE. THIS HAS ECHOS OF THE 93 00:04:21,216 --> 00:04:22,286 THIS HAS ECHOS OF THE INTERVENTION BY RUSSIA IN 94 00:04:22,288 --> 00:04:22,602 INTERVENTION BY RUSSIA IN GEORGIA. 95 00:04:22,604 --> 00:04:25,001 GEORGIA. THE SAME KIND OF LANGUAGE 96 00:04:25,002 --> 00:04:26,010 THE SAME KIND OF LANGUAGE PRECEEDED THAT WITH RUSSIA 97 00:04:26,012 --> 00:04:29,796 PRECEEDED THAT WITH RUSSIA TALKING ABOUT HOW IT WAS IN ITS 98 00:04:29,798 --> 00:04:30,680 TALKING ABOUT HOW IT WAS IN ITS NATIONAL INTEREST AT STAKE. 99 00:04:30,682 --> 00:04:32,636 NATIONAL INTEREST AT STAKE. SO THE U.S. DOES NOT WANT TO SEE 100 00:04:32,638 --> 00:04:35,539 SO THE U.S. DOES NOT WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN NEITHER DOES THE 101 00:04:35,541 --> 00:04:35,792 THAT HAPPEN NEITHER DOES THE E.U. 102 00:04:35,794 --> 00:04:39,295 E.U. GWEN: THIS IS ABOUT A CONFLICT 103 00:04:39,297 --> 00:04:41,283 GWEN: THIS IS ABOUT A CONFLICT INVOLVING EUROPE AND RUSSIA. 104 00:04:41,285 --> 00:04:43,176 INVOLVING EUROPE AND RUSSIA. INCREASELY IT INVOLVES U.S. AN 105 00:04:43,178 --> 00:04:43,492 INCREASELY IT INVOLVES U.S. AN RUSSIA. 106 00:04:43,494 --> 00:04:45,069 RUSSIA. IS THAT A CORRECT READING? 107 00:04:45,071 --> 00:04:46,899 IS THAT A CORRECT READING? >> A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE JUMPED 108 00:04:46,901 --> 00:04:48,098 >> A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE JUMPED ON THIS AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT 109 00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:49,961 ON THIS AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THEY'RE CALLING A NEW COLD WAR. 110 00:04:49,962 --> 00:04:51,822 THEY'RE CALLING A NEW COLD WAR. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE LENS 111 00:04:51,824 --> 00:04:52,768 IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE LENS THROUGH WHICH YOU'RE LOOKING AND 112 00:04:52,770 --> 00:04:54,567 THROUGH WHICH YOU'RE LOOKING AND WE'VE SEEN SOME EDITORIAL PAGES 113 00:04:54,569 --> 00:04:56,555 WE'VE SEEN SOME EDITORIAL PAGES WASHINGTON TALK ABOUT THAT, A 114 00:04:56,557 --> 00:04:57,407 WASHINGTON TALK ABOUT THAT, A NEW COLD WAR. 115 00:04:57,409 --> 00:04:59,364 NEW COLD WAR. THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS VERY 116 00:04:59,366 --> 00:05:00,405 THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS VERY KEEN TO GET AWAY FROM THAT 117 00:05:00,407 --> 00:05:01,509 KEEN TO GET AWAY FROM THAT NOTION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 118 00:05:01,511 --> 00:05:02,078 NOTION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. WHY? 119 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,066 WHY? BECAUSE OBAMA KNOWS THAT HE 120 00:05:04,068 --> 00:05:06,937 BECAUSE OBAMA KNOWS THAT HE NEEDS PUTIN AND RUSSIA'S SUPPORT 121 00:05:06,939 --> 00:05:08,167 NEEDS PUTIN AND RUSSIA'S SUPPORT ON OTHER KEY INTERNATIONAL 122 00:05:08,169 --> 00:05:10,913 ON OTHER KEY INTERNATIONAL ISSUES LIKE IRAN, LIKE SYRIA, 123 00:05:10,914 --> 00:05:11,828 ISSUES LIKE IRAN, LIKE SYRIA, LIKE NORTH KOREA. 124 00:05:11,830 --> 00:05:15,551 LIKE NORTH KOREA. THEY DON'T WANT TO BURN ALLAME 125 00:05:15,553 --> 00:05:16,592 THEY DON'T WANT TO BURN ALLAME KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS 126 00:05:16,594 --> 00:05:17,603 KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO CORPORATE. 127 00:05:17,604 --> 00:05:20,285 TO CORPORATE. AND THAT MEANS THAT AN I.M.F. 128 00:05:20,286 --> 00:05:21,326 AND THAT MEANS THAT AN I.M.F. BAILOUT PACKAGE WOULD HOPEFULLY 129 00:05:21,328 --> 00:05:23,377 BAILOUT PACKAGE WOULD HOPEFULLY BE PAIRED WITH RUSSIAN LONE 130 00:05:23,379 --> 00:05:24,418 BE PAIRED WITH RUSSIAN LONE ASSISTANCE AS WELL AND THE U.S. 131 00:05:24,420 --> 00:05:30,856 ASSISTANCE AS WELL AND THE U.S. $1 BILLION. TS OWN 132 00:05:30,857 --> 00:05:33,569 $1 BILLION. TS OWN AS JOHN KERRY SAID THIS ISN'T 133 00:05:33,571 --> 00:05:34,611 AS JOHN KERRY SAID THIS ISN'T "ROCKY IV." 134 00:05:34,613 --> 00:05:37,451 "ROCKY IV." HE'S TRYING TO MAKE THE POINT 135 00:05:37,453 --> 00:05:40,291 HE'S TRYING TO MAKE THE POINT THIS IS NOT A NEW COLD WAR. 136 00:05:40,293 --> 00:05:42,247 THIS IS NOT A NEW COLD WAR. GWEN: ARE THERE DOLLAR SIGNS 137 00:05:42,248 --> 00:05:43,257 GWEN: ARE THERE DOLLAR SIGNS ATTACHED TO THIS CONFLICT? 138 00:05:43,259 --> 00:05:43,698 ATTACHED TO THIS CONFLICT? >> VERY MUCH SO. 139 00:05:43,700 --> 00:05:45,971 >> VERY MUCH SO. I MEAN, THE UKRAINIAN ECONOMY IS 140 00:05:45,973 --> 00:05:47,138 I MEAN, THE UKRAINIAN ECONOMY IS IN CRISIS. 141 00:05:47,140 --> 00:05:48,873 IN CRISIS. INVESTORS ARE PULLING OUT. 142 00:05:48,875 --> 00:05:49,914 INVESTORS ARE PULLING OUT. THE GOVERNMENT HAS SAID THAT IT 143 00:05:49,916 --> 00:05:52,818 THE GOVERNMENT HAS SAID THAT IT NEEDS $35 BILLION IN BAILOUTS TO 144 00:05:52,820 --> 00:05:53,859 NEEDS $35 BILLION IN BAILOUTS TO KEEP ITS ECONOMY AFLOAT. 145 00:05:53,861 --> 00:05:55,658 KEEP ITS ECONOMY AFLOAT. THEN LATER THEY SAID THAT'S FOR 146 00:05:55,660 --> 00:05:56,668 THEN LATER THEY SAID THAT'S FOR TWO YEARS. 147 00:05:56,670 --> 00:05:58,372 TWO YEARS. THEY NEED AT LEAST $15 BILLION 148 00:05:58,374 --> 00:06:00,422 THEY NEED AT LEAST $15 BILLION FOR THE FIRST YEAR FROM THE 149 00:06:00,424 --> 00:06:00,707 FOR THE FIRST YEAR FROM THE I.M.F. 150 00:06:00,709 --> 00:06:03,200 I.M.F. THE I.M.F. IS DOING SOME 151 00:06:03,202 --> 00:06:04,335 THE I.M.F. IS DOING SOME FACT-FINDING AND FIGURE OUT 152 00:06:04,337 --> 00:06:06,260 FACT-FINDING AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S POSSIBLE BUT THE I.M.F. 153 00:06:06,262 --> 00:06:08,091 WHAT'S POSSIBLE BUT THE I.M.F. HAS BEEN BURNED TWICE ALREADY. 154 00:06:08,093 --> 00:06:11,782 HAS BEEN BURNED TWICE ALREADY. SINCE 2008, THE TWO PREVIOUS 155 00:06:11,784 --> 00:06:12,855 SINCE 2008, THE TWO PREVIOUS GOVERNMENTS BOTH DID NOT KEEP UP 156 00:06:12,857 --> 00:06:17,810 GOVERNMENTS BOTH DID NOT KEEP UP EIR END OF THE AUSTERITY 157 00:06:17,812 --> 00:06:18,125 EIR END OF THE AUSTERITY BARGAIN. 158 00:06:18,127 --> 00:06:19,640 BARGAIN. AND THE CURRENT ONE ADMITTED 159 00:06:19,642 --> 00:06:24,436 AND THE CURRENT ONE ADMITTED HAT IT COULD BE A VERY 160 00:06:24,438 --> 00:06:25,193 HAT IT COULD BE A VERY POLITICAL KAMIKAZE MOVE. 161 00:06:25,195 --> 00:06:26,992 POLITICAL KAMIKAZE MOVE. GWEN: WHO CARRYS THE WEIGHT IN 162 00:06:26,994 --> 00:06:29,012 GWEN: WHO CARRYS THE WEIGHT IN THIS ARGUMENTS? 163 00:06:29,014 --> 00:06:29,327 THIS ARGUMENTS? RUSSIA? 164 00:06:29,328 --> 00:06:30,778 RUSSIA? THE U.S.? 165 00:06:30,780 --> 00:06:31,725 THE U.S.? E.U.? 166 00:06:31,727 --> 00:06:34,565 E.U.? ARE WE EXPECTING ANOTHER SUITER? 