WEBVTT 00:01.634 --> 00:03.403 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% (gentle music) 00:03.403 --> 00:06.606 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% - Good evening and welcome to the Washington Week Extra. 00:06.606 --> 00:08.475 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I'm Yamiche Alcindor. 00:08.475 --> 00:12.045 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Last week, 22-year-old Amir Locke was shot and killed 00:12.045 --> 00:14.280 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% by a Minneapolis police officer executing 00:14.280 --> 00:16.449 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% a no-knock search warrant. 00:16.449 --> 00:20.487 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% A body cam video released by the city shows police barging 00:20.487 --> 00:23.256 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% into the apartment where Locke appears to be sleeping 00:23.256 --> 00:25.759 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% on a couch and starting to get up. 00:25.759 --> 00:28.528 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% Police say they announced themselves and that Locke was shot 00:28.528 --> 00:32.165 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% after he pointed a loaded gun in the direction of officers. 00:32.165 --> 00:35.435 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% It's not clear from the video if the gun was pointed 00:35.435 --> 00:38.004 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% at officers or if anyone ordered him to drop it 00:38.004 --> 00:39.572 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% before he was shot. 00:39.572 --> 00:41.107 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% In an interview with CNN, 00:41.107 --> 00:44.110 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Locke's family said he was legally owning that gun, 00:44.110 --> 00:45.845 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and they described his death 00:45.845 --> 00:47.747 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% as a failure of law enforcement. 00:49.549 --> 00:54.087 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Do you blame the officer or the system 00:54.087 --> 00:57.524 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that put this officer in this position in the first place? 00:57.524 --> 01:01.161 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% - I believe that the no-knock warrant is 01:01.161 --> 01:04.564 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% what caused Amir's death. 01:04.564 --> 01:07.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% - The whole system, everybody. 01:07.333 --> 01:10.036 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% He wasn't killed, he wasn't murdered, he was executed. 01:12.872 --> 01:14.407 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - They are also calling for the city 01:14.407 --> 01:17.644 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to make substantial changes to their policies. 01:19.279 --> 01:23.216 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% - Nothing that they can do can bring our son back, 01:24.651 --> 01:27.020 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% but the best thing that they can do at this point 01:27.020 --> 01:30.490 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% with no-knock warrants and prosecuting the officer 01:30.490 --> 01:33.560 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% who decided to play God. 01:34.694 --> 01:38.765 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% What they can do is fire him, prosecute him, 01:38.765 --> 01:40.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and just tell the truth. 01:40.700 --> 01:41.835 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% "We messed up." 01:44.337 --> 01:47.740 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - This comes after the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis 01:47.740 --> 01:51.644 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% which led to widespread protests during the summer of 2020, 01:51.644 --> 01:54.981 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and no-knock warrants have long been a standing issue 01:55.949 --> 01:57.884 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that extends beyond Minneapolis. 01:57.884 --> 01:59.853 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Two years ago in Louisville, Kentucky, 01:59.853 --> 02:02.555 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% 26-year-old Breonna Taylor was shot and killed 02:02.555 --> 02:04.791 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% after police officers entered her home 02:04.791 --> 02:06.126 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% with a no-knock warrant. 02:06.126 --> 02:09.095 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The backlash from her death eventually led 02:09.095 --> 02:12.065 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to Breonna's Law, a total ban 02:12.065 --> 02:13.733 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% on these warrants in Louisville. 02:15.168 --> 02:18.738 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Joining me to discuss policing and politics, Omar Jimenez, 02:18.738 --> 02:20.573 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% national correspondent for CNN. 02:20.573 --> 02:22.675 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% He as you saw on video, 02:22.675 --> 02:25.278 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% he recently interviewed the Locke family. 02:25.278 --> 02:28.281 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Errin Haines, editor at large for The 19th, 02:28.281 --> 02:31.317 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% a nonprofit news site focused on gender and politics. 02:31.317 --> 02:34.287 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And Philip Rucker, deputy national editor 02:34.287 --> 02:35.255 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% for the Washington Post. 02:35.255 --> 02:36.222 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Thank you all for being here. 02:36.222 --> 02:37.724 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Omar, I wanna start with you. 02:37.724 --> 02:39.392 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Talk about the discrepancy 02:39.392 --> 02:41.361 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% between what the police are saying happened, 02:41.361 --> 02:43.863 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and what Amir Locke's family is saying. 02:43.863 --> 02:46.132 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And where do things stand now with the case 02:46.132 --> 02:47.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and with the officers involved. 