WEBVTT 00:00.100 --> 01:10.398 GWEN: THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TALKING AND DOING WHEN IT COMES 01:10.400 --> 01:11.070 TALKING AND DOING WHEN IT COMES TO TERRORISM, IMMIGRATION AND 01:11.072 --> 01:12.318 TO TERRORISM, IMMIGRATION AND PRESIDENT. 01:12.320 --> 01:14.142 PRESIDENT. TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK." 01:14.144 --> 01:16.510 TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK." HAVE AOF US 01:16.512 --> 01:18.013 HAVE AOF US RESPONSIBILITY TO REFUTE THE 01:18.015 --> 01:19.902 RESPONSIBILITY TO REFUTE THE NOTION THAT GROUPS LIKE ISIL 01:19.903 --> 01:22.461 NOTION THAT GROUPS LIKE ISIL REPRESENT ISLAM BECAUSE 01:22.463 --> 01:23.870 REPRESENT ISLAM BECAUSE THAT IS A FALSEHOOD THAT 01:23.872 --> 01:26.653 THAT IS A FALSEHOOD THAT EMBRACESERRORIST 01:26.655 --> 01:28.541 EMBRACESERRORIST NARRATIVE. 01:28.543 --> 01:30.909 NARRATIVE. TERRORISMR AGAINST 01:30.911 --> 01:33.437 TERRORISMR AGAINST DEVOLVED INTO A WAR OF 01:33.439 --> 01:36.252 DEVOLVED INTO A WAR OF ANIMAL LOVERS. 01:36.254 --> 01:38.205 ANIMAL LOVERS. THESE AREN'T ENVIRONMENTAL 01:38.207 --> 01:39.196 THESE AREN'T ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCATES. 01:39.198 --> 01:41.245 ADVOCATES. IS ABOUT SOIS WAR 01:41.247 --> 01:42.205 IS ABOUT SOIS WAR MUCH MORE THAN BOOTS ON THE 01:42.207 --> 01:42.524 MUCH MORE THAN BOOTS ON THE GROUND. 01:42.526 --> 01:45.341 GROUND. PRESIDENT'SEDERAL J 01:45.342 --> 01:46.236 PRESIDENT'SEDERAL J IMMIGRATION REFORM PLAN, 01:46.238 --> 01:48.028 IMMIGRATION REFORM PLAN, DELAYING ACTION IN 26 STATES. 01:48.030 --> 01:51.867 DELAYING ACTION IN 26 STATES. CANNOT FAIL OUR FELLOW 01:51.869 --> 01:52.188 CANNOT FAIL OUR FELLOW TEXANS. 01:52.190 --> 01:56.475 TEXANS. WE MUST DO WHAT FAILED TO DO. 01:56.477 --> 02:00.540 WE MUST DO WHAT FAILED TO DO. OUR BORDER. 02:00.541 --> 02:04.603 OUR BORDER. PRESIDENTJEB BUSH STEPS INTO TF 02:04.605 --> 02:05.371 PRESIDENTJEB BUSH STEPS INTO TF HE WOULD BE. 02:05.373 --> 02:06.651 HE WOULD BE. >> EACH PRESIDENT LEARNS FROM 02:06.653 --> 02:11.003 >> EACH PRESIDENT LEARNS FROM BEFORE -- THEIR 02:11.005 --> 02:12.251 BEFORE -- THEIR PRINCIPLES, THEIR ADJUSTMENTS. 02:12.253 --> 02:14.810 PRINCIPLES, THEIR ADJUSTMENTS. THIS, EVERY KNOW IS 02:14.812 --> 02:19.866 THIS, EVERY KNOW IS PRESIDENT INHERITS A CHANGING 02:19.868 --> 02:20.282 PRESIDENT INHERITS A CHANGING CIRCUMSTANCES. 02:20.284 --> 02:21.594 CIRCUMSTANCES. GWEN: CAN HE ESCAPE THE SHADOWS 02:21.596 --> 02:22.874 GWEN: CAN HE ESCAPE THE SHADOWS CAST BY HIS FATHER AND HIS 02:22.876 --> 02:23.546 CAST BY HIS FATHER AND HIS BROTHER? 02:23.548 --> 02:26.010 BROTHER? COVERING THE WEEK, MICHAEL 02:26.012 --> 02:26.714 COVERING THE WEEK, MICHAEL CROWLEY, SENIOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS 02:26.716 --> 02:29.082 CROWLEY, SENIOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS POLITICO,ENT FOR 02:29.084 --> 02:29.754 POLITICO,ENT FOR NANCY YOUSSEF, SENIOR NATIONAL 02:29.756 --> 02:30.458 NANCY YOUSSEF, SENIOR NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT FOR "THE 02:30.460 --> 02:34.969 SECURITY CORRESPONDENT FOR "THE DAILY BEAST,"STICE CORRESPONDENC 02:34.971 --> 02:38.937 DAILY BEAST,"STICE CORRESPONDENC JOHN DICKERSON, CHIEF 02:38.939 --> 02:39.577 JOHN DICKERSON, CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT AND 02:39.579 --> 02:40.281 POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT AND POLITICAL DIRECTOR FOR "SLATE" 02:40.283 --> 02:45.593 POLITICAL DIRECTOR FOR "SLATE" AND CBS NEWSNG AND 02:45.595 --> 02:46.649 AND CBS NEWSNG AND ANALYSIS. 02:46.650 --> 02:49.624 ANALYSIS. COVERING HISTORY HAPPENS. 02:49.626 --> 02:52.600 COVERING HISTORY HAPPENS. CAPITOL, OUR NATION'S 02:52.602 --> 02:53.849 CAPITOL, OUR NATION'S THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH 02:53.851 --> 02:56.184 THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH GWEN IFILL. 02:56.184 --> 02:58.037 TERROR BEGAN EARLY ON SATURDAY COPENHAGEN.GS IN 02:58.039 --> 02:59.093 COPENHAGEN.GS IN IT TOOK A HORRIFIC TURN THE NEXT 02:59.095 --> 03:00.726 IT TOOK A HORRIFIC TURN THE NEXT DAY WITH THE RELEASE OF A VIDEO 03:00.727 --> 03:02.677 DAY WITH THE RELEASE OF A VIDEO OF 21G THE BEHEADINGS 03:02.678 --> 03:05.332 OF 21G THE BEHEADINGS EGYPTIAN COPTIC CHRISTIANS AND 03:05.333 --> 03:06.581 EGYPTIAN COPTIC CHRISTIANS AND THEN WITHIN 24 HOURS, ARMED 03:06.583 --> 03:07.701 THEN WITHIN 24 HOURS, ARMED REAT 03:07.703 --> 03:09.332 REAT WHAT BETTER TIME, THEN, FOR A 03:09.334 --> 03:12.148 WHAT BETTER TIME, THEN, FOR A WHITE HOUSE SUMMIT ON EXTREMISM, 03:12.150 --> 03:14.132 WHITE HOUSE SUMMIT ON EXTREMISM, ALBEIT ONE THAT DEMONSTRATED HOW 03:14.134 --> 03:15.124 ALBEIT ONE THAT DEMONSTRATED HOW DEGRADING ISIS IS MORE 03:15.127 --> 03:16.085 DEGRADING ISIS IS MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT SEEMS. 03:16.087 --> 03:18.068 COMPLICATED THAN IT SEEMS. PROBLEM, AS THE PRESIDENT 03:18.070 --> 03:20.083 PROBLEM, AS THE PRESIDENT SEES IT, IS THAT THE TERRORISTS 03:20.085 --> 03:22.228 SEES IT, IS THAT THE TERRORISTS ALSO KNOWN 03:22.229 --> 03:23.891 ALSO KNOWN ARE DESPERATE FOR LEGITIMACY. 03:23.893 --> 03:25.620 ARE DESPERATE FOR LEGITIMACY. >> THEY TRY TO PORTRAY 03:25.622 --> 03:26.836 >> THEY TRY TO PORTRAY LEADERS,S AS RELIGIOUS 03:26.837 --> 03:31.315 LEADERS,S AS RELIGIOUS HOLY WARRIORS IN DEFENSE OF 03:31.316 --> 03:32.243 HOLY WARRIORS IN DEFENSE OF ISLAM. 03:32.245 --> 03:35.219 ISLAM. THAT'S ISIL PRUMES TO 03:35.221 --> 03:37.075 THAT'S ISIL PRUMES TO ITSELF THE ISLAMIC 03:37.077 --> 03:38.035 ITSELF THE ISLAMIC STATE. 03:38.036 --> 03:39.954 STATE. WE MUST NEVER ACCEPT THE PREMISE 03:39.956 --> 03:42.259 WE MUST NEVER ACCEPT THE PREMISE PUT FORWARD BECAUSE IT 03:42.261 --> 03:44.850 PUT FORWARD BECAUSE IT IS A LIE. 03:44.852 --> 03:46.035 IS A LIE. THE: THE PROBLEM, AS 03:46.037 --> 03:46.803 THE: THE PROBLEM, AS PRESIDENT'S CRITICS SEE IT, IS 03:46.805 --> 03:48.818 PRESIDENT'S CRITICS SEE IT, IS THAT THE WHITE HOUSE REFUSES TO 03:48.820 --> 03:51.826 THAT THE WHITE HOUSE REFUSES TO THE LABEL "ISLAMIC 03:51.828 --> 03:53.554 THE LABEL "ISLAMIC TERRORISM" AND THEREIN LIES PART 03:53.556 --> 03:56.498 TERRORISM" AND THEREIN LIES PART AS TO WHY THETION 03:56.500 --> 03:58.546 AS TO WHY THETION CHALLENGE IS SO MULTILAYERED, 03:58.548 --> 03:58.866 CHALLENGE IS SO MULTILAYERED, MICHAEL. 03:58.868 --> 04:00.178 MICHAEL. >> IT REALLY IS. 04:00.180 --> 04:01.393 >> IT REALLY IS. THE PRESIDENT IS STICKING TO HIS 04:01.395 --> 04:02.290 THE PRESIDENT IS STICKING TO HIS GUNS ON THIS ONE. 04:02.291 --> 04:03.410 GUNS ON THIS ONE. IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE BACK IN 04:03.412 --> 04:05.905 IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE BACK IN WASEMBER THE WHITE HOUSE 04:05.908 --> 04:07.089 WASEMBER THE WHITE HOUSE CRITICIZED FOR NOT SAYING WE 04:07.090 --> 04:08.882 CRITICIZED FOR NOT SAYING WE WERE AT WAR WITH ISIS AND THEY 04:08.884 --> 04:09.937 WERE AT WAR WITH ISIS AND THEY FIGHT WANT THAT POLITICAL 04:09.939 --> 04:11.696 FIGHT WANT THAT POLITICAL AND STEPPED BACK AND SAID, WE'RE 04:11.699 --> 04:12.945 AND STEPPED BACK AND SAID, WE'RE AT WAR, THIS IS NOT A FIGHT WE 04:12.946 --> 04:13.776 AT WAR, THIS IS NOT A FIGHT WE WANT TO HAVE. 04:13.779 --> 04:14.993 WANT TO HAVE. THE PRESIDENT 04:14.995 --> 04:16.464 THE PRESIDENT STUCK TO HIS GUNS. 04:16.467 --> 04:17.905 STUCK TO HIS GUNS. I THINK HE BELIEVES STRONGLY NOT 04:17.907 --> 04:20.464 I THINK HE BELIEVES STRONGLY NOT LANGUAGE PEOPLE WANT 04:20.466 --> 04:22.287 LANGUAGE PEOPLE WANT HIM TO USE AND STICK WITH 04:22.290 --> 04:23.248 HIM TO USE AND STICK WITH GENERIC LANGUAGE. 