WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:04.030 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: Terrorists strike in Turkey, the Supreme Court issues a big ruling on 00:04.030 --> 00:09.270 align:start abortion, and political fireworks before the holiday weekend all making for a busy week. 00:09.270 --> 00:13.040 align:start I'm Pete Williams, in for Gwen Ifill, tonight on Washington Week. 00:13.040 --> 00:18.280 align:start DONALD TRUMP: (From video.) She hasn't done anything about what's going on, all right? 00:18.280 --> 00:24.490 align:start (Jeers.) ISIS was formed during her tenure. ISIS is now worse than ever. 00:24.490 --> 00:27.840 align:start FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY CLINTON: (From video.) Every day Donald Trump proves 00:27.840 --> 00:31.080 align:start he's not in this for the American people; he's in it for himself. 00:31.080 --> 00:34.630 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: Acrimony between the candidates this week, and hot-button issues flare up 00:34.630 --> 00:41.040 align:start over waterboarding, Benghazi, Trump anxiety and Clinton's emails. Terror in Turkey. As 00:41.040 --> 00:45.450 align:start authorities investigate who was behind the airport attack, lingering concerns back home. 00:45.450 --> 00:48.970 align:start DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE JOHN BRENNAN: (From video.) It would be surprising to 00:48.970 --> 00:54.520 align:start me that ISIL is not trying to hit us, both in the region as well as in our homeland. 00:54.520 --> 00:58.420 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: And as the Supreme Court wraps up with a key ruling on abortion rights - 00:58.420 --> 01:01.510 align:start AMY HAGSTROM MILLER: (From video.) You don't mess with Texas women. 01:01.510 --> 01:04.390 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: - the term ends with eight sitting justices. 01:04.390 --> 01:07.580 align:start The effect on this past session and going forward. 01:07.580 --> 01:11.440 align:start Covering the week: Michael Scherer, Washington bureau chief for TIME Magazine; Robert 01:11.440 --> 01:16.400 align:start Costa, national political reporter for The Washington Post; Yochi Dreazen, managing 01:16.400 --> 01:21.500 align:start editor of Foreign Policy; and Joan Biskupic, legal affairs editor for Reuters. 01:21.500 --> 01:28.010 align:start ANNOUNCER: Award-winning reporting and analysis. Covering history as it happens. 01:28.010 --> 01:36.620 align:start From our nation's capital, this is Washington Week with Gwen Ifill. Once again, 01:36.620 --> 01:43.070 align:start from Washington, sitting in for Gwen Ifill this week, Pete Williams of NBC News. 01:43.070 --> 01:47.560 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: Good evening. As Cleveland prepares to host the Republican convention, 01:47.560 --> 01:51.810 align:start the city has been forced by a court decision to redraw the boundaries for the protest 01:51.810 --> 01:55.910 align:start zone, but inside the convention hall there may be protests of a different kind. 01:55.910 --> 01:59.680 align:start With just over two weeks to go, it's far from settled that the convention will be the 01:59.680 --> 02:04.310 align:start kind of coronation the Trump campaign is hoping for. And Donald Trump may announce his 02:04.310 --> 02:08.750 align:start choice for vice president even before the opening gavel, hoping to add some momentum. 02:08.750 --> 02:12.460 align:start So, Robert, late-breaking news? Who are the contenders? 02:12.460 --> 02:16.660 align:start ROBERT COSTA: For vice president, Trump is looking at Newt Gingrich, the former House 02:16.660 --> 02:20.970 align:start speaker. He is being fully vetted by the campaign's attorney, A.B. Culvahouse. 02:20.970 --> 02:23.900 align:start You also have New Jersey Governor Chris Christie. 02:23.900 --> 02:27.640 align:start And then there's a wider list of people on Trump's radar, people like Senator Jeff 02:27.640 --> 02:31.720 align:start Sessions of Alabama, a top surrogate, a populist conservative. 02:31.720 --> 02:35.580 align:start And Paul Manafort, the campaign's chairman, he really wants to see perhaps a senator, 02:35.580 --> 02:39.290 align:start someone with Washington experience, come on - Bob Corker is a favorite of his. 02:39.290 --> 02:42.090 align:start So is Richard Burr of North Carolina. 02:42.090 --> 02:46.920 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: Michael, what does Trump want, and what does Trump need in a running mate? 02:46.920 --> 02:49.730 align:start MICHAEL SCHERER: Well, what he's said is he wants somebody with Washington experience. 02:49.730 --> 02:53.560 align:start He doesn't have a lot. He wants someone with connections to show him around town - I 02:53.560 --> 02:57.100 align:start think New Gingrich, someone who has known the city for years and has a lot of 02:57.100 --> 03:00.580 align:start success, although he's been out of official office for a long time. 03:00.580 --> 03:05.110 align:start I think he also - he needs somebody who knows policy and government. 