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Funding for to the
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the E. Rhodes and Leona B.
Carpenter Foundation

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The Park Foundation

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and the Charles
A. Frueauff Foundation

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This week on

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To the Contrary. Inequality
and misogyny, criticism

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of the list of nominees chosen
for possible Academy Awards.

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Then,
Marjorie Taylor Greene

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She's apparently on Donald
Trump's short list to run

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with him as his Vice
Presidential nominee.

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Hello I'm
Bonnie Erbe'

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Welcome to To The
Contrary, a discussion

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of news and social trends
from diverse perspectives.

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Up first,
women and entertainment.

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You won't see a female director

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win best director
at the Academy Awards.

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That's because when the list
was released this week,

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no woman was nominated
in the director category.

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It was the same with the Golden
Globes, but the Golden Globes

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included more black performers
than the Oscars will.

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Till, the story of Emmett Till'
murder and his mother's fight

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for justice did not receive
any Oscar nominations.

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The female director, Chinonye
Chukwo, criticized the awards

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as, quote, unabashed misogyny
towards black women, end quote.

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Five actors were nominated
for best actress.

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There were one Asian and one
Hispanic nominee in the group.

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Viola Davis was not on the list,
even though her role

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in the woman king
did receive nominations

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at the Golden Globes
and at the Screen Actors Guild.

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Joining me today

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are Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes
Norton, a Democrat from D.C..

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Columnist for the Washington
Examiner, Tiana Lowe

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the co-founder of Reproaction,
Erin Matson

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and political
strategist Rina Shah.

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So let's start
with you, Congresswoman.

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There were,

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as I mentioned earlier,
there were an Asian-American

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and Hispanic on the list

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for best female actor.

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What does the black community
have a right to complain,

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even though there have been
significant wins in the past

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about the lack of black people
in that category.

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Oh blacks
have every right to complain.

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No nominee for black actress.

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No nominee for black director.

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Clean slate.

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Blacks wiped out.

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So yeah, there's plenty
to complain about.

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But there were five slots. Okay.

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Two did
go to female actors of color.

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What happens if we start,

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you know, generally speaking,

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having

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one minority not feel as though

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people of color
are being given their fair due

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when other minorities
are given recognition?

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What kind of, Rina does that
get us into,

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if a difficult area?

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I think
we get into dicey territory

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when we talk about
how many should there be

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for example,
with the Academy Awards,

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you know,
we saw the highest number

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of Asian-American actors
be nominated.

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But again,
that number was only four.

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So how many is enough?

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And at some point,

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we have to look at the root
of the problem,

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too, is
how are we seeing these people

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get to where they're getting?

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Is it taking a long time?

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We've seen that
with the Asian actors.

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So they've been put in certain
roles.

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They've been typified
a certain way.

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We're seeing all that sort
of breakthrough now,

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and only in recent years

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has a really been
a real consciousness.

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And I know that everybody hates
that word Wokeism Right.

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But is it the worst thing
when we're talking about, again,

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how we just don't see
certain groups

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represented
in a way they ought to be?

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Is it reflective of America? No.

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But what can change

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and I think we get
to the root of the problem

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and see how these people
are being brought up

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through the ranks
as actors and actresses.

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And are they being given
the opportunities to direct

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and be in certain roles
the way their counterparts

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who are are of not minority
status would be?

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So I think that representation

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is not
the only things that matters.

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And what I mean by

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this is let's look at that
best actress race.

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One of Harvey Weinstein's
very unfortunate legacies on

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Hollywood was how he turned
the Oscar nomination and game

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specifically into a money war,
into a publicity war.

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Which is why it's very difficult
for smaller budget films

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to get their incredible actors
and actresses, often

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those that are very diverse
stories represented

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one of the people
who did get represented,

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or one of the people who did
earn a nomination

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was Ana de Armas
for the movie Blond,

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which I don't know
if anyone's seen it, but to me

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that was an incredibly sexist
choice.

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That was a very reductive,
sexist

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portrayal of Marilyn Monroe

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that completely erased her
historical legacy, her comedy

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and her ethos and her strength
as an actress, as as a comedian.

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Right.
It was played for tragedy.

