WEBVTT 00:00.100 --> 01:14.978 align:start GWEN: THE GROUND IS SHIFTING IN UKRAINE ON GAY RIGHTS AND CONGRESS AND IN SOCIETY. 01:14.980 --> 01:17.913 align:start UKRAINE ON GAY RIGHTS AND CONGRESS AND IN SOCIETY. WE EXPLORE IT ALL TONIGHT ON 01:17.915 --> 01:18.796 align:start CONGRESS AND IN SOCIETY. WE EXPLORE IT ALL TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK." 01:18.798 --> 01:21.731 align:start WE EXPLORE IT ALL TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK." >> ANY VIOLATION OF UKRAINE'S 01:21.733 --> 01:23.624 align:start "WASHINGTON WEEK." >> ANY VIOLATION OF UKRAINE'S SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL 01:23.626 --> 01:26.433 align:start >> ANY VIOLATION OF UKRAINE'S SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY WOULD BE DEEPLY 01:26.435 --> 01:29.304 align:start SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY WOULD BE DEEPLY DISABLING WHICH WOULD NOT BE IN 01:29.306 --> 01:31.324 align:start INTEGRITY WOULD BE DEEPLY DISABLING WHICH WOULD NOT BE IN THE INTEREST OF UKRAINE, RUSSIA 01:31.326 --> 01:32.113 align:start DISABLING WHICH WOULD NOT BE IN THE INTEREST OF UKRAINE, RUSSIA OR EUROPE. 01:32.115 --> 01:33.438 align:start THE INTEREST OF UKRAINE, RUSSIA OR EUROPE. >> WE BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY 01:33.440 --> 01:36.152 align:start OR EUROPE. >> WE BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO STEP BACK AND AVOID ANY 01:36.154 --> 01:42.684 align:start >> WE BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO STEP BACK AND AVOID ANY PROVOCATION. 01:42.686 --> 01:45.713 align:start NEEDS TO STEP BACK AND AVOID ANY PROVOCATION. >> THE SECRETARY OF STATE MEANS 01:45.715 --> 01:46.029 align:start PROVOCATION. >> THE SECRETARY OF STATE MEANS RUSSIA. 01:46.031 --> 01:48.616 align:start >> THE SECRETARY OF STATE MEANS RUSSIA. AS TENSIONS ESCALATE IN UKRAINE. 01:48.618 --> 01:51.424 align:start RUSSIA. AS TENSIONS ESCALATE IN UKRAINE. THE STANDOFF IS LOOKING MORE 01:51.426 --> 01:58.997 align:start AS TENSIONS ESCALATE IN UKRAINE. THE STANDOFF IS LOOKING MORE . LD WAR 01:58.999 --> 02:03.036 align:start ARIZONA LOOKS AT THE DEBATES WHETHER ONE GROUP CAN VIOLATE 02:03.038 --> 02:03.699 align:start WHETHER ONE GROUP CAN VIOLATE THE OTHER'S. 02:03.701 --> 02:07.170 align:start THE OTHER'S. IN WASHINGTON, CONGRESSIONAL 02:07.172 --> 02:09.505 align:start IN WASHINGTON, CONGRESSIONAL BRAIN DRAIN AFTER ONE SERVING 02:09.507 --> 02:11.272 align:start BRAIN DRAIN AFTER ONE SERVING MEMBER AFTER ANOTHER OPTS OUT. 02:11.274 --> 02:13.291 align:start MEMBER AFTER ANOTHER OPTS OUT. >> I HAVE FOUND GREAT 02:13.293 --> 02:15.154 align:start >> I HAVE FOUND GREAT SA THIS COUNTRY. 02:15.155 --> 02:17.268 align:start SA THIS COUNTRY. GWEN: AND AT THE WHITE HOUSE, 02:17.270 --> 02:19.193 align:start GWEN: AND AT THE WHITE HOUSE, THE PRESIDENT REACHES OUT TO THE 02:19.195 --> 02:22.853 align:start THE PRESIDENT REACHES OUT TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO ADDRESS PUBLIC 02:22.854 --> 02:23.105 align:start PRIVATE SECTOR TO ADDRESS PUBLIC ILL. 02:23.107 --> 02:24.841 align:start ILL. >> I SEE MYSELF IN THESE YOUNG 02:24.843 --> 02:25.093 align:start >> I SEE MYSELF IN THESE YOUNG MEN. 02:25.095 --> 02:26.639 align:start MEN. AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT 02:26.641 --> 02:27.996 align:start AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT I GREW UP IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT 02:27.998 --> 02:30.458 align:start I GREW UP IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE FORGIVING. 02:30.460 --> 02:34.308 align:start IS A LITTLE BIT MORE FORGIVING. GWEN: LAUNCHING A NEW EFFORT TO 02:34.310 --> 02:37.116 align:start GWEN: LAUNCHING A NEW EFFORT TO HELP YOUNG MEN AND BOYS OF 02:37.118 --> 02:38.126 align:start HELP YOUNG MEN AND BOYS OF COLOR. 02:38.128 --> 02:39.167 align:start COLOR. COVERING THE WEEK PETE WILLIAMS 02:39.169 --> 02:41.881 align:start COVERING THE WEEK PETE WILLIAMS OF NBC NEWS. 02:41.883 --> 02:44.153 align:start OF NBC NEWS. ED O'KEEFE OF "THE WASHINGTON 02:44.155 --> 02:44.752 align:start ED O'KEEFE OF "THE WASHINGTON POST." 02:44.754 --> 02:47.656 align:start POST." AND MICHAEL SHEERER OF "TIME" 02:47.657 --> 02:48.539 align:start AND MICHAEL SHEERER OF "TIME" MAGAZINE. 02:48.541 --> 02:50.843 align:start MAGAZINE. >> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND 02:50.844 --> 02:53.398 align:start >> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS IT 02:53.400 --> 02:54.377 align:start ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS. 02:54.379 --> 02:57.248 align:start HAPPENS. LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, 02:57.250 --> 03:00.119 align:start LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH 03:00.121 --> 03:01.256 align:start THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH GWEN IFILL. 03:01.256 --> 03:04.094 align:start >> ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN 03:04.096 --> 03:05.135 align:start WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN GOOD EVENING. 03:05.137 --> 03:06.807 align:start GOOD EVENING. WE START TONIGHT WITH AN UPDATE 03:06.809 --> 03:09.836 align:start WE START TONIGHT WITH AN UPDATE ON UKRAINE WHERE AN EAST-WEST 03:09.838 --> 03:11.761 align:start ON UKRAINE WHERE AN EAST-WEST DIVIDE IS GROWING AND UNCERTAIN 03:11.763 --> 03:12.581 align:start DIVIDE IS GROWING AND UNCERTAIN GOVERNMENT HAS FORMED. 03:12.583 --> 03:15.390 align:start GOVERNMENT HAS FORMED. AND OBAMA ADMINISTRATION 03:15.392 --> 03:16.621 align:start AND OBAMA ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS SUGGEST RUSSIA HAS 03:16.622 --> 03:18.293 align:start OFFICIALS SUGGEST RUSSIA HAS TROOPS ON THE GROUND. 03:18.295 --> 03:20.155 align:start TROOPS ON THE GROUND. THE PRESIDENT TODAY ISSUED HIS 03:20.157 --> 03:22.017 align:start THE PRESIDENT TODAY ISSUED HIS STERNEST WARNING YET. 03:22.019 --> 03:23.278 align:start STERNEST WARNING YET. >> JUST BEFORE THE WORLD CAME 03:23.280 --> 03:24.982 align:start >> JUST BEFORE THE WORLD CAME TOGETHER FOR THE OLYMPIC GAMES 03:24.984 --> 03:26.781 align:start TOGETHER FOR THE OLYMPIC GAMES IT WOULD INVITE THE CON DEN 03:26.783 --> 03:27.917 align:start IT WOULD INVITE THE CON DEN NATION OF NATIONS AROUND THE 03:27.919 --> 03:28.611 align:start NATION OF NATIONS AROUND THE WORLD. 03:28.613 --> 03:29.905 align:start WORLD. AND INDEED THE UNITED STATES 03:29.907 --> 03:31.609 align:start AND INDEED THE UNITED STATES WILL STAND WITH THE 03:31.611 --> 03:32.524 align:start WILL STAND WITH THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IN 03:32.526 --> 03:34.291 align:start INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IN AFFIRMING THERE WILL BE COST FOR 03:34.293 --> 03:36.469 align:start AFFIRMING THERE WILL BE COST FOR ANY MILITARY INTERVENTION IN 03:36.471 --> 03:36.784 align:start ANY MILITARY INTERVENTION IN UKRAINE. 03:36.786 --> 03:38.457 align:start UKRAINE. GWEN: EVEN BEFORE THE PRESIDENT 03:38.459 --> 03:40.192 align:start GWEN: EVEN BEFORE THE PRESIDENT SPOKE, THE U.N. WAS STEPPING UP 03:40.194 --> 03:41.108 align:start SPOKE, THE U.N. WAS STEPPING UP ITS CRITICISM. 03:41.110 --> 03:42.180 align:start ITS CRITICISM. >> THERE ARE ENOUGH TENSIONS 03:42.182 --> 03:44.862 align:start >> THERE ARE ENOUGH TENSIONS THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR 03:44.864 --> 03:46.724 align:start THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY TO BE EXTREMELY 03:46.726 --> 03:48.775 align:start EVERYBODY TO BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL NOT TO INFLAME THE 03:48.777 --> 03:50.574 align:start CAREFUL NOT TO INFLAME THE SITUATION AND NOT TO SEND THE 03:50.576 --> 03:52.435 align:start SITUATION AND NOT TO SEND THE WRONG MESSAGES. 