03:05.110 --> 03:09.420 align:start You know, he's - he, by his own admission, is an instinct guy. He goes with his gut. 03:09.420 --> 03:13.410 align:start But he doesn't know a lot about the details of legislation, and he needs somebody nearby 03:13.410 --> 03:16.280 align:start him to help guide him through this. 03:16.280 --> 03:21.330 align:start I think what's interesting about Bob's list is you have in Christie and Gingrich two 03:21.330 --> 03:25.900 align:start very different people, one who - Christie's become actually very close to Trump over the 03:25.900 --> 03:31.060 align:start last few months, become a real adviser, talking on the phone very regularly. 03:31.060 --> 03:34.470 align:start Newt, on the other hand - I think they admire each other from afar - Newt says very 03:34.470 --> 03:37.570 align:start positive things - but they're not personally close. 03:37.570 --> 03:41.050 align:start And I think one of the things Trump's going to have to decide is whether he wants, you 03:41.050 --> 03:45.790 align:start know, a Cheney-like vice president who's really involved in the day-to-day, or Joe 03:45.790 --> 03:49.900 align:start Biden-like, or whether he wants a(n) Al Gore-like vice president, who kind of goes off 03:49.900 --> 03:52.990 align:start and does his own thing while Trump does it himself. 03:52.990 --> 03:56.060 align:start ROBERT COSTA: You're spot-on about Trump not being that personally close to Gingrich. 03:56.060 --> 03:58.990 align:start But you know how Trump digests so much information. 03:58.990 --> 04:03.070 align:start He's on his airplane, his Boeing 757, and after events he sits back and he watches Fox 04:03.070 --> 04:07.440 align:start News on his big screen, and he sees Newt Gingrich and other conservative politicians on 04:07.440 --> 04:11.070 align:start there, and that's how he's - he's seen Gingrich as a real surrogate. 04:11.070 --> 04:16.050 align:start Real quick, on the VP list, two other names to think about: You have Mike Pence, the 04:16.050 --> 04:20.390 align:start Indiana governor, and even Senator Ted Cruz, not that he's on the short list, but Pence 04:20.390 --> 04:24.120 align:start and Cruz both reflect some of the Trump high command. 04:24.120 --> 04:27.360 align:start They believe Trump has a vulnerability with conservatives. 04:27.360 --> 04:30.800 align:start He needs to do something to shore up these never-Trumpers, these people who may come to 04:30.800 --> 04:34.430 align:start the convention in Cleveland and try to have a protest, and if they could bring out a 04:34.430 --> 04:37.730 align:start Pence, who used to be in the House, as a conservative leader there, now the Indiana 04:37.730 --> 04:40.610 align:start governor, maybe they think they could bring some of them along. 04:40.610 --> 04:43.280 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: You had a piece this week about the chaos heading in the convention. 04:43.280 --> 04:46.080 align:start Tell us a little about that. Is it gelling? 04:46.080 --> 04:48.890 align:start ROBERT COSTA: There's - there is going to be a protest at the convention among 04:48.890 --> 04:51.420 align:start conservatives, but this is not going to be a contested convention in the way you usually 04:51.420 --> 04:54.160 align:start think of another candidate, a horse coming along. 04:54.160 --> 04:58.360 align:start What we're going to see is, on the Rules Committee, a push to maybe change the rules, to 04:58.360 --> 05:02.120 align:start try to stop Trump from getting the nomination, but the party leadership, Reince Priebus 05:02.120 --> 05:05.570 align:start at the RNC and others, are trying to stop that. Trump campaign's also getting ready. 05:05.570 --> 05:08.560 align:start They have Bill Palatucci, who worked with Governor Chris Christie. 05:08.560 --> 05:12.030 align:start He's working on the Rules Committee to try to stop any kind of movement. 05:12.030 --> 05:15.940 align:start But so many conservatives feel morally obligated to take a stand against Trump. 05:15.940 --> 05:18.380 align:start That's why it's going to be wild. 05:18.380 --> 05:21.750 align:start And the thing about Cleveland is, it's pretty unconventional for a convention, with - 05:21.750 --> 05:25.750 align:start (laughter) - the Trump program's still being thought through - celebrities, sports stars. 