WEBVTT 00:00.600 --> 00:01.568 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% (upbeat music) 00:01.568 --> 00:04.571 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% - On the Brink of War. 00:04.571 --> 00:07.340 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% - As of this moment, I'm convinced he's made the decision. 00:07.340 --> 00:10.710 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% - [Yamiche] President Biden warns the president of Russia 00:10.710 --> 00:13.713 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% has decided to invade Ukraine. 00:13.713 --> 00:18.718 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% - I am here today, not to start a war, but to prevent one. 00:20.086 --> 00:21.287 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% - [Yamiche] But diplomats continue to scramble 00:21.287 --> 00:24.391 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% for a peaceful solution, meanwhile. 00:24.391 --> 00:26.626 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% - There was much in the president's remarks 00:26.626 --> 00:27.827 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% that I appreciated. 00:27.827 --> 00:29.429 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% - [Yamiche] Some Republicans support 00:29.429 --> 00:32.365 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% President Biden's handling of the crisis. 00:32.365 --> 00:34.234 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% - This is not our fight, we got other 00:35.535 --> 00:37.704 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% fish in the fry pan, so to speak. 00:37.704 --> 00:38.872 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% - [Yamiche] The concerned remained 00:38.872 --> 00:41.474 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% about a military conflict. 00:41.474 --> 00:46.446 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Plus former president Trump is ordered to testify under oath 00:47.347 --> 00:48.615 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% about his business practices 00:48.615 --> 00:52.352 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% as investigations intensify, next. 00:52.352 --> 00:54.888 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solution. 02:10.330 --> 02:12.599 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Yet the people of Ukraine are bracing 02:12.599 --> 02:14.501 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% for a possible invasion. 02:14.501 --> 02:19.105 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% US officials are saying as many as 190,000 Russian troops 02:19.105 --> 02:22.208 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and separatists are gathered in and around Ukraine, 02:22.208 --> 02:24.844 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% a significant increase over the last few days. 02:24.844 --> 02:27.347 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And this week at NATO headquarters in Brussels 02:27.347 --> 02:29.215 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% defense secretary Lloyd Austin 02:29.215 --> 02:32.619 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% said Russia is making war time preparations. 02:34.053 --> 02:37.023 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% - We see them fly in more combat and support aircraft. 02:38.558 --> 02:42.162 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We see them sharpen their readiness in the black sea. 02:42.162 --> 02:46.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We even see them stocking up their blood supplies. 02:46.933 --> 02:50.069 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You know, I was a soldier myself, not that long ago, 02:51.571 --> 02:55.074 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and I know firsthand that you don't do these sort of things 02:55.074 --> 02:56.042 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% for no reason. 02:58.144 --> 03:00.280 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yet Kremlin continues to insist 03:00.280 --> 03:02.882 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% it is not planning to invade Ukraine. 03:02.882 --> 03:05.084 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% In response Republican center, James Risch 03:05.084 --> 03:07.253 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% said this on the "PBS News Hour". 03:08.655 --> 03:11.491 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% - The Russians lie and I don't know how they can look 03:11.491 --> 03:13.993 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% in the camera and tell the world they have no intention 03:13.993 --> 03:17.297 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% of invading and they have amassed the largest invasion force 03:17.297 --> 03:18.932 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that the world is seen in decades. 03:18.932 --> 03:23.536 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% So look, the world doesn't believe it. 03:24.804 --> 03:26.606 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Meanwhile, Russia's government expelled 03:26.606 --> 03:29.309 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% a top US embassy official from Moscow, 03:29.309 --> 03:31.878 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% a state department official, the state department rather 03:31.878 --> 03:35.114 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% called the move " escalatory step." 03:35.114 --> 03:37.217 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Russia also warned it will take, 03:37.217 --> 03:41.154 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% "Military technical measures if the US refuses to roll back 03:41.154 --> 03:43.089 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the NATO presence in Eastern Europe." 03:43.089 --> 03:44.524 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% A lot to talk about tonight, 03:44.524 --> 03:47.927 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% joining me to discuss it and all is Dan Balz, 03:47.927 --> 03:50.697 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Chief Correspondent for the Washington Post, 03:50.697 --> 03:53.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Francesca Chambers, Senior White House Correspondent 03:53.433 --> 03:55.668 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% for McClatchy, David Sanger, 03:55.668 --> 03:57.604 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% White House and National Security Correspondent 03:57.604 --> 03:58.504 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% for the New York Times. 03:58.504 --> 03:59.772 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% He's also joining us 03:59.772 --> 04:02.709 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% from the Munich Security Conference in Germany. 04:02.709 --> 04:05.545 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And Barbara Starr, Pentagon Correspondent for CNN. 04:05.545 --> 04:07.113 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Thank you so much all of you for being here. 04:07.113 --> 04:08.948 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% David, I wanna start with you. 04:08.948 --> 04:10.183 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% You're in Germany, 04:10.183 --> 04:11.584 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% where there are a lot of key players here. 04:11.584 --> 04:13.486 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We of course heard President Biden come out, 04:13.486 --> 04:14.921 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and say that he is convinced 04:14.921 --> 04:17.090 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that Putin has made his decision. 04:17.090 --> 04:19.559 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Talk a bit about sort of what you're hearing 04:19.559 --> 04:20.994 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% on the latest on this situation. 