WEBVTT 00:00.100 --> 01:15.634 align:start GWEN: GOVERNMENT AT ITS MOST DYSFUNCTIONAL, WHO'S WAY, WHICH HIGHWAY? 01:15.636 --> 01:18.404 align:start DYSFUNCTIONAL, WHO'S WAY, WHICH HIGHWAY? WE EXAMINE THE FALLOUT FROM THE 01:18.406 --> 01:21.621 align:start HIGHWAY? WE EXAMINE THE FALLOUT FROM THE TONIGHT ONDOWN 01:21.623 --> 01:23.245 align:start WE EXAMINE THE FALLOUT FROM THE TONIGHT ONDOWN "WASHINGTON WEEK." 01:23.247 --> 01:24.073 align:start TONIGHT ONDOWN "WASHINGTON WEEK." >> THERE'S A DEAL AND THAT DEAL 01:24.075 --> 01:27.958 align:start "WASHINGTON WEEK." >> THERE'S A DEAL AND THAT DEAL AMERICA HOPE, BUT IT 01:27.960 --> 01:29.232 align:start >> THERE'S A DEAL AND THAT DEAL AMERICA HOPE, BUT IT DOESN'T GET US OUT OF THE MESS 01:29.234 --> 01:32.034 align:start AMERICA HOPE, BUT IT DOESN'T GET US OUT OF THE MESS WE'RE IN. 01:32.036 --> 01:33.818 align:start DOESN'T GET US OUT OF THE MESS WE'RE IN. >> WE HAVE TAKEN WHAT LITTLE 01:33.820 --> 01:35.155 align:start WE'RE IN. >> WE HAVE TAKEN WHAT LITTLE AMERICAN PUBLIC 01:35.157 --> 01:37.702 align:start >> WE HAVE TAKEN WHAT LITTLE AMERICAN PUBLIC HAD IN THIS INSTITUTION AND OUR 01:37.704 --> 01:38.404 align:start AMERICAN PUBLIC HAD IN THIS INSTITUTION AND OUR INSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES 01:38.406 --> 01:39.709 align:start HAD IN THIS INSTITUTION AND OUR INSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES SHOOKSS AND ONCE AGAIN 01:39.711 --> 01:40.346 align:start INSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES SHOOKSS AND ONCE AGAIN IT. 01:40.348 --> 01:41.683 align:start SHOOKSS AND ONCE AGAIN IT. GWEN: THE GOVERNMENT REOPENS. 01:41.685 --> 01:44.422 align:start IT. GWEN: THE GOVERNMENT REOPENS. >> WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY. 01:44.424 --> 01:45.091 align:start GWEN: THE GOVERNMENT REOPENS. >> WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY. GWEN: THE DEBT CEILING IS 01:45.093 --> 01:46.109 align:start >> WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY. GWEN: THE DEBT CEILING IS RAISED. 01:46.111 --> 01:48.275 align:start GWEN: THE DEBT CEILING IS RAISED. SOME REPUBLICANS AND SOME 01:48.277 --> 01:48.944 align:start RAISED. SOME REPUBLICANS AND SOME DEMOCRATS ARE ACTUALLY TALKING 01:48.946 --> 01:49.454 align:start SOME REPUBLICANS AND SOME DEMOCRATS ARE ACTUALLY TALKING ONE ANOTHER. 01:49.455 --> 01:50.886 align:start DEMOCRATS ARE ACTUALLY TALKING ONE ANOTHER. >> WE'RE GOING TO FIND THE 01:50.888 --> 01:52.765 align:start ONE ANOTHER. >> WE'RE GOING TO FIND THE TWO -- THE COMMON GROUND BETWEEN 01:52.767 --> 01:54.293 align:start >> WE'RE GOING TO FIND THE TWO -- THE COMMON GROUND BETWEEN THAT WE BOTH CAN 01:54.295 --> 01:56.651 align:start TWO -- THE COMMON GROUND BETWEEN THAT WE BOTH CAN VOTE ON AND THAT'S OUR GOAL. 01:56.653 --> 01:57.733 align:start THAT WE BOTH CAN VOTE ON AND THAT'S OUR GOAL. GWEN: BUT HAS THE LATEST CRISIS 01:57.735 --> 01:59.517 align:start VOTE ON AND THAT'S OUR GOAL. GWEN: BUT HAS THE LATEST CRISIS PERMANENTLYTON 01:59.519 --> 01:59.834 align:start GWEN: BUT HAS THE LATEST CRISIS PERMANENTLYTON BROKEN? 01:59.836 --> 02:00.535 align:start PERMANENTLYTON BROKEN? >> LET'S BE CLEAR. 02:00.537 --> 02:02.541 align:start BROKEN? >> LET'S BE CLEAR. THERE ARE NO WINNERS HERE. 02:02.543 --> 02:04.452 align:start >> LET'S BE CLEAR. THERE ARE NO WINNERS HERE. THE MEDIA KEEPS ASKING, WAS 02:04.454 --> 02:06.076 align:start THERE ARE NO WINNERS HERE. THE MEDIA KEEPS ASKING, WAS IT WORTH IT? 02:06.078 --> 02:07.414 align:start THE MEDIA KEEPS ASKING, WAS IT WORTH IT? ANSMYWER IS THAT IT'S ALWAYS 02:07.416 --> 02:09.993 align:start IT WORTH IT? ANSMYWER IS THAT IT'S ALWAYS IT TO DO THE RIGHT THING. 02:09.995 --> 02:11.808 align:start ANSMYWER IS THAT IT'S ALWAYS IT TO DO THE RIGHT THING. GWEN: WEOOK LAT THE DEAL THAT 02:11.810 --> 02:14.643 align:start IT TO DO THE RIGHT THING. GWEN: WEOOK LAT THE DEAL THAT GLOBAL CALAMITY AND WHY 02:14.645 --> 02:18.081 align:start GWEN: WEOOK LAT THE DEAL THAT GLOBAL CALAMITY AND WHY WITHULD BREAK DOWN AGAIN 02:18.083 --> 02:18.624 align:start GLOBAL CALAMITY AND WHY WITHULD BREAK DOWN AGAIN CHUCK BABINGTON OF THE 02:18.625 --> 02:19.961 align:start WITHULD BREAK DOWN AGAIN CHUCK BABINGTON OF THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, DAN BALZ OF 02:19.963 --> 02:21.807 align:start CHUCK BABINGTON OF THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, DAN BALZ OF THE "WASHINGTON POST," JACKIE 02:21.809 --> 02:25.247 align:start ASSOCIATED PRESS, DAN BALZ OF THE "WASHINGTON POST," JACKIE TIMES,"F THE "NEW YORK 02:25.249 --> 02:27.413 align:start THE "WASHINGTON POST," JACKIE TIMES,"F THE "NEW YORK NEWS.FF ZELENY OF ABC 02:27.414 --> 02:31.106 align:start TIMES,"F THE "NEW YORK NEWS.FF ZELENY OF ABC >> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND 02:31.108 --> 02:32.890 align:start NEWS.FF ZELENY OF ABC >> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND AS ITIS, COVERING HISTORY 02:32.892 --> 02:33.877 align:start >> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND AS ITIS, COVERING HISTORY HAPPENS. 02:33.879 --> 02:37.061 align:start AS ITIS, COVERING HISTORY HAPPENS. CAPITAL, OUR NATION'S 02:37.063 --> 02:38.717 align:start HAPPENS. CAPITAL, OUR NATION'S THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH 02:38.719 --> 02:40.787 align:start CAPITAL, OUR NATION'S THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH GWEN IFILL. 77 00:03:47,328 --> 00:03:48,527 LIVE FROM, WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL. 02:40.788 --> 02:41.359 align:start WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL. GWEN: GOOD EVENING. 02:41.360 --> 02:42.632 align:start IFILL. GWEN: GOOD EVENING. TEMPTING TO LOOK AT HOW 02:42.635 --> 02:44.512 align:start GWEN: GOOD EVENING. TEMPTING TO LOOK AT HOW OCTOBER HAS UNFOLDED IN THE 02:44.514 --> 02:46.709 align:start TEMPTING TO LOOK AT HOW OCTOBER HAS UNFOLDED IN THE THINK ONLYPITAL AND 02:46.711 --> 02:48.589 align:start OCTOBER HAS UNFOLDED IN THE THINK ONLYPITAL AND OF THE PERSONALITIES. 02:48.590 --> 02:53.015 align:start THINK ONLYPITAL AND OF THE PERSONALITIES. SPENT FACING OFF 02:53.017 --> 02:55.181 align:start OF THE PERSONALITIES. SPENT FACING OFF A PARTISAN DIVIDE THAT AND 02:55.181 --> 02:57.059 align:start SPENT FACING OFF A PARTISAN DIVIDE THAT AND TOO WIDE TO CROSS, OUR 02:57.061 --> 02:58.110 align:start A PARTISAN DIVIDE THAT AND TOO WIDE TO CROSS, OUR COUNTRY CAME TO THE BRINK OF 02:58.111 --> 02:58.459 align:start TOO WIDE TO CROSS, OUR COUNTRY CAME TO THE BRINK OF DISASTER. 02:58.462 --> 03:00.211 align:start COUNTRY CAME TO THE BRINK OF DISASTER. >> THIS IS FAR LESS THAN MANY OF 03:00.213 --> 03:02.663 align:start DISASTER. >> THIS IS FAR LESS THAN MANY OF HAD HOPED FOR, FRANKLY, BUT 03:02.666 --> 03:04.542 align:start >> THIS IS FAR LESS THAN MANY OF HAD HOPED FOR, FRANKLY, BUT IT'S FAR BETTER THAN WHAT SOME 03:04.543 --> 03:06.485 align:start HAD HOPED FOR, FRANKLY, BUT IT'S FAR BETTER THAN WHAT SOME HAD SOUGHT. 03:06.486 --> 03:08.458 align:start IT'S FAR BETTER THAN WHAT SOME HAD SOUGHT. NOW IT'S TIME FOR REPUBLICANS TO 03:08.461 --> 03:11.294 align:start HAD SOUGHT. NOW IT'S TIME FOR REPUBLICANS TO OTHER CRUCIAL 03:11.295 --> 03:11.579 align:start NOW IT'S TIME FOR REPUBLICANS TO OTHER CRUCIAL GOALS. 03:11.581 --> 03:14.096 align:start OTHER CRUCIAL GOALS. >> THE ANSWERS ARE NOT GOING TO 03:14.098 --> 03:16.039 align:start GOALS. >> THE ANSWERS ARE NOT GOING TO FROM WASHINGTON. 03:16.041 --> 03:19.032 align:start >> THE ANSWERS ARE NOT GOING TO FROM WASHINGTON. WASHINGTON IS BROKEN, BUT THE 03:19.033 --> 03:20.242 align:start FROM WASHINGTON. WASHINGTON IS BROKEN, BUT THE TO COME FROMOING 03:20.244 --> 03:21.992 align:start WASHINGTON IS BROKEN, BUT THE TO COME FROMOING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. 03:21.994 --> 03:24.032 align:start TO COME FROMOING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> THAT'S NOT A SURPRISE, THAT 03:24.034 --> 03:26.707 align:start THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> THAT'S NOT A SURPRISE, THAT AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE 03:26.709 --> 03:30.432 align:start >> THAT'S NOT A SURPRISE, THAT AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE COMPLETELY FED UP WITH 03:30.434 --> 03:33.235 align:start AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE COMPLETELY FED UP WITH WASHINGTON. 03:33.236 --> 03:37.088 align:start COMPLETELY FED UP WITH WASHINGTON. A MOMENT WHEN OUR ECONOMIC 03:37.090 --> 03:39.062 align:start WASHINGTON. A MOMENT WHEN OUR ECONOMIC RECOVERY DEMANDS MORE JOBS, MORE 03:39.063 --> 03:41.133 align:start A MOMENT WHEN OUR ECONOMIC RECOVERY DEMANDS MORE JOBS, MORE MOMENTUM, WE'VE GOT YET ANOTHER 03:41.134 --> 03:42.788 align:start RECOVERY DEMANDS MORE JOBS, MORE MOMENTUM, WE'VE GOT YET ANOTHER SELF-INFLICTED CRISIS THAT SET 03:42.790 --> 03:46.705 align:start MOMENTUM, WE'VE GOT YET ANOTHER SELF-INFLICTED CRISIS THAT SET ECONOMY FOR WHAT? 03:46.707 --> 03:47.756 align:start SELF-INFLICTED CRISIS THAT SET ECONOMY FOR WHAT? GWEN: FOR WHAT, INDEED. 03:47.758 --> 03:50.208 align:start ECONOMY FOR WHAT? GWEN: FOR WHAT, INDEED. AMONG THE QUESTIONS 03:50.209 --> 03:50.876 align:start GWEN: FOR WHAT, INDEED. AMONG THE QUESTIONS WE'LL BE TACKLING TONIGHT BUT 03:50.879 --> 03:51.546 align:start AMONG THE QUESTIONS WE'LL BE TACKLING TONIGHT BUT FIRST, THE QUESTION SO MANY 03:51.548 --> 03:53.519 align:start WE'LL BE TACKLING TONIGHT BUT FIRST, THE QUESTION SO MANY ITRICANS ARE ASKING, HOW DID 03:53.521 --> 03:55.208 align:start FIRST, THE QUESTION SO MANY ITRICANS ARE ASKING, HOW DID COME TO THIS. 03:55.210 --> 03:56.323 align:start ITRICANS ARE ASKING, HOW DID COME TO THIS. DAN? 03:56.325 --> 03:57.435 align:start COME TO THIS. DAN? I THOUGHT YOU'D KNOW THE ANSWER 03:57.437 --> 03:57.818 align:start DAN? I THOUGHT YOU'D KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE. 03:57.821 --> 04:00.144 align:start I THOUGHT YOU'D KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE. WELL, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN 04:00.145 --> 04:01.195 align:start TO THAT ONE. WELL, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN BUILDING FOR A LONG TIME, AS WE 04:01.196 --> 04:03.232 align:start WELL, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN BUILDING FOR A LONG TIME, AS WE THREEND I THINK THERE ARE 04:03.234 --> 04:04.123 align:start BUILDING FOR A LONG TIME, AS WE THREEND I THINK THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT CAME TOGETHER IN 04:04.125 --> 04:05.239 align:start THREEND I THINK THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT CAME TOGETHER IN THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT. 04:05.240 --> 04:07.787 align:start ELEMENTS THAT CAME TOGETHER IN THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT. ONE IS THE GROWING POLARIZATION. 04:07.789 --> 04:09.729 align:start THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT. ONE IS THE GROWING POLARIZATION. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS 04:09.731 --> 04:11.576 align:start ONE IS THE GROWING POLARIZATION. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS REPEATEDLY AROUND THIS TABLE, 04:11.578 --> 04:12.626 align:start WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS REPEATEDLY AROUND THIS TABLE, TWOSORTING OUT OF THE 04:12.628 --> 04:14.410 align:start REPEATEDLY AROUND THIS TABLE, TWOSORTING OUT OF THE PARTIES. 04:14.412 --> 04:16.416 align:start TWOSORTING OUT OF THE PARTIES. ONE FARTHER APART FROM THE OTHER 04:16.418 --> 04:17.627 align:start PARTIES. ONE FARTHER APART FROM THE OTHER LONG TIME SEEN IN A 04:17.628 --> 04:18.709 align:start ONE FARTHER APART FROM THE OTHER LONG TIME SEEN IN A AND WE SEE THAT DEFINITELY IN 04:18.711 --> 04:19.537 align:start LONG TIME SEEN IN A AND WE SEE THAT DEFINITELY IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. 04:19.539 --> 04:22.563 align:start AND WE SEE THAT DEFINITELY IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. VAST DIFFERENCE, 04:22.565 --> 04:24.314 align:start THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. VAST DIFFERENCE, NOW, IN HOW PEOPLE VIEW CERTAIN 04:24.316 --> 04:25.938 align:start VAST DIFFERENCE, NOW, IN HOW PEOPLE VIEW CERTAIN ISSUES, HOW THE TWO PARTIES VIEW 04:25.940 --> 04:26.925 align:start NOW, IN HOW PEOPLE VIEW CERTAIN ISSUES, HOW THE TWO PARTIES VIEW CERTAIN ISSUES. 