05:25.750 --> 05:28.880 align:start It's going to be different than anything we've ever seen. 05:28.880 --> 05:32.060 align:start JOAN BISKUPIC: Well, I was going to ask you about the timing of the announcement of his 05:32.060 --> 05:37.490 align:start vice presidential choice. Is that a way to motivate some of the party elders to 05:37.490 --> 05:42.570 align:start actually show up, not just give some stability to the ticket but to probably get out 05:42.570 --> 05:47.100 align:start ahead of what could be even more chaotic than you understand it to be now? 05:47.100 --> 05:50.550 align:start ROBERT COSTA: A couple months ago, when I spoke to Trump's top advisers and Trump 05:50.550 --> 05:54.320 align:start himself, there was a sense that Trump was going to reveal his vice presidential pick at 05:54.320 --> 05:58.290 align:start the convention or a couple days before, to have the political theater of it all. 05:58.290 --> 06:02.490 align:start But now, a few weeks before the convention, and there's a lot of party unease, there's a 06:02.490 --> 06:07.160 align:start thought: Maybe do it next week, maybe have it 10 days from now, so the party - the 06:07.160 --> 06:11.530 align:start thought is, get the party behind the ticket before Cleveland, well ahead of Cleveland. 06:11.530 --> 06:14.430 align:start YOCHI DREAZEN: It seems like that most cycles you have people either leak their 06:14.430 --> 06:17.430 align:start own names as being on the short list or have their friends do it - (laughter) - so that 06:17.430 --> 06:20.940 align:start you have this wide array. This time, with Trump being as toxic as he is, do you see 06:20.940 --> 06:24.080 align:start people sort of doing the reverse, trying to tamp down - (laughter) - we are not on the 06:24.080 --> 06:26.840 align:start short list; we do not want this job? 06:26.840 --> 06:30.240 align:start MICHAEL SCHERER: Well, it's not only on the short list they've said that but just attending 06:30.240 --> 06:33.050 align:start the convention - I think one of the defining features of this convention is that it won't 06:33.050 --> 06:36.750 align:start really be Republican in the classic sense. You know, the former president, George W. 06:36.750 --> 06:40.630 align:start Bush, won't be there. The former nominees, Mitt Romney and John McCain, won't be there. 06:40.630 --> 06:45.810 align:start A bunch of swing state - or swing senators who are up for re-election, from - including 06:45.810 --> 06:50.560 align:start John McCain, Kelly Ayotte, will not be there. You know, the governor of Ohio is going, 06:50.560 --> 06:55.140 align:start but almost like he's being dragged against his will, because it's in his home state. 06:55.140 --> 06:57.080 align:start JOAN BISKUPIC: Right. 06:57.080 --> 07:00.620 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: Well, Trump himself, during the campaign, angered a lot of those 07:00.620 --> 07:04.350 align:start potential Republicans when he made some comments that angered people who are in the 07:04.350 --> 07:08.520 align:start Republican establishment about international trade agreements. He attacked them and 07:08.520 --> 07:12.530 align:start he said - they of course are widely supported by the business community. 07:12.530 --> 07:16.770 align:start DONALD TRUMP: (From video.) Our politicians have aggressively pursued a policy of 07:16.770 --> 07:23.400 align:start globalization, moving our jobs, our wealth and our factories to Mexico and overseas. 07:23.400 --> 07:30.510 align:start Globalization has made the financial elite who donate to politicians very, very wealthy. 07:30.510 --> 07:34.980 align:start I used to be one of them. (Applause.) 07:34.980 --> 07:38.780 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: Is this - is this hitting the Republicans where they live? 07:38.780 --> 07:41.720 align:start MICHAEL SCHERER: Yes, and I think that - that speech was the most remarkable political 07:41.720 --> 07:46.600 align:start event of the week. To have the Republican nominee come out and so forwardly rebut decades 07:46.600 --> 07:50.170 align:start of Republican tradition - actually, bipartisan tradition - embracing these free trade 07:50.170 --> 07:55.430 align:start agreements - he was calling there for renegotiating NAFTA, ending TPP - even if there 07:55.430 --> 07:59.700 align:start was a vote on TPP, he said he would pull out of it - starting a trade war with China 07:59.700 --> 08:03.740 align:start on a number of different fronts, and then he was calling for higher taxes. 08:03.740 --> 08:08.080 align:start I mean, I can't remember a time when a Republican candidate was calling for higher taxes, 08:08.080 --> 08:12.310 align:start this time in the form of tariffs. But really what he is calling for, if it came to 08:12.310 --> 08:17.450 align:start pass, would be a whole dramatic reorientation of the way the globe - global economy 08:17.450 --> 08:23.060 align:start works. To have the U.S. pull back so dramatically and to make this a nationalist 08:23.060 --> 08:26.570 align:start project would be - would be really quite dramatic. 08:26.570 --> 08:29.930 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: Well, Hillary Clinton's campaign, of course, got a big boost this week 08:29.930 --> 08:34.000 align:start from a fellow Democrat, one not too long ago who had been holding back on an endorsement. 08:34.000 --> 08:38.150 align:start Now Senator Elizabeth Warren has become the Trump attacker in chief. 