04:20.994 --> 04:22.228 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And also I'm wondering 04:22.228 --> 04:24.797 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% how great is the risk of war now, 04:24.797 --> 04:27.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% given the path that President Putin is on? 04:28.968 --> 04:30.837 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Well, Yamiche I think we are seeing, 04:30.837 --> 04:33.473 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% as you suggested at the opening, 04:33.473 --> 04:35.942 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% one of those rare moments 04:35.942 --> 04:38.044 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% where it looks like we could have 04:38.044 --> 04:41.114 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% a very major land war in Europe. 04:41.114 --> 04:44.384 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Just a few months ago, that near discussion 04:44.384 --> 04:46.819 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% would have seemed extremely strange. 04:48.221 --> 04:50.690 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% The Biden administration came to office worried more 04:50.690 --> 04:55.094 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% about China and its ability to be an existential threat 04:55.094 --> 04:59.932 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to the United States because of its technological, economic, 04:59.932 --> 05:01.167 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and military prowess. 05:01.167 --> 05:03.069 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And &all of a sudden dealing 05:03.069 --> 05:05.371 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% with the great disruptor, Vladimir Putin. 05:07.340 --> 05:11.944 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the United States began to see this buildup in October, 05:11.944 --> 05:16.683 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% sent the CIA director, Bill Burns to warn President Putin. 05:16.683 --> 05:18.184 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Who he only spoke to by phone 05:18.184 --> 05:21.020 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% because Putin has been so isolated, largely thanks 05:21.020 --> 05:23.856 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% to COVID prevention. 05:23.856 --> 05:26.759 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And ever since that time, 05:26.759 --> 05:29.662 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% they've just been on a steady path upward, 05:29.662 --> 05:31.464 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% until we hit the point this week, 05:31.464 --> 05:36.469 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% where the number is somewhere between 150 to 190,000 troops. 05:37.670 --> 05:41.140 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% That's more than, we had in Iraq and Afghanistan. 05:41.140 --> 05:44.844 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And very hard to explain as you heard Secretary Austin say, 05:44.844 --> 05:47.647 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% except if you're planning to invade. 05:47.647 --> 05:50.983 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Now it's possible, despite the president's warning 05:50.983 --> 05:53.419 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that Putin's using this just 05:53.419 --> 05:57.323 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% for diplomatic leverage seems increasingly unlikely. 05:57.323 --> 05:59.225 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% It's also possible that he won't do 05:59.225 --> 06:01.394 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% a single massive invasion. 06:01.394 --> 06:03.463 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And that's been the discussion here today 06:03.463 --> 06:05.498 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% at the opening of Munich Security Conference, 06:05.498 --> 06:09.569 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% which is the largest security conference in Europe, 06:09.569 --> 06:10.803 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% an annual event. 06:10.803 --> 06:12.605 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And it happens to be taking place 06:12.605 --> 06:16.843 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% in the middle of the largest security crisis in Europe 06:16.843 --> 06:18.344 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% in many decades. 06:18.344 --> 06:19.846 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% - Yeah and David you're talking about this sort of 06:19.846 --> 06:23.416 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% steady upward trajectory, with all that going on, 06:23.416 --> 06:25.618 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% the president of Ukraine is supposed to be coming 06:25.618 --> 06:28.020 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% where you are to the Munich Conference, 06:28.020 --> 06:29.822 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% but there is some concerns from the white house 06:29.822 --> 06:31.657 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% about whether or not there might be an opening there 06:31.657 --> 06:34.193 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% if the president of Ukraine leaves the country 06:34.193 --> 06:36.963 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% for President Putin to invade while he's out of the country. 06:36.963 --> 06:39.098 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% What are you hearing about the latest on whether or not 06:39.098 --> 06:40.666 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% the president of Ukraine will be there? 06:40.666 --> 06:42.735 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Whether or not those worries 06:42.735 --> 06:44.170 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% about him being out of the country 06:44.170 --> 06:46.072 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% are sort of grounded in anything. 06:47.807 --> 06:51.344 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% - Well, he's coming here to see vice president Harris, 06:51.344 --> 06:55.481 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% who's here with secretary of state Tony Blinken, 06:56.649 --> 06:59.685 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and they're supposed to meet around midday. 06:59.685 --> 07:02.722 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I've run into many members of the US delegation 07:02.722 --> 07:07.093 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% who are here, a very large delegation led by speaker Pelosi, 07:07.093 --> 07:08.961 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% but many of the armed services 07:08.961 --> 07:11.898 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and intelligence committee members. 07:11.898 --> 07:15.067 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And most of them have said to me that they think that 07:15.067 --> 07:19.272 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% it would be a crazy thing for President Zelenskyy 07:19.272 --> 07:23.910 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to leave the capital now at a time that intelligence reports 07:23.910 --> 07:26.412 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% suggests that the Russians are lining up 07:26.412 --> 07:28.481 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% people to go replace him. 07:28.481 --> 07:30.149 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% They don't doubt he could get out of the country. 07:30.149 --> 07:31.984 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% They wonder whether he could get back in, 07:31.984 --> 07:34.353 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and they fear for his personal safety. 