BALL, AT THE PRESIDENT'S APPEAL
FOR ACTION IN SYRIA.
WHAT NEXT?

FOR ACTION IN SYRIA.
WHAT NEXT?
TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK" --

WHAT NEXT?
TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK" --
>> THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'VE

TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK" --
>> THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'VE
FABRICATED OR OR USING AS AN

>> THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'VE
FABRICATED OR OR USING AS AN
EXCUSE FOR MILITARY ACTION.

FABRICATED OR OR USING AS AN
EXCUSE FOR MILITARY ACTION.
I WOULD ELECTO EN TD WARS, NOT

EXCUSE FOR MILITARY ACTION.
I WOULD ELECTO EN TD WARS, NOT
START A WAR.

I WOULD ELECTO EN TD WARS, NOT
START A WAR.
GWEN: MAKING THE CASE FOR

START A WAR.
GWEN: MAKING THE CASE FOR
INTERVENTION ABROAD TO THE

GWEN: MAKING THE CASE FOR
INTERVENTION ABROAD TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE AT HOME.

INTERVENTION ABROAD TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE AT HOME.
>> PRESIDENT OBAMA IS NOT

AMERICAN PEOPLE AT HOME.
>> PRESIDENT OBAMA IS NOT
ASKING AMERICA TO GO TO WAR.

>> PRESIDENT OBAMA IS NOT
ASKING AMERICA TO GO TO WAR.
GWEN: BUT A FIGHT HAS BROKEN

ASKING AMERICA TO GO TO WAR.
GWEN: BUT A FIGHT HAS BROKEN
OUT ON CAPITOL HILL.

GWEN: BUT A FIGHT HAS BROKEN
OUT ON CAPITOL HILL.
>> ONLY THE UNITED STATES HAS

OUT ON CAPITOL HILL.
>> ONLY THE UNITED STATES HAS
THE CAPABILITY AND THE CAPACITY

>> ONLY THE UNITED STATES HAS
THE CAPABILITY AND THE CAPACITY
TO STOP ASSAD AND TO WARN

THE CAPABILITY AND THE CAPACITY
TO STOP ASSAD AND TO WARN
OTHERS AROUND THE WORLD THAT

TO STOP ASSAD AND TO WARN
OTHERS AROUND THE WORLD THAT
THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR IS NOT

OTHERS AROUND THE WORLD THAT
THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR IS NOT
GOING TO BE TOLERATED.

THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR IS NOT
GOING TO BE TOLERATED.
>> I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYTHING

GOING TO BE TOLERATED.
>> I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYTHING
THAT I'VE HEARD THAT WOULD

>> I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYTHING
THAT I'VE HEARD THAT WOULD
PERSUADE ME THAT THE CONDUCT OF

THAT I'VE HEARD THAT WOULD
PERSUADE ME THAT THE CONDUCT OF
THIS INSANE MANIAC IN SYRIA IS

PERSUADE ME THAT THE CONDUCT OF
THIS INSANE MANIAC IN SYRIA IS
DOING ANYTHING TO PLACE MY

THIS INSANE MANIAC IN SYRIA IS
DOING ANYTHING TO PLACE MY
COUNTRY IN DANGER OR TO VIOLATE

DOING ANYTHING TO PLACE MY
COUNTRY IN DANGER OR TO VIOLATE
OR NATIONAL SECURITY.

COUNTRY IN DANGER OR TO VIOLATE
OR NATIONAL SECURITY.
GWEN: AS THE PRESIDENT PREPARES

OR NATIONAL SECURITY.
GWEN: AS THE PRESIDENT PREPARES
FOR A NATIONAL ADDRESS, HE ALSO

GWEN: AS THE PRESIDENT PREPARES
FOR A NATIONAL ADDRESS, HE ALSO
FACES BASIC POLITICAL

FOR A NATIONAL ADDRESS, HE ALSO
FACES BASIC POLITICAL
QUESTIONS.

FACES BASIC POLITICAL
QUESTIONS.
>> MY CREDIBILITY IS NOT ONLY

QUESTIONS.
>> MY CREDIBILITY IS NOT ONLY
THE LINE.

>> MY CREDIBILITY IS NOT ONLY
THE LINE.
THE INTERNAL COMMUNITY'S

THE LINE.
THE INTERNAL COMMUNITY'S
CREDIBILITY IS ON THE LINE.

THE INTERNAL COMMUNITY'S
CREDIBILITY IS ON THE LINE.
AMERICA AND CONGRESS'S

CREDIBILITY IS ON THE LINE.
AMERICA AND CONGRESS'S
CREDIBILITY IS ON THE LINE

AMERICA AND CONGRESS'S
CREDIBILITY IS ON THE LINE
BECAUSE WE GIVE LIP SERVICE TO

CREDIBILITY IS ON THE LINE
BECAUSE WE GIVE LIP SERVICE TO
THE NOTION THAT THESE

BECAUSE WE GIVE LIP SERVICE TO
THE NOTION THAT THESE
INTERNATIONAL ENORMOUS ARE

THE NOTION THAT THESE
INTERNATIONAL ENORMOUS ARE
IMPORTANT.

INTERNATIONAL ENORMOUS ARE
IMPORTANT.
GWEN: BUT CAN CONGRESS OR THE

IMPORTANT.
GWEN: BUT CAN CONGRESS OR THE
PUBLIC BE PERSUADED?

GWEN: BUT CAN CONGRESS OR THE
PUBLIC BE PERSUADED?
COVERING THE WEEK, SUSAN DAVIS

PUBLIC BE PERSUADED?
COVERING THE WEEK, SUSAN DAVIS
OF "USA TODAY," JOHN DICKERSON

COVERING THE WEEK, SUSAN DAVIS
OF "USA TODAY," JOHN DICKERSON
OF "SLATE" MAGAZINE AND CBS

OF "USA TODAY," JOHN DICKERSON
OF "SLATE" MAGAZINE AND CBS
NEWS, ED ED OF THE "WASHINGTON

OF "SLATE" MAGAZINE AND CBS
NEWS, ED ED OF THE "WASHINGTON
POST" AND DAVID SANGER OF "THE

NEWS, ED ED OF THE "WASHINGTON
POST" AND DAVID SANGER OF "THE
NEW YORK TIMES."

POST" AND DAVID SANGER OF "THE
NEW YORK TIMES."
>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND

NEW YORK TIMES."
>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND
ANALYSIS.

>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND
ANALYSIS.
COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS.

ANALYSIS.
COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS.
LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL,

COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS.
LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL,
THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK WITH

LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL,
THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK WITH
GWEN IFILL."

ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM
WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN
IFILL.

WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN
IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.

IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
THIS HAS BEEN A PERPLEXING WEEK

GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
THIS HAS BEEN A PERPLEXING WEEK
FOR THE PRESIDENT AND A

THIS HAS BEEN A PERPLEXING WEEK
FOR THE PRESIDENT AND A
CHALLENGING ONE FOR CONGRESS.

FOR THE PRESIDENT AND A
CHALLENGING ONE FOR CONGRESS.
THE PRESIDENT SAID HE HAS

CHALLENGING ONE FOR CONGRESS.
THE PRESIDENT SAID HE HAS
DECIDED IT'S IMPORTANT TO

THE PRESIDENT SAID HE HAS
DECIDED IT'S IMPORTANT TO
STRIKE SYRIA IN ORDER TO PUNISH

DECIDED IT'S IMPORTANT TO
STRIKE SYRIA IN ORDER TO PUNISH
PRESIDENT BASHAR AL-ASSAD FOR

STRIKE SYRIA IN ORDER TO PUNISH
PRESIDENT BASHAR AL-ASSAD FOR
USING CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAINST

PRESIDENT BASHAR AL-ASSAD FOR
USING CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAINST
HIS OWN PEOPLE.

USING CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAINST
HIS OWN PEOPLE.
THEN HE ASDKE CONGRESS TO BACK

HIS OWN PEOPLE.
THEN HE ASDKE CONGRESS TO BACK
HIM UP.

THEN HE ASDKE CONGRESS TO BACK
HIM UP.
AT FIRST, LEADERS FROM BOTH

HIM UP.
AT FIRST, LEADERS FROM BOTH
PARTIES AND BOTH CHAMBERS

AT FIRST, LEADERS FROM BOTH
PARTIES AND BOTH CHAMBERS
CLIMBED ONBOARD.

PARTIES AND BOTH CHAMBERS
CLIMBED ONBOARD.
>> ONCE THE ADMINISTRATION MADE

CLIMBED ONBOARD.
>> ONCE THE ADMINISTRATION MADE
THIS CALL, THOUGH, I THINK

>> ONCE THE ADMINISTRATION MADE
THIS CALL, THOUGH, I THINK
THERE IS A REAL NEED FOR US TO

THIS CALL, THOUGH, I THINK
THERE IS A REAL NEED FOR US TO
BACK IT UP OR AMERICA BECOMES A

THERE IS A REAL NEED FOR US TO
BACK IT UP OR AMERICA BECOMES A
PAPER TIGER.

BACK IT UP OR AMERICA BECOMES A
PAPER TIGER.
>> I THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD

PAPER TIGER.
>> I THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD
AND STRIKE.

>> I THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD
AND STRIKE.
AND IT CAN'T BE ONE JUST DAY OR

AND STRIKE.
AND IT CAN'T BE ONE JUST DAY OR
TWO OR THREE DAYS OF TOMAHAWK

AND IT CAN'T BE ONE JUST DAY OR
TWO OR THREE DAYS OF TOMAHAWK
MISSILES.

TWO OR THREE DAYS OF TOMAHAWK
MISSILES.
GWEN: THE PRESIDENT'S WAR

MISSILES.
GWEN: THE PRESIDENT'S WAR
CABINET WENT TO CAPITOL HILL.

GWEN: THE PRESIDENT'S WAR
CABINET WENT TO CAPITOL HILL.
>> HAVING DEFINED AMERICA'S

CABINET WENT TO CAPITOL HILL.
>> HAVING DEFINED AMERICA'S
INTERESTS AND MILITARY

>> HAVING DEFINED AMERICA'S
INTERESTS AND MILITARY
OBJECTIVES, WE ALMOST MUST

INTERESTS AND MILITARY
OBJECTIVES, WE ALMOST MUST
EXAMINE THE RISKS AND

OBJECTIVES, WE ALMOST MUST
EXAMINE THE RISKS AND
CONSEQUENCES OF ACTION AS WELL

EXAMINE THE RISKS AND
CONSEQUENCES OF ACTION AS WELL
AS THE CONSEQUENCES OF

CONSEQUENCES OF ACTION AS WELL
AS THE CONSEQUENCES OF
INACTION.

AS THE CONSEQUENCES OF
INACTION.
GWEN: BUT TONIGHT, MANY MEMBERS

INACTION.
GWEN: BUT TONIGHT, MANY MEMBERS
OF CONGRESS FROM LIBERALS TO

GWEN: BUT TONIGHT, MANY MEMBERS
OF CONGRESS FROM LIBERALS TO
CONSERVATIVES REMAIN

OF CONGRESS FROM LIBERALS TO
CONSERVATIVES REMAIN
UNCONVINCED.

CONSERVATIVES REMAIN
UNCONVINCED.
>> PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT

UNCONVINCED.
>> PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT
OUR PROBLEM.

>> PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT
OUR PROBLEM.
IT'S NOT GOING TO DO ANY GOOD,

OUR PROBLEM.
IT'S NOT GOING TO DO ANY GOOD,
IT'S EXPENSIVE AND DANGEROUS.

IT'S NOT GOING TO DO ANY GOOD,
IT'S EXPENSIVE AND DANGEROUS.
IF YOU WANT TO GET US INTO A

IT'S EXPENSIVE AND DANGEROUS.
IF YOU WANT TO GET US INTO A
THIRD WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST,

IF YOU WANT TO GET US INTO A
THIRD WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST,
THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT.

THIRD WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST,
THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT.
>> I DO THINK THAT MANY OF US

THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT.
>> I DO THINK THAT MANY OF US
HAVE LEARNED HOW DIFFICULT IT

>> I DO THINK THAT MANY OF US
HAVE LEARNED HOW DIFFICULT IT
IS BASED ON THE IRAQ EXPERIENCE

HAVE LEARNED HOW DIFFICULT IT
IS BASED ON THE IRAQ EXPERIENCE
R THE UNITED STATES TO GET

IS BASED ON THE IRAQ EXPERIENCE
R THE UNITED STATES TO GET
DISENGAGED ONCE WE TAKE A

R THE UNITED STATES TO GET
DISENGAGED ONCE WE TAKE A
MILITARY ACTION.

DISENGAGED ONCE WE TAKE A
MILITARY ACTION.
GWEN: SO ED, LET'S KEEP COUNT.

MILITARY ACTION.
GWEN: SO ED, LET'S KEEP COUNT.
WHERE DO WE STAND TONIGHT?

GWEN: SO ED, LET'S KEEP COUNT.
WHERE DO WE STAND TONIGHT?
>> AS OF TONIGHT AS WE GO ONTO

WHERE DO WE STAND TONIGHT?
>> AS OF TONIGHT AS WE GO ONTO
THE AIR, ACCORDING TO THE

>> AS OF TONIGHT AS WE GO ONTO
THE AIR, ACCORDING TO THE
"WASHINGTON POST," THERE ARE

THE AIR, ACCORDING TO THE
"WASHINGTON POST," THERE ARE
224 LAWMAKERS THAT ARE EITHER

"WASHINGTON POST," THERE ARE
224 LAWMAKERS THAT ARE EITHER
NO OR LEANING NO IN THE HOUSE.

224 LAWMAKERS THAT ARE EITHER
NO OR LEANING NO IN THE HOUSE.
YOU'RE GOING TO NEED 217 TO

NO OR LEANING NO IN THE HOUSE.
YOU'RE GOING TO NEED 217 TO
DEFEAT A RESOLUTION WHEN IT

YOU'RE GOING TO NEED 217 TO
DEFEAT A RESOLUTION WHEN IT
COMES BALLS THERE ARE TWO

DEFEAT A RESOLUTION WHEN IT
COMES BALLS THERE ARE TWO
VACANCIES RIGHT NOW IN THE

COMES BALLS THERE ARE TWO
VACANCIES RIGHT NOW IN THE
HOUSE.

VACANCIES RIGHT NOW IN THE
HOUSE.
THE MAGIC NUMBER IS 217.

HOUSE.
THE MAGIC NUMBER IS 217.
IN THE SENATE AT THIS POINT

THE MAGIC NUMBER IS 217.
IN THE SENATE AT THIS POINT
JUST 15 ARE OPPOSED.

IN THE SENATE AT THIS POINT
JUST 15 ARE OPPOSED.
FOUR DEMOCRATS AMONG THEM.

JUST 15 ARE OPPOSED.
FOUR DEMOCRATS AMONG THEM.
ANOTHER 10 ARE LEANING NO AND A

FOUR DEMOCRATS AMONG THEM.
ANOTHER 10 ARE LEANING NO AND A
MAJORITY ARE STILL UNDECIDED.

ANOTHER 10 ARE LEANING NO AND A
MAJORITY ARE STILL UNDECIDED.
YOU TALK TO SENIOR

MAJORITY ARE STILL UNDECIDED.
YOU TALK TO SENIOR
CONGRESSIONAL AIDES, READ THE

YOU TALK TO SENIOR
CONGRESSIONAL AIDES, READ THE
TEA LEAVES WHEN IT COMES TO THE

CONGRESSIONAL AIDES, READ THE
TEA LEAVES WHEN IT COMES TO THE
HOUSE DEMOCRATS ESPECIALLY AND

TEA LEAVES WHEN IT COMES TO THE
HOUSE DEMOCRATS ESPECIALLY AND
HERE'S A BELIEF THAT WHEN MANY

HOUSE DEMOCRATS ESPECIALLY AND
HERE'S A BELIEF THAT WHEN MANY
LEANING NO LAWMAKERS RETURN ON

HERE'S A BELIEF THAT WHEN MANY
LEANING NO LAWMAKERS RETURN ON
MONDAY AND BEGIN READING THE

LEANING NO LAWMAKERS RETURN ON
MONDAY AND BEGIN READING THE
MATERIALS IT MIGHT MAKE SOME

MONDAY AND BEGIN READING THE
MATERIALS IT MIGHT MAKE SOME
REMAIN SKEPTICAL OR UNDECIDED

MATERIALS IT MIGHT MAKE SOME
REMAIN SKEPTICAL OR UNDECIDED
THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THE

REMAIN SKEPTICAL OR UNDECIDED
THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THE
WEEK.

THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THE
WEEK.
THERE ARE THOSE THAT SAY WHAT'S

WEEK.
THERE ARE THOSE THAT SAY WHAT'S
THE RISKE TO THE UNITED STATES

THERE ARE THOSE THAT SAY WHAT'S
THE RISKE TO THE UNITED STATES
AND THAT IS THE ARGUMENT THE

THE RISKE TO THE UNITED STATES
AND THAT IS THE ARGUMENT THE
PRESIDENT WILL HAVE TO ANSWER

AND THAT IS THE ARGUMENT THE
PRESIDENT WILL HAVE TO ANSWER
IN THE COMING DAYS.

PRESIDENT WILL HAVE TO ANSWER
IN THE COMING DAYS.
GWEN: IT SEEMS THAT REPUBLICANS

IN THE COMING DAYS.
GWEN: IT SEEMS THAT REPUBLICANS
LIKE JOHN BOEHNER, WHO WAS IN

GWEN: IT SEEMS THAT REPUBLICANS
LIKE JOHN BOEHNER, WHO WAS IN
SUPPORT RIGHT OFF OF THE

LIKE JOHN BOEHNER, WHO WAS IN
SUPPORT RIGHT OFF OF THE
PRESIDENT AND THEIR BASE ARE

SUPPORT RIGHT OFF OF THE
PRESIDENT AND THEIR BASE ARE
THE ONES ABANDONING THEM ON THE

PRESIDENT AND THEIR BASE ARE
THE ONES ABANDONING THEM ON THE
FAR LEFT AND FAR RIGHT.

THE ONES ABANDONING THEM ON THE
FAR LEFT AND FAR RIGHT.
>> ONE PROBLEM YOU HAVE WITH

FAR LEFT AND FAR RIGHT.
>> ONE PROBLEM YOU HAVE WITH
BOEHNER AND ERIC CANTOR, WHO

>> ONE PROBLEM YOU HAVE WITH
BOEHNER AND ERIC CANTOR, WHO
ALSO CAME OUT NORTHWESTERLY

BOEHNER AND ERIC CANTOR, WHO
ALSO CAME OUT NORTHWESTERLY
SUPPORT IS THIS IS A CONFERENCE

ALSO CAME OUT NORTHWESTERLY
SUPPORT IS THIS IS A CONFERENCE
THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY

SUPPORT IS THIS IS A CONFERENCE
THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY
FOLLOW IN LINE OF OUR

THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY
FOLLOW IN LINE OF OUR
LEADERSHIP.

FOLLOW IN LINE OF OUR
LEADERSHIP.
THE IDEA THAT THE SPEAKER AND

LEADERSHIP.
THE IDEA THAT THE SPEAKER AND
MAJORITY WOULD GET BEHIND

THE IDEA THAT THE SPEAKER AND
MAJORITY WOULD GET BEHIND
SOMETHING DOESN'T NECESSARILY

MAJORITY WOULD GET BEHIND
SOMETHING DOESN'T NECESSARILY
TRANSLATE INTO VOTES.

SOMETHING DOESN'T NECESSARILY
TRANSLATE INTO VOTES.
ON THE OPPOSITE END YOU HAVE

TRANSLATE INTO VOTES.
ON THE OPPOSITE END YOU HAVE
NANCY PELOSI WHICH IS A CERTAIN

ON THE OPPOSITE END YOU HAVE
NANCY PELOSI WHICH IS A CERTAIN
AMOUNT OF IRONY, BEING AN

NANCY PELOSI WHICH IS A CERTAIN
AMOUNT OF IRONY, BEING AN
DVOCATE FOR THE PULITZER

AMOUNT OF IRONY, BEING AN
DVOCATE FOR THE PULITZER
PRIZEWINNER ON CAPITOL HILL.

DVOCATE FOR THE PULITZER
PRIZEWINNER ON CAPITOL HILL.
THERE'S MORE OF AN IDEA THAT

PRIZEWINNER ON CAPITOL HILL.
THERE'S MORE OF AN IDEA THAT
THIS IS THE DEMOCRATS'

THERE'S MORE OF AN IDEA THAT
THIS IS THE DEMOCRATS'
PRESIDENT AND THAT THEY'RE

THIS IS THE DEMOCRATS'
PRESIDENT AND THAT THEY'RE
GOING TO HAVE TO PUT MORE OF

PRESIDENT AND THAT THEY'RE
GOING TO HAVE TO PUT MORE OF
THE NUMBERS ON THE BOARD TO GET

GOING TO HAVE TO PUT MORE OF
THE NUMBERS ON THE BOARD TO GET
THIS PASSED.

THE NUMBERS ON THE BOARD TO GET
THIS PASSED.
AS YOU'VE SEEN LIBERALS LIKE

THIS PASSED.
AS YOU'VE SEEN LIBERALS LIKE
THEY'RE ND OTHERS SAY

AS YOU'VE SEEN LIBERALS LIKE
THEY'RE ND OTHERS SAY
IT'S HARD TO SEE WHERE IT STAND

THEY'RE ND OTHERS SAY
IT'S HARD TO SEE WHERE IT STAND
TODAY THAT THE HOUSE IS GOING

IT'S HARD TO SEE WHERE IT STAND
TODAY THAT THE HOUSE IS GOING
TO HAVE THE VOTES TO GET TO.

TODAY THAT THE HOUSE IS GOING
TO HAVE THE VOTES TO GET TO.
AND THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO

TO HAVE THE VOTES TO GET TO.
AND THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO
HAVE TO MAKE SUCH AN

AND THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO
HAVE TO MAKE SUCH AN
OVERWHELMING CASE IN HIS

HAVE TO MAKE SUCH AN
OVERWHELMING CASE IN HIS
ADDRESS TO THE NATION THAT IT'S

OVERWHELMING CASE IN HIS
ADDRESS TO THE NATION THAT IT'S
GOING TO HAVE TO SWING A LOT OF

ADDRESS TO THE NATION THAT IT'S
GOING TO HAVE TO SWING A LOT OF
VOTES.