03:52.437 --> 03:55.275 align:start WRONG MESSAGES. GWEN: I SPOKE ABOUT THAT EARLIER 03:55.277 --> 03:56.696 align:start GWEN: I SPOKE ABOUT THAT EARLIER TODAY FROM THE BLOOMBERG NEWS 03:56.698 --> 03:59.094 align:start TODAY FROM THE BLOOMBERG NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU. 03:59.096 --> 04:00.261 align:start WASHINGTON BUREAU. ENDIRA, WELCOME. 04:00.263 --> 04:05.183 align:start ENDIRA, WELCOME. EN JOHN KERRY SAYS BEWARE OF 04:05.185 --> 04:08.908 align:start EN JOHN KERRY SAYS BEWARE OF MESSAGES, WHAT HE' ARE -- WHAT'S 04:08.909 --> 04:09.222 align:start MESSAGES, WHAT HE' ARE -- WHAT'S HE MEAN? 04:09.224 --> 04:10.801 align:start HE MEAN? >> THAT'S TRYING TO PUT ON THE 04:10.803 --> 04:13.009 align:start >> THAT'S TRYING TO PUT ON THE RECORD FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO 04:13.011 --> 04:14.587 align:start RECORD FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO HEAR THAT THE UNITED STATES DOES 04:14.589 --> 04:17.490 align:start HEAR THAT THE UNITED STATES DOES NOT WANT RUSSIA TO HAVE A 04:17.492 --> 04:18.405 align:start NOT WANT RUSSIA TO HAVE A MILITARY INTERVENTION HERE. 04:18.407 --> 04:21.214 align:start MILITARY INTERVENTION HERE. THIS HAS ECHOS OF THE 04:21.216 --> 04:22.286 align:start THIS HAS ECHOS OF THE INTERVENTION BY RUSSIA IN 04:22.288 --> 04:22.602 align:start INTERVENTION BY RUSSIA IN GEORGIA. 04:22.604 --> 04:25.001 align:start GEORGIA. THE SAME KIND OF LANGUAGE 04:25.002 --> 04:26.010 align:start THE SAME KIND OF LANGUAGE PRECEEDED THAT WITH RUSSIA 04:26.012 --> 04:29.796 align:start PRECEEDED THAT WITH RUSSIA TALKING ABOUT HOW IT WAS IN ITS 04:29.798 --> 04:30.680 align:start TALKING ABOUT HOW IT WAS IN ITS NATIONAL INTEREST AT STAKE. 04:30.682 --> 04:32.636 align:start NATIONAL INTEREST AT STAKE. SO THE U.S. DOES NOT WANT TO SEE 04:32.638 --> 04:35.539 align:start SO THE U.S. DOES NOT WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN NEITHER DOES THE 04:35.541 --> 04:35.792 align:start THAT HAPPEN NEITHER DOES THE E.U. 04:35.794 --> 04:39.295 align:start E.U. GWEN: THIS IS ABOUT A CONFLICT 04:39.297 --> 04:41.283 align:start GWEN: THIS IS ABOUT A CONFLICT INVOLVING EUROPE AND RUSSIA. 04:41.285 --> 04:43.176 align:start INVOLVING EUROPE AND RUSSIA. INCREASELY IT INVOLVES U.S. AN 04:43.178 --> 04:43.492 align:start INCREASELY IT INVOLVES U.S. AN RUSSIA. 04:43.494 --> 04:45.069 align:start RUSSIA. IS THAT A CORRECT READING? 04:45.071 --> 04:46.899 align:start IS THAT A CORRECT READING? >> A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE JUMPED 04:46.901 --> 04:48.098 align:start >> A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE JUMPED ON THIS AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT 04:48.100 --> 04:49.961 align:start ON THIS AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THEY'RE CALLING A NEW COLD WAR. 04:49.962 --> 04:51.822 align:start THEY'RE CALLING A NEW COLD WAR. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE LENS 04:51.824 --> 04:52.768 align:start IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE LENS THROUGH WHICH YOU'RE LOOKING AND 04:52.770 --> 04:54.567 align:start THROUGH WHICH YOU'RE LOOKING AND WE'VE SEEN SOME EDITORIAL PAGES 04:54.569 --> 04:56.555 align:start WE'VE SEEN SOME EDITORIAL PAGES WASHINGTON TALK ABOUT THAT, A 04:56.557 --> 04:57.407 align:start WASHINGTON TALK ABOUT THAT, A NEW COLD WAR. 04:57.409 --> 04:59.364 align:start NEW COLD WAR. THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS VERY 04:59.366 --> 05:00.405 align:start THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS VERY KEEN TO GET AWAY FROM THAT 05:00.407 --> 05:01.509 align:start KEEN TO GET AWAY FROM THAT NOTION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 05:01.511 --> 05:02.078 align:start NOTION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. WHY? 05:02.080 --> 05:04.066 align:start WHY? BECAUSE OBAMA KNOWS THAT HE 05:04.068 --> 05:06.937 align:start BECAUSE OBAMA KNOWS THAT HE NEEDS PUTIN AND RUSSIA'S SUPPORT 05:06.939 --> 05:08.167 align:start NEEDS PUTIN AND RUSSIA'S SUPPORT ON OTHER KEY INTERNATIONAL 05:08.169 --> 05:10.913 align:start ON OTHER KEY INTERNATIONAL ISSUES LIKE IRAN, LIKE SYRIA, 05:10.914 --> 05:11.828 align:start ISSUES LIKE IRAN, LIKE SYRIA, LIKE NORTH KOREA. 05:11.830 --> 05:15.551 align:start LIKE NORTH KOREA. THEY DON'T WANT TO BURN ALLAME 05:15.553 --> 05:16.592 align:start THEY DON'T WANT TO BURN ALLAME KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS 05:16.594 --> 05:17.603 align:start KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO CORPORATE. 05:17.604 --> 05:20.285 align:start TO CORPORATE. AND THAT MEANS THAT AN I.M.F. 05:20.286 --> 05:21.326 align:start AND THAT MEANS THAT AN I.M.F. BAILOUT PACKAGE WOULD HOPEFULLY 05:21.328 --> 05:23.377 align:start BAILOUT PACKAGE WOULD HOPEFULLY BE PAIRED WITH RUSSIAN LONE 05:23.379 --> 05:24.418 align:start BE PAIRED WITH RUSSIAN LONE ASSISTANCE AS WELL AND THE U.S. 05:24.420 --> 05:30.856 align:start ASSISTANCE AS WELL AND THE U.S. $1 BILLION. TS OWN 05:30.857 --> 05:33.569 align:start $1 BILLION. TS OWN AS JOHN KERRY SAID THIS ISN'T 05:33.571 --> 05:34.611 align:start AS JOHN KERRY SAID THIS ISN'T "ROCKY IV." 05:34.613 --> 05:37.451 align:start "ROCKY IV." HE'S TRYING TO MAKE THE POINT 05:37.453 --> 05:40.291 align:start HE'S TRYING TO MAKE THE POINT THIS IS NOT A NEW COLD WAR. 05:40.293 --> 05:42.247 align:start THIS IS NOT A NEW COLD WAR. GWEN: ARE THERE DOLLAR SIGNS 05:42.248 --> 05:43.257 align:start GWEN: ARE THERE DOLLAR SIGNS ATTACHED TO THIS CONFLICT? 05:43.259 --> 05:43.698 align:start ATTACHED TO THIS CONFLICT? >> VERY MUCH SO. 05:43.700 --> 05:45.971 align:start >> VERY MUCH SO. I MEAN, THE UKRAINIAN ECONOMY IS 05:45.973 --> 05:47.138 align:start I MEAN, THE UKRAINIAN ECONOMY IS IN CRISIS. 05:47.140 --> 05:48.873 align:start IN CRISIS. INVESTORS ARE PULLING OUT. 05:48.875 --> 05:49.914 align:start INVESTORS ARE PULLING OUT. THE GOVERNMENT HAS SAID THAT IT 05:49.916 --> 05:52.818 align:start THE GOVERNMENT HAS SAID THAT IT NEEDS $35 BILLION IN BAILOUTS TO 05:52.820 --> 05:53.859 align:start NEEDS $35 BILLION IN BAILOUTS TO KEEP ITS ECONOMY AFLOAT. 05:53.861 --> 05:55.658 align:start KEEP ITS ECONOMY AFLOAT. THEN LATER THEY SAID THAT'S FOR 05:55.660 --> 05:56.668 align:start THEN LATER THEY SAID THAT'S FOR TWO YEARS. 05:56.670 --> 05:58.372 align:start TWO YEARS. THEY NEED AT LEAST $15 BILLION 05:58.374 --> 06:00.422 align:start THEY NEED AT LEAST $15 BILLION FOR THE FIRST YEAR FROM THE 06:00.424 --> 06:00.707 align:start FOR THE FIRST YEAR FROM THE I.M.F. 06:00.709 --> 06:03.200 align:start I.M.F. THE I.M.F. IS DOING SOME 06:03.202 --> 06:04.335 align:start THE I.M.F. IS DOING SOME FACT-FINDING AND FIGURE OUT 06:04.337 --> 06:06.260 align:start FACT-FINDING AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S POSSIBLE BUT THE I.M.F. 06:06.262 --> 06:08.091 align:start WHAT'S POSSIBLE BUT THE I.M.F. HAS BEEN BURNED TWICE ALREADY. 06:08.093 --> 06:11.782 align:start HAS BEEN BURNED TWICE ALREADY. SINCE 2008, THE TWO PREVIOUS 06:11.784 --> 06:12.855 align:start SINCE 2008, THE TWO PREVIOUS GOVERNMENTS BOTH DID NOT KEEP UP 06:12.857 --> 06:17.810 align:start GOVERNMENTS BOTH DID NOT KEEP UP EIR END OF THE AUSTERITY 06:17.812 --> 06:18.125 align:start EIR END OF THE AUSTERITY BARGAIN. 06:18.127 --> 06:19.640 align:start BARGAIN. AND THE CURRENT ONE ADMITTED 06:19.642 --> 06:24.436 align:start AND THE CURRENT ONE ADMITTED HAT IT COULD BE A VERY 06:24.438 --> 06:25.193 align:start HAT IT COULD BE A VERY POLITICAL KAMIKAZE MOVE. 06:25.195 --> 06:26.992 align:start POLITICAL KAMIKAZE MOVE. GWEN: WHO CARRYS THE WEIGHT IN 06:26.994 --> 06:29.012 align:start GWEN: WHO CARRYS THE WEIGHT IN THIS ARGUMENTS? 