08:38.150 --> 08:42.950 align:start SENATOR ELIZABETH WARREN (D-MA): (From video.) You want to see goofy? Look at him in 08:42.950 --> 08:53.090 align:start that hat. (Laughter.) But when Donald Trump says "great," I ask, great for who, exactly? 08:53.090 --> 08:58.430 align:start (Applause.) Great for the guys who don't care how much they've already squeezed from 08:58.430 --> 09:03.570 align:start everyone else, great for the guys who always want more. 09:03.570 --> 09:08.370 align:start HILLARY CLINTON: (From video.) I do just love to see how she gets under Donald Trump's 09:08.370 --> 09:15.120 align:start thin skin. (Cheers, applause.) She exposes him for what he is: temperamentally unfit 09:15.120 --> 09:20.020 align:start and totally unqualified to be president of the United States. (Cheers, applause.) 09:20.020 --> 09:23.380 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: So, Robert, how big a deal is this? 09:23.380 --> 09:26.960 align:start ROBERT COSTA: This was a significant moment for Secretary Clinton, because you still 09:26.960 --> 09:30.360 align:start have Senator Sanders in the presidential race, and there are some progressives who are 09:30.360 --> 09:34.570 align:start reluctant to sign on full-throated - in a full-throated way for Secretary Clinton. 09:34.570 --> 09:39.470 align:start And you have another hero, Senator Warren, there, throwing her political weight behind 09:39.470 --> 09:43.010 align:start the secretary. I think as she turns toward the convention in Philadelphia, this is the 09:43.010 --> 09:48.150 align:start kind of person she wants at her side, perhaps as an ally and maybe as a vice presidential pick. 09:48.150 --> 09:51.660 align:start YOCHI DREAZEN: I mean, it seems with Senator Warren that she really does know just how 09:51.660 --> 09:53.560 align:start to get Trump. 09:53.560 --> 09:57.090 align:start She calls him "insecure" and "small" and "petty" and a "bully." I mean, do you think that 09:57.090 --> 10:00.590 align:start she will cause him say something that even by his standards goes too far? (Laughter.) 10:00.590 --> 10:04.190 align:start ROBERT COSTA: I mean, she has provoked him already on social media. 10:04.190 --> 10:08.770 align:start He has gotten in some political hot water for referring to her as someone who's of Native 10:08.770 --> 10:16.170 align:start American descent. And we see with Trump he loves the fight, and sometimes he is easily provoked. 10:16.170 --> 10:20.590 align:start JOAN BISKUPIC: Can I ask about a kind of a late-in-the-week piece of Clinton news? 10:20.590 --> 10:25.710 align:start And that was related to the emails. Attorney General Loretta Lynch had a very casual 10:25.710 --> 10:31.290 align:start meeting in Phoenix on the tarmac with Bill Clinton, and right afterward, after certain 10:31.290 --> 10:36.890 align:start furor from Democrats and Republicans, said that whatever comes out of the FBI in terms 10:36.890 --> 10:41.410 align:start of the investigation of the emails, that she will defer to - you've got - 10:41.410 --> 10:44.600 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: Or at least whatever comes out of career prosecutors at the Justice 10:44.600 --> 10:47.310 align:start Department. JOAN BISKUPIC: Right, she'll - that she will defer - 10:47.310 --> 10:51.740 align:start MICHAEL SCHERER: I think it was a remarkable moment, in that the Clinton campaign has been 10:51.740 --> 10:56.910 align:start incredibly successful this cycle in keeping Bill Clinton on message, not - as an asset, 10:56.910 --> 11:00.810 align:start not as someone who's harming them. It was very different in 2008, if you remember then. 11:00.810 --> 11:05.880 align:start This was just an obvious mistake on his part. And there's a blind spot here, I think, 11:05.880 --> 11:11.400 align:start for both Clintons in that they often don't - they underestimate the damage that 11:11.400 --> 11:15.170 align:start can be done by creating the appearance of impropriety, even when there is none. 11:15.170 --> 11:18.740 align:start And there's no indication that there was any lobbying on the plane, but to have - 11:18.740 --> 11:21.140 align:start JOAN BISKUPIC: Yeah, they were talking about grandchildren, supposedly - 11:21.140 --> 11:22.710 align:start MICHAEL SCHERER: - yeah - ROBERT COSTA: And golf. 11:22.710 --> 11:24.340 align:start JOAN BISKUPIC: Yeah. (Chuckles.) 11:24.340 --> 11:27.150 align:start MICHAEL SCHERER: - and golf. So - but at the same time it clearly looks inappropriate. 11:27.150 --> 11:30.650 align:start It's just not something that should be happening, and arguably not only does it 11:30.650 --> 11:34.790 align:start bring up the email issue again, it drives the news cycle for a couple days, but arguably 11:34.790 --> 11:40.660 align:start it has restricted the attorney general from what she might be able to do or chooses to do. 11:40.660 --> 11:43.660 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: Robert, let me just - let me just ask you one thing about Bernie Sanders, 11:43.660 --> 11:45.920 align:start speaking of Bernie Sanders. ROBERT COSTA: Right. 