1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,030 PETE WILLIAMS: Terrorists strike in Turkey, the Supreme Court issues a big ruling on 2 00:00:04,030 --> 00:00:09,270 abortion, and political fireworks before the holiday weekend all making for a busy week. 3 00:00:09,270 --> 00:00:13,040 I'm Pete Williams, in for Gwen Ifill, tonight on Washington Week. 4 00:00:13,040 --> 00:00:18,280 DONALD TRUMP: (From video.) She hasn't done anything about what's going on, all right? 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:24,490 (Jeers.) ISIS was formed during her tenure. ISIS is now worse than ever. 6 00:00:24,490 --> 00:00:27,840 FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY CLINTON: (From video.) Every day Donald Trump proves 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,080 he's not in this for the American people; he's in it for himself. 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,630 PETE WILLIAMS: Acrimony between the candidates this week, and hot-button issues flare up 9 00:00:34,630 --> 00:00:41,040 over waterboarding, Benghazi, Trump anxiety and Clinton's emails. Terror in Turkey. As 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,450 authorities investigate who was behind the airport attack, lingering concerns back home. 11 00:00:45,450 --> 00:00:48,970 DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE JOHN BRENNAN: (From video.) It would be surprising to 12 00:00:48,970 --> 00:00:54,520 me that ISIL is not trying to hit us, both in the region as well as in our homeland. 13 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,420 PETE WILLIAMS: And as the Supreme Court wraps up with a key ruling on abortion rights - 14 00:00:58,420 --> 00:01:01,510 AMY HAGSTROM MILLER: (From video.) You don't mess with Texas women. 15 00:01:01,510 --> 00:01:04,390 PETE WILLIAMS: - the term ends with eight sitting justices. 16 00:01:04,390 --> 00:01:07,580 The effect on this past session and going forward. 17 00:01:07,580 --> 00:01:11,440 Covering the week: Michael Scherer, Washington bureau chief for TIME Magazine; Robert 18 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:16,400 Costa, national political reporter for The Washington Post; Yochi Dreazen, managing 19 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:21,500 editor of Foreign Policy; and Joan Biskupic, legal affairs editor for Reuters. 20 00:01:21,500 --> 00:01:28,010 ANNOUNCER: Award-winning reporting and analysis. Covering history as it happens. 21 00:01:28,010 --> 00:01:36,620 From our nation's capital, this is Washington Week with Gwen Ifill. Once again, 22 00:01:36,620 --> 00:01:43,070 from Washington, sitting in for Gwen Ifill this week, Pete Williams of NBC News. 23 00:01:43,070 --> 00:01:47,560 PETE WILLIAMS: Good evening. As Cleveland prepares to host the Republican convention, 24 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,810 the city has been forced by a court decision to redraw the boundaries for the protest 25 00:01:51,810 --> 00:01:55,910 zone, but inside the convention hall there may be protests of a different kind. 26 00:01:55,910 --> 00:01:59,680 With just over two weeks to go, it's far from settled that the convention will be the 27 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,310 kind of coronation the Trump campaign is hoping for. And Donald Trump may announce his 28 00:02:04,310 --> 00:02:08,750 choice for vice president even before the opening gavel, hoping to add some momentum. 29 00:02:08,750 --> 00:02:12,460 So, Robert, late-breaking news? Who are the contenders? 30 00:02:12,460 --> 00:02:16,660 ROBERT COSTA: For vice president, Trump is looking at Newt Gingrich, the former House 31 00:02:16,660 --> 00:02:20,970 speaker. He is being fully vetted by the campaign's attorney, A.B. Culvahouse. 32 00:02:20,970 --> 00:02:23,900 You also have New Jersey Governor Chris Christie. 33 00:02:23,900 --> 00:02:27,640 And then there's a wider list of people on Trump's radar, people like Senator Jeff 34 00:02:27,640 --> 00:02:31,720 Sessions of Alabama, a top surrogate, a populist conservative. 35 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,580 And Paul Manafort, the campaign's chairman, he really wants to see perhaps a senator, 36 00:02:35,580 --> 00:02:39,290 someone with Washington experience, come on - Bob Corker is a favorite of his. 37 00:02:39,290 --> 00:02:42,090 So is Richard Burr of North Carolina. 38 00:02:42,090 --> 00:02:46,920 PETE WILLIAMS: Michael, what does Trump want, and what does Trump need in a running mate? 39 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:49,730 MICHAEL SCHERER: Well, what he's said is he wants somebody with Washington experience. 40 00:02:49,730 --> 00:02:53,560 He doesn't have a lot. He wants someone with connections to show him around town - I 41 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,100 think New Gingrich, someone who has known the city for years and has a lot of 42 00:02:57,100 --> 00:03:00,580 success, although he's been out of official office for a long time. 43 00:03:00,580 --> 00:03:05,110 I think he also - he needs somebody who knows policy and government. 