06:29.014 --> 06:29.327 align:start THIS ARGUMENTS? RUSSIA? 06:29.328 --> 06:30.778 align:start RUSSIA? THE U.S.? 06:30.780 --> 06:31.725 align:start THE U.S.? E.U.? 06:31.727 --> 06:34.565 align:start E.U.? ARE WE EXPECTING ANOTHER SUITER? 06:34.567 --> 06:36.743 align:start ARE WE EXPECTING ANOTHER SUITER? >> THAT'S THE $15 BILLION 06:36.745 --> 06:37.184 align:start >> THAT'S THE $15 BILLION QUESTION, RIGHT? 06:37.186 --> 06:38.698 align:start QUESTION, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUNTRY 06:38.700 --> 06:41.571 align:start WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUNTRY THAT SITS IN A VERY KEY 06:41.572 --> 06:42.012 align:start THAT SITS IN A VERY KEY STRATEGIC PLACE. 06:42.014 --> 06:44.378 align:start STRATEGIC PLACE. ON THE BORDER OF RUSSIA ON ONE 06:44.380 --> 06:44.663 align:start ON THE BORDER OF RUSSIA ON ONE SIDE. 06:44.665 --> 06:46.209 align:start SIDE. ON THE BORDER OF NATO ON THE 06:46.211 --> 06:47.124 align:start ON THE BORDER OF NATO ON THE OTHER SIDE. 06:47.126 --> 06:49.144 align:start OTHER SIDE. THE WHOLE THING THAT 06:49.146 --> 06:50.943 align:start THE WHOLE THING THAT PRECIPITATED THIS IS THE 06:50.944 --> 06:52.867 align:start PRECIPITATED THIS IS THE GOVERNMENT PULLED OUT THAT WAS 06:52.869 --> 06:54.034 align:start GOVERNMENT PULLED OUT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH 06:54.036 --> 06:55.644 align:start SUPPOSED TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THEM LAST YEAR THAT WOULD HAVE 06:55.646 --> 06:57.599 align:start THEM LAST YEAR THAT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO SEEK MEMBERSHIP 06:57.602 --> 06:59.714 align:start ALLOWED THEM TO SEEK MEMBERSHIP OF THE E.U. AND HE DECIDED TO 06:59.716 --> 07:03.501 align:start OF THE E.U. AND HE DECIDED TO BACK OUT YANOKOVIC AND DECIDED 07:03.502 --> 07:05.394 align:start BACK OUT YANOKOVIC AND DECIDED TO ALLY HIMSELF WITH RUSSIA. 07:05.396 --> 07:07.225 align:start TO ALLY HIMSELF WITH RUSSIA. A LOT OF PEOPLE IT'S RIGHT THERE 07:07.227 --> 07:09.086 align:start A LOT OF PEOPLE IT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE SEAM OF EUROPE AND IT'S 07:09.088 --> 07:11.800 align:start AT THE SEAM OF EUROPE AND IT'S VERY KEEN WHICH WAY IT WORKS. 07:11.802 --> 07:13.945 align:start VERY KEEN WHICH WAY IT WORKS. OUR KEY CRITICAL GAS PIPELINES 07:13.948 --> 07:15.712 align:start OUR KEY CRITICAL GAS PIPELINES THROUGH WHICH HALF OF THE GAS 07:15.713 --> 07:17.069 align:start THROUGH WHICH HALF OF THE GAS THAT RUSSIA EXPORTS THROUGH 07:17.071 --> 07:18.805 align:start THAT RUSSIA EXPORTS THROUGH EUROPE GOES THROUGH THOSE 07:18.807 --> 07:21.487 align:start EUROPE GOES THROUGH THOSE PIPELINES THROUGH THE UKRAINE. 07:21.489 --> 07:23.412 align:start PIPELINES THROUGH THE UKRAINE. THERE ARE MONEY ISSUE, GOOD 07:23.414 --> 07:31.111 align:start THERE ARE MONEY ISSUE, GOOD GEO POLITICAL -- 07:31.113 --> 07:31.427 align:start GEO POLITICAL -- ISSUES. 07:31.429 --> 07:32.247 align:start ISSUES. GWEN: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US 07:32.249 --> 07:32.752 align:start GWEN: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. 07:32.754 --> 07:33.951 align:start TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU. 07:33.953 --> 07:37.643 align:start >> THANK YOU. >> WHEN IT COMES TO EXPANDING 07:37.645 --> 07:40.578 align:start >> WHEN IT COMES TO EXPANDING RIGHTS FOR GAYS AND LESBIANS, 07:40.580 --> 07:41.619 align:start RIGHTS FOR GAYS AND LESBIANS, THERE WAS A BIG VETO IN ARIZONA. 07:41.621 --> 07:43.387 align:start THERE WAS A BIG VETO IN ARIZONA. A GAY MARRIAGE RULING IN TEXAS 07:43.388 --> 07:45.406 align:start A GAY MARRIAGE RULING IN TEXAS AND NEW GUIDANCE FROM THE U.S. 07:45.407 --> 07:45.879 align:start AND NEW GUIDANCE FROM THE U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL. 07:45.880 --> 07:47.362 align:start ATTORNEY GENERAL. IN ARIZONA JANUARY BREWER KILLED 07:47.364 --> 07:48.214 align:start IN ARIZONA JANUARY BREWER KILLED A MEASURE THAT WOULD HAVE 07:48.216 --> 07:51.054 align:start A MEASURE THAT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED BUSINESSES TO USE 07:51.056 --> 07:52.884 align:start ALLOWED BUSINESSES TO USE RELIGIOUS BELIEF AS A DEFENSE 07:52.886 --> 07:54.715 align:start RELIGIOUS BELIEF AS A DEFENSE AGAINST DISCRIMINATION LAWSUITS. 07:54.717 --> 07:56.955 align:start AGAINST DISCRIMINATION LAWSUITS. >> I SINCERELY BELIEF THAT 07:56.957 --> 07:58.596 align:start >> I SINCERELY BELIEF THAT SENATE BILL 1062 HAS THE 07:58.597 --> 08:01.436 align:start SENATE BILL 1062 HAS THE POTENTIAL TO CREATE MORE 08:01.438 --> 08:04.401 align:start POTENTIAL TO CREATE MORE PROBLEMS THAN IT PRO PORTS TO 08:04.403 --> 08:04.685 align:start PROBLEMS THAN IT PRO PORTS TO SOLVE. 08:04.688 --> 08:06.137 align:start SOLVE. I COULD DIVIDE ARIZONA IN WAYS 08:06.138 --> 08:07.430 align:start I COULD DIVIDE ARIZONA IN WAYS YOU COULD NOT EVEN IMAGINE AND 08:07.433 --> 08:10.018 align:start YOU COULD NOT EVEN IMAGINE AND NO ONE WOULD EVER WANT. 08:10.020 --> 08:11.122 align:start NO ONE WOULD EVER WANT. GWEN: BUT EVEN THOUGH THIS IS 08:11.125 --> 08:12.953 align:start GWEN: BUT EVEN THOUGH THIS IS GAY RIGHT DEBATE, THE ROOTS OF 08:12.954 --> 08:13.900 align:start GAY RIGHT DEBATE, THE ROOTS OF THE LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 08:13.901 --> 08:14.845 align:start THE LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT PIECE. 08:14.847 --> 08:16.961 align:start THAT PIECE. >> IT STARS TWO DECADES AGO WITH 08:16.963 --> 08:19.547 align:start >> IT STARS TWO DECADES AGO WITH TWO MEN WHO WORKED AT DRUG REHAB 08:19.550 --> 08:21.410 align:start TWO MEN WHO WORKED AT DRUG REHAB CENTER WHO WERE FIRED FOR 08:21.411 --> 08:24.408 align:start CENTER WHO WERE FIRED FOR SMOKING PEYOTE AT A NATIVE 08:24.410 --> 08:26.175 align:start SMOKING PEYOTE AT A NATIVE AMERICAN SURGE SERVICE. 08:26.177 --> 08:27.185 align:start AMERICAN SURGE SERVICE. THEY SAID IT WAS RITUAL. 08:27.186 --> 08:29.867 align:start THEY SAID IT WAS RITUAL. SO THE LAWS SHOULDN'T APPLY TO 08:29.869 --> 08:30.877 align:start SO THE LAWS SHOULDN'T APPLY TO THEM. 08:30.878 --> 08:32.391 align:start THEM. BUT THE U.S. SUPREME COURT SAYS 08:32.392 --> 08:34.695 align:start BUT THE U.S. SUPREME COURT SAYS THERE'S NO RELIGIOUS EXCEPTION. 08:34.697 --> 08:36.651 align:start THERE'S NO RELIGIOUS EXCEPTION. AND THAT INFURIATED CONGRESS 08:36.652 --> 08:37.756 align:start AND THAT INFURIATED CONGRESS WHICH RESPONDED BYPASSING 08:37.757 --> 08:39.428 align:start WHICH RESPONDED BYPASSING SOMETHING CALLED THE RELIGIOUS 08:39.430 --> 08:41.448 align:start SOMETHING CALLED THE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM RESTORATION ACT WHICH 08:41.449 --> 08:42.299 align:start FREEDOM RESTORATION ACT WHICH BARRED THE GOVERNMENT FROM IN 08:42.301 --> 08:44.255 align:start BARRED THE GOVERNMENT FROM IN THE PHRASE OF THE LAW 08:44.258 --> 08:46.055 align:start THE PHRASE OF THE LAW SUBSTANTIALLY BURDENENING 08:46.055 --> 08:49.936 align:start SUBSTANTIALLY BURDENENING SOMEBODY'S EXERCISE OF RELIGION. 