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And I think that a lot of people
in my generation,

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in this post-MeToo world in
Hollywood,

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we're very uncomfortable
with things like

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overly sexualizing actresses
and gratuitous nudity.

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It feels a little bit
like a pay for play, right?

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Like if you are a woman
who wants to be recognized,

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the Oscars, you must strip
this many times on camera.

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All right.

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Let's get because I do want
to get to the larger question.

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What happens to you
as an Asian-American?

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What happens

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if if there are plenty
of African-Americans,

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for example, nominated

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or a large number, let's say
four out of five nominees

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in in the best actress
category were African-American.

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Do you feel
do you give credit that

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just people of color,

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lots of them are in a category

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as opposed to looking
for specific kinds of people?

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I mean, if they deserve it,
then they should earn it, right?

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It doesn't matter what specific

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minorities
you're cherry picking. Right.

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You want to make sure
that the nominees

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look somewhat like America,

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but from year to year,

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they're going to be more

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successful film starring white
actresses or black actresses

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Asian actresses.

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And I think the merit element
of it really matters.

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And a

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lot of the whole OscarsSoWhite
campaign from a few years back

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has to do with the fact that
merit wasn't being recognized.

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Right.

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Black actresses
were being overlooked.

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This year

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The Woman King and Till

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had two fantastic

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lead African-American actresses.

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Why were they ignored?

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For Till, All I'm going to say
is that budget thing

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that that that campaigning.

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That is a lot of what

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I'm referring to, a movie
that doesn't have large coffers,

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you know, to take out
members of the academy.

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It is very corrupt
how these things are chosen.

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So a lot of it is a money game.

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Okay.

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So, Erin,
should we be attacking it

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from the perspective
of not enough money

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thrown into public relations?

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And it is all a PR game?

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Should we be talking about
making sure

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all films, no matter who
they are produced by,

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have equal finances
to try to influence the judges?

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Because that's
what the game is about?

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Well, Bonnie,
I want to take a step back

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for a second and just talk about
what the overall game is here.

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This is a white man's game.

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Hollywood has always been
a white man's game

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and it's extremely white male
dominated.

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And I stand in solidarity,

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in particular with black women
who are very frustrated.

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What has happened with
this latest crop of nominees?

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I want to push it

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a little farther
and just put it out there

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for folks
to start talking about.

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And I'm sure that it'll get
some folks go, whoa.

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But the fact of the matter,
these are nominations.

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These are not awards.

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Is it time to start
looking at some kind

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of affirmative action policy?

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And what might that look like
within the Oscars?

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Because when I look at
I watch the Academy Awards

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or excuse me, not the Academy
Awards, the Golden Globes

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and the Golden Globes
didn't have the same problem.

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It seems that
there is a specific problem.

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It didn't.

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It did in terms of like
I watched the Golden Globes

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and there was white Steven
Spielberg accepting the award

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for the
Fablemen's with like three

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or four of his closest aides,
all older white men.

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So I just it still looked to me
like the occasional,

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you know, gay person,
Ryan Murphy and the occasional

08:53.400 --> 08:54.633 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
person of color.

08:54.633 --> 08:57.366 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55%
Billy Porter
was up on the stage,

08:57.666 --> 09:00.433 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65%
but and the audience
was pretty diverse.

09:00.733 --> 09:02.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
But the people on stage
were not.

09:03.166 --> 09:05.533 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5%
So Rina,
what do we do about that?

09:05.533 --> 09:07.966 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5%
Well, there is a number
of things I think we can do.

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And I think, again, I'm a root
of the problem type of gal.

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I just think these

09:12.100 --> 09:15.433 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
these industries need
diversifying in so many ways.

09:15.666 --> 09:17.600 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5%
Opportunities
wise, scholarship wise,

09:17.600 --> 09:20.266 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5%
why aren't a lot of people
of color studying certain

09:20.600 --> 09:21.733 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5%
types of arts? Right.

09:21.733 --> 09:24.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
Because there is a sense
that art will not pay.

09:24.833 --> 09:27.933 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5%
And of course, I'm
sharing an immigrant trope from,

09:27.933 --> 09:28.666 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
I would assume,

09:28.666 --> 09:29.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
a lot of Asian-Americans

09:29.800 --> 09:31.666 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5%
and of course a lot of African

09:31.666 --> 09:33.766 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5%
families who immigrate
from Africa as well.