167 00:06:34,567 --> 00:06:36,743 ARE WE EXPECTING ANOTHER SUITER? >> THAT'S THE $15 BILLION 168 00:06:36,745 --> 00:06:37,184 >> THAT'S THE $15 BILLION QUESTION, RIGHT? 169 00:06:37,186 --> 00:06:38,698 QUESTION, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUNTRY 170 00:06:38,700 --> 00:06:41,571 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUNTRY THAT SITS IN A VERY KEY 171 00:06:41,572 --> 00:06:42,012 THAT SITS IN A VERY KEY STRATEGIC PLACE. 172 00:06:42,014 --> 00:06:44,378 STRATEGIC PLACE. ON THE BORDER OF RUSSIA ON ONE 173 00:06:44,380 --> 00:06:44,663 ON THE BORDER OF RUSSIA ON ONE SIDE. 174 00:06:44,665 --> 00:06:46,209 SIDE. ON THE BORDER OF NATO ON THE 175 00:06:46,211 --> 00:06:47,124 ON THE BORDER OF NATO ON THE OTHER SIDE. 176 00:06:47,126 --> 00:06:49,144 OTHER SIDE. THE WHOLE THING THAT 177 00:06:49,146 --> 00:06:50,943 THE WHOLE THING THAT PRECIPITATED THIS IS THE 178 00:06:50,944 --> 00:06:52,867 PRECIPITATED THIS IS THE GOVERNMENT PULLED OUT THAT WAS 179 00:06:52,869 --> 00:06:54,034 GOVERNMENT PULLED OUT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH 180 00:06:54,036 --> 00:06:55,644 SUPPOSED TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THEM LAST YEAR THAT WOULD HAVE 181 00:06:55,646 --> 00:06:57,599 THEM LAST YEAR THAT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO SEEK MEMBERSHIP 182 00:06:57,602 --> 00:06:59,714 ALLOWED THEM TO SEEK MEMBERSHIP OF THE E.U. AND HE DECIDED TO 183 00:06:59,716 --> 00:07:03,501 OF THE E.U. AND HE DECIDED TO BACK OUT YANOKOVIC AND DECIDED 184 00:07:03,502 --> 00:07:05,394 BACK OUT YANOKOVIC AND DECIDED TO ALLY HIMSELF WITH RUSSIA. 185 00:07:05,396 --> 00:07:07,225 TO ALLY HIMSELF WITH RUSSIA. A LOT OF PEOPLE IT'S RIGHT THERE 186 00:07:07,227 --> 00:07:09,086 A LOT OF PEOPLE IT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE SEAM OF EUROPE AND IT'S 187 00:07:09,088 --> 00:07:11,800 AT THE SEAM OF EUROPE AND IT'S VERY KEEN WHICH WAY IT WORKS. 188 00:07:11,802 --> 00:07:13,945 VERY KEEN WHICH WAY IT WORKS. OUR KEY CRITICAL GAS PIPELINES 189 00:07:13,948 --> 00:07:15,712 OUR KEY CRITICAL GAS PIPELINES THROUGH WHICH HALF OF THE GAS 190 00:07:15,713 --> 00:07:17,069 THROUGH WHICH HALF OF THE GAS THAT RUSSIA EXPORTS THROUGH 191 00:07:17,071 --> 00:07:18,805 THAT RUSSIA EXPORTS THROUGH EUROPE GOES THROUGH THOSE 192 00:07:18,807 --> 00:07:21,487 EUROPE GOES THROUGH THOSE PIPELINES THROUGH THE UKRAINE. 193 00:07:21,489 --> 00:07:23,412 PIPELINES THROUGH THE UKRAINE. THERE ARE MONEY ISSUE, GOOD 194 00:07:23,414 --> 00:07:31,111 THERE ARE MONEY ISSUE, GOOD GEO POLITICAL -- 195 00:07:31,113 --> 00:07:31,427 GEO POLITICAL -- ISSUES. 196 00:07:31,429 --> 00:07:32,247 ISSUES. GWEN: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US 197 00:07:32,249 --> 00:07:32,752 GWEN: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. 198 00:07:32,754 --> 00:07:33,951 TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU. 199 00:07:33,953 --> 00:07:37,643 >> THANK YOU. >> WHEN IT COMES TO EXPANDING 200 00:07:37,645 --> 00:07:40,578 >> WHEN IT COMES TO EXPANDING RIGHTS FOR GAYS AND LESBIANS, 201 00:07:40,580 --> 00:07:41,619 RIGHTS FOR GAYS AND LESBIANS, THERE WAS A BIG VETO IN ARIZONA. 202 00:07:41,621 --> 00:07:43,387 THERE WAS A BIG VETO IN ARIZONA. A GAY MARRIAGE RULING IN TEXAS 203 00:07:43,388 --> 00:07:45,406 A GAY MARRIAGE RULING IN TEXAS AND NEW GUIDANCE FROM THE U.S. 204 00:07:45,407 --> 00:07:45,879 AND NEW GUIDANCE FROM THE U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL. 205 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,362 ATTORNEY GENERAL. IN ARIZONA JANUARY BREWER KILLED 206 00:07:47,364 --> 00:07:48,214 IN ARIZONA JANUARY BREWER KILLED A MEASURE THAT WOULD HAVE 207 00:07:48,216 --> 00:07:51,054 A MEASURE THAT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED BUSINESSES TO USE 208 00:07:51,056 --> 00:07:52,884 ALLOWED BUSINESSES TO USE RELIGIOUS BELIEF AS A DEFENSE 209 00:07:52,886 --> 00:07:54,715 RELIGIOUS BELIEF AS A DEFENSE AGAINST DISCRIMINATION LAWSUITS. 210 00:07:54,717 --> 00:07:56,955 AGAINST DISCRIMINATION LAWSUITS. >> I SINCERELY BELIEF THAT 211 00:07:56,957 --> 00:07:58,596 >> I SINCERELY BELIEF THAT SENATE BILL 1062 HAS THE 212 00:07:58,597 --> 00:08:01,436 SENATE BILL 1062 HAS THE POTENTIAL TO CREATE MORE 213 00:08:01,438 --> 00:08:04,401 POTENTIAL TO CREATE MORE PROBLEMS THAN IT PRO PORTS TO 214 00:08:04,403 --> 00:08:04,685 PROBLEMS THAN IT PRO PORTS TO SOLVE. 215 00:08:04,688 --> 00:08:06,137 SOLVE. I COULD DIVIDE ARIZONA IN WAYS 216 00:08:06,138 --> 00:08:07,430 I COULD DIVIDE ARIZONA IN WAYS YOU COULD NOT EVEN IMAGINE AND 217 00:08:07,433 --> 00:08:10,018 YOU COULD NOT EVEN IMAGINE AND NO ONE WOULD EVER WANT. 218 00:08:10,020 --> 00:08:11,122 NO ONE WOULD EVER WANT. GWEN: BUT EVEN THOUGH THIS IS 219 00:08:11,125 --> 00:08:12,953 GWEN: BUT EVEN THOUGH THIS IS GAY RIGHT DEBATE, THE ROOTS OF 220 00:08:12,954 --> 00:08:13,900 GAY RIGHT DEBATE, THE ROOTS OF THE LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 221 00:08:13,901 --> 00:08:14,845 THE LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT PIECE. 222 00:08:14,847 --> 00:08:16,961 THAT PIECE. >> IT STARS TWO DECADES AGO WITH 223 00:08:16,963 --> 00:08:19,547 >> IT STARS TWO DECADES AGO WITH TWO MEN WHO WORKED AT DRUG REHAB 224 00:08:19,550 --> 00:08:21,410 TWO MEN WHO WORKED AT DRUG REHAB CENTER WHO WERE FIRED FOR 225 00:08:21,411 --> 00:08:24,408 CENTER WHO WERE FIRED FOR SMOKING PEYOTE AT A NATIVE 226 00:08:24,410 --> 00:08:26,175 SMOKING PEYOTE AT A NATIVE AMERICAN SURGE SERVICE. 227 00:08:26,177 --> 00:08:27,185 AMERICAN SURGE SERVICE. THEY SAID IT WAS RITUAL. 228 00:08:27,186 --> 00:08:29,867 THEY SAID IT WAS RITUAL. SO THE LAWS SHOULDN'T APPLY TO 229 00:08:29,869 --> 00:08:30,877 SO THE LAWS SHOULDN'T APPLY TO THEM. 230 00:08:30,878 --> 00:08:32,391 THEM. BUT THE U.S. SUPREME COURT SAYS 231 00:08:32,392 --> 00:08:34,695 BUT THE U.S. SUPREME COURT SAYS THERE'S NO RELIGIOUS EXCEPTION. 232 00:08:34,697 --> 00:08:36,651 THERE'S NO RELIGIOUS EXCEPTION. AND THAT INFURIATED CONGRESS 233 00:08:36,652 --> 00:08:37,756 AND THAT INFURIATED CONGRESS WHICH RESPONDED BYPASSING 234 00:08:37,757 --> 00:08:39,428 WHICH RESPONDED BYPASSING SOMETHING CALLED THE RELIGIOUS 235 00:08:39,430 --> 00:08:41,448 SOMETHING CALLED THE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM RESTORATION ACT WHICH 236 00:08:41,449 --> 00:08:42,299 FREEDOM RESTORATION ACT WHICH BARRED THE GOVERNMENT FROM IN 237 00:08:42,301 --> 00:08:44,255 BARRED THE GOVERNMENT FROM IN THE PHRASE OF THE LAW 238 00:08:44,258 --> 00:08:46,055 THE PHRASE OF THE LAW SUBSTANTIALLY BURDENENING 239 00:08:46,055 --> 00:08:49,936 SUBSTANTIALLY BURDENENING SOMEBODY'S EXERCISE OF RELIGION. 