GOING TO HAVE TO SWING A LOT OF
VOTES.
GWEN: THE PRESIDENT KEEPS

VOTES.
GWEN: THE PRESIDENT KEEPS
SAYING HE IS MAKING AN

GWEN: THE PRESIDENT KEEPS
SAYING HE IS MAKING AN
OVERWHELMING CASE BUT OBVIOUSLY

SAYING HE IS MAKING AN
OVERWHELMING CASE BUT OBVIOUSLY
THE ARGUMENTS AGAINST AND FOR

OVERWHELMING CASE BUT OBVIOUSLY
THE ARGUMENTS AGAINST AND FOR
ARE BREAKING DOWN CLEARLY.

THE ARGUMENTS AGAINST AND FOR
ARE BREAKING DOWN CLEARLY.
WHAT ARE THE REASONS FOR THIS

ARE BREAKING DOWN CLEARLY.
WHAT ARE THE REASONS FOR THIS
DEBATE?

WHAT ARE THE REASONS FOR THIS
DEBATE?
WHY IS -- THIS SO UP IN THE

DEBATE?
WHY IS -- THIS SO UP IN THE
AIR?

WHY IS -- THIS SO UP IN THE
AIR?
>> I'VE GOT ABOUT 18 DIFFERENT

AIR?
>> I'VE GOT ABOUT 18 DIFFERENT
DISTINCT REASONS GIVEN TO NOT

>> I'VE GOT ABOUT 18 DIFFERENT
DISTINCT REASONS GIVEN TO NOT
DO IT.

DISTINCT REASONS GIVEN TO NOT
DO IT.
EVERYTHING FROM MEMBERS WHO

DO IT.
EVERYTHING FROM MEMBERS WHO
HAVE SAID WE NEED TO SPEND THIS

EVERYTHING FROM MEMBERS WHO
HAVE SAID WE NEED TO SPEND THIS
MONEY AT HOME.

HAVE SAID WE NEED TO SPEND THIS
MONEY AT HOME.
OTHERS HAVE SAID THIS WILL SET

MONEY AT HOME.
OTHERS HAVE SAID THIS WILL SET
OFF A CON THAT GRADUATION IN

OTHERS HAVE SAID THIS WILL SET
OFF A CON THAT GRADUATION IN
THE REGION.

OFF A CON THAT GRADUATION IN
THE REGION.
AND -- CON THAT GRADUATION IN

THE REGION.
AND -- CON THAT GRADUATION IN
THE REASON.

AND -- CON THAT GRADUATION IN
THE REASON.
I THINK THE BIGGEST HURDLE FOR

THE REASON.
I THINK THE BIGGEST HURDLE FOR
PHONES AND T, THE

I THINK THE BIGGEST HURDLE FOR
PHONES AND T, THE
EMAIL INBOXES ARE OVERFLOWING

PHONES AND T, THE
EMAIL INBOXES ARE OVERFLOWING
WITH PEOPLE SAYING TO NOT DO

EMAIL INBOXES ARE OVERFLOWING
WITH PEOPLE SAYING TO NOT DO
THIS.

WITH PEOPLE SAYING TO NOT DO
THIS.
I TALKED TO ONE OFFICE AND THE

THIS.
I TALKED TO ONE OFFICE AND THE
OTHER OFFICE I SAID IS RUNNING

I TALKED TO ONE OFFICE AND THE
OTHER OFFICE I SAID IS RUNNING
100 TO ONE.

OTHER OFFICE I SAID IS RUNNING
100 TO ONE.
HE SAID HERE IT'S RUNNING

100 TO ONE.
HE SAID HERE IT'S RUNNING
800-1.

HE SAID HERE IT'S RUNNING
800-1.
PEOPLE AGAINST.

800-1.
PEOPLE AGAINST.
WHY ARE THE AGAINST IN THE

PEOPLE AGAINST.
WHY ARE THE AGAINST IN THE
MAJORITY?

WHY ARE THE AGAINST IN THE
MAJORITY?
PEOPLE THINK IT'S

MAJORITY?
PEOPLE THINK IT'S
UNPREDICTABLE.

PEOPLE THINK IT'S
UNPREDICTABLE.
NO MATTER HOW MUCH THE

UNPREDICTABLE.
NO MATTER HOW MUCH THE
PRESIDENT TALKS ABOUT THIS

NO MATTER HOW MUCH THE
PRESIDENT TALKS ABOUT THIS
BEING A LIMITED TARGETED

PRESIDENT TALKS ABOUT THIS
BEING A LIMITED TARGETED
STRIKE, THEY THINK IRAN WILL

BEING A LIMITED TARGETED
STRIKE, THEY THINK IRAN WILL
END UP RESPONDING OR RUSSIA.

STRIKE, THEY THINK IRAN WILL
END UP RESPONDING OR RUSSIA.
THERE'S NOTHING THE LAWMAKERS

END UP RESPONDING OR RUSSIA.
THERE'S NOTHING THE LAWMAKERS
CAN GO BACK TO THEIR

THERE'S NOTHING THE LAWMAKERS
CAN GO BACK TO THEIR
CONSTITUENTS THAT WILL ALLAY

CAN GO BACK TO THEIR
CONSTITUENTS THAT WILL ALLAY
THEIR FIERCE.

CONSTITUENTS THAT WILL ALLAY
THEIR FIERCE.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET

THEIR FIERCE.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET
THEM TO FORGET THE FEARS,

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET
THEM TO FORGET THE FEARS,
THAT'S A BIG TASK.

THEM TO FORGET THE FEARS,
THAT'S A BIG TASK.
GWEN: ONE QUESTION PEOPLE HAVE

THAT'S A BIG TASK.
GWEN: ONE QUESTION PEOPLE HAVE
IS WHETHER THIS EVIDENCE IS

GWEN: ONE QUESTION PEOPLE HAVE
IS WHETHER THIS EVIDENCE IS
REAL.

IS WHETHER THIS EVIDENCE IS
REAL.
WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE THAT MAKES

REAL.
WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE THAT MAKES
THIS SUCH -- AND I GUESS JOHN

WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE THAT MAKES
THIS SUCH -- AND I GUESS JOHN
KERRY WANTS TO RETIRE THE TERM

THIS SUCH -- AND I GUESS JOHN
KERRY WANTS TO RETIRE THE TERM
"SLAM DUNK" BUT SO CERTAIN?

KERRY WANTS TO RETIRE THE TERM
"SLAM DUNK" BUT SO CERTAIN?
>> IN AN ODD WAY IT'S ALMOST

"SLAM DUNK" BUT SO CERTAIN?
>> IN AN ODD WAY IT'S ALMOST
THE REVERSE OF IRAQ.

>> IN AN ODD WAY IT'S ALMOST
THE REVERSE OF IRAQ.
IN IRAQ THE QUESTION WAS WERE

THE REVERSE OF IRAQ.
IN IRAQ THE QUESTION WAS WERE
THERE WEAPONS AND NOT WHO WOULD

IN IRAQ THE QUESTION WAS WERE
THERE WEAPONS AND NOT WHO WOULD
USE THEM IF THE WEAPONS ARE

THERE WEAPONS AND NOT WHO WOULD
USE THEM IF THE WEAPONS ARE
ACTUALLY THERE?

USE THEM IF THE WEAPONS ARE
ACTUALLY THERE?
HERE THERE'S NO DOUBT THERE

ACTUALLY THERE?
HERE THERE'S NO DOUBT THERE
WERE WEAPONS.

HERE THERE'S NO DOUBT THERE
WERE WEAPONS.
WE'VE SEEN THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF

WERE WEAPONS.
WE'VE SEEN THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF
PEOPLE WHO CLEARLY WERE

WE'VE SEEN THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF
PEOPLE WHO CLEARLY WERE
ASPHYXIATED IN CHEMICAL

PEOPLE WHO CLEARLY WERE
ASPHYXIATED IN CHEMICAL
ATTACKS.

ASPHYXIATED IN CHEMICAL
ATTACKS.
THE U.S. HAS EMERGED WITH

ATTACKS.
THE U.S. HAS EMERGED WITH
PHYSIOLOGICAL EVIDENCE.

THE U.S. HAS EMERGED WITH
PHYSIOLOGICAL EVIDENCE.
THE U.N. INSPECTORS HAVE NOT

PHYSIOLOGICAL EVIDENCE.
THE U.N. INSPECTORS HAVE NOT
YET FILMED THEIR EVIDENCE BUT

THE U.N. INSPECTORS HAVE NOT
YET FILMED THEIR EVIDENCE BUT
THE INDICATIONS ARE THEY HAVE

YET FILMED THEIR EVIDENCE BUT
THE INDICATIONS ARE THEY HAVE
THE SAME THING THAT THE U.S.

THE INDICATIONS ARE THEY HAVE
THE SAME THING THAT THE U.S.
HAS.

THE SAME THING THAT THE U.S.
HAS.
WHAT'S UNKNOWN IS WHO ACTUALLY

HAS.
WHAT'S UNKNOWN IS WHO ACTUALLY
USED IT AND THAT'S WHERE YOU

WHAT'S UNKNOWN IS WHO ACTUALLY
USED IT AND THAT'S WHERE YOU
HAVE TO DO THE DIGGING BECAUSE

USED IT AND THAT'S WHERE YOU
HAVE TO DO THE DIGGING BECAUSE
AS YOU LOOK AT THESE ATTACKS,

HAVE TO DO THE DIGGING BECAUSE
AS YOU LOOK AT THESE ATTACKS,
WHICH APPEAR TO HAVE USED SARIN

AS YOU LOOK AT THESE ATTACKS,
WHICH APPEAR TO HAVE USED SARIN
GAS, IT'S NOT A VERY EASY THING

WHICH APPEAR TO HAVE USED SARIN
GAS, IT'S NOT A VERY EASY THING
TO YOU.

GAS, IT'S NOT A VERY EASY THING
TO YOU.
THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO CAN

TO YOU.
THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO CAN
DO IT.

THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO CAN
DO IT.
THOSE ATTACKS IN TOKYO MORE

DO IT.
THOSE ATTACKS IN TOKYO MORE
THAN A DECADE AGO WERE SARIN

THOSE ATTACKS IN TOKYO MORE
THAN A DECADE AGO WERE SARIN
BUT IT REQUIRE AS LOT OF

THAN A DECADE AGO WERE SARIN
BUT IT REQUIRE AS LOT OF
PLANNING AND TRAINING AND IN

BUT IT REQUIRE AS LOT OF
PLANNING AND TRAINING AND IN
THIS CASE THEY WERE LAUNCHED ON

PLANNING AND TRAINING AND IN
THIS CASE THEY WERE LAUNCHED ON
ROCKETS AND THERE'S NO EVIDENCE

THIS CASE THEY WERE LAUNCHED ON
ROCKETS AND THERE'S NO EVIDENCE
AT ALL THAT THE GAS SUPPLIES

ROCKETS AND THERE'S NO EVIDENCE
AT ALL THAT THE GAS SUPPLIES
HAVE LEFT THE HANDS OF THE

AT ALL THAT THE GAS SUPPLIES
HAVE LEFT THE HANDS OF THE
GOVERNMENT.