04:26.927 --> 04:28.804 align:start ISSUES, HOW THE TWO PARTIES VIEW CERTAIN ISSUES. THERE IS VERY LITTLE COMMON 04:28.806 --> 04:29.918 align:start CERTAIN ISSUES. THERE IS VERY LITTLE COMMON GROUND ON SOME OF THESE BIG 04:29.920 --> 04:30.810 align:start THERE IS VERY LITTLE COMMON GROUND ON SOME OF THESE BIG ISSUES. 04:30.812 --> 04:31.957 align:start GROUND ON SOME OF THESE BIG ISSUES. ORS EITHER WE'RE ALL FOR IT 04:31.959 --> 04:32.817 align:start ISSUES. ORS EITHER WE'RE ALL FOR IT WE'RE ALL AGAINST IT AND THE 04:32.819 --> 04:35.492 align:start ORS EITHER WE'RE ALL FOR IT WE'RE ALL AGAINST IT AND THE THIRD, FRANKLY, IS THE RISE OF 04:35.494 --> 04:37.656 align:start WE'RE ALL AGAINST IT AND THE THIRD, FRANKLY, IS THE RISE OF PARTY AND THE ARRIVAL OF 04:37.658 --> 04:39.886 align:start THIRD, FRANKLY, IS THE RISE OF PARTY AND THE ARRIVAL OF A FACTION OF NEW MEMBERS IN THE 04:39.888 --> 04:40.555 align:start PARTY AND THE ARRIVAL OF A FACTION OF NEW MEMBERS IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WHO 04:40.557 --> 04:41.510 align:start A FACTION OF NEW MEMBERS IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WHO TOE DETERMINED NOT SIMPLY 04:41.512 --> 04:43.261 align:start HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WHO TOE DETERMINED NOT SIMPLY SLOW DOWN THE DIRECTION OF A 04:43.263 --> 04:45.363 align:start TOE DETERMINED NOT SIMPLY SLOW DOWN THE DIRECTION OF A COUNTRY THEY THINK WAS GOING IN 04:45.365 --> 04:47.083 align:start SLOW DOWN THE DIRECTION OF A COUNTRY THEY THINK WAS GOING IN DIRECTION, BUT TO 04:47.085 --> 04:49.057 align:start COUNTRY THEY THINK WAS GOING IN DIRECTION, BUT TO REVERSE IT AND TO USE 04:49.059 --> 04:50.363 align:start DIRECTION, BUT TO REVERSE IT AND TO USE EXTRAORDINARY METHODS WHICH THEY 04:50.365 --> 04:51.955 align:start REVERSE IT AND TO USE EXTRAORDINARY METHODS WHICH THEY CASE TO TRY TO STOP 04:51.957 --> 04:53.930 align:start EXTRAORDINARY METHODS WHICH THEY CASE TO TRY TO STOP IT AND IT LED TO THE SHUTDOWN. 04:53.932 --> 04:56.063 align:start CASE TO TRY TO STOP IT AND IT LED TO THE SHUTDOWN. DAN'S RIGHT. 04:56.065 --> 04:57.782 align:start IT AND IT LED TO THE SHUTDOWN. DAN'S RIGHT. THE THING I WAS STRUCK BY OVER 04:57.784 --> 04:59.726 align:start DAN'S RIGHT. THE THING I WAS STRUCK BY OVER AND OVER THE LAST -- I THINK IT 04:59.728 --> 05:00.999 align:start THE THING I WAS STRUCK BY OVER AND OVER THE LAST -- I THINK IT BUT THIS HAS BEEN 05:01.001 --> 05:01.699 align:start AND OVER THE LAST -- I THINK IT BUT THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A MONTH. 05:01.701 --> 05:03.642 align:start BUT THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A MONTH. THE DEBATE STARTED MID SEPTEMBER 05:03.644 --> 05:05.585 align:start GOING ON FOR A MONTH. THE DEBATE STARTED MID SEPTEMBER WASI WOULD ALWAYS ASK AS I 05:05.587 --> 05:06.476 align:start THE DEBATE STARTED MID SEPTEMBER WASI WOULD ALWAYS ASK AS I WALKING THROUGH THE HALLS OF 05:06.478 --> 05:08.355 align:start WASI WOULD ALWAYS ASK AS I WALKING THROUGH THE HALLS OF CONGRESS, AS THE TEA PARTY 05:08.357 --> 05:09.279 align:start WALKING THROUGH THE HALLS OF CONGRESS, AS THE TEA PARTY REPUBLICANS, IS THIS WORTH IT, 05:09.281 --> 05:11.285 align:start CONGRESS, AS THE TEA PARTY REPUBLICANS, IS THIS WORTH IT, MAKING YOUR CASE AND I 05:11.287 --> 05:13.132 align:start REPUBLICANS, IS THIS WORTH IT, MAKING YOUR CASE AND I WAS STRUCK BY ONE THING I KEPT 05:13.134 --> 05:13.451 align:start MAKING YOUR CASE AND I WAS STRUCK BY ONE THING I KEPT HEARING. 05:13.453 --> 05:15.011 align:start WAS STRUCK BY ONE THING I KEPT HEARING. ON HEALTHCARE, IT SEEMED LIKE 05:15.013 --> 05:16.922 align:start HEARING. ON HEALTHCARE, IT SEEMED LIKE THIS HAD BEEN LITIGATED. 05:16.924 --> 05:19.214 align:start ON HEALTHCARE, IT SEEMED LIKE THIS HAD BEEN LITIGATED. OVERARTED OUT AS A FIGHT 05:19.216 --> 05:20.743 align:start THIS HAD BEEN LITIGATED. OVERARTED OUT AS A FIGHT OBAMACARE AND THE 2012 ELECTIONS 05:20.745 --> 05:22.876 align:start OVERARTED OUT AS A FIGHT OBAMACARE AND THE 2012 ELECTIONS SEEMED TO ILLITTIGATE THAT BUT 05:22.878 --> 05:24.723 align:start OBAMACARE AND THE 2012 ELECTIONS SEEMED TO ILLITTIGATE THAT BUT PERSON THESE TEA PARTY 05:24.725 --> 05:26.507 align:start SEEMED TO ILLITTIGATE THAT BUT PERSON THESE TEA PARTY REPUBLICANS ELECTED IN THE WAVE 05:26.509 --> 05:28.799 align:start PERSON THESE TEA PARTY REPUBLICANS ELECTED IN THE WAVE NO, THESAID, NO, NO, 05:28.801 --> 05:30.551 align:start REPUBLICANS ELECTED IN THE WAVE NO, THESAID, NO, NO, 2012 ELECTION WAS NOT ABOUT 05:30.553 --> 05:31.347 align:start NO, THESAID, NO, NO, 2012 ELECTION WAS NOT ABOUT HEALTHCARE. 05:31.349 --> 05:32.398 align:start 2012 ELECTION WAS NOT ABOUT HEALTHCARE. THE ONLY ELECTION THAT'S BEEN 05:32.400 --> 05:33.671 align:start HEALTHCARE. THE ONLY ELECTION THAT'S BEEN WAS 2010 ANDARE 05:33.673 --> 05:35.105 align:start THE ONLY ELECTION THAT'S BEEN WAS 2010 ANDARE THAT WAS A STRONG REFERENDUM 05:35.107 --> 05:36.379 align:start WAS 2010 ANDARE THAT WAS A STRONG REFERENDUM AGAINST IT SO I LOOKED -- SOME 05:36.381 --> 05:37.525 align:start THAT WAS A STRONG REFERENDUM AGAINST IT SO I LOOKED -- SOME OF THESE NUMBERS OF CONGRESS IN 05:37.527 --> 05:38.926 align:start AGAINST IT SO I LOOKED -- SOME OF THESE NUMBERS OF CONGRESS IN EYE. 05:38.928 --> 05:44.053 align:start OF THESE NUMBERS OF CONGRESS IN EYE. OF IDAHO SAIDOR 05:44.055 --> 05:44.785 align:start EYE. OF IDAHO SAIDOR THIS IS A REFERENDUM ON 05:44.787 --> 05:46.059 align:start OF IDAHO SAIDOR THIS IS A REFERENDUM ON HEALTHCARE, WE'RE SENT HERE TO 05:46.061 --> 05:47.620 align:start THIS IS A REFERENDUM ON HEALTHCARE, WE'RE SENT HERE TO DO THIS AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS 05:47.622 --> 05:48.544 align:start HEALTHCARE, WE'RE SENT HERE TO DO THIS AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS WORTH IT. 05:48.546 --> 05:49.690 align:start DO THIS AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS WORTH IT. EVEN AT THE END OF ALL THIS, 05:49.692 --> 05:50.772 align:start WORTH IT. EVEN AT THE END OF ALL THIS, THEY WERE SAYING IT WAS WORTH 05:50.774 --> 05:51.027 align:start EVEN AT THE END OF ALL THIS, THEY WERE SAYING IT WAS WORTH IT. 05:51.029 --> 05:52.397 align:start THEY WERE SAYING IT WAS WORTH IT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS STRUCK BY 05:52.398 --> 05:54.371 align:start IT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS STRUCK BY BECAUSE THE ESTABLISHMENT, MITCH 05:54.373 --> 05:55.327 align:start THAT'S WHAT I WAS STRUCK BY BECAUSE THE ESTABLISHMENT, MITCH MCCONNELL SAID IT WASN'T WORTH 05:55.328 --> 05:57.555 align:start BECAUSE THE ESTABLISHMENT, MITCH MCCONNELL SAID IT WASN'T WORTH DISCONNECTS'S HUGE 05:57.557 --> 05:57.842 align:start MCCONNELL SAID IT WASN'T WORTH DISCONNECTS'S HUGE STILL. 05:57.844 --> 05:59.084 align:start DISCONNECTS'S HUGE STILL. >> THERE'S DISCONNECTS WITHIN 05:59.086 --> 06:01.059 align:start STILL. >> THERE'S DISCONNECTS WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, 06:01.061 --> 06:02.841 align:start >> THERE'S DISCONNECTS WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, PARTY.ECTS ACROSS THE 06:02.843 --> 06:04.816 align:start THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, PARTY.ECTS ACROSS THE NANCY PELOSI WAS TALKING ABOUT 06:04.818 --> 06:06.122 align:start PARTY.ECTS ACROSS THE NANCY PELOSI WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT SHE SEES AS CYNICISM ON THE 06:06.124 --> 06:06.727 align:start NANCY PELOSI WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT SHE SEES AS CYNICISM ON THE OTHER SIDE. 06:06.729 --> 06:07.778 align:start WHAT SHE SEES AS CYNICISM ON THE OTHER SIDE. LET'S LISTEN. 06:07.779 --> 06:09.879 align:start OTHER SIDE. LET'S LISTEN. >> CYNICISM IS ABOUT THE FACT 06:09.881 --> 06:11.503 align:start LET'S LISTEN. >> CYNICISM IS ABOUT THE FACT THAT GOVERNMENT WAS CLOSED FOR 06:11.505 --> 06:15.389 align:start >> CYNICISM IS ABOUT THE FACT THAT GOVERNMENT WAS CLOSED FOR 16 DAYS, THE FULL FAITH AND 06:15.391 --> 06:16.599 align:start THAT GOVERNMENT WAS CLOSED FOR 16 DAYS, THE FULL FAITH AND DOUBT OF AMERICA WAS IN 06:16.601 --> 06:16.917 align:start 16 DAYS, THE FULL FAITH AND DOUBT OF AMERICA WAS IN AND WHY? 06:16.919 --> 06:20.038 align:start DOUBT OF AMERICA WAS IN AND WHY? BECAUSE THE ANTI-GOVERNMENT I'D 06:20.040 --> 06:23.158 align:start AND WHY? BECAUSE THE ANTI-GOVERNMENT I'D IDEOLOGUE IN THE 06:23.160 --> 06:24.146 align:start BECAUSE THE ANTI-GOVERNMENT I'D IDEOLOGUE IN THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS WAS THE TAIL 06:24.148 --> 06:26.152 align:start IDEOLOGUE IN THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS WAS THE TAIL DOG.NG THE 06:26.154 --> 06:27.840 align:start REPUBLICAN CONGRESS WAS THE TAIL DOG.NG THE GWEN: WAS AN UNDERBELLY REVEALED 06:27.842 --> 06:29.846 align:start DOG.NG THE GWEN: WAS AN UNDERBELLY REVEALED HERE OR WAS THIS TRULY A DEEP 06:29.848 --> 06:31.725 align:start GWEN: WAS AN UNDERBELLY REVEALED HERE OR WAS THIS TRULY A DEEP UNDERBELLY OF 06:31.727 --> 06:32.139 align:start HERE OR WAS THIS TRULY A DEEP UNDERBELLY OF STUBBORNNESS? 06:32.141 --> 06:34.623 align:start UNDERBELLY OF STUBBORNNESS? >> NANCY PELOSI TALKED ABOUT 06:34.625 --> 06:35.546 align:start STUBBORNNESS? >> NANCY PELOSI TALKED ABOUT ANTI-GOVERNMENT REPUBLICANS AND 06:35.548 --> 06:36.566 align:start >> NANCY PELOSI TALKED ABOUT ANTI-GOVERNMENT REPUBLICANS AND IN TRUTH A LOT OF HOUSE 06:36.568 --> 06:37.617 align:start ANTI-GOVERNMENT REPUBLICANS AND IN TRUTH A LOT OF HOUSE REPUBLICANS ARE ELECTED IN 06:37.618 --> 06:38.731 align:start IN TRUTH A LOT OF HOUSE REPUBLICANS ARE ELECTED IN REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES WHICH ARE 06:38.733 --> 06:41.374 align:start REPUBLICANS ARE ELECTED IN REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES WHICH ARE ALL THAT MATTER REALLY IN THEIR 06:41.376 --> 06:42.170 align:start REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES WHICH ARE ALL THAT MATTER REALLY IN THEIR DISTRICTS BY PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY 06:42.172 --> 06:43.221 align:start ALL THAT MATTER REALLY IN THEIR DISTRICTS BY PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY ANTI-GOVERNMENT. 06:43.223 --> 06:44.176 align:start DISTRICTS BY PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY ANTI-GOVERNMENT. GWEN: THEY WOULD AGREE WITH HER. 06:44.178 --> 06:45.991 align:start ANTI-GOVERNMENT. GWEN: THEY WOULD AGREE WITH HER. WOULD.INK THEY 06:45.993 --> 06:47.201 align:start GWEN: THEY WOULD AGREE WITH HER. WOULD.INK THEY AND THE THING THAT JEFF WAS 06:47.203 --> 06:48.953 align:start WOULD.INK THEY AND THE THING THAT JEFF WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE BIG 06:48.955 --> 06:50.099 align:start AND THE THING THAT JEFF WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE BIG OFCONNECT -- I TALK TO A LOT 06:50.101 --> 06:51.023 align:start TALKING ABOUT, THE BIG OFCONNECT -- I TALK TO A LOT HOUSE REPUBLICANS, AS WELL, AND 06:51.025 --> 06:52.807 align:start OFCONNECT -- I TALK TO A LOT HOUSE REPUBLICANS, AS WELL, AND WE HAVE BEEN SEEING ALL THESE 06:52.809 --> 06:53.220 align:start HOUSE REPUBLICANS, AS WELL, AND WE HAVE BEEN SEEING ALL THESE POLLS LATELY. 06:53.222 --> 06:54.749 align:start WE HAVE BEEN SEEING ALL THESE POLLS LATELY. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS TAKING A 06:54.751 --> 06:55.545 align:start POLLS LATELY. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS TAKING A POUNDING, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY 06:55.547 --> 06:56.723 align:start THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS TAKING A POUNDING, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS GETTING CLOBBERED. 06:56.725 --> 06:58.475 align:start POUNDING, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS GETTING CLOBBERED. YOU TALK TO A LOT OF THESE 06:58.477 --> 06:59.652 align:start IS GETTING CLOBBERED. YOU TALK TO A LOT OF THESE RELATE TOD THEY DON'T 06:59.654 --> 07:01.532 align:start YOU TALK TO A LOT OF THESE RELATE TOD THEY DON'T THOSE POLLS AT ALL BECAUSE 07:01.534 --> 07:02.487 align:start RELATE TOD THEY DON'T THOSE POLLS AT ALL BECAUSE THEY'RE FOCUSED ON THEIR 07:02.489 --> 07:03.378 align:start THOSE POLLS AT ALL BECAUSE THEY'RE FOCUSED ON THEIR DISTRICT WHICH IS FOR ALL THE 07:03.380 --> 07:05.162 align:start THEY'RE FOCUSED ON THEIR DISTRICT WHICH IS FOR ALL THE DAN TALKED ABOUT, THE 07:05.164 --> 07:06.404 align:start DISTRICT WHICH IS FOR ALL THE DAN TALKED ABOUT, THE SORTING OUT AND GERRYMANDERING, 07:06.406 --> 07:08.155 align:start DAN TALKED ABOUT, THE SORTING OUT AND GERRYMANDERING, ARE VERY, VERY RED AND THESE 07:08.157 --> 07:09.939 align:start SORTING OUT AND GERRYMANDERING, ARE VERY, VERY RED AND THESE DON'T REALLY -- 07:09.941 --> 07:11.881 align:start ARE VERY, VERY RED AND THESE DON'T REALLY -- GWEN: I TELL YOU WHO'S READING 07:11.883 --> 07:12.964 align:start DON'T REALLY -- GWEN: I TELL YOU WHO'S READING THE POLLS AT THE WHITE HOUSE, 07:12.966 --> 07:14.237 align:start GWEN: I TELL YOU WHO'S READING THE POLLS AT THE WHITE HOUSE, THE WHITE HOUSE. 