240 00:08:49,938 --> 00:08:51,765 SOMEBODY'S EXERCISE OF RELIGION. ARIZONA IS ONE OF MANY THAT HAS 241 00:08:51,768 --> 00:08:53,975 ARIZONA IS ONE OF MANY THAT HAS LAWS LIKE THAT. 242 00:08:53,976 --> 00:08:55,679 LAWS LIKE THAT. SO WHAT WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS 243 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:57,667 SO WHAT WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS ARIZONA LAW IS THAT IT WOULD 244 00:08:57,669 --> 00:08:58,771 ARIZONA LAW IS THAT IT WOULD HAVE EXPANDED THE LAW TO APPLY 245 00:08:58,772 --> 00:09:00,570 HAVE EXPANDED THE LAW TO APPLY NOST TO INDIVIDUALS BUT TO 246 00:09:00,572 --> 00:09:01,580 NOST TO INDIVIDUALS BUT TO BUSINESSS THAT GET SUED BY 247 00:09:01,581 --> 00:09:04,324 BUSINESSS THAT GET SUED BY SOMEONE IN A PRIVATE LAWSUIT, 248 00:09:04,326 --> 00:09:05,555 SOMEONE IN A PRIVATE LAWSUIT, SOMEONE THAT THEY REFUSE TO 249 00:09:05,558 --> 00:09:07,197 SOMEONE THAT THEY REFUSE TO SERVE AND WHAT GOT THE SPONSORS 250 00:09:07,199 --> 00:09:09,310 SERVE AND WHAT GOT THE SPONSORS OF THE BILL CONCERNED WAS A 251 00:09:09,311 --> 00:09:10,256 OF THE BILL CONCERNED WAS A DECISION LAST YEAR IN 252 00:09:10,259 --> 00:09:12,214 DECISION LAST YEAR IN NEIGHBORING NEW MEXICO WHEN THE 253 00:09:12,216 --> 00:09:14,170 NEIGHBORING NEW MEXICO WHEN THE SUPREME COURT THERE RULED 254 00:09:14,171 --> 00:09:17,925 SUPREME COURT THERE RULED AGAINST A BE QUEER KEY 255 00:09:17,927 --> 00:09:19,850 AGAINST A BE QUEER KEY PHOTOGRAPHERS WHO REFUSED TO 256 00:09:19,852 --> 00:09:23,637 PHOTOGRAPHERS WHO REFUSED TO PHOTOGRAPH THE CEREMONY OF TWO 257 00:09:23,638 --> 00:09:24,551 PHOTOGRAPH THE CEREMONY OF TWO WOMEN. 258 00:09:24,553 --> 00:09:26,634 WOMEN. AND THIS IS EXACTLY AT THE HEART 259 00:09:26,637 --> 00:09:27,548 AND THIS IS EXACTLY AT THE HEART OF THE CHALLENGE TO THE 260 00:09:27,551 --> 00:09:30,484 OF THE CHALLENGE TO THE OBAMACARE LAW THAT THE SUPREME 261 00:09:30,485 --> 00:09:32,188 OBAMACARE LAW THAT THE SUPREME COURT WILL HEAR NEXT MONTH. 262 00:09:32,190 --> 00:09:36,131 COURT WILL HEAR NEXT MONTH. >> GWEN RATTLED OFF THIS WEEK'S 263 00:09:36,134 --> 00:09:37,268 >> GWEN RATTLED OFF THIS WEEK'S DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS. 264 00:09:37,270 --> 00:09:39,823 DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS. YOU'VE GOT FIGHTS IN STATE 265 00:09:39,826 --> 00:09:41,024 YOU'VE GOT FIGHTS IN STATE HOUSES AND IN COURTHOUSES. 266 00:09:41,024 --> 00:09:42,570 HOUSES AND IN COURTHOUSES. WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON? 267 00:09:42,572 --> 00:09:44,620 WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON? >> A TEXAS JUDGE BECAME THE 268 00:09:44,623 --> 00:09:45,629 >> A TEXAS JUDGE BECAME THE LATEST TO STRIKE DOWN A BAN ON 269 00:09:45,632 --> 00:09:48,375 LATEST TO STRIKE DOWN A BAN ON SAME SEX MARRIAGE SAYING THAT 270 00:09:48,376 --> 00:09:51,562 SAME SEX MARRIAGE SAYING THAT IT'S -- THERE'S NO GOOD REASON 271 00:09:51,563 --> 00:09:53,235 IT'S -- THERE'S NO GOOD REASON TO DO THAT. 272 00:09:53,236 --> 00:09:55,096 TO DO THAT. GWEN: HOW MANY STATES HAVE DONE 273 00:09:55,098 --> 00:09:55,381 GWEN: HOW MANY STATES HAVE DONE THAT? 274 00:09:55,382 --> 00:09:57,053 THAT? >> IN TERMS OF COURT ACTION, SIX 275 00:09:57,055 --> 00:09:57,937 >> IN TERMS OF COURT ACTION, SIX OR SEVEN. 276 00:09:57,937 --> 00:10:00,809 OR SEVEN. WE HAVE 17 STATES IN WHICH SAME 277 00:10:00,811 --> 00:10:01,818 WE HAVE 17 STATES IN WHICH SAME SEX MARRIAGE IS ALLOWED. 278 00:10:01,820 --> 00:10:03,774 SEX MARRIAGE IS ALLOWED. WE HAVE A TRIAL THAT STARRED 279 00:10:03,775 --> 00:10:04,689 WE HAVE A TRIAL THAT STARRED THIS WEEK IN MICHIGAN OVER ITS 280 00:10:04,692 --> 00:10:05,479 THIS WEEK IN MICHIGAN OVER ITS BAN. 281 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,403 BAN. AND JUST THIS WEEK A KENTUCKY 282 00:10:07,404 --> 00:10:09,390 AND JUST THIS WEEK A KENTUCKY JUDGE MADE HIS RULING FINAL 283 00:10:09,393 --> 00:10:10,275 JUDGE MADE HIS RULING FINAL WHILE KENTUCKY DOES NOT HAVE TO 284 00:10:10,277 --> 00:10:13,145 WHILE KENTUCKY DOES NOT HAVE TO ALLOW SAME SEX MARRIAGES TO BE 285 00:10:13,148 --> 00:10:14,945 ALLOW SAME SEX MARRIAGES TO BE PERFORMED, IT HAS TO BE 286 00:10:14,946 --> 00:10:16,301 PERFORMED, IT HAS TO BE RECOGNIZED MARRIAGES IN OTHER 287 00:10:16,304 --> 00:10:16,837 RECOGNIZED MARRIAGES IN OTHER STATES. 288 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,795 STATES. >> HOW IS ERIC HOLDER GETTING 289 00:10:18,797 --> 00:10:19,930 >> HOW IS ERIC HOLDER GETTING INVOLVED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS? 290 00:10:19,933 --> 00:10:21,855 INVOLVED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS? >> HE GAVE A VERY INTERESTING 291 00:10:21,857 --> 00:10:25,453 >> HE GAVE A VERY INTERESTING SPEECH BEFORE THE NATIONAL OF 292 00:10:25,454 --> 00:10:26,589 SPEECH BEFORE THE NATIONAL OF ASSOCIATION OF ATTORNEYS 293 00:10:26,590 --> 00:10:27,345 ASSOCIATION OF ATTORNEYS GENERAL. 294 00:10:27,348 --> 00:10:30,217 GENERAL. HE THINKS THAT ANY LAW THAT 295 00:10:30,218 --> 00:10:35,960 HE THINKS THAT ANY LAW THAT SHOULD BE IONS ON IT 296 00:10:35,961 --> 00:10:36,906 SHOULD BE IONS ON IT SUSPICIOUS. 297 00:10:36,909 --> 00:10:38,957 SUSPICIOUS. NOW, HE DIDN'T TELL THE 298 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:39,810 NOW, HE DIDN'T TELL THE ATTORNEYS GENERAL YOU SHOULD DO 299 00:10:39,811 --> 00:10:41,956 ATTORNEYS GENERAL YOU SHOULD DO THAT TOO BUT THAT WAS SORT OF 300 00:10:41,958 --> 00:10:42,334 THAT TOO BUT THAT WAS SORT OF THE MESSAGE. 301 00:10:42,335 --> 00:10:43,754 THE MESSAGE. GWEN: BUT ISN'T IT WEIRD TO HAVE 302 00:10:43,757 --> 00:10:48,455 GWEN: BUT ISN'T IT WEIRD TO HAVE THE NATION'S CHIEF ENFORCEMENT 303 00:10:48,458 --> 00:10:49,403 THE NATION'S CHIEF ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO ADVISE OTHER 304 00:10:49,405 --> 00:10:51,201 OFFICERS TO ADVISE OTHER OFFICERS DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT, 305 00:10:51,203 --> 00:10:52,179 OFFICERS DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT, JUST LET IT GO? 306 00:10:52,182 --> 00:10:54,988 JUST LET IT GO? >> MANY OF THEM THOUGHT SO. 307 00:10:54,989 --> 00:10:58,207 >> MANY OF THEM THOUGHT SO. MANY WERE SPEECH 308 00:10:58,208 --> 00:10:58,584 MANY WERE SPEECH AFTERWARDS. 309 00:10:58,587 --> 00:10:59,943 AFTERWARDS. THIS IS WHAT HE DID WHEN THE 310 00:10:59,944 --> 00:11:00,953 THIS IS WHAT HE DID WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION HAD TO DECIDE 311 00:11:00,953 --> 00:11:03,729 ADMINISTRATION HAD TO DECIDE WHETHER TO DEFEND IN COURT THE 312 00:11:03,731 --> 00:11:05,622 WHETHER TO DEFEND IN COURT THE DEFENSE IN MARRIAGE ACT. 313 00:11:05,623 --> 00:11:08,368 DEFENSE IN MARRIAGE ACT. THERE ARE LOTS OF EXAMPLES WHERE 314 00:11:08,370 --> 00:11:09,661 THERE ARE LOTS OF EXAMPLES WHERE U.S. AN STATE ATTORNEYS GENERAL 315 00:11:09,663 --> 00:11:11,366 U.S. AN STATE ATTORNEYS GENERAL HAVE DECLINED TO DEFEND LAWS 316 00:11:11,368 --> 00:11:13,416 HAVE DECLINED TO DEFEND LAWS THAT THEY THINK IS 317 00:11:13,417 --> 00:11:13,858 THAT THEY THINK IS UNCONSTITUTION. 