07:34.353 --> 07:36.055 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We don't know yet whether he is coming. 07:36.055 --> 07:39.559 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I wouldn't be surprised if at the last minute he decides 07:39.559 --> 07:42.261 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that isn't a wise course of action. 07:42.261 --> 07:46.165 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But it tells you just how fragile this situation is. 07:46.165 --> 07:48.501 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And I thought the most interesting moment of the week 07:48.501 --> 07:51.804 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% was when secretary Blinken was at the United Nations, 07:51.804 --> 07:55.875 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and basically said, yes, it sounds to the whole world, 07:55.875 --> 08:00.813 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% like we are saying that the sky falling in, 08:02.248 --> 08:04.150 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but we would rather reveal all of this intelligence 08:04.150 --> 08:07.186 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and offer this warning and be wrong, 08:07.186 --> 08:12.191 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and force Putin to back down and take the criticism for that 08:13.593 --> 08:16.295 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% than to stay silent and let Putin run right through 08:17.663 --> 08:21.534 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% what is the second largest country by land mass in Europe. 08:21.534 --> 08:25.037 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yeah, and Francesca, the president's words 08:25.037 --> 08:27.840 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% were really grave today, you almost had to listen 08:27.840 --> 08:30.476 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to it twice to get the idea that he really is saying, 08:30.476 --> 08:32.879 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% he thinks the president of Russia has made up his mind. 08:32.879 --> 08:34.080 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% What are you hearing about 08:34.080 --> 08:35.781 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the white house's latest thinking here, 08:35.781 --> 08:37.683 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and also do is there a sense 08:37.683 --> 08:41.153 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that Putin is on this path and that there is no turning back 08:41.153 --> 08:43.256 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% at this moment, or they still possibly thinking 08:43.256 --> 08:45.191 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% diplomacy could work behind the scenes? 08:46.626 --> 08:49.262 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Well, president Biden said today that he still hoped 08:49.262 --> 08:51.163 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that diplomacy could work here, 08:51.163 --> 08:52.932 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but Yamiche as you were just saying, 08:52.932 --> 08:55.701 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% we've heard an escalating message from President Biden 08:55.701 --> 08:57.803 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% this week about what's at stake. 08:57.803 --> 09:00.806 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Just the other day, we heard him put in stark terms 09:00.806 --> 09:02.441 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% to the American people. 09:02.441 --> 09:05.044 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% What they could potentially expect in terms of how 09:05.044 --> 09:07.480 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% a conflict could affect gas crisis. 09:07.480 --> 09:09.148 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% He told Americans in Ukraine 09:09.148 --> 09:11.250 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% that they needed to leave the country. 09:11.250 --> 09:13.819 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Then he gave a direct to camera message 09:13.819 --> 09:16.856 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% to the Russian people essentially begging them 09:16.856 --> 09:18.758 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% not to go to war with Ukraine and saying 09:18.758 --> 09:21.460 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% that he did not think that this is something 09:21.460 --> 09:22.929 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that the Russian people wanted. 09:22.929 --> 09:25.631 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% So trying a number of tactics as the white house 09:25.631 --> 09:28.334 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% sought to get in front of this conflict 09:28.334 --> 09:30.836 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and for the American people to understand 09:30.836 --> 09:34.340 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% really what's at stake here, both from speeches, 09:34.340 --> 09:35.875 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% from President Biden that he's made, 09:35.875 --> 09:38.344 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% but also in remarks that press secretary Jen Psaki 09:38.344 --> 09:41.013 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% has been making daily from the podium. 09:41.013 --> 09:43.482 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% - And as Francesca was talking about sort of 09:43.482 --> 09:46.485 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the increasing rhetoric here, Barbara, I wanna come to you. 09:46.485 --> 09:48.487 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% What's the Pentagon view of all of this. 09:48.487 --> 09:49.855 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And also I wonder, 09:49.855 --> 09:51.424 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% could you talk a little bit about your reporting 09:51.424 --> 09:53.559 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% that you have on how president Biden is able 09:53.559 --> 09:55.595 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% to have this intelligence to make 09:56.996 --> 09:59.632 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% this statement that Russia has made up its mind. 10:00.833 --> 10:02.168 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% - Well, you know the US military, 10:02.168 --> 10:03.669 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the US intelligence community, 10:03.669 --> 10:06.205 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and I think intelligence services across Europe 10:06.205 --> 10:09.342 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% have been keeping such a sharp eye on all of this. 10:09.342 --> 10:11.077 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% So what does the US have at hand? 10:11.077 --> 10:14.246 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Look, it starts with satellites overhead. 10:14.246 --> 10:16.716 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% They are able to collect imagery. 10:16.716 --> 10:19.552 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We've seen a lot of commercial satellite images 10:19.552 --> 10:20.853 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% on social media. 10:20.853 --> 10:22.188 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% They can collect imagery. 10:22.188 --> 10:24.890 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% They can understand what conversations 10:24.890 --> 10:27.426 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and communications are taking place. 10:27.426 --> 10:30.663 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% You also have manned aircraft that have been flying 10:30.663 --> 10:32.565 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% over Ukraine for weeks now, 10:32.565 --> 10:34.467 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% they will have to stop flying. 