44 00:03:05,110 --> 00:03:09,420 You know, he's - he, by his own admission, is an instinct guy. He goes with his gut. 45 00:03:09,420 --> 00:03:13,410 But he doesn't know a lot about the details of legislation, and he needs somebody nearby 46 00:03:13,410 --> 00:03:16,280 him to help guide him through this. 47 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:21,330 I think what's interesting about Bob's list is you have in Christie and Gingrich two 48 00:03:21,330 --> 00:03:25,900 very different people, one who - Christie's become actually very close to Trump over the 49 00:03:25,900 --> 00:03:31,060 last few months, become a real adviser, talking on the phone very regularly. 50 00:03:31,060 --> 00:03:34,470 Newt, on the other hand - I think they admire each other from afar - Newt says very 51 00:03:34,470 --> 00:03:37,570 positive things - but they're not personally close. 52 00:03:37,570 --> 00:03:41,050 And I think one of the things Trump's going to have to decide is whether he wants, you 53 00:03:41,050 --> 00:03:45,790 know, a Cheney-like vice president who's really involved in the day-to-day, or Joe 54 00:03:45,790 --> 00:03:49,900 Biden-like, or whether he wants a(n) Al Gore-like vice president, who kind of goes off 55 00:03:49,900 --> 00:03:52,990 and does his own thing while Trump does it himself. 56 00:03:52,990 --> 00:03:56,060 ROBERT COSTA: You're spot-on about Trump not being that personally close to Gingrich. 57 00:03:56,060 --> 00:03:58,990 But you know how Trump digests so much information. 58 00:03:58,990 --> 00:04:03,070 He's on his airplane, his Boeing 757, and after events he sits back and he watches Fox 59 00:04:03,070 --> 00:04:07,440 News on his big screen, and he sees Newt Gingrich and other conservative politicians on 60 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,070 there, and that's how he's - he's seen Gingrich as a real surrogate. 61 00:04:11,070 --> 00:04:16,050 Real quick, on the VP list, two other names to think about: You have Mike Pence, the 62 00:04:16,050 --> 00:04:20,390 Indiana governor, and even Senator Ted Cruz, not that he's on the short list, but Pence 63 00:04:20,390 --> 00:04:24,120 and Cruz both reflect some of the Trump high command. 64 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,360 They believe Trump has a vulnerability with conservatives. 65 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,800 He needs to do something to shore up these never-Trumpers, these people who may come to 66 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,430 the convention in Cleveland and try to have a protest, and if they could bring out a 67 00:04:34,430 --> 00:04:37,730 Pence, who used to be in the House, as a conservative leader there, now the Indiana 68 00:04:37,730 --> 00:04:40,610 governor, maybe they think they could bring some of them along. 69 00:04:40,610 --> 00:04:43,280 PETE WILLIAMS: You had a piece this week about the chaos heading in the convention. 70 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:46,080 Tell us a little about that. Is it gelling? 71 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,890 ROBERT COSTA: There's - there is going to be a protest at the convention among 72 00:04:48,890 --> 00:04:51,420 conservatives, but this is not going to be a contested convention in the way you usually 73 00:04:51,420 --> 00:04:54,160 think of another candidate, a horse coming along. 74 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,360 What we're going to see is, on the Rules Committee, a push to maybe change the rules, to 75 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,120 try to stop Trump from getting the nomination, but the party leadership, Reince Priebus 76 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,570 at the RNC and others, are trying to stop that. Trump campaign's also getting ready. 77 00:05:05,570 --> 00:05:08,560 They have Bill Palatucci, who worked with Governor Chris Christie. 78 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,030 He's working on the Rules Committee to try to stop any kind of movement. 79 00:05:12,030 --> 00:05:15,940 But so many conservatives feel morally obligated to take a stand against Trump. 80 00:05:15,940 --> 00:05:18,380 That's why it's going to be wild. 81 00:05:18,380 --> 00:05:21,750 And the thing about Cleveland is, it's pretty unconventional for a convention, with - 82 00:05:21,750 --> 00:05:25,750 (laughter) - the Trump program's still being thought through - celebrities, sports stars. 83 00:05:25,750 --> 00:05:28,880 It's going to be different than anything we've ever seen. 84 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,060 JOAN BISKUPIC: Well, I was going to ask you about the timing of the announcement of his 85 00:05:32,060 --> 00:05:37,490 vice presidential choice. Is that a way to motivate some of the party elders to 86 00:05:37,490 --> 00:05:42,570 actually show up, not just give some stability to the ticket but to probably get out 87 00:05:42,570 --> 00:05:47,100 ahead of what could be even more chaotic than you understand it to be now? 88 00:05:47,100 --> 00:05:50,550 ROBERT COSTA: A couple months ago, when I spoke to Trump's top advisers and Trump 89 00:05:50,550 --> 00:05:54,320 himself, there was a sense that Trump was going to reveal his vice presidential pick at 90 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,290 the convention or a couple days before, to have the political theater of it all. 91 00:05:58,290 --> 00:06:02,490 But now, a few weeks before the convention, and there's a lot of party unease, there's a 92 00:06:02,490 --> 00:06:07,160 thought: Maybe do it next week, maybe have it 10 days from now, so the party - the 93 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,530 thought is, get the party behind the ticket before Cleveland, well ahead of Cleveland. 