02:48.902 --> 02:50.837 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yeah, so this is a discrepancy we see 02:50.837 --> 02:53.439 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% in a lot of these cases, kind of the initial account 02:53.439 --> 02:57.477 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% by police and then what we later learn as documents 02:57.477 --> 02:59.546 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and as body camera video come out. 02:59.546 --> 03:01.681 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% In this particular case, the person 03:01.681 --> 03:04.784 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that the police encountered initially as they described it, 03:04.784 --> 03:06.786 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% they described him as a suspect. 03:06.786 --> 03:10.456 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Well, as we learned later on, Amir Locke was not named 03:10.456 --> 03:12.792 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% in any of the search warrants. 03:12.792 --> 03:14.994 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% As you mentioned before, you were coming to me, 03:14.994 --> 03:17.463 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% police have said that this gun was pointed 03:17.463 --> 03:20.266 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% in the direction of the shooting officer, 03:20.266 --> 03:22.335 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% but based on what they've released so far, 03:22.335 --> 03:26.005 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% there's no way for us to verify that at this point. 03:26.005 --> 03:29.909 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% So that discrepancy while it is bad, it's not quite as bad 03:29.909 --> 03:31.911 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% as what we saw in George Floyd's case 03:31.911 --> 03:33.279 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% where it was initially described 03:33.279 --> 03:35.982 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% as a man who had a medical emergency 03:35.982 --> 03:39.285 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% with no mention of any sort of police restraint, 03:39.285 --> 03:43.456 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% which as we later learned was incredibly far from the truth. 03:43.456 --> 03:45.425 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Where things stand right now, 03:45.425 --> 03:48.928 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the case is under investigation by state authorities 03:48.928 --> 03:51.731 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% as they typically do in these police-involved shootings. 03:51.731 --> 03:54.367 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% The officer is placed on routine administrative leave, 03:54.367 --> 03:56.402 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% but in the meantime, the family 03:56.402 --> 03:59.739 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and their attorneys are urging not just state lawmakers 03:59.739 --> 04:03.176 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% but even called on President Biden to institute a ban 04:03.176 --> 04:04.510 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% on no-knock warrants. 04:04.510 --> 04:06.379 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% President Biden, they want him to do it 04:06.379 --> 04:08.848 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% at the federal level for federal law enforcement, 04:08.848 --> 04:11.284 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and then at the state level there is a push 04:11.284 --> 04:14.887 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% by some lawmakers to at least further restrict the use 04:14.887 --> 04:16.356 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% of them, but we haven't seen 04:16.356 --> 04:19.859 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that legislation materialize word for word just yet. 04:21.294 --> 04:23.896 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% - Yeah, and as you talk about no-knock warrants, 04:23.896 --> 04:25.598 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the warrant for Amir's case, 04:25.598 --> 04:29.035 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% for Amir Locke's case was released this week on Thursday. 04:29.035 --> 04:31.404 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Talk a bit first for people maybe who aren't familiar 04:31.404 --> 04:33.673 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% about what exactly no-knock warrants are. 04:33.673 --> 04:35.708 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And then talk a bit about why police say they needed 04:35.708 --> 04:37.510 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% to use it in this case. 04:38.478 --> 04:40.313 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% - Yeah, so a no-knock warrant. 04:40.313 --> 04:41.981 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I guess the best way to put it is the difference 04:41.981 --> 04:44.450 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% between a standard search warrant and a no-knock warrant. 04:44.450 --> 04:46.586 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Standard is sort of what you would call 04:46.586 --> 04:48.087 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% a knock-and-announce. 04:48.087 --> 04:51.090 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% You knock, "Police," you give it a second for them 04:51.090 --> 04:53.459 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to potentially interpret the fact that there are police 04:53.459 --> 04:55.495 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% at the door, and then you go in. 04:55.495 --> 04:59.532 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% A no-knock warrant is when you don't do that, 04:59.532 --> 05:02.368 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% or you announce after you've crossed the threshold 05:02.368 --> 05:04.771 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% of an actual residence or apartment. 05:04.771 --> 05:08.041 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And then in this particular case why the officers felt 05:08.041 --> 05:10.476 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% like they needed to do it, they were searching 05:10.476 --> 05:12.779 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% for property tied to a homicide case 05:12.779 --> 05:14.414 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% out of nearby St. Paul, Minnesota. 