10:34.467 --> 10:37.837 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% If a conflict breaks out, the Pentagon is very a concerned 10:37.837 --> 10:42.008 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that US troops have no contact with the Russians. 10:42.008 --> 10:43.542 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% You will see drones flying. 10:43.542 --> 10:47.179 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% These are the kinds of things that are able to collect 10:47.179 --> 10:51.150 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% intercepts all the way to Moscow that are able to see 10:51.150 --> 10:54.787 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% the heat signature of weapons being turned on 10:54.787 --> 10:56.589 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and potentially moved around. 10:56.589 --> 10:58.624 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% The Pentagon, even keeping a sharp eye 10:58.624 --> 11:01.093 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% on weather forecasts in the region 11:01.093 --> 11:04.930 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to see how long the ground may stay hard and freeze, 11:04.930 --> 11:07.299 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% where it will be soft and muddy, 11:07.299 --> 11:10.870 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% where it will be hard for Russian troops to maneuver around. 11:10.870 --> 11:12.505 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% They have all of this in hand. 11:12.505 --> 11:16.075 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And what's so interesting in this case, 11:16.075 --> 11:18.978 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% they're letting the world know it, it's an information war. 11:18.978 --> 11:20.980 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% What the Pentagon has been hoping to do 11:20.980 --> 11:23.949 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for the last several weeks is make sure 11:23.949 --> 11:28.087 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the world understands the information at hand. 11:28.087 --> 11:30.056 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% The state department as well. 11:30.056 --> 11:33.526 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Make sure they understand the so-called Russian playbook, 11:33.526 --> 11:35.428 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% what the Russians could get up to, 11:35.428 --> 11:38.831 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and hope that that would be enough to persuade Putin, 11:38.831 --> 11:40.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% it'll be too hard to carry something out. 11:40.733 --> 11:43.836 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But as we sit here tonight, I think everyone agrees, 11:43.836 --> 11:46.072 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% there's just simply no indication that Putin 11:46.072 --> 11:47.606 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% is about to change his mind. 11:47.606 --> 11:51.143 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And we have this bottom line situation where the world 11:51.143 --> 11:54.780 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% is holding its breath based on what may be going on 11:54.780 --> 11:57.216 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in the mind of just one man. 11:57.216 --> 11:59.285 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - And Dan, certainly as Barbara just said, 11:59.285 --> 12:00.986 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% the world is holding its breath. 12:00.986 --> 12:02.588 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I wonder when you talk about, 12:02.588 --> 12:04.590 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% or when we think about this information warfare, 12:04.590 --> 12:06.659 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that's going on between two nuclear powers, 12:06.659 --> 12:08.694 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% we have to remind folks that it's information warfare, 12:08.694 --> 12:10.196 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but it's between of course, 12:10.196 --> 12:12.331 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% two countries that have nuclear capabilities here. 12:12.331 --> 12:14.834 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Talk a bit about how President Biden sees this, 12:14.834 --> 12:18.471 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% and in particular, why he doesn't see it as an US' interest 12:18.471 --> 12:20.906 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to send in troops to defend the sovereignty 12:20.906 --> 12:22.208 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% of Ukraine at this time. 12:23.642 --> 12:26.679 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Well, Yamiche there's no appetite in this country 12:26.679 --> 12:29.648 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% for the United States to enter into a new conflict. 12:29.648 --> 12:34.286 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We saw with the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan 12:34.286 --> 12:37.757 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that while the public judged President Biden harshly 12:37.757 --> 12:39.225 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% for what happened, 12:39.225 --> 12:41.627 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% they were supportive of the decision to get out. 12:41.627 --> 12:45.631 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And the idea that we would now send troops into Ukraine 12:45.631 --> 12:48.100 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% in one way or another is something 12:48.100 --> 12:50.302 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that the Biden administration clearly understands 12:50.302 --> 12:52.071 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% is off the table. 12:52.071 --> 12:54.540 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% But I've been struck by the degree to which 12:54.540 --> 12:58.811 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% they have very skillfully used intelligence and information 12:58.811 --> 13:01.113 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% as part of the deterrent. 13:01.113 --> 13:03.249 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I've talked to several people today, 13:03.249 --> 13:07.820 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and the only analogy that people came up with was 13:07.820 --> 13:09.255 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the Cuban Missile Crisis. 13:09.255 --> 13:12.158 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% When Adlai Stevenson famously showed at the UN, 13:12.158 --> 13:15.861 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the pictures of the Russian missiles in Cuba, 13:15.861 --> 13:20.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the Soviet missiles in Cuba then, but for the most part, 13:20.566 --> 13:23.435 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% the US intelligence community does not want 13:23.435 --> 13:25.838 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% public discussion of what they see, 13:25.838 --> 13:28.774 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and what they believe and what their interpretation is. 13:28.774 --> 13:32.311 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And this has been a case in which as David said, 13:33.245 --> 13:34.847 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Bill Burns went to Moscow 13:34.847 --> 13:37.383 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% last fall to basically say to Putin, 13:37.383 --> 13:39.485 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% we know what's going on. 13:39.485 --> 13:44.290 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% The administration began sharing this with our allies 13:44.290 --> 13:49.295 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% in Europe, in part, I think to help bolster the alliance, 13:50.763 --> 13:53.732 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and to get people on board that this was very serious 13:53.732 --> 13:55.267 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and it had to be serious. 