08:49.938 --> 08:51.765 align:start SOMEBODY'S EXERCISE OF RELIGION. ARIZONA IS ONE OF MANY THAT HAS 08:51.768 --> 08:53.975 align:start ARIZONA IS ONE OF MANY THAT HAS LAWS LIKE THAT. 08:53.976 --> 08:55.679 align:start LAWS LIKE THAT. SO WHAT WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS 08:55.680 --> 08:57.667 align:start SO WHAT WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS ARIZONA LAW IS THAT IT WOULD 08:57.669 --> 08:58.771 align:start ARIZONA LAW IS THAT IT WOULD HAVE EXPANDED THE LAW TO APPLY 08:58.772 --> 09:00.570 align:start HAVE EXPANDED THE LAW TO APPLY NOST TO INDIVIDUALS BUT TO 09:00.572 --> 09:01.580 align:start NOST TO INDIVIDUALS BUT TO BUSINESSS THAT GET SUED BY 09:01.581 --> 09:04.324 align:start BUSINESSS THAT GET SUED BY SOMEONE IN A PRIVATE LAWSUIT, 09:04.326 --> 09:05.555 align:start SOMEONE IN A PRIVATE LAWSUIT, SOMEONE THAT THEY REFUSE TO 09:05.558 --> 09:07.197 align:start SOMEONE THAT THEY REFUSE TO SERVE AND WHAT GOT THE SPONSORS 09:07.199 --> 09:09.310 align:start SERVE AND WHAT GOT THE SPONSORS OF THE BILL CONCERNED WAS A 09:09.311 --> 09:10.256 align:start OF THE BILL CONCERNED WAS A DECISION LAST YEAR IN 09:10.259 --> 09:12.214 align:start DECISION LAST YEAR IN NEIGHBORING NEW MEXICO WHEN THE 09:12.216 --> 09:14.170 align:start NEIGHBORING NEW MEXICO WHEN THE SUPREME COURT THERE RULED 09:14.171 --> 09:17.925 align:start SUPREME COURT THERE RULED AGAINST A BE QUEER KEY 09:17.927 --> 09:19.850 align:start AGAINST A BE QUEER KEY PHOTOGRAPHERS WHO REFUSED TO 09:19.852 --> 09:23.637 align:start PHOTOGRAPHERS WHO REFUSED TO PHOTOGRAPH THE CEREMONY OF TWO 09:23.638 --> 09:24.551 align:start PHOTOGRAPH THE CEREMONY OF TWO WOMEN. 09:24.553 --> 09:26.634 align:start WOMEN. AND THIS IS EXACTLY AT THE HEART 09:26.637 --> 09:27.548 align:start AND THIS IS EXACTLY AT THE HEART OF THE CHALLENGE TO THE 09:27.551 --> 09:30.484 align:start OF THE CHALLENGE TO THE OBAMACARE LAW THAT THE SUPREME 09:30.485 --> 09:32.188 align:start OBAMACARE LAW THAT THE SUPREME COURT WILL HEAR NEXT MONTH. 09:32.190 --> 09:36.131 align:start COURT WILL HEAR NEXT MONTH. >> GWEN RATTLED OFF THIS WEEK'S 09:36.134 --> 09:37.268 align:start >> GWEN RATTLED OFF THIS WEEK'S DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS. 09:37.270 --> 09:39.823 align:start DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS. YOU'VE GOT FIGHTS IN STATE 09:39.826 --> 09:41.024 align:start YOU'VE GOT FIGHTS IN STATE HOUSES AND IN COURTHOUSES. 09:41.024 --> 09:42.570 align:start HOUSES AND IN COURTHOUSES. WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON? 09:42.572 --> 09:44.620 align:start WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON? >> A TEXAS JUDGE BECAME THE 09:44.623 --> 09:45.629 align:start >> A TEXAS JUDGE BECAME THE LATEST TO STRIKE DOWN A BAN ON 09:45.632 --> 09:48.375 align:start LATEST TO STRIKE DOWN A BAN ON SAME SEX MARRIAGE SAYING THAT 09:48.376 --> 09:51.562 align:start SAME SEX MARRIAGE SAYING THAT IT'S -- THERE'S NO GOOD REASON 09:51.563 --> 09:53.235 align:start IT'S -- THERE'S NO GOOD REASON TO DO THAT. 09:53.236 --> 09:55.096 align:start TO DO THAT. GWEN: HOW MANY STATES HAVE DONE 09:55.098 --> 09:55.381 align:start GWEN: HOW MANY STATES HAVE DONE THAT? 09:55.382 --> 09:57.053 align:start THAT? >> IN TERMS OF COURT ACTION, SIX 09:57.055 --> 09:57.937 align:start >> IN TERMS OF COURT ACTION, SIX OR SEVEN. 09:57.937 --> 10:00.809 align:start OR SEVEN. WE HAVE 17 STATES IN WHICH SAME 10:00.811 --> 10:01.818 align:start WE HAVE 17 STATES IN WHICH SAME SEX MARRIAGE IS ALLOWED. 10:01.820 --> 10:03.774 align:start SEX MARRIAGE IS ALLOWED. WE HAVE A TRIAL THAT STARRED 10:03.775 --> 10:04.689 align:start WE HAVE A TRIAL THAT STARRED THIS WEEK IN MICHIGAN OVER ITS 10:04.692 --> 10:05.479 align:start THIS WEEK IN MICHIGAN OVER ITS BAN. 10:05.480 --> 10:07.403 align:start BAN. AND JUST THIS WEEK A KENTUCKY 10:07.404 --> 10:09.390 align:start AND JUST THIS WEEK A KENTUCKY JUDGE MADE HIS RULING FINAL 10:09.393 --> 10:10.275 align:start JUDGE MADE HIS RULING FINAL WHILE KENTUCKY DOES NOT HAVE TO 10:10.277 --> 10:13.145 align:start WHILE KENTUCKY DOES NOT HAVE TO ALLOW SAME SEX MARRIAGES TO BE 10:13.148 --> 10:14.945 align:start ALLOW SAME SEX MARRIAGES TO BE PERFORMED, IT HAS TO BE 10:14.946 --> 10:16.301 align:start PERFORMED, IT HAS TO BE RECOGNIZED MARRIAGES IN OTHER 10:16.304 --> 10:16.837 align:start RECOGNIZED MARRIAGES IN OTHER STATES. 10:16.840 --> 10:18.795 align:start STATES. >> HOW IS ERIC HOLDER GETTING 10:18.797 --> 10:19.930 align:start >> HOW IS ERIC HOLDER GETTING INVOLVED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS? 10:19.933 --> 10:21.855 align:start INVOLVED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS? >> HE GAVE A VERY INTERESTING 10:21.857 --> 10:25.453 align:start >> HE GAVE A VERY INTERESTING SPEECH BEFORE THE NATIONAL OF 10:25.454 --> 10:26.589 align:start SPEECH BEFORE THE NATIONAL OF ASSOCIATION OF ATTORNEYS 10:26.590 --> 10:27.345 align:start ASSOCIATION OF ATTORNEYS GENERAL. 10:27.348 --> 10:30.217 align:start GENERAL. HE THINKS THAT ANY LAW THAT 10:30.218 --> 10:35.960 align:start HE THINKS THAT ANY LAW THAT SHOULD BE IONS ON IT 10:35.961 --> 10:36.906 align:start SHOULD BE IONS ON IT SUSPICIOUS. 10:36.909 --> 10:38.957 align:start SUSPICIOUS. NOW, HE DIDN'T TELL THE 10:38.960 --> 10:39.810 align:start NOW, HE DIDN'T TELL THE ATTORNEYS GENERAL YOU SHOULD DO 10:39.811 --> 10:41.956 align:start ATTORNEYS GENERAL YOU SHOULD DO THAT TOO BUT THAT WAS SORT OF 10:41.958 --> 10:42.334 align:start THAT TOO BUT THAT WAS SORT OF THE MESSAGE. 10:42.335 --> 10:43.754 align:start THE MESSAGE. GWEN: BUT ISN'T IT WEIRD TO HAVE 10:43.757 --> 10:48.455 align:start GWEN: BUT ISN'T IT WEIRD TO HAVE THE NATION'S CHIEF ENFORCEMENT 10:48.458 --> 10:49.403 align:start THE NATION'S CHIEF ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO ADVISE OTHER 10:49.405 --> 10:51.201 align:start OFFICERS TO ADVISE OTHER OFFICERS DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT, 10:51.203 --> 10:52.179 align:start OFFICERS DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT, JUST LET IT GO? 10:52.182 --> 10:54.988 align:start JUST LET IT GO? >> MANY OF THEM THOUGHT SO. 10:54.989 --> 10:58.207 align:start >> MANY OF THEM THOUGHT SO. MANY WERE SPEECH 10:58.208 --> 10:58.584 align:start MANY WERE SPEECH AFTERWARDS. 10:58.587 --> 10:59.943 align:start AFTERWARDS. THIS IS WHAT HE DID WHEN THE 10:59.944 --> 11:00.953 align:start THIS IS WHAT HE DID WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION HAD TO DECIDE 11:00.953 --> 11:03.729 align:start ADMINISTRATION HAD TO DECIDE WHETHER TO DEFEND IN COURT THE 11:03.731 --> 11:05.622 align:start WHETHER TO DEFEND IN COURT THE DEFENSE IN MARRIAGE ACT. 11:05.623 --> 11:08.368 align:start DEFENSE IN MARRIAGE ACT. THERE ARE LOTS OF EXAMPLES WHERE 11:08.370 --> 11:09.661 align:start THERE ARE LOTS OF EXAMPLES WHERE U.S. AN STATE ATTORNEYS GENERAL 11:09.663 --> 11:11.366 align:start U.S. AN STATE ATTORNEYS GENERAL HAVE DECLINED TO DEFEND LAWS 11:11.368 --> 11:13.416 align:start HAVE DECLINED TO DEFEND LAWS THAT THEY THINK IS 11:13.417 --> 11:13.858 align:start THAT THEY THINK IS UNCONSTITUTION. 11:13.860 --> 11:17.076 align:start UNCONSTITUTION. >> DOES HE HAVE A LOT OF SWAY 11:17.079 --> 11:18.022 align:start >> DOES HE HAVE A LOT OF SWAY WITH ATTORNEYS GENERALS? 11:18.025 --> 11:22.946 align:start WITH ATTORNEYS GENERALS? > TO SOME EXTENT HIS REMARKS 11:22.947 --> 11:25.722 align:start > TO SOME EXTENT HIS REMARKS WAS REMARKING ON SOMETHING 11:25.724 --> 11:28.279 align:start WAS REMARKING ON SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED. 11:28.280 --> 11:30.330 align:start THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED. STATES ATTORNEYS GENERAL HAVE 11:30.332 --> 11:31.212 align:start STATES ATTORNEYS GENERAL HAVE DECLINED TO DEFEND THE LAW. 11:31.215 --> 11:33.454 align:start DECLINED TO DEFEND THE LAW. O SO TO SOME EXTENT THEY ARE 11:33.455 --> 11:35.158 align:start O SO TO SOME EXTENT THEY ARE KIND OF ON A ROLL. 11:35.159 --> 11:37.145 align:start KIND OF ON A ROLL. GWEN: WILL THIS BARREL STRAIGHT 11:37.147 --> 11:38.218 align:start GWEN: WILL THIS BARREL STRAIGHT TO THE SUPREME COURT? 