07:14.239 --> 07:15.766 align:start THE POLLS AT THE WHITE HOUSE, THE WHITE HOUSE. >> OH, YEAH AND YET IT'S HARD TO 07:15.768 --> 07:17.677 align:start THE WHITE HOUSE. >> OH, YEAH AND YET IT'S HARD TO SEE DESPITE THE PRESIDENT'S 07:17.679 --> 07:18.759 align:start >> OH, YEAH AND YET IT'S HARD TO SEE DESPITE THE PRESIDENT'S OUT OFED LEVERAGE COMING 07:18.760 --> 07:21.530 align:start SEE DESPITE THE PRESIDENT'S OUT OFED LEVERAGE COMING THIS, THAT REALLY HE HAS A WAY 07:21.532 --> 07:21.849 align:start OUT OFED LEVERAGE COMING THIS, THAT REALLY HE HAS A WAY FORWARD. 07:21.851 --> 07:23.664 align:start THIS, THAT REALLY HE HAS A WAY FORWARD. OUT THERE,NAMIC IS 07:23.666 --> 07:26.148 align:start FORWARD. OUT THERE,NAMIC IS AS JEFF ALLUDED TO, THE REALLY 07:26.150 --> 07:27.581 align:start OUT THERE,NAMIC IS AS JEFF ALLUDED TO, THE REALLY HARD-LINE CONSERVATIVES IN THE 07:27.583 --> 07:29.268 align:start AS JEFF ALLUDED TO, THE REALLY HARD-LINE CONSERVATIVES IN THE SENATE, THE LESSON 07:29.270 --> 07:31.020 align:start HARD-LINE CONSERVATIVES IN THE SENATE, THE LESSON THEY'RE TAKING FROM THIS IS THAT 07:31.022 --> 07:32.103 align:start SENATE, THE LESSON THEY'RE TAKING FROM THIS IS THAT THEY WEREN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH 07:32.105 --> 07:33.854 align:start THEY'RE TAKING FROM THIS IS THAT THEY WEREN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH UNITED ENOUGH TO 07:33.856 --> 07:36.720 align:start THEY WEREN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH UNITED ENOUGH TO PUSH THEIR WAY, WHICH DOESN'T 07:36.722 --> 07:38.822 align:start UNITED ENOUGH TO PUSH THEIR WAY, WHICH DOESN'T THAT THEY'RE CHASTENED 07:38.823 --> 07:42.580 align:start PUSH THEIR WAY, WHICH DOESN'T THAT THEY'RE CHASTENED AT ALL AND IT'S JUST -- I THINK 07:42.582 --> 07:43.597 align:start THAT THEY'RE CHASTENED AT ALL AND IT'S JUST -- I THINK THE -- IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE 07:43.600 --> 07:45.478 align:start AT ALL AND IT'S JUST -- I THINK THE -- IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WE TALK A LOT ABOUT 07:45.478 --> 07:45.923 align:start THE -- IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WE TALK A LOT ABOUT RE-DISTRICTING. 07:45.925 --> 07:47.324 align:start WE TALK A LOT ABOUT RE-DISTRICTING. DAN STARTED OUT REFERRING TO 07:47.326 --> 07:48.503 align:start RE-DISTRICTING. DAN STARTED OUT REFERRING TO POLARIZATION AND THAT EXPLAINS 07:48.505 --> 07:49.172 align:start DAN STARTED OUT REFERRING TO POLARIZATION AND THAT EXPLAINS THE HOUSE. 07:49.174 --> 07:53.311 align:start POLARIZATION AND THAT EXPLAINS THE HOUSE. YOU HAVE THESE VERY WELL 07:53.313 --> 07:53.949 align:start THE HOUSE. YOU HAVE THESE VERY WELL CONSTRUCTED DISTRICTS WHERE 07:53.951 --> 07:54.649 align:start YOU HAVE THESE VERY WELL CONSTRUCTED DISTRICTS WHERE EVERYONE'S PACKED IN WITH LIKE 07:54.651 --> 07:55.986 align:start CONSTRUCTED DISTRICTS WHERE EVERYONE'S PACKED IN WITH LIKE MINDED VOTERS AND IN THIS CASE 07:55.988 --> 07:56.560 align:start EVERYONE'S PACKED IN WITH LIKE MINDED VOTERS AND IN THIS CASE VERY CONSERVATIVE ONES. 07:56.562 --> 07:58.183 align:start MINDED VOTERS AND IN THIS CASE VERY CONSERVATIVE ONES. IT DOESN'T EXPLAIN THE 07:58.185 --> 07:59.267 align:start VERY CONSERVATIVE ONES. IT DOESN'T EXPLAIN THE SENATE AND WE'RE SEEING THAT 07:59.268 --> 07:59.999 align:start IT DOESN'T EXPLAIN THE SENATE AND WE'RE SEEING THAT CHANGE IN THE SENATE. 08:00.000 --> 08:01.750 align:start SENATE AND WE'RE SEEING THAT CHANGE IN THE SENATE. WHO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? 08:01.752 --> 08:02.164 align:start CHANGE IN THE SENATE. WHO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? SENATOR CRUZ. 08:02.166 --> 08:05.635 align:start WHO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? SENATOR CRUZ. YOU HAD MIKE LEE AND BOTH OF 08:05.637 --> 08:06.209 align:start SENATOR CRUZ. YOU HAD MIKE LEE AND BOTH OF THEM BEAT ESTABLISHMENT 08:06.211 --> 08:08.024 align:start YOU HAD MIKE LEE AND BOTH OF THEM BEAT ESTABLISHMENT TO GET TO THE SENATE 08:08.026 --> 08:09.360 align:start THEM BEAT ESTABLISHMENT TO GET TO THE SENATE SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF 08:09.363 --> 08:11.430 align:start TO GET TO THE SENATE SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF ANDISTRICTING AND BIG MONEY 08:11.433 --> 08:13.373 align:start SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF ANDISTRICTING AND BIG MONEY ACTIVISM ON THE FAR RIGHT. 08:13.374 --> 08:14.424 align:start ANDISTRICTING AND BIG MONEY ACTIVISM ON THE FAR RIGHT. GWEN: EXPLAIN TO ME AND EXPLAIN 08:14.425 --> 08:15.443 align:start ACTIVISM ON THE FAR RIGHT. GWEN: EXPLAIN TO ME AND EXPLAIN TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WATCH 08:15.444 --> 08:17.863 align:start GWEN: EXPLAIN TO ME AND EXPLAIN TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WATCH CASUALLY, HOW IT IS THAT 08:17.866 --> 08:19.487 align:start TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WATCH CASUALLY, HOW IT IS THAT THE MAINSTREAM REPUBLICANS TO A 08:19.490 --> 08:21.207 align:start CASUALLY, HOW IT IS THAT THE MAINSTREAM REPUBLICANS TO A SAID THIS IS 08:21.208 --> 08:22.704 align:start THE MAINSTREAM REPUBLICANS TO A SAID THIS IS CRAZINESS, WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING 08:22.706 --> 08:24.010 align:start SAID THIS IS CRAZINESS, WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THIS, AND YET THEY WEREN'T ABLE 08:24.011 --> 08:28.818 align:start CRAZINESS, WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THIS, AND YET THEY WEREN'T ABLE IT, WHERE WERE MITCH 08:28.820 --> 08:30.507 align:start THIS, AND YET THEY WEREN'T ABLE IT, WHERE WERE MITCH INONNELL AND JOHN BOEHNER 08:30.509 --> 08:31.683 align:start IT, WHERE WERE MITCH INONNELL AND JOHN BOEHNER ALL OF THIS, BEING ROLLED? 08:31.686 --> 08:33.404 align:start INONNELL AND JOHN BOEHNER ALL OF THIS, BEING ROLLED? >> TO SOME EXTENT. 08:33.406 --> 08:35.283 align:start ALL OF THIS, BEING ROLLED? >> TO SOME EXTENT. THERE'S A CLEAR ABSENCE OF 08:35.285 --> 08:36.175 align:start >> TO SOME EXTENT. THERE'S A CLEAR ABSENCE OF LEADERSHIP AND IN PART IT IS 08:36.176 --> 08:38.084 align:start THERE'S A CLEAR ABSENCE OF LEADERSHIP AND IN PART IT IS BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW THE 08:38.087 --> 08:40.378 align:start LEADERSHIP AND IN PART IT IS BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW THE RISK PRESUMABLY 08:40.379 --> 08:42.798 align:start BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW THE RISK PRESUMABLY OF THE SPEAKERSHIP OR FELT AND 08:42.800 --> 08:44.709 align:start RISK PRESUMABLY OF THE SPEAKERSHIP OR FELT AND ACTED AS THAT WE HE WERE. 08:44.710 --> 08:46.874 align:start OF THE SPEAKERSHIP OR FELT AND ACTED AS THAT WE HE WERE. IF HE DIDN'T DO THESE THINGS -- 08:46.875 --> 08:47.957 align:start ACTED AS THAT WE HE WERE. IF HE DIDN'T DO THESE THINGS -- I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT 08:47.959 --> 08:48.881 align:start IF HE DIDN'T DO THESE THINGS -- I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT AT THE BEGINNING HE WOULD TRY A 08:48.882 --> 08:50.569 align:start I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT AT THE BEGINNING HE WOULD TRY A OF THINGS TO SATISFY THE 08:50.570 --> 08:51.683 align:start AT THE BEGINNING HE WOULD TRY A OF THINGS TO SATISFY THE HARD-LINERS IN HIS CONFERENCE 08:51.685 --> 08:52.574 align:start OF THINGS TO SATISFY THE HARD-LINERS IN HIS CONFERENCE AND THEN SORT OF SAY, WELL, 08:52.577 --> 08:54.486 align:start HARD-LINERS IN HIS CONFERENCE AND THEN SORT OF SAY, WELL, BUTE FOUGHT THE GOOD FIGHT 08:54.488 --> 08:55.504 align:start AND THEN SORT OF SAY, WELL, BUTE FOUGHT THE GOOD FIGHT WE DON'T WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY 08:55.506 --> 08:58.115 align:start BUTE FOUGHT THE GOOD FIGHT WE DON'T WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY TO A SHUTDOWN AND IN FACT HE LET 08:58.117 --> 08:59.993 align:start WE DON'T WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY TO A SHUTDOWN AND IN FACT HE LET GO WELL BEYOND THAT AND 08:59.996 --> 09:02.033 align:start TO A SHUTDOWN AND IN FACT HE LET GO WELL BEYOND THAT AND WOULDN'T GIVE IN, AND IT THEN 09:02.035 --> 09:04.931 align:start GO WELL BEYOND THAT AND WOULDN'T GIVE IN, AND IT THEN WILLS BETWEENOF 09:04.931 --> 09:07.669 align:start WOULDN'T GIVE IN, AND IT THEN WILLS BETWEENOF THE TWO SIDE AND PERSONAL 09:07.671 --> 09:08.942 align:start WILLS BETWEENOF THE TWO SIDE AND PERSONAL EXISTED, THAT I THINK 09:08.945 --> 09:10.598 align:start THE TWO SIDE AND PERSONAL EXISTED, THAT I THINK BUT THE POWER OF THE OUTSIDE 09:10.601 --> 09:13.337 align:start EXISTED, THAT I THINK BUT THE POWER OF THE OUTSIDE FORCES THAT NOW DOMINATE A LOT 09:13.340 --> 09:15.280 align:start BUT THE POWER OF THE OUTSIDE FORCES THAT NOW DOMINATE A LOT OF POLITICS -- IN THIS CASE, 09:15.282 --> 09:17.159 align:start FORCES THAT NOW DOMINATE A LOT OF POLITICS -- IN THIS CASE, HERITAGE ACTION, THE CLUB FOR 09:17.161 --> 09:19.579 align:start OF POLITICS -- IN THIS CASE, HERITAGE ACTION, THE CLUB FOR CONSERVATIVE FUND -- 09:19.581 --> 09:21.266 align:start HERITAGE ACTION, THE CLUB FOR CONSERVATIVE FUND -- THESE ARE GROUPS WHICH HOLD 09:21.269 --> 09:22.158 align:start CONSERVATIVE FUND -- THESE ARE GROUPS WHICH HOLD CONSIDERABLE SWAY IN THESE 09:22.160 --> 09:24.037 align:start THESE ARE GROUPS WHICH HOLD CONSIDERABLE SWAY IN THESE AND EVEN -- THEY CAN 09:24.039 --> 09:27.827 align:start CONSIDERABLE SWAY IN THESE AND EVEN -- THEY CAN IN SENATE PRIMARIES, AND IT HAS 09:27.829 --> 09:28.718 align:start AND EVEN -- THEY CAN IN SENATE PRIMARIES, AND IT HAS INTIMIDATED, I THINK, A LOT OF 09:28.721 --> 09:29.642 align:start IN SENATE PRIMARIES, AND IT HAS INTIMIDATED, I THINK, A LOT OF REPUBLICANS. 09:29.644 --> 09:31.616 align:start INTIMIDATED, I THINK, A LOT OF REPUBLICANS. GWEN: JOHN BOEHNER ONLY GAVE ONE 09:31.617 --> 09:32.985 align:start REPUBLICANS. GWEN: JOHN BOEHNER ONLY GAVE ONE CINCINNATI RADIO 09:32.988 --> 09:34.577 align:start GWEN: JOHN BOEHNER ONLY GAVE ONE CINCINNATI RADIO STATION AFTER THE VOTE WENT DOWN 09:34.580 --> 09:35.438 align:start CINCINNATI RADIO STATION AFTER THE VOTE WENT DOWN THE OTHER NIGHT AND LET'S LISTEN 09:35.440 --> 09:37.476 align:start STATION AFTER THE VOTE WENT DOWN THE OTHER NIGHT AND LET'S LISTEN SAID.T HE 09:37.477 --> 09:38.527 align:start THE OTHER NIGHT AND LET'S LISTEN SAID.T HE >> WE HAVE BEEN LOCKED IN A 09:38.528 --> 09:40.310 align:start SAID.T HE >> WE HAVE BEEN LOCKED IN A FIGHT OVER HERE TRYING TO BRING 09:40.312 --> 09:41.519 align:start >> WE HAVE BEEN LOCKED IN A FIGHT OVER HERE TRYING TO BRING GOVERNMENT DOWN TO SIZE, TRYING 09:41.522 --> 09:43.175 align:start FIGHT OVER HERE TRYING TO BRING GOVERNMENT DOWN TO SIZE, TRYING DO OUR BEST TO STOP 09:43.178 --> 09:44.004 align:start GOVERNMENT DOWN TO SIZE, TRYING DO OUR BEST TO STOP OBAMACARE. 09:44.006 --> 09:45.181 align:start DO OUR BEST TO STOP OBAMACARE. WE FOUGHT THE GOOD FIGHT. 09:45.184 --> 09:47.316 align:start OBAMACARE. WE FOUGHT THE GOOD FIGHT. DIDN'T WIN. 09:47.318 --> 09:49.163 align:start WE FOUGHT THE GOOD FIGHT. DIDN'T WIN. GWEN: HE DID NOT SOUND IN IN A 09:49.164 --> 09:51.838 align:start DIDN'T WIN. GWEN: HE DID NOT SOUND IN IN A WASRVIEW LIKE A GUY WHO 09:51.839 --> 09:54.545 align:start GWEN: HE DID NOT SOUND IN IN A WASRVIEW LIKE A GUY WHO SWEPT ALONG BY OTHER FORCES. 09:54.545 --> 09:56.900 align:start WASRVIEW LIKE A GUY WHO SWEPT ALONG BY OTHER FORCES. LEADINGED LIKE HE WAS 09:56.903 --> 09:57.284 align:start SWEPT ALONG BY OTHER FORCES. LEADINGED LIKE HE WAS THE CHARGE. 09:57.285 --> 09:58.780 align:start LEADINGED LIKE HE WAS THE CHARGE. >> FOLLOWING THE CHARGE, I 09:58.781 --> 09:59.065 align:start THE CHARGE. >> FOLLOWING THE CHARGE, I THINK. 09:59.068 --> 09:59.575 align:start >> FOLLOWING THE CHARGE, I THINK. HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? 