318 00:11:13,860 --> 00:11:17,076 UNCONSTITUTION. >> DOES HE HAVE A LOT OF SWAY 319 00:11:17,079 --> 00:11:18,022 >> DOES HE HAVE A LOT OF SWAY WITH ATTORNEYS GENERALS? 320 00:11:18,025 --> 00:11:22,946 WITH ATTORNEYS GENERALS? > TO SOME EXTENT HIS REMARKS 321 00:11:22,947 --> 00:11:25,722 > TO SOME EXTENT HIS REMARKS WAS REMARKING ON SOMETHING 322 00:11:25,724 --> 00:11:28,279 WAS REMARKING ON SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED. 323 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,330 THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED. STATES ATTORNEYS GENERAL HAVE 324 00:11:30,332 --> 00:11:31,212 STATES ATTORNEYS GENERAL HAVE DECLINED TO DEFEND THE LAW. 325 00:11:31,215 --> 00:11:33,454 DECLINED TO DEFEND THE LAW. O SO TO SOME EXTENT THEY ARE 326 00:11:33,455 --> 00:11:35,158 O SO TO SOME EXTENT THEY ARE KIND OF ON A ROLL. 327 00:11:35,159 --> 00:11:37,145 KIND OF ON A ROLL. GWEN: WILL THIS BARREL STRAIGHT 328 00:11:37,147 --> 00:11:38,218 GWEN: WILL THIS BARREL STRAIGHT TO THE SUPREME COURT? 329 00:11:38,221 --> 00:11:39,891 TO THE SUPREME COURT? >> WELL, WE'LL SEE. 330 00:11:39,892 --> 00:11:41,783 >> WELL, WE'LL SEE. SO FAR MOST OF THESE LAWS ARE 331 00:11:41,786 --> 00:11:42,761 SO FAR MOST OF THESE LAWS ARE STRIKING THE BANS DOWN. 332 00:11:42,764 --> 00:11:44,119 STRIKING THE BANS DOWN. THE MAIN REASON THE SUPREME 333 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,517 THE MAIN REASON THE SUPREME COURT WOULD TAKE A CASE IF 334 00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:47,591 COURT WOULD TAKE A CASE IF THERE'S A SPLIT AMONG THE COURTS 335 00:11:47,593 --> 00:11:49,421 THERE'S A SPLIT AMONG THE COURTS OR CIRCUITS WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF 336 00:11:49,422 --> 00:11:50,399 OR CIRCUITS WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF THAT DEVELOPS. 337 00:11:50,401 --> 00:11:52,418 THAT DEVELOPS. GWEN: JOHN DINGELL SPENT SIX 338 00:11:52,421 --> 00:11:54,059 GWEN: JOHN DINGELL SPENT SIX DECADES IN CONGRESS. 339 00:11:54,061 --> 00:12:00,717 DECADES IN CONGRESS. PRECEED HIM 340 00:12:00,719 --> 00:12:01,727 PRECEED HIM SERVED TWO. 341 00:12:01,729 --> 00:12:03,810 SERVED TWO. BUT MANY SAY IT'S NOT FUN 342 00:12:03,812 --> 00:12:04,125 BUT MANY SAY IT'S NOT FUN ANYMORE. 343 00:12:04,127 --> 00:12:05,481 ANYMORE. >> THE PRESIDENT SHOULD NOT HAVE 344 00:12:05,484 --> 00:12:06,680 >> THE PRESIDENT SHOULD NOT HAVE TO TELL THE OTHER VETS FIGHTING 345 00:12:06,683 --> 00:12:10,277 TO TELL THE OTHER VETS FIGHTING THAT YOU CANNOT DO ILTS TESTS, 346 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,360 THAT YOU CANNOT DO ILTS TESTS, HE WILL DO IT BY EXECUTIVE 347 00:12:12,363 --> 00:12:12,645 HE WILL DO IT BY EXECUTIVE ORDER. 348 00:12:12,647 --> 00:12:15,295 ORDER. THAT IS NOT THE WAY THE COUNTRY 349 00:12:15,296 --> 00:12:16,146 THAT IS NOT THE WAY THE COUNTRY IS RUN. 350 00:12:16,149 --> 00:12:18,073 IS RUN. GWEN: ALL TOLD, THE RETIREMENT 351 00:12:18,074 --> 00:12:19,333 GWEN: ALL TOLD, THE RETIREMENT OF DINGELL AND OTHERS SO FAR ADD 352 00:12:19,336 --> 00:12:21,133 OF DINGELL AND OTHERS SO FAR ADD UP TO ABOUT 300 YEARS OF 353 00:12:21,134 --> 00:12:22,080 UP TO ABOUT 300 YEARS OF CONGRESSIONAL EXPERIENCE. 354 00:12:22,082 --> 00:12:23,911 CONGRESSIONAL EXPERIENCE. SO THIS IS A BIG SHIFT OR NOT, 355 00:12:23,912 --> 00:12:24,762 SO THIS IS A BIG SHIFT OR NOT, ED? 356 00:12:24,763 --> 00:12:26,750 ED? >> IT IS AND IT CONTINUE AS 357 00:12:26,752 --> 00:12:27,759 >> IT IS AND IT CONTINUE AS TREND THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR 358 00:12:27,762 --> 00:12:28,863 TREND THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR THE PAST FEW YEAR WHERE IS THE 359 00:12:28,866 --> 00:12:31,420 THE PAST FEW YEAR WHERE IS THE OLDER GENERATIONS OF LAWMAKER 360 00:12:31,422 --> 00:12:35,333 OLDER GENERATIONS OF LAWMAKER WHO ARE TOTALLY NOT ACCUSTOM THE 361 00:12:35,334 --> 00:12:41,234 WHO ARE TOTALLY NOT ACCUSTOM THE SAYING FORGET 362 00:12:41,235 --> 00:12:41,486 SAYING FORGET IT. 363 00:12:41,488 --> 00:12:43,126 IT. THE FACT THAT YOU SAW REALLY THE 364 00:12:43,129 --> 00:12:46,850 THE FACT THAT YOU SAW REALLY THE DEAN -- HE RIDES AROUND IN A 365 00:12:46,852 --> 00:12:48,713 DEAN -- HE RIDES AROUND IN A MOTORIZED SCOOTER THAT SAYS "THE 366 00:12:48,714 --> 00:12:52,563 MOTORIZED SCOOTER THAT SAYS "THE DEAN" ON IT BASICALLY SAID THAT 367 00:12:52,564 --> 00:12:53,477 DEAN" ON IT BASICALLY SAID THAT IT'S OBNOXIOUS UP THERE. 368 00:12:53,479 --> 00:12:54,550 IT'S OBNOXIOUS UP THERE. CONSIDERING THE FACT HE CAME TOP 369 00:12:54,551 --> 00:12:57,200 CONSIDERING THE FACT HE CAME TOP THE OFFICE IN 1955. 370 00:12:57,202 --> 00:12:59,189 THE OFFICE IN 1955. 12 DAYS AFTER ROSA PARKS REFUSED 371 00:12:59,190 --> 00:13:02,060 12 DAYS AFTER ROSA PARKS REFUSED TO GIVE UP HER SEAT ON THAT 372 00:13:02,062 --> 00:13:02,944 TO GIVE UP HER SEAT ON THAT BIRMINGHAMMINGHAM BUS. 373 00:13:02,945 --> 00:13:05,058 BIRMINGHAMMINGHAM BUS. AND HE WAS IN OFFICE 12 YEARS 374 00:13:05,059 --> 00:13:06,856 AND HE WAS IN OFFICE 12 YEARS BEFORE THIS SHOW STARTED. 375 00:13:06,859 --> 00:13:07,204 BEFORE THIS SHOW STARTED. [LAUGHTER] 376 00:13:07,205 --> 00:13:08,750 [LAUGHTER] >> AND HE MADE A REALLY 377 00:13:08,751 --> 00:13:10,011 >> AND HE MADE A REALLY INTERESTING COMMENT TO BLOOMBERG 378 00:13:10,014 --> 00:13:11,905 INTERESTING COMMENT TO BLOOMBERG NEWS WHERE HE SAID THE PRESIDENT 379 00:13:11,906 --> 00:13:15,471 NEWS WHERE HE SAID THE PRESIDENT HE MOST ADMIRED WAS LYNDON 380 00:13:15,473 --> 00:13:16,417 HE MOST ADMIRED WAS LYNDON JOHNSON AND HE CONSIDERS NEWT 381 00:13:16,420 --> 00:13:18,248 JOHNSON AND HE CONSIDERS NEWT GINGRICH A VERY CLOSE FRIEND. 382 00:13:18,249 --> 00:13:19,510 GINGRICH A VERY CLOSE FRIEND. MOST OF HIS COLLEAGUES WOULD 383 00:13:19,512 --> 00:13:21,971 MOST OF HIS COLLEAGUES WOULD TURN THEIR, YOU KNOW, WOULD FIND 384 00:13:21,973 --> 00:13:23,959 TURN THEIR, YOU KNOW, WOULD FIND THAT VERY ODD AND FRANKLY READ 385 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,799 THAT VERY ODD AND FRANKLY READ ABOUT THOSE GUYS IN TEXTBOOKS. 