11:45.920 --> 11:49.260 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: Vice President Biden seemed to say this week that he's going to endorse - 11:49.260 --> 11:52.410 align:start that Sanders is going to endorse Clinton, and then what happened? 11:52.410 --> 11:56.200 align:start ROBERT COSTA: When I talk to Sanders' confidants and his advisers, they say he's going 11:56.200 --> 11:58.280 align:start to wait until Philadelphia. 11:58.280 --> 12:03.940 align:start He wants to ensure that the Democratic platform has progressive ideals; that it - on - 12:03.940 --> 12:08.620 align:start especially in economic and trade policy; that it goes - tilts toward his own campaign's 12:08.620 --> 12:13.090 align:start platform; and that he's in no rush to do it, that he's willing in Philadelphia to do it; 12:13.090 --> 12:17.300 align:start and that Tad Devine, a Sanders adviser, is in constant touch with the Clinton people. 12:17.300 --> 12:22.300 align:start But Sanders is in his mid-70s, this has been the pinnacle of his career, and he's not 12:22.300 --> 12:25.640 align:start ready to just walk away before every box is checked. 12:25.640 --> 12:28.280 align:start MICHAEL SCHERER: It's really interesting to see how much progress he's already made in 12:28.280 --> 12:32.010 align:start the platform fight. You have in there now - you know, it - the Democratic Party will 12:32.010 --> 12:34.580 align:start recognize states who want to legalize marijuana. 12:34.580 --> 12:38.220 align:start There's a push now to officially make $15 as the minimum wage standard. 12:38.220 --> 12:41.480 align:start He's still pushing for a ban on fracking and stronger language on TPP. 12:41.480 --> 12:45.420 align:start But this platform will have his mark on it. It's clear at this point. 12:45.420 --> 12:48.190 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: All right. Thank you both very much. 12:48.190 --> 12:51.700 align:start All signs are pointing to ISIS as the terror group behind the deadly bomb attack this 12:51.700 --> 12:56.100 align:start week on the airport in Istanbul, Turkey, that killed 44 people and injured scores of 12:56.100 --> 13:00.610 align:start others. It was a reminder that the military pressure has not stopped the group's 13:00.610 --> 13:04.180 align:start ability to inspire and direct terror attacks. 13:04.180 --> 13:07.840 align:start CIA DIRECTOR JOHN BRENNAN: (From video.) We've made, I think, some significant progress, 13:07.840 --> 13:13.960 align:start along with our coalition partners, in Syria and Iraq, where most of the ISIS members are 13:13.960 --> 13:21.130 align:start resident right now. But the - ISIS's ability to continue to propagate its narrative, 13:21.130 --> 13:26.140 align:start as well as to incite and carry out these attacks - I think we still have a ways to 13:26.140 --> 13:31.330 align:start go before we're able to say that we have made some significant progress against them. 13:31.330 --> 13:35.400 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: So, Yochi, what's the best way to understand why Turkey was the target? 13:35.400 --> 13:38.940 align:start YOCHI DREAZEN: Turkey is a central part of the U.S. coalition that's trying to fight 13:38.940 --> 13:42.400 align:start ISIS. Their - Turkish airbases are allowing U.S. planes to fly. 13:42.400 --> 13:45.360 align:start Turkish planes are flying into Syria and carrying out bombing campaigns. 13:45.360 --> 13:48.560 align:start So for ISIS, if they're trying to hit a powerful country, Turkey is the one that they 13:48.560 --> 13:51.590 align:start could and should hit. They've talked about hitting it. 13:51.590 --> 13:54.930 align:start There's personal language, interestingly, between President Erdogan of Turkey, who sort 13:54.930 --> 13:59.200 align:start of pounds his chest and says, I'm coming after you, ISIS. And they say the same to him. 13:59.200 --> 14:02.520 align:start There's been something brewing between them and Turkey for quite some time, and it comes 14:02.520 --> 14:06.430 align:start when Turkey's been hit for weeks now by bombings in Ankara, other bombings in Istanbul, 14:06.430 --> 14:09.440 align:start so this is not the first and won't be the last. 14:09.440 --> 14:12.600 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: And is there something different about this campaign in terms of the 14:12.600 --> 14:15.950 align:start people who carried it out - where they came from, who was behind it? 14:15.950 --> 14:19.220 align:start YOCHI DREAZEN: It's very striking. Typically, the attacks ISIS has carried out have 14:19.220 --> 14:23.680 align:start been either Arabs or, in some cases, others who might have been part of the caliphate, 14:23.680 --> 14:27.230 align:start their caliphate in Iraq and Syria. Here was very different. Here as a Russian, an 14:27.230 --> 14:31.360 align:start Uzbek, someone from Kyrgyzstan. These communities already exist in Turkey. 