05:14.414 --> 05:17.483 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% This was a Minneapolis apartment that they were going into. 05:17.483 --> 05:21.754 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And part of their reasoning was they felt it was safer 05:21.754 --> 05:24.457 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for them to go in, in a no-knock warrant. 05:24.457 --> 05:27.060 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% They were worried about the destruction of property tied 05:27.060 --> 05:29.495 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to this particular homicide case. 05:29.495 --> 05:33.499 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And so they used that as reasoning to then push in 05:33.499 --> 05:36.069 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% as we saw in the body camera video that was released. 05:36.069 --> 05:40.273 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The only issue was it happened as Amir Locke was asleep. 05:40.273 --> 05:43.876 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% He was startled or appeared to wake up as they came in, 05:43.876 --> 05:45.545 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and as his family has argued, 05:45.545 --> 05:47.714 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% he had no idea what was going on. 05:47.714 --> 05:50.116 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% No one could have known what was going on, 05:50.116 --> 05:52.685 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and to quote one of their attorneys, he said, 05:52.685 --> 05:56.222 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% "No law abiding gun owner could have survived 05:56.222 --> 05:57.423 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% that situation." 05:57.423 --> 05:59.525 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And that of course becomes the main crux 05:59.525 --> 06:01.227 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of the issue for no-knock warrants. 06:01.227 --> 06:04.997 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% How safe are they really when even law abiding citizens 06:04.997 --> 06:07.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% are put in these particular situations? 06:08.368 --> 06:10.436 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Well, as you said, safety, and one more to Omar 06:10.436 --> 06:11.738 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% before I brought it out. 06:11.738 --> 06:14.140 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You talk about that issue of safety here. 06:14.140 --> 06:15.942 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% What is the argument against no-knock warrants? 06:15.942 --> 06:17.677 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% What have activists been saying? 06:17.677 --> 06:20.012 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Those who have been successful, those who are still fighting 06:20.012 --> 06:22.749 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% about the safety of these warrants? 06:22.749 --> 06:24.484 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Well, because you look at cases that have happened. 06:24.484 --> 06:26.419 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You mentioned Breonna Taylor coming to me, 06:26.419 --> 06:28.888 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the outcome there where you're going 06:28.888 --> 06:32.358 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and you're executing a no-knock warrant at off hours, 06:32.358 --> 06:34.494 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% early morning, in the middle of the night where someone 06:34.494 --> 06:38.197 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% on the inside, if you don't have that knock, "Hi, police," 06:38.197 --> 06:42.068 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% might assume it's just an intruder and treat it as such. 06:42.068 --> 06:44.704 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% While police are then met with more force 06:44.704 --> 06:46.606 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% than they might have meant on the other side of things. 06:46.606 --> 06:49.776 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% So the critics say it's not safe for either side 06:49.776 --> 06:51.878 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% of the door, makes things more dangerous for police 06:51.878 --> 06:55.615 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% because now these people are more willing to use force back, 06:55.615 --> 06:57.283 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and then vice versa. 06:57.283 --> 07:00.486 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And with Breonna Taylor's situation, of course 07:00.486 --> 07:04.257 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that translated into policy in Louisville, Breonna's Law. 07:04.257 --> 07:07.160 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And we've seen some states take that approach as well. 07:07.160 --> 07:11.397 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Oregon, Florida, Virginia became the latest in late 2020. 07:11.397 --> 07:14.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% The state of Kentucky didn't, but Minnesota is trying to 07:14.233 --> 07:17.570 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% at least make it harder to obtain no-knock warrants. 07:17.570 --> 07:19.505 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% At least that's what we've been hearing initially 07:19.505 --> 07:21.007 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% from some state lawmakers. 07:21.007 --> 07:24.410 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And Minneapolis itself tried to restrict these 07:24.410 --> 07:26.512 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% in the aftermath of what happened to Breonna Taylor 07:26.512 --> 07:30.349 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to basically reserve them for high-risk situations only 07:30.349 --> 07:32.118 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to be approved by supervisors. 07:32.118 --> 07:34.587 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% But that was the policy in place prior to this. 07:34.587 --> 07:37.590 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% So it remains to be seen whether Minneapolis mayor, 07:37.590 --> 07:39.992 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Jacob Frey says and uses this moment 07:39.992 --> 07:42.061 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to take that even further. 07:43.396 --> 07:44.864 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% - Yeah. 07:44.864 --> 07:46.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And Errin, you've written about Breonna Taylor, 07:46.833 --> 07:50.102 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% you wrote about George Floyd. 07:50.102 --> 07:51.304 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% People thought in this country. 