09:59.578 --> 10:00.436 align:start THINK. HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? WE SAW HIM AT SEVERAL POINTS 10:00.437 --> 10:01.678 align:start HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? WE SAW HIM AT SEVERAL POINTS WHERE, A, HE SAID 10:01.680 --> 10:02.697 align:start WE SAW HIM AT SEVERAL POINTS WHERE, A, HE SAID THE GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT SHUT 10:02.699 --> 10:05.467 align:start WHERE, A, HE SAID THE GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT SHUT DOWN, B, HE SIGNALED THIS WAS 10:05.469 --> 10:06.168 align:start THE GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT SHUT DOWN, B, HE SIGNALED THIS WAS NOT HIS STRATEGY, HE WAS TRYING 10:06.170 --> 10:08.270 align:start DOWN, B, HE SIGNALED THIS WAS NOT HIS STRATEGY, HE WAS TRYING TO BRING THEM ALONG, BUT AT THE 10:08.272 --> 10:09.160 align:start NOT HIS STRATEGY, HE WAS TRYING TO BRING THEM ALONG, BUT AT THE SAME TIME HE DOES EMERGE FROM 10:09.163 --> 10:11.773 align:start TO BRING THEM ALONG, BUT AT THE SAME TIME HE DOES EMERGE FROM WHOLE PROCESS WITH THE 10:11.775 --> 10:14.096 align:start SAME TIME HE DOES EMERGE FROM WHOLE PROCESS WITH THE SUPPORT OF ALL OR CERTAINLY MOST 10:14.099 --> 10:16.900 align:start WHOLE PROCESS WITH THE SUPPORT OF ALL OR CERTAINLY MOST THE REPUBLICAN 10:16.902 --> 10:17.281 align:start SUPPORT OF ALL OR CERTAINLY MOST THE REPUBLICAN CONFERENCE. 10:17.284 --> 10:17.982 align:start THE REPUBLICAN CONFERENCE. GWEN: BUT THEY WON'T FOLLOW 10:17.983 --> 10:18.461 align:start CONFERENCE. GWEN: BUT THEY WON'T FOLLOW ANYWHERE HE LEADS. 10:18.462 --> 10:20.912 align:start GWEN: BUT THEY WON'T FOLLOW ANYWHERE HE LEADS. THAT'S, THEY WON'T AND 10:20.914 --> 10:21.612 align:start ANYWHERE HE LEADS. THAT'S, THEY WON'T AND SOME OF THE DISCONNECT HERE BUT 10:21.615 --> 10:25.306 align:start THAT'S, THEY WON'T AND SOME OF THE DISCONNECT HERE BUT I THINK HE IS STILL -- FOR ALL 10:25.308 --> 10:27.250 align:start SOME OF THE DISCONNECT HERE BUT I THINK HE IS STILL -- FOR ALL THE, YOU KNOW, JOHN BOEHNER 10:27.251 --> 10:28.172 align:start I THINK HE IS STILL -- FOR ALL THE, YOU KNOW, JOHN BOEHNER DEFINITELY DID NOT WIN THE WEEK. 10:28.173 --> 10:30.912 align:start THE, YOU KNOW, JOHN BOEHNER DEFINITELY DID NOT WIN THE WEEK. HE'S THE BIGGEST LOSERS IN 10:30.913 --> 10:32.949 align:start DEFINITELY DID NOT WIN THE WEEK. HE'S THE BIGGEST LOSERS IN THE WEEK, I DON'T THINK SO. 10:32.950 --> 10:34.223 align:start HE'S THE BIGGEST LOSERS IN THE WEEK, I DON'T THINK SO. HOUSE IPLE AT THE WHITE 10:34.225 --> 10:35.848 align:start THE WEEK, I DON'T THINK SO. HOUSE IPLE AT THE WHITE TALKED TO TODAY AND THROUGHOUT 10:35.850 --> 10:36.771 align:start HOUSE IPLE AT THE WHITE TALKED TO TODAY AND THROUGHOUT THE WEEK SAID JOHN BOEHNER IS 10:36.772 --> 10:37.854 align:start TALKED TO TODAY AND THROUGHOUT THE WEEK SAID JOHN BOEHNER IS NOT THE PERFECT SPEAKER BUT HE 10:37.856 --> 10:39.158 align:start THE WEEK SAID JOHN BOEHNER IS NOT THE PERFECT SPEAKER BUT HE SPEAKER FOR THIS 10:39.161 --> 10:39.604 align:start NOT THE PERFECT SPEAKER BUT HE SPEAKER FOR THIS TIME. 10:39.607 --> 10:40.655 align:start SPEAKER FOR THIS TIME. THIS IS NOT A SPEAKER BOEHNER 10:40.658 --> 10:41.801 align:start TIME. THIS IS NOT A SPEAKER BOEHNER PROBLEM IN AND OF ITSELF. 10:41.804 --> 10:43.713 align:start THIS IS NOT A SPEAKER BOEHNER PROBLEM IN AND OF ITSELF. TO STOPIF HE TRIED 10:43.715 --> 10:45.560 align:start PROBLEM IN AND OF ITSELF. TO STOPIF HE TRIED THINGS EARLIER, HE WOULD HAVE 10:45.562 --> 10:47.312 align:start TO STOPIF HE TRIED THINGS EARLIER, HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN ROLLED AND THEN WHAT 10:47.313 --> 10:48.584 align:start THINGS EARLIER, HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN ROLLED AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED? 10:48.587 --> 10:50.145 align:start GOTTEN ROLLED AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED? THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A HUGE 10:50.147 --> 10:52.089 align:start HAPPENED? THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A HUGE LEADERSHIP VACUUM AND CHANGE, 10:52.089 --> 10:53.075 align:start THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A HUGE LEADERSHIP VACUUM AND CHANGE, EXPLOSION, PERHAPS, AND THAT 10:53.077 --> 10:56.195 align:start LEADERSHIP VACUUM AND CHANGE, EXPLOSION, PERHAPS, AND THAT MIGHT HAVE MADE THINGS WORSE SO 10:56.198 --> 10:56.865 align:start EXPLOSION, PERHAPS, AND THAT MIGHT HAVE MADE THINGS WORSE SO I THINK THAT HE'S DEALING WITH 10:56.867 --> 10:58.743 align:start MIGHT HAVE MADE THINGS WORSE SO I THINK THAT HE'S DEALING WITH HERE.ND HE'S DEALT 10:58.745 --> 11:04.540 align:start I THINK THAT HE'S DEALING WITH HERE.ND HE'S DEALT TO BE TOONT TO 11:04.541 --> 11:05.495 align:start HERE.ND HE'S DEALT TO BE TOONT TO SYMPATHETIC BUT HE'S DEALING 11:05.496 --> 11:06.546 align:start TO BE TOONT TO SYMPATHETIC BUT HE'S DEALING WITH THE GROUP IN FRONT OF HIM. 11:06.547 --> 11:09.189 align:start SYMPATHETIC BUT HE'S DEALING WITH THE GROUP IN FRONT OF HIM. THE GROUP WERE LED 11:09.190 --> 11:11.322 align:start WITH THE GROUP IN FRONT OF HIM. THE GROUP WERE LED THERE BY SOME IN THE CHAMBER, 11:11.323 --> 11:13.168 align:start THE GROUP WERE LED THERE BY SOME IN THE CHAMBER, CRUZ, FRESHMAN TEXAS 11:13.171 --> 11:14.157 align:start THERE BY SOME IN THE CHAMBER, CRUZ, FRESHMAN TEXAS SENATOR, WHO SIGNALED THIS WEEK 11:14.159 --> 11:16.004 align:start CRUZ, FRESHMAN TEXAS SENATOR, WHO SIGNALED THIS WEEK HE'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE. 11:16.006 --> 11:16.417 align:start SENATOR, WHO SIGNALED THIS WEEK HE'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE. LET'S LISTEN. 11:16.420 --> 11:19.730 align:start HE'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE. LET'S LISTEN. AND THIS FIGHT, THIS DEBATE, 11:19.732 --> 11:22.214 align:start LET'S LISTEN. AND THIS FIGHT, THIS DEBATE, UNTIL COLLECTIVELY 11:22.216 --> 11:23.678 align:start AND THIS FIGHT, THIS DEBATE, UNTIL COLLECTIVELY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN MAKE 11:23.680 --> 11:26.575 align:start UNTIL COLLECTIVELY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN MAKE D.C. LISTEN, CAN GET REAL RELIEF 11:26.578 --> 11:27.658 align:start THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN MAKE D.C. LISTEN, CAN GET REAL RELIEF FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE 11:27.661 --> 11:30.365 align:start D.C. LISTEN, CAN GET REAL RELIEF FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE HURT BECAUSE OF OBAMACARE. 11:30.367 --> 11:31.575 align:start FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE HURT BECAUSE OF OBAMACARE. THAT IS HE THE BEST THING 11:31.576 --> 11:32.308 align:start HURT BECAUSE OF OBAMACARE. THAT IS HE THE BEST THING EVER HAPPENED TO THE WHITE 11:32.310 --> 11:33.328 align:start THAT IS HE THE BEST THING EVER HAPPENED TO THE WHITE HOUSE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES 11:33.330 --> 11:34.410 align:start EVER HAPPENED TO THE WHITE HOUSE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO OBAMACARE? 11:34.412 --> 11:37.117 align:start HOUSE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO OBAMACARE? LEAST IN THE -- IN 11:37.119 --> 11:38.041 align:start TO OBAMACARE? LEAST IN THE -- IN MEMORY. 11:38.041 --> 11:40.365 align:start LEAST IN THE -- IN MEMORY. HE IS JUST AMAZING. 11:40.367 --> 11:41.065 align:start MEMORY. HE IS JUST AMAZING. WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT THE PEOPLE, 11:41.068 --> 11:42.052 align:start HE IS JUST AMAZING. WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT THE PEOPLE, PEOPLE, AND THE FACE OF ALL 11:42.055 --> 11:43.231 align:start WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT THE PEOPLE, PEOPLE, AND THE FACE OF ALL THESE POLLS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE 11:43.233 --> 11:45.746 align:start PEOPLE, AND THE FACE OF ALL THESE POLLS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST MONTH AND IT JUST 11:45.749 --> 11:47.815 align:start THESE POLLS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST MONTH AND IT JUST MAKES YOU WONDER WHICH PEOPLE IS 11:47.818 --> 11:48.772 align:start IN THE PAST MONTH AND IT JUST MAKES YOU WONDER WHICH PEOPLE IS HE TALKING ABOUT? 11:48.774 --> 11:50.715 align:start MAKES YOU WONDER WHICH PEOPLE IS HE TALKING ABOUT? BESORT OF KNOW, YOU WANT TO 11:50.717 --> 11:51.861 align:start HE TALKING ABOUT? BESORT OF KNOW, YOU WANT TO A LITTLE BIT CYNICAL, HE'S BUILT 11:51.862 --> 11:53.581 align:start BESORT OF KNOW, YOU WANT TO A LITTLE BIT CYNICAL, HE'S BUILT HIS MAILING LIST AND HIS DONOR 11:53.583 --> 11:57.147 align:start A LITTLE BIT CYNICAL, HE'S BUILT HIS MAILING LIST AND HIS DONOR FAR RIGHT, AND, YOU 11:57.148 --> 11:58.708 align:start HIS MAILING LIST AND HIS DONOR FAR RIGHT, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MOST THINKING THIS 11:58.710 --> 12:00.172 align:start FAR RIGHT, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MOST THINKING THIS IS NOT A MAN WHO'S GOING TO RUN 12:00.175 --> 12:01.254 align:start KNOW, THERE'S MOST THINKING THIS IS NOT A MAN WHO'S GOING TO RUN FOR RE-ELECTION FOR THE SENATE. 12:01.257 --> 12:03.166 align:start IS NOT A MAN WHO'S GOING TO RUN FOR RE-ELECTION FOR THE SENATE. HE'S GOING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT 12:03.168 --> 12:05.905 align:start FOR RE-ELECTION FOR THE SENATE. HE'S GOING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT NOMINATION.BLICAN 12:05.907 --> 12:06.796 align:start HE'S GOING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT NOMINATION.BLICAN GWEN: HE'S JUST THE FACE OF IT. 12:06.797 --> 12:09.057 align:start NOMINATION.BLICAN GWEN: HE'S JUST THE FACE OF IT. THERE WERE MORE REPUBLICANS 12:09.059 --> 12:10.744 align:start GWEN: HE'S JUST THE FACE OF IT. THERE WERE MORE REPUBLICANS THE GOVERNMENT 12:10.747 --> 12:11.445 align:start THERE WERE MORE REPUBLICANS THE GOVERNMENT CLOSED THAN OPEN THE OTHER DAY. 12:11.446 --> 12:14.694 align:start THE GOVERNMENT CLOSED THAN OPEN THE OTHER DAY. GWEN,S NOT JUST TED CRUZ, 12:14.696 --> 12:15.617 align:start CLOSED THAN OPEN THE OTHER DAY. GWEN,S NOT JUST TED CRUZ, BUT A LOT OF THESE HOUSE 12:15.620 --> 12:16.414 align:start GWEN,S NOT JUST TED CRUZ, BUT A LOT OF THESE HOUSE MEMBERS. 12:16.415 --> 12:17.369 align:start BUT A LOT OF THESE HOUSE MEMBERS. WHEN THEY GO HOME AND RAIL 12:17.371 --> 12:19.374 align:start MEMBERS. WHEN THEY GO HOME AND RAIL AGAINST OBAMACARE, THEY GET 12:19.377 --> 12:20.235 align:start WHEN THEY GO HOME AND RAIL AGAINST OBAMACARE, THEY GET THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE AND CAMPAIGN 12:20.237 --> 12:20.648 align:start AGAINST OBAMACARE, THEY GET THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE AND CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS. 12:20.649 --> 12:22.401 align:start THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE AND CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS. IT IS NOT A BAD POLITICAL ISSUE 12:22.403 --> 12:23.036 align:start CONTRIBUTIONS. IT IS NOT A BAD POLITICAL ISSUE FOR THEM. 12:23.039 --> 12:24.438 align:start IT IS NOT A BAD POLITICAL ISSUE FOR THEM. IS, A LOT OF THE 12:24.440 --> 12:26.063 align:start FOR THEM. IS, A LOT OF THE CRITICS SAY THEY DON'T KNOW HOW 12:26.065 --> 12:27.145 align:start IS, A LOT OF THE CRITICS SAY THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO LEGISLATE. 12:27.147 --> 12:28.164 align:start CRITICS SAY THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO LEGISLATE. THE QUESTION IS, ARE THEY REALLY 12:28.165 --> 12:29.915 align:start TO LEGISLATE. THE QUESTION IS, ARE THEY REALLY TO LEGISLATE OR ARE THEY 12:29.917 --> 12:32.845 align:start THE QUESTION IS, ARE THEY REALLY TO LEGISLATE OR ARE THEY TRYING TO MAKE A POINT AND YOU 12:32.846 --> 12:33.896 align:start TO LEGISLATE OR ARE THEY TRYING TO MAKE A POINT AND YOU TO RAISEHEY'RE TRYING 12:33.897 --> 12:34.851 align:start TRYING TO MAKE A POINT AND YOU TO RAISEHEY'RE TRYING MONEY AND MOVE AHEAD IN THEIR 12:34.853 --> 12:36.603 align:start TO RAISEHEY'RE TRYING MONEY AND MOVE AHEAD IN THEIR CAMPAIGN AND YOU CAN ALSO SAY, 12:36.604 --> 12:37.622 align:start MONEY AND MOVE AHEAD IN THEIR CAMPAIGN AND YOU CAN ALSO SAY, YOU HAD MIKE LEE IN THE LEAD-IN 12:37.623 --> 12:39.310 align:start CAMPAIGN AND YOU CAN ALSO SAY, YOU HAD MIKE LEE IN THE LEAD-IN IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, 12:39.310 --> 12:41.634 align:start YOU HAD MIKE LEE IN THE LEAD-IN IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, TO STAND -- AND PROBABLY ALL OF 12:41.636 --> 12:44.214 align:start IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, TO STAND -- AND PROBABLY ALL OF POINT OR ANOTHER SAID 12:44.216 --> 12:45.996 align:start TO STAND -- AND PROBABLY ALL OF POINT OR ANOTHER SAID I'M PROUD I STOOD UP FOR A 12:45.999 --> 12:47.335 align:start POINT OR ANOTHER SAID I'M PROUD I STOOD UP FOR A PRINCIPAL BUT WHEN YOU APPLY 12:47.336 --> 12:49.722 align:start I'M PROUD I STOOD UP FOR A PRINCIPAL BUT WHEN YOU APPLY A LEGISLATIVE CONTEXT, 12:49.725 --> 12:51.761 align:start PRINCIPAL BUT WHEN YOU APPLY A LEGISLATIVE CONTEXT, IT'S PROBLEMATIC. 