09:33.766 --> 09:36.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
There's a sense that your child
has to go into something

09:36.133 --> 09:37.866 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5%
that will give you
a stability, a job.

09:37.866 --> 09:38.866 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5%
But there are

09:38.866 --> 09:40.800 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5%
these younger generations,
kids of immigrants

09:40.800 --> 09:43.033 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75%
who want to pursue something
in the performing arts, but

09:43.233 --> 09:45.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
they don't have the opportunity,

09:45.033 --> 09:46.700 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
the privilege,
that certain network.

09:46.700 --> 09:48.800 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
And so we have to think about
more private

09:48.800 --> 09:51.000 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65%
public partnerships.
I think in this space as well.

09:51.200 --> 09:54.433 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
I'm just not a Quotas person,
and I really, really do caution

09:54.433 --> 09:56.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
against certain kind of,

09:56.466 --> 09:57.133 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5%
you know,

09:57.133 --> 09:58.866 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75%
affirmative action policies

09:58.866 --> 10:00.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
just because I think they can do

10:00.033 --> 10:01.766 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5%
more harm than good
in some ways.

10:01.766 --> 10:04.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
I have great faith in this fact.

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As as Erin said,

10:07.200 --> 10:10.266 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
traditional Hollywood is a
is a white man's game.

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I talked to an agent
a year or so ago.

10:13.333 --> 10:16.500 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5%
This was after the MeToo
movement had sort of faded.

10:16.500 --> 10:18.733 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75%
Now it's almost out of view.

10:19.033 --> 10:21.100 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65%
But I asked him what

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impact it had had on Hollywood,

10:24.933 --> 10:27.200 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75%
you know, the casting couch
and all of that.

10:27.200 --> 10:31.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
And he said none that everything
was back to the way it was.

10:31.300 --> 10:33.400 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5%
Now, I'm
not a part of that network.

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I don't know.

10:34.233 --> 10:38.466 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75%
But I do see lots of women,

10:38.466 --> 10:41.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
and particularly women of color

10:41.833 --> 10:45.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
starting up their own production
companies and completely

10:45.500 --> 10:48.800 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5%
bypassing Hollywood on the way

10:48.800 --> 10:50.833 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
to the streaming

10:51.900 --> 10:54.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
networks, which are more
and more considered

10:55.000 --> 10:56.200 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5%
the same as Hollywood

10:56.200 --> 10:59.766 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5%
when it comes to awards,
just as quality production.

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So isn't the the

11:03.766 --> 11:07.033 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5%
the solution
to all this, Eleanor,

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to just bypass the old boys
game?

11:10.633 --> 11:15.133 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
Yeah, Bonnie, That's the way
to get into the game yourself

11:16.000 --> 11:18.766 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
with with black actresses

11:18.766 --> 11:21.700 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5%
and directors
depending on Hollywood.

11:21.933 --> 11:24.033 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5%
We see what the answer is.

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The same things
and the same people.

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So this
new outgrowth of of outlets

11:34.566 --> 11:38.433 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5%
and people
fending for themselves

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is the way to get noticed

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and the way to get Hollywood
back into the game.

11:44.366 --> 11:48.400 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
And as you say, with streaming
and as so many other outlets,

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Hulu who I mean,
Hollywood is not all there is.

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So let's take advantage.

11:53.833 --> 11:56.700 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
It really cannot be overstated
how much the Internet

11:56.700 --> 11:59.066 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
has democratized
content creation. Right.

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Like the biggest deals right now

12:00.933 --> 12:02.866 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
that some talent
agencies are brokering

12:02.866 --> 12:05.766 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75%
are not actors and actresses
who are on the traditional

12:05.766 --> 12:07.233 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
golden screen. Right.

12:07.233 --> 12:10.366 align:left position:22.5% line:5% size:67.5%
It's people on Tik-tok,
which is a Chinese Communist

12:10.366 --> 12:11.966 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
Party ran app.
I will just add that.

12:11.966 --> 12:14.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
But the point is they're making
independent content.