04:23.250 --> 04:24.496 GENERIC LANGUAGE. ISIS THEON'T GIVE 04:24.499 --> 04:26.192 ISIS THEON'T GIVE FIGHT THAT IT WANTS. 04:26.194 --> 04:30.000 FIGHT THAT IT WANTS. CALIPH WANTSLAIMED 04:30.002 --> 04:31.824 CALIPH WANTSLAIMED TO APPEAR TO BE LEADING MUSLIMS 04:31.826 --> 04:34.416 TO APPEAR TO BE LEADING MUSLIMS APOCALYPTIC WAR AGAINST 04:34.418 --> 04:36.174 APOCALYPTIC WAR AGAINST THE WEST AND CHRISTIANITY AND 04:36.177 --> 04:37.968 THE WEST AND CHRISTIANITY AND OBAMA DOESN'T WANT TO PLAY ON 04:37.970 --> 04:38.736 OBAMA DOESN'T WANT TO PLAY ON THOSE TERMS, DOESN'T WANT TO 04:38.738 --> 04:40.656 THOSE TERMS, DOESN'T WANT TO ENHANCE HIS STANDING AND ACCEPT 04:40.658 --> 04:41.008 ENHANCE HIS STANDING AND ACCEPT HIS FRAME. 04:41.010 --> 04:42.735 HIS FRAME. THE OTHER IS THAT WE HAVE TO BE 04:42.738 --> 04:43.536 THE OTHER IS THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT THE 04:43.537 --> 04:44.687 VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT THE PERCEPTION IN THE MUSLIM WORLD 04:44.689 --> 04:47.470 PERCEPTION IN THE MUSLIM WORLD THAT THERE IS SOME DEGREE OF 04:47.473 --> 04:49.519 THAT THERE IS SOME DEGREE OF ANTI-MUSLIM ANIMUS IN THE UNITED 04:49.521 --> 04:51.246 ANTI-MUSLIM ANIMUS IN THE UNITED STATES, THAT IS THERE IS SOME 04:51.249 --> 04:54.095 STATES, THAT IS THERE IS SOME WAR AGAINST MUSLIMS AND 04:54.097 --> 04:55.151 WAR AGAINST MUSLIMS AND THAT AMERICA CARES LESS ABOUT 04:55.153 --> 04:57.294 THAT AMERICA CARES LESS ABOUT TO BOMBIVES, IS QUICKER 04:57.295 --> 04:58.157 TO BOMBIVES, IS QUICKER MUSLIM COUNTRIES. 04:58.160 --> 04:59.118 MUSLIM COUNTRIES. I THINK THAT'S A SENSITIVITY. 04:59.120 --> 05:00.750 I THINK THAT'S A SENSITIVITY. THE THIRD, I THINK THE PRESIDENT 05:00.752 --> 05:02.350 THE THIRD, I THINK THE PRESIDENT BELIEVES SOMETHING 05:02.352 --> 05:04.815 BELIEVES SOMETHING THAT IS STATISTICALLY TRUE WHICH 05:04.816 --> 05:06.734 THAT IS STATISTICALLY TRUE WHICH IS THAT TERRORISM AND VIOLENT 05:06.736 --> 05:08.526 IS THAT TERRORISM AND VIOLENT EXTREMISM IN THIS COUNTRY IS NOT 05:08.528 --> 05:09.453 EXTREMISM IN THIS COUNTRY IS NOT PREDOMINANTLY MUSLIM. 05:09.456 --> 05:10.733 PREDOMINANTLY MUSLIM. WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF TERROR 05:10.734 --> 05:12.430 WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF TERROR BY PEOPLE OF ALL 05:12.431 --> 05:12.749 BY PEOPLE OF ALL STRIPES. 05:12.751 --> 05:14.446 STRIPES. YOU HAVE CHRISTIAN RADICALS, 05:14.448 --> 05:16.653 YOU HAVE CHRISTIAN RADICALS, OBSCURE AGENDAS. 05:16.654 --> 05:18.381 OBSCURE AGENDAS. A GUY WHO FLEW A SMALL PLANE 05:18.383 --> 05:19.213 A GUY WHO FLEW A SMALL PLANE INTO A BUILDING I THINK IN 05:19.216 --> 05:21.069 INTO A BUILDING I THINK IN ARIZONA SEVERAL YEARS AGO. 05:21.071 --> 05:22.221 ARIZONA SEVERAL YEARS AGO. SO A LOT OF THIS EXTREMISM THAT 05:22.223 --> 05:24.012 SO A LOT OF THIS EXTREMISM THAT WE WANT TO TARGET PEOPLE WHO MAY 05:24.015 --> 05:25.836 WE WANT TO TARGET PEOPLE WHO MAY BE STARTING TO LOSE IT, PEOPLE 05:25.838 --> 05:27.692 BE STARTING TO LOSE IT, PEOPLE WHO WE WANT COMMUNITIES TO BE 05:27.695 --> 05:29.676 WHO WE WANT COMMUNITIES TO BE KEEPING AN EYE ON, ARE NOT 05:29.678 --> 05:30.924 KEEPING AN EYE ON, ARE NOT MUSLIM.ILY 05:30.927 --> 05:33.676 MUSLIM.ILY GWEN: NANCY, AT THIS EXTREMELY 05:33.678 --> 05:34.604 GWEN: NANCY, AT THIS EXTREMELY SUMMIT AT THE WHITE HOUSE THIS 05:34.606 --> 05:36.589 SUMMIT AT THE WHITE HOUSE THIS THERE WERE REPRESENTATIVES 05:36.591 --> 05:38.509 THERE WERE REPRESENTATIVES OF COUNTRIES FROM ALL OVER THE 05:38.510 --> 05:38.796 OF COUNTRIES FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. 05:38.798 --> 05:40.491 WORLD. THISID THEY ADDRESS 05:40.494 --> 05:40.812 THISID THEY ADDRESS PROBLEM? 05:40.813 --> 05:43.148 PROBLEM? >> IN THE REGION, THE TERM 05:43.150 --> 05:47.756 >> IN THE REGION, THE TERM THE ARABIC IS DASH, 05:47.757 --> 05:49.195 THE ARABIC IS DASH, ACRONYM FOR ISLAMIC STATE. 05:49.197 --> 05:51.019 ACRONYM FOR ISLAMIC STATE. PEOPLE IN THE SUMMIT WERE 05:51.021 --> 05:52.812 PEOPLE IN THE SUMMIT WERE ASKING FOR A MORE NUANCED 05:52.814 --> 05:53.195 ASKING FOR A MORE NUANCED DISCUSSION. 05:53.197 --> 05:54.986 DISCUSSION. HEAR A LOTON, YOU'LL 05:54.989 --> 05:56.586 HEAR A LOTON, YOU'LL OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE 05:56.589 --> 05:59.499 OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE INTERPRETATION OF ISLAM SO IT'S 05:59.500 --> 06:00.587 INTERPRETATION OF ISLAM SO IT'S INTERESTING THE KIND OF DIALOGUE 06:00.588 --> 06:01.610 INTERESTING THE KIND OF DIALOGUE HAPPENING IN THE REGION. 06:01.611 --> 06:02.506 HAPPENING IN THE REGION. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE NAME OR 06:02.509 --> 06:04.523 IT'S NOT ABOUT THE NAME OR EXTREMIST NOT IT'S 06:04.525 --> 06:06.217 EXTREMIST NOT IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A MUSLIM DOMINATED 06:06.220 --> 06:07.273 BECAUSE IT'S A MUSLIM DOMINATED SOCIETY BUT HOW AND WHO CAN 06:07.276 --> 06:08.171 SOCIETY BUT HOW AND WHO CAN INTERPRET THE FAITH. 06:08.172 --> 06:09.931 INTERPRET THE FAITH. SAW THIS WITH THE KILLING OF 06:09.933 --> 06:13.931 SAW THIS WITH THE KILLING OF THE JORDANNIAN PILOT WHEN KING 06:13.933 --> 06:15.786 THE JORDANNIAN PILOT WHEN KING ABDULLAH CAME OUT AND SAID HE 06:15.788 --> 06:17.098 ABDULLAH CAME OUT AND SAID HE WAS DEFENDING ISLAM, NOT THE 06:17.100 --> 06:17.674 WAS DEFENDING ISLAM, NOT THE TERRORISTS. 06:17.674 --> 06:19.818 TERRORISTS. THIS WITH THE PRESIDENT 06:19.819 --> 06:21.962 THIS WITH THE PRESIDENT OF EGYPT WHEN HE SAID WE NEED TO 06:21.964 --> 06:22.824 OF EGYPT WHEN HE SAID WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO RECLAIM 06:22.827 --> 06:23.753 COME UP WITH A WAY TO RECLAIM FAITH. 06:23.755 --> 06:25.481 FAITH. SO IT'S INTERESTING, HERE WE 06:25.483 --> 06:26.601 SO IT'S INTERESTING, HERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE LANGUAGE AND 06:26.604 --> 06:27.785 TALKED ABOUT THE LANGUAGE AND THERE THEY'RE REALLY TALKING 06:27.787 --> 06:30.409 THERE THEY'RE REALLY TALKING THE RELIGION AND WHO CAN 06:30.410 --> 06:32.360 THE RELIGION AND WHO CAN CLAIM TO OWN ITS MESSAGE. 06:32.363 --> 06:34.377 CLAIM TO OWN ITS MESSAGE. MICHAEL, THIS DEBATE IN THE 06:34.378 --> 06:35.433 MICHAEL, THIS DEBATE IN THE WHITE HOUSE WAS KIND OF TAKEN 06:35.434 --> 06:38.248 WHITE HOUSE WAS KIND OF TAKEN QUESTIONHE SEMANTICS 06:38.250 --> 06:39.241 QUESTIONHE SEMANTICS BUT WHAT WAS ACTUALLY 06:39.242 --> 06:40.201 BUT WHAT WAS ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED WITH THIS MEETING? 06:40.202 --> 06:42.888 ACCOMPLISHED WITH THIS MEETING? >> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD 06:42.889 --> 06:43.240 >> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 06:43.241 --> 06:43.751 QUESTION. VERY LITTLE. 06:43.753 --> 06:45.705 VERY LITTLE. I DON'T THINK YOU'LL SEE BIG 06:45.707 --> 06:46.951 I DON'T THINK YOU'LL SEE BIG POLICY CHANGES COMING OUT OF IT. 06:46.954 --> 06:48.584 POLICY CHANGES COMING OUT OF IT. THE SUMMIT, THERE WAS 06:48.586 --> 06:49.639 THE SUMMIT, THERE WAS SOME REPORTING ABOUT HOW THE 06:49.642 --> 06:51.432 SOME REPORTING ABOUT HOW THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS INCREASING 06:51.433 --> 06:52.583 STATE DEPARTMENT IS INCREASING MEDIAFORTS AT SOCIAL 06:52.585 --> 06:54.343 MEDIAFORTS AT SOCIAL OUTREACH AND TRYING TO PROMOTE 06:54.346 --> 06:56.136 OUTREACH AND TRYING TO PROMOTE MODERATE MESSAGES AND THAT IS 06:56.137 --> 06:58.150 MODERATE MESSAGES AND THAT IS WORTHY AND IMPORTANT 06:58.153 --> 06:59.303 WORTHY AND IMPORTANT MISSION BUT THE DOLLAR FIGURES 06:59.304 --> 07:00.295 MISSION BUT THE DOLLAR FIGURES ARE TRIVIAL AND WHAT YOU'RE 07:00.298 --> 07:02.120 ARE TRIVIAL AND WHAT YOU'RE ISKING ABOUT IS TWEETING 07:02.121 --> 07:04.134 ISKING ABOUT IS TWEETING SENDING LINKS AROUND. 