94 00:06:11,530 --> 00:06:14,430 YOCHI DREAZEN: It seems like that most cycles you have people either leak their 95 00:06:14,430 --> 00:06:17,430 own names as being on the short list or have their friends do it - (laughter) - so that 96 00:06:17,430 --> 00:06:20,940 you have this wide array. This time, with Trump being as toxic as he is, do you see 97 00:06:20,940 --> 00:06:24,080 people sort of doing the reverse, trying to tamp down - (laughter) - we are not on the 98 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,840 short list; we do not want this job? 99 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:30,240 MICHAEL SCHERER: Well, it's not only on the short list they've said that but just attending 100 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,050 the convention - I think one of the defining features of this convention is that it won't 101 00:06:33,050 --> 00:06:36,750 really be Republican in the classic sense. You know, the former president, George W. 102 00:06:36,750 --> 00:06:40,630 Bush, won't be there. The former nominees, Mitt Romney and John McCain, won't be there. 103 00:06:40,630 --> 00:06:45,810 A bunch of swing state - or swing senators who are up for re-election, from - including 104 00:06:45,810 --> 00:06:50,560 John McCain, Kelly Ayotte, will not be there. You know, the governor of Ohio is going, 105 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:55,140 but almost like he's being dragged against his will, because it's in his home state. 106 00:06:55,140 --> 00:06:57,080 JOAN BISKUPIC: Right. 107 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,620 PETE WILLIAMS: Well, Trump himself, during the campaign, angered a lot of those 108 00:07:00,620 --> 00:07:04,350 potential Republicans when he made some comments that angered people who are in the 109 00:07:04,350 --> 00:07:08,520 Republican establishment about international trade agreements. He attacked them and 110 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,530 he said - they of course are widely supported by the business community. 111 00:07:12,530 --> 00:07:16,770 DONALD TRUMP: (From video.) Our politicians have aggressively pursued a policy of 112 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:23,400 globalization, moving our jobs, our wealth and our factories to Mexico and overseas. 113 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:30,510 Globalization has made the financial elite who donate to politicians very, very wealthy. 114 00:07:30,510 --> 00:07:34,980 I used to be one of them. (Applause.) 115 00:07:34,980 --> 00:07:38,780 PETE WILLIAMS: Is this - is this hitting the Republicans where they live? 116 00:07:38,780 --> 00:07:41,720 MICHAEL SCHERER: Yes, and I think that - that speech was the most remarkable political 117 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,600 event of the week. To have the Republican nominee come out and so forwardly rebut decades 118 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,170 of Republican tradition - actually, bipartisan tradition - embracing these free trade 119 00:07:50,170 --> 00:07:55,430 agreements - he was calling there for renegotiating NAFTA, ending TPP - even if there 120 00:07:55,430 --> 00:07:59,700 was a vote on TPP, he said he would pull out of it - starting a trade war with China 121 00:07:59,700 --> 00:08:03,740 on a number of different fronts, and then he was calling for higher taxes. 122 00:08:03,740 --> 00:08:08,080 I mean, I can't remember a time when a Republican candidate was calling for higher taxes, 123 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,310 this time in the form of tariffs. But really what he is calling for, if it came to 124 00:08:12,310 --> 00:08:17,450 pass, would be a whole dramatic reorientation of the way the globe - global economy 125 00:08:17,450 --> 00:08:23,060 works. To have the U.S. pull back so dramatically and to make this a nationalist 126 00:08:23,060 --> 00:08:26,570 project would be - would be really quite dramatic. 127 00:08:26,570 --> 00:08:29,930 PETE WILLIAMS: Well, Hillary Clinton's campaign, of course, got a big boost this week 128 00:08:29,930 --> 00:08:34,000 from a fellow Democrat, one not too long ago who had been holding back on an endorsement. 129 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,150 Now Senator Elizabeth Warren has become the Trump attacker in chief. 130 00:08:38,150 --> 00:08:42,950 SENATOR ELIZABETH WARREN (D-MA): (From video.) You want to see goofy? Look at him in 131 00:08:42,950 --> 00:08:53,090 that hat. (Laughter.) But when Donald Trump says "great," I ask, great for who, exactly? 