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They don't have producers.

12:15.366 --> 12:17.566 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75%
And even a lot of the people
who are going to

12:17.566 --> 12:21.366 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75%
Netflix are going to HBO Max,
are private independent studios.

12:21.366 --> 12:22.866 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5%
It then broker deals with them

12:22.866 --> 12:25.133 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55%
to the point
about being respected,

12:25.133 --> 12:28.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
especially as a woman of color
in a traditionally white

12:28.400 --> 12:30.033 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5%
rich man industry.

12:30.033 --> 12:31.033 align:left position:32.5% line:89% size:57.5%
Shonda Rhimes.

12:31.266 --> 12:34.933 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75%
The reason why she left ABC
Disney. Here is why after she

12:34.933 --> 12:37.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
created Gray's Anatomy, Scandal,
some of the best

12:37.900 --> 12:40.000 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65%
shows on television
in the last 15 years,

12:40.233 --> 12:43.300 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
she went to Disney to ask for,
I think three extra

12:43.633 --> 12:46.433 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5%
like Disneyland passes
because she had family

12:46.433 --> 12:49.266 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5%
visiting her and they said no.

12:50.166 --> 12:51.266 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5%
Within like a few months,

12:51.266 --> 12:52.966 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
she inked a deal
with Netflix Worth.

12:52.966 --> 12:56.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
It was one of the most expensive
deals Netflix has ever made.

12:56.933 --> 12:57.966 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65%
And she's there now.

12:57.966 --> 13:00.533 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75%
And she gave them Bridgerton
and she gave them

13:01.100 --> 13:03.466 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
the Emmy nominated mini series
(inaudible)..

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So the point being,
because it is no longer,

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you know, your grandmother's
Hollywood industry

13:10.500 --> 13:13.500 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75%
where there's, you know, MGM
and a few other producers.

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You have so many options
these these days.

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And that's
why we're going to see better,

13:18.333 --> 13:19.800 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5%
more democratized content.

13:19.800 --> 13:21.633 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5%
And I think that will bode
very well for diversity.

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In the end, capitalism
always wins.

13:23.733 --> 13:26.100 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
Well, I would like to believe
that in the end

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that people will win.

13:28.900 --> 13:31.500 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
And capitalism is a tool
for serving people.

13:31.500 --> 13:32.733 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5%
Correct.

13:32.733 --> 13:34.933 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5%
But I would like to just
close up with saying, you know,

13:34.933 --> 13:36.766 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5%
what matters about
this is Hollywood

13:36.766 --> 13:38.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
is incredibly important
and powerful.

13:38.966 --> 13:41.800 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75%
And the stories that we see
not only

13:42.400 --> 13:45.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
send a message to young people
about what they can do

13:45.100 --> 13:46.300 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5%
and be and achieve,

13:46.300 --> 13:48.933 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
but it also they're important
for people of all ages

13:48.933 --> 13:51.200 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5%
and building empathy
and understanding other people.

13:51.200 --> 13:52.600 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5%
So it is really important

13:52.600 --> 13:54.433 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75%
that we have more diversity
in Hollywood.

13:54.433 --> 13:54.966 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5%
All right.

13:55.300 --> 13:58.466 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
From movie drama
to political drama,

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Georgia Republican and U.S.

14:01.633 --> 14:04.666 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
Representative Marjorie Taylor
Greene reportedly

14:04.666 --> 14:07.366 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5%
wants to be Donald Trump's
next running mate.

14:07.766 --> 14:10.733 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5%
Steve Bannon,
a former aide for Trump, says

14:10.733 --> 14:13.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
she sees herself as the next VP,

14:13.766 --> 14:17.366 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65%
although she is coy
and denying that she's running.

14:17.900 --> 14:20.900 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
The second term congresswoman
has recently undergone

14:21.233 --> 14:23.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
an attempted rebranding.

14:23.466 --> 14:26.266 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
She made her name
as a far right agitator,

14:26.600 --> 14:30.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
but now she wants voters
to see her as a uniter

14:30.566 --> 14:32.933 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75%
between the GOP's two wings.