07:04.137 --> 07:05.190 SENDING LINKS AROUND. GWEN: WHICH IS NOT THE HEART OF 07:05.193 --> 07:05.607 GWEN: WHICH IS NOT THE HEART OF THE PROBLEM. 07:05.609 --> 07:06.887 THE PROBLEM. >> IT'S NOT THE HEART OF THE 07:06.888 --> 07:07.846 >> IT'S NOT THE HEART OF THE PROBLEM AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET 07:07.848 --> 07:08.998 PROBLEM AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET MODERATE PREACHERS WITHIN THE 07:09.000 --> 07:10.598 MODERATE PREACHERS WITHIN THE MUSLIM WORLD TO PROMOTE A MORE 07:10.600 --> 07:12.454 MUSLIM WORLD TO PROMOTE A MORE WHICH CAN WORKE 07:12.457 --> 07:15.526 WHICH CAN WORKE TO SOME DEGREE BUT YOU'LL HEAR 07:15.527 --> 07:18.374 TO SOME DEGREE BUT YOU'LL HEAR THAT SOME THAT 07:18.376 --> 07:21.222 THAT SOME THAT ARE LIKELY DOING THATTHAT 07:21.225 --> 07:23.269 ARE LIKELY DOING THATTHAT GROUPS LIKE ISIS ARE FIGHTING. 07:23.272 --> 07:25.254 GROUPS LIKE ISIS ARE FIGHTING. >> NANCY, HOW IS ISIS MILITARILY 07:25.255 --> 07:26.053 >> NANCY, HOW IS ISIS MILITARILY DOING? 07:26.056 --> 07:27.302 DOING? IT SEEMS THEY'RE MAKING GAINS IN 07:27.303 --> 07:27.589 IT SEEMS THEY'RE MAKING GAINS IN IRAQ? 07:27.592 --> 07:29.349 IRAQ? >> WE HEARD FROM THE PENTAGON 07:29.351 --> 07:31.046 >> WE HEARD FROM THE PENTAGON THEM INN TO GO AFTER 07:31.047 --> 07:33.093 THEM INN TO GO AFTER MOSUL, IRAQ'S SECOND BIGGEST 07:33.095 --> 07:33.734 MOSUL, IRAQ'S SECOND BIGGEST CITY, THE PLACE WHERE THE 07:33.735 --> 07:35.013 CITY, THE PLACE WHERE THE COALITION WAS BORN AFTER ISIS 07:35.016 --> 07:36.644 COALITION WAS BORN AFTER ISIS IN AND TAKE THE 07:36.647 --> 07:38.629 IN AND TAKE THE CITY ON JUNE 10 OF LAST YEAR. 07:38.630 --> 07:40.388 CITY ON JUNE 10 OF LAST YEAR. THE PENTAGON SAID THIS WEEK IT 07:40.391 --> 07:43.365 THE PENTAGON SAID THIS WEEK IT WOULD TAKE 25,000 IRAQI AND 07:43.366 --> 07:45.573 WOULD TAKE 25,000 IRAQI AND 2,000H TROOPS TO TAKE ON 07:45.574 --> 07:46.308 2,000H TROOPS TO TAKE ON ISLAMIC STATE FIGHTERS IN A CITY 07:46.311 --> 07:48.133 ISLAMIC STATE FIGHTERS IN A CITY W THEY'RE DEEPLY 07:48.134 --> 07:50.052 W THEY'RE DEEPLY ENTRENCHED, IN WHICH THEY OWN 07:50.055 --> 07:52.004 ENTRENCHED, IN WHICH THEY OWN MOST OF THE LAND, THEY'VE 07:52.005 --> 07:52.997 MOST OF THE LAND, THEY'VE LITERALLY GOT TRENCHES AND 07:52.998 --> 07:55.907 LITERALLY GOT TRENCHES AND TAXES FORTHEY CHARGE 07:55.910 --> 07:56.741 TAXES FORTHEY CHARGE RESIDENTS AND PROVIDE SECURITY 07:56.742 --> 07:57.957 RESIDENTS AND PROVIDE SECURITY SO IT WILL BE THE MOST 07:57.958 --> 07:58.884 SO IT WILL BE THE MOST CHALLENGING BATTLE TO RECLAIM 07:58.885 --> 08:00.643 CHALLENGING BATTLE TO RECLAIM COUNTRY FROM THE ISLAMIC 08:00.646 --> 08:00.931 COUNTRY FROM THE ISLAMIC STATE. 08:00.934 --> 08:02.659 STATE. >> QUICKLY ASK, NORMALLY THE 08:02.660 --> 08:03.491 >> QUICKLY ASK, NORMALLY THE PENTAGON LIKES THE ELEMENT OF 08:03.494 --> 08:04.547 PENTAGON LIKES THE ELEMENT OF SURPRISE. 08:04.550 --> 08:05.571 SURPRISE. WHY ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT THIS 08:05.574 --> 08:05.956 WHY ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT THIS IN ADVANCE? 08:05.956 --> 08:08.355 IN ADVANCE? >> THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT 08:08.358 --> 08:09.539 >> THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WEEK.ES THIS 08:09.540 --> 08:11.236 WEEK.ES THIS ONE IS THAT THEY DIDN'T RELEASE 08:11.237 --> 08:12.195 ONE IS THAT THEY DIDN'T RELEASE ANYTHING TACTICAL. 08:12.197 --> 08:14.178 ANYTHING TACTICAL. THE OTHER IS THAT THEY WANT TO 08:14.181 --> 08:15.235 THE OTHER IS THAT THEY WANT TO LET ISIS KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO 08:15.238 --> 08:16.163 LET ISIS KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO FACE A THREAT. 08:16.165 --> 08:17.378 FACE A THREAT. THE THIRD THEORY IS THAT THEY 08:17.381 --> 08:19.203 THE THIRD THEORY IS THAT THEY IRAQI ARMYOLSTER THE 08:19.204 --> 08:20.803 IRAQI ARMYOLSTER THE AND IRAQI GOVERNMENT AND 08:20.804 --> 08:22.113 AND IRAQI GOVERNMENT AND ENCOURAGE THEM AND LET THEM KNOW 08:22.116 --> 08:23.810 ENCOURAGE THEM AND LET THEM KNOW THEY WERE BACKED BY THE UNITED 08:23.813 --> 08:24.737 THEY WERE BACKED BY THE UNITED STATES AND THAT THEY WERE GOING 08:24.740 --> 08:26.787 STATES AND THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GO IN AND FIGHT AND THIS 08:26.789 --> 08:27.585 TO GO IN AND FIGHT AND THIS WOULD BE A NATIONAL EFFORT TO 08:27.588 --> 08:28.834 WOULD BE A NATIONAL EFFORT TO CITY.M THE 08:28.835 --> 08:29.635 CITY.M THE HINGS I FOUND 08:29.637 --> 08:31.555 HINGS I FOUND INTERESTING ABOUT THE DEBATE 08:31.556 --> 08:32.515 INTERESTING ABOUT THE DEBATE ABOUT THE TERMINOLOGY AND ALSO 08:32.517 --> 08:34.210 ABOUT THE TERMINOLOGY AND ALSO THE CONFERENCE, MICHAEL, 08:34.211 --> 08:36.514 THE CONFERENCE, MICHAEL, WAS THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO 08:36.516 --> 08:38.562 WAS THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO CONVENTIONALAGE OF 08:38.564 --> 08:40.449 CONVENTIONALAGE OF WARFARE IN AN UNCONVENTIONAL WAR 08:40.452 --> 08:43.073 WARFARE IN AN UNCONVENTIONAL WAR AND THAT SEEMS TO BE AT THE ROOT 08:43.076 --> 08:44.129 AND THAT SEEMS TO BE AT THE ROOT OF A LOT OF THE LAYERS OF 08:44.132 --> 08:46.113 OF A LOT OF THE LAYERS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW COMPLICATED 08:46.115 --> 08:48.865 DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW COMPLICATED AND IDEA OF DEGRADING 08:48.867 --> 08:49.345 AND IDEA OF DEGRADING DEFEATING ISIS IS. 08:49.347 --> 08:50.624 DEFEATING ISIS IS. >> YEAH. 08:50.627 --> 08:52.865 >> YEAH. DEPUTY STATE DEPARTMENT 08:52.867 --> 08:55.649 DEPUTY STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESWOMAN GOT IN TROUBLE OR 08:55.650 --> 08:56.415 SPOKESWOMAN GOT IN TROUBLE OR CAUSED CONTROVERSY EARLIER THIS 08:56.418 --> 08:57.665 CAUSED CONTROVERSY EARLIER THIS YOU CAN'TSHE SAID 08:57.667 --> 08:59.296 YOU CAN'TSHE SAID KILL YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS 08:59.297 --> 09:00.641 KILL YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS PROBLEM, WE CAN'T JUST KEEP 09:00.643 --> 09:02.625 PROBLEM, WE CAN'T JUST KEEP SUGGESTEDEM AND SHE 09:02.626 --> 09:03.296 SUGGESTEDEM AND SHE THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND 09:03.298 --> 09:04.385 THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER MEASURES WERE REALLY 09:04.387 --> 09:06.176 OTHER MEASURES WERE REALLY IMPORTANT TO SOLVING THE 09:06.178 --> 09:06.656 IMPORTANT TO SOLVING THE LONG-TERM PROBLEM. 09:06.658 --> 09:08.191 LONG-TERM PROBLEM. IS WHAT WE HEARD 09:08.194 --> 09:09.216 IS WHAT WE HEARD SUSAN RICE AND OTHER PEOPLE AND 09:09.218 --> 09:11.040 SUSAN RICE AND OTHER PEOPLE AND THE PRESIDENT GETTING TO, AS 09:11.042 --> 09:11.328 THE PRESIDENT GETTING TO, AS WELL. 09:11.330 --> 09:13.760 WELL. THAT WAS ALSO A 09:13.761 --> 09:14.880 THAT WAS ALSO A POSITION OF GEORGE W. BUSH AND 09:14.881 --> 09:15.968 POSITION OF GEORGE W. BUSH AND OTHERS IN HIS ADMINISTRATION. 09:15.969 --> 09:17.504 OTHERS IN HIS ADMINISTRATION. CRAZY THING TO SAY. 09:17.505 --> 09:20.574 CRAZY THING TO SAY. IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE MOST 09:20.577 --> 09:22.368 IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE MOST TO FRAME IT BUT 09:22.369 --> 09:23.551 TO FRAME IT BUT IT GOES TO THE IDEA THAT THIS IS 09:23.553 --> 09:25.471 IT GOES TO THE IDEA THAT THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED CONFLICT. 