11:38.221 --> 11:39.891 align:start TO THE SUPREME COURT? >> WELL, WE'LL SEE. 11:39.892 --> 11:41.783 align:start >> WELL, WE'LL SEE. SO FAR MOST OF THESE LAWS ARE 11:41.786 --> 11:42.761 align:start SO FAR MOST OF THESE LAWS ARE STRIKING THE BANS DOWN. 11:42.764 --> 11:44.119 align:start STRIKING THE BANS DOWN. THE MAIN REASON THE SUPREME 11:44.120 --> 11:46.517 align:start THE MAIN REASON THE SUPREME COURT WOULD TAKE A CASE IF 11:46.519 --> 11:47.591 align:start COURT WOULD TAKE A CASE IF THERE'S A SPLIT AMONG THE COURTS 11:47.593 --> 11:49.421 align:start THERE'S A SPLIT AMONG THE COURTS OR CIRCUITS WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF 11:49.422 --> 11:50.399 align:start OR CIRCUITS WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF THAT DEVELOPS. 11:50.401 --> 11:52.418 align:start THAT DEVELOPS. GWEN: JOHN DINGELL SPENT SIX 11:52.421 --> 11:54.059 align:start GWEN: JOHN DINGELL SPENT SIX DECADES IN CONGRESS. 11:54.061 --> 12:00.717 align:start DECADES IN CONGRESS. PRECEED HIM 12:00.719 --> 12:01.727 align:start PRECEED HIM SERVED TWO. 12:01.729 --> 12:03.810 align:start SERVED TWO. BUT MANY SAY IT'S NOT FUN 12:03.812 --> 12:04.125 align:start BUT MANY SAY IT'S NOT FUN ANYMORE. 12:04.127 --> 12:05.481 align:start ANYMORE. >> THE PRESIDENT SHOULD NOT HAVE 12:05.484 --> 12:06.680 align:start >> THE PRESIDENT SHOULD NOT HAVE TO TELL THE OTHER VETS FIGHTING 12:06.683 --> 12:10.277 align:start TO TELL THE OTHER VETS FIGHTING THAT YOU CANNOT DO ILTS TESTS, 12:10.280 --> 12:12.360 align:start THAT YOU CANNOT DO ILTS TESTS, HE WILL DO IT BY EXECUTIVE 12:12.363 --> 12:12.645 align:start HE WILL DO IT BY EXECUTIVE ORDER. 12:12.647 --> 12:15.295 align:start ORDER. THAT IS NOT THE WAY THE COUNTRY 12:15.296 --> 12:16.146 align:start THAT IS NOT THE WAY THE COUNTRY IS RUN. 12:16.149 --> 12:18.073 align:start IS RUN. GWEN: ALL TOLD, THE RETIREMENT 12:18.074 --> 12:19.333 align:start GWEN: ALL TOLD, THE RETIREMENT OF DINGELL AND OTHERS SO FAR ADD 12:19.336 --> 12:21.133 align:start OF DINGELL AND OTHERS SO FAR ADD UP TO ABOUT 300 YEARS OF 12:21.134 --> 12:22.080 align:start UP TO ABOUT 300 YEARS OF CONGRESSIONAL EXPERIENCE. 12:22.082 --> 12:23.911 align:start CONGRESSIONAL EXPERIENCE. SO THIS IS A BIG SHIFT OR NOT, 12:23.912 --> 12:24.762 align:start SO THIS IS A BIG SHIFT OR NOT, ED? 12:24.763 --> 12:26.750 align:start ED? >> IT IS AND IT CONTINUE AS 12:26.752 --> 12:27.759 align:start >> IT IS AND IT CONTINUE AS TREND THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR 12:27.762 --> 12:28.863 align:start TREND THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR THE PAST FEW YEAR WHERE IS THE 12:28.866 --> 12:31.420 align:start THE PAST FEW YEAR WHERE IS THE OLDER GENERATIONS OF LAWMAKER 12:31.422 --> 12:35.333 align:start OLDER GENERATIONS OF LAWMAKER WHO ARE TOTALLY NOT ACCUSTOM THE 12:35.334 --> 12:41.234 align:start WHO ARE TOTALLY NOT ACCUSTOM THE SAYING FORGET 12:41.235 --> 12:41.486 align:start SAYING FORGET IT. 12:41.488 --> 12:43.126 align:start IT. THE FACT THAT YOU SAW REALLY THE 12:43.129 --> 12:46.850 align:start THE FACT THAT YOU SAW REALLY THE DEAN -- HE RIDES AROUND IN A 12:46.852 --> 12:48.713 align:start DEAN -- HE RIDES AROUND IN A MOTORIZED SCOOTER THAT SAYS "THE 12:48.714 --> 12:52.563 align:start MOTORIZED SCOOTER THAT SAYS "THE DEAN" ON IT BASICALLY SAID THAT 12:52.564 --> 12:53.477 align:start DEAN" ON IT BASICALLY SAID THAT IT'S OBNOXIOUS UP THERE. 12:53.479 --> 12:54.550 align:start IT'S OBNOXIOUS UP THERE. CONSIDERING THE FACT HE CAME TOP 12:54.551 --> 12:57.200 align:start CONSIDERING THE FACT HE CAME TOP THE OFFICE IN 1955. 12:57.202 --> 12:59.189 align:start THE OFFICE IN 1955. 12 DAYS AFTER ROSA PARKS REFUSED 12:59.190 --> 13:02.060 align:start 12 DAYS AFTER ROSA PARKS REFUSED TO GIVE UP HER SEAT ON THAT 13:02.062 --> 13:02.944 align:start TO GIVE UP HER SEAT ON THAT BIRMINGHAMMINGHAM BUS. 13:02.945 --> 13:05.058 align:start BIRMINGHAMMINGHAM BUS. AND HE WAS IN OFFICE 12 YEARS 13:05.059 --> 13:06.856 align:start AND HE WAS IN OFFICE 12 YEARS BEFORE THIS SHOW STARTED. 13:06.859 --> 13:07.204 align:start BEFORE THIS SHOW STARTED. [LAUGHTER] 13:07.205 --> 13:08.750 align:start [LAUGHTER] >> AND HE MADE A REALLY 13:08.751 --> 13:10.011 align:start >> AND HE MADE A REALLY INTERESTING COMMENT TO BLOOMBERG 13:10.014 --> 13:11.905 align:start INTERESTING COMMENT TO BLOOMBERG NEWS WHERE HE SAID THE PRESIDENT 13:11.906 --> 13:15.471 align:start NEWS WHERE HE SAID THE PRESIDENT HE MOST ADMIRED WAS LYNDON 13:15.473 --> 13:16.417 align:start HE MOST ADMIRED WAS LYNDON JOHNSON AND HE CONSIDERS NEWT 13:16.420 --> 13:18.248 align:start JOHNSON AND HE CONSIDERS NEWT GINGRICH A VERY CLOSE FRIEND. 13:18.249 --> 13:19.510 align:start GINGRICH A VERY CLOSE FRIEND. MOST OF HIS COLLEAGUES WOULD 13:19.512 --> 13:21.971 align:start MOST OF HIS COLLEAGUES WOULD TURN THEIR, YOU KNOW, WOULD FIND 13:21.973 --> 13:23.959 align:start TURN THEIR, YOU KNOW, WOULD FIND THAT VERY ODD AND FRANKLY READ 13:23.960 --> 13:26.799 align:start THAT VERY ODD AND FRANKLY READ ABOUT THOSE GUYS IN TEXTBOOKS. 13:26.801 --> 13:27.778 align:start ABOUT THOSE GUYS IN TEXTBOOKS. >> IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE 13:27.779 --> 13:29.829 align:start >> IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE ERA OF BIPARTISAN THAT I GUESS 13:29.830 --> 13:30.585 align:start ERA OF BIPARTISAN THAT I GUESS HE GREW UP IN. 13:30.587 --> 13:31.753 align:start HE GREW UP IN. WHAT'S THE TALLY NOW. 13:31.755 --> 13:33.458 align:start WHAT'S THE TALLY NOW. HOW MANY PEOPLE WITH THAT KIND 13:33.460 --> 13:35.351 align:start HOW MANY PEOPLE WITH THAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE ARE HEADING -- 13:35.353 --> 13:37.558 align:start OF EXPERIENCE ARE HEADING -- >> HE'S ONE OF 32 MEMBERS IN THE 13:37.561 --> 13:39.232 align:start >> HE'S ONE OF 32 MEMBERS IN THE SENATE SO FAR SAYING I'M 13:39.234 --> 13:40.209 align:start SENATE SO FAR SAYING I'M RETIRING. 13:40.212 --> 13:42.230 align:start RETIRING. NOT RUNNING FOR A HIGHER OFFICE 13:42.232 --> 13:43.208 align:start NOT RUNNING FOR A HIGHER OFFICE BUT LEAVING ENTIRELY. 13:43.210 --> 13:46.174 align:start BUT LEAVING ENTIRELY. THAT'S A COMBINED 660 YEARS OF 13:46.175 --> 13:47.088 align:start THAT'S A COMBINED 660 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE BETWEEN THE HOUSE 13:47.091 --> 13:48.035 align:start EXPERIENCE BETWEEN THE HOUSE LAWMAKERS AND THE SENATE. 13:48.038 --> 13:49.834 align:start LAWMAKERS AND THE SENATE. IT'S CLOSE TO THE 700 IF YOU ADD 13:49.835 --> 13:51.097 align:start IT'S CLOSE TO THE 700 IF YOU ADD THE HOUSE EXPERIENCE THAT SOME 13:51.099 --> 13:52.011 align:start THE HOUSE EXPERIENCE THAT SOME OF THOSE SENATORS HAVE. 13:52.012 --> 13:53.621 align:start OF THOSE SENATORS HAVE. >> AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT MOST 13:53.622 --> 13:55.419 align:start >> AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT MOST OF THOSE ARE PEOPLE ARE WORRIED 13:55.422 --> 13:57.344 align:start OF THOSE ARE PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT GETTING RE-ELECTED? 13:57.345 --> 13:58.576 align:start ABOUT GETTING RE-ELECTED? >> NO, IN FACT, MANY OF THEM 13:58.577 --> 14:00.278 align:start >> NO, IN FACT, MANY OF THEM COME FROM SAFE SEATS. 14:00.281 --> 14:01.447 align:start COME FROM SAFE SEATS. AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE ON PAR 14:01.448 --> 14:04.002 align:start AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE ON PAR WITH 2012. 14:04.005 --> 14:05.043 align:start WITH 2012. WHAT WAS IT? 14:05.046 --> 14:06.148 align:start WHAT WAS IT? 35 THAT YEAR. 14:06.151 --> 14:08.957 align:start 35 THAT YEAR. WE WERE THREE SHORT OF 2012. 14:08.957 --> 14:10.849 align:start WE WERE THREE SHORT OF 2012. THAT WAVE WAS THE SIGNAL THAT A 14:10.852 --> 14:12.870 align:start THAT WAVE WAS THE SIGNAL THAT A LOT OF THESE OLDER PEOPLE ARE 14:12.872 --> 14:13.185 align:start LOT OF THESE OLDER PEOPLE ARE LEAVING. 14:13.186 --> 14:14.669 align:start LEAVING. YOU'RE LOSING PEOPLE, THE BRAIN 14:14.670 --> 14:14.952 align:start YOU'RE LOSING PEOPLE, THE BRAIN DRAIN. 