132 00:08:53,090 --> 00:08:58,430 (Applause.) Great for the guys who don't care how much they've already squeezed from 133 00:08:58,430 --> 00:09:03,570 everyone else, great for the guys who always want more. 134 00:09:03,570 --> 00:09:08,370 HILLARY CLINTON: (From video.) I do just love to see how she gets under Donald Trump's 135 00:09:08,370 --> 00:09:15,120 thin skin. (Cheers, applause.) She exposes him for what he is: temperamentally unfit 136 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:20,020 and totally unqualified to be president of the United States. (Cheers, applause.) 137 00:09:20,020 --> 00:09:23,380 PETE WILLIAMS: So, Robert, how big a deal is this? 138 00:09:23,380 --> 00:09:26,960 ROBERT COSTA: This was a significant moment for Secretary Clinton, because you still 139 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,360 have Senator Sanders in the presidential race, and there are some progressives who are 140 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,570 reluctant to sign on full-throated - in a full-throated way for Secretary Clinton. 141 00:09:34,570 --> 00:09:39,470 And you have another hero, Senator Warren, there, throwing her political weight behind 142 00:09:39,470 --> 00:09:43,010 the secretary. I think as she turns toward the convention in Philadelphia, this is the 143 00:09:43,010 --> 00:09:48,150 kind of person she wants at her side, perhaps as an ally and maybe as a vice presidential pick. 144 00:09:48,150 --> 00:09:51,660 YOCHI DREAZEN: I mean, it seems with Senator Warren that she really does know just how 145 00:09:51,660 --> 00:09:53,560 to get Trump. 146 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:57,090 She calls him "insecure" and "small" and "petty" and a "bully." I mean, do you think that 147 00:09:57,090 --> 00:10:00,590 she will cause him say something that even by his standards goes too far? (Laughter.) 148 00:10:00,590 --> 00:10:04,190 ROBERT COSTA: I mean, she has provoked him already on social media. 149 00:10:04,190 --> 00:10:08,770 He has gotten in some political hot water for referring to her as someone who's of Native 150 00:10:08,770 --> 00:10:16,170 American descent. And we see with Trump he loves the fight, and sometimes he is easily provoked. 151 00:10:16,170 --> 00:10:20,590 JOAN BISKUPIC: Can I ask about a kind of a late-in-the-week piece of Clinton news? 152 00:10:20,590 --> 00:10:25,710 And that was related to the emails. Attorney General Loretta Lynch had a very casual 153 00:10:25,710 --> 00:10:31,290 meeting in Phoenix on the tarmac with Bill Clinton, and right afterward, after certain 154 00:10:31,290 --> 00:10:36,890 furor from Democrats and Republicans, said that whatever comes out of the FBI in terms 155 00:10:36,890 --> 00:10:41,410 of the investigation of the emails, that she will defer to - you've got - 156 00:10:41,410 --> 00:10:44,600 PETE WILLIAMS: Or at least whatever comes out of career prosecutors at the Justice 157 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,310 Department. JOAN BISKUPIC: Right, she'll - that she will defer - 158 00:10:47,310 --> 00:10:51,740 MICHAEL SCHERER: I think it was a remarkable moment, in that the Clinton campaign has been 159 00:10:51,740 --> 00:10:56,910 incredibly successful this cycle in keeping Bill Clinton on message, not - as an asset, 160 00:10:56,910 --> 00:11:00,810 not as someone who's harming them. It was very different in 2008, if you remember then. 161 00:11:00,810 --> 00:11:05,880 This was just an obvious mistake on his part. And there's a blind spot here, I think, 162 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:11,400 for both Clintons in that they often don't - they underestimate the damage that 163 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,170 can be done by creating the appearance of impropriety, even when there is none. 164 00:11:15,170 --> 00:11:18,740 And there's no indication that there was any lobbying on the plane, but to have - 165 00:11:18,740 --> 00:11:21,140 JOAN BISKUPIC: Yeah, they were talking about grandchildren, supposedly - 166 00:11:21,140 --> 00:11:22,710 MICHAEL SCHERER: - yeah - ROBERT COSTA: And golf. 167 00:11:22,710 --> 00:11:24,340 JOAN BISKUPIC: Yeah. (Chuckles.) 168 00:11:24,340 --> 00:11:27,150 MICHAEL SCHERER: - and golf. So - but at the same time it clearly looks inappropriate. 169 00:11:27,150 --> 00:11:30,650 It's just not something that should be happening, and arguably not only does it 170 00:11:30,650 --> 00:11:34,790 bring up the email issue again, it drives the news cycle for a couple days, but arguably 171 00:11:34,790 --> 00:11:40,660 it has restricted the attorney general from what she might be able to do or chooses to do. 172 00:11:40,660 --> 00:11:43,660 PETE WILLIAMS: Robert, let me just - let me just ask you one thing about Bernie Sanders, 173 00:11:43,660 --> 00:11:45,920 speaking of Bernie Sanders. ROBERT COSTA: Right. 174 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,260 PETE WILLIAMS: Vice President Biden seemed to say this week that he's going to endorse - 175 00:11:49,260 --> 00:11:52,410 that Sanders is going to endorse Clinton, and then what happened? 176 00:11:52,410 --> 00:11:56,200 ROBERT COSTA: When I talk to Sanders' confidants and his advisers, they say he's going 177 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,280 to wait until Philadelphia. 