HAVE LEFT THE HANDS OF THE
GOVERNMENT.
AND THEN THE U.S. SAYS THERE

GOVERNMENT.
AND THEN THE U.S. SAYS THERE
ARE INTERCEPTS, WHICH WE HAVE

AND THEN THE U.S. SAYS THERE
ARE INTERCEPTS, WHICH WE HAVE
NOT HEARD YET DIRECTLY SO WE

ARE INTERCEPTS, WHICH WE HAVE
NOT HEARD YET DIRECTLY SO WE
KIND OF TAKE THEIR WORD FOR IT

NOT HEARD YET DIRECTLY SO WE
KIND OF TAKE THEIR WORD FOR IT
OR NOT OF SYRIAN COMMANDERS

KIND OF TAKE THEIR WORD FOR IT
OR NOT OF SYRIAN COMMANDERS
PLANNING FOR THIS AND THEN

OR NOT OF SYRIAN COMMANDERS
PLANNING FOR THIS AND THEN
TALKING ABOUT THE EVENT AFTER

PLANNING FOR THIS AND THEN
TALKING ABOUT THE EVENT AFTER
THE FACT.

TALKING ABOUT THE EVENT AFTER
THE FACT.
GWEN: THE PRESIDENT HAS MADE

THE FACT.
GWEN: THE PRESIDENT HAS MADE
THE ARGUMENT THAT THE U.S. HAS

GWEN: THE PRESIDENT HAS MADE
THE ARGUMENT THAT THE U.S. HAS
SAID AND THE CONGRESS HAS SAID

THE ARGUMENT THAT THE U.S. HAS
SAID AND THE CONGRESS HAS SAID
IN 2003 THAT THIS IS A LINE

SAID AND THE CONGRESS HAS SAID
IN 2003 THAT THIS IS A LINE
THAT SHOULDN'T BE CROSSED, YET

IN 2003 THAT THIS IS A LINE
THAT SHOULDN'T BE CROSSED, YET
HE GETS ANNOYED WHEN HE'S ASKED

THAT SHOULDN'T BE CROSSED, YET
HE GETS ANNOYED WHEN HE'S ASKED
ABOUT HIS RED LINE.

HE GETS ANNOYED WHEN HE'S ASKED
ABOUT HIS RED LINE.
>> FIRST OF ALL, I DIDN'T SET A

ABOUT HIS RED LINE.
>> FIRST OF ALL, I DIDN'T SET A
RED LINE.

>> FIRST OF ALL, I DIDN'T SET A
RED LINE.
THE WORLD SET A RED LINE.

RED LINE.
THE WORLD SET A RED LINE.
THE WORLD SET A RED LINE WHEN

THE WORLD SET A RED LINE.
THE WORLD SET A RED LINE WHEN
GOVERNMENTS REPRESENTING 8% OF

THE WORLD SET A RED LINE WHEN
GOVERNMENTS REPRESENTING 8% OF
THE WORLD'S POPULATION SAID THE

GOVERNMENTS REPRESENTING 8% OF
THE WORLD'S POPULATION SAID THE
-- F CHEMICAL WEAPONS ARE

THE WORLD'S POPULATION SAID THE
-- F CHEMICAL WEAPONS ARE
ABHORRENT AND PASSED A TREATY

-- F CHEMICAL WEAPONS ARE
ABHORRENT AND PASSED A TREATY
FOR THEIR USE EVEN WHEN

ABHORRENT AND PASSED A TREATY
FOR THEIR USE EVEN WHEN
COUNTRIES ARE ENGAGED IN WAR.

FOR THEIR USE EVEN WHEN
COUNTRIES ARE ENGAGED IN WAR.
CONGRESS SET A RED LINE WHEN IT

COUNTRIES ARE ENGAGED IN WAR.
CONGRESS SET A RED LINE WHEN IT
RATIFYED THAT TREATY.

CONGRESS SET A RED LINE WHEN IT
RATIFYED THAT TREATY.
GWEN: HE DOESN'T LIKE THIS

RATIFYED THAT TREATY.
GWEN: HE DOESN'T LIKE THIS
QUESTION EITHER BUT THE

GWEN: HE DOESN'T LIKE THIS
QUESTION EITHER BUT THE
CREDIBILITY ISSUE, WHO SET THE

QUESTION EITHER BUT THE
CREDIBILITY ISSUE, WHO SET THE
RED LINE, WHETHER CONGRESS IS

CREDIBILITY ISSUE, WHO SET THE
RED LINE, WHETHER CONGRESS IS
CAPABLE OF FULFILLING ITS

RED LINE, WHETHER CONGRESS IS
CAPABLE OF FULFILLING ITS
PROMISES.

CAPABLE OF FULFILLING ITS
PROMISES.
IS THAT CONVERSATION HAPPENING

PROMISES.
IS THAT CONVERSATION HAPPENING
AT CAPITOL HILL AS WELL?

IS THAT CONVERSATION HAPPENING
AT CAPITOL HILL AS WELL?
>> I THINK SO.

AT CAPITOL HILL AS WELL?
>> I THINK SO.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD FROM

>> I THINK SO.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD FROM
LAWMAKERS THIS WEEK IN THE

ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD FROM
LAWMAKERS THIS WEEK IN THE
HEARINGS IS THAT THERE'S A LOT

LAWMAKERS THIS WEEK IN THE
HEARINGS IS THAT THERE'S A LOT
OF DOUBT ABOUT -- BECAUSE

HEARINGS IS THAT THERE'S A LOT
OF DOUBT ABOUT -- BECAUSE
THERE'S A PERCEPTION OF LACK OF

OF DOUBT ABOUT -- BECAUSE
THERE'S A PERCEPTION OF LACK OF
SUPPORT IN THE INTERNATIONAL

THERE'S A PERCEPTION OF LACK OF
SUPPORT IN THE INTERNATIONAL
COMMUNITY.

SUPPORT IN THE INTERNATIONAL
COMMUNITY.
IF THERE WAS MORE OF AN

COMMUNITY.
IF THERE WAS MORE OF AN
INTERNATIONAL RESPONSE IT WOULD

IF THERE WAS MORE OF AN
INTERNATIONAL RESPONSE IT WOULD
BE EASIER TO MAKE THE CASE TO

INTERNATIONAL RESPONSE IT WOULD
BE EASIER TO MAKE THE CASE TO
CONGRESS.

BE EASIER TO MAKE THE CASE TO
CONGRESS.
THERE'SEN THE ARLINGTON -- AN

CONGRESS.
THERE'SEN THE ARLINGTON -- AN
ARGUMENT THAT THE IMMEDIATE

THERE'SEN THE ARLINGTON -- AN
ARGUMENT THAT THE IMMEDIATE
UNITED STATES NATIONAL SECURITY

ARGUMENT THAT THE IMMEDIATE
UNITED STATES NATIONAL SECURITY
INTERESTS ARE THREATEN END AT

UNITED STATES NATIONAL SECURITY
INTERESTS ARE THREATEN END AT
THIS POINT.

INTERESTS ARE THREATEN END AT
THIS POINT.
THAT IS NOT ONLY A HARD SELL

THIS POINT.
THAT IS NOT ONLY A HARD SELL
FOR LAWMAKERS TO THEIR CON

THAT IS NOT ONLY A HARD SELL
FOR LAWMAKERS TO THEIR CON
INSTEAD OF WENT BUT THEY DON'T

FOR LAWMAKERS TO THEIR CON
INSTEAD OF WENT BUT THEY DON'T
NECESSARILY BELIEVE IT.

INSTEAD OF WENT BUT THEY DON'T
NECESSARILY BELIEVE IT.
BE THE WE DO ACT THERE'S THE

NECESSARILY BELIEVE IT.
BE THE WE DO ACT THERE'S THE
NKNOWN QUANTITY OF IF WE REACT

BE THE WE DO ACT THERE'S THE
NKNOWN QUANTITY OF IF WE REACT
AND PEOPLE DO RESPOND?

NKNOWN QUANTITY OF IF WE REACT
AND PEOPLE DO RESPOND?
AND THAT SCARES LAWMAKERS.

AND PEOPLE DO RESPOND?
AND THAT SCARES LAWMAKERS.
>> YES, THE WORLD SET A RED

AND THAT SCARES LAWMAKERS.
>> YES, THE WORLD SET A RED
LINE IN 1925 AND AGAIN IN THE

>> YES, THE WORLD SET A RED
LINE IN 1925 AND AGAIN IN THE
1970'S BUT THE U.S. HAS IGNORED

LINE IN 1925 AND AGAIN IN THE
1970'S BUT THE U.S. HAS IGNORED
OTHER CHEMICAL WEAPONS ATTACKS,

1970'S BUT THE U.S. HAS IGNORED
OTHER CHEMICAL WEAPONS ATTACKS,
INCLUDING DURING THE IRAN-IRAQ

OTHER CHEMICAL WEAPONS ATTACKS,
INCLUDING DURING THE IRAN-IRAQ
WAR.

INCLUDING DURING THE IRAN-IRAQ
WAR.
THEN THE PRESIDENT SET A RED

WAR.
THEN THE PRESIDENT SET A RED
LINE AND HE SET IT CLEARLY AND

THEN THE PRESIDENT SET A RED
LINE AND HE SET IT CLEARLY AND
SAID PRETTY CLEARLY WHAT THE

LINE AND HE SET IT CLEARLY AND
SAID PRETTY CLEARLY WHAT THE
CONSEQUENCES WOULD BE.

SAID PRETTY CLEARLY WHAT THE
CONSEQUENCES WOULD BE.
SO WHILE THE WORLD SAID IT THEN

CONSEQUENCES WOULD BE.
SO WHILE THE WORLD SAID IT THEN
BARACK OBAMA ADOPTED IT.

SO WHILE THE WORLD SAID IT THEN
BARACK OBAMA ADOPTED IT.
YOU CAN SAY IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE

BARACK OBAMA ADOPTED IT.
YOU CAN SAY IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE
WHY HE DID.

YOU CAN SAY IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE
WHY HE DID.
HE TAKES WEAPONS OF MASS

WHY HE DID.
HE TAKES WEAPONS OF MASS
DESTRUCTION SERIOUSLY.

HE TAKES WEAPONS OF MASS
DESTRUCTION SERIOUSLY.
HE GOT ELECTED ON THE THOUGHT

DESTRUCTION SERIOUSLY.
HE GOT ELECTED ON THE THOUGHT
OF BRINGING DOWN AMERICA'S

HE GOT ELECTED ON THE THOUGHT
OF BRINGING DOWN AMERICA'S
NUCLEAR STOCKPILES.

OF BRINGING DOWN AMERICA'S
NUCLEAR STOCKPILES.
WE HAVE JUST GOTTEN RID OF

NUCLEAR STOCKPILES.
WE HAVE JUST GOTTEN RID OF
AMERICA'S CHEMICAL STOCKPILES

WE HAVE JUST GOTTEN RID OF
AMERICA'S CHEMICAL STOCKPILES
BUT IT'S TAKEN 14 OR 15 YEARS

AMERICA'S CHEMICAL STOCKPILES
BUT IT'S TAKEN 14 OR 15 YEARS
AND IT'S NOT DONE YET.

BUT IT'S TAKEN 14 OR 15 YEARS
AND IT'S NOT DONE YET.
THE SECOND POINT IS WHAT ED

AND IT'S NOT DONE YET.
THE SECOND POINT IS WHAT ED
RAISED ABOUT THE IMMEDIATE

THE SECOND POINT IS WHAT ED
RAISED ABOUT THE IMMEDIATE
NATIONAL SECURITY INTERESTS AND

RAISED ABOUT THE IMMEDIATE
NATIONAL SECURITY INTERESTS AND
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS ASSAD

NATIONAL SECURITY INTERESTS AND
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS ASSAD
CAN'T REACH THE UNITED STATES.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS ASSAD
CAN'T REACH THE UNITED STATES.
HE DOESN'T HAVE THE MISSILES

CAN'T REACH THE UNITED STATES.
HE DOESN'T HAVE THE MISSILES
THAT CAN REACH THE U.S.