12:51.763 --> 12:52.938 align:start A LEGISLATIVE CONTEXT, IT'S PROBLEMATIC. THIS DAN, YOU WROTE 12:52.941 --> 12:53.863 align:start IT'S PROBLEMATIC. THIS DAN, YOU WROTE PROVIDES PERHAPS A PIVOT POINT, 12:53.865 --> 12:55.805 align:start THIS DAN, YOU WROTE PROVIDES PERHAPS A PIVOT POINT, PERHAPS A COVER FOR A HEALTHCARE 12:55.806 --> 12:57.653 align:start PROVIDES PERHAPS A PIVOT POINT, PERHAPS A COVER FOR A HEALTHCARE VERYTHAT DIDN'T ROLL OUT 12:57.655 --> 12:59.595 align:start PERHAPS A COVER FOR A HEALTHCARE VERYTHAT DIDN'T ROLL OUT SMOOTHLY BUT CERTAINLY AN 12:59.596 --> 13:00.296 align:start VERYTHAT DIDN'T ROLL OUT SMOOTHLY BUT CERTAINLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. 13:00.298 --> 13:00.995 align:start SMOOTHLY BUT CERTAINLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. >> IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE 13:00.998 --> 13:02.366 align:start OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. >> IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WHITE HOUSE BUT A TRICKY 13:02.368 --> 13:03.353 align:start >> IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WHITE HOUSE BUT A TRICKY OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. 13:03.354 --> 13:05.136 align:start WHITE HOUSE BUT A TRICKY OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. WHAT I WROTE AND SAID WAS, 13:05.138 --> 13:07.047 align:start OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. WHAT I WROTE AND SAID WAS, YESTERDAY WAS LIKE A THIRD 13:07.048 --> 13:08.319 align:start WHAT I WROTE AND SAID WAS, YESTERDAY WAS LIKE A THIRD INAUGURATION DAY FOR PRESIDENT 13:08.322 --> 13:09.085 align:start YESTERDAY WAS LIKE A THIRD INAUGURATION DAY FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA. 13:09.086 --> 13:09.785 align:start INAUGURATION DAY FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA. IT'S UNUSUAL FOR A PRESIDENT TO 13:09.787 --> 13:11.346 align:start OBAMA. IT'S UNUSUAL FOR A PRESIDENT TO BE ABLE TO REBOOT IN THE MIDDLE 13:11.347 --> 13:13.733 align:start IT'S UNUSUAL FOR A PRESIDENT TO BE ABLE TO REBOOT IN THE MIDDLE A TERM AND YET THIS MOMENT 13:13.736 --> 13:21.632 align:start BE ABLE TO REBOOT IN THE MIDDLE A TERM AND YET THIS MOMENT -- CATACLYSMIC THAT 13:21.634 --> 13:22.587 align:start A TERM AND YET THIS MOMENT -- CATACLYSMIC THAT IT CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY. 13:22.588 --> 13:24.433 align:start -- CATACLYSMIC THAT IT CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY. THE QUESTION IS -- THERE MAY BE 13:24.436 --> 13:25.325 align:start IT CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY. THE QUESTION IS -- THERE MAY BE NOTHING THE PRESIDENT CAN DO. 13:25.327 --> 13:28.351 align:start THE QUESTION IS -- THERE MAY BE NOTHING THE PRESIDENT CAN DO. THERE IS ENOUGH 13:28.352 --> 13:29.274 align:start NOTHING THE PRESIDENT CAN DO. THERE IS ENOUGH OPPOSITION ON THE RIGHT IN THE 13:29.277 --> 13:30.038 align:start THERE IS ENOUGH OPPOSITION ON THE RIGHT IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT THEY WILL 13:30.040 --> 13:32.013 align:start OPPOSITION ON THE RIGHT IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT THEY WILL FRUSTRATE ALMOST ANY 13:32.014 --> 13:32.554 align:start REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT THEY WILL FRUSTRATE ALMOST ANY EFFORT AT COMPROMISE. 13:32.555 --> 13:35.006 align:start FRUSTRATE ALMOST ANY EFFORT AT COMPROMISE. I THINK THE QUESTION IS, CAN THE 13:35.009 --> 13:36.822 align:start EFFORT AT COMPROMISE. I THINK THE QUESTION IS, CAN THE BE SUCCESSFUL IN A 13:36.824 --> 13:40.739 align:start I THINK THE QUESTION IS, CAN THE BE SUCCESSFUL IN A STRATEGY IN WHICH HE SPLITS OFF 13:40.741 --> 13:41.726 align:start BE SUCCESSFUL IN A STRATEGY IN WHICH HE SPLITS OFF ENOUGH OF THE ESTABLISHMENT 13:41.727 --> 13:42.553 align:start STRATEGY IN WHICH HE SPLITS OFF ENOUGH OF THE ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS FROM THE TEA PARTY 13:42.556 --> 13:45.420 align:start ENOUGH OF THE ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS FROM THE TEA PARTY AND WILL HE DO THINGS IN TERMS 13:45.421 --> 13:47.489 align:start REPUBLICANS FROM THE TEA PARTY AND WILL HE DO THINGS IN TERMS OF NEGOTIATIONS AND IDEAS THAT 13:47.490 --> 13:48.636 align:start AND WILL HE DO THINGS IN TERMS OF NEGOTIATIONS AND IDEAS THAT HE'S PREPARED TO PUT FORWARD 13:48.637 --> 13:51.503 align:start OF NEGOTIATIONS AND IDEAS THAT HE'S PREPARED TO PUT FORWARD EASIER OR HARDER 13:51.504 --> 13:52.489 align:start HE'S PREPARED TO PUT FORWARD EASIER OR HARDER FOR THEM TO COME TO HIM RATHER 13:52.491 --> 13:55.164 align:start EASIER OR HARDER FOR THEM TO COME TO HIM RATHER THAN STICK WITH THE TEA PARTY. 13:55.166 --> 13:58.062 align:start FOR THEM TO COME TO HIM RATHER THAN STICK WITH THE TEA PARTY. GWEN: AND THE THREE THINGS HE'S 13:58.064 --> 13:59.177 align:start THAN STICK WITH THE TEA PARTY. GWEN: AND THE THREE THINGS HE'S TALKING ABOUT ARE BUDGET 13:59.179 --> 14:00.323 align:start GWEN: AND THE THREE THINGS HE'S TALKING ABOUT ARE BUDGET IMMIGRATION AND 14:00.324 --> 14:01.056 align:start TALKING ABOUT ARE BUDGET IMMIGRATION AND THE FARM BILL. 14:01.058 --> 14:02.265 align:start IMMIGRATION AND THE FARM BILL. ARE THESE WINNABLE BATTLES? 14:02.267 --> 14:04.240 align:start THE FARM BILL. ARE THESE WINNABLE BATTLES? IMMIGRATIONN 14:04.242 --> 14:06.629 align:start ARE THESE WINNABLE BATTLES? IMMIGRATIONN REFORM, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY. 14:06.631 --> 14:08.826 align:start IMMIGRATIONN REFORM, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY. HE IS NOT LIKELY TO GIVE 14:08.827 --> 14:09.590 align:start REFORM, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY. HE IS NOT LIKELY TO GIVE REPUBLICANS TOO MUCH BECAUSE 14:09.592 --> 14:10.641 align:start HE IS NOT LIKELY TO GIVE REPUBLICANS TOO MUCH BECAUSE WHAT IS THE BIGGEST THING IN 14:10.643 --> 14:12.583 align:start REPUBLICANS TOO MUCH BECAUSE WHAT IS THE BIGGEST THING IN 2014 -- BOY, DEMOCRATS SURE WANT 14:12.584 --> 14:14.239 align:start WHAT IS THE BIGGEST THING IN 2014 -- BOY, DEMOCRATS SURE WANT CONTROL OF THAT SENATE. 14:14.241 --> 14:17.168 align:start 2014 -- BOY, DEMOCRATS SURE WANT CONTROL OF THAT SENATE. IF THEY DON'T, THE REST OF HIS 14:17.171 --> 14:19.238 align:start CONTROL OF THAT SENATE. IF THEY DON'T, THE REST OF HIS SE TNGES JUST 14:19.241 --> 14:19.907 align:start IF THEY DON'T, THE REST OF HIS SE TNGES JUST TREMENDOUSLY SO I THINK DAN'S 14:19.910 --> 14:20.194 align:start SE TNGES JUST TREMENDOUSLY SO I THINK DAN'S RIGHT. 14:20.196 --> 14:21.468 align:start TREMENDOUSLY SO I THINK DAN'S RIGHT. HE DOES HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY 14:21.470 --> 14:22.200 align:start RIGHT. HE DOES HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY HERE BUT IT'S A TRICKY 14:22.201 --> 14:23.092 align:start HE DOES HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY HERE BUT IT'S A TRICKY OPPORTUNITY. 14:23.094 --> 14:24.110 align:start HERE BUT IT'S A TRICKY OPPORTUNITY. MORE INTERESTINGLY, I THINK, 14:24.113 --> 14:25.161 align:start OPPORTUNITY. MORE INTERESTINGLY, I THINK, WHAT ARE THOSE REPUBLICANS 14:25.164 --> 14:25.448 align:start MORE INTERESTINGLY, I THINK, WHAT ARE THOSE REPUBLICANS DOING. 14:25.450 --> 14:28.313 align:start WHAT ARE THOSE REPUBLICANS DOING. REPUBLICANSROUP OF 14:28.316 --> 14:29.015 align:start DOING. REPUBLICANSROUP OF IN THE HOUSE WHO THINK BOY, THIS 14:29.016 --> 14:30.830 align:start REPUBLICANSROUP OF IN THE HOUSE WHO THINK BOY, THIS WAS A BAD WAY TO CONDUCT 14:30.832 --> 14:31.658 align:start IN THE HOUSE WHO THINK BOY, THIS WAS A BAD WAY TO CONDUCT BUSINESS? 14:31.660 --> 14:32.900 align:start WAS A BAD WAY TO CONDUCT BUSINESS? CAUCUS.R KING 14:32.902 --> 14:34.429 align:start BUSINESS? CAUCUS.R KING HE'S BEEN OUT THERE SINCE THE 14:34.430 --> 14:36.467 align:start CAUCUS.R KING HE'S BEEN OUT THERE SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING, REPUBLICAN 14:36.468 --> 14:37.613 align:start HE'S BEEN OUT THERE SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING, REPUBLICAN SAYINGSMAN OF NEW YORK 14:37.614 --> 14:39.333 align:start VERY BEGINNING, REPUBLICAN SAYINGSMAN OF NEW YORK WE CANNOT BE LED DOWN THE TED 14:39.335 --> 14:41.339 align:start SAYINGSMAN OF NEW YORK WE CANNOT BE LED DOWN THE TED CRUZ VALLEY OF DEATH. 14:41.340 --> 14:43.123 align:start WE CANNOT BE LED DOWN THE TED CRUZ VALLEY OF DEATH. HAD MANY PEOPLE BEHIND 14:43.125 --> 14:43.377 align:start CRUZ VALLEY OF DEATH. HAD MANY PEOPLE BEHIND HIM. 14:43.379 --> 14:45.033 align:start HAD MANY PEOPLE BEHIND HIM. WE'LL SEE IF THAT GROUP GROWS. 14:45.034 --> 14:47.038 align:start HIM. WE'LL SEE IF THAT GROUP GROWS. PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF PRIMARY 14:47.041 --> 14:47.420 align:start WE'LL SEE IF THAT GROUP GROWS. PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF PRIMARY CHALLENGES. 14:47.423 --> 14:48.791 align:start PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF PRIMARY CHALLENGES. THE PRIMARY FILING DEADLINES FOR 14:48.792 --> 14:51.020 align:start CHALLENGES. THE PRIMARY FILING DEADLINES FOR HOUSE MEMBERS ARE NOT UNTIL NEXT 14:51.021 --> 14:51.306 align:start THE PRIMARY FILING DEADLINES FOR HOUSE MEMBERS ARE NOT UNTIL NEXT YEAR. 14:51.308 --> 14:52.166 align:start HOUSE MEMBERS ARE NOT UNTIL NEXT YEAR. AFRAID OF THAT. 14:52.168 --> 14:54.651 align:start YEAR. AFRAID OF THAT. >> THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH 14:54.653 --> 14:55.605 align:start AFRAID OF THAT. >> THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH MODERATES IN THE HOUSE FOR THAT 14:55.608 --> 14:57.517 align:start >> THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH MODERATES IN THE HOUSE FOR THAT TO HOLD. 14:57.519 --> 14:58.535 align:start MODERATES IN THE HOUSE FOR THAT TO HOLD. GWEN: WHATEVER MODERATE EVEN 14:58.537 --> 14:58.821 align:start TO HOLD. GWEN: WHATEVER MODERATE EVEN MEANS. 14:58.824 --> 15:01.497 align:start GWEN: WHATEVER MODERATE EVEN MEANS. THAT.'T CALL THEM 15:01.498 --> 15:02.739 align:start MEANS. THAT.'T CALL THEM >> YOU TALK ABOUT WHETHER THIS 15:02.740 --> 15:04.236 align:start THAT.'T CALL THEM >> YOU TALK ABOUT WHETHER THIS COULD BE A RESET FOR THE 15:04.237 --> 15:04.585 align:start >> YOU TALK ABOUT WHETHER THIS COULD BE A RESET FOR THE PRESIDENT. 15:04.588 --> 15:06.401 align:start COULD BE A RESET FOR THE PRESIDENT. SITUATION A SIMILAR 15:06.402 --> 15:07.993 align:start PRESIDENT. SITUATION A SIMILAR IN THE MID 90'S WHERE IT WAS A 15:07.994 --> 15:09.457 align:start SITUATION A SIMILAR IN THE MID 90'S WHERE IT WAS A RESET FOR PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON 15:09.460 --> 15:11.305 align:start IN THE MID 90'S WHERE IT WAS A RESET FOR PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON 1994 WHEN THEINTO 15:11.307 --> 15:12.834 align:start RESET FOR PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON 1994 WHEN THEINTO REPUBLICANS TOOK OVER CONGRESS 15:12.835 --> 15:13.980 align:start 1994 WHEN THEINTO REPUBLICANS TOOK OVER CONGRESS AND THEN IMMEDIATELY AFTER, HE 15:13.982 --> 15:16.655 align:start REPUBLICANS TOOK OVER CONGRESS AND THEN IMMEDIATELY AFTER, HE THANN A MUCH WORSE SHAPE 15:16.657 --> 15:18.533 align:start AND THEN IMMEDIATELY AFTER, HE THANN A MUCH WORSE SHAPE EVEN PRESIDENT OBAMA IS. 15:18.536 --> 15:20.412 align:start THANN A MUCH WORSE SHAPE EVEN PRESIDENT OBAMA IS. BUT THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE. 15:20.414 --> 15:26.239 align:start EVEN PRESIDENT OBAMA IS. BUT THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE. ONCE HE, YOU KNOW, WENT YUKIYA 15:26.242 --> 15:27.386 align:start BUT THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE. ONCE HE, YOU KNOW, WENT YUKIYA HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH THE 15:27.389 --> 15:29.106 align:start ONCE HE, YOU KNOW, WENT YUKIYA HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH THE REPUBLICANS OVER A SHUTDOWN AND 15:29.108 --> 15:30.412 align:start HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH THE REPUBLICANS OVER A SHUTDOWN AND A REPUBLICANACING 15:30.413 --> 15:32.195 align:start REPUBLICANS OVER A SHUTDOWN AND A REPUBLICANACING PARTY IN WHICH ABOUT 1/3 OR MORE 15:32.197 --> 15:33.946 align:start A REPUBLICANACING PARTY IN WHICH ABOUT 1/3 OR MORE OF THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS WERE 15:33.948 --> 15:35.731 align:start PARTY IN WHICH ABOUT 1/3 OR MORE OF THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS WERE HAD WON.RICTS THAT HE 15:35.732 --> 15:37.895 align:start OF THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS WERE HAD WON.RICTS THAT HE THERE ARE VERY FEW -- SOMEBODY 15:37.898 --> 15:38.755 align:start HAD WON.RICTS THAT HE THERE ARE VERY FEW -- SOMEBODY HERE MIGHT KNOW. 15:38.756 --> 15:39.041 align:start THERE ARE VERY FEW -- SOMEBODY HERE MIGHT KNOW. >> 17. 