178 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:03,940 He wants to ensure that the Democratic platform has progressive ideals; that it - on - 179 00:12:03,940 --> 00:12:08,620 especially in economic and trade policy; that it goes - tilts toward his own campaign's 180 00:12:08,620 --> 00:12:13,090 platform; and that he's in no rush to do it, that he's willing in Philadelphia to do it; 181 00:12:13,090 --> 00:12:17,300 and that Tad Devine, a Sanders adviser, is in constant touch with the Clinton people. 182 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:22,300 But Sanders is in his mid-70s, this has been the pinnacle of his career, and he's not 183 00:12:22,300 --> 00:12:25,640 ready to just walk away before every box is checked. 184 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,280 MICHAEL SCHERER: It's really interesting to see how much progress he's already made in 185 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,010 the platform fight. You have in there now - you know, it - the Democratic Party will 186 00:12:32,010 --> 00:12:34,580 recognize states who want to legalize marijuana. 187 00:12:34,580 --> 00:12:38,220 There's a push now to officially make $15 as the minimum wage standard. 188 00:12:38,220 --> 00:12:41,480 He's still pushing for a ban on fracking and stronger language on TPP. 189 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,420 But this platform will have his mark on it. It's clear at this point. 190 00:12:45,420 --> 00:12:48,190 PETE WILLIAMS: All right. Thank you both very much. 191 00:12:48,190 --> 00:12:51,700 All signs are pointing to ISIS as the terror group behind the deadly bomb attack this 192 00:12:51,700 --> 00:12:56,100 week on the airport in Istanbul, Turkey, that killed 44 people and injured scores of 193 00:12:56,100 --> 00:13:00,610 others. It was a reminder that the military pressure has not stopped the group's 194 00:13:00,610 --> 00:13:04,180 ability to inspire and direct terror attacks. 195 00:13:04,180 --> 00:13:07,840 CIA DIRECTOR JOHN BRENNAN: (From video.) We've made, I think, some significant progress, 196 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:13,960 along with our coalition partners, in Syria and Iraq, where most of the ISIS members are 197 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:21,130 resident right now. But the - ISIS's ability to continue to propagate its narrative, 198 00:13:21,130 --> 00:13:26,140 as well as to incite and carry out these attacks - I think we still have a ways to 199 00:13:26,140 --> 00:13:31,330 go before we're able to say that we have made some significant progress against them. 200 00:13:31,330 --> 00:13:35,400 PETE WILLIAMS: So, Yochi, what's the best way to understand why Turkey was the target? 201 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,940 YOCHI DREAZEN: Turkey is a central part of the U.S. coalition that's trying to fight 202 00:13:38,940 --> 00:13:42,400 ISIS. Their - Turkish airbases are allowing U.S. planes to fly. 203 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,360 Turkish planes are flying into Syria and carrying out bombing campaigns. 204 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,560 So for ISIS, if they're trying to hit a powerful country, Turkey is the one that they 205 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:51,590 could and should hit. They've talked about hitting it. 206 00:13:51,590 --> 00:13:54,930 There's personal language, interestingly, between President Erdogan of Turkey, who sort 207 00:13:54,930 --> 00:13:59,200 of pounds his chest and says, I'm coming after you, ISIS. And they say the same to him. 208 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,520 There's been something brewing between them and Turkey for quite some time, and it comes 209 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,430 when Turkey's been hit for weeks now by bombings in Ankara, other bombings in Istanbul, 210 00:14:06,430 --> 00:14:09,440 so this is not the first and won't be the last. 211 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,600 PETE WILLIAMS: And is there something different about this campaign in terms of the 212 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,950 people who carried it out - where they came from, who was behind it? 213 00:14:15,950 --> 00:14:19,220 YOCHI DREAZEN: It's very striking. Typically, the attacks ISIS has carried out have 214 00:14:19,220 --> 00:14:23,680 been either Arabs or, in some cases, others who might have been part of the caliphate, 215 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,230 their caliphate in Iraq and Syria. Here was very different. Here as a Russian, an 216 00:14:27,230 --> 00:14:31,360 Uzbek, someone from Kyrgyzstan. These communities already exist in Turkey. 217 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,770 They're not communities that the Turkish security forces had paid much attention to. 218 00:14:34,770 --> 00:14:38,100 They're not Kurdish. They're not Arab. They're not the people Turkey has seen as 219 00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:41,610 possible enemies. And if these communities are now radicalized, or if somebody 220 00:14:41,610 --> 00:14:45,310 comes and disappears in those communities, it's a threat Turkey's not prepared for. 221 00:14:45,310 --> 00:14:48,200 JOAN BISKUPIC: Let me ask you about the target itself. 