09:25.473 --> 09:26.494 A VERY COMPLICATED CONFLICT. BATTLEFIELDIMPLE 09:26.497 --> 09:31.167 BATTLEFIELDIMPLE BUTE WE MAY RECAPTURE MOSUL 09:31.169 --> 09:32.382 BUTE WE MAY RECAPTURE MOSUL THERE ARE SO MANY ELEMENTS TO IT 09:32.385 --> 09:34.911 THERE ARE SO MANY ELEMENTS TO IT AND IT MAKES FOR A COMPLICATED 09:34.913 --> 09:36.029 AND IT MAKES FOR A COMPLICATED WILLE AND OF COURSE PEOPLE 09:36.032 --> 09:37.631 WILLE AND OF COURSE PEOPLE GET TRIPPED UP IN SEMANTICS AND 09:37.633 --> 09:40.030 GET TRIPPED UP IN SEMANTICS AND WE'LL HAVE PARTISAN CONTROVERSY. 09:40.031 --> 09:42.046 WE'LL HAVE PARTISAN CONTROVERSY. IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, 09:42.048 --> 09:43.742 IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, THEY TRIED TO RENAME SUICIDE 09:43.744 --> 09:46.365 THEY TRIED TO RENAME SUICIDE AS HOMICIDE BOMBING. 09:46.368 --> 09:47.518 AS HOMICIDE BOMBING. THAT DIDN'T STICK, EITHER. 09:47.519 --> 09:48.477 THAT DIDN'T STICK, EITHER. MICHAEL, YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW 09:48.480 --> 09:50.302 MICHAEL, YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW THE MAP OF THE FIGHT IS CHANGING 09:50.303 --> 09:50.718 THE MAP OF THE FIGHT IS CHANGING AND DIFFERENT. 09:50.720 --> 09:52.253 AND DIFFERENT. WAS THERE TALK ABOUT DOMESTIC 09:52.255 --> 09:55.197 WAS THERE TALK ABOUT DOMESTIC U.S. TERRORISM OR LONE WOLVES 09:55.199 --> 09:55.900 U.S. TERRORISM OR LONE WOLVES SHOWING UP IN THE UNITED STATES? 09:55.903 --> 09:58.877 SHOWING UP IN THE UNITED STATES? >> I ACTUALLY THINK THAT, TO ME, 09:58.879 --> 10:02.685 >> I ACTUALLY THINK THAT, TO ME, SLIGHTLY MORE PRACTICALLY 10:02.687 --> 10:05.628 SLIGHTLY MORE PRACTICALLY ADDRESSABLE PROBLEMHE GLOBAL PRO 10:05.631 --> 10:07.581 ADDRESSABLE PROBLEMHE GLOBAL PRO VAST BUT HERE AT HOME, WHAT CAN 10:07.583 --> 10:13.276 VAST BUT HERE AT HOME, WHAT CAN AND INTEGRATE ITS LAW 10:13.277 --> 10:14.621 AND INTEGRATE ITS LAW EFFORTS IN 10:14.623 --> 10:16.219 EFFORTS IN COMMUNITIES THEY THINK ARE 10:16.222 --> 10:17.180 COMMUNITIES THEY THINK ARE VULNERABLE TO THIS KIND OF 10:17.182 --> 10:19.260 VULNERABLE TO THIS KIND OF SORUITMENT BUT IT'S 10:19.261 --> 10:20.252 SORUITMENT BUT IT'S SENSITIVE AND DIFFICULT. 10:20.253 --> 10:21.276 SENSITIVE AND DIFFICULT. WE THINK ABOUT THIS CONFERENCE 10:21.277 --> 10:22.396 WE THINK ABOUT THIS CONFERENCE ATTACKED BY CONSERVATIVES ON THE 10:22.397 --> 10:24.730 ATTACKED BY CONSERVATIVES ON THE NOT USINGSAY YOU'RE 10:24.733 --> 10:26.748 NOT USINGSAY YOU'RE THE RIGHT LANGUAGE. 10:26.749 --> 10:29.690 THE RIGHT LANGUAGE. THERE'S A LOT OF B 10:29.693 --> 10:30.620 THERE'S A LOT OF B CIVIL LIBERTIES GROUPS AND 10:30.621 --> 10:31.996 CIVIL LIBERTIES GROUPS AND MUSLIM GROUPS IN THE UNITED 10:31.998 --> 10:33.531 MUSLIM GROUPS IN THE UNITED STATES SAYING YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY 10:33.533 --> 10:34.715 STATES SAYING YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO CREATE NEW FORMS OF 10:34.716 --> 10:36.763 TRYING TO CREATE NEW FORMS OF SURVEILLANCE AND INFILTRATE OUR 10:36.764 --> 10:39.290 SURVEILLANCE AND INFILTRATE OUR GUISE OFES UNDER THE 10:39.293 --> 10:41.115 GUISE OFES UNDER THE OUTREACH BUT YOU'RE TARGETING 10:41.116 --> 10:44.059 OUTREACH BUT YOU'RE TARGETING SO IT GETSLING US 10:44.061 --> 10:45.274 SO IT GETSLING US COMPLICATED VERY FAST. 10:45.277 --> 10:46.395 COMPLICATED VERY FAST. GWEN: IN THE REGION, ESPECIALLY 10:46.397 --> 10:48.345 GWEN: IN THE REGION, ESPECIALLY BEHEADINGS THAT 10:48.348 --> 10:50.874 BEHEADINGS THAT HAPPENED IN LIBYA, ALONG THE 10:50.876 --> 10:52.729 HAPPENED IN LIBYA, ALONG THE MEDITERRANEAN COAST, A STONE'S 10:52.732 --> 10:54.714 MEDITERRANEAN COAST, A STONE'S THROW FROM ITALY, HAS THIS 10:54.716 --> 10:56.602 THROW FROM ITALY, HAS THIS RADICALIZED OR GOT THE ATTENTION 10:56.604 --> 10:57.882 RADICALIZED OR GOT THE ATTENTION THISUNTRIES WHO THOUGHT 10:57.884 --> 10:58.426 THISUNTRIES WHO THOUGHT WASN'T THEIR PROBLEM? 10:58.428 --> 10:59.450 WASN'T THEIR PROBLEM? >> IT'S INTERESTING, IN THIS 10:59.451 --> 11:01.849 >> IT'S INTERESTING, IN THIS THAT WEREAS EGYPTIANS 11:01.852 --> 11:03.545 THAT WEREAS EGYPTIANS KILLED AND BEFORE THIS, EGYPT 11:03.547 --> 11:05.178 KILLED AND BEFORE THIS, EGYPT WASN'T OFFICIALLY PART OF THE 11:05.180 --> 11:06.873 WASN'T OFFICIALLY PART OF THE COALITION AND THEIR 11:06.874 --> 11:08.184 COALITION AND THEIR ARGUMENT WAS, WE DON'T NEED TO 11:08.187 --> 11:11.384 ARGUMENT WAS, WE DON'T NEED TO IN IRAQE ISLAMIC STATE 11:11.387 --> 11:13.209 IN IRAQE ISLAMIC STATE AND SYRIA, WE HAVE THE ISLAMIC 11:13.211 --> 11:15.033 AND SYRIA, WE HAVE THE ISLAMIC STATE IN THE SINAI, THE EAST AND 11:15.035 --> 11:17.176 STATE IN THE SINAI, THE EAST AND AND FRANKLY, U.S.A., WE 11:17.178 --> 11:18.968 AND FRANKLY, U.S.A., WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT IN THAT FIGHT 11:18.971 --> 11:20.793 NEED YOUR SUPPORT IN THAT FIGHT AND THE U.S. HAS BEEN HESITANT 11:20.794 --> 11:21.945 AND THE U.S. HAS BEEN HESITANT SO WHAT IT REALLY EXPOSED IS THE 11:21.946 --> 11:23.929 SO WHAT IT REALLY EXPOSED IS THE DEBATE OF WHAT DEFINES THE 11:23.931 --> 11:24.759 DEBATE OF WHAT DEFINES THE ISLAMIC STATE. 11:24.762 --> 11:25.849 ISLAMIC STATE. SAY THEED STATES WILL 11:25.850 --> 11:27.064 SAY THEED STATES WILL ISLAMIC STATE IS NOT IN LIBYA 11:27.066 --> 11:27.736 ISLAMIC STATE IS NOT IN LIBYA BECAUSE THESE ARE JUST GROUPS 11:27.737 --> 11:29.528 BECAUSE THESE ARE JUST GROUPS TAKING THE NAME AND INSPIRED BY 11:29.530 --> 11:31.512 TAKING THE NAME AND INSPIRED BY AND AREN'T NECESSARILY 11:31.513 --> 11:32.407 AND AREN'T NECESSARILY MEMBERS BUT -- 11:32.410 --> 11:34.232 MEMBERS BUT -- GWEN: IS THAT A DIFFERENCE 11:34.233 --> 11:35.128 GWEN: IS THAT A DIFFERENCE WITHOUT A DISTINCTION? 11:35.130 --> 11:38.072 WITHOUT A DISTINCTION? BOKO HARAM IS NOT TECHNICALLY 11:38.074 --> 11:39.000 BOKO HARAM IS NOT TECHNICALLY THE ISLAMIC STATE BUT IS 11:39.001 --> 11:40.886 THE ISLAMIC STATE BUT IS BLOODY KINDTHE SAME 11:40.889 --> 11:41.208 BLOODY KINDTHE SAME OF WAY. 11:41.209 --> 11:44.054 OF WAY. >> WHAT CONSTITUTES A CALIPHATE 11:44.057 --> 11:45.783 >> WHAT CONSTITUTES A CALIPHATE THE JEEPTION SAY 11:45.785 --> 11:47.640 THE JEEPTION SAY THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE -- THE 11:47.641 --> 11:48.887 THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE -- THE EGYPTIAN SAY THERE'S NO 11:48.889 --> 11:51.479 EGYPTIAN SAY THERE'S NO WE SAW THE U.S. 11:51.481 --> 11:54.583 WE SAW THE U.S. ASITANCE TO SAY THIS WAS 11:54.584 --> 11:55.478 ASITANCE TO SAY THIS WAS STRIKE AGAINST LIBYA. 11:55.480 --> 11:57.271 STRIKE AGAINST LIBYA. THE U.S. SAYING WE NEED A 11:57.272 --> 12:00.086 THE U.S. SAYING WE NEED A STABILIZESOLUTION TO 12:00.088 --> 12:02.070 STABILIZESOLUTION TO LIBYA, NOT OUTSIDE STATES 12:02.071 --> 12:04.022 LIBYA, NOT OUTSIDE STATES INTERVENING AND THE EGYPTIANS 12:04.024 --> 12:05.814 INTERVENING AND THE EGYPTIANS ARE SAYING WE CANNOT JUST LET IT 12:05.815 --> 12:06.934 ARE SAYING WE CANNOT JUST LET IT GO. 12:06.935 --> 12:08.853 GO. IT'S FASCINATING, THE PUSH-PULL. 12:08.856 --> 12:10.998 IT'S FASCINATING, THE PUSH-PULL. ON ONE HAND WE WANT A DIPLOMATIC 12:11.000 --> 12:14.709 ON ONE HAND WE WANT A DIPLOMATIC DEMOCRACYND LEVERS OF 12:14.712 --> 12:16.501 DEMOCRACYND LEVERS OF AND AT THE SAME TIME, IRAQ AND 12:16.502 --> 12:18.710 AND AT THE SAME TIME, IRAQ AND MEANS.USING MILITARY 12:18.711 --> 12:21.590 MEANS.USING MILITARY GWEN: IS THERE A DIPLOMATIC 12:21.592 --> 12:22.550 GWEN: IS THERE A DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION FOR HOW THE GLOBAL 12:22.551 --> 12:24.244 SOLUTION FOR HOW THE GLOBAL BE HANDLINGOULD 12:24.247 --> 12:24.533 BE HANDLINGOULD THIS? 12:24.534 --> 12:26.261 THIS? >> THERE'S A POLITICAL CONCEPT 12:26.263 --> 12:28.148 >> THERE'S A POLITICAL CONCEPT THAT THE PRESIDENT ARTICULATED. 