15:39.044 --> 15:40.698 align:start HERE MIGHT KNOW. >> 17. I KNEW IT WAS UNDER 20. 15:40.700 --> 15:41.526 align:start >> 17. I KNEW IT WAS UNDER 20. >> 7%. 15:41.527 --> 15:44.646 align:start I KNEW IT WAS UNDER 20. >> 7%. YOU, AND THAT JUST TELLS 15:44.647 --> 15:46.047 align:start >> 7%. YOU, AND THAT JUST TELLS AND CHARLIE SAID, WHEN THEY GO 15:46.049 --> 15:47.672 align:start YOU, AND THAT JUST TELLS AND CHARLIE SAID, WHEN THEY GO BACK TO THEIR DISTRICTS, IT'S 15:47.674 --> 15:49.455 align:start AND CHARLIE SAID, WHEN THEY GO BACK TO THEIR DISTRICTS, IT'S CENTRISTSRE'S NO 15:49.457 --> 15:51.970 align:start BACK TO THEIR DISTRICTS, IT'S CENTRISTSRE'S NO TELLING THEM THEY OUGHT TO BE 15:51.972 --> 15:53.436 align:start CENTRISTSRE'S NO TELLING THEM THEY OUGHT TO BE COMPROMISING WITH PRESIDENT 15:53.437 --> 15:53.722 align:start TELLING THEM THEY OUGHT TO BE COMPROMISING WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA. 15:53.724 --> 15:54.583 align:start COMPROMISING WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA. DID COME OUTSIDENT 15:54.585 --> 15:56.811 align:start OBAMA. DID COME OUTSIDENT AND TALK YESTERDAY, STATE DINING 15:56.813 --> 15:59.996 align:start DID COME OUTSIDENT AND TALK YESTERDAY, STATE DINING HE THINKS LIEST 15:59.998 --> 16:00.282 align:start AND TALK YESTERDAY, STATE DINING HE THINKS LIEST AHEAD. 16:00.283 --> 16:01.843 align:start HE THINKS LIEST AHEAD. >> RIGHT NOW THERE ARE FOLKS 16:01.844 --> 16:02.862 align:start AHEAD. >> RIGHT NOW THERE ARE FOLKS ANOTHER SIDE WHO THINK MY 16:02.863 --> 16:04.708 align:start >> RIGHT NOW THERE ARE FOLKS ANOTHER SIDE WHO THINK MY ARE MISGUIDED. 16:04.710 --> 16:08.275 align:start ANOTHER SIDE WHO THINK MY ARE MISGUIDED. THAT'S PUTTING IT MILDLY. 16:08.276 --> 16:10.218 align:start ARE MISGUIDED. THAT'S PUTTING IT MILDLY. THAT'S OK. 16:10.220 --> 16:11.174 align:start THAT'S PUTTING IT MILDLY. THAT'S OK. THAT'S DEMOCRACY. 16:11.176 --> 16:13.243 align:start THAT'S OK. THAT'S DEMOCRACY. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. 16:13.246 --> 16:14.295 align:start THAT'S DEMOCRACY. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. WE SHOULDN'T FAIL TO ACT ON 16:14.297 --> 16:16.236 align:start THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. WE SHOULDN'T FAIL TO ACT ON AREAS THAT WE DO AGREE OR COULD 16:16.239 --> 16:18.275 align:start WE SHOULDN'T FAIL TO ACT ON AREAS THAT WE DO AGREE OR COULD WE DON'TT BECAUSE 16:18.277 --> 16:21.173 align:start AREAS THAT WE DO AGREE OR COULD WE DON'TT BECAUSE THINK IT'S GOOD POLITICS, JUST 16:21.175 --> 16:22.097 align:start WE DON'TT BECAUSE THINK IT'S GOOD POLITICS, JUST BECAUSE THE EXTREMES IN OUR 16:22.099 --> 16:25.695 align:start THINK IT'S GOOD POLITICS, JUST BECAUSE THE EXTREMES IN OUR DON'T LIKE THE WORD 16:25.697 --> 16:26.109 align:start BECAUSE THE EXTREMES IN OUR DON'T LIKE THE WORD "COMPROMISE." 16:26.111 --> 16:27.574 align:start DON'T LIKE THE WORD "COMPROMISE." GWEN: THE PRESIDENT HAS A TALENT 16:27.576 --> 16:29.643 align:start "COMPROMISE." GWEN: THE PRESIDENT HAS A TALENT FOR COMING OUT KIND OF SWINGING 16:29.645 --> 16:31.968 align:start GWEN: THE PRESIDENT HAS A TALENT FOR COMING OUT KIND OF SWINGING BUT NOT SOUNDING LIKE HE'S 16:31.970 --> 16:32.637 align:start FOR COMING OUT KIND OF SWINGING BUT NOT SOUNDING LIKE HE'S SWINGING UNTIL YOU THINK ABOUT 16:32.639 --> 16:33.464 align:start BUT NOT SOUNDING LIKE HE'S SWINGING UNTIL YOU THINK ABOUT LATER AND IT SOUNDS LIKE HE 16:33.466 --> 16:35.312 align:start SWINGING UNTIL YOU THINK ABOUT LATER AND IT SOUNDS LIKE HE COULD HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE 16:35.314 --> 16:37.127 align:start LATER AND IT SOUNDS LIKE HE COULD HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE CONCILIATORY IF HE WANTED TO BE 16:37.129 --> 16:38.528 align:start COULD HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE CONCILIATORY IF HE WANTED TO BE BUT HE'S DECIDED NOT TO BE. 16:38.530 --> 16:40.184 align:start CONCILIATORY IF HE WANTED TO BE BUT HE'S DECIDED NOT TO BE. >> I THINK THAT'S TRUE, GWEN, 16:40.186 --> 16:41.235 align:start BUT HE'S DECIDED NOT TO BE. >> I THINK THAT'S TRUE, GWEN, AND I THINK THE PRESIDENT AND 16:41.237 --> 16:44.866 align:start >> I THINK THAT'S TRUE, GWEN, AND I THINK THE PRESIDENT AND TEAM KIND OF GOT FED UP AND 16:44.868 --> 16:47.763 align:start AND I THINK THE PRESIDENT AND TEAM KIND OF GOT FED UP AND ONSAW THEM STAY MUCH TOUGHER 16:47.765 --> 16:48.846 align:start TEAM KIND OF GOT FED UP AND ONSAW THEM STAY MUCH TOUGHER THIS DEBT CEILING SITUATION THAN 16:48.848 --> 16:49.610 align:start ONSAW THEM STAY MUCH TOUGHER THIS DEBT CEILING SITUATION THAN THEY DID TWO YEARS AGO. 16:49.612 --> 16:51.616 align:start THIS DEBT CEILING SITUATION THAN THEY DID TWO YEARS AGO. THEY FELT LIKE THEY LEARNED 16:51.618 --> 16:52.668 align:start THEY DID TWO YEARS AGO. THEY FELT LIKE THEY LEARNED THEIR LESSON TWO YEARS AGO, THEY 16:52.670 --> 16:54.546 align:start THEY FELT LIKE THEY LEARNED THEIR LESSON TWO YEARS AGO, THEY TRIED TO NEGOTIATE, THE 16:54.548 --> 16:55.501 align:start THEIR LESSON TWO YEARS AGO, THEY TRIED TO NEGOTIATE, THE REPUBLICANS WOULD NOT MOVE 16:55.503 --> 16:56.712 align:start TRIED TO NEGOTIATE, THE REPUBLICANS WOULD NOT MOVE WHEN HE SAID, THE 16:56.713 --> 16:57.348 align:start REPUBLICANS WOULD NOT MOVE WHEN HE SAID, THE NEVER AGAIN ON THIS. 16:57.350 --> 16:59.259 align:start WHEN HE SAID, THE NEVER AGAIN ON THIS. NOW WE'VE GOTTEN PAST THIS. 16:59.261 --> 17:00.214 align:start NEVER AGAIN ON THIS. NOW WE'VE GOTTEN PAST THIS. IT'S PROBABLY UNLIKELY THE 17:00.216 --> 17:01.329 align:start NOW WE'VE GOTTEN PAST THIS. IT'S PROBABLY UNLIKELY THE FOR ANCANS WILL LOOK 17:01.331 --> 17:02.953 align:start IT'S PROBABLY UNLIKELY THE FOR ANCANS WILL LOOK EXACT REPEAT OF THIS IN JANUARY 17:02.955 --> 17:04.195 align:start FOR ANCANS WILL LOOK EXACT REPEAT OF THIS IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY. 17:04.197 --> 17:05.214 align:start EXACT REPEAT OF THIS IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY. YOU MENTIONED IMMIGRATION, A 17:05.216 --> 17:06.201 align:start OR FEBRUARY. YOU MENTIONED IMMIGRATION, A ISSUE. 17:06.203 --> 17:07.061 align:start YOU MENTIONED IMMIGRATION, A ISSUE. IT'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY 17:07.063 --> 17:07.730 align:start ISSUE. IT'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY TOUGH. 17:07.732 --> 17:10.787 align:start IT'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY TOUGH. JOHN BOEHNER FINALLY GOT THIS 17:10.789 --> 17:11.647 align:start TOUGH. JOHN BOEHNER FINALLY GOT THIS BILL ACROSS THE FINISH LINE THE 17:11.649 --> 17:16.551 align:start JOHN BOEHNER FINALLY GOT THIS BILL ACROSS THE FINISH LINE THE THE FISCAL CLIFF 17:16.553 --> 17:17.474 align:start BILL ACROSS THE FINISH LINE THE THE FISCAL CLIFF BILL, THAT IS WITH A MINORITY OF 17:17.476 --> 17:17.920 align:start THE FISCAL CLIFF BILL, THAT IS WITH A MINORITY OF THE REPUBLICANS. 17:17.922 --> 17:18.875 align:start BILL, THAT IS WITH A MINORITY OF THE REPUBLICANS. IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH FOR HIM 17:18.877 --> 17:20.659 align:start THE REPUBLICANS. IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH FOR HIM CAN'T SEE HIM I 17:20.661 --> 17:21.678 align:start IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH FOR HIM CAN'T SEE HIM I DOING THAT ON IMMIGRATION. 17:21.680 --> 17:23.493 align:start CAN'T SEE HIM I DOING THAT ON IMMIGRATION. THERE ARE SO MANY REPUBLICANS 17:23.495 --> 17:25.308 align:start DOING THAT ON IMMIGRATION. THERE ARE SO MANY REPUBLICANS IS, BACK HOME IMMIGRATION 17:25.310 --> 17:28.142 align:start THERE ARE SO MANY REPUBLICANS IS, BACK HOME IMMIGRATION UNPOPULAR AMONG THEIR PRIMARY 17:28.144 --> 17:28.461 align:start IS, BACK HOME IMMIGRATION UNPOPULAR AMONG THEIR PRIMARY VOTERS. 17:28.463 --> 17:29.193 align:start UNPOPULAR AMONG THEIR PRIMARY VOTERS. GWEN: SO IS THE WHITE HOUSE -- 17:29.195 --> 17:30.945 align:start VOTERS. GWEN: SO IS THE WHITE HOUSE -- DEMOCRATS -- HARRY REID 17:30.946 --> 17:32.792 align:start GWEN: SO IS THE WHITE HOUSE -- DEMOCRATS -- HARRY REID IS AN INTERESTING FIGURE IN ALL 17:32.794 --> 17:34.830 align:start DEMOCRATS -- HARRY REID IS AN INTERESTING FIGURE IN ALL TOTHIS -- IS THERE A PLAN 17:34.832 --> 17:36.677 align:start IS AN INTERESTING FIGURE IN ALL TOTHIS -- IS THERE A PLAN DARE THESE GUYS WHO WALK OFF THE 17:36.679 --> 17:37.696 align:start TOTHIS -- IS THERE A PLAN DARE THESE GUYS WHO WALK OFF THE CLIFF AGAIN AND HOPE THEY GET 17:37.698 --> 17:40.530 align:start DARE THESE GUYS WHO WALK OFF THE CLIFF AGAIN AND HOPE THEY GET OF VICTORY? 17:40.532 --> 17:41.836 align:start CLIFF AGAIN AND HOPE THEY GET OF VICTORY? >> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 17:41.838 --> 17:45.403 align:start OF VICTORY? >> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HOUSE SENATEHE NEW 17:45.405 --> 17:46.263 align:start >> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HOUSE SENATEHE NEW BUDGET CONFERENCE COMES UP WITH 17:46.264 --> 17:46.549 align:start HOUSE SENATEHE NEW BUDGET CONFERENCE COMES UP WITH FIRST. 17:46.551 --> 17:47.950 align:start BUDGET CONFERENCE COMES UP WITH FIRST. I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS 17:47.952 --> 17:50.211 align:start FIRST. I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS SORT OF HIS -- REMINDS ME 17:50.213 --> 17:51.803 align:start I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS SORT OF HIS -- REMINDS ME OF THE SUPER COMMITTEE OF 17:51.805 --> 17:53.777 align:start SORT OF HIS -- REMINDS ME OF THE SUPER COMMITTEE OF OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER OF 2011, 17:53.779 --> 17:56.612 align:start OF THE SUPER COMMITTEE OF OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER OF 2011, AND THAT CAME TO NOTHING. 17:56.614 --> 17:58.809 align:start OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER OF 2011, AND THAT CAME TO NOTHING. CAN --U KNOW, IF THAT 17:58.811 --> 18:00.593 align:start AND THAT CAME TO NOTHING. CAN --U KNOW, IF THAT THEY'VE LOWERED THEIR SIGHTS, 18:00.595 --> 18:02.821 align:start CAN --U KNOW, IF THAT THEY'VE LOWERED THEIR SIGHTS, A GRANDNO MORE TALK OF 18:02.823 --> 18:03.140 align:start THEY'VE LOWERED THEIR SIGHTS, A GRANDNO MORE TALK OF BARGAIN. 18:03.142 --> 18:04.923 align:start A GRANDNO MORE TALK OF BARGAIN. IF THEY CAN JUST COME TOGETHER 18:04.925 --> 18:06.165 align:start BARGAIN. IF THEY CAN JUST COME TOGETHER ON A LIMITED PACKAGE THAT WILL 18:06.167 --> 18:08.140 align:start IF THEY CAN JUST COME TOGETHER ON A LIMITED PACKAGE THAT WILL INSTANCE, 18:08.142 --> 18:09.318 align:start ON A LIMITED PACKAGE THAT WILL INSTANCE, SEQUESTRATION, THESE AUTOMATIC 18:09.320 --> 18:10.082 align:start INSTANCE, SEQUESTRATION, THESE AUTOMATIC ACROSS-THE-BOARD CUTS. 18:10.084 --> 18:12.312 align:start SEQUESTRATION, THESE AUTOMATIC ACROSS-THE-BOARD CUTS. HAVE TOWHAT'S NEXT, WE 18:12.314 --> 18:13.394 align:start ACROSS-THE-BOARD CUTS. HAVE TOWHAT'S NEXT, WE KNOW WHAT THIS COMMITTEE COMES 18:13.396 --> 18:15.305 align:start HAVE TOWHAT'S NEXT, WE KNOW WHAT THIS COMMITTEE COMES OUT WITH AND THEY HAVE TO REPORT 18:15.307 --> 18:17.725 align:start KNOW WHAT THIS COMMITTEE COMES OUT WITH AND THEY HAVE TO REPORT DECEMBER 15, IN 18:17.727 --> 18:18.871 align:start OUT WITH AND THEY HAVE TO REPORT DECEMBER 15, IN TIME -- DECEMBER 13, IN TIME FOR 18:18.873 --> 18:21.673 align:start DECEMBER 15, IN TIME -- DECEMBER 13, IN TIME FOR FINAL ACTION BY CONGRESS ON 18:21.675 --> 18:22.533 align:start TIME -- DECEMBER 13, IN TIME FOR FINAL ACTION BY CONGRESS ON JANUARY 15 SO THAT THE 18:22.535 --> 18:23.521 align:start FINAL ACTION BY CONGRESS ON JANUARY 15 SO THAT THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT SHUT DOWN 18:23.523 --> 18:24.508 align:start JANUARY 15 SO THAT THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT SHUT DOWN AGAIN. 