13:55.267 --> 13:57.937 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And then they have started on an almost daily basis 13:57.937 --> 14:00.172 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% to reveal everything they seem to know, 14:00.172 --> 14:01.874 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% or most of what they seem to know, 14:01.874 --> 14:06.212 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% again, so that there is no surprise if something happens. 14:06.212 --> 14:07.880 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% You know, there was a surprise 14:07.880 --> 14:11.283 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% when the Russians went into Crimea in 2014. 14:11.283 --> 14:13.586 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I think one of the efforts is to avoid 14:13.586 --> 14:15.821 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that kind of problem now. 14:15.821 --> 14:17.790 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% - Yeah, and Barbara Russia, of course, 14:17.790 --> 14:22.795 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% is talking about taking these military technical measures. 14:23.929 --> 14:25.164 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% The white house also accused Russia 14:25.164 --> 14:27.299 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% of carrying out cyber attacks in Ukraine. 14:27.299 --> 14:29.301 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I wonder if you could sort of talk about 14:31.303 --> 14:34.206 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% what retaliatory military technical measure could mean. 14:34.206 --> 14:35.307 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% It's a mouthful. 14:35.307 --> 14:37.076 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% What does that actually mean, Barbara, 14:37.076 --> 14:40.112 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and sort of is the future of war here cyber as well? 14:41.814 --> 14:44.550 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% - Well, I think that is a good deal 14:44.550 --> 14:46.051 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% of what is going on already. 14:46.051 --> 14:49.188 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% The US tagging the Russians for cyber attacks in Ukraine, 14:49.188 --> 14:52.558 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and actually quite worried that the Russians could come 14:52.558 --> 14:57.029 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to the United States shores with cyber tax against US banks, 14:57.029 --> 15:01.834 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% US power structures, that sort of thing, huge worry. 15:01.834 --> 15:04.403 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% What we're talking about, I think in the Ukraine, 15:04.403 --> 15:07.840 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% immediate area of Ukraine is a conventional 15:07.840 --> 15:09.842 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Russian attack to some extent. 15:09.842 --> 15:13.479 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% These troops, these thousands of troops, 15:13.479 --> 15:16.482 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the weapons, these are conventional heavy weapons. 15:16.482 --> 15:19.785 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We're talking tanks, artillery, rockets, mortars, 15:19.785 --> 15:22.087 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% hundreds of ballistic missiles, 15:22.087 --> 15:24.490 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% helicopters, attack aircraft. 15:24.490 --> 15:27.293 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And what the Pentagon has calculated, 15:27.293 --> 15:29.194 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% the human disaster is just, 15:29.194 --> 15:31.196 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you can't wrap your head around it. 15:31.196 --> 15:35.401 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% If they go in with a full blown invasion north from Belarus, 15:35.401 --> 15:39.305 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% east and south from Russia, from Crimea, 15:39.305 --> 15:43.509 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% if they go after population centers inside Ukraine, 15:43.509 --> 15:46.078 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the calculations is tens of thousands 15:46.078 --> 15:48.447 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% of civilian casualties wounded. 15:48.447 --> 15:52.384 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It will just be horrific beyond on belief. 15:52.384 --> 15:57.056 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And there is a good deal of effort to make that very plain. 15:59.358 --> 16:01.694 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% It will be just appalling. 16:01.694 --> 16:05.464 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Now there are US forces across the border in Poland, 16:05.464 --> 16:06.966 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% which is a NATO member. 16:06.966 --> 16:11.203 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The US is sending troops for deterrence and reassurance 16:11.203 --> 16:14.640 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% against NATO's eastern flank members. 16:14.640 --> 16:17.009 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% But you know, in the year 2022, 16:17.009 --> 16:19.712 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% we're talking about the possibility of people, 16:19.712 --> 16:22.081 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% including Americans, still in Ukraine, 16:22.081 --> 16:24.917 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% trying to escape across the border, 16:24.917 --> 16:27.686 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% into Poland with their lives. 16:27.686 --> 16:31.824 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And it just seems extraordinary that that's where we are. 16:31.824 --> 16:34.293 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Yeah, and David Afghanistan, 16:34.293 --> 16:36.362 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% it's hovering over all of this. 16:36.362 --> 16:37.863 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% The lessons learned there, 16:37.863 --> 16:40.032 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but also I'm thinking at the same time that President Biden 16:40.032 --> 16:41.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% has talked so much about China. 16:41.500 --> 16:43.702 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I wonder if you could bridge those two things for us, 16:43.702 --> 16:44.903 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% the lessons learned, 16:44.903 --> 16:46.538 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but also when you're looking into the future, 16:46.538 --> 16:48.607 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% what they're looking on the horizon on 16:48.607 --> 16:49.942 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% when it comes to sort of adversaries 16:49.942 --> 16:51.477 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that they wanna keep an eye on. 16:52.611 --> 16:54.046 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - That's a fascinating question, Yamiche. 