HE DOESN'T HAVE THE MISSILES
THAT CAN REACH THE U.S.
CHEMICAL WEAPONS ARE NOT

THAT CAN REACH THE U.S.
CHEMICAL WEAPONS ARE NOT
SOMETHING THAT POSE AN

CHEMICAL WEAPONS ARE NOT
SOMETHING THAT POSE AN
EXISTENTIAL THREAT THE WAY

SOMETHING THAT POSE AN
EXISTENTIAL THREAT THE WAY
NUCLEAR WEAPONS DO, BUT HE CAN

EXISTENTIAL THREAT THE WAY
NUCLEAR WEAPONS DO, BUT HE CAN
REACH AMERICAN ALLIES AND IF

NUCLEAR WEAPONS DO, BUT HE CAN
REACH AMERICAN ALLIES AND IF
THE COUNTRY IMPLODES, WHICH IT

REACH AMERICAN ALLIES AND IF
THE COUNTRY IMPLODES, WHICH IT
MAY DO EVEN IF THE U.S. DOESN'T

THE COUNTRY IMPLODES, WHICH IT
MAY DO EVEN IF THE U.S. DOESN'T
INTERCEDE AND THOSE WEAPONS GET

MAY DO EVEN IF THE U.S. DOESN'T
INTERCEDE AND THOSE WEAPONS GET
LOOSE, THEN THERE'S THE

INTERCEDE AND THOSE WEAPONS GET
LOOSE, THEN THERE'S THE
QUESTION OF WHETHER THEY'LL --

LOOSE, THEN THERE'S THE
QUESTION OF WHETHER THEY'LL --
WHERE THEY'LL TURN IT ELSEWHERE

QUESTION OF WHETHER THEY'LL --
WHERE THEY'LL TURN IT ELSEWHERE
IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

WHERE THEY'LL TURN IT ELSEWHERE
IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
>> THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE

IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
>> THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE
NORM AGAINST THE USE OF

>> THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE
NORM AGAINST THE USE OF
CHEMICAL WEAPONS.

NORM AGAINST THE USE OF
CHEMICAL WEAPONS.
IT'S A WORD THAT I WONDER HOW

CHEMICAL WEAPONS.
IT'S A WORD THAT I WONDER HOW
MUCH PUFFS THAT HAS IN THE REAL

IT'S A WORD THAT I WONDER HOW
MUCH PUFFS THAT HAS IN THE REAL
WORLD.

MUCH PUFFS THAT HAS IN THE REAL
WORLD.
IF THE USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS

WORLD.
IF THE USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS
IS NOT STOPPED, THE WHOLE FEAR

IF THE USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS
IS NOT STOPPED, THE WHOLE FEAR
OF HANDLING OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS

IS NOT STOPPED, THE WHOLE FEAR
OF HANDLING OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS
GET LOOSER.

OF HANDLING OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS
GET LOOSER.
THAT I START TO FLOAT AROUND

GET LOOSER.
THAT I START TO FLOAT AROUND
AND OFFICIALS HAVE INTIMATED

THAT I START TO FLOAT AROUND
AND OFFICIALS HAVE INTIMATED
THEY COULD COME HERE.

AND OFFICIALS HAVE INTIMATED
THEY COULD COME HERE.
THAT'S A VERY CHARGE AND

THEY COULD COME HERE.
THAT'S A VERY CHARGE AND
EMOTIONAL ARGUMENT AND IT'S

THAT'S A VERY CHARGE AND
EMOTIONAL ARGUMENT AND IT'S
ALSO A STRETCH.

EMOTIONAL ARGUMENT AND IT'S
ALSO A STRETCH.
IT'S A BANK SHOT, HOW IT

ALSO A STRETCH.
IT'S A BANK SHOT, HOW IT
DIRECTLY AFFECTS THE SAFETY OF

IT'S A BANK SHOT, HOW IT
DIRECTLY AFFECTS THE SAFETY OF
THE SECURITY OFMERICANS.

DIRECTLY AFFECTS THE SAFETY OF
THE SECURITY OFMERICANS.
WE SAW IN THE RUN-UP TO THE

THE SECURITY OFMERICANS.
WE SAW IN THE RUN-UP TO THE
IRAQ WAR A LOT OF THIS ARGUE

WE SAW IN THE RUN-UP TO THE
IRAQ WAR A LOT OF THIS ARGUE
MEN STATION WHICH FELT LIKE A

IRAQ WAR A LOT OF THIS ARGUE
MEN STATION WHICH FELT LIKE A
STRETCH AND THEN IN THE END

MEN STATION WHICH FELT LIKE A
STRETCH AND THEN IN THE END
WHEN THE EVIDENCE WASN'T THERE

STRETCH AND THEN IN THE END
WHEN THE EVIDENCE WASN'T THERE
REALLY FELT LIKE A STRETCH.

WHEN THE EVIDENCE WASN'T THERE
REALLY FELT LIKE A STRETCH.
>> LET'S FACE IT, MOVING

REALLY FELT LIKE A STRETCH.
>> LET'S FACE IT, MOVING
CHEMICAL WEAPONS IS NOT EASY.

>> LET'S FACE IT, MOVING
CHEMICAL WEAPONS IS NOT EASY.
IT'S EASIER IN A WAY TO MOVE

CHEMICAL WEAPONS IS NOT EASY.
IT'S EASIER IN A WAY TO MOVE
SMALL NUCLEAR WEAPONS THAN IT

IT'S EASIER IN A WAY TO MOVE
SMALL NUCLEAR WEAPONS THAN IT
IS CHEMICAL.

SMALL NUCLEAR WEAPONS THAN IT
IS CHEMICAL.
GWEN: THAT'THES GRANOLA OF

IS CHEMICAL.
GWEN: THAT'THES GRANOLA OF
THIS ARGUMENT.

GWEN: THAT'THES GRANOLA OF
THIS ARGUMENT.
BUT HOW MUCH OF THIS IS

THIS ARGUMENT.
BUT HOW MUCH OF THIS IS
POLITICS?

BUT HOW MUCH OF THIS IS
POLITICS?
>> I THINK THE MOST FASCINATING

POLITICS?
>> I THINK THE MOST FASCINATING
THING IS HOW SUDDENLY LAWMAKERS

>> I THINK THE MOST FASCINATING
THING IS HOW SUDDENLY LAWMAKERS
ARE LOOKING AT THEIR CALL

THING IS HOW SUDDENLY LAWMAKERS
ARE LOOKING AT THEIR CALL
SHEETS EVERY MORNING.

ARE LOOKING AT THEIR CALL
SHEETS EVERY MORNING.
AND YOU ALLUDED TO THIS JOHN.

SHEETS EVERY MORNING.
AND YOU ALLUDED TO THIS JOHN.
JOHN CULBERSON, REPUBLICAN FROM

AND YOU ALLUDED TO THIS JOHN.
JOHN CULBERSON, REPUBLICAN FROM
THE HOUSTON AREA CAME OUT OF A

JOHN CULBERSON, REPUBLICAN FROM
THE HOUSTON AREA CAME OUT OF A
CLOSE -- CLOSINGED DOOR

THE HOUSTON AREA CAME OUT OF A
CLOSE -- CLOSINGED DOOR
BRIEFING YESTERDAY AND HE SAID

CLOSE -- CLOSINGED DOOR
BRIEFING YESTERDAY AND HE SAID
96% OF THE CALLS AND EMAILS

BRIEFING YESTERDAY AND HE SAID
96% OF THE CALLS AND EMAILS
I'VE GOTTEN ARE OPPOSED TO

96% OF THE CALLS AND EMAILS
I'VE GOTTEN ARE OPPOSED TO
GOING INTO SYRIA.

I'VE GOTTEN ARE OPPOSED TO
GOING INTO SYRIA.
HE SAID I CAN'T THINK OF 96%

GOING INTO SYRIA.
HE SAID I CAN'T THINK OF 96%
AGREEMENT ON ANYTHING.

HE SAID I CAN'T THINK OF 96%
AGREEMENT ON ANYTHING.
REPUBLICAN FROM SOUTH DAKOTA,

AGREEMENT ON ANYTHING.
REPUBLICAN FROM SOUTH DAKOTA,
854 CALLS OR EMAILSES OPPOSED

REPUBLICAN FROM SOUTH DAKOTA,
854 CALLS OR EMAILSES OPPOSED
TO IN SUPPORT OF MILITARY

854 CALLS OR EMAILSES OPPOSED
TO IN SUPPORT OF MILITARY
ACTION.

TO IN SUPPORT OF MILITARY
ACTION.
BERN EARN -- BERNIE SANDERS IN

ACTION.
BERN EARN -- BERNIE SANDERS IN
VERMONT, FAMOUS LIBERAL.

BERN EARN -- BERNIE SANDERS IN
VERMONT, FAMOUS LIBERAL.
-- THIS IS THE FUNNY ONE.

VERMONT, FAMOUS LIBERAL.
-- THIS IS THE FUNNY ONE.
488 PHONE CALLS, 10 IN SUPPORT.

-- THIS IS THE FUNNY ONE.
488 PHONE CALLS, 10 IN SUPPORT.
GWEN: HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE CALL

488 PHONE CALLS, 10 IN SUPPORT.
GWEN: HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE CALL
SEXBLESD IT'S A GOOD THING?

GWEN: HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE CALL
SEXBLESD IT'S A GOOD THING?
>> VERY FEW.

SEXBLESD IT'S A GOOD THING?
>> VERY FEW.
>> HERE'S THE TOUGH POINT.

>> VERY FEW.
>> HERE'S THE TOUGH POINT.
AND THE PRESIDENT, I'M GOING TO

>> HERE'S THE TOUGH POINT.
AND THE PRESIDENT, I'M GOING TO
SUMMARIZE HIS REMARKS.

AND THE PRESIDENT, I'M GOING TO
SUMMARIZE HIS REMARKS.
HE SAID IT'S NOT ALWAYS OUR

SUMMARIZE HIS REMARKS.
HE SAID IT'S NOT ALWAYS OUR
JOBS TO VOTE FOR THE MOST

HE SAID IT'S NOT ALWAYS OUR
JOBS TO VOTE FOR THE MOST
POPULAR THINGS.

JOBS TO VOTE FOR THE MOST
POPULAR THINGS.
WAS TRYING TO APPEAL TO

POPULAR THINGS.
WAS TRYING TO APPEAL TO
MORALITY AND DECENCY, WHICH I

WAS TRYING TO APPEAL TO
MORALITY AND DECENCY, WHICH I
THINK WAS A HUGE PART OF THE

MORALITY AND DECENCY, WHICH I
THINK WAS A HUGE PART OF THE
MESSAGE OF JOHN KERRY'S ADDRESS

THINK WAS A HUGE PART OF THE
MESSAGE OF JOHN KERRY'S ADDRESS
ON CAPITOL HILL.

MESSAGE OF JOHN KERRY'S ADDRESS
ON CAPITOL HILL.
I'M NOT SURE IT'S THE MOST

ON CAPITOL HILL.
I'M NOT SURE IT'S THE MOST
EFFECTIVE.