14:14.954 --> 14:17.603 align:start DRAIN. A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE 14:17.605 --> 14:17.950 align:start A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN. 14:17.951 --> 14:20.252 align:start CHAIRMAN. CARL LEVIN OF ARMED SERVICES, 14:20.255 --> 14:21.768 align:start CARL LEVIN OF ARMED SERVICES, JAY ROCKEFELLER, MAX BAUCUS WHO 14:21.770 --> 14:26.090 align:start JAY ROCKEFELLER, MAX BAUCUS WHO IS ON HIS WAY TO BEIJING AND TOM 14:26.093 --> 14:28.111 align:start IS ON HIS WAY TO BEIJING AND TOM HARD KINSON JOHNSON. 14:28.113 --> 14:30.950 align:start HARD KINSON JOHNSON. AND IT CREATES A VERY 14:30.953 --> 14:31.771 align:start AND IT CREATES A VERY INTERESTING DICHOTOMY OF PEOPLE 14:31.773 --> 14:34.674 align:start INTERESTING DICHOTOMY OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SERVING FOR 12 OR 14:34.676 --> 14:37.388 align:start WHO HAVE BEEN SERVING FOR 12 OR 15 YEARS ARE NOW BEING VIEWED AS 14:37.390 --> 14:38.365 align:start 15 YEARS ARE NOW BEING VIEWED AS SENIORS. 14:38.368 --> 14:40.480 align:start SENIORS. >> THERE ARE 45 SENATORS 14:40.483 --> 14:42.342 align:start >> THERE ARE 45 SENATORS CURRENTLY SERVING IN THEIR FIRST 14:42.344 --> 14:42.625 align:start CURRENTLY SERVING IN THEIR FIRST TERM. 14:42.626 --> 14:44.204 align:start TERM. THAT'S UNPRECEDENTED. 14:44.206 --> 14:45.276 align:start THAT'S UNPRECEDENTED. >> YOU'VE ALREADY GOT AN 14:45.277 --> 14:47.044 align:start >> YOU'VE ALREADY GOT AN INSTITUTION THAT'S GOT 12% OF 14:47.045 --> 14:48.968 align:start INSTITUTION THAT'S GOT 12% OF APPROVAL NATIONWIDE. 14:48.969 --> 14:50.042 align:start APPROVAL NATIONWIDE. WHEN DOES IT TURN AROUND? 14:50.044 --> 14:52.755 align:start WHEN DOES IT TURN AROUND? WHEN CAN THE OPTIMISM CLAIM A 14:52.756 --> 14:53.985 align:start WHEN CAN THE OPTIMISM CLAIM A VICTORY AND SAY THAT CONGRESS 14:53.987 --> 14:55.627 align:start VICTORY AND SAY THAT CONGRESS WILL BECOME A BETTER 14:55.629 --> 14:56.510 align:start WILL BECOME A BETTER INSTITUTION? 14:56.511 --> 14:57.866 align:start INSTITUTION? >> YEAH -- THERE IS GENUINE 14:57.869 --> 14:58.908 align:start >> YEAH -- THERE IS GENUINE FRUSTRATION I THINK ESPECIALLY 14:58.911 --> 14:59.697 align:start FRUSTRATION I THINK ESPECIALLY MANY THE SENATE ABOUT THE FACT 14:59.698 --> 15:00.802 align:start MANY THE SENATE ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE SITTING AROUND 15:00.803 --> 15:01.527 align:start THAT THEY'RE SITTING AROUND DOING NOTHING. 15:01.529 --> 15:04.147 align:start DOING NOTHING. WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME MODEST 15:04.149 --> 15:06.196 align:start WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME MODEST ATTEMPTS OF THAT IN THE NEXT FEW 15:06.198 --> 15:06.482 align:start ATTEMPTS OF THAT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. 15:06.484 --> 15:08.911 align:start WEEKS. THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO MOVE 15:08.913 --> 15:10.930 align:start THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO MOVE SOME SMALL BALL THINGS RELATED 15:10.932 --> 15:13.644 align:start SOME SMALL BALL THINGS RELATED TO CHILD CAR, MAYBE SOME 15:13.646 --> 15:14.686 align:start TO CHILD CAR, MAYBE SOME PROPOSALS ON SENTENCE REFORM. 15:14.688 --> 15:16.389 align:start PROPOSALS ON SENTENCE REFORM. MODEST ATTEMPTS TO GET -- 15:16.391 --> 15:18.408 align:start MODEST ATTEMPTS TO GET -- >> IF YOU BELIEVE IN TERM LIMITS 15:18.410 --> 15:20.301 align:start >> IF YOU BELIEVE IN TERM LIMITS OR YOU BELIEVE IN FRESH BLOOD 15:20.304 --> 15:22.227 align:start OR YOU BELIEVE IN FRESH BLOOD AND YOU BELIEVE IN BRINGING IN 15:22.229 --> 15:23.237 align:start AND YOU BELIEVE IN BRINGING IN -- BREAKING OUT OF THE 15:23.238 --> 15:24.373 align:start -- BREAKING OUT OF THE STRUCTURES OF WASHINGTON, ISN'T 15:24.375 --> 15:25.824 align:start STRUCTURES OF WASHINGTON, ISN'T THIS A GOOD THING? 15:25.826 --> 15:28.885 align:start THIS A GOOD THING? >> YES, IN FACT, IF YOU TALK TO 15:28.886 --> 15:31.693 align:start >> YES, IN FACT, IF YOU TALK TO OTHER DEMOCRATS, THEY SAY IF 15:31.695 --> 15:32.450 align:start OTHER DEMOCRATS, THEY SAY IF FILIBUSTER TOTALLY DOESN'T MAKE 15:32.453 --> 15:33.619 align:start FILIBUSTER TOTALLY DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 15:33.621 --> 15:35.606 align:start ANY SENSE. IN A MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY 15:35.609 --> 15:38.194 align:start IN A MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY WANTS IT DONE AND A MINORITY OF 15:38.195 --> 15:42.043 align:start WANTS IT DONE AND A MINORITY OF THE SENAT CAN HOLD IT UP, IT 15:42.046 --> 15:43.022 align:start THE SENAT CAN HOLD IT UP, IT SHOULD BE PUSHED AWAY. 15:43.024 --> 15:45.767 align:start SHOULD BE PUSHED AWAY. THE OLD BULLS ARE SAYING, WAIT A 15:45.769 --> 15:48.671 align:start THE OLD BULLS ARE SAYING, WAIT A SECOND THAT VIOLATES HUNDREDS OF 15:48.672 --> 15:50.533 align:start SECOND THAT VIOLATES HUNDREDS OF CONGRESSIONAL HISTORY. 15:50.535 --> 15:51.699 align:start CONGRESSIONAL HISTORY. GWEN: WHAT WOULD JOHN DINGELL 15:51.701 --> 15:54.539 align:start GWEN: WHAT WOULD JOHN DINGELL SAY WERE HIS CHIEF 15:54.542 --> 15:54.981 align:start SAY WERE HIS CHIEF ACCOMPLISHMENTS? 15:54.982 --> 15:55.674 align:start ACCOMPLISHMENTS? >> CERTAINLY HIS WORK ON CLEAN 15:55.677 --> 15:57.254 align:start >> CERTAINLY HIS WORK ON CLEAN -- WHAT IS IT? 15:57.255 --> 15:58.231 align:start -- WHAT IS IT? THE CLEAN WATER ACT. 15:58.234 --> 16:00.125 align:start THE CLEAN WATER ACT. WORKING FOR MEDICARE -- THE 16:00.127 --> 16:03.091 align:start WORKING FOR MEDICARE -- THE HEALTH CARE REFORM, THE BIGGEST 16:03.093 --> 16:03.470 align:start HEALTH CARE REFORM, THE BIGGEST ACHIEVEMENT. 16:03.472 --> 16:04.164 align:start ACHIEVEMENT. HIS FATHER FOUGHT FOR THAT. 16:04.165 --> 16:05.867 align:start HIS FATHER FOUGHT FOR THAT. HE SERVED THROUGH ALL THOSE 16:05.870 --> 16:08.581 align:start HE SERVED THROUGH ALL THOSE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS WHO TRIED. 16:08.583 --> 16:09.781 align:start DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS WHO TRIED. THINI K HE WOULD CONSIDER HIS 16:09.782 --> 16:10.444 align:start THINI K HE WOULD CONSIDER HIS BIGGEST -- 16:10.445 --> 16:14.419 align:start BIGGEST -- >> AND NOW HIS WIFE DEBBIE 16:14.421 --> 16:16.187 align:start >> AND NOW HIS WIFE DEBBIE DINGELL IS RUNNING FOR HIS SEAT. 16:16.189 --> 16:18.269 align:start DINGELL IS RUNNING FOR HIS SEAT. >> IF SHE SERVES NINE TERMS THAT 16:18.271 --> 16:21.898 align:start >> IF SHE SERVES NINE TERMS THAT DING LL BE HAVE HOLD THAT SEAT 16:21.900 --> 16:23.002 align:start DING LL BE HAVE HOLD THAT SEAT FOR 100 YEARS. 16:23.004 --> 16:23.855 align:start FOR 100 YEARS. GWEN: WOW. 16:23.856 --> 16:25.685 align:start GWEN: WOW. THE EAST ROOM IN THE WHITE HOUSE 16:25.686 --> 16:32.532 align:start THE EAST ROOM IN THE WHITE HOUSE -- FULL OF FILL LAN THROW 16:32.534 --> 16:32.974 align:start -- FULL OF FILL LAN THROW PHILANTHROPISTS. 16:32.976 --> 16:34.299 align:start PHILANTHROPISTS. IT'S CALLED MY BROTHER'S KEEPER 16:34.301 --> 16:38.054 align:start IT'S CALLED MY BROTHER'S KEEPER AND IT'S HIS BOLDEST EFFORT YET 16:38.056 --> 16:40.010 align:start AND IT'S HIS BOLDEST EFFORT YET TO REACH OUTSIDE PARTISAN LINES 16:40.012 --> 16:40.957 align:start TO REACH OUTSIDE PARTISAN LINES AND THE BAT. 16:40.959 --> 16:42.093 align:start AND THE BAT. TO ADDRESS WHAT HE CONSIDERS TO 16:42.095 --> 16:43.640 align:start TO ADDRESS WHAT HE CONSIDERS TO BE IMPORTANT. 