222 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,720 This was not a cafe in Paris. This was a heavily secured airport. 223 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:56,390 It seems rather audacious. How do you understand why this airport? 224 00:14:56,390 --> 00:14:59,760 YOCHI DREAZEN: So the Ataturk Airport is one that I've personally been through about a 225 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,030 dozen times, and the only airport I've been to in the world as secure is Ben-Gurion 226 00:15:03,030 --> 00:15:06,600 Airport in Israel. There are heavily armed Turkish security throughout the airport. 227 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,030 The fact that they were able to make it in, kill as many people as they did, is really 228 00:15:10,030 --> 00:15:13,500 remarkable. And I think what it shows is, this was a well-planned attack. 229 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:17,010 This wasn't somebody who walked into a nightclub in Orlando, where there was nobody he 230 00:15:17,010 --> 00:15:20,550 had to worry about, and killed 50 people. These were people who walked into a heavily 231 00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:24,450 secured place, knew where to go, knew how to hit it and did. 232 00:15:24,450 --> 00:15:27,620 MICHAEL SCHERER: These bombings are happening in the U.S. - or these mass attacks 233 00:15:27,620 --> 00:15:33,030 are happening in the U.S. - they're happening overseas with a lot - considerable regularity. 234 00:15:33,030 --> 00:15:38,400 Is there a point at which it just becomes too much and the Western world changes its 235 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,570 policy with regards to what's going on in Syria or its policy in terms of how they're 236 00:15:42,570 --> 00:15:46,730 dealing with security? I mean, where is the breaking point if this continues? 237 00:15:46,730 --> 00:15:49,900 YOCHI DREAZEN: I think it's a great question, and you know, underlying, like, the Brexit 238 00:15:49,900 --> 00:15:53,550 vote and frankly the move towards other similar votes in other countries in Europe is 239 00:15:53,550 --> 00:15:57,470 Muslims equal ISIS equals terror, and we don't want Muslims in, because they will bring 240 00:15:57,470 --> 00:16:00,680 with them ISIS and they will bring with them terrorism. So I think you're already 241 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,720 seeing it, politically and in some of the value systems of the countries. 242 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,190 In a really sad irony, the Pentagon put out a report this week saying that ISIS had lost 243 00:16:07,190 --> 00:16:11,660 47 percent of its territory in Iraq and Syria. That's now half of what it once had. 244 00:16:11,660 --> 00:16:14,660 And they were saying, hey, this is great news. We've kicked them out of half of what the - 245 00:16:14,660 --> 00:16:18,410 of the caliphate. Well, then turn around and suddenly they've hit the Istanbul airport. 246 00:16:18,410 --> 00:16:21,110 PETE WILLIAMS: Well, you mentioned the security at that airport. 247 00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:24,350 Of course it's very different here. Is this attack going to change the approach 248 00:16:24,350 --> 00:16:27,600 that American airports take in their security? 249 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,210 YOCHI DREAZEN: To be honest, I don't know how it could, really. 250 00:16:30,210 --> 00:16:33,280 I mean, you could have more security guards outside of an airport who are heavily armed, 251 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,530 but that just leaves train stations open, or that just leaves bus stations open. You 252 00:16:36,530 --> 00:16:39,860 know, we are so massive a country, and there are so many airports, we don't have the 253 00:16:39,860 --> 00:16:43,370 personnel really to do it. And the fear in some ways here is less that ISIS will 254 00:16:43,370 --> 00:16:47,100 get someone on a plane from Syria to come to the U.S. The fear is Orlando. The fear 255 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:50,460 is somebody will pick up a gun, kill 50 people and say, I did this in the name of the 256 00:16:50,460 --> 00:16:54,480 Islamic State, even if they had no connection whatsoever to the Islamic State before. 257 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,940 ROBERT COSTA: What has been the political response across Europe? 258 00:16:57,940 --> 00:17:01,610 There's been a lot of concern over the past few years about Turkey's proximity to Syria 259 00:17:01,610 --> 00:17:05,020 and the way migration works in Turkey and perhaps coming into Europe. 260 00:17:05,020 --> 00:17:08,250 Just how are people responding throughout the continent? 261 00:17:08,250 --> 00:17:11,260 YOCHI DREAZEN: It's interesting. Right before the Brexit vote there were leaflets 262 00:17:11,260 --> 00:17:14,390 in England that showed Turkey and its border with Syria. That's all it showed. 