14:33.433 --> 14:36.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
She recently campaigned to elect
Kevin

14:36.266 --> 14:38.933 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5%
McCarthy of California
as House speaker

14:39.233 --> 14:42.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
when many of her allies
were set against him.

14:42.866 --> 14:45.866 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
But for his part,
Trump is not shown any

14:45.866 --> 14:49.000 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55%
indication
he's decided on a running mate.

14:49.000 --> 14:52.100 align:left position:45% line:83% size:45%
Rina,
you are a Republican analyst

14:52.466 --> 14:55.566 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
and have spent
a lot of time in the party,

14:55.566 --> 14:59.066 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
although you're not
a Trump supporter, obviously.

15:00.366 --> 15:02.833 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
Would she
be a bit a good pick for him?

15:02.833 --> 15:04.833 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
Well, I've spent a lot of time
with Republican women

15:04.833 --> 15:06.633 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5%
over the past two decades,
and I can tell you

15:06.633 --> 15:09.366 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
she's unlike the vast majority
I've met.

15:09.700 --> 15:12.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
She's somebody that doesn't care
about public service.

15:12.333 --> 15:14.400 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
She's deeply unserious.

15:14.400 --> 15:16.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
She also has no desire to learn

15:16.200 --> 15:18.166 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5%
how to govern,
to pull the levers.

15:18.166 --> 15:19.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
I don't think she's in.

15:19.300 --> 15:22.233 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5%
That sound
just like Donald Trump. Exactly.

15:22.233 --> 15:24.166 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5%
So there's a fit right there.

15:24.166 --> 15:25.666 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5%
This is about personality.

15:25.666 --> 15:27.066 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70%
This is about the value

15:27.066 --> 15:29.966 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5%
beyond just serving people
and a constituency.

15:30.266 --> 15:32.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
This is about enriching oneself.

15:32.300 --> 15:34.933 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
And she saw that
and she's taken the opportunity.

15:35.566 --> 15:39.066 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75%
She really gave herself away
during the contentious

15:39.366 --> 15:42.200 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5%
many days of multiple ballots.

15:42.200 --> 15:45.200 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65%
And Kevin McCarthy's
election to the speakership,

15:45.200 --> 15:46.700 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65%
it was about getting
what she wanted.

15:46.700 --> 15:48.300 align:left position:37.5% line:83% size:52.5%
In the end,
she wanted committees.

15:48.300 --> 15:50.000 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50%
She knew
McCarthy would give them back.

15:50.000 --> 15:52.066 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5%
She knew how valuable her
one vote was.

15:52.066 --> 15:54.000 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55%
So she didn't
go with her friends,

15:54.000 --> 15:56.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
which I call the crazy clown car
caucus of people

15:56.500 --> 15:59.300 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
like Representative Matt Gaetz
and and Lauren Boebert.

15:59.300 --> 16:01.600 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65%
These people, again,
I call them that

16:02.033 --> 16:04.033 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5%
because they prove it
that they want to

16:04.033 --> 16:06.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
not just shake things up,
they want to blow things up.

16:06.666 --> 16:08.466 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5%
They want to act
like the clowns in the room

16:08.466 --> 16:10.533 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
because they want
to draw attention to themselves.

16:10.533 --> 16:12.066 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5%
So Marjorie Taylor Greene

16:12.066 --> 16:14.166 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75%
saying that she wants to be
Trump's running mate,

16:14.166 --> 16:17.100 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
going down to Mar a Lago, much
like Carrie Lake of Arizona.

16:17.633 --> 16:19.133 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65%
These people want to

16:19.133 --> 16:21.500 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
hitch their train
and hitch their bank account

16:21.500 --> 16:23.600 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
to what they see
is deeply lucrative.

16:23.600 --> 16:26.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
And that is still Trump
world in the MAGA universe.

16:26.266 --> 16:26.666 align:left position:35% line:89% size:55%
I mean, he.

16:27.200 --> 16:29.400 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
Has lost so much credibility
and so much.

16:29.800 --> 16:31.500 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
And the reason
that there are a lot

16:31.500 --> 16:34.433 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
more moderate
Republicans out there

16:34.800 --> 16:39.400 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75%
and people elected to office
becoming more moderate.