12:28.151 --> 12:29.075 THAT THE PRESIDENT ARTICULATED. HE ESSENTIALLY SAID ONE OF THE 12:29.078 --> 12:31.989 HE ESSENTIALLY SAID ONE OF THE KEY LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS HERE IS 12:31.991 --> 12:32.884 KEY LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS HERE IS DEMOCRACY, POLITICAL FREEDOM, 12:32.886 --> 12:35.733 DEMOCRACY, POLITICAL FREEDOM, THAT WHEN YOU HAVE REPRESSION, 12:35.735 --> 12:36.597 THAT WHEN YOU HAVE REPRESSION, RADICALISM FESTERS. 12:36.599 --> 12:38.227 RADICALISM FESTERS. AND IT'S INTERESTING 12:38.230 --> 12:38.868 AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THERE'S A SCHOOL OF 12:38.871 --> 12:39.892 BECAUSE THERE'S A SCHOOL OF THOUGHT THAT SAYS ACTUALLY WHAT 12:39.894 --> 12:41.427 THOUGHT THAT SAYS ACTUALLY WHAT YOU NEED IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS 12:41.430 --> 12:43.508 YOU NEED IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS STRONG M LIKE 12:43.510 --> 12:47.219 STRONG M LIKE THEM BUT PEOPLE ARE NOSTALGIC 12:47.221 --> 12:48.403 THEM BUT PEOPLE ARE NOSTALGIC FOR GADDAFI AND SADDAM. 12:48.406 --> 12:50.259 FOR GADDAFI AND SADDAM. BUT THE PRESIDENT REALLY 12:50.260 --> 12:51.411 BUT THE PRESIDENT REALLY REINFORCED THAT MESSAGE THAT 12:51.413 --> 12:52.979 REINFORCED THAT MESSAGE THAT NOT THE ANSWER BECAUSE 12:52.981 --> 12:54.451 NOT THE ANSWER BECAUSE THAT CAN STABILIZE IN THE SHORT 12:54.452 --> 12:55.284 THAT CAN STABILIZE IN THE SHORT TERM BUT IN THE LONG TERM 12:55.286 --> 12:57.812 TERM BUT IN THE LONG TERM RESENTMENT AND 12:57.812 --> 12:58.963 RESENTMENT AND RADICALISM. 12:58.965 --> 12:59.571 RADICALISM. GWEN: THANK YOU BOTH. 12:59.573 --> 13:00.691 GWEN: THANK YOU BOTH. NOW TO THE COURTS. 13:00.693 --> 13:02.675 NOW TO THE COURTS. JUDGE IN TEXAS SET THE 13:02.676 --> 13:03.795 JUDGE IN TEXAS SET THE STAGE THIS WEEK FOR THE NEXT 13:03.797 --> 13:04.883 STAGE THIS WEEK FOR THE NEXT CHALLENGE TO THE PRESIDENT'S 13:04.885 --> 13:05.683 CHALLENGE TO THE PRESIDENT'S EXECUTIVE POWER. 13:05.685 --> 13:07.667 EXECUTIVE POWER. HAND, MR. OBAMA'S 13:07.669 --> 13:09.619 HAND, MR. OBAMA'S DECISION TO EXPAND PROTECTIONS 13:09.620 --> 13:11.730 DECISION TO EXPAND PROTECTIONS UNDOCUMENTEDOF 13:11.732 --> 13:12.274 UNDOCUMENTEDOF IMMIGRANTS. 13:12.276 --> 13:14.322 IMMIGRANTS. THE TECHNIQUE, ARGUING AGAINST 13:14.323 --> 13:15.729 THE TECHNIQUE, ARGUING AGAINST THE ADMINISTRATIVE UNDERPINNING 13:15.732 --> 13:17.202 THE ADMINISTRATIVE UNDERPINNING THE PRESIDENT'S PLAN. 13:17.204 --> 13:18.353 THE PRESIDENT'S PLAN. THE RESULT, A DELAY FOR THE 13:18.356 --> 13:20.049 THE RESULT, A DELAY FOR THE PROGRAM THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO 13:20.051 --> 13:21.170 PROGRAM THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO WEEK.ECT THIS 13:21.171 --> 13:23.953 WEEK.ECT THIS PETE, WHAT WAS THE JUDGE'S 13:23.954 --> 13:24.304 PETE, WHAT WAS THE JUDGE'S REASONING? 13:24.307 --> 13:25.777 REASONING? >> HE SAID THE GOVERNMENT WENT 13:25.779 --> 13:27.729 >> HE SAID THE GOVERNMENT WENT TOO THAT IT WAS MAKING THE 13:27.730 --> 13:28.882 TOO THAT IT WAS MAKING THE LAW INSTEAD OF APPLYING IT. 13:28.883 --> 13:29.553 LAW INSTEAD OF APPLYING IT. THE ADMINISTRATION'S ARGUMENT 13:29.555 --> 13:31.473 THE ADMINISTRATION'S ARGUMENT THAT IT WAS MERELY 13:31.474 --> 13:33.456 THAT IT WAS MERELY SETTING ENFORCEMENT PRIORITIES, 13:33.459 --> 13:34.512 SETTING ENFORCEMENT PRIORITIES, THAT IT WAS LETTING THESE 13:34.515 --> 13:36.369 THAT IT WAS LETTING THESE ADULTS STAY IF THEY 13:36.370 --> 13:37.425 ADULTS STAY IF THEY HAD CHILDREN WHO WERE IN THE 13:37.426 --> 13:39.344 HAD CHILDREN WHO WERE IN THE UNITED STATES LEGALLY, BUT WHAT 13:39.347 --> 13:41.265 UNITED STATES LEGALLY, BUT WHAT JUDGE SAID -- AND THEY SAID, 13:41.267 --> 13:42.512 JUDGE SAID -- AND THEY SAID, BY THE WAY, THEY HAD TO DO THIS 13:42.515 --> 13:46.928 BY THE WAY, THEY HAD TO DO THIS LIMITEDTHEY HAVE 13:46.929 --> 13:48.208 LIMITEDTHEY HAVE RESOURCES AND THEY WANTED TO 13:48.210 --> 13:50.095 RESOURCES AND THEY WANTED TO WERE THEPEOPLE WHO 13:50.098 --> 13:52.816 WERE THEPEOPLE WHO BIGGEST CONCERNS, CRIMINALS OR 13:52.818 --> 13:53.199 BIGGEST CONCERNS, CRIMINALS OR TERRORISTS. 13:53.202 --> 13:55.056 TERRORISTS. THE GOVERNMENT 13:55.057 --> 13:56.688 THE GOVERNMENT ISN'T TURNING ITS BACK ON PEOPLE 13:56.688 --> 13:59.856 ISN'T TURNING ITS BACK ON PEOPLE AFFIRMATIVELY 13:59.858 --> 14:01.294 AFFIRMATIVELY REACHING OUT TO THEM, SAYING YOU 14:01.297 --> 14:02.672 REACHING OUT TO THEM, SAYING YOU WILL NOT BE DEPORTED FOR THE 14:02.673 --> 14:04.526 WILL NOT BE DEPORTED FOR THE THEMTHREE YEARS, ALLOWING 14:04.529 --> 14:05.423 THEMTHREE YEARS, ALLOWING TO GET SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, 14:05.425 --> 14:07.118 TO GET SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, ALLOWING THEM TO GET WORK 14:07.121 --> 14:09.104 ALLOWING THEM TO GET WORK PERMITS AND THAT CHANGES THEIR 14:09.104 --> 14:09.423 PERMITS AND THAT CHANGES THEIR STATUS. 14:09.425 --> 14:10.543 STATUS. THE ADMINISTRATION'S OPPONENTS 14:10.544 --> 14:15.982 THE ADMINISTRATION'S OPPONENTS HAD CLAIMED THIS IS 14:15.984 --> 14:16.719 HAD CLAIMED THIS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, THAT THE 14:16.721 --> 14:18.925 UNCONSTITUTIONAL, THAT THE THEYDENT WENT TOO FAR AND 14:18.928 --> 14:20.014 THEYDENT WENT TOO FAR AND HOPED THE JUDGE WOULD BASE HIS 14:20.017 --> 14:21.613 HOPED THE JUDGE WOULD BASE HIS RULING ON THAT BUT HE DIDN'T GO 14:21.616 --> 14:21.966 RULING ON THAT BUT HE DIDN'T GO THAT FAR. 14:21.968 --> 14:23.661 THAT FAR. STAYID THE REASON HE PUT A 14:23.664 --> 14:25.550 STAYID THE REASON HE PUT A ON IT IS BECAUSE IT'S A RULE 14:25.551 --> 14:26.638 ON IT IS BECAUSE IT'S A RULE CHANGE AND WHEN YOU CHANGE 14:26.639 --> 14:29.358 CHANGE AND WHEN YOU CHANGE TO SEEK PUBLIC 14:29.359 --> 14:31.406 TO SEEK PUBLIC COMMENT AND NOTICE FOR COMMENT, 14:31.408 --> 14:33.070 COMMENT AND NOTICE FOR COMMENT, VERY MUCH A TECHNICALITY. 14:33.070 --> 14:35.885 VERY MUCH A TECHNICALITY. AND THAT IS WHY HE PUT IT ON 14:35.887 --> 14:37.902 AND THAT IS WHY HE PUT IT ON HOLD UNTIL THE WHOLE CASE IS 14:37.903 --> 14:38.861 HOLD UNTIL THE WHOLE CASE IS WORKED OUT. 14:38.864 --> 14:40.141 WORKED OUT. GWEN: I THOUGHT THE WHITE HOUSE 14:40.143 --> 14:41.838 GWEN: I THOUGHT THE WHITE HOUSE WAS CASUAL IN THEIR REACTION TO 14:41.839 --> 14:42.125 WAS CASUAL IN THEIR REACTION TO THIS. 14:42.126 --> 14:42.956 THIS. THIS ANDNG TO APPEAL 14:42.958 --> 14:44.108 THIS ANDNG TO APPEAL WE SAW THIS COMING BECAUSE OF 14:44.110 --> 14:44.940 WE SAW THIS COMING BECAUSE OF WHO THIS JUDGE IS. 14:44.943 --> 14:46.636 WHO THIS JUDGE IS. >> THERE IS SOMETHING TO THAT. 14:46.639 --> 14:49.613 >> THERE IS SOMETHING TO THAT. DID SEEM A LITTLE BIT OF 14:49.614 --> 14:50.413 DID SEEM A LITTLE BIT OF FORUM SHOPPING AND GOING TO A 14:50.415 --> 14:55.373 FORUM SHOPPING AND GOING TO A JUDGE WHO IS IN SOUTHHAS HAD ITH 14:55.375 --> 14:56.299 JUDGE WHO IS IN SOUTHHAS HAD ITH IMMIGRATION PROBLEMS AND I DON'T 14:56.301 --> 14:57.452 IMMIGRATION PROBLEMS AND I DON'T THEY THEY WERE SURPRISED 14:57.454 --> 15:00.941 THEY THEY WERE SURPRISED GOT THIS RULING OUT OF HIM AND 15:00.942 --> 15:04.267 GOT THIS RULING OUT OF HIM AND KNEW WHATEVER WASED BY ONE 15:04.270 --> 15:05.291 KNEW WHATEVER WASED BY ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER ANYWAY. 