263 00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:16,690 And it was - the message was clear. 264 00:17:16,690 --> 00:17:19,990 The message was, let in - if we stay in the EU, Turkey will join the EU, and then 265 00:17:19,990 --> 00:17:23,290 suddenly you've got this flood of terrifying Syrians coming into European countries. 266 00:17:23,290 --> 00:17:26,710 And so it was a subtext in some places, and then in England, before the Brexit vote, it 267 00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:29,200 was just the text, the literal text. 268 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,940 PETE WILLIAMS: Yochi, very briefly, I think many people were impressed and really quite 269 00:17:32,940 --> 00:17:37,180 surprised at how fast they got the airport going again. What - is that an 270 00:17:37,180 --> 00:17:41,290 intentional message they're sending, or is that just the way those folks are used to it? 271 00:17:41,290 --> 00:17:44,560 YOCHI DREAZEN: In some ways, it's that they needed to. And this airport is the 272 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,530 biggest airport in Turkey. But Turkey is like Israel in that respect. 273 00:17:47,530 --> 00:17:50,470 They've been hit by terror attacks before, for decades. Usually it had been Kurds. 274 00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:53,500 But this is not new to them, and they pride themselves on the fact, as the Israelis do, 275 00:17:53,500 --> 00:17:57,370 that life does not stop. Turkey, when something was hit in the middle of 276 00:17:57,370 --> 00:18:00,310 Istanbul, it was cleaned up and it was open again to tourists the next day. 277 00:18:00,310 --> 00:18:02,760 PETE WILLIAMS: All right. Thank you very much. 278 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,350 Finally, the Supreme Court justices handed down the final decisions of the term this 279 00:18:06,350 --> 00:18:10,050 week, including the most important ruling on abortion in a quarter century. 280 00:18:10,050 --> 00:18:14,290 The Court struck down a Texas law that caused more than half the abortion clinics in that 281 00:18:14,290 --> 00:18:18,290 state to close. So, Joan, does this ruling simple restate the law on abortion, 282 00:18:18,290 --> 00:18:20,720 or does it take it further? 283 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,570 JOAN BISKUPIC: No. What it does - for the first time since 1992, when the Court had 284 00:18:24,570 --> 00:18:28,700 affirmed Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to end a pregnancy, it actually clarifies 285 00:18:28,700 --> 00:18:34,140 what judges below should do, what should state legislatures be able to pass in terms 286 00:18:34,140 --> 00:18:38,220 of restrictions on a woman who wants to end a pregnancy. 287 00:18:38,220 --> 00:18:43,140 And what the justices said, in a pretty strong opinion for a short-handed Court, by 5 to 288 00:18:43,140 --> 00:18:49,060 3 - that lower court judges should actually do their own search in the evidence, they 289 00:18:49,060 --> 00:18:54,290 should take depositions, they should look at the effects of a restriction on women who 290 00:18:54,290 --> 00:18:58,470 are trying to get an abortion, rather than just go with what the legislature says. 291 00:18:58,470 --> 00:19:02,200 Here Texas had said that it needed to pass two key provisions. 292 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:07,440 One put - required physicians who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at local 293 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:13,080 hospitals - a very tough standard for physicians who would only be doing abortions. 294 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,490 So that closed - out of about 40 clinics in Texas when this law was passed, it closed 295 00:19:17,490 --> 00:19:21,680 about half of them. Second standard, which hadn't been put into effect yet, would 296 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:27,090 have required hospital-grade facilities and staffing at clinics that perform abortions. 297 00:19:27,090 --> 00:19:33,340 And the legislature said, we need to pass this to help maternal health. 298 00:19:33,340 --> 00:19:39,400 Some of you might remember, when it was passed in July of 2013, then-Texas State Senator 299 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:44,270 Wendy Davis did this all-night filibuster, so it got a lot of attention. 300 00:19:44,270 --> 00:19:49,080 And a lower court then struck down these laws, saying, look, after taking a lot of 301 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,880 testimony, these things aren't necessary for maternal health. 302 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:57,820 The legislature's putting an undue burden, under the Casey standard from 1992 that Pete 303 00:19:57,820 --> 00:20:01,190 just referred to, and it's unconstitutional. 304 00:20:01,190 --> 00:20:06,660 Fifth Circuit reversed, but in what I think was a rather stunning decision by the Supreme 305 00:20:06,660 --> 00:20:10,460 Court, with Justice Anthony Kennedy on board, said no, this is unconstitutional. 