16:40.433 --> 16:42.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
I think of DeSantis in Florida,

16:42.900 --> 16:45.600 align:left position:25% line:89% size:65%
who signed a 15 week

16:46.466 --> 16:50.266 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
abortion bill, pro-abortion,
you know, abortion rights bill,

16:50.266 --> 16:51.966 align:left position:12.5% line:89% size:77.5%
that you can have an abortion

16:51.966 --> 16:55.600 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
up to 15 weeks,
wanting to position himself

16:55.900 --> 17:00.633 align:left position:17.5% line:83% size:72.5%
in his run for president
as not anti-choice in the way

17:00.900 --> 17:04.533 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5%
that the Supreme Court
and this and the extreme right

17:04.533 --> 17:08.066 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5%
wing of the party,
which is positioning itself.

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My point is, is she more of
a turnoff to voters than a turn

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on? She's a certainly a turnoff
to many voters.

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You know, here's a woman who's

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only in her second term
in Congress,

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and you got to give her credit
for gumption

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because now
she wants to be vice president.

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Interesting to note that Trump

17:32.000 --> 17:33.300 align:left position:40% line:83% size:50%
hasn't
said anything.

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This is a woman who was taken
off of her committees.

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And he, in turn,

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has just taken two Democrats
off their committees.

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That's right.

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She was taken off of her
committees.

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Now she's on.

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By the way,
one of my committees, Oversight,

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but she's now
been put on Homeland Security.

17:55.333 --> 17:58.433 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5%
And McCarthy
has also put her on a

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a committee
which is investigating COVID

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19. But it's interesting
to note, here's a woman

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I never heard of,

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a member of Congress saying,
I want to be Vice-President.

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I am.

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The silence from
Trump is deafening.

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But what about Barack Obama?

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I mean, he ran for president
after two years in the Senate.

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It's not the number of years
alone. It's

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and remember,
he was in the Senate,

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which is the next place
up to be president.

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This is a now two year member

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of the House of Representatives
promoting herself.

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Nobody is promoting her

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to be vice
president of the United States.

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You got to give her credit.

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But I think there's one
really large point

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that is missing
from the national conversation

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here, how dangerous it is
to have somebody

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who doesn't seem of sane
and rational mind

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on these committees
within our U.S.

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House of Representatives,

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members of Congress, as Eleanor

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well knows
from her years of service,

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you're routinely exposed to
classified information, things

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that would be considered
national secrets.

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I mean, the problem is
these people aren't just

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they don't care
about intellectual discourse.

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That's fine.

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That's already a problem
for our representative democracy

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that they don't care about
vigorous intellectual debate.

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But the very fact that
she's not she has exhibited

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a sense that she's not sane.

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I can imagine her going out
on a campaign

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trail and certain
just blurt things out.

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That is dangerous for America.

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And I think that's missing
from the larger conversation.

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We need to talk about how

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we have these people in Congress
who cannot be trusted.

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That's something I don't think
we've seen in the modern era.

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And do you think
what do you think

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we'll see
next in the coming summer

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when the debt
ceiling is reached?

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And do you think we'll see

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whether she's serious about
blowing things up, which is

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how she got into office,
including the entire U.S.

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economy
and trying to blow that up

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with a fight
over the debt ceiling?

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Will we see whether she chooses

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to try to be Trump's
running mate and moderates

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herself, rebrands
herself, or will we see her

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doing what she

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did as she came in, which is

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be a part of a government
that she wants to destroy?

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I don't think that she's going

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to be
a part of those discussions.

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Those are going to be high level

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discussions
among the Republicans

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because they're going
to have to decide

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what very specific concessions
they want to derive.

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Right.

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But consider her now
pretty high up in the party

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and in terms of her influence
with the extreme right.

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Being close to Kevin McCarthy

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and sort of being a liaison
between Kevin McCarthy and that

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further fringe end of the House
Freedom Caucus,

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that is not the same thing
as what another person

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who I think is a far more viable
running mate to Trump is.

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Like Elise Stefanik,
hear me out.

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The whole

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purpose of what what Trump
needs out of a running mate,

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he needs two things.

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One, someone who can be
a good liaison to Congress

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and someone
who is a serious policy mind.