07:51.304 --> 07:52.572 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I think a lot of people thought George Floyd 07:52.572 --> 07:54.474 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% was the tipping point, but now here we are 07:54.474 --> 07:56.108 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% almost two years later back talking 07:56.108 --> 07:57.343 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% about the Minneapolis police, 07:57.343 --> 07:59.812 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% back talking about an African-American man 07:59.812 --> 08:03.883 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% who has been shot, who has been killed by police. 08:03.883 --> 08:05.518 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Talk a little bit about the frustration 08:05.518 --> 08:07.820 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that you hear when you talk to civil rights activists, 08:07.820 --> 08:11.290 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% when you talk to people who are impacted by these shootings, 08:11.290 --> 08:13.693 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and where things stand in terms of people's minds 08:13.693 --> 08:16.729 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% when you see something like this happen again and again. 08:17.897 --> 08:19.765 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yeah, and listen, Yamiche, here we are. 08:19.765 --> 08:21.767 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I mean, this shooting happened 08:21.767 --> 08:23.402 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% at the beginning of Black History Month. 08:23.402 --> 08:26.873 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% It happened in a month that marks the 10 year anniversary 08:26.873 --> 08:30.009 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of really the emergence of the Black Lives Matter movement. 08:30.009 --> 08:32.712 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And so really it is a marker and a reminder 08:32.712 --> 08:36.816 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% of how much progress remains to be made on the issue 08:36.816 --> 08:41.387 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% of communities of color in particular feeling 08:41.387 --> 08:46.225 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% like they are safe and are being fairly treated 08:46.225 --> 08:49.629 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% by members of law enforcement, and what can be done 08:49.629 --> 08:54.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to mitigate the killing of black people by police 08:54.300 --> 08:56.168 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and by vigilantes. 08:56.168 --> 08:58.604 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% As you mentioned, I wrote the first national story 08:58.604 --> 09:00.206 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% on Breonna Taylor a couple of years ago. 09:00.206 --> 09:03.543 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Her case, as Omar mentioned, again raised the issue 09:03.543 --> 09:05.144 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of no-knock warrants, and just the idea 09:05.144 --> 09:07.780 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that black people are unsafe, even in their own homes 09:07.780 --> 09:09.048 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% from law enforcement. 09:09.048 --> 09:10.883 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Raised the issue of legal gun ownership, 09:10.883 --> 09:13.653 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% something that came up in the Philando Castile case. 09:13.653 --> 09:16.155 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Minneapolis did put at a moratorium on no-knock warrants, 09:16.155 --> 09:19.091 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but this is an issue, again, it still has not been addressed 09:19.091 --> 09:20.393 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% at the federal level. 09:20.393 --> 09:22.562 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Police reform that was being discussed 09:22.562 --> 09:25.698 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in Congress went nowhere last summer. 09:25.698 --> 09:28.034 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% It's important to point out as Omar did that states 09:28.034 --> 09:29.468 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and local jurisdictions are attempting 09:29.468 --> 09:32.305 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to do what Congress is not doing in terms of police reform 09:32.305 --> 09:34.206 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% whether you're talking about ending no-knock warrants 09:34.206 --> 09:37.176 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% to banning choke holds, expanding the use of body cameras, 09:37.176 --> 09:39.445 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% keeping police from being first responders on issues 09:39.445 --> 09:41.914 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of mental health that can turn into deadly encounters. 09:41.914 --> 09:44.116 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But listen, voters that I talked to headed 09:44.116 --> 09:46.619 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% into the 2020 election after that summer 09:46.619 --> 09:48.487 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% around the national reckoning of race 09:48.487 --> 09:51.424 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that brought a diverse group of Americans into the streets 09:51.424 --> 09:53.392 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% by the millions. 09:53.392 --> 09:56.095 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% What they were saying was that this was one of the issues 09:56.095 --> 09:59.532 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that they wanted addressed by this new administration. 09:59.532 --> 10:03.936 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% They wanted a federal response to what would be done 10:03.936 --> 10:07.139 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to stop the really unrelenting killing of black 10:07.139 --> 10:10.810 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and brown Americans by law enforcement and vigilantes. 