306 00:20:10,460 --> 00:20:14,610 ROBERT COSTA: What have - what have we learned - you called it a short-handed Court. 307 00:20:14,610 --> 00:20:16,280 JOAN BISKUPIC: Yeah. 308 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,480 ROBERT COSTA: What have we learned about the tilt and makeup of this short-handed Court, 309 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,570 especially on these kind of issues? 310 00:20:21,570 --> 00:20:25,060 JOAN BISKUPIC: Well, tilting to the left more than when Antonin Scalia, who died in 311 00:20:25,060 --> 00:20:29,020 February, was there, in - on this abortion ruling and also on an affirmative action 312 00:20:29,020 --> 00:20:32,030 ruling that we had last week, certainly tilting that way. 313 00:20:32,030 --> 00:20:36,160 Anthony Kennedy, who's always been our center conservative justice, has moved over. 314 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,690 Now there have been some cases that went conservative just because they had to - they 315 00:20:40,690 --> 00:20:45,680 broke 4 to 4 - for example, in immigration - and let's - upheld a lower court ruling 316 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:50,340 against President Barack Obama. But that was more because of where the lower 317 00:20:50,340 --> 00:20:54,050 court was, not where they ended up, as they were divided. 318 00:20:54,050 --> 00:20:57,550 PETE WILLIAMS: And in terms of what we can expect for the next term, obviously it's 319 00:20:57,550 --> 00:21:00,730 going to start out with eight justices; seems unlikely that Merrick Garland, if he gets a 320 00:21:00,730 --> 00:21:03,850 hearing, would be confirmed by the first Monday in October. 321 00:21:03,850 --> 00:21:06,020 So how does it look for next term? 322 00:21:06,020 --> 00:21:09,860 JOAN BISKUPIC: You know, Pete, we might even be into calendar 2017 by the time we have a 323 00:21:09,860 --> 00:21:15,310 ninth justice. And you can tell that the remaining eight are wondering how many 324 00:21:15,310 --> 00:21:18,200 cases to take and how many hot-button cases to take. 325 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,530 They've taken several business disputes that they'll resolve. 326 00:21:21,530 --> 00:21:24,740 You know, they want to take cases where there are conflicts in the circuits. 327 00:21:24,740 --> 00:21:29,720 They want to standardize the law across the nation. But you can already feel in some 328 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:34,760 areas, especially on social policy, that they might be a little bit gun-shy. 329 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:42,320 On the last day of their regular business this week they rejected an appeal from a 330 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:47,570 pharmacist out in Washington state who was challenging a state law that said that his 331 00:21:47,570 --> 00:21:53,180 business had to provide emergency contraception, and he said his religious beliefs, you 332 00:21:53,180 --> 00:21:59,050 know, would be impinged if he did that. That's the kind of case that with Scalia 333 00:21:59,050 --> 00:22:03,150 and - they probably would have taken, because you only need four votes to grant it, 334 00:22:03,150 --> 00:22:06,820 and three of the conservatives dissented and said we should be taking this. 335 00:22:06,820 --> 00:22:09,960 MICHAEL SCHERER: What does this mean for the legacy of John Roberts? 336 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:15,330 He's still very early in his time as chief justice, but has the loss of Scalia had a real 337 00:22:15,330 --> 00:22:18,260 impact on what he'll be able to do? 338 00:22:18,260 --> 00:22:21,860 JOAN BISKUPIC: Well, during his first 10 years, Michael, John Roberts had five 339 00:22:21,860 --> 00:22:25,460 conservatives. He was - he was sort of at the height of his power during his first 340 00:22:25,460 --> 00:22:30,200 decade because of Scalia's vote. And now here we have a conservative chief justice 341 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,750 leading a Court that seems to be getting liberal by the day, and we haven't had 342 00:22:34,750 --> 00:22:39,190 anything like that in decades, where the chief wasn't in as much control. 343 00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:42,290 PETE WILLIAMS: All right. Joan, thank you. Thank you all. 344 00:22:42,290 --> 00:22:46,820 And before we close tonight, a shout-out and congratulations to one of Washington Week's 345 00:22:46,820 --> 00:22:53,200 own. Greg King is retiring after nearly 44 years here at WETA. Greg has been with WETA 346 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:58,540 in a variety of technical capacities, working with this broadcast and the PBS NewsHour. 347 00:22:58,540 --> 00:23:02,680 We thank him for his dedication, wish him a well-deserved set of Friday nights to enjoy 348 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,740 in the future. Long live the King! 349 00:23:05,740 --> 00:23:08,920 And to all of you, a very happy and healthy 4th of July weekend. 350 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:35,220 I'm Pete Williams. Be sure to come back again next week on Washington Week. Good night.