386 00:13:26,801 --> 00:13:27,778 ABOUT THOSE GUYS IN TEXTBOOKS. >> IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE 387 00:13:27,779 --> 00:13:29,829 >> IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE ERA OF BIPARTISAN THAT I GUESS 388 00:13:29,830 --> 00:13:30,585 ERA OF BIPARTISAN THAT I GUESS HE GREW UP IN. 389 00:13:30,587 --> 00:13:31,753 HE GREW UP IN. WHAT'S THE TALLY NOW. 390 00:13:31,755 --> 00:13:33,458 WHAT'S THE TALLY NOW. HOW MANY PEOPLE WITH THAT KIND 391 00:13:33,460 --> 00:13:35,351 HOW MANY PEOPLE WITH THAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE ARE HEADING -- 392 00:13:35,353 --> 00:13:37,558 OF EXPERIENCE ARE HEADING -- >> HE'S ONE OF 32 MEMBERS IN THE 393 00:13:37,561 --> 00:13:39,232 >> HE'S ONE OF 32 MEMBERS IN THE SENATE SO FAR SAYING I'M 394 00:13:39,234 --> 00:13:40,209 SENATE SO FAR SAYING I'M RETIRING. 395 00:13:40,212 --> 00:13:42,230 RETIRING. NOT RUNNING FOR A HIGHER OFFICE 396 00:13:42,232 --> 00:13:43,208 NOT RUNNING FOR A HIGHER OFFICE BUT LEAVING ENTIRELY. 397 00:13:43,210 --> 00:13:46,174 BUT LEAVING ENTIRELY. THAT'S A COMBINED 660 YEARS OF 398 00:13:46,175 --> 00:13:47,088 THAT'S A COMBINED 660 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE BETWEEN THE HOUSE 399 00:13:47,091 --> 00:13:48,035 EXPERIENCE BETWEEN THE HOUSE LAWMAKERS AND THE SENATE. 400 00:13:48,038 --> 00:13:49,834 LAWMAKERS AND THE SENATE. IT'S CLOSE TO THE 700 IF YOU ADD 401 00:13:49,835 --> 00:13:51,097 IT'S CLOSE TO THE 700 IF YOU ADD THE HOUSE EXPERIENCE THAT SOME 402 00:13:51,099 --> 00:13:52,011 THE HOUSE EXPERIENCE THAT SOME OF THOSE SENATORS HAVE. 403 00:13:52,012 --> 00:13:53,621 OF THOSE SENATORS HAVE. >> AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT MOST 404 00:13:53,622 --> 00:13:55,419 >> AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT MOST OF THOSE ARE PEOPLE ARE WORRIED 405 00:13:55,422 --> 00:13:57,344 OF THOSE ARE PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT GETTING RE-ELECTED? 406 00:13:57,345 --> 00:13:58,576 ABOUT GETTING RE-ELECTED? >> NO, IN FACT, MANY OF THEM 407 00:13:58,577 --> 00:14:00,278 >> NO, IN FACT, MANY OF THEM COME FROM SAFE SEATS. 408 00:14:00,281 --> 00:14:01,447 COME FROM SAFE SEATS. AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE ON PAR 409 00:14:01,448 --> 00:14:04,002 AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE ON PAR WITH 2012. 410 00:14:04,005 --> 00:14:05,043 WITH 2012. WHAT WAS IT? 411 00:14:05,046 --> 00:14:06,148 WHAT WAS IT? 35 THAT YEAR. 412 00:14:06,151 --> 00:14:08,957 35 THAT YEAR. WE WERE THREE SHORT OF 2012. 413 00:14:08,957 --> 00:14:10,849 WE WERE THREE SHORT OF 2012. THAT WAVE WAS THE SIGNAL THAT A 414 00:14:10,852 --> 00:14:12,870 THAT WAVE WAS THE SIGNAL THAT A LOT OF THESE OLDER PEOPLE ARE 415 00:14:12,872 --> 00:14:13,185 LOT OF THESE OLDER PEOPLE ARE LEAVING. 416 00:14:13,186 --> 00:14:14,669 LEAVING. YOU'RE LOSING PEOPLE, THE BRAIN 417 00:14:14,670 --> 00:14:14,952 YOU'RE LOSING PEOPLE, THE BRAIN DRAIN. 418 00:14:14,954 --> 00:14:17,603 DRAIN. A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE 419 00:14:17,605 --> 00:14:17,950 A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN. 420 00:14:17,951 --> 00:14:20,252 CHAIRMAN. CARL LEVIN OF ARMED SERVICES, 421 00:14:20,255 --> 00:14:21,768 CARL LEVIN OF ARMED SERVICES, JAY ROCKEFELLER, MAX BAUCUS WHO 422 00:14:21,770 --> 00:14:26,090 JAY ROCKEFELLER, MAX BAUCUS WHO IS ON HIS WAY TO BEIJING AND TOM 423 00:14:26,093 --> 00:14:28,111 IS ON HIS WAY TO BEIJING AND TOM HARD KINSON JOHNSON. 424 00:14:28,113 --> 00:14:30,950 HARD KINSON JOHNSON. AND IT CREATES A VERY 425 00:14:30,953 --> 00:14:31,771 AND IT CREATES A VERY INTERESTING DICHOTOMY OF PEOPLE 426 00:14:31,773 --> 00:14:34,674 INTERESTING DICHOTOMY OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SERVING FOR 12 OR 427 00:14:34,676 --> 00:14:37,388 WHO HAVE BEEN SERVING FOR 12 OR 15 YEARS ARE NOW BEING VIEWED AS 428 00:14:37,390 --> 00:14:38,365 15 YEARS ARE NOW BEING VIEWED AS SENIORS. 429 00:14:38,368 --> 00:14:40,480 SENIORS. >> THERE ARE 45 SENATORS 430 00:14:40,483 --> 00:14:42,342 >> THERE ARE 45 SENATORS CURRENTLY SERVING IN THEIR FIRST 431 00:14:42,344 --> 00:14:42,625 CURRENTLY SERVING IN THEIR FIRST TERM. 432 00:14:42,626 --> 00:14:44,204 TERM. THAT'S UNPRECEDENTED. 433 00:14:44,206 --> 00:14:45,276 THAT'S UNPRECEDENTED. >> YOU'VE ALREADY GOT AN 434 00:14:45,277 --> 00:14:47,044 >> YOU'VE ALREADY GOT AN INSTITUTION THAT'S GOT 12% OF 435 00:14:47,045 --> 00:14:48,968 INSTITUTION THAT'S GOT 12% OF APPROVAL NATIONWIDE. 436 00:14:48,969 --> 00:14:50,042 APPROVAL NATIONWIDE. WHEN DOES IT TURN AROUND? 437 00:14:50,044 --> 00:14:52,755 WHEN DOES IT TURN AROUND? WHEN CAN THE OPTIMISM CLAIM A 438 00:14:52,756 --> 00:14:53,985 WHEN CAN THE OPTIMISM CLAIM A VICTORY AND SAY THAT CONGRESS 439 00:14:53,987 --> 00:14:55,627 VICTORY AND SAY THAT CONGRESS WILL BECOME A BETTER 440 00:14:55,629 --> 00:14:56,510 WILL BECOME A BETTER INSTITUTION? 441 00:14:56,511 --> 00:14:57,866 INSTITUTION? >> YEAH -- THERE IS GENUINE 442 00:14:57,869 --> 00:14:58,908 >> YEAH -- THERE IS GENUINE FRUSTRATION I THINK ESPECIALLY 443 00:14:58,911 --> 00:14:59,697 FRUSTRATION I THINK ESPECIALLY MANY THE SENATE ABOUT THE FACT 444 00:14:59,698 --> 00:15:00,802 MANY THE SENATE ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE SITTING AROUND 445 00:15:00,803 --> 00:15:01,527 THAT THEY'RE SITTING AROUND DOING NOTHING. 446 00:15:01,529 --> 00:15:04,147 DOING NOTHING. WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME MODEST 447 00:15:04,149 --> 00:15:06,196 WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME MODEST ATTEMPTS OF THAT IN THE NEXT FEW 448 00:15:06,198 --> 00:15:06,482 ATTEMPTS OF THAT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. 449 00:15:06,484 --> 00:15:08,911 WEEKS. THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO MOVE 450 00:15:08,913 --> 00:15:10,930 THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO MOVE SOME SMALL BALL THINGS RELATED 451 00:15:10,932 --> 00:15:13,644 SOME SMALL BALL THINGS RELATED TO CHILD CAR, MAYBE SOME 452 00:15:13,646 --> 00:15:14,686 TO CHILD CAR, MAYBE SOME PROPOSALS ON SENTENCE REFORM. 453 00:15:14,688 --> 00:15:16,389 PROPOSALS ON SENTENCE REFORM. MODEST ATTEMPTS TO GET -- 454 00:15:16,391 --> 00:15:18,408 MODEST ATTEMPTS TO GET -- >> IF YOU BELIEVE IN TERM LIMITS 455 00:15:18,410 --> 00:15:20,301 >> IF YOU BELIEVE IN TERM LIMITS OR YOU BELIEVE IN FRESH BLOOD 456 00:15:20,304 --> 00:15:22,227 OR YOU BELIEVE IN FRESH BLOOD AND YOU BELIEVE IN BRINGING IN 457 00:15:22,229 --> 00:15:23,237 AND YOU BELIEVE IN BRINGING IN -- BREAKING OUT OF THE 458 00:15:23,238 --> 00:15:24,373 -- BREAKING OUT OF THE STRUCTURES OF WASHINGTON, ISN'T 459 00:15:24,375 --> 00:15:25,824 STRUCTURES OF WASHINGTON, ISN'T THIS A GOOD THING? 