18:24.510 --> 18:25.304 align:start GOVERNMENT DOES NOT SHUT DOWN AGAIN. GWEN: WHICH EVERYBODY HAS SWORN 18:25.306 --> 18:26.705 align:start AGAIN. GWEN: WHICH EVERYBODY HAS SWORN TO HAPPEN.G 18:26.707 --> 18:28.616 align:start GWEN: WHICH EVERYBODY HAS SWORN TO HAPPEN.G >> WELL, NOT EVERYBODY. 18:28.617 --> 18:29.411 align:start TO HAPPEN.G >> WELL, NOT EVERYBODY. >> I THINK THAT'S REALLY 18:29.413 --> 18:31.419 align:start >> WELL, NOT EVERYBODY. >> I THINK THAT'S REALLY THOSESTING, WHEN YOU ASK 18:31.420 --> 18:33.074 align:start >> I THINK THAT'S REALLY THOSESTING, WHEN YOU ASK PEOPLE, WAS THIS WORTH IT, SOME 18:33.076 --> 18:34.890 align:start THOSESTING, WHEN YOU ASK PEOPLE, WAS THIS WORTH IT, SOME VERY DIFFERENT ANSWERS. 18:34.892 --> 18:36.991 align:start PEOPLE, WAS THIS WORTH IT, SOME VERY DIFFERENT ANSWERS. TED CRUZ SAYS, YES, IT 18:36.993 --> 18:38.711 align:start VERY DIFFERENT ANSWERS. TED CRUZ SAYS, YES, IT WAS WORTH IT, HE WOULD DO IT 18:38.713 --> 18:40.780 align:start TED CRUZ SAYS, YES, IT WAS WORTH IT, HE WOULD DO IT AGAIN. 18:40.782 --> 18:41.736 align:start WAS WORTH IT, HE WOULD DO IT AGAIN. NOT MITCH MCCONNELL, HE SAID 18:41.737 --> 18:43.646 align:start AGAIN. NOT MITCH MCCONNELL, HE SAID THERE'S NO EDUCATION LIKE THE 18:43.648 --> 18:44.570 align:start NOT MITCH MCCONNELL, HE SAID THERE'S NO EDUCATION LIKE THE SECOND KICK OF A MULE. 18:44.572 --> 18:47.405 align:start THERE'S NO EDUCATION LIKE THE SECOND KICK OF A MULE. HE THINKS FIRST ONE WAS 18:47.407 --> 18:47.691 align:start SECOND KICK OF A MULE. HE THINKS FIRST ONE WAS 1996. 18:47.693 --> 18:48.806 align:start HE THINKS FIRST ONE WAS 1996. >> CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT 18:48.808 --> 18:50.366 align:start 1996. >> CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT MITCH MCCONNELL. 18:50.368 --> 18:51.448 align:start >> CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT MITCH MCCONNELL. WE'VE GONE THIS WHOLE YEAR AND 18:51.450 --> 18:52.563 align:start MITCH MCCONNELL. WE'VE GONE THIS WHOLE YEAR AND SAYING MITCH MCCONNELL WAS 18:52.565 --> 18:54.219 align:start WE'VE GONE THIS WHOLE YEAR AND SAYING MITCH MCCONNELL WAS SIDELINED BECAUSE HE'S UP FOR 18:54.221 --> 18:55.429 align:start SAYING MITCH MCCONNELL WAS SIDELINED BECAUSE HE'S UP FOR A TEACTION, WORRIED ABOUT 18:55.431 --> 18:55.779 align:start SIDELINED BECAUSE HE'S UP FOR A TEACTION, WORRIED ABOUT PARTY FOE. 18:55.781 --> 18:56.384 align:start A TEACTION, WORRIED ABOUT PARTY FOE. HE GOT A TEA PARTY FOE. 18:56.386 --> 18:58.231 align:start PARTY FOE. HE GOT A TEA PARTY FOE. THE TEA PARTY HAS ENDORSED HIS 18:58.233 --> 19:03.772 align:start HE GOT A TEA PARTY FOE. THE TEA PARTY HAS ENDORSED HIS HE'SY, IN SOME WAYS, 19:03.774 --> 19:04.123 align:start THE TEA PARTY HAS ENDORSED HIS HE'SY, IN SOME WAYS, LIBERATED. 19:04.125 --> 19:05.014 align:start HE'SY, IN SOME WAYS, LIBERATED. THE GENERAL TO 19:05.016 --> 19:06.607 align:start LIBERATED. THE GENERAL TO ELECTION AND WELCOMING THE 19:06.609 --> 19:08.390 align:start THE GENERAL TO ELECTION AND WELCOMING THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK LIKE HE'S 19:08.392 --> 19:09.983 align:start ELECTION AND WELCOMING THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK LIKE HE'S WHO'S BIPARTISAN AND 19:09.985 --> 19:11.415 align:start OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK LIKE HE'S WHO'S BIPARTISAN AND GETS THINGS DONE. 19:11.417 --> 19:12.530 align:start WHO'S BIPARTISAN AND GETS THINGS DONE. GWEN: IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER 19:12.532 --> 19:13.581 align:start GETS THINGS DONE. GWEN: IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THE RED LINE IN THIS CASE NEVER 19:13.583 --> 19:15.587 align:start GWEN: IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THE RED LINE IN THIS CASE NEVER DOWN. SHUT 19:15.589 --> 19:16.223 align:start THE RED LINE IN THIS CASE NEVER DOWN. SHUT IN THE END IT WAS ABOUT THE 19:16.225 --> 19:16.861 align:start DOWN. SHUT IN THE END IT WAS ABOUT THE THREAT OF THE DEBT CEILING. 19:16.863 --> 19:18.071 align:start IN THE END IT WAS ABOUT THE THREAT OF THE DEBT CEILING. THAT'S WHAT PUSHED EVERYBODY OUT 19:18.073 --> 19:19.982 align:start THREAT OF THE DEBT CEILING. THAT'S WHAT PUSHED EVERYBODY OUT HAS ALSO BEEN KICKED -- 19:19.984 --> 19:21.287 align:start THAT'S WHAT PUSHED EVERYBODY OUT HAS ALSO BEEN KICKED -- I HATE TO USE THE TERM, I'M NOT 19:21.289 --> 19:23.007 align:start HAS ALSO BEEN KICKED -- I HATE TO USE THE TERM, I'M NOT GOING TO USE IT. 19:23.009 --> 19:23.899 align:start I HATE TO USE THE TERM, I'M NOT GOING TO USE IT. IT'S BEEN DELAYED. 19:23.901 --> 19:25.204 align:start GOING TO USE IT. IT'S BEEN DELAYED. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THE CAN 19:25.206 --> 19:25.523 align:start IT'S BEEN DELAYED. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THE CAN PHRASE. 19:25.525 --> 19:26.032 align:start I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THE CAN PHRASE. HOW ABOUT THAT? 19:26.034 --> 19:27.720 align:start PHRASE. HOW ABOUT THAT? WHAT ABOUT A POTENTIAL FOR THAT? 19:27.722 --> 19:30.554 align:start HOW ABOUT THAT? WHAT ABOUT A POTENTIAL FOR THAT? I THINK JACKIE'S RIGHT. 19:30.555 --> 19:31.764 align:start WHAT ABOUT A POTENTIAL FOR THAT? I THINK JACKIE'S RIGHT. WE'LL GET A SENSE IN THESE 19:31.766 --> 19:32.433 align:start I THINK JACKIE'S RIGHT. WE'LL GET A SENSE IN THESE BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS. 19:32.435 --> 19:35.427 align:start WE'LL GET A SENSE IN THESE BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS. THAT'S THE REAL TEST OF 19:35.429 --> 19:38.260 align:start BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS. THAT'S THE REAL TEST OF WHAT THE EFFECT OF THESE LAST 19:38.262 --> 19:39.184 align:start THAT'S THE REAL TEST OF WHAT THE EFFECT OF THESE LAST WEEKS HAS BEEN. 19:39.186 --> 19:40.330 align:start WHAT THE EFFECT OF THESE LAST WEEKS HAS BEEN. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT WE 19:40.332 --> 19:41.254 align:start WEEKS HAS BEEN. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH FOR THE LAST 19:41.256 --> 19:43.323 align:start WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH FOR THE LAST ALL IT HASX WEEKS, 19:43.325 --> 19:44.884 align:start HAVE BEEN THROUGH FOR THE LAST ALL IT HASX WEEKS, BEEN ABOUT IS PROCESS. 19:44.886 --> 19:46.891 align:start ALL IT HASX WEEKS, BEEN ABOUT IS PROCESS. I KNOW THAT THE IDEA WAS TO 19:46.893 --> 19:48.928 align:start BEEN ABOUT IS PROCESS. I KNOW THAT THE IDEA WAS TO BUT THAT WAS AE 19:48.930 --> 19:49.724 align:start I KNOW THAT THE IDEA WAS TO BUT THAT WAS AE LOSING STRATEGY FROM THE START. 19:49.726 --> 19:51.540 align:start BUT THAT WAS AE LOSING STRATEGY FROM THE START. EVERYTHING HAS BEEN AIMED AT 19:51.542 --> 19:53.769 align:start LOSING STRATEGY FROM THE START. EVERYTHING HAS BEEN AIMED AT LET'S GET GOVERNMENT 19:53.771 --> 19:55.584 align:start EVERYTHING HAS BEEN AIMED AT LET'S GET GOVERNMENT REOPENED AND THE DEBT CEILING 19:55.586 --> 19:57.558 align:start LET'S GET GOVERNMENT REOPENED AND THE DEBT CEILING GETE PUSHED SO WE CAN THEN 19:57.560 --> 19:59.406 align:start REOPENED AND THE DEBT CEILING GETE PUSHED SO WE CAN THEN TO SUBSTANCE AND WE KEEP PUTTING 19:59.408 --> 20:00.552 align:start GETE PUSHED SO WE CAN THEN TO SUBSTANCE AND WE KEEP PUTTING OFF THE SUBSTANCE. 20:00.554 --> 20:01.379 align:start TO SUBSTANCE AND WE KEEP PUTTING OFF THE SUBSTANCE. GWEN: IS THAT PART OF THE REASON 20:01.381 --> 20:05.934 align:start OFF THE SUBSTANCE. GWEN: IS THAT PART OF THE REASON EVERY POLL SHOWS THIS 20:05.936 --> 20:11.316 align:start GWEN: IS THAT PART OF THE REASON EVERY POLL SHOWS THIS EXASPERATION ON THE 20:11.317 --> 20:12.844 align:start EVERY POLL SHOWS THIS EXASPERATION ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? 20:12.845 --> 20:14.627 align:start EXASPERATION ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? >> I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE 20:14.629 --> 20:17.620 align:start AMERICAN PEOPLE? >> I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE CONFUSION HERE. 20:17.622 --> 20:19.468 align:start >> I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE CONFUSION HERE. DEFUNDING OBAMACARE WAS A 20:19.470 --> 20:20.614 align:start CONFUSION HERE. DEFUNDING OBAMACARE WAS A HOPELESS CAUSE IF YOU REALLY 20:20.616 --> 20:22.492 align:start DEFUNDING OBAMACARE WAS A HOPELESS CAUSE IF YOU REALLY YOU'D GET HIM TO DEFUND 20:22.494 --> 20:23.321 align:start HOPELESS CAUSE IF YOU REALLY YOU'D GET HIM TO DEFUND OBAMACARE. 20:23.323 --> 20:24.500 align:start YOU'D GET HIM TO DEFUND OBAMACARE. SO A LOT OF WHAT WAS GOING ON 20:24.501 --> 20:26.314 align:start OBAMACARE. SO A LOT OF WHAT WAS GOING ON UP DIFFERENT THINGS -- FIRE 20:26.316 --> 20:29.021 align:start SO A LOT OF WHAT WAS GOING ON UP DIFFERENT THINGS -- FIRE YOUR BASE, PERHAPS SET OFF A 20:29.023 --> 20:31.887 align:start UP DIFFERENT THINGS -- FIRE YOUR BASE, PERHAPS SET OFF A FOR PRESIDENT AND 20:31.889 --> 20:33.129 align:start YOUR BASE, PERHAPS SET OFF A FOR PRESIDENT AND THAT'S WHAT'S FRUSTRATING AND 20:33.131 --> 20:34.816 align:start FOR PRESIDENT AND THAT'S WHAT'S FRUSTRATING AND ALSO CONFUSING THE AMERICAN 20:34.818 --> 20:35.740 align:start THAT'S WHAT'S FRUSTRATING AND ALSO CONFUSING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY 20:35.742 --> 20:37.906 align:start ALSO CONFUSING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT 20:37.908 --> 20:38.606 align:start PEOPLE BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 20:38.608 --> 20:39.753 align:start TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. GWEN: IDEOLOGIES FOR PROCESS. 20:39.755 --> 20:41.791 align:start THINGS. GWEN: IDEOLOGIES FOR PROCESS. CRUSADERS VERSUS LEGISLATORS. 20:41.793 --> 20:43.352 align:start GWEN: IDEOLOGIES FOR PROCESS. CRUSADERS VERSUS LEGISLATORS. >> IT HAS SHOWN THE ENERGY IN 20:43.354 --> 20:44.562 align:start CRUSADERS VERSUS LEGISLATORS. >> IT HAS SHOWN THE ENERGY IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY STILL 20:44.564 --> 20:47.300 align:start >> IT HAS SHOWN THE ENERGY IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY STILL ON ONE SIDE WHICH WE KNEW 20:47.302 --> 20:48.255 align:start THE REPUBLICAN PARTY STILL ON ONE SIDE WHICH WE KNEW BUT GOING INTO A MIDTERM 20:48.257 --> 20:51.057 align:start ON ONE SIDE WHICH WE KNEW BUT GOING INTO A MIDTERM FRIGHTENINGR IT'S A 20:51.059 --> 20:51.917 align:start BUT GOING INTO A MIDTERM FRIGHTENINGR IT'S A PROPOSITION, ANY REPUBLICAN 20:51.919 --> 20:54.370 align:start FRIGHTENINGR IT'S A PROPOSITION, ANY REPUBLICAN AFRAID OF A PRIMARY CHALLENGE. 20:54.372 --> 20:55.071 align:start PROPOSITION, ANY REPUBLICAN AFRAID OF A PRIMARY CHALLENGE. GWEN: THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. 20:55.072 --> 20:56.917 align:start AFRAID OF A PRIMARY CHALLENGE. GWEN: THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. BEFORE WE GO DON'T, WE WANTED TO 20:56.919 --> 20:58.733 align:start GWEN: THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. BEFORE WE GO DON'T, WE WANTED TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO 20:58.734 --> 20:59.974 align:start BEFORE WE GO DON'T, WE WANTED TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO PASSING OF THE 20:59.976 --> 21:03.477 align:start TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO PASSING OF THE FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER, TOM FOLEY, 21:03.479 --> 21:05.388 align:start PASSING OF THE FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER, TOM FOLEY, FOR 30ED IN WASHINGTON 21:05.389 --> 21:08.349 align:start FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER, TOM FOLEY, FOR 30ED IN WASHINGTON YEARS UNTIL HE WAS DEFEATED IN 21:08.351 --> 21:09.018 align:start FOR 30ED IN WASHINGTON YEARS UNTIL HE WAS DEFEATED IN THE REPUBLICAN HOUSE SWEEP OF 21:09.020 --> 21:09.304 align:start YEARS UNTIL HE WAS DEFEATED IN THE REPUBLICAN HOUSE SWEEP OF 1994. 