10:10.810 --> 10:13.245 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% They wanted something to be done, 10:13.245 --> 10:16.582 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and the government really should be who intervenes 10:16.582 --> 10:18.951 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% so that there was a uniform policy 10:18.951 --> 10:21.320 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% across this country rather than states 10:21.320 --> 10:23.789 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and jurisdictions figuring this out on their own. 10:25.191 --> 10:26.459 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 10:26.459 --> 10:27.627 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And Phil, Errin just broke down the sort 10:27.627 --> 10:29.261 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% of politics of this. 10:29.261 --> 10:31.464 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So many voters are looking at President Biden, 10:31.464 --> 10:32.965 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% looking at Democrats and saying, 10:32.965 --> 10:34.767 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% especially I will say African-American voters 10:34.767 --> 10:37.436 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and saying policing reform was stalled, 10:37.436 --> 10:39.171 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% voting rights is stalled. 10:39.171 --> 10:42.642 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% What are the politics specifically when it comes to policing 10:42.642 --> 10:45.177 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% for President Biden and the impact that this could have 10:45.177 --> 10:49.482 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% on Democrats trying to hold onto control here in D.C.? 10:49.482 --> 10:53.819 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Well, Yamiche, those two agenda items have been stalled. 10:53.819 --> 10:57.923 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I think a lot of Democrats are frustrated by that, 10:57.923 --> 11:00.926 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and demoralized by that, and thought that 11:00.926 --> 11:04.497 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% by electing a democratic president and a democratic majority 11:04.497 --> 11:07.299 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% in the House and the Senate that these agenda items 11:07.299 --> 11:08.768 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% would be front and center, 11:08.768 --> 11:11.303 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and that these reforms would be passed into law. 11:11.303 --> 11:13.139 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% That there would be policing reform, 11:13.139 --> 11:15.307 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that there would be voting protections in the form 11:15.307 --> 11:17.810 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% of voting rights passed by the Congress. 11:17.810 --> 11:19.412 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And that has not happened. 11:19.412 --> 11:22.048 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% There are a lot of frustrations by activists, 11:22.048 --> 11:24.250 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% as well as by some elected Democrats 11:24.250 --> 11:27.420 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that President Biden has not used the full weight 11:27.420 --> 11:31.157 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of his office to push these issues on Capitol Hill. 11:31.157 --> 11:33.025 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Remember, when he first came into office, 11:33.025 --> 11:35.861 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% he was prioritizing the pandemic, he was prioritizing 11:35.861 --> 11:39.165 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% some of the fiscal bills, first the stimulus bill 11:39.165 --> 11:41.934 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% for pandemic relief, and then spent months 11:41.934 --> 11:44.937 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in negotiations with Senator Joe Manchin, 11:44.937 --> 11:47.339 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Senator Kyrsten Sinema, and trying 11:47.339 --> 11:49.308 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to win over Republican support 11:49.308 --> 11:50.943 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for his Build Back Better initiative 11:50.943 --> 11:53.512 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and for infrastructure at the expense, 11:53.512 --> 11:55.681 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% according to many democratic activists, 11:55.681 --> 11:58.217 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of a full-throated push for voting rights, 11:58.217 --> 11:59.885 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and for policing reform. 11:59.885 --> 12:03.956 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We've in recent weeks heard President Biden give 12:03.956 --> 12:06.792 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% powerful speeches about voting rights. 12:06.792 --> 12:09.195 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And he has talked over the course of his presidency 12:09.195 --> 12:11.697 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% about how much he values policing reform, 12:11.697 --> 12:15.167 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but we haven't seen the energy and the momentum 12:15.167 --> 12:17.369 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% on Capitol Hill to push these forward. 12:17.369 --> 12:20.406 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And you also haven't seen the democratic majorities, 12:20.406 --> 12:24.977 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% however slim, in the Congress actually pass these laws. 12:26.512 --> 12:27.446 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 12:27.446 --> 12:29.548 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And Omar, last question to you. 12:29.548 --> 12:33.085 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Amir Locke's family, they're calling for federal legislation 12:33.085 --> 12:35.888 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to ban no-knock warrants, but as Phil just pointed out, 12:35.888 --> 12:39.125 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% as Errin just pointed out, there hasn't been much happening, 12:39.125 --> 12:41.160 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% anything really happening in the last year 12:41.160 --> 12:43.529 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% as it relates to policing reform. 12:43.529 --> 12:45.664 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% What's your sense after talking to them, after talking 12:45.664 --> 12:47.767 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to activists on the ground there in Minneapolis 12:47.767 --> 12:50.202 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% about how much they see the federal government 12:50.202 --> 12:52.171 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% as a place where they can see change or whether 12:52.171 --> 12:54.006 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% or not this is gonna be really something focused 12:54.006 --> 12:58.577 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% on local communities because policing is of course so local? 