16:54.046 --> 16:58.984 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So first of all, I think they learned from Afghanistan 17:00.352 --> 17:02.588 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that the details matter, even as Dan suggested before, 17:02.588 --> 17:03.989 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I think accurately, 17:03.989 --> 17:07.559 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the most Americans supported leaving Afghanistan. 17:07.559 --> 17:10.262 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% They didn't like the way it was coordinated. 17:10.262 --> 17:11.830 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% This has been the opposite. 17:11.830 --> 17:13.432 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% If anything, there's been, 17:14.967 --> 17:18.237 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% an oversharing, an over coordination because they realized 17:18.237 --> 17:22.374 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that they needed to keep all of the allies together. 17:22.374 --> 17:27.046 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% That said there are two things that I think really 17:27.046 --> 17:31.383 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% distinguished this conflict from any that we've seen before. 17:32.251 --> 17:34.053 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% The first we've hinted at. 17:34.053 --> 17:37.156 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And that is that this is the first major, 17:37.156 --> 17:40.592 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% potentially major war if the Russians go in 17:40.592 --> 17:44.396 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that is taking place in a world of open source intelligence 17:44.396 --> 17:46.598 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% where we don't need the government satellites. 17:46.598 --> 17:48.067 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Back in the Cuban Missile Crisis, 17:48.067 --> 17:50.702 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% it was just the right analogy that Dan used, 17:50.702 --> 17:53.072 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the government had to decide to declassify 17:53.072 --> 17:54.440 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% the satellite photographs. 17:54.440 --> 17:57.209 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% They were propped up behind President Kennedy 17:57.209 --> 18:00.512 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% when he gave this famous speech. 18:00.512 --> 18:03.649 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% In this case, we're all getting satellite photographs 18:03.649 --> 18:06.952 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% every morning from companies like Maxar 18:06.952 --> 18:09.555 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that are as good as what the intelligence agencies 18:09.555 --> 18:11.657 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% had just a few years ago. 18:11.657 --> 18:15.094 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And so in some ways that makes the US information war case 18:15.094 --> 18:17.896 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% a lot easier because every day, 18:17.896 --> 18:22.568 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% there's an unclassified backup to show what's happening. 18:22.568 --> 18:24.636 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The second thing that distinguishes this 18:24.636 --> 18:26.605 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% is the cyber capability, 18:26.605 --> 18:30.542 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because the Russians have a way apart from nuclear weapons 18:30.542 --> 18:33.979 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of reaching to Western Europe or to the United States, 18:33.979 --> 18:36.648 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% if they wanna retaliate for the sanctions. 18:36.648 --> 18:39.017 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% That didn't exist in the old cold war. 18:39.017 --> 18:41.120 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yeah, well, thank you Barbara, for joining us, 18:41.120 --> 18:43.188 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% we really appreciate you coming on. 18:43.188 --> 18:46.658 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And this week, President Biden also warned Americans 18:46.658 --> 18:49.027 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% could feel the effects on their wallets 18:49.027 --> 18:50.896 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% if Russia invades Ukraine. 18:52.998 --> 18:55.667 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I will not pretend this will be painless. 18:55.667 --> 18:57.803 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% There could be impact on our energy prices. 18:59.204 --> 19:01.740 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So we are taking active steps to alleviate the pressure 19:01.740 --> 19:05.144 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% on our own energy markets and offset raising prices. 19:05.144 --> 19:07.880 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Now across the US gas prices have been surging. 19:07.880 --> 19:10.349 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And this week, according to the energy department, 19:10.349 --> 19:12.851 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% those costs hit an eight year high. 19:12.851 --> 19:15.587 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Dan, I wanna come to you talk a bit about sort of, 19:15.587 --> 19:16.989 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you wrote this week about sort of 19:16.989 --> 19:19.358 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% all of the different challenges that Democrats face. 19:19.358 --> 19:20.826 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I wonder if you could sort of 19:20.826 --> 19:24.129 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% talk to us a little bit about what the cost to Americans 19:24.129 --> 19:27.299 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% could look like here and how that might impact the midterms. 19:28.734 --> 19:32.070 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Well, let me answer the second part first, which is, 19:32.070 --> 19:34.673 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% it's very difficult to predict what this might mean 19:34.673 --> 19:36.842 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% for the midterms, because we ultimately don't know 19:36.842 --> 19:39.978 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% what Putin is going to do if there is an invasion 19:39.978 --> 19:42.080 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% exactly what that invasion would look like. 19:42.080 --> 19:43.582 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% But let's say there is one, 19:43.582 --> 19:46.185 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% as the president said, he believes there will be one. 19:46.185 --> 19:51.190 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% In that case, we know that oil markets will be in turbulence 19:52.357 --> 19:53.759 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and that there could be a substantial spike 19:53.759 --> 19:55.260 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% in the oil markets, 19:55.260 --> 19:57.963 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% which would substantially increase gasoline prices 19:57.963 --> 20:01.200 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% here at home and elsewhere around the world. 20:01.200 --> 20:03.602 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% That is a big problem for the president, 20:03.602 --> 20:05.938 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and for the Democrats heading into the fall campaign. 