14:31.360 --> 14:34.770 align:start They're not communities that the Turkish security forces had paid much attention to. 14:34.770 --> 14:38.100 align:start They're not Kurdish. They're not Arab. They're not the people Turkey has seen as 14:38.100 --> 14:41.610 align:start possible enemies. And if these communities are now radicalized, or if somebody 14:41.610 --> 14:45.310 align:start comes and disappears in those communities, it's a threat Turkey's not prepared for. 14:45.310 --> 14:48.200 align:start JOAN BISKUPIC: Let me ask you about the target itself. 14:48.200 --> 14:51.720 align:start This was not a cafe in Paris. This was a heavily secured airport. 14:51.720 --> 14:56.390 align:start It seems rather audacious. How do you understand why this airport? 14:56.390 --> 14:59.760 align:start YOCHI DREAZEN: So the Ataturk Airport is one that I've personally been through about a 14:59.760 --> 15:03.030 align:start dozen times, and the only airport I've been to in the world as secure is Ben-Gurion 15:03.030 --> 15:06.600 align:start Airport in Israel. There are heavily armed Turkish security throughout the airport. 15:06.600 --> 15:10.030 align:start The fact that they were able to make it in, kill as many people as they did, is really 15:10.030 --> 15:13.500 align:start remarkable. And I think what it shows is, this was a well-planned attack. 15:13.500 --> 15:17.010 align:start This wasn't somebody who walked into a nightclub in Orlando, where there was nobody he 15:17.010 --> 15:20.550 align:start had to worry about, and killed 50 people. These were people who walked into a heavily 15:20.550 --> 15:24.450 align:start secured place, knew where to go, knew how to hit it and did. 15:24.450 --> 15:27.620 align:start MICHAEL SCHERER: These bombings are happening in the U.S. - or these mass attacks 15:27.620 --> 15:33.030 align:start are happening in the U.S. - they're happening overseas with a lot - considerable regularity. 15:33.030 --> 15:38.400 align:start Is there a point at which it just becomes too much and the Western world changes its 15:38.400 --> 15:42.570 align:start policy with regards to what's going on in Syria or its policy in terms of how they're 15:42.570 --> 15:46.730 align:start dealing with security? I mean, where is the breaking point if this continues? 15:46.730 --> 15:49.900 align:start YOCHI DREAZEN: I think it's a great question, and you know, underlying, like, the Brexit 15:49.900 --> 15:53.550 align:start vote and frankly the move towards other similar votes in other countries in Europe is 15:53.550 --> 15:57.470 align:start Muslims equal ISIS equals terror, and we don't want Muslims in, because they will bring 15:57.470 --> 16:00.680 align:start with them ISIS and they will bring with them terrorism. So I think you're already 16:00.680 --> 16:03.720 align:start seeing it, politically and in some of the value systems of the countries. 16:03.720 --> 16:07.190 align:start In a really sad irony, the Pentagon put out a report this week saying that ISIS had lost 16:07.190 --> 16:11.660 align:start 47 percent of its territory in Iraq and Syria. That's now half of what it once had. 16:11.660 --> 16:14.660 align:start And they were saying, hey, this is great news. We've kicked them out of half of what the - 16:14.660 --> 16:18.410 align:start of the caliphate. Well, then turn around and suddenly they've hit the Istanbul airport. 16:18.410 --> 16:21.110 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: Well, you mentioned the security at that airport. 16:21.110 --> 16:24.350 align:start Of course it's very different here. Is this attack going to change the approach 16:24.350 --> 16:27.600 align:start that American airports take in their security? 16:27.600 --> 16:30.210 align:start YOCHI DREAZEN: To be honest, I don't know how it could, really. 16:30.210 --> 16:33.280 align:start I mean, you could have more security guards outside of an airport who are heavily armed, 16:33.280 --> 16:36.530 align:start but that just leaves train stations open, or that just leaves bus stations open. You 16:36.530 --> 16:39.860 align:start know, we are so massive a country, and there are so many airports, we don't have the 16:39.860 --> 16:43.370 align:start personnel really to do it. And the fear in some ways here is less that ISIS will 16:43.370 --> 16:47.100 align:start get someone on a plane from Syria to come to the U.S. The fear is Orlando. The fear 16:47.100 --> 16:50.460 align:start is somebody will pick up a gun, kill 50 people and say, I did this in the name of the 16:50.460 --> 16:54.480 align:start Islamic State, even if they had no connection whatsoever to the Islamic State before. 16:54.480 --> 16:57.940 align:start ROBERT COSTA: What has been the political response across Europe? 16:57.940 --> 17:01.610 align:start There's been a lot of concern over the past few years about Turkey's proximity to Syria 17:01.610 --> 17:05.020 align:start and the way migration works in Turkey and perhaps coming into Europe. 17:05.020 --> 17:08.250 align:start Just how are people responding throughout the continent? 