16:43.642 --> 16:47.394 align:start BE IMPORTANT. >> WHILE THERE MIGHT NOT BE MUCH 16:47.396 --> 16:49.445 align:start >> WHILE THERE MIGHT NOT BE MUCH OF AN APPETITE FOR NEW 16:49.447 --> 16:50.519 align:start OF AN APPETITE FOR NEW INITIATIVES, WE ALL KNOW WE 16:50.521 --> 16:51.370 align:start INITIATIVES, WE ALL KNOW WE CAN'T WAIT. 16:51.372 --> 16:53.263 align:start CAN'T WAIT. AND SO THE GOOD NEWS IS, FOLKS 16:53.265 --> 16:56.199 align:start AND SO THE GOOD NEWS IS, FOLKS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHO KNOW 16:56.200 --> 16:57.145 align:start IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHO KNOW HOW IMPORTANT BOOSTING THE 16:57.147 --> 16:58.092 align:start HOW IMPORTANT BOOSTING THE ACHIEVEMENT OF YOUNG MEN OF 16:58.094 --> 16:59.985 align:start ACHIEVEMENT OF YOUNG MEN OF COLOR IS TO THE COUNTRY, THEY 16:59.987 --> 17:00.805 align:start COLOR IS TO THE COUNTRY, THEY ARE READY TO STEP UP. 17:00.807 --> 17:02.762 align:start ARE READY TO STEP UP. >> IS THIS APPROACH REACHING 17:02.764 --> 17:04.655 align:start >> IS THIS APPROACH REACHING OUTSIDE OF CONGRESS, REACHING 17:04.657 --> 17:05.980 align:start OUTSIDE OF CONGRESS, REACHING OUTSIDE OF THE PROBLEMS IN 17:05.982 --> 17:07.558 align:start OUTSIDE OF THE PROBLEMS IN WASHINGTON TO STOP THINGS FROM 17:07.560 --> 17:08.725 align:start WASHINGTON TO STOP THINGS FROM HAPPENING, IS THIS PART OF HIS 17:08.727 --> 17:10.366 align:start HAPPENING, IS THIS PART OF HIS NEW APPROACH TO LIFE? 17:10.368 --> 17:11.282 align:start NEW APPROACH TO LIFE? >> IT IS. 17:11.284 --> 17:13.427 align:start >> IT IS. HE KNOWS HE'S NOW IN HIS FIFTH 17:13.429 --> 17:14.374 align:start HE KNOWS HE'S NOW IN HIS FIFTH YEAR OR SIXTH YEAR. 17:14.376 --> 17:16.109 align:start YEAR OR SIXTH YEAR. HE KNOWS THIS TOWN IS NOT 17:16.111 --> 17:19.107 align:start HE KNOWS THIS TOWN IS NOT WORKING FOR REASONS WE'VE JUST 17:19.109 --> 17:19.454 align:start WORKING FOR REASONS WE'VE JUST DISCUSSED. 17:19.456 --> 17:20.369 align:start DISCUSSED. AND HE DECIDED LATE LAST YEAR 17:20.371 --> 17:21.789 align:start AND HE DECIDED LATE LAST YEAR WITH HIS AGE THAT HE'S GOING TO 17:21.791 --> 17:23.651 align:start WITH HIS AGE THAT HE'S GOING TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE AGENDA WHERE 17:23.653 --> 17:26.523 align:start MOVE FORWARD ON THE AGENDA WHERE HE DOESN'T NEED CONGRESS AND 17:26.524 --> 17:27.690 align:start HE DOESN'T NEED CONGRESS AND DOESN'T NEED NEW MONEY. 17:27.691 --> 17:29.646 align:start DOESN'T NEED NEW MONEY. THEY TALK ABOUT THE PEN AND THE 17:29.648 --> 17:30.625 align:start THEY TALK ABOUT THE PEN AND THE PHONE IS THE WAY THEY'RE GOING 17:30.627 --> 17:32.234 align:start PHONE IS THE WAY THEY'RE GOING TO REACH OUT TO THE COUNTRY. 17:32.236 --> 17:34.316 align:start TO REACH OUT TO THE COUNTRY. THE PRESIDENT HAS AN ENORMOUS 17:34.318 --> 17:35.263 align:start THE PRESIDENT HAS AN ENORMOUS CONVENING ABILITY. 17:35.265 --> 17:36.242 align:start CONVENING ABILITY. YOU SAW THAT HERE. 17:36.243 --> 17:37.977 align:start YOU SAW THAT HERE. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HE 17:37.979 --> 17:39.145 align:start THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HE SAID, I THINK, IN THAT ADDRESS 17:39.147 --> 17:41.101 align:start SAID, I THINK, IN THAT ADDRESS WAS THIS ISSUE OF YOUNG MEN OF 17:41.102 --> 17:43.783 align:start WAS THIS ISSUE OF YOUNG MEN OF COLOR NOT HAVING THE SAME 17:43.785 --> 17:44.825 align:start COLOR NOT HAVING THE SAME OPPORTUNITY THAT OTHER YOUNG 17:44.827 --> 17:47.665 align:start OPPORTUNITY THAT OTHER YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE IS AS IMPORTANT A 17:47.667 --> 17:48.768 align:start PEOPLE HAVE IS AS IMPORTANT A NATIONAL ISSUE WITH ANY ISSUE I 17:48.770 --> 17:49.558 align:start NATIONAL ISSUE WITH ANY ISSUE I DEAL WITH. 17:49.560 --> 17:50.630 align:start DEAL WITH. IT'S A BIG DEAL TO HAVE A 17:50.632 --> 17:51.608 align:start IT'S A BIG DEAL TO HAVE A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 17:51.610 --> 17:51.955 align:start PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SAY THAT. 17:51.957 --> 17:52.776 align:start SAY THAT. AND EVEN IF THE MONEY THAT HE'S 17:52.778 --> 17:55.238 align:start AND EVEN IF THE MONEY THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS ABOUT 17:55.240 --> 17:57.478 align:start TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS ABOUT $200 MILLION OVER THE NEXT TWO 17:57.480 --> 17:59.939 align:start $200 MILLION OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS WILL BE FUNNED BY INDUSTRY 17:59.941 --> 18:01.296 align:start YEARS WILL BE FUNNED BY INDUSTRY AND PHILANTHROPIES. 18:01.298 --> 18:04.988 align:start AND PHILANTHROPIES. MAY HAVE BEEN SPENT ANYWAY. 18:04.990 --> 18:05.966 align:start MAY HAVE BEEN SPENT ANYWAY. IT WAS BEING SPENT TO HELP THIS 18:05.968 --> 18:06.692 align:start IT WAS BEING SPENT TO HELP THIS COMMUNITY. 18:06.694 --> 18:07.859 align:start COMMUNITY. THE FACT THAT HE IS ELEVATING 18:07.861 --> 18:09.942 align:start THE FACT THAT HE IS ELEVATING AND THAT HE AS THE FIRST BLACK 18:09.944 --> 18:11.646 align:start AND THAT HE AS THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT CAN SPEAK TO THESE 18:11.648 --> 18:12.530 align:start PRESIDENT CAN SPEAK TO THESE FAMILIES AND THESE YOUNG MEN 18:12.532 --> 18:13.571 align:start FAMILIES AND THESE YOUNG MEN ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE MEANS THAT 18:13.573 --> 18:16.442 align:start ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE MEANS THAT I THINK HE WILL BE ABLE TO PUSH 18:16.444 --> 18:17.453 align:start I THINK HE WILL BE ABLE TO PUSH THIS SOME AND WE'LL HAVE A 18:17.454 --> 18:18.430 align:start THIS SOME AND WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A LEGACY. 18:18.432 --> 18:19.346 align:start LITTLE BIT OF A LEGACY. >> AND WHAT'S GOING COMB DONE 18:19.348 --> 18:20.229 align:start >> AND WHAT'S GOING COMB DONE WITH THE MONEY? 18:20.231 --> 18:21.176 align:start WITH THE MONEY? IT'S FOR WHAT? 18:21.178 --> 18:22.943 align:start IT'S FOR WHAT? >> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS 18:22.945 --> 18:24.837 align:start >> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT HE I'D TIED AT THIS EVENT. 18:24.838 --> 18:26.950 align:start THAT HE I'D TIED AT THIS EVENT. >> HE'S GOING TO -- AND THESE 18:26.952 --> 18:28.718 align:start >> HE'S GOING TO -- AND THESE ARE ALL THINGS ACTUALLY THAT HAD 18:28.720 --> 18:30.831 align:start ARE ALL THINGS ACTUALLY THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING IN THE 18:30.833 --> 18:31.336 align:start ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING IN THE PHILANTHROPIC WORLD. 18:31.338 --> 18:33.608 align:start PHILANTHROPIC WORLD. THERE'S A BIG EFFORT TO GET 18:33.610 --> 18:34.555 align:start THERE'S A BIG EFFORT TO GET MINORITY FAMILIES TO SPEAK MORE 18:34.557 --> 18:36.385 align:start MINORITY FAMILIES TO SPEAK MORE WITH THEIR CHILDREN. 18:36.387 --> 18:38.279 align:start WITH THEIR CHILDREN. THERE IS REAL RESEARCH THAT 18:38.281 --> 18:40.172 align:start THERE IS REAL RESEARCH THAT SHOWS TODDLER AND MINORITY 18:40.174 --> 18:41.213 align:start SHOWS TODDLER AND MINORITY FAMILIES, JUST DON'T HEAR AS 18:41.215 --> 18:42.160 align:start FAMILIES, JUST DON'T HEAR AS MANY WORDS. 18:42.162 --> 18:44.211 align:start MANY WORDS. THREE MILLION FEWER WORDS THAN 18:44.213 --> 18:45.158 align:start THREE MILLION FEWER WORDS THAN YOUNG WHITE CHILDREN. 18:45.160 --> 18:46.957 align:start YOUNG WHITE CHILDREN. THAT MEANS THEY'RE AT A HUGE 18:46.958 --> 18:47.903 align:start THAT MEANS THEY'RE AT A HUGE DISADVANTAGE WHEN THEY GET TO 18:47.905 --> 18:48.754 align:start DISADVANTAGE WHEN THEY GET TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 18:48.756 --> 18:50.806 align:start ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THERE'S ANOTHER ISSUE OF 18:50.807 --> 18:51.153 align:start THERE'S ANOTHER ISSUE OF LITERACY. 