I'M NOT SURE IT'S THE MOST
EFFECTIVE.
THIS IS A WHITE HOUSE THAT HAS

EFFECTIVE.
THIS IS A WHITE HOUSE THAT HAS
HAD REALLY BAD RHYTHMS WITH

THIS IS A WHITE HOUSE THAT HAS
HAD REALLY BAD RHYTHMS WITH
CAPITOL HILL.

HAD REALLY BAD RHYTHMS WITH
CAPITOL HILL.
THEY DON'T HAVE A RESERVOIR OF

CAPITOL HILL.
THEY DON'T HAVE A RESERVOIR OF
POLITICAL GOOD WILL OF STRONG

THEY DON'T HAVE A RESERVOIR OF
POLITICAL GOOD WILL OF STRONG
OR TRUST RHYTHMS.

POLITICAL GOOD WILL OF STRONG
OR TRUST RHYTHMS.
THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO MOST

OR TRUST RHYTHMS.
THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO MOST
RECENTLY HAS SAID I DON'T NEED

THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO MOST
RECENTLY HAS SAID I DON'T NEED
CONGRESS AND NOW IS TRYING TO

RECENTLY HAS SAID I DON'T NEED
CONGRESS AND NOW IS TRYING TO
CORRAL THEM.

CONGRESS AND NOW IS TRYING TO
CORRAL THEM.
GWEN: THERE'S ALSO A MORAL

CORRAL THEM.
GWEN: THERE'S ALSO A MORAL
ARGUMENT THAT CONGRESS DOESN'T

GWEN: THERE'S ALSO A MORAL
ARGUMENT THAT CONGRESS DOESN'T
HAVE A MORALE THAT STICKS.

ARGUMENT THAT CONGRESS DOESN'T
HAVE A MORALE THAT STICKS.
NOT ONLY FROM IRAQ BUT THE

HAVE A MORALE THAT STICKS.
NOT ONLY FROM IRAQ BUT THE
PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION.

NOT ONLY FROM IRAQ BUT THE
PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION.
LET'S LISTEN TO WHAT THE

PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION.
LET'S LISTEN TO WHAT THE
PRESIDENT SAID IN HIS FARE WELL

LET'S LISTEN TO WHAT THE
PRESIDENT SAID IN HIS FARE WELL
ADDRESS IN ST. PIERCE BURG.

PRESIDENT SAID IN HIS FARE WELL
ADDRESS IN ST. PIERCE BURG.
>> WHEN PEOPLE SAY IT IS A

ADDRESS IN ST. PIERCE BURG.
>> WHEN PEOPLE SAY IT IS A
TERRIBLE STAIN ON ALL OF US

>> WHEN PEOPLE SAY IT IS A
TERRIBLE STAIN ON ALL OF US
THAT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF

TERRIBLE STAIN ON ALL OF US
THAT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE WERE SLAUGHTERED IN

THAT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE WERE SLAUGHTERED IN
RWANDA.

PEOPLE WERE SLAUGHTERED IN
RWANDA.
IMAGINE IF RWANDA WAS GOING ON

RWANDA.
IMAGINE IF RWANDA WAS GOING ON
RIGHT NOW AND WE ASKED SHOULD

IMAGINE IF RWANDA WAS GOING ON
RIGHT NOW AND WE ASKED SHOULD
WE INTERVENE IN A WANDE?

RIGHT NOW AND WE ASKED SHOULD
WE INTERVENE IN A WANDE?
-- RWANDNDND

WE INTERVENE IN A WANDE?
-- RWANDNDND
I THINK IT'S FAIR TOIT PROBABLY

-- RWANDNDND
I THINK IT'S FAIR TOIT PROBABLY
GWEN: THAT'S AN INTERESTING

I THINK IT'S FAIR TOIT PROBABLY
GWEN: THAT'S AN INTERESTING
CONNECTION, BETWEEN THE MORAL

GWEN: THAT'S AN INTERESTING
CONNECTION, BETWEEN THE MORAL
ARGUMENT AND THE POLLING

CONNECTION, BETWEEN THE MORAL
ARGUMENT AND THE POLLING
ARGUMENT.

ARGUMENT AND THE POLLING
ARGUMENT.
>> HE IS BUT IT'S AN

ARGUMENT.
>> HE IS BUT IT'S AN
INTERESTING ARGUMENT FROM

>> HE IS BUT IT'S AN
INTERESTING ARGUMENT FROM
BARACK OBAMA BECAUSE 100,000

INTERESTING ARGUMENT FROM
BARACK OBAMA BECAUSE 100,000
PEOPLE DIED IN SYRIA FROM

BARACK OBAMA BECAUSE 100,000
PEOPLE DIED IN SYRIA FROM
CONVENTIONAL CAUSES JUST OF

PEOPLE DIED IN SYRIA FROM
CONVENTIONAL CAUSES JUST OF
ORDINARY CIVIL WAR AND HE WAS

CONVENTIONAL CAUSES JUST OF
ORDINARY CIVIL WAR AND HE WAS
LEADING A GROUP WITHIN THE

ORDINARY CIVIL WAR AND HE WAS
LEADING A GROUP WITHIN THE
ADMINISTRATION SAYING THERE'S

LEADING A GROUP WITHIN THE
ADMINISTRATION SAYING THERE'S
NO WAY TO AFFECT THE OUTCOME OF

ADMINISTRATION SAYING THERE'S
NO WAY TO AFFECT THE OUTCOME OF
THE GROUND AND YOU DON'T GO IN

NO WAY TO AFFECT THE OUTCOME OF
THE GROUND AND YOU DON'T GO IN
UNLESS OFF PLAN THAT WILL

THE GROUND AND YOU DON'T GO IN
UNLESS OFF PLAN THAT WILL
ACTUALLY AFFECT THE OUTCOME ON

UNLESS OFF PLAN THAT WILL
ACTUALLY AFFECT THE OUTCOME ON
GROUND.

ACTUALLY AFFECT THE OUTCOME ON
GROUND.
HEN 1,000 PEOPLE, 1,4 OH, --

GROUND.
HEN 1,000 PEOPLE, 1,4 OH, --
1,400 IF YOU BELIEVE THE

HEN 1,000 PEOPLE, 1,4 OH, --
1,400 IF YOU BELIEVE THE
ADMINISTRATION, 350 IN SOME OF

1,400 IF YOU BELIEVE THE
ADMINISTRATION, 350 IN SOME OF
THE INTERNATIONAL INTELLIGENCE

ADMINISTRATION, 350 IN SOME OF
THE INTERNATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
REPORTS GET KILLED BY CHEMICAL

THE INTERNATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
REPORTS GET KILLED BY CHEMICAL
WEAPONS.

REPORTS GET KILLED BY CHEMICAL
WEAPONS.
THIS IS THE GREAT STRATEGIC

WEAPONS.
THIS IS THE GREAT STRATEGIC
DISCONNECT IN HIS ARGUMENT

THIS IS THE GREAT STRATEGIC
DISCONNECT IN HIS ARGUMENT
BECAUSE HE KEEPS SAYING THIS IS

DISCONNECT IN HIS ARGUMENT
BECAUSE HE KEEPS SAYING THIS IS
A LIMITED STRIKE, A DAY OR TWO

BECAUSE HE KEEPS SAYING THIS IS
A LIMITED STRIKE, A DAY OR TWO
TO TEACH A LESSON -- A SHOT

A LIMITED STRIKE, A DAY OR TWO
TO TEACH A LESSON -- A SHOT
ACROSS THE BOW I THINK HE SAID

TO TEACH A LESSON -- A SHOT
ACROSS THE BOW I THINK HE SAID
TO ASOD.

ACROSS THE BOW I THINK HE SAID
TO ASOD.
AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU'RE

TO ASOD.
AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU'RE
HEARING FROM CONGRESS I THINK

AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU'RE
HEARING FROM CONGRESS I THINK
FROM PEOPLE WHO WOULD OTHERWISE

HEARING FROM CONGRESS I THINK
FROM PEOPLE WHO WOULD OTHERWISE
I THINK BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT

FROM PEOPLE WHO WOULD OTHERWISE
I THINK BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT
HIM, TELL ME WHAT HAPPENS THE

I THINK BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT
HIM, TELL ME WHAT HAPPENS THE
DAY AFTER?

HIM, TELL ME WHAT HAPPENS THE
DAY AFTER?
GWEN: THERE'S A REAL SLIPPERY

DAY AFTER?
GWEN: THERE'S A REAL SLIPPERY
SLOPE THING GOING ON.

GWEN: THERE'S A REAL SLIPPERY
SLOPE THING GOING ON.
>> IT'S THE SLIPPERY SLOPE AND

SLOPE THING GOING ON.
>> IT'S THE SLIPPERY SLOPE AND
THE DISCONNECT.

>> IT'S THE SLIPPERY SLOPE AND
THE DISCONNECT.
HE SAYS ON THE ONE HAND HE

THE DISCONNECT.
HE SAYS ON THE ONE HAND HE
WANTS ASSAD TO BE OUT BUT THE

HE SAYS ON THE ONE HAND HE
WANTS ASSAD TO BE OUT BUT THE
OTHER IS THIS WILL HAVE NO

WANTS ASSAD TO BE OUT BUT THE
OTHER IS THIS WILL HAVE NO
CONNECTION TO THAT PREVIOUS

OTHER IS THIS WILL HAVE NO
CONNECTION TO THAT PREVIOUS
STRATEGY.

CONNECTION TO THAT PREVIOUS
STRATEGY.
GWEN: THIS IS NOT ABOUT REGIME

STRATEGY.
GWEN: THIS IS NOT ABOUT REGIME
CHANGE UNLESS WHEN IT IS, WHEN

GWEN: THIS IS NOT ABOUT REGIME
CHANGE UNLESS WHEN IT IS, WHEN
JOHN MCCAIN SAYS IT IS.

CHANGE UNLESS WHEN IT IS, WHEN
JOHN MCCAIN SAYS IT IS.
>> WE SAW ON THE VOTE IN THE

JOHN MCCAIN SAYS IT IS.
>> WE SAW ON THE VOTE IN THE
COMMUNITY OF FOREIGN RELATIONS

>> WE SAW ON THE VOTE IN THE
COMMUNITY OF FOREIGN RELATIONS
IN THE SENATE JOHN MCCAIN BALL

COMMUNITY OF FOREIGN RELATIONS
IN THE SENATE JOHN MCCAIN BALL
COULD AT THE AUTHORIZATION

IN THE SENATE JOHN MCCAIN BALL
COULD AT THE AUTHORIZATION
EVER,000 LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT

COULD AT THE AUTHORIZATION
EVER,000 LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT
WASN'T STRONG ENOUGH SO THEY

EVER,000 LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT
WASN'T STRONG ENOUGH SO THEY
TWEENGED IT.

WASN'T STRONG ENOUGH SO THEY
TWEENGED IT.
THAT THIS ATTACK IS GOING TO

TWEENGED IT.
THAT THIS ATTACK IS GOING TO
DEGRADE THE SYRIAN ABILITY.

THAT THIS ATTACK IS GOING TO
DEGRADE THE SYRIAN ABILITY.
THAT'S DIFFERENT.

DEGRADE THE SYRIAN ABILITY.
THAT'S DIFFERENT.
THAT MEANS AFFECT MORE THINGS

THAT'S DIFFERENT.
THAT MEANS AFFECT MORE THINGS
AND MAYBE TIP THE BALANCE OF

THAT MEANS AFFECT MORE THINGS
AND MAYBE TIP THE BALANCE OF
POWER.