17:08.250 --> 17:11.260 align:start YOCHI DREAZEN: It's interesting. Right before the Brexit vote there were leaflets 17:11.260 --> 17:14.390 align:start in England that showed Turkey and its border with Syria. That's all it showed. 17:14.390 --> 17:16.690 align:start And it was - the message was clear. 17:16.690 --> 17:19.990 align:start The message was, let in - if we stay in the EU, Turkey will join the EU, and then 17:19.990 --> 17:23.290 align:start suddenly you've got this flood of terrifying Syrians coming into European countries. 17:23.290 --> 17:26.710 align:start And so it was a subtext in some places, and then in England, before the Brexit vote, it 17:26.710 --> 17:29.200 align:start was just the text, the literal text. 17:29.200 --> 17:32.940 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: Yochi, very briefly, I think many people were impressed and really quite 17:32.940 --> 17:37.180 align:start surprised at how fast they got the airport going again. What - is that an 17:37.180 --> 17:41.290 align:start intentional message they're sending, or is that just the way those folks are used to it? 17:41.290 --> 17:44.560 align:start YOCHI DREAZEN: In some ways, it's that they needed to. And this airport is the 17:44.560 --> 17:47.530 align:start biggest airport in Turkey. But Turkey is like Israel in that respect. 17:47.530 --> 17:50.470 align:start They've been hit by terror attacks before, for decades. Usually it had been Kurds. 17:50.470 --> 17:53.500 align:start But this is not new to them, and they pride themselves on the fact, as the Israelis do, 17:53.500 --> 17:57.370 align:start that life does not stop. Turkey, when something was hit in the middle of 17:57.370 --> 18:00.310 align:start Istanbul, it was cleaned up and it was open again to tourists the next day. 18:00.310 --> 18:02.760 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: All right. Thank you very much. 18:02.760 --> 18:06.350 align:start Finally, the Supreme Court justices handed down the final decisions of the term this 18:06.350 --> 18:10.050 align:start week, including the most important ruling on abortion in a quarter century. 18:10.050 --> 18:14.290 align:start The Court struck down a Texas law that caused more than half the abortion clinics in that 18:14.290 --> 18:18.290 align:start state to close. So, Joan, does this ruling simple restate the law on abortion, 18:18.290 --> 18:20.720 align:start or does it take it further? 18:20.720 --> 18:24.570 align:start JOAN BISKUPIC: No. What it does - for the first time since 1992, when the Court had 18:24.570 --> 18:28.700 align:start affirmed Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to end a pregnancy, it actually clarifies 18:28.700 --> 18:34.140 align:start what judges below should do, what should state legislatures be able to pass in terms 18:34.140 --> 18:38.220 align:start of restrictions on a woman who wants to end a pregnancy. 18:38.220 --> 18:43.140 align:start And what the justices said, in a pretty strong opinion for a short-handed Court, by 5 to 18:43.140 --> 18:49.060 align:start 3 - that lower court judges should actually do their own search in the evidence, they 18:49.060 --> 18:54.290 align:start should take depositions, they should look at the effects of a restriction on women who 18:54.290 --> 18:58.470 align:start are trying to get an abortion, rather than just go with what the legislature says. 18:58.470 --> 19:02.200 align:start Here Texas had said that it needed to pass two key provisions. 19:02.200 --> 19:07.440 align:start One put - required physicians who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at local 19:07.440 --> 19:13.080 align:start hospitals - a very tough standard for physicians who would only be doing abortions. 19:13.080 --> 19:17.490 align:start So that closed - out of about 40 clinics in Texas when this law was passed, it closed 19:17.490 --> 19:21.680 align:start about half of them. Second standard, which hadn't been put into effect yet, would 19:21.680 --> 19:27.090 align:start have required hospital-grade facilities and staffing at clinics that perform abortions. 19:27.090 --> 19:33.340 align:start And the legislature said, we need to pass this to help maternal health. 19:33.340 --> 19:39.400 align:start Some of you might remember, when it was passed in July of 2013, then-Texas State Senator 19:39.400 --> 19:44.270 align:start Wendy Davis did this all-night filibuster, so it got a lot of attention. 19:44.270 --> 19:49.080 align:start And a lower court then struck down these laws, saying, look, after taking a lot of 19:49.080 --> 19:52.880 align:start testimony, these things aren't necessary for maternal health. 19:52.880 --> 19:57.820 align:start The legislature's putting an undue burden, under the Casey standard from 1992 that Pete 19:57.820 --> 20:01.190 align:start just referred to, and it's unconstitutional. 20:01.190 --> 20:06.660 align:start Fifth Circuit reversed, but in what I think was a rather stunning decision by the Supreme 20:06.660 --> 20:10.460 align:start Court, with Justice Anthony Kennedy on board, said no, this is unconstitutional. 