20:05.938 --> 20:09.541 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We know at this point, despite many of the successes 20:09.541 --> 20:13.011 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that the administration has chalked up on the economy, 20:13.011 --> 20:15.814 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% a significant lowering of the unemployment rate, 20:15.814 --> 20:18.317 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% a substantial increase in the number of jobs 20:18.317 --> 20:19.985 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that it is the rise in prices 20:19.985 --> 20:23.922 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that is the most sensitive issue to voters at this point. 20:23.922 --> 20:27.626 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And if those gasoline prices go higher, 20:27.626 --> 20:30.262 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that will have a negative impact on the president, 20:30.262 --> 20:31.830 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and on Democrats running. 20:31.830 --> 20:34.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Which is why there is talk about trying to do something 20:34.600 --> 20:37.135 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% about it, try to mitigate in some way. 20:37.135 --> 20:39.871 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% But it's not clear that this administration 20:39.871 --> 20:42.107 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% or any administration, frankly, 20:42.107 --> 20:45.978 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% has major tools that can substantially change 20:45.978 --> 20:47.512 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% what the markets are doing. 20:47.512 --> 20:50.415 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And so I think that their hands are a little bit tied. 20:50.415 --> 20:52.618 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% They have to look like they are doing something, 20:52.618 --> 20:55.120 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% but the question is how effective might that be? 20:55.120 --> 20:56.989 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% - Yeah, and how effective it might be 20:56.989 --> 20:58.457 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% is the critical question. 20:58.457 --> 21:02.094 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Francesca, Americans often aren't focused on foreign policy 21:02.094 --> 21:03.795 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% when they think of sort of domestic politics, 21:03.795 --> 21:05.530 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% but look to Afghanistan, 21:05.530 --> 21:07.599 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and the fact that President Biden's poll numbers 21:07.599 --> 21:09.501 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% never really recovered after that withdrawal, 21:09.501 --> 21:11.503 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% that he defended and continues to defend. 21:11.503 --> 21:13.605 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I wonder what you're hearing from the white house about 21:13.605 --> 21:15.907 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% how this, in terms of inflation 21:15.907 --> 21:17.976 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and all of these things could be handled by the white house, 21:17.976 --> 21:21.313 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% but also how that sort of ghost of the Afghanistan 21:21.313 --> 21:23.282 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% withdrawal is continuing to impact 21:23.282 --> 21:24.850 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% their thinking about this. 21:26.018 --> 21:28.153 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% - Well, I actually asked the energy sectary, 21:28.153 --> 21:30.622 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Jennifer Granholm about that this morning Yamiche. 21:30.622 --> 21:32.557 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And she said a couple things here, 21:32.557 --> 21:34.059 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% that in the longer term, 21:34.059 --> 21:37.062 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% this is part of the reason why the Biden administration 21:37.062 --> 21:40.399 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% is focused on trying to develop clean energy initiatives 21:40.399 --> 21:43.068 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% to reduce the reliance on fossil fuels. 21:43.068 --> 21:44.569 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% But in the short term, 21:44.569 --> 21:46.738 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% she did mention how they have tapped into the strategic 21:46.738 --> 21:48.473 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% petroleum reserve in the past. 21:48.473 --> 21:50.575 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And she also mentioned in the context 21:50.575 --> 21:53.812 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% of the potential conflict between Ukraine and Russia, 21:53.812 --> 21:57.115 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the United States is working with its allies globally 21:57.115 --> 21:59.918 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% to try and increase the oil supply, 21:59.918 --> 22:02.688 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% so that supply would meet demand. 22:02.688 --> 22:05.090 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Because that is one of the big questions here 22:05.090 --> 22:06.625 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% in terms of the crippling sanctions 22:06.625 --> 22:09.461 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that the United States says that it would put on Russia 22:09.461 --> 22:10.796 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% in case of a conflict. 22:10.796 --> 22:13.999 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Even if the US does not directly sanction 22:13.999 --> 22:15.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% the oil and gas industry, 22:15.500 --> 22:17.002 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% there are still plenty of sanctions 22:17.002 --> 22:18.704 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% my sources are telling me that are indirect, 22:18.704 --> 22:22.107 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that could have an effect on costs in the United States. 22:22.107 --> 22:24.509 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yeah, and Dan, a quick question to you, 22:24.509 --> 22:25.711 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% we only about 45 second left, 22:25.711 --> 22:27.612 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but we have to of course talk about the fact 22:27.612 --> 22:29.314 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that the former president President Trump 22:29.314 --> 22:31.116 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that he was ordered by a New York judge 22:31.116 --> 22:33.652 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to testify along with two of his children. 22:33.652 --> 22:35.320 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% What's the significance of that as we see 22:35.320 --> 22:38.857 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% all these other investigations intensifying? 22:38.857 --> 22:41.026 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Well, it's a very significant moment 22:41.026 --> 22:43.195 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for the former president and his family, 22:43.195 --> 22:44.963 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that they're gonna be forced to testify 22:44.963 --> 22:49.735 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% in the legal undertaking that's going on in New York state. 22:51.169 --> 22:54.806 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% He's had a number of legal setbacks since he left office. 