AND MAYBE TIP THE BALANCE OF
POWER.
WHAT WE SEE IS THIS COMMITTEE

POWER.
WHAT WE SEE IS THIS COMMITTEE
ON FOREIGN RELATIONS IS THE

WHAT WE SEE IS THIS COMMITTEE
ON FOREIGN RELATIONS IS THE
SLIPLY SLOPE.

ON FOREIGN RELATIONS IS THE
SLIPLY SLOPE.
IT NEEDS TO GET MORE AGGRESSIVE

SLIPLY SLOPE.
IT NEEDS TO GET MORE AGGRESSIVE
TO BUY JOHN MCCAIN OFF.

IT NEEDS TO GET MORE AGGRESSIVE
TO BUY JOHN MCCAIN OFF.
GWEN: YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO

TO BUY JOHN MCCAIN OFF.
GWEN: YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO
THIS PIECE OF SOUND FROM JOHN

GWEN: YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO
THIS PIECE OF SOUND FROM JOHN
KERRY DURING THAT HEARING,

THIS PIECE OF SOUND FROM JOHN
KERRY DURING THAT HEARING,
SPEAKING OF SLIPPERY SLOPE,

KERRY DURING THAT HEARING,
SPEAKING OF SLIPPERY SLOPE,
WHEN YOU STALK TO -- TALK ABOUT

SPEAKING OF SLIPPERY SLOPE,
WHEN YOU STALK TO -- TALK ABOUT
EXACTLY HOW FAR YOU'LL GO.

WHEN YOU STALK TO -- TALK ABOUT
EXACTLY HOW FAR YOU'LL GO.
LET'S LISTEN.

EXACTLY HOW FAR YOU'LL GO.
LET'S LISTEN.
>> IN THE EVENT SYRIA IMPLODED,

LET'S LISTEN.
>> IN THE EVENT SYRIA IMPLODED,
FOR INSTANCE, OR IN THE EVENT

>> IN THE EVENT SYRIA IMPLODED,
FOR INSTANCE, OR IN THE EVENT
HERE WAS A THREAT OF A

FOR INSTANCE, OR IN THE EVENT
HERE WAS A THREAT OF A
CHEMICAL WEAPONS CACHE FALLING

HERE WAS A THREAT OF A
CHEMICAL WEAPONS CACHE FALLING
SOMEONE, I S OF

CHEMICAL WEAPONS CACHE FALLING
SOMEONE, I S OF
DON'T WANT TO TAKE OFF THE

SOMEONE, I S OF
DON'T WANT TO TAKE OFF THE
TABLE AN OPTION THAT MIGHT OR

DON'T WANT TO TAKE OFF THE
TABLE AN OPTION THAT MIGHT OR
MIGHT NOT BE AVAILABLE TO THE

TABLE AN OPTION THAT MIGHT OR
MIGHT NOT BE AVAILABLE TO THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

MIGHT NOT BE AVAILABLE TO THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
TO SECURE OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE I

PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
TO SECURE OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE I
DON'T WANT ANYTHING COMING OUT

TO SECURE OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE I
DON'T WANT ANYTHING COMING OUT
OF THIS HEARING THAT LEAVES ANY

DON'T WANT ANYTHING COMING OUT
OF THIS HEARING THAT LEAVES ANY
DOOR OPEN TO ANY POSSIBILITY SO

OF THIS HEARING THAT LEAVES ANY
DOOR OPEN TO ANY POSSIBILITY SO
LET'S SHUT THAT DOOR NOW AS

DOOR OPEN TO ANY POSSIBILITY SO
LET'S SHUT THAT DOOR NOW AS
TIGHT AS WE CAN.

LET'S SHUT THAT DOOR NOW AS
TIGHT AS WE CAN.
GWEN: FIRST HE OPENED THE DOOR

TIGHT AS WE CAN.
GWEN: FIRST HE OPENED THE DOOR
AND SHUT IT AGAIN.

GWEN: FIRST HE OPENED THE DOOR
AND SHUT IT AGAIN.
>> THE COMMITTEE SHUT IT FOR

AND SHUT IT AGAIN.
>> THE COMMITTEE SHUT IT FOR
HIM RIGHT AFTER THAT.

>> THE COMMITTEE SHUT IT FOR
HIM RIGHT AFTER THAT.
THE RESOLUTION THEY ENDED UP

HIM RIGHT AFTER THAT.
THE RESOLUTION THEY ENDED UP
PASSING AND I THINK IT WAS

THE RESOLUTION THEY ENDED UP
PASSING AND I THINK IT WAS
COMPELED IN PART OF WHAT HE

PASSING AND I THINK IT WAS
COMPELED IN PART OF WHAT HE
SAID IN THAT HEARING WAS NO

COMPELED IN PART OF WHAT HE
SAID IN THAT HEARING WAS NO
U.S. COMBAT TROOPS, MAYBE A

SAID IN THAT HEARING WAS NO
U.S. COMBAT TROOPS, MAYBE A
RESCUE MISSION IF YOU HAD TO

U.S. COMBAT TROOPS, MAYBE A
RESCUE MISSION IF YOU HAD TO
BUT THAT'S IT.

RESCUE MISSION IF YOU HAD TO
BUT THAT'S IT.
IN EXPANDING THE LANGUAGE,

BUT THAT'S IT.
IN EXPANDING THE LANGUAGE,
YOU'VE PROBABLY COST THE SENATE

IN EXPANDING THE LANGUAGE,
YOU'VE PROBABLY COST THE SENATE
MAYBE 10 DEMOCRATIC VOTES.

YOU'VE PROBABLY COST THE SENATE
MAYBE 10 DEMOCRATIC VOTES.
THEY'VE LOST TOM YOU DAHL,

MAYBE 10 DEMOCRATIC VOTES.
THEY'VE LOST TOM YOU DAHL,
CHRIS

THEY'VE LOST TOM YOU DAHL,
CHRIS
-- TOM YOU DAL, CHRIS MURPHY.

CHRIS
-- TOM YOU DAL, CHRIS MURPHY.
>> I THINK THAT ONE OF THE

-- TOM YOU DAL, CHRIS MURPHY.
>> I THINK THAT ONE OF THE
THINGS IMPORTANT IN THIS IS THE

>> I THINK THAT ONE OF THE
THINGS IMPORTANT IN THIS IS THE
PERCEPTION AMONG LAWMAKERS TOO

THINGS IMPORTANT IN THIS IS THE
PERCEPTION AMONG LAWMAKERS TOO
THAT THE PENTAGON IS VERY

PERCEPTION AMONG LAWMAKERS TOO
THAT THE PENTAGON IS VERY
LUKEWARM ABOUT THIS MISSION.

THAT THE PENTAGON IS VERY
LUKEWARM ABOUT THIS MISSION.
THERE'S A PERCEPTION THIS IS

LUKEWARM ABOUT THIS MISSION.
THERE'S A PERCEPTION THIS IS
NOT SOMETHING THAT THE PENTAGON

THERE'S A PERCEPTION THIS IS
NOT SOMETHING THAT THE PENTAGON
IS ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN,

NOT SOMETHING THAT THE PENTAGON
IS ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN,
SOMETHING THEY WANT TO DO.

IS ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN,
SOMETHING THEY WANT TO DO.
HE DID NOT WOW IN FRONT OF THE

SOMETHING THEY WANT TO DO.
HE DID NOT WOW IN FRONT OF THE
HEARINGS.

HE DID NOT WOW IN FRONT OF THE
HEARINGS.
HE CERTAINLY DIDN'T EXHULED OR

HEARINGS.
HE CERTAINLY DIDN'T EXHULED OR
MAKE A COMPELLING CASE.

HE CERTAINLY DIDN'T EXHULED OR
MAKE A COMPELLING CASE.
A LOT OF LAWMAKERS HAVE

MAKE A COMPELLING CASE.
A LOT OF LAWMAKERS HAVE
INCREDIBLY STRONG RELATIONSHIPS

A LOT OF LAWMAKERS HAVE
INCREDIBLY STRONG RELATIONSHIPS
WITH THE PENTAGON AND IF WE ARE

INCREDIBLY STRONG RELATIONSHIPS
WITH THE PENTAGON AND IF WE ARE
HEARING THAT FROM OFFICIALS

WITH THE PENTAGON AND IF WE ARE
HEARING THAT FROM OFFICIALS
THEY'RE HEARING IT TWEL.

HEARING THAT FROM OFFICIALS
THEY'RE HEARING IT TWEL.
>> -- AS WELL.

THEY'RE HEARING IT TWEL.
>> -- AS WELL.
>> ONE PRESIDENT IN SUPPORT

>> -- AS WELL.
>> ONE PRESIDENT IN SUPPORT
SAID THAT DEMPSEY LOOKED LIKE

>> ONE PRESIDENT IN SUPPORT
SAID THAT DEMPSEY LOOKED LIKE
HE WAS A HOT -- DURING THE

SAID THAT DEMPSEY LOOKED LIKE
HE WAS A HOT -- DURING THE
TESTIMONY.

HE WAS A HOT -- DURING THE
TESTIMONY.
JOHN KERRY WAS AGGRESSIVE AND

TESTIMONY.
JOHN KERRY WAS AGGRESSIVE AND
ENERGETIC AND DEMPSEY, ALL OF

JOHN KERRY WAS AGGRESSIVE AND
ENERGETIC AND DEMPSEY, ALL OF
HIS BODY LANGUAGE THIS PERSON

ENERGETIC AND DEMPSEY, ALL OF
HIS BODY LANGUAGE THIS PERSON
SAID, WAS ALMOST DIFFICULT TO

HIS BODY LANGUAGE THIS PERSON
SAID, WAS ALMOST DIFFICULT TO
WATCH.

SAID, WAS ALMOST DIFFICULT TO
WATCH.
>> YOU CAN SEE THE TENSION IN

WATCH.
>> YOU CAN SEE THE TENSION IN
THE ADMINISTRATION BETWEEN THE

>> YOU CAN SEE THE TENSION IN
THE ADMINISTRATION BETWEEN THE
SORT OF DEMPSEY CAMP AND THE

THE ADMINISTRATION BETWEEN THE
SORT OF DEMPSEY CAMP AND THE
KERRY CAMP.

SORT OF DEMPSEY CAMP AND THE
KERRY CAMP.
IT WAS PRETTY EVIDENT IN THAT

KERRY CAMP.
IT WAS PRETTY EVIDENT IN THAT
HEARING.

IT WAS PRETTY EVIDENT IN THAT
HEARING.
WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?

HEARING.
WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?
IN PART BECAUSE THE PENTAGON'S

WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?
IN PART BECAUSE THE PENTAGON'S
VIEW, THE U.S. MILITARY'S VIEW

IN PART BECAUSE THE PENTAGON'S
VIEW, THE U.S. MILITARY'S VIEW
OF ANY KIND OF INTERVENTION

VIEW, THE U.S. MILITARY'S VIEW
OF ANY KIND OF INTERVENTION
LIKE THIS IS IF YOU SEND U.S.

OF ANY KIND OF INTERVENTION
LIKE THIS IS IF YOU SEND U.S.
TROOPS IN YOU BETTER BE SENDING

LIKE THIS IS IF YOU SEND U.S.
TROOPS IN YOU BETTER BE SENDING
THEM IN TO MAKE A POINT THAT NO

TROOPS IN YOU BETTER BE SENDING
THEM IN TO MAKE A POINT THAT NO
ONE IN THE WORLD IS EVER GOING

THEM IN TO MAKE A POINT THAT NO
ONE IN THE WORLD IS EVER GOING
TO MISS.