20:10.460 --> 20:14.610 align:start ROBERT COSTA: What have - what have we learned - you called it a short-handed Court. 20:14.610 --> 20:16.280 align:start JOAN BISKUPIC: Yeah. 20:16.280 --> 20:19.480 align:start ROBERT COSTA: What have we learned about the tilt and makeup of this short-handed Court, 20:19.480 --> 20:21.570 align:start especially on these kind of issues? 20:21.570 --> 20:25.060 align:start JOAN BISKUPIC: Well, tilting to the left more than when Antonin Scalia, who died in 20:25.060 --> 20:29.020 align:start February, was there, in - on this abortion ruling and also on an affirmative action 20:29.020 --> 20:32.030 align:start ruling that we had last week, certainly tilting that way. 20:32.030 --> 20:36.160 align:start Anthony Kennedy, who's always been our center conservative justice, has moved over. 20:36.160 --> 20:40.690 align:start Now there have been some cases that went conservative just because they had to - they 20:40.690 --> 20:45.680 align:start broke 4 to 4 - for example, in immigration - and let's - upheld a lower court ruling 20:45.680 --> 20:50.340 align:start against President Barack Obama. But that was more because of where the lower 20:50.340 --> 20:54.050 align:start court was, not where they ended up, as they were divided. 20:54.050 --> 20:57.550 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: And in terms of what we can expect for the next term, obviously it's 20:57.550 --> 21:00.730 align:start going to start out with eight justices; seems unlikely that Merrick Garland, if he gets a 21:00.730 --> 21:03.850 align:start hearing, would be confirmed by the first Monday in October. 21:03.850 --> 21:06.020 align:start So how does it look for next term? 21:06.020 --> 21:09.860 align:start JOAN BISKUPIC: You know, Pete, we might even be into calendar 2017 by the time we have a 21:09.860 --> 21:15.310 align:start ninth justice. And you can tell that the remaining eight are wondering how many 21:15.310 --> 21:18.200 align:start cases to take and how many hot-button cases to take. 21:18.200 --> 21:21.530 align:start They've taken several business disputes that they'll resolve. 21:21.530 --> 21:24.740 align:start You know, they want to take cases where there are conflicts in the circuits. 21:24.740 --> 21:29.720 align:start They want to standardize the law across the nation. But you can already feel in some 21:29.720 --> 21:34.760 align:start areas, especially on social policy, that they might be a little bit gun-shy. 21:34.760 --> 21:42.320 align:start On the last day of their regular business this week they rejected an appeal from a 21:42.320 --> 21:47.570 align:start pharmacist out in Washington state who was challenging a state law that said that his 21:47.570 --> 21:53.180 align:start business had to provide emergency contraception, and he said his religious beliefs, you 21:53.180 --> 21:59.050 align:start know, would be impinged if he did that. That's the kind of case that with Scalia 21:59.050 --> 22:03.150 align:start and - they probably would have taken, because you only need four votes to grant it, 22:03.150 --> 22:06.820 align:start and three of the conservatives dissented and said we should be taking this. 22:06.820 --> 22:09.960 align:start MICHAEL SCHERER: What does this mean for the legacy of John Roberts? 22:09.960 --> 22:15.330 align:start He's still very early in his time as chief justice, but has the loss of Scalia had a real 22:15.330 --> 22:18.260 align:start impact on what he'll be able to do? 22:18.260 --> 22:21.860 align:start JOAN BISKUPIC: Well, during his first 10 years, Michael, John Roberts had five 22:21.860 --> 22:25.460 align:start conservatives. He was - he was sort of at the height of his power during his first 22:25.460 --> 22:30.200 align:start decade because of Scalia's vote. And now here we have a conservative chief justice 22:30.200 --> 22:34.750 align:start leading a Court that seems to be getting liberal by the day, and we haven't had 22:34.750 --> 22:39.190 align:start anything like that in decades, where the chief wasn't in as much control. 22:39.190 --> 22:42.290 align:start PETE WILLIAMS: All right. Joan, thank you. Thank you all. 22:42.290 --> 22:46.820 align:start And before we close tonight, a shout-out and congratulations to one of Washington Week's 22:46.820 --> 22:53.200 align:start own. Greg King is retiring after nearly 44 years here at WETA. Greg has been with WETA 22:53.200 --> 22:58.540 align:start in a variety of technical capacities, working with this broadcast and the PBS NewsHour. 22:58.540 --> 23:02.680 align:start We thank him for his dedication, wish him a well-deserved set of Friday nights to enjoy 23:02.680 --> 23:05.740 align:start in the future. Long live the King! 23:05.740 --> 23:08.920 align:start And to all of you, a very happy and healthy 4th of July weekend. 23:08.920 --> 23:35.220 align:start I'm Pete Williams. Be sure to come back again next week on Washington Week. Good night.