22:54.806 --> 22:56.074 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And this is just the latest. 22:56.074 --> 22:59.244 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Now whether that the prosecutors will be able 22:59.244 --> 23:01.546 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to get anything out of him and his family 23:01.546 --> 23:02.748 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% is another question. 23:02.748 --> 23:04.983 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% They obviously can take the fifth amendment 23:04.983 --> 23:06.318 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% and say nothing. 23:06.318 --> 23:11.323 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But given that he had been very, very hard 23:12.724 --> 23:15.394 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to avoid this moment, this has to be considered 23:15.394 --> 23:16.862 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% a major setback for him. 23:18.230 --> 23:20.132 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - And David with the 30 seconds that I have left here. 23:20.132 --> 23:22.234 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Obviously, of course you focus on national security issues, 23:22.234 --> 23:24.703 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but you covered President Trump, just like me. 23:24.703 --> 23:26.705 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Talk a little bit about sort of the other thing 23:26.705 --> 23:28.540 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that happened this week, which is that, 23:28.540 --> 23:32.377 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% a judge ruled that former president Trump can be sued 23:32.377 --> 23:34.546 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because of the January 6th attack. 23:34.546 --> 23:35.781 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% What does that mean? 23:35.781 --> 23:36.882 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% What does it mean for this white house 23:36.882 --> 23:38.116 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% that this will continue 23:38.116 --> 23:39.351 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to be something that they'll deal with? 23:39.351 --> 23:40.352 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And again, we only have about 30 seconds left, 23:40.352 --> 23:42.154 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but I wanna give it to you. 23:42.154 --> 23:44.289 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Sure, so, I mean, I think the remarkable thing 23:44.289 --> 23:46.958 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% about this Yamiche is that President Trump 23:46.958 --> 23:51.963 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% has believed that he was basically immune from court review 23:53.098 --> 23:55.567 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of anything he did during his presidency. 23:55.567 --> 23:59.638 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And that ranged from his personal business of work 23:59.638 --> 24:04.543 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to of course his role in speaking to the protestors 24:05.710 --> 24:08.447 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% just before they went up and launched the riot. 24:08.447 --> 24:11.416 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And he's just discovered, he's not protected. 24:11.416 --> 24:13.452 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Yeah, well, a lot to talk about. 24:13.452 --> 24:14.986 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We'll definitely be talking more about the former president 24:14.986 --> 24:17.889 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and of course this tension going on in Russia and Ukraine. 24:17.889 --> 24:20.025 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Thank you so much to Dan, Francesca and David 24:20.025 --> 24:21.927 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for joining us and sharing your reporting. 24:21.927 --> 24:23.395 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% We will continue our conversation 24:23.395 --> 24:24.863 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% on the "Washington Week Extra" 24:24.863 --> 24:27.365 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% this week's topic, Domestic Challenges, 24:27.365 --> 24:30.035 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% find it on our website, Facebook and YouTube. 24:30.035 --> 24:31.470 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% And for the latest on the tensions 24:31.470 --> 24:32.871 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% between Russia and Ukraine, 24:32.871 --> 24:35.640 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% tune in to the "PBS News Hour" on Monday. 24:35.640 --> 24:38.009 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And finally, as part of this black history month, 24:38.009 --> 24:40.212 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I wanna honor former "Washington Week" moderator 24:40.212 --> 24:42.647 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and trail blazing journalists, Gwen Eiffel. 24:42.647 --> 24:45.484 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in 1999, she made history on this show 24:45.484 --> 24:47.719 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% when she became the first African American woman 24:47.719 --> 24:51.656 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to host a nationally televised public affairs program. 24:51.656 --> 24:54.559 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Gwen was of course deeply loved by her family and friends 24:54.559 --> 24:56.828 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and by people she made time to mentor. 24:58.497 --> 25:01.132 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I very much embrace the idea of being a role model 25:01.132 --> 25:04.736 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and I set out to be, and to let you see from what I am, 25:04.736 --> 25:08.673 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that you can be that too, that to me is role model. 25:08.673 --> 25:11.610 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I will listen and advise and encourage 25:11.610 --> 25:13.411 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% every opportunity I get young people 25:13.411 --> 25:15.981 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% who are trying to figure it out for themselves, 25:15.981 --> 25:18.316 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but there's nothing more powerful than my just doing it 25:18.316 --> 25:19.885 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and doing it well. 25:19.885 --> 25:21.820 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - And she did, of course do it very well. 25:21.820 --> 25:24.222 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I met Gwen through a mutual friend Athelia Knight, 25:24.222 --> 25:26.591 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% a long time, Washington Post reporter. 25:26.591 --> 25:29.327 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Gwen and Athelia, two exceptional black women, 25:29.327 --> 25:32.230 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% both inspired me to pursue a career in journalism. 25:32.230 --> 25:34.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And they helped me navigate the path that ultimately 25:34.633 --> 25:37.536 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% led to my becoming the moderator of "Washington Week". 25:37.536 --> 25:41.006 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% It is a deep honor to follow in the footsteps of Gwen. 25:41.006 --> 25:43.108 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Thank you so much again for 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