15:05.293 --> 15:08.044 SIDE OR THE OTHER ANYWAY. FORUM IS DOING THE 15:08.046 --> 15:08.396 FORUM IS DOING THE SHOPPING? 15:08.397 --> 15:09.868 SHOPPING? >> THERE WERE 26 STATES WHO 15:09.870 --> 15:11.754 >> THERE WERE 26 STATES WHO FILED THIS LAWSUIT. 15:11.757 --> 15:12.748 FILED THIS LAWSUIT. INTERESTINGLY, THE JUDGE SAID 15:12.749 --> 15:14.602 INTERESTINGLY, THE JUDGE SAID ONLY ONE OF THEM ACTUALLY HAVE 15:14.604 --> 15:16.748 ONLY ONE OF THEM ACTUALLY HAVE BRINGANDING, THE RIGHT TO 15:16.749 --> 15:19.370 BRINGANDING, THE RIGHT TO THIS LAWSUIT AND THAT WAS TEXAS. 15:19.373 --> 15:21.834 THIS LAWSUIT AND THAT WAS TEXAS. BASICALLY THAT THE 15:21.837 --> 15:25.259 BASICALLY THAT THE PROBLEM FOR TEXAS IS THEY WILL 15:25.260 --> 15:28.298 PROBLEM FOR TEXAS IS THEY WILL BE ISSUING DRIVER'S LICENSES TO 15:28.300 --> 15:30.858 BE ISSUING DRIVER'S LICENSES TO THATHESE NEW PEOPLE AND 15:30.859 --> 15:33.098 THATHESE NEW PEOPLE AND COSTS TEXAS A LOT OF MONEY. 15:33.099 --> 15:34.090 COSTS TEXAS A LOT OF MONEY. GWEN: SO THIS RULING IS NARROWER 15:34.092 --> 15:35.147 GWEN: SO THIS RULING IS NARROWER LOOKED? 15:35.148 --> 15:35.818 LOOKED? >> YES. 15:35.820 --> 15:36.937 >> YES. HE SAID MAYBE THE OTHER STATES 15:36.940 --> 15:37.866 HE SAID MAYBE THE OTHER STATES HAVE STANDING, I'M NOT GOING TO 15:37.867 --> 15:38.697 HAVE STANDING, I'M NOT GOING TO GET TO THAT. 15:38.699 --> 15:40.714 GET TO THAT. THAT FOR SURE TEXAS 15:40.715 --> 15:42.857 THAT FOR SURE TEXAS HAS STANDINGUE. 15:42.860 --> 15:44.809 HAS STANDINGUE. THE RULING.BASIS OF 15:44.810 --> 15:46.410 THE RULING.BASIS OF >> YOU DESCRIBED A LOT OF LEGAL 15:46.412 --> 15:47.561 >> YOU DESCRIBED A LOT OF LEGAL TWISTS AND TURNS. 15:47.564 --> 15:51.337 TWISTS AND TURNS. WHAT DOES THIS THINK THINGS STAD 15:51.338 --> 15:51.913 WHAT DOES THIS THINK THINGS STAD IN TERMS OF THE APPEAL? 15:51.915 --> 15:53.449 IN TERMS OF THE APPEAL? >> I WOULD SAY THE NEXT FEW DAYS 15:53.450 --> 15:56.105 >> I WOULD SAY THE NEXT FEW DAYS WILL GO TO THE 15:56.106 --> 15:57.000 WILL GO TO THE FIFTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS 15:57.002 --> 15:58.185 FIFTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS IN LOUISIANA AND ASK FOR AN 15:58.187 --> 15:59.337 IN LOUISIANA AND ASK FOR AN ON THE JUDGE'S 15:59.339 --> 16:00.937 ON THE JUDGE'S RULING SO IT'S A BLOCK OF THE 16:00.938 --> 16:01.223 RULING SO IT'S A BLOCK OF THE BLOCK. 16:01.225 --> 16:02.825 BLOCK. THE THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THE LAW 16:02.827 --> 16:04.073 THE THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THE LAW EFFECT. INTO 16:04.073 --> 16:06.696 EFFECT. INTO IT WAS JUST THIS PAST WEEK WHEN 16:06.698 --> 16:09.097 IT WAS JUST THIS PAST WEEK WHEN REGISTERING START 16:09.098 --> 16:09.671 REGISTERING START FOR THE PROGRAM AND THE 16:09.674 --> 16:10.760 FOR THE PROGRAM AND THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO GET THIS 16:10.762 --> 16:11.560 ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO GET THIS GOING. 16:11.561 --> 16:12.712 GOING. GWEN: HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WE 16:12.713 --> 16:13.127 GWEN: HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? 16:13.129 --> 16:15.336 TALKING ABOUT? POTENTIALLY THREE OR FOUR 16:15.338 --> 16:16.551 POTENTIALLY THREE OR FOUR MILLION PEOPLE THIS COULD 16:16.554 --> 16:19.176 MILLION PEOPLE THIS COULD POTENTIALLY COVER AND LITTLE 16:19.177 --> 16:21.127 POTENTIALLY COVER AND LITTLE NOTICED, THE OTHER PART OF THE 16:21.129 --> 16:22.568 NOTICED, THE OTHER PART OF THE JUDGE'S RULING WAS OTHER PART OF 16:22.569 --> 16:24.935 JUDGE'S RULING WAS OTHER PART OF IMMIGRATION PROGRAM, 16:24.937 --> 16:26.855 IMMIGRATION PROGRAM, EXPANDING THE ORIGINAL DREAM ACT 16:26.857 --> 16:28.967 EXPANDING THE ORIGINAL DREAM ACT COVER MORE PEOPLE. 16:28.969 --> 16:30.791 COVER MORE PEOPLE. THE JUDGE PUT A HOLD ON THAT AND 16:30.793 --> 16:31.815 THE JUDGE PUT A HOLD ON THAT AND THERE WERE ALSO APPLICATIONS FOR 16:31.817 --> 16:32.903 THERE WERE ALSO APPLICATIONS FOR WANTS TOHE GOVERNMENT 16:32.904 --> 16:34.151 WANTS TOHE GOVERNMENT GET THAT GOING AGAIN AND HOPE 16:34.152 --> 16:35.719 GET THAT GOING AGAIN AND HOPE THEY CAN GET THE FIFTH CIRCUIT 16:35.720 --> 16:38.566 THEY CAN GET THE FIFTH CIRCUIT LET THIS GO ON WHILE 16:38.568 --> 16:39.206 LET THIS GO ON WHILE THE LEGAL FIGHT CONTINUES. 16:39.209 --> 16:41.286 THE LEGAL FIGHT CONTINUES. >> IS THERE ANY CONSENSUS AMONG 16:41.288 --> 16:43.270 >> IS THERE ANY CONSENSUS AMONG CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLARS AND 16:43.271 --> 16:44.517 CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLARS AND LEGAL GEEKS ABOUT HOW SOLID THIS 16:44.519 --> 16:46.054 LEGAL GEEKS ABOUT HOW SOLID THIS RULING IS? 16:46.056 --> 16:48.326 RULING IS? THE HOLES ARE THEY MIGHT 16:48.327 --> 16:50.054 THE HOLES ARE THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO POKE? 16:50.056 --> 16:53.126 BE ABLE TO POKE? LEGAL SCHOLARS HAVE BEEN 16:53.128 --> 16:53.702 LEGAL SCHOLARS HAVE BEEN CRITICAL OF THE OPINION. 16:53.703 --> 16:54.854 CRITICAL OF THE OPINION. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS OF 16:54.855 --> 16:55.782 ONE OF THE PROBLEMS OF IMMIGRATION LAW AND THE 16:55.784 --> 16:57.126 IMMIGRATION LAW AND THE LAW HAS BEENF THE 16:57.127 --> 16:57.925 LAW HAS BEENF THE THE PROVINCE OF THE FEDERAL 16:57.926 --> 16:58.981 THE PROVINCE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE STATES REALLY 16:58.983 --> 17:01.765 GOVERNMENT AND THE STATES REALLY OR'T HAVE MUCH WHEREWITHAL 17:01.767 --> 17:02.469 OR'T HAVE MUCH WHEREWITHAL LEGAL RIGHT TO CHALLENGE IT. 17:02.471 --> 17:04.549 LEGAL RIGHT TO CHALLENGE IT. IT WOULD BE A LITTLE LIKE STATES 17:04.551 --> 17:07.525 IT WOULD BE A LITTLE LIKE STATES GOING TO COURT TO CHALLENGE THE 17:07.527 --> 17:08.229 GOING TO COURT TO CHALLENGE THE ADMINISTRATION'S FOREIGN POLICY. 17:08.231 --> 17:09.572 ADMINISTRATION'S FOREIGN POLICY. SO THAT IS A POTENTIAL PROBLEM 17:09.575 --> 17:12.133 SO THAT IS A POTENTIAL PROBLEM THEORYD THEN THIS WHOLE 17:12.135 --> 17:14.244 THEORYD THEN THIS WHOLE ABOUT THE NOTICE AND COMMENT 17:14.246 --> 17:17.220 ABOUT THE NOTICE AND COMMENT ROCK SOLID,OT BE 17:17.222 --> 17:17.540 ROCK SOLID,OT BE EITHER. 17:17.542 --> 17:19.204 EITHER. GWEN: DOES IT INADVERTENTLY 17:19.206 --> 17:21.156 GWEN: DOES IT INADVERTENTLY BROADERTHE BASIS FOR A 17:21.158 --> 17:22.116 BROADERTHE BASIS FOR A CHALLENGE FOR THE PRESIDENT'S 17:22.118 --> 17:23.908 CHALLENGE FOR THE PRESIDENT'S EXECUTIVE ACTION WHICH IS REALLY 17:23.910 --> 17:25.924 EXECUTIVE ACTION WHICH IS REALLY WHAT HIS CRITICS AND 17:25.926 --> 17:26.596 WHAT HIS CRITICS AND CONSERVATIVE SCHOLARS WANT TO 17:26.598 --> 17:26.852 CONSERVATIVE SCHOLARS WANT TO DO? 17:26.854 --> 17:27.715 DO? >> THIS FIGHT THIS WEEK WAS JUST 17:27.717 --> 17:28.772 >> THIS FIGHT THIS WEEK WAS JUST ABOUT AN INJUNCTION. 17:28.774 --> 17:30.564 ABOUT AN INJUNCTION. THE LAWSUIT ITSELF, THE 17:30.565 --> 17:32.388 THE LAWSUIT ITSELF, THE STRAIGHT-UP ATTACK ON THE 17:32.389 --> 17:34.372 STRAIGHT-UP ATTACK ON THE PRESIDENT'S CONSTITUTIONABILITY, 17:34.374 --> 17:35.363 PRESIDENT'S CONSTITUTIONABILITY, IS STILL PENDING. 17:35.365 --> 17:37.347 IS STILL PENDING. SO THE JUDGE HAS YET TO RULE ON 17:37.349 --> 17:38.179 SO THE JUDGE HAS YET TO RULE ON THAT. 17:38.181 --> 17:39.427 THAT. LET'S FACE IT, THERE WILL BE 17:39.429 --> 17:40.419 LET'S FACE IT, THERE WILL BE AND THISSUITS 17:40.421 --> 17:42.147 AND THISSUITS EVENTUALLY WILL REACH THE 17:42.149 --> 17:43.139 EVENTUALLY WILL REACH THE SUPREME COURT. 