21:09.306 --> 21:10.452 align:start THE REPUBLICAN HOUSE SWEEP OF 1994. MANY OF US AT THE TABLE COVERED 21:10.453 --> 21:11.407 align:start 1994. MANY OF US AT THE TABLE COVERED TOM FOLEY DURING THAT TIME. 21:11.409 --> 21:13.954 align:start MANY OF US AT THE TABLE COVERED TOM FOLEY DURING THAT TIME. WHAT KIND OF LEADER WAS HE, 21:13.956 --> 21:14.273 align:start TOM FOLEY DURING THAT TIME. WHAT KIND OF LEADER WAS HE, JACKIE? 21:14.275 --> 21:16.820 align:start WHAT KIND OF LEADER WAS HE, JACKIE? >> HE WASN'T THE BEST SPEAKER. 21:16.822 --> 21:18.762 align:start JACKIE? >> HE WASN'T THE BEST SPEAKER. BUT HE WAS A GREAT MEMBER AND HE 21:18.764 --> 21:19.910 align:start >> HE WASN'T THE BEST SPEAKER. BUT HE WAS A GREAT MEMBER AND HE WAS TRULY WELL RESPECTED, AS 21:19.911 --> 21:22.712 align:start BUT HE WAS A GREAT MEMBER AND HE WAS TRULY WELL RESPECTED, AS YOU'RE SEEING IN THE TRIBUTES TO 21:22.714 --> 21:23.093 align:start WAS TRULY WELL RESPECTED, AS YOU'RE SEEING IN THE TRIBUTES TO HIM TONIGHT. 21:23.095 --> 21:24.494 align:start YOU'RE SEEING IN THE TRIBUTES TO HIM TONIGHT. WE CALL A MAN OF THE 21:24.496 --> 21:26.788 align:start HIM TONIGHT. WE CALL A MAN OF THE HOUSE, A TRUE INSTITUTIONALIST 21:26.790 --> 21:28.348 align:start WE CALL A MAN OF THE HOUSE, A TRUE INSTITUTIONALIST WHO PUT THE HOUSE ABOVE PARTY, 21:28.350 --> 21:30.322 align:start HOUSE, A TRUE INSTITUTIONALIST WHO PUT THE HOUSE ABOVE PARTY, REALLY. 21:30.324 --> 21:32.106 align:start WHO PUT THE HOUSE ABOVE PARTY, REALLY. HE -- WHEN HE WAS SPEAKER, HE 21:32.108 --> 21:34.048 align:start REALLY. HE -- WHEN HE WAS SPEAKER, HE MEET WEEKLY WITH THE 21:34.050 --> 21:36.373 align:start HE -- WHEN HE WAS SPEAKER, HE MEET WEEKLY WITH THE REPUBLICAN LEADER, BOB MICHAEL 21:36.375 --> 21:38.920 align:start MEET WEEKLY WITH THE REPUBLICAN LEADER, BOB MICHAEL WOULD ALTERNATE 21:38.922 --> 21:39.812 align:start REPUBLICAN LEADER, BOB MICHAEL WOULD ALTERNATE OFFICES, ONE WEEK IN THE 21:39.814 --> 21:41.182 align:start WOULD ALTERNATE OFFICES, ONE WEEK IN THE SPEAKER'S OFFICE, ONE WEEK IN 21:41.184 --> 21:42.774 align:start OFFICES, ONE WEEK IN THE SPEAKER'S OFFICE, ONE WEEK IN THE REPUBLICAN LEADER'S OFFICE. 21:42.776 --> 21:43.889 align:start SPEAKER'S OFFICE, ONE WEEK IN THE REPUBLICAN LEADER'S OFFICE. THEY HAD HUGE FIGHTS BUT THEY 21:43.891 --> 21:44.716 align:start THE REPUBLICAN LEADER'S OFFICE. THEY HAD HUGE FIGHTS BUT THEY ALSO GOT ALONG. 21:44.718 --> 21:47.551 align:start THEY HAD HUGE FIGHTS BUT THEY ALSO GOT ALONG. THEY DIDN'T SURPRISE EACH OTHER. 21:47.553 --> 21:49.557 align:start ALSO GOT ALONG. THEY DIDN'T SURPRISE EACH OTHER. HE WAS A MAN OF HIS TIMES. 21:49.559 --> 21:50.608 align:start THEY DIDN'T SURPRISE EACH OTHER. HE WAS A MAN OF HIS TIMES. HE WAS A LIBERAL. 21:50.609 --> 21:52.550 align:start HE WAS A MAN OF HIS TIMES. HE WAS A LIBERAL. LANDSLIDECTED ON THE 21:52.552 --> 21:54.365 align:start HE WAS A LIBERAL. LANDSLIDECTED ON THE OF 1964 AND KICKED OUT ON THE 21:54.367 --> 21:56.404 align:start LANDSLIDECTED ON THE OF 1964 AND KICKED OUT ON THE REPUBLICAN LANDSLIDE OF 1994. 21:56.405 --> 21:58.186 align:start OF 1964 AND KICKED OUT ON THE REPUBLICAN LANDSLIDE OF 1994. HE BROUGHT TO THE JOB THIS GREAT 21:58.188 --> 22:00.225 align:start REPUBLICAN LANDSLIDE OF 1994. HE BROUGHT TO THE JOB THIS GREAT SOCIETY LIBERALISM ON DOMESTIC 22:00.227 --> 22:03.887 align:start HE BROUGHT TO THE JOB THIS GREAT SOCIETY LIBERALISM ON DOMESTIC BUT THE SORT OF 22:03.889 --> 22:04.811 align:start SOCIETY LIBERALISM ON DOMESTIC BUT THE SORT OF CENTRIST-TO-CONSERVATIVE 22:04.813 --> 22:07.103 align:start BUT THE SORT OF CENTRIST-TO-CONSERVATIVE POLICYT ON THE FOREIGN 22:07.105 --> 22:07.804 align:start CENTRIST-TO-CONSERVATIVE POLICYT ON THE FOREIGN DEFENSE THINGS LIKE HIS MENTOR, 22:07.806 --> 22:08.218 align:start POLICYT ON THE FOREIGN DEFENSE THINGS LIKE HIS MENTOR, SCOOP JACKSON. 22:08.220 --> 22:08.950 align:start DEFENSE THINGS LIKE HIS MENTOR, SCOOP JACKSON. IF I COULD SAY ONE THING THAT 22:08.952 --> 22:09.842 align:start SCOOP JACKSON. IF I COULD SAY ONE THING THAT PUTS IT IN THE REPORT. 22:09.844 --> 22:12.644 align:start IF I COULD SAY ONE THING THAT PUTS IT IN THE REPORT. WAS THE AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE 22:12.646 --> 22:14.364 align:start PUTS IT IN THE REPORT. WAS THE AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN AT ONE POINT AND HE 22:14.366 --> 22:17.166 align:start WAS THE AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN AT ONE POINT AND HE DOLE, BIPARTISAN, 22:17.168 --> 22:19.108 align:start CHAIRMAN AT ONE POINT AND HE DOLE, BIPARTISAN, DEVISED THE FARM BILL, A 22:19.110 --> 22:21.274 align:start DOLE, BIPARTISAN, DEVISED THE FARM BILL, A OF FARM SUBSIDIES 22:21.276 --> 22:22.007 align:start DEVISED THE FARM BILL, A OF FARM SUBSIDIES FOR THE RURAL PEOPLE AND 22:22.009 --> 22:23.280 align:start OF FARM SUBSIDIES FOR THE RURAL PEOPLE AND NUTRITION PROGRAMS AND FOOD 22:23.282 --> 22:25.128 align:start FOR THE RURAL PEOPLE AND NUTRITION PROGRAMS AND FOOD THEPS FOR THE CITIES AND 22:25.130 --> 22:25.987 align:start NUTRITION PROGRAMS AND FOOD THEPS FOR THE CITIES AND POOR. 22:25.989 --> 22:26.815 align:start THEPS FOR THE CITIES AND POOR. GWEN: CAN ANYBODY IMAGINE THAT 22:26.817 --> 22:28.790 align:start POOR. GWEN: CAN ANYBODY IMAGINE THAT SORT OF FIGURE B 22:28.792 --> 22:29.841 align:start GWEN: CAN ANYBODY IMAGINE THAT SORT OF FIGURE B FLOURISH IN THE CURRENT 22:29.843 --> 22:30.222 align:start SORT OF FIGURE B FLOURISH IN THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT? 22:30.224 --> 22:32.771 align:start FLOURISH IN THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT? >> VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TODAY. 22:32.772 --> 22:33.248 align:start ENVIRONMENT? >> VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TODAY. GWEN: REALLY. 22:33.250 --> 22:35.445 align:start >> VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TODAY. GWEN: REALLY. JUST -- YOU KNOW, THE 22:35.447 --> 22:36.400 align:start GWEN: REALLY. JUST -- YOU KNOW, THE WAY THINGS USED TO WORK DON'T 22:36.402 --> 22:38.311 align:start JUST -- YOU KNOW, THE WAY THINGS USED TO WORK DON'T WORK TODAY BECAUSE OF THE 22:38.313 --> 22:39.744 align:start WAY THINGS USED TO WORK DON'T WORK TODAY BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES IN THE 22:39.746 --> 22:43.088 align:start WORK TODAY BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES IN THE POLITICS THAT WE HAVE AND THE 22:43.089 --> 22:44.393 align:start CHANGES IN THE POLITICS THAT WE HAVE AND THE THAT WE SEEMOSITY 22:44.395 --> 22:46.941 align:start POLITICS THAT WE HAVE AND THE THAT WE SEEMOSITY FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER 22:46.943 --> 22:47.928 align:start THAT WE SEEMOSITY FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER WHICH, AGAIN, WE SAW IN THIS 22:47.930 --> 22:48.884 align:start FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER WHICH, AGAIN, WE SAW IN THIS FIGHT. 22:48.885 --> 22:51.686 align:start WHICH, AGAIN, WE SAW IN THIS FIGHT. IT JUST KEPT SPILLING OUT AND SO 22:51.688 --> 22:54.425 align:start FIGHT. IT JUST KEPT SPILLING OUT AND SO DEALS WHENT MAKE 22:54.427 --> 22:56.558 align:start IT JUST KEPT SPILLING OUT AND SO DEALS WHENT MAKE THEIR BACKS ARE AGAINST THE WALL 22:56.560 --> 22:58.182 align:start DEALS WHENT MAKE THEIR BACKS ARE AGAINST THE WALL OR AS MITCH MCCONNELL SAID, WHEN 22:58.184 --> 22:58.915 align:start THEIR BACKS ARE AGAINST THE WALL OR AS MITCH MCCONNELL SAID, WHEN LINE AND THE 2-YARD 22:58.917 --> 23:00.443 align:start OR AS MITCH MCCONNELL SAID, WHEN LINE AND THE 2-YARD HAVE TO TRY TO PUNT WHICH IS THE 23:00.445 --> 23:02.290 align:start LINE AND THE 2-YARD HAVE TO TRY TO PUNT WHICH IS THE WAY HE FELT HE WAS IN THE FINAL 23:02.292 --> 23:03.469 align:start HAVE TO TRY TO PUNT WHICH IS THE WAY HE FELT HE WAS IN THE FINAL NEGOTIATIONS. 23:03.470 --> 23:05.411 align:start WAY HE FELT HE WAS IN THE FINAL NEGOTIATIONS. GWEN: WAS TOM FOLEY A INVESTMENT 23:05.413 --> 23:07.481 align:start NEGOTIATIONS. GWEN: WAS TOM FOLEY A INVESTMENT OF -- VICTIM OF THAT VERY THING? 23:07.483 --> 23:09.265 align:start GWEN: WAS TOM FOLEY A INVESTMENT OF -- VICTIM OF THAT VERY THING? YES, HE WAS, HE WAS A VICTIM 23:09.266 --> 23:12.321 align:start OF -- VICTIM OF THAT VERY THING? YES, HE WAS, HE WAS A VICTIM OF THE GINGRICH REVOLUTION IN 23:12.323 --> 23:13.149 align:start YES, HE WAS, HE WAS A VICTIM OF THE GINGRICH REVOLUTION IN FIGURE. A FASCINATING 23:13.151 --> 23:15.952 align:start OF THE GINGRICH REVOLUTION IN FIGURE. A FASCINATING I MET HIM WHEN I FIRST CAME TO 23:15.954 --> 23:16.684 align:start FIGURE. A FASCINATING I MET HIM WHEN I FIRST CAME TO WASHINGTON. 23:16.686 --> 23:19.645 align:start I MET HIM WHEN I FIRST CAME TO WASHINGTON. WAS COVERING AGRICULTURE FOR 23:19.647 --> 23:22.575 align:start WASHINGTON. WAS COVERING AGRICULTURE FOR NATIONAL JOURNAL AND I WENT UP 23:22.577 --> 23:23.595 align:start WAS COVERING AGRICULTURE FOR NATIONAL JOURNAL AND I WENT UP TO INTERVIEW HIM AND HE GAVE ME 23:23.597 --> 23:25.473 align:start NATIONAL JOURNAL AND I WENT UP TO INTERVIEW HIM AND HE GAVE ME A LOT OF TIME AND TAUGHT ME A 23:25.475 --> 23:25.760 align:start TO INTERVIEW HIM AND HE GAVE ME A LOT OF TIME AND TAUGHT ME A LOT. 23:25.762 --> 23:26.397 align:start A LOT OF TIME AND TAUGHT ME A LOT. HE WAS VERY PATIENT. 23:26.399 --> 23:27.607 align:start LOT. HE WAS VERY PATIENT. IT ANDVERY LITTLE ABOUT 23:27.609 --> 23:29.199 align:start HE WAS VERY PATIENT. IT ANDVERY LITTLE ABOUT HE WAS ALWAYS THAT WAY 23:29.201 --> 23:30.314 align:start IT ANDVERY LITTLE ABOUT HE WAS ALWAYS THAT WAY THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER. 23:30.316 --> 23:32.065 align:start HE WAS ALWAYS THAT WAY THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER. GWEN: THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH 23:32.067 --> 23:34.263 align:start THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER. GWEN: THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR THAT MEMORY OF TOM FOLEY. 23:34.265 --> 23:36.141 align:start GWEN: THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR THAT MEMORY OF TOM FOLEY. YOU CAN HEAR MORE ABOUT HIM IN 23:36.143 --> 23:38.116 align:start FOR THAT MEMORY OF TOM FOLEY. YOU CAN HEAR MORE ABOUT HIM IN OWN WORDS IN OUR "WASHINGTON 23:38.118 --> 23:40.186 align:start YOU CAN HEAR MORE ABOUT HIM IN OWN WORDS IN OUR "WASHINGTON WEEK" WEBCAST EXTRA WHICH 23:40.188 --> 23:42.988 align:start OWN WORDS IN OUR "WASHINGTON WEEK" WEBCAST EXTRA WHICH 8:30 P.M.VE AT 23:42.990 --> 23:44.580 align:start WEEK" WEBCAST EXTRA WHICH 8:30 P.M.VE AT EASTERN AND ALL WEEKEND LONG AT 23:44.582 --> 23:45.535 align:start 8:30 P.M.VE AT EASTERN AND ALL WEEKEND LONG AT PBS.ORG/WASHINGTONWEEK. 23:45.537 --> 23:47.892 align:start EASTERN AND ALL WEEKEND LONG AT PBS.ORG/WASHINGTONWEEK. THURSDAY ATNEXT 23:47.894 --> 23:48.593 align:start PBS.ORG/WASHINGTONWEEK. THURSDAY ATNEXT NOON, "WASHINGTON WEEK" REGULAR 23:48.595 --> 23:49.675 align:start THURSDAY ATNEXT NOON, "WASHINGTON WEEK" REGULAR PETER BAKER OF THE "NEW YORK 23:49.677 --> 23:50.631 align:start NOON, "WASHINGTON WEEK" REGULAR PETER BAKER OF THE "NEW YORK TIMES" JOINS ME FOR MY MONTHLY 23:50.633 --> 23:52.573 align:start PETER BAKER OF THE "NEW YORK TIMES" JOINS ME FOR MY MONTHLY TO TALK ABOUT HIS EXCELLENT 23:52.575 --> 23:53.911 align:start TIMES" JOINS ME FOR MY MONTHLY TO TALK ABOUT HIS EXCELLENT NEW BOOK, "DAYS OF FIRE: BUSH 23:53.913 --> 23:55.248 align:start TO TALK ABOUT HIS EXCELLENT NEW BOOK, "DAYS OF FIRE: BUSH AND CHENEY IN THE WHITE HOUSE." 23:55.250 --> 23:56.394 align:start NEW BOOK, "DAYS OF FIRE: BUSH AND CHENEY IN THE WHITE HOUSE." UP WITHEANTIME, KEEP 23:56.396 --> 23:58.050 align:start AND CHENEY IN THE WHITE HOUSE." UP WITHEANTIME, KEEP DAILY DEVELOPMENTS, NOW SEVEN 23:58.052 --> 24:00.980 align:start UP WITHEANTIME, KEEP DAILY DEVELOPMENTS, NOW SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, ON THE PBS NEWS 24:00.982 --> 24:02.955 align:start DAILY DEVELOPMENTS, NOW SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, ON THE PBS NEWS HOUR AND WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK 24:02.957 --> 24:03.942 align:start DAYS A WEEK, ON THE PBS NEWS HOUR AND WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK ON "WASHINGTON WEEK." 24:03.944 --> 24:07.477 align:start HOUR AND WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK ON "WASHINGTON WEEK." GOOD NIGHT.