18:51.155 --> 18:52.573 align:start LITERACY. THIS COMMUNITY IS NOT READING AS 18:52.575 --> 18:55.539 align:start THIS COMMUNITY IS NOT READING AS WELL GOING INTO FOURTH GRADE AS 18:55.541 --> 18:57.401 align:start WELL GOING INTO FOURTH GRADE AS YOUNG WHITE PEOPLE ARE READING. 18:57.403 --> 18:58.442 align:start YOUNG WHITE PEOPLE ARE READING. THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUSH 18:58.444 --> 18:59.263 align:start THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUSH THERE. 18:59.265 --> 19:00.493 align:start THERE. THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT THE 19:00.495 --> 19:02.198 align:start THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH 19:02.199 --> 19:03.365 align:start PRESIDENT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION WITH 19:03.366 --> 19:05.290 align:start THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION WITH ZERO TOLERANCE. 19:05.292 --> 19:07.025 align:start ZERO TOLERANCE. THERE WAS A DISCIPLINE EFFORT 19:07.027 --> 19:08.855 align:start THERE WAS A DISCIPLINE EFFORT THAT CAME MUCH THROUGH THE 19:08.857 --> 19:10.023 align:start THAT CAME MUCH THROUGH THE 1990'S AND HAS CONTINUED IN 19:10.025 --> 19:11.726 align:start 1990'S AND HAS CONTINUED IN RECENT YEARS. 19:11.728 --> 19:12.831 align:start RECENT YEARS. RESEARCH SHOWS THAT THIS AFFECTS 19:12.833 --> 19:13.841 align:start RESEARCH SHOWS THAT THIS AFFECTS THE COMMUNITY. 19:13.843 --> 19:14.788 align:start THE COMMUNITY. THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION HAS 19:14.790 --> 19:16.650 align:start THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION HAS BEEN EDGE COURAGING SCHOOLS TO 19:16.652 --> 19:17.628 align:start BEEN EDGE COURAGING SCHOOLS TO REVISIT THOSE POLICY. 19:17.630 --> 19:21.445 align:start REVISIT THOSE POLICY. AND THERE'S A CRIMINAL JUSTICE 19:21.447 --> 19:22.266 align:start AND THERE'S A CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM ELEMENT. 19:22.268 --> 19:23.308 align:start REFORM ELEMENT. THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF THIS 19:23.309 --> 19:25.170 align:start THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF THIS COMMUNITY BEING CHANNELED FROM 19:25.172 --> 19:28.041 align:start COMMUNITY BEING CHANNELED FROM SUSPENSIONS IN SCHOO 19:28.043 --> 19:28.861 align:start SUSPENSIONS IN SCHOO CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IF 19:28.863 --> 19:30.944 align:start CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IF YOU'RE A WHITE SUBURBAN KID AND 19:30.946 --> 19:32.017 align:start YOU'RE A WHITE SUBURBAN KID AND YOU GET QUATH A LITTLE BIT OF 19:32.018 --> 19:34.004 align:start YOU GET QUATH A LITTLE BIT OF POT IN YOUR BACKPACK IN YOUR 19:34.006 --> 19:35.614 align:start POT IN YOUR BACKPACK IN YOUR SCHOOL OR PRIVATE SCHOOL, IT'S 19:35.616 --> 19:39.274 align:start SCHOOL OR PRIVATE SCHOOL, IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT THE COMES WILL BE 19:39.276 --> 19:41.263 align:start NOT CLEAR THAT THE COMES WILL BE CALLED -- 19:41.265 --> 19:43.313 align:start CALLED -- GWEN: HE SAID HE SPOKE FROM 19:43.315 --> 19:43.692 align:start GWEN: HE SAID HE SPOKE FROM EXPERIENCE. 19:43.694 --> 19:45.364 align:start EXPERIENCE. >> HE IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT 19:45.366 --> 19:46.090 align:start >> HE IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT THAT SAID HE GOT HIGH. 19:46.092 --> 19:48.204 align:start THAT SAID HE GOT HIGH. >> A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT HE 19:48.206 --> 19:49.908 align:start >> A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT HE WOULD TALK MORE ABOUT THIS. 19:49.910 --> 19:51.802 align:start WOULD TALK MORE ABOUT THIS. SOME SURMISED THAT HE WASN'T 19:51.803 --> 19:53.726 align:start SOME SURMISED THAT HE WASN'T GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT UNTIL HE 19:53.728 --> 19:55.557 align:start GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT UNTIL HE GOT RE-ELECTED BECAUSE OF THE 19:55.559 --> 19:56.440 align:start GOT RE-ELECTED BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY. 19:56.442 --> 19:57.671 align:start HISTORY. WHAT TOOK SO LONG? 19:57.673 --> 19:59.438 align:start WHAT TOOK SO LONG? AND IS THERE A SENSE THAT HE'S 19:59.440 --> 20:00.448 align:start AND IS THERE A SENSE THAT HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN HE 20:00.450 --> 20:01.268 align:start GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN HE LEAVES OFFICE? 20:01.270 --> 20:02.467 align:start LEAVES OFFICE? >> THAT POINT IS GOING TO BE 20:02.469 --> 20:02.751 align:start >> THAT POINT IS GOING TO BE RIGHT. 20:02.753 --> 20:04.171 align:start RIGHT. THIS IS ONE OF THE ISSUES HE 20:04.173 --> 20:05.371 align:start THIS IS ONE OF THE ISSUES HE TAKES WITH HIM WHEN HE LEAVES 20:05.372 --> 20:07.926 align:start TAKES WITH HIM WHEN HE LEAVES OFFICE IN 2007 HE GAVE A SPEECH. 20:07.928 --> 20:10.766 align:start OFFICE IN 2007 HE GAVE A SPEECH. HE SAID IF YOU ELECT ME,LY BRING 20:10.768 --> 20:12.628 align:start HE SAID IF YOU ELECT ME,LY BRING A NEW DAWN OF JUSTICE. 20:12.630 --> 20:17.614 align:start A NEW DAWN OF JUSTICE. HE WILL TAKE ON OTHER ISSUES AND 20:17.616 --> 20:19.381 align:start HE WILL TAKE ON OTHER ISSUES AND WE'VE GOT THE HEALTH CARE FIGHT, 20:19.383 --> 20:20.517 align:start WE'VE GOT THE HEALTH CARE FIGHT, THE DEFICIT BATTLE. 20:20.519 --> 20:23.419 align:start THE DEFICIT BATTLE. HE HAD A VERY DIFFICULT 20:23.421 --> 20:23.799 align:start HE HAD A VERY DIFFICULT RE-ELECTION. 20:23.800 --> 20:26.291 align:start RE-ELECTION. JUST A MONTH BEFORE, HE GAVE AN 20:26.293 --> 20:28.216 align:start JUST A MONTH BEFORE, HE GAVE AN INTERVIEW WITH BLACK ENTERPRISE 20:28.218 --> 20:30.109 align:start INTERVIEW WITH BLACK ENTERPRISE MAGAZINE HE SAID, I'M NOT THE 20:30.111 --> 20:30.961 align:start MAGAZINE HE SAID, I'M NOT THE PRESIDENT OF BLACK AMERICA. 20:30.963 --> 20:33.990 align:start PRESIDENT OF BLACK AMERICA. HE DIDN'T WANT THAT IDEA THAT HE 20:33.992 --> 20:36.073 align:start HE DIDN'T WANT THAT IDEA THAT HE WAS FAVORING ONE PARTICULAR 20:36.075 --> 20:36.452 align:start WAS FAVORING ONE PARTICULAR GROUP. 20:36.454 --> 20:38.566 align:start GROUP. I DID AN INTERVIEW BEFORE THAT 20:38.568 --> 20:38.913 align:start I DID AN INTERVIEW BEFORE THAT ELECTION. 20:38.915 --> 20:40.459 align:start ELECTION. AND I FOUND OUT THAT WHEN HE 20:40.461 --> 20:42.227 align:start AND I FOUND OUT THAT WHEN HE CAME DOWN WITH HIS SENIOR AIDS 20:42.228 --> 20:44.151 align:start CAME DOWN WITH HIS SENIOR AIDS JUST WEEK BFERS HE GOT 20:44.153 --> 20:47.054 align:start JUST WEEK BFERS HE GOT RE-ELECTED, HE HAD A YELLOW NOTE 20:47.056 --> 20:47.307 align:start RE-ELECTED, HE HAD A YELLOW NOTE PAD. 20:47.309 --> 20:48.884 align:start PAD. EVEN IF THIS WASN'T AN ISSUE, HE 20:48.886 --> 20:50.178 align:start EVEN IF THIS WASN'T AN ISSUE, HE PUT CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM ON 20:50.180 --> 20:53.650 align:start PUT CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM ON THERE AND HE STARTED PUSHING -- 20:53.652 --> 20:54.659 align:start THERE AND HE STARTED PUSHING -- GWEN: WE'VE GOT TO GO. 20:54.661 --> 20:59.835 align:start GWEN: WE'VE GOT TO GO. 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AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL FIND MY 21:20.410 --> 21:23.216 align:start AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL FIND MY TAKE AND WHY 1997 WAS SUCH A BIG 21:23.218 --> 21:24.573 align:start TAKE AND WHY 1997 WAS SUCH A BIG YEAR FOR "WASHINGTON WEEK." 21:24.575 --> 21:24.668 align:start YEAR FOR "WASHINGTON WEEK." 21:24.670 --> 21:28.991 align:start WE'RE ACCEPTING BIRTHDAY WISHES. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. 21:28.993 --> 21:38.457 align:start WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. GOOD NIGHT.