460 00:15:25,826 --> 00:15:28,885 THIS A GOOD THING? >> YES, IN FACT, IF YOU TALK TO 461 00:15:28,886 --> 00:15:31,693 >> YES, IN FACT, IF YOU TALK TO OTHER DEMOCRATS, THEY SAY IF 462 00:15:31,695 --> 00:15:32,450 OTHER DEMOCRATS, THEY SAY IF FILIBUSTER TOTALLY DOESN'T MAKE 463 00:15:32,453 --> 00:15:33,619 FILIBUSTER TOTALLY DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 464 00:15:33,621 --> 00:15:35,606 ANY SENSE. IN A MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY 465 00:15:35,609 --> 00:15:38,194 IN A MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY WANTS IT DONE AND A MINORITY OF 466 00:15:38,195 --> 00:15:42,043 WANTS IT DONE AND A MINORITY OF THE SENAT CAN HOLD IT UP, IT 467 00:15:42,046 --> 00:15:43,022 THE SENAT CAN HOLD IT UP, IT SHOULD BE PUSHED AWAY. 468 00:15:43,024 --> 00:15:45,767 SHOULD BE PUSHED AWAY. THE OLD BULLS ARE SAYING, WAIT A 469 00:15:45,769 --> 00:15:48,671 THE OLD BULLS ARE SAYING, WAIT A SECOND THAT VIOLATES HUNDREDS OF 470 00:15:48,672 --> 00:15:50,533 SECOND THAT VIOLATES HUNDREDS OF CONGRESSIONAL HISTORY. 471 00:15:50,535 --> 00:15:51,699 CONGRESSIONAL HISTORY. GWEN: WHAT WOULD JOHN DINGELL 472 00:15:51,701 --> 00:15:54,539 GWEN: WHAT WOULD JOHN DINGELL SAY WERE HIS CHIEF 473 00:15:54,542 --> 00:15:54,981 SAY WERE HIS CHIEF ACCOMPLISHMENTS? 474 00:15:54,982 --> 00:15:55,674 ACCOMPLISHMENTS? >> CERTAINLY HIS WORK ON CLEAN 475 00:15:55,677 --> 00:15:57,254 >> CERTAINLY HIS WORK ON CLEAN -- WHAT IS IT? 476 00:15:57,255 --> 00:15:58,231 -- WHAT IS IT? THE CLEAN WATER ACT. 477 00:15:58,234 --> 00:16:00,125 THE CLEAN WATER ACT. WORKING FOR MEDICARE -- THE 478 00:16:00,127 --> 00:16:03,091 WORKING FOR MEDICARE -- THE HEALTH CARE REFORM, THE BIGGEST 479 00:16:03,093 --> 00:16:03,470 HEALTH CARE REFORM, THE BIGGEST ACHIEVEMENT. 480 00:16:03,472 --> 00:16:04,164 ACHIEVEMENT. HIS FATHER FOUGHT FOR THAT. 481 00:16:04,165 --> 00:16:05,867 HIS FATHER FOUGHT FOR THAT. HE SERVED THROUGH ALL THOSE 482 00:16:05,870 --> 00:16:08,581 HE SERVED THROUGH ALL THOSE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS WHO TRIED. 483 00:16:08,583 --> 00:16:09,781 DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS WHO TRIED. THINI K HE WOULD CONSIDER HIS 484 00:16:09,782 --> 00:16:10,444 THINI K HE WOULD CONSIDER HIS BIGGEST -- 485 00:16:10,445 --> 00:16:14,419 BIGGEST -- >> AND NOW HIS WIFE DEBBIE 486 00:16:14,421 --> 00:16:16,187 >> AND NOW HIS WIFE DEBBIE DINGELL IS RUNNING FOR HIS SEAT. 487 00:16:16,189 --> 00:16:18,269 DINGELL IS RUNNING FOR HIS SEAT. >> IF SHE SERVES NINE TERMS THAT 488 00:16:18,271 --> 00:16:21,898 >> IF SHE SERVES NINE TERMS THAT DING LL BE HAVE HOLD THAT SEAT 489 00:16:21,900 --> 00:16:23,002 DING LL BE HAVE HOLD THAT SEAT FOR 100 YEARS. 490 00:16:23,004 --> 00:16:23,855 FOR 100 YEARS. GWEN: WOW. 491 00:16:23,856 --> 00:16:25,685 GWEN: WOW. THE EAST ROOM IN THE WHITE HOUSE 492 00:16:25,686 --> 00:16:32,532 THE EAST ROOM IN THE WHITE HOUSE -- FULL OF FILL LAN THROW 493 00:16:32,534 --> 00:16:32,974 -- FULL OF FILL LAN THROW PHILANTHROPISTS. 494 00:16:32,976 --> 00:16:34,299 PHILANTHROPISTS. IT'S CALLED MY BROTHER'S KEEPER 495 00:16:34,301 --> 00:16:38,054 IT'S CALLED MY BROTHER'S KEEPER AND IT'S HIS BOLDEST EFFORT YET 496 00:16:38,056 --> 00:16:40,010 AND IT'S HIS BOLDEST EFFORT YET TO REACH OUTSIDE PARTISAN LINES 497 00:16:40,012 --> 00:16:40,957 TO REACH OUTSIDE PARTISAN LINES AND THE BAT. 498 00:16:40,959 --> 00:16:42,093 AND THE BAT. TO ADDRESS WHAT HE CONSIDERS TO 499 00:16:42,095 --> 00:16:43,640 TO ADDRESS WHAT HE CONSIDERS TO BE IMPORTANT. 500 00:16:43,642 --> 00:16:47,394 BE IMPORTANT. >> WHILE THERE MIGHT NOT BE MUCH 501 00:16:47,396 --> 00:16:49,445 >> WHILE THERE MIGHT NOT BE MUCH OF AN APPETITE FOR NEW 502 00:16:49,447 --> 00:16:50,519 OF AN APPETITE FOR NEW INITIATIVES, WE ALL KNOW WE 503 00:16:50,521 --> 00:16:51,370 INITIATIVES, WE ALL KNOW WE CAN'T WAIT. 504 00:16:51,372 --> 00:16:53,263 CAN'T WAIT. AND SO THE GOOD NEWS IS, FOLKS 505 00:16:53,265 --> 00:16:56,199 AND SO THE GOOD NEWS IS, FOLKS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHO KNOW 506 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:57,145 IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHO KNOW HOW IMPORTANT BOOSTING THE 507 00:16:57,147 --> 00:16:58,092 HOW IMPORTANT BOOSTING THE ACHIEVEMENT OF YOUNG MEN OF 508 00:16:58,094 --> 00:16:59,985 ACHIEVEMENT OF YOUNG MEN OF COLOR IS TO THE COUNTRY, THEY 509 00:16:59,987 --> 00:17:00,805 COLOR IS TO THE COUNTRY, THEY ARE READY TO STEP UP. 510 00:17:00,807 --> 00:17:02,762 ARE READY TO STEP UP. >> IS THIS APPROACH REACHING 511 00:17:02,764 --> 00:17:04,655 >> IS THIS APPROACH REACHING OUTSIDE OF CONGRESS, REACHING 512 00:17:04,657 --> 00:17:05,980 OUTSIDE OF CONGRESS, REACHING OUTSIDE OF THE PROBLEMS IN 513 00:17:05,982 --> 00:17:07,558 OUTSIDE OF THE PROBLEMS IN WASHINGTON TO STOP THINGS FROM 514 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:08,725 WASHINGTON TO STOP THINGS FROM HAPPENING, IS THIS PART OF HIS 515 00:17:08,727 --> 00:17:10,366 HAPPENING, IS THIS PART OF HIS NEW APPROACH TO LIFE? 516 00:17:10,368 --> 00:17:11,282 NEW APPROACH TO LIFE? >> IT IS. 517 00:17:11,284 --> 00:17:13,427 >> IT IS. HE KNOWS HE'S NOW IN HIS FIFTH 518 00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:14,374 HE KNOWS HE'S NOW IN HIS FIFTH YEAR OR SIXTH YEAR. 519 00:17:14,376 --> 00:17:16,109 YEAR OR SIXTH YEAR. HE KNOWS THIS TOWN IS NOT 520 00:17:16,111 --> 00:17:19,107 HE KNOWS THIS TOWN IS NOT WORKING FOR REASONS WE'VE JUST 521 00:17:19,109 --> 00:17:19,454 WORKING FOR REASONS WE'VE JUST DISCUSSED. 522 00:17:19,456 --> 00:17:20,369 DISCUSSED. AND HE DECIDED LATE LAST YEAR 523 00:17:20,371 --> 00:17:21,789 AND HE DECIDED LATE LAST YEAR WITH HIS AGE THAT HE'S GOING TO 524 00:17:21,791 --> 00:17:23,651 WITH HIS AGE THAT HE'S GOING TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE AGENDA WHERE 525 00:17:23,653 --> 00:17:26,523 MOVE FORWARD ON THE AGENDA WHERE HE DOESN'T NEED CONGRESS AND 526 00:17:26,524 --> 00:17:27,690 HE DOESN'T NEED CONGRESS AND DOESN'T NEED NEW MONEY. 527 00:17:27,691 --> 00:17:29,646 DOESN'T NEED NEW MONEY. THEY TALK ABOUT THE PEN AND THE 528 00:17:29,648 --> 00:17:30,625 THEY TALK ABOUT THE PEN AND THE PHONE IS THE WAY THEY'RE GOING 529 00:17:30,627 --> 00:17:32,234 PHONE IS THE WAY THEY'RE GOING TO REACH OUT TO THE COUNTRY. 530 00:17:32,236 --> 00:17:34,316 TO REACH OUT TO THE COUNTRY. THE PRESIDENT HAS AN ENORMOUS 531 00:17:34,318 --> 00:17:35,263 THE PRESIDENT HAS AN ENORMOUS CONVENING ABILITY. 532 00:17:35,265 --> 00:17:36,242 CONVENING ABILITY. YOU SAW THAT HERE. 533 00:17:36,243 --> 00:17:37,977 YOU SAW THAT HERE. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HE 534 00:17:37,979 --> 00:17:39,145 THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HE SAID, I THINK, IN THAT ADDRESS 535 00:17:39,147 --> 00:17:41,101 SAID, I THINK, IN THAT ADDRESS WAS THIS ISSUE OF YOUNG MEN OF 536 00:17:41,102 --> 00:17:43,783 WAS THIS ISSUE OF YOUNG MEN OF COLOR NOT HAVING THE SAME 537 00:17:43,785 --> 00:17:44,825 COLOR NOT HAVING THE SAME OPPORTUNITY THAT OTHER YOUNG 538 00:17:44,827 --> 00:17:47,665 OPPORTUNITY THAT OTHER YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE IS AS IMPORTANT A 539 00:17:47,667 --> 00:17:48,768 PEOPLE HAVE IS AS IMPORTANT A NATIONAL ISSUE WITH ANY ISSUE I 540 00:17:48,770 --> 00:17:49,558 NATIONAL ISSUE WITH ANY ISSUE I DEAL WITH. 541 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:50,630 DEAL WITH. IT'S A BIG DEAL TO HAVE A 542 00:17:50,632 --> 00:17:51,608 IT'S A BIG DEAL TO HAVE A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 543 00:17:51,610 --> 00:17:51,955 PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SAY THAT. 544 00:17:51,957 --> 00:17:52,776 SAY THAT. AND EVEN IF THE MONEY THAT HE'S 545 00:17:52,778 --> 00:17:55,238 AND EVEN IF THE MONEY THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS ABOUT 546 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,478 TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS ABOUT $200 MILLION OVER THE NEXT TWO 547 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,939 $200 MILLION OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS WILL BE FUNNED BY INDUSTRY 548 00:17:59,941 --> 00:18:01,296 YEARS WILL BE FUNNED BY INDUSTRY AND PHILANTHROPIES. 549 00:18:01,298 --> 00:18:04,988 AND PHILANTHROPIES. MAY HAVE BEEN SPENT ANYWAY. 550 00:18:04,990 --> 00:18:05,966 MAY HAVE BEEN SPENT ANYWAY. IT WAS BEING SPENT TO HELP THIS 551 00:18:05,968 --> 00:18:06,692 IT WAS BEING SPENT TO HELP THIS COMMUNITY. 552 00:18:06,694 --> 00:18:07,859 COMMUNITY. THE FACT THAT HE IS ELEVATING 553 00:18:07,861 --> 00:18:09,942 THE FACT THAT HE IS ELEVATING AND THAT HE AS THE FIRST BLACK 554 00:18:09,944 --> 00:18:11,646 AND THAT HE AS THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT CAN SPEAK TO THESE 555 00:18:11,648 --> 00:18:12,530 PRESIDENT CAN SPEAK TO THESE FAMILIES AND THESE YOUNG MEN 556 00:18:12,532 --> 00:18:13,571 FAMILIES AND THESE YOUNG MEN ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE MEANS THAT 557 00:18:13,573 --> 00:18:16,442 ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE MEANS THAT I THINK HE WILL BE ABLE TO PUSH 558 00:18:16,444 --> 00:18:17,453 I THINK HE WILL BE ABLE TO PUSH THIS SOME AND WE'LL HAVE A 559 00:18:17,454 --> 00:18:18,430 THIS SOME AND WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A LEGACY. 560 00:18:18,432 --> 00:18:19,346 LITTLE BIT OF A LEGACY. >> AND WHAT'S GOING COMB DONE 561 00:18:19,348 --> 00:18:20,229 >> AND WHAT'S GOING COMB DONE WITH THE MONEY? 562 00:18:20,231 --> 00:18:21,176 WITH THE MONEY? IT'S FOR WHAT? 563 00:18:21,178 --> 00:18:22,943 IT'S FOR WHAT? >> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS 564 00:18:22,945 --> 00:18:24,837 >> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT HE I'D TIED AT THIS EVENT. 565 00:18:24,838 --> 00:18:26,950 THAT HE I'D TIED AT THIS EVENT. >> HE'S GOING TO -- AND THESE 566 00:18:26,952 --> 00:18:28,718 >> HE'S GOING TO -- AND THESE ARE ALL THINGS ACTUALLY THAT HAD 567 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,831 ARE ALL THINGS ACTUALLY THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING IN THE 568 00:18:30,833 --> 00:18:31,336 ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING IN THE PHILANTHROPIC WORLD. 569 00:18:31,338 --> 00:18:33,608 PHILANTHROPIC WORLD. THERE'S A BIG EFFORT TO GET 570 00:18:33,610 --> 00:18:34,555 THERE'S A BIG EFFORT TO GET MINORITY FAMILIES TO SPEAK MORE 571 00:18:34,557 --> 00:18:36,385 MINORITY FAMILIES TO SPEAK MORE WITH THEIR CHILDREN. 572 00:18:36,387 --> 00:18:38,279 WITH THEIR CHILDREN. THERE IS REAL RESEARCH THAT 573 00:18:38,281 --> 00:18:40,172 THERE IS REAL RESEARCH THAT SHOWS TODDLER AND MINORITY 574 00:18:40,174 --> 00:18:41,213 SHOWS TODDLER AND MINORITY FAMILIES, JUST DON'T HEAR AS 575 00:18:41,215 --> 00:18:42,160 FAMILIES, JUST DON'T HEAR AS MANY WORDS. 576 00:18:42,162 --> 00:18:44,211 MANY WORDS. THREE MILLION FEWER WORDS THAN 577 00:18:44,213 --> 00:18:45,158 THREE MILLION FEWER WORDS THAN YOUNG WHITE CHILDREN. 578 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:46,957 YOUNG WHITE CHILDREN. THAT MEANS THEY'RE AT A HUGE 579 00:18:46,958 --> 00:18:47,903 THAT MEANS THEY'RE AT A HUGE DISADVANTAGE WHEN THEY GET TO 580 00:18:47,905 --> 00:18:48,754 DISADVANTAGE WHEN THEY GET TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 581 00:18:48,756 --> 00:18:50,806 ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THERE'S ANOTHER ISSUE OF 582 00:18:50,807 --> 00:18:51,153 THERE'S ANOTHER ISSUE OF LITERACY. 583 00:18:51,155 --> 00:18:52,573 LITERACY. THIS COMMUNITY IS NOT READING AS 584 00:18:52,575 --> 00:18:55,539 THIS COMMUNITY IS NOT READING AS WELL GOING INTO FOURTH GRADE AS 585 00:18:55,541 --> 00:18:57,401 WELL GOING INTO FOURTH GRADE AS YOUNG WHITE PEOPLE ARE READING. 586 00:18:57,403 --> 00:18:58,442 YOUNG WHITE PEOPLE ARE READING. THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUSH 587 00:18:58,444 --> 00:18:59,263 THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUSH THERE. 588 00:18:59,265 --> 00:19:00,493 THERE. THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT THE 589 00:19:00,495 --> 00:19:02,198 THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH 590 00:19:02,199 --> 00:19:03,365 PRESIDENT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION WITH 591 00:19:03,366 --> 00:19:05,290 THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION WITH ZERO TOLERANCE. 592 00:19:05,292 --> 00:19:07,025 ZERO TOLERANCE. THERE WAS A DISCIPLINE EFFORT 593 00:19:07,027 --> 00:19:08,855 THERE WAS A DISCIPLINE EFFORT THAT CAME MUCH THROUGH THE 594 00:19:08,857 --> 00:19:10,023 THAT CAME MUCH THROUGH THE 1990'S AND HAS CONTINUED IN 595 00:19:10,025 --> 00:19:11,726 1990'S AND HAS CONTINUED IN RECENT YEARS. 596 00:19:11,728 --> 00:19:12,831 RECENT YEARS. RESEARCH SHOWS THAT THIS AFFECTS 597 00:19:12,833 --> 00:19:13,841 RESEARCH SHOWS THAT THIS AFFECTS THE COMMUNITY. 598 00:19:13,843 --> 00:19:14,788 THE COMMUNITY. THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION HAS 599 00:19:14,790 --> 00:19:16,650 THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION HAS BEEN EDGE COURAGING SCHOOLS TO 600 00:19:16,652 --> 00:19:17,628 BEEN EDGE COURAGING SCHOOLS TO REVISIT THOSE POLICY. 601 00:19:17,630 --> 00:19:21,445 REVISIT THOSE POLICY. AND THERE'S A CRIMINAL JUSTICE 602 00:19:21,447 --> 00:19:22,266 AND THERE'S A CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM ELEMENT. 