17:43.141 --> 17:43.715 SUPREME COURT. GWEN: THANKS, PETE. 17:43.717 --> 17:44.418 GWEN: THANKS, PETE. THERE ARE MANY STICKY QUESTIONS 17:44.421 --> 17:46.914 THERE ARE MANY STICKY QUESTIONS ANSWERED BEFORE THE 2016 17:46.916 --> 17:47.938 ANSWERED BEFORE THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CONTEST GETS INTO 17:47.940 --> 17:49.987 PRESIDENTIAL CONTEST GETS INTO SCOTTWING, LIKE WHAT DOES 17:49.988 --> 17:51.074 SCOTTWING, LIKE WHAT DOES WALKER REALLY THINK ABOUT RUDY 17:51.075 --> 17:51.618 WALKER REALLY THINK ABOUT RUDY GIULIANI? 17:51.620 --> 17:53.953 GIULIANI? OR HOW WILL THE DEMOCRATS MANAGE 17:53.956 --> 17:54.497 OR HOW WILL THE DEMOCRATS MANAGE BILL CLINTON? 17:54.500 --> 17:56.450 BILL CLINTON? WHAT DOES BARBARA BUSH REALLY 17:56.451 --> 17:57.378 WHAT DOES BARBARA BUSH REALLY THINK ABOUT JEB? 17:57.380 --> 17:59.458 THINK ABOUT JEB? SATFORMER FLORIDA GOVERNOR 17:59.460 --> 18:02.210 SATFORMER FLORIDA GOVERNOR TO TACKLE AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE 18:02.212 --> 18:04.322 TO TACKLE AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE HISTIONS THIS 18:04.324 --> 18:05.569 HISTIONS THIS FIRST BIG PRE-CAMPAIGN FOREIGN 18:05.571 --> 18:06.242 FIRST BIG PRE-CAMPAIGN FOREIGN POLICY SPEECH. 18:06.244 --> 18:09.217 POLICY SPEECH. LOVEST FOR THE LOVE MY BROTHERI 18:09.219 --> 18:10.977 LOVEST FOR THE LOVE MY BROTHERI MY DAD, AND I ADMIRE THEIR 18:10.979 --> 18:11.970 MY DAD, AND I ADMIRE THEIR SERVICE TO THE NATION AND THE 18:11.971 --> 18:12.800 SERVICE TO THE NATION AND THE DIFFICULT DECISIONS THAT THEY 18:12.803 --> 18:13.793 DIFFICULT DECISIONS THAT THEY HAD TO MAKE. 18:13.795 --> 18:15.681 HAD TO MAKE. BUT I'M MY OWN MAN AND MY VIEWS 18:15.683 --> 18:17.568 BUT I'M MY OWN MAN AND MY VIEWS ARE SHAPED BY MY OWN THINKING 18:17.571 --> 18:20.832 ARE SHAPED BY MY OWN THINKING OWN EXPERIENCES. 18:20.835 --> 18:21.665 OWN EXPERIENCES. GWEN: CLEARLY THIS DECLARATION 18:21.667 --> 18:23.392 GWEN: CLEARLY THIS DECLARATION HAPPENED FOR A REASON. 18:23.394 --> 18:24.511 HAPPENED FOR A REASON. WHAT IT WAS, JOHN? 18:24.514 --> 18:27.200 WHAT IT WAS, JOHN? >> I LIFE MY BROTHER AND MY DAD, 18:27.202 --> 18:28.608 >> I LIFE MY BROTHER AND MY DAD, MINE, AS WELL. 18:28.610 --> 18:30.176 MINE, AS WELL. >> USUALLY IN POLITICS WHEN YOU 18:30.178 --> 18:32.224 >> USUALLY IN POLITICS WHEN YOU HAVE TO DECLARE YOU'RE YOUR OWN 18:32.226 --> 18:34.880 HAVE TO DECLARE YOU'RE YOUR OWN A PROBLEM BECAUSE 18:34.882 --> 18:40.735 A PROBLEM BECAUSE A PUPPET STRINGS BUTHERE'S 18:40.737 --> 18:42.720 A PUPPET STRINGS BUTHERE'S IN THIS CASE HIS FATHER AND 18:42.721 --> 18:43.680 IN THIS CASE HIS FATHER AND BROTHER WERE PRESIDENTS AND HE'S 18:43.681 --> 18:45.535 BROTHER WERE PRESIDENTS AND HE'S TRYING TO RUSH OUT FROM UNDER 18:45.537 --> 18:48.543 TRYING TO RUSH OUT FROM UNDER SHADOWS. 18:48.545 --> 18:49.183 SHADOWS. PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH IS 18:49.185 --> 18:50.431 PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH IS STILL NOT POPULAR AND THE IRAQ 18:50.432 --> 18:52.319 STILL NOT POPULAR AND THE IRAQ WAR WITH WHICH HE'S ASSOCIATED 18:52.321 --> 18:53.183 WAR WITH WHICH HE'S ASSOCIATED IS UNPOPULAR. 18:53.185 --> 18:56.542 IS UNPOPULAR. THINKEOPLE DON'T WANT TO 18:56.544 --> 18:57.502 THINKEOPLE DON'T WANT TO PEOPLE ARE SKATING INTO THE 18:57.504 --> 18:59.166 PEOPLE ARE SKATING INTO THE WHITE HOUSE ON A FAMOUS NAME AND 18:59.168 --> 19:01.150 WHITE HOUSE ON A FAMOUS NAME AND JEB BUSH WANTS TO RATTLE PEOPLE 19:01.152 --> 19:02.366 JEB BUSH WANTS TO RATTLE PEOPLE AND SAY, PAY ATTENTION, BECAUSE 19:02.368 --> 19:03.903 AND SAY, PAY ATTENTION, BECAUSE IN THE END PEOPLE GET EXCITED 19:03.904 --> 19:04.990 IN THE END PEOPLE GET EXCITED ABOUT IDEAS AND A MESSAGE. 19:04.991 --> 19:08.254 ABOUT IDEAS AND A MESSAGE. IF LINE, THERE'S NOTHING FOR 19:08.255 --> 19:09.886 IF LINE, THERE'S NOTHING FOR THEM TO PUT THEIR HOOKS IN SO 19:09.888 --> 19:12.638 THEM TO PUT THEIR HOOKS IN SO THEM, AWAKEN THEM, SAY, 19:12.640 --> 19:14.718 THEM, AWAKEN THEM, SAY, I'M MY OWN MAN, LISTEN TO ME. 19:14.720 --> 19:15.485 I'M MY OWN MAN, LISTEN TO ME. GWEN: DOES HILLARY CLINTON HAVE 19:15.487 --> 19:16.444 GWEN: DOES HILLARY CLINTON HAVE DO THE SAME THING IN A 19:16.447 --> 19:17.342 DO THE SAME THING IN A DIFFERENT WAY? 19:17.344 --> 19:18.654 DIFFERENT WAY? IF PEOPLE ARE TRULY -- WHAT 19:18.656 --> 19:20.605 IF PEOPLE ARE TRULY -- WHAT THAT PEOPLE HERE IS 19:20.607 --> 19:23.358 THAT PEOPLE HERE IS ARE EXHAUSTED BY THE DYNASTIC 19:23.359 --> 19:24.413 ARE EXHAUSTED BY THE DYNASTIC NATURE OF THIS CAMPAIGN? 19:24.415 --> 19:25.757 NATURE OF THIS CAMPAIGN? HAS A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS. 19:25.759 --> 19:27.005 HAS A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS. SHE HAS THE SHADOW OF HER 19:27.007 --> 19:28.861 SHE HAS THE SHADOW OF HER HUSBAND SHE HAS TO DEAL WITH AND 19:28.863 --> 19:30.844 HUSBAND SHE HAS TO DEAL WITH AND ATTACHMENT TO THE 19:30.846 --> 19:31.933 ATTACHMENT TO THE EXISTING WHITE HOUSE WHICH HAS 19:31.935 --> 19:33.724 EXISTING WHITE HOUSE WHICH HAS ITS OWN COMPLEXITY, PARTICULARLY 19:33.726 --> 19:35.100 ITS OWN COMPLEXITY, PARTICULARLY HAS A LOT OFLICY, 19:35.102 --> 19:36.029 HAS A LOT OFLICY, COMPLEXITY BECAUSE SHE HAS TO 19:36.030 --> 19:38.652 COMPLEXITY BECAUSE SHE HAS TO ANSWER FOR A COMPLICATED WORLD 19:38.654 --> 19:39.995 ANSWER FOR A COMPLICATED WORLD HEARD FROM JEB BUSH 19:39.998 --> 19:43.516 HEARD FROM JEB BUSH IN THIS SPEECH WAS, A LOT OF 19:43.517 --> 19:43.836 IN THIS SPEECH WAS, A LOT OF CLARITY. 19:43.838 --> 19:44.700 CLARITY. STRONG.NEEDS TO BE 19:44.702 --> 19:46.396 STRONG.NEEDS TO BE THE IT NEEDS TO DO WHAT IT SAYS, 19:46.398 --> 19:49.276 THE IT NEEDS TO DO WHAT IT SAYS, IT NEEDS STRONG ALLIANCES, IT 19:49.278 --> 19:50.299 IT NEEDS STRONG ALLIANCES, IT NEEDS A STRONG ECONOMY WITH 4% 19:50.301 --> 19:53.243 NEEDS A STRONG ECONOMY WITH 4% GROWTH THAT HANDLES ENTITLEMENTS 19:53.245 --> 19:55.931 GROWTH THAT HANDLES ENTITLEMENTS HANDLES DEFENSE AND 19:55.933 --> 19:56.730 HANDLES DEFENSE AND RESEARCH. 19:56.733 --> 19:58.907 RESEARCH. THIS SPEECH HAD EVERYTHING FOR 19:58.909 --> 19:59.771 THIS SPEECH HAD EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE IN IT AND IF YOU 19:59.773 --> 20:00.699 EVERYONE IN IT AND IF YOU CAMPAIGN, REPUBLICANS IN THE 20:00.700 --> 20:02.939 CAMPAIGN, REPUBLICANS IN THE POLLS, PEOPLE THINK REPUBLICANS 20:02.941 --> 20:03.899 POLLS, PEOPLE THINK REPUBLICANS POLICYDLE FOREIGN 20:03.901 --> 20:04.218 POLICYDLE FOREIGN BETTER. 20:04.221 --> 20:05.723 BETTER. IF YOU SAY I CAN SOLVE THE 20:05.725 --> 20:06.427 IF YOU SAY I CAN SOLVE THE WORLD, HILLARY CLINTON IS STUCK 20:06.429 --> 20:08.506 WORLD, HILLARY CLINTON IS STUCK WITH THE MESSY WORLD THAT SHE 20:08.509 --> 20:09.594 WITH THE MESSY WORLD THAT SHE WAS A PART OF TRYING TO FIX AS 20:09.596 --> 20:10.491 WAS A PART OF TRYING TO FIX AS SECRETARY OF STATE. 20:10.493 --> 20:11.770 SECRETARY OF STATE. >> HOW IS HE DIFFERENT FROM HIS 20:11.772 --> 20:12.090 >> HOW IS HE DIFFERENT FROM HIS BROTHER? 20:12.092 --> 20:15.322 BROTHER? SPEECH, ON THIS 20:15.324 --> 20:15.993 SPEECH, ON THIS INDISTINGUISHABLE, BECAUSE THE 20:15.996 --> 20:17.242 INDISTINGUISHABLE, BECAUSE THE SPEECH WAS A VERY VAGUE SPEECH. 