12:59.812 --> 13:02.248 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I think it's been the latter, where of course, 13:02.248 --> 13:04.250 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% they've made calls to President Biden, 13:04.250 --> 13:06.819 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of course they've made calls to the Department of Justice 13:06.819 --> 13:08.320 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% to get involved. 13:08.320 --> 13:09.822 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And they have in some cases where right now in the middle 13:09.822 --> 13:13.192 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of the federal prosecution for the other three officers 13:13.192 --> 13:16.128 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in the George Floyd case, not Derek Chauvin, 13:16.128 --> 13:17.563 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% who's convicted at the state level. 13:17.563 --> 13:19.498 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And the Minneapolis police department is 13:19.498 --> 13:22.034 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% under a current DOJ probe right now 13:22.034 --> 13:23.269 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% for their patterns and practices. 13:23.269 --> 13:25.704 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% So some of those appeals have been successful, 13:25.704 --> 13:28.874 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% but as far as concrete policy and action, 13:28.874 --> 13:30.509 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% it's really come down to trying 13:30.509 --> 13:32.211 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to lobby their local officials 13:32.211 --> 13:33.712 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and put a lot of pressure there. 13:33.712 --> 13:34.947 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I mean, look, in Minneapolis 13:34.947 --> 13:38.250 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% in particular we saw a really huge movement 13:38.250 --> 13:40.419 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% to try and dismantle the police department 13:40.419 --> 13:42.888 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in favor of sort of encompassing it 13:42.888 --> 13:45.257 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% within a wider public safety department 13:45.257 --> 13:47.726 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to the point where it was able to get put 13:47.726 --> 13:48.961 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% on the November ballot. 13:48.961 --> 13:52.031 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And it failed but it was a very close vote. 13:52.031 --> 13:55.167 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And a lot of that energy wasn't so much defeated 13:55.167 --> 13:57.803 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% as "Wow, we put everything into it and now look, 13:57.803 --> 13:59.305 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% the people's spoken, it's over." 13:59.305 --> 14:01.841 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% It's more that "Look how many people voted for this." 14:01.841 --> 14:04.977 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The energy to try and reform our police department, 14:04.977 --> 14:07.780 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% our public safety approach is there, it's just a matter 14:07.780 --> 14:09.281 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% of trying to channel it. 14:09.281 --> 14:11.884 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And the last thing I'll say is there were a lot of ideals 14:11.884 --> 14:13.652 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of what policing should look like, 14:13.652 --> 14:15.688 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% especially after George Floyd 14:15.688 --> 14:18.824 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because many people saw the conviction of Derek Chauvin 14:18.824 --> 14:21.961 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and the energy around that sort of being the tipping point. 14:21.961 --> 14:26.365 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But the ideals have taken a long time to catch up 14:26.365 --> 14:27.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% with reality. 14:27.800 --> 14:29.969 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And these practices and policies that are getting put 14:29.969 --> 14:33.105 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% in place are taking a while to become common practice 14:33.105 --> 14:35.708 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% for a lot of these police officers who have made a career 14:35.708 --> 14:38.477 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% out of doing things a certain way. 14:38.477 --> 14:41.447 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I think that's sort of the trouble that we're running 14:41.447 --> 14:43.716 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% into right now, not to mention the fact 14:43.716 --> 14:45.150 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that there was a pandemic, 14:45.150 --> 14:47.152 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that last year was the deadliest year for law enforcement. 14:47.152 --> 14:49.521 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% That was the deadliest year for people out in the streets 14:49.521 --> 14:51.023 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% as homicide numbers spiked. 14:51.023 --> 14:54.593 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% That context matters when you're trying to reform yourself 14:54.593 --> 14:56.028 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% at the center of it all. 14:57.329 --> 14:58.831 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Yeah, yeah. 14:58.831 --> 15:00.399 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Well, an important topic that we'll keep covering. 15:00.399 --> 15:01.934 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We'll have to leave it there tonight. 15:01.934 --> 15:04.637 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Thank you so much to Omar, to Errin, to Phil 15:04.637 --> 15:06.138 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% for sharing your reporting. 15:06.138 --> 15:08.574 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And make sure to 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