603 00:19:22,268 --> 00:19:23,308 REFORM ELEMENT. THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF THIS 604 00:19:23,309 --> 00:19:25,170 THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF THIS COMMUNITY BEING CHANNELED FROM 605 00:19:25,172 --> 00:19:28,041 COMMUNITY BEING CHANNELED FROM SUSPENSIONS IN SCHOO 606 00:19:28,043 --> 00:19:28,861 SUSPENSIONS IN SCHOO CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IF 607 00:19:28,863 --> 00:19:30,944 CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IF YOU'RE A WHITE SUBURBAN KID AND 608 00:19:30,946 --> 00:19:32,017 YOU'RE A WHITE SUBURBAN KID AND YOU GET QUATH A LITTLE BIT OF 609 00:19:32,018 --> 00:19:34,004 YOU GET QUATH A LITTLE BIT OF POT IN YOUR BACKPACK IN YOUR 610 00:19:34,006 --> 00:19:35,614 POT IN YOUR BACKPACK IN YOUR SCHOOL OR PRIVATE SCHOOL, IT'S 611 00:19:35,616 --> 00:19:39,274 SCHOOL OR PRIVATE SCHOOL, IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT THE COMES WILL BE 612 00:19:39,276 --> 00:19:41,263 NOT CLEAR THAT THE COMES WILL BE CALLED -- 613 00:19:41,265 --> 00:19:43,313 CALLED -- GWEN: HE SAID HE SPOKE FROM 614 00:19:43,315 --> 00:19:43,692 GWEN: HE SAID HE SPOKE FROM EXPERIENCE. 615 00:19:43,694 --> 00:19:45,364 EXPERIENCE. >> HE IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT 616 00:19:45,366 --> 00:19:46,090 >> HE IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT THAT SAID HE GOT HIGH. 617 00:19:46,092 --> 00:19:48,204 THAT SAID HE GOT HIGH. >> A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT HE 618 00:19:48,206 --> 00:19:49,908 >> A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT HE WOULD TALK MORE ABOUT THIS. 619 00:19:49,910 --> 00:19:51,802 WOULD TALK MORE ABOUT THIS. SOME SURMISED THAT HE WASN'T 620 00:19:51,803 --> 00:19:53,726 SOME SURMISED THAT HE WASN'T GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT UNTIL HE 621 00:19:53,728 --> 00:19:55,557 GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT UNTIL HE GOT RE-ELECTED BECAUSE OF THE 622 00:19:55,559 --> 00:19:56,440 GOT RE-ELECTED BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY. 623 00:19:56,442 --> 00:19:57,671 HISTORY. WHAT TOOK SO LONG? 624 00:19:57,673 --> 00:19:59,438 WHAT TOOK SO LONG? AND IS THERE A SENSE THAT HE'S 625 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:00,448 AND IS THERE A SENSE THAT HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN HE 626 00:20:00,450 --> 00:20:01,268 GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN HE LEAVES OFFICE? 627 00:20:01,270 --> 00:20:02,467 LEAVES OFFICE? >> THAT POINT IS GOING TO BE 628 00:20:02,469 --> 00:20:02,751 >> THAT POINT IS GOING TO BE RIGHT. 629 00:20:02,753 --> 00:20:04,171 RIGHT. THIS IS ONE OF THE ISSUES HE 630 00:20:04,173 --> 00:20:05,371 THIS IS ONE OF THE ISSUES HE TAKES WITH HIM WHEN HE LEAVES 631 00:20:05,372 --> 00:20:07,926 TAKES WITH HIM WHEN HE LEAVES OFFICE IN 2007 HE GAVE A SPEECH. 632 00:20:07,928 --> 00:20:10,766 OFFICE IN 2007 HE GAVE A SPEECH. HE SAID IF YOU ELECT ME,LY BRING 633 00:20:10,768 --> 00:20:12,628 HE SAID IF YOU ELECT ME,LY BRING A NEW DAWN OF JUSTICE. 634 00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:17,614 A NEW DAWN OF JUSTICE. HE WILL TAKE ON OTHER ISSUES AND 635 00:20:17,616 --> 00:20:19,381 HE WILL TAKE ON OTHER ISSUES AND WE'VE GOT THE HEALTH CARE FIGHT, 636 00:20:19,383 --> 00:20:20,517 WE'VE GOT THE HEALTH CARE FIGHT, THE DEFICIT BATTLE. 637 00:20:20,519 --> 00:20:23,419 THE DEFICIT BATTLE. HE HAD A VERY DIFFICULT 638 00:20:23,421 --> 00:20:23,799 HE HAD A VERY DIFFICULT RE-ELECTION. 639 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,291 RE-ELECTION. JUST A MONTH BEFORE, HE GAVE AN 640 00:20:26,293 --> 00:20:28,216 JUST A MONTH BEFORE, HE GAVE AN INTERVIEW WITH BLACK ENTERPRISE 641 00:20:28,218 --> 00:20:30,109 INTERVIEW WITH BLACK ENTERPRISE MAGAZINE HE SAID, I'M NOT THE 642 00:20:30,111 --> 00:20:30,961 MAGAZINE HE SAID, I'M NOT THE PRESIDENT OF BLACK AMERICA. 643 00:20:30,963 --> 00:20:33,990 PRESIDENT OF BLACK AMERICA. HE DIDN'T WANT THAT IDEA THAT HE 644 00:20:33,992 --> 00:20:36,073 HE DIDN'T WANT THAT IDEA THAT HE WAS FAVORING ONE PARTICULAR 645 00:20:36,075 --> 00:20:36,452 WAS FAVORING ONE PARTICULAR GROUP. 646 00:20:36,454 --> 00:20:38,566 GROUP. I DID AN INTERVIEW BEFORE THAT 647 00:20:38,568 --> 00:20:38,913 I DID AN INTERVIEW BEFORE THAT ELECTION. 648 00:20:38,915 --> 00:20:40,459 ELECTION. AND I FOUND OUT THAT WHEN HE 649 00:20:40,461 --> 00:20:42,227 AND I FOUND OUT THAT WHEN HE CAME DOWN WITH HIS SENIOR AIDS 650 00:20:42,228 --> 00:20:44,151 CAME DOWN WITH HIS SENIOR AIDS JUST WEEK BFERS HE GOT 651 00:20:44,153 --> 00:20:47,054 JUST WEEK BFERS HE GOT RE-ELECTED, HE HAD A YELLOW NOTE 652 00:20:47,056 --> 00:20:47,307 RE-ELECTED, HE HAD A YELLOW NOTE PAD. 653 00:20:47,309 --> 00:20:48,884 PAD. EVEN IF THIS WASN'T AN ISSUE, HE 654 00:20:48,886 --> 00:20:50,178 EVEN IF THIS WASN'T AN ISSUE, HE PUT CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM ON 655 00:20:50,180 --> 00:20:53,650 PUT CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM ON THERE AND HE STARTED PUSHING -- 656 00:20:53,652 --> 00:20:54,659 THERE AND HE STARTED PUSHING -- GWEN: WE'VE GOT TO GO. 657 00:20:54,661 --> 00:20:59,835 GWEN: WE'VE GOT TO GO. MICHAEL'S MORE IN 658 00:20:59,836 --> 00:21:01,285 MICHAEL'S MORE IN STORY IN "TIME MAGAZINE." 659 00:21:01,287 --> 00:21:03,274 STORY IN "TIME MAGAZINE." >> WE HAVE TO LEAVE TO GIVE YOU 660 00:21:03,276 --> 00:21:05,357 >> WE HAVE TO LEAVE TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL 661 00:21:05,358 --> 00:21:06,334 A CHANCE TO SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL PBS STATION. 662 00:21:06,336 --> 00:21:06,934 PBS STATION. BUT OUR CONVERSATION WILL 663 00:21:06,936 --> 00:21:09,206 BUT OUR CONVERSATION WILL CONTINUE ONLINE ON THE 664 00:21:09,207 --> 00:21:10,121 CONTINUE ONLINE ON THE "WASHINGTON WEEK" WEB CAST 665 00:21:10,123 --> 00:21:10,405 "WASHINGTON WEEK" WEB CAST EXTRA. 666 00:21:10,407 --> 00:21:12,866 EXTRA. IT STREAMS LIVE AT 8:30 AND ALL 667 00:21:12,868 --> 00:21:17,978 IT STREAMS LIVE AT 8:30 AND ALL EK LONG AT 668 00:21:17,980 --> 00:21:18,546 EK LONG AT PBS.ORG/WASHINGTONWEEK. 669 00:21:18,548 --> 00:21:20,408 PBS.ORG/WASHINGTONWEEK. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL FIND MY 670 00:21:20,410 --> 00:21:23,216 AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL FIND MY TAKE AND WHY 1997 WAS SUCH A BIG 671 00:21:23,218 --> 00:21:24,573 TAKE AND WHY 1997 WAS SUCH A BIG YEAR FOR "WASHINGTON WEEK." 672 00:21:24,575 --> 00:21:24,668 YEAR FOR "WASHINGTON WEEK." 673 00:21:24,670 --> 00:21:28,991 WE'RE ACCEPTING BIRTHDAY WISHES. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. 674 00:21:28,993 --> 00:21:38,457 WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. GOOD NIGHT.