20:17.244 --> 20:18.394 SPEECH WAS A VERY VAGUE SPEECH. A CAMPAIGN. IN 20:18.396 --> 20:20.986 A CAMPAIGN. IN HE'S NOT GOING TO LAY OUT HIS 20:20.988 --> 20:21.434 HE'S NOT GOING TO LAY OUT HIS FIVE-POINT PLAN. 20:21.436 --> 20:23.226 FIVE-POINT PLAN. PRINCIPLESBOUT SOME 20:23.228 --> 20:24.922 PRINCIPLESBOUT SOME BUT THEY WERE GENERALLY 20:24.924 --> 20:25.626 BUT THEY WERE GENERALLY SOMETHING EVERYBODY WOULD LOVE 20:25.627 --> 20:26.777 SOMETHING EVERYBODY WOULD LOVE AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPEECH, 20:26.779 --> 20:28.697 AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPEECH, IS INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM HIS 20:28.699 --> 20:29.721 IS INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM HIS BROTHER, HIS FATHER AND 20:29.723 --> 20:31.097 BROTHER, HIS FATHER AND BASICALLY MAINSTREAM REPUBLICAN 20:31.099 --> 20:33.434 BASICALLY MAINSTREAM REPUBLICAN AMERICA NEEDS TO 20:33.435 --> 20:34.617 AMERICA NEEDS TO BE STRONG. 20:34.619 --> 20:36.377 BE STRONG. ALTHOUGH HE DID TALK ABOUT 20:36.379 --> 20:39.352 ALTHOUGH HE DID TALK ABOUT PATIENCE WHICH ARE 20:39.354 --> 20:40.281 PATIENCE WHICH ARE WORDS BARACK OBAMA USES WITH 20:40.282 --> 20:41.209 WORDS BARACK OBAMA USES WITH RESPECT TO FOREIGN POLICY AND 20:41.211 --> 20:44.025 RESPECT TO FOREIGN POLICY AND WHICH HE'S USUALLY 20:44.026 --> 20:45.049 WHICH HE'S USUALLY PILLARIED. 20:45.051 --> 20:46.296 PILLARIED. THERE ARE TWO OTHER THINGS. 20:46.298 --> 20:47.992 THERE ARE TWO OTHER THINGS. ADVISERS HE 20:47.994 --> 20:50.936 ADVISERS HE MENTIONED -- THIGH PUT -- THEY 20:50.938 --> 20:52.984 MENTIONED -- THIGH PUT -- THEY OF ADVISERS THAT 20:52.986 --> 20:53.720 OF ADVISERS THAT HE'S TALKING TO ABOUT FOREIGN 20:53.722 --> 20:54.039 HE'S TALKING TO ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY. 20:54.042 --> 20:55.224 POLICY. >> FORMER BUSH PEOPLE, RIGHT? 20:55.226 --> 20:57.880 >> FORMER BUSH PEOPLE, RIGHT? MORE FAMILIAR WITH 20:57.882 --> 21:02.391 MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE BUSHES THAN THE GARDENERS AT 21:02.393 --> 21:03.415 THE BUSHES THAN THE GARDENERS AT VERSAILLES. 21:03.417 --> 21:04.408 VERSAILLES. GWEN: WHO ELSE ARE YOU GOING TO 21:04.410 --> 21:04.791 GWEN: WHO ELSE ARE YOU GOING TO SELECT FROM? 21:04.793 --> 21:05.495 SELECT FROM? >> EXACTLY RIGHT. 21:05.497 --> 21:07.351 >> EXACTLY RIGHT. YOU CHOSE PEOPLE NOT 21:07.353 --> 21:09.303 YOU CHOSE PEOPLE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUSH FAMILY, 21:09.305 --> 21:11.031 ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUSH FAMILY, THEY WOULDN'T FILL THIS TABLE. 21:11.033 --> 21:12.983 THEY WOULDN'T FILL THIS TABLE. SO AND FINALLY, THOUGH, HE DID 21:12.985 --> 21:14.167 SO AND FINALLY, THOUGH, HE DID MENTION, JEB BUSH SAID THERE 21:14.168 --> 21:15.383 MENTION, JEB BUSH SAID THERE WERE MISTAKES MADE IN IRAQ. 21:15.384 --> 21:17.015 WERE MISTAKES MADE IN IRAQ. SAID, ONE, THE SECURITY 21:17.017 --> 21:18.774 SAID, ONE, THE SECURITY SITUATION AFTER SADDAM FELL WAS 21:18.776 --> 21:21.623 SITUATION AFTER SADDAM FELL WAS AND HE CREATED A VACUUM 21:21.625 --> 21:24.630 AND HE CREATED A VACUUM SAID IT WAS BAD THAT WEAPONS OF 21:24.632 --> 21:25.462 SAID IT WAS BAD THAT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION WEREN'T FOUND. 21:25.464 --> 21:27.606 MASS DESTRUCTION WEREN'T FOUND. PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS CREATING 21:27.608 --> 21:29.302 PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS CREATING DISTANCE WITH HIS BROTHER BUT 21:29.304 --> 21:30.710 DISTANCE WITH HIS BROTHER BUT BROTHER HAS SAID 21:30.711 --> 21:31.382 BROTHER HAS SAID IN HIS OWN BOOK. 21:31.384 --> 21:33.526 IN HIS OWN BOOK. >> SO WHAT THE POLITICAL BENEFIT 21:33.527 --> 21:34.261 >> SO WHAT THE POLITICAL BENEFIT OF SUCH A SPEECH? 21:34.264 --> 21:37.078 OF SUCH A SPEECH? THE POLITICAL BENEFIT WAS HE 21:37.080 --> 21:38.038 THE POLITICAL BENEFIT WAS HE LOOKED CONFIDENT. 21:38.040 --> 21:38.902 LOOKED CONFIDENT. HE KNEW HIS BRIEF. 21:38.904 --> 21:42.038 HE KNEW HIS BRIEF. THAT TUNISIA WAS DOING 21:42.039 --> 21:43.061 THAT TUNISIA WAS DOING BETTER THAN OTHER ARAB SPRING 21:43.063 --> 21:43.829 BETTER THAN OTHER ARAB SPRING STATES. 21:43.831 --> 21:45.045 STATES. OF EGYPT.E PRESIDENT 21:45.047 --> 21:47.669 OF EGYPT.E PRESIDENT HE SOUNDED CONFIDENT AND AT THIS 21:47.671 --> 21:49.589 HE SOUNDED CONFIDENT AND AT THIS STAGE AND BARACK OBAMA PROVED 21:49.591 --> 21:50.965 STAGE AND BARACK OBAMA PROVED THIS -- A FRESHMAN SENATOR WITH 21:50.967 --> 21:52.052 THIS -- A FRESHMAN SENATOR WITH NO EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE -- IF 21:52.054 --> 21:52.980 NO EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE -- IF YOU SOUND CONFIDENT AND LOOK 21:52.982 --> 21:53.780 YOU SOUND CONFIDENT AND LOOK LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE 21:53.782 --> 21:55.317 LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT, VOTERS WILL SAY, 21:55.319 --> 21:57.557 ABOUT, VOTERS WILL SAY, HEY, HE CAN BE PRESIDENT. 21:57.559 --> 22:01.141 HEY, HE CAN BE PRESIDENT. HIS: HE KNEW MORE THAN 22:01.142 --> 22:03.060 HIS: HE KNEW MORE THAN BROTHER KNEW AT A SIMILAR POINT 22:03.062 --> 22:04.308 BROTHER KNEW AT A SIMILAR POINT CAMPAIGN? 22:04.310 --> 22:06.164 CAMPAIGN? >> HIS BROTHER WAS ASKED FIVE 22:06.166 --> 22:07.188 >> HIS BROTHER WAS ASKED FIVE POP QUIZ QUESTIONS ABOUT THE 22:07.190 --> 22:08.978 POP QUIZ QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD, HE 22:08.981 --> 22:09.812 LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD, HE ONLY GOT ONE RIGHT. 22:09.814 --> 22:12.852 ONLY GOT ONE RIGHT. RELATIVE TO WHERE HIS BROTHER 22:12.854 --> 22:13.747 RELATIVE TO WHERE HIS BROTHER WAS, JEB BUSH IS MILES AHEAD OF 22:13.749 --> 22:14.003 WAS, JEB BUSH IS MILES AHEAD OF HIM. 22:14.004 --> 22:17.716 HIM. SAY WHAT YOU WILL -- ABOUT HIM, 22:17.718 --> 22:20.435 SAY WHAT YOU WILL -- ABOUT HIM, BUT I THINK MARCO RUBIO WOULD 22:20.437 --> 22:21.331 BUT I THINK MARCO RUBIO WOULD ACE THAT POP QUIZ. 22:21.333 --> 22:27.378 ACE THAT POP QUIZ. FOREIGN BUSH'S SPEECH AND 22:27.380 --> 22:28.403 FOREIGN BUSH'S SPEECH AND TELLAN INTERVIEW AND 22:28.405 --> 22:30.098 TELLAN INTERVIEW AND PEOPLE WHAT HE SAID AND WHAT 22:30.100 --> 22:30.482 PEOPLE WHAT HE SAID AND WHAT THAT MEANS. 22:30.485 --> 22:33.106 THAT MEANS. HEINTERVIEW IN POLITICO AND 22:33.108 --> 22:34.835 HEINTERVIEW IN POLITICO AND BASICALLY SAID I KNOW I WAS 22:34.836 --> 22:37.810 BASICALLY SAID I KNOW I WAS LIBYA ON,HE SYRIA, ON 22:37.812 --> 22:38.130 LIBYA ON,HE SYRIA, ON RUSSIA. 22:38.132 --> 22:39.666 RUSSIA. HE WAS SAYING, AS MUCH AS BARACK 22:39.668 --> 22:42.098 HE WAS SAYING, AS MUCH AS BARACK SAID IID IN 2008 WHEN HE 22:42.100 --> 22:43.634 SAID IID IN 2008 WHEN HE WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR, HE 22:43.636 --> 22:45.490 WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR, HE WAS SAYINGS, I WAS PRESCIENT AND 22:45.492 --> 22:47.377 WAS SAYINGS, I WAS PRESCIENT AND BE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF. 22:47.379 --> 22:48.656 BE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF. THERE'S A BIG DEBATE IN THE 22:48.659 --> 22:49.745 THERE'S A BIG DEBATE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ABOUT SENATORS 22:49.748 --> 22:51.762 REPUBLICAN PARTY ABOUT SENATORS ISSUES BUTW THE 22:51.764 --> 22:53.425 ISSUES BUTW THE GOVERNORS WITH THE EXECUTIVE 22:53.427 --> 22:54.257 GOVERNORS WITH THE EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE. 22:54.259 --> 22:55.217 EXPERIENCE. GWEN: THAT'S THE QUESTION WE'LL 22:55.219 --> 22:57.232 GWEN: THAT'S THE QUESTION WE'LL TO SEE HOW IT SORTS OUT 22:57.235 --> 22:59.057 TO SEE HOW IT SORTS OUT BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF 22:59.058 --> 23:01.072 BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF GOVERNORS WHO ARE THINKING ABOUT 23:01.074 --> 23:01.393 GOVERNORS WHO ARE THINKING ABOUT RUNNING. 23:01.395 --> 23:02.833 RUNNING. WE HAVE TO GO NOW. 23:02.835 --> 23:04.145 WE HAVE TO GO NOW. 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