ONE IN THE WORLD IS EVER GOING
TO MISS.
SO WHEN THE PRESIDENT SAYS WE

TO MISS.
SO WHEN THE PRESIDENT SAYS WE
ARE THERE TO SEND A WARNING

SO WHEN THE PRESIDENT SAYS WE
ARE THERE TO SEND A WARNING
SHOT, THE PENTAGON SAYS WE

ARE THERE TO SEND A WARNING
SHOT, THE PENTAGON SAYS WE
DON'T DO WARNING SHOTS.

SHOT, THE PENTAGON SAYS WE
DON'T DO WARNING SHOTS.
WE DO SOMETHING TO MAKE IT

DON'T DO WARNING SHOTS.
WE DO SOMETHING TO MAKE IT
CLEAR THAT YOU DON'T CROSS THE

WE DO SOMETHING TO MAKE IT
CLEAR THAT YOU DON'T CROSS THE
U.S. MILITARY AGAIN.

CLEAR THAT YOU DON'T CROSS THE
U.S. MILITARY AGAIN.
GWEN: THEY DON'T DO

U.S. MILITARY AGAIN.
GWEN: THEY DON'T DO
HUMANITARIAN MISSIONS EITHER.

GWEN: THEY DON'T DO
HUMANITARIAN MISSIONS EITHER.
>> THEY WILL IF THAT IS THE

HUMANITARIAN MISSIONS EITHER.
>> THEY WILL IF THAT IS THE
SOLE MISSION, BUT IN LIBYA

>> THEY WILL IF THAT IS THE
SOLE MISSION, BUT IN LIBYA
BEFORE BEN ZPWAZZ -- BENGHAZI

SOLE MISSION, BUT IN LIBYA
BEFORE BEN ZPWAZZ -- BENGHAZI
AND ALL THAT THAT WAS

BEFORE BEN ZPWAZZ -- BENGHAZI
AND ALL THAT THAT WAS
CONSIDERED A SUCCESS NOT SIMPLY

AND ALL THAT THAT WAS
CONSIDERED A SUCCESS NOT SIMPLY
BECAUSE THEY PROTECTED THE

CONSIDERED A SUCCESS NOT SIMPLY
BECAUSE THEY PROTECTED THE
PEOPLE OF BENGHAZI BUT BECAUSE

BECAUSE THEY PROTECTED THE
PEOPLE OF BENGHAZI BUT BECAUSE
IN THE END, THE GOVERNMENT

PEOPLE OF BENGHAZI BUT BECAUSE
IN THE END, THE GOVERNMENT
FAILED AND DEMPSEY HAD TO SAY I

IN THE END, THE GOVERNMENT
FAILED AND DEMPSEY HAD TO SAY I
CAN'T TELL YOU IF IT'S GOING TO

FAILED AND DEMPSEY HAD TO SAY I
CAN'T TELL YOU IF IT'S GOING TO
MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON THE

CAN'T TELL YOU IF IT'S GOING TO
MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON THE
GROUND.

MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON THE
GROUND.
GWEN: WE HAVE A BIG SPEECH

GROUND.
GWEN: WE HAVE A BIG SPEECH
TUESDAY NIGHT.

GWEN: WE HAVE A BIG SPEECH
TUESDAY NIGHT.
THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO MAKE

TUESDAY NIGHT.
THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO MAKE
HIS CASE AGAIN, HOPEFULLY FOR A

THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO MAKE
HIS CASE AGAIN, HOPEFULLY FOR A
LARGER ALL OF A SUDDEN.

HIS CASE AGAIN, HOPEFULLY FOR A
LARGER ALL OF A SUDDEN.
WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO?

LARGER ALL OF A SUDDEN.
WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO?
HOW MUCH ARE PEOPLE HANGING ON

WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO?
HOW MUCH ARE PEOPLE HANGING ON
HIS POWERS OF PERSUASION

HOW MUCH ARE PEOPLE HANGING ON
HIS POWERS OF PERSUASION
TUESDAY NIGHT?

HIS POWERS OF PERSUASION
TUESDAY NIGHT?
>> VERY MUCH.

TUESDAY NIGHT?
>> VERY MUCH.
LAWMAKERS OF BOTH PARTIES.

>> VERY MUCH.
LAWMAKERS OF BOTH PARTIES.
THEY WANT TO SEE HIM GIVE A

LAWMAKERS OF BOTH PARTIES.
THEY WANT TO SEE HIM GIVE A
SPEECH, STICK HIS NECK OUT

THEY WANT TO SEE HIM GIVE A
SPEECH, STICK HIS NECK OUT
THERE AND TRY TO MAKE HIS IS --

SPEECH, STICK HIS NECK OUT
THERE AND TRY TO MAKE HIS IS --
HIS CASE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

THERE AND TRY TO MAKE HIS IS --
HIS CASE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
AND THE NEXT MORNING THEY'LL

HIS CASE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
AND THE NEXT MORNING THEY'LL
WAIT TO SEE WHAT KIND OF

AND THE NEXT MORNING THEY'LL
WAIT TO SEE WHAT KIND OF
RECEPTION THEY GET FROM THE CON

WAIT TO SEE WHAT KIND OF
RECEPTION THEY GET FROM THE CON
SWITCH OWENS SI.

RECEPTION THEY GET FROM THE CON
SWITCH OWENS SI.
IT IS THAT IRAQ -- CON TIP

SWITCH OWENS SI.
IT IS THAT IRAQ -- CON TIP
KENZIE.

IT IS THAT IRAQ -- CON TIP
KENZIE.
THEY WANT TO HEAR WHAT DOES IT

KENZIE.
THEY WANT TO HEAR WHAT DOES IT
MEAN FOR THE REST OF THE REGION

THEY WANT TO HEAR WHAT DOES IT
MEAN FOR THE REST OF THE REGION
AND WHY WOULD I -- IT AFFECT

MEAN FOR THE REST OF THE REGION
AND WHY WOULD I -- IT AFFECT
SOMEONE IN ILLINOIS OR THE

AND WHY WOULD I -- IT AFFECT
SOMEONE IN ILLINOIS OR THE
DAKOTAS.

SOMEONE IN ILLINOIS OR THE
DAKOTAS.
>> OF ALL OF THE TWO SIDELINE

DAKOTAS.
>> OF ALL OF THE TWO SIDELINE
EFFORTS THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE

>> OF ALL OF THE TWO SIDELINE
EFFORTS THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE
AN EFFORT, DON'T UNDERESMATETI

EFFORTS THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE
AN EFFORT, DON'T UNDERESMATETI
THE VALUE OF THE MEMBERS COMING

AN EFFORT, DON'T UNDERESMATETI
THE VALUE OF THE MEMBERS COMING
BACK AND GETTING INTO THE ROOM

THE VALUE OF THE MEMBERS COMING
BACK AND GETTING INTO THE ROOM
TOGETHER.

BACK AND GETTING INTO THE ROOM
TOGETHER.
THEY NOT ONLY LOOK TO THE

TOGETHER.
THEY NOT ONLY LOOK TO THE
PRESIDENT BUT OTHER MEMBERS TO

THEY NOT ONLY LOOK TO THE
PRESIDENT BUT OTHER MEMBERS TO
FORM OPINIONS.

PRESIDENT BUT OTHER MEMBERS TO
FORM OPINIONS.
MANY OF THEM HAVEN'T SEEN THIS

FORM OPINIONS.
MANY OF THEM HAVEN'T SEEN THIS
CLASSIFIED BRIEFING.

MANY OF THEM HAVEN'T SEEN THIS
CLASSIFIED BRIEFING.
THE OTHER THING IS APAC, IS

CLASSIFIED BRIEFING.
THE OTHER THING IS APAC, IS
ISRAELI LOBBY HAS SAID THEY'RE

THE OTHER THING IS APAC, IS
ISRAELI LOBBY HAS SAID THEY'RE
GOING TO DO A FULL-COURT PRESS

ISRAELI LOBBY HAS SAID THEY'RE
GOING TO DO A FULL-COURT PRESS
TO MEMBERS TO VOTE FOR THIS

GOING TO DO A FULL-COURT PRESS
TO MEMBERS TO VOTE FOR THIS
NEXT WEEK.

TO MEMBERS TO VOTE FOR THIS
NEXT WEEK.
>> THE PRESIDENT, THE TONE --

NEXT WEEK.
>> THE PRESIDENT, THE TONE --
WE SAW IT IN HIS REMARKS TODAY,

>> THE PRESIDENT, THE TONE --
WE SAW IT IN HIS REMARKS TODAY,
ABOUT THE CHILDREN WHO WERE

WE SAW IT IN HIS REMARKS TODAY,
ABOUT THE CHILDREN WHO WERE
KILLED, MAKING A MORAL CASE

ABOUT THE CHILDREN WHO WERE
KILLED, MAKING A MORAL CASE
WITH A VERY, SORT OF GRAPHIC

KILLED, MAKING A MORAL CASE
WITH A VERY, SORT OF GRAPHIC
DEPRIPPINGS OF WHAT THIS DID TO

WITH A VERY, SORT OF GRAPHIC
DEPRIPPINGS OF WHAT THIS DID TO
INNOCENT CHILDREN.

DEPRIPPINGS OF WHAT THIS DID TO
INNOCENT CHILDREN.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS A

INNOCENT CHILDREN.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS A
DISTINCTION FROM THE PREVIOUS

THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS A
DISTINCTION FROM THE PREVIOUS
KILLING IN SYRIA.

DISTINCTION FROM THE PREVIOUS
KILLING IN SYRIA.
THEY THINK THEY'RE -- THEIR

KILLING IN SYRIA.
THEY THINK THEY'RE -- THEIR
MOST POWERFUL EMOTIONAL CASE IS

THEY THINK THEY'RE -- THEIR
MOST POWERFUL EMOTIONAL CASE IS
IN THAT AREA.

MOST POWERFUL EMOTIONAL CASE IS
IN THAT AREA.
>> HE'S GOT TO DECIDE WHETHER

IN THAT AREA.
>> HE'S GOT TO DECIDE WHETHER
HE'S MAKING A HUMANITARIAN CASE

>> HE'S GOT TO DECIDE WHETHER
HE'S MAKING A HUMANITARIAN CASE
OR A NATIONAL SECURITY CASE.

HE'S MAKING A HUMANITARIAN CASE
OR A NATIONAL SECURITY CASE.
HE'S TRIED A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH

OR A NATIONAL SECURITY CASE.
HE'S TRIED A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH
AND I THINK IT'S BEEN

HE'S TRIED A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH
AND I THINK IT'S BEEN
UNCONVINCING.

AND I THINK IT'S BEEN
UNCONVINCING.
GWEN: THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE

UNCONVINCING.
GWEN: THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE
PLANNING ON THE PLANE FLYING

GWEN: THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE
PLANNING ON THE PLANE FLYING
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ATTENTION.

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ATTENTION.
ISRAEL'S HUGE ENERGY

ATTENTION.
ISRAEL'S HUGE ENERGY
DISCOVERIES.

ISRAEL'S HUGE ENERGY
DISCOVERIES.
HOW WILL THEY CHANGE LIFE THERE

DISCOVERIES.
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AND THROUGHOUT THE REGION.

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