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And he also wants someone
who represents

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a little more diversity
than Mike Pence

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and someone who has absolute
loyalty to him.

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Elise
Stefanik fits all four things.

21:18.733 --> 21:22.933 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
And if she in House leadership
can help see this thing through.

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Right, that bodes
very well for Trump.

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And the thing is, Elise Stefanik
is perfectly positioned to not

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blow up the blow up America's
credit rating because Trump

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specifically said he doesn't
want to touch entitlements,

21:35.966 --> 21:38.333 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5%
which means, in effect,
that Trump just wants to keep on

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spending
like everybody else does. Right?

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The only way we really curtail
our federal spending

21:43.566 --> 21:44.966 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5%
is entitlement reform.

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What about military spending?

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Military spending is half
that of of non-discretionary

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entitlements spending.

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Still a very
large chunk of the budget.

21:56.000 --> 21:56.800 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5%
Sure, sure, sure.

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If you want to tackle something
that's half the size

21:59.133 --> 22:02.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80%
of non-discretionary entitlement
spending, that is it

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slated to grow year over
year. Right?

22:05.200 --> 22:07.333 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75%
Absolute military spending,

22:07.333 --> 22:10.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70%
adjusted for inflation,
has not increased at all.

22:10.466 --> 22:11.700 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5%
Absolute entitlement.

22:11.700 --> 22:14.233 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5%
Social Security,
Medicare, Medicaid spending

22:14.233 --> 22:15.400 align:left position:22.5% line:89% size:67.5%
adjusted for inflation

22:15.400 --> 22:17.933 align:left position:25% line:83% size:65%
has been exploding,
will continue to explode.

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Let me let Eleanor jump in here.

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Military spending
not increasing with all the.

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I don't know where you get that
from.

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Yeah, well, military spending
has been increasing

22:29.400 --> 22:32.833 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5%
under both Republican
and Democrats.

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Now, even Republicans
now are talking

22:35.933 --> 22:38.633 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5%
about whether we want
to increase anything,

22:38.966 --> 22:41.900 align:left position:15% line:89% size:75%
including military spending.

22:43.766 --> 22:47.633 align:left position:22.5% line:83% size:67.5%
So everything has now
gotten on the table.

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And if if the usual

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Republican notion of just keep

22:55.033 --> 22:58.000 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5%
doing military
spending is even on the table.

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All right.

22:58.633 --> 22:59.766 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5%
But also, I want one thing

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I want to get to that you,
Tiana, you didn't mention

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you talk about Elise Stefanik
as a great V.P.

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choice for Trump or potential.

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Then the Democrats
have one thing on their ticket

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that the Republicans don't,
and that's a person of color.

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And in the last elections,

23:22.266 --> 23:24.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80%
the Republicans have made gains,

23:25.033 --> 23:26.966 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55%
not so much
with African-Americans,

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but certainly
with Hispanic Americans.

23:30.966 --> 23:39.333 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
And I wonder if and of course,
you know, Kamala Harris is

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is from
two backgrounds of color.

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So I'm wondering
if it would be wise for Trump

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to choose a white woman.

23:51.333 --> 23:52.700 align:left position:32.5% line:83% size:57.5%
- Would that.
- Ba Bonnie?

23:52.700 --> 23:56.066 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
I'm talking about what I think
what I think Trump would do.

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And what if I were being paid
to advise him

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what I would recommend
that he does do? Right?

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There are certain candidates

24:00.766 --> 24:02.633 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
he just couldn't live with
because he he

24:02.633 --> 24:05.100 align:left position:32.5% line:5% size:57.5%
he he requires
absolute loyalty. Right.

24:05.100 --> 24:06.366 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
Which really limits

24:06.366 --> 24:09.233 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
how many people you can have
because a good politician,

24:09.233 --> 24:11.066 align:left position:35% line:83% size:55%
would want,
you know, actual advice

24:11.066 --> 24:13.266 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
for what to do.
He just wants a yes man. Right.

24:13.266 --> 24:15.466 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60%
Eise Stefanick
can be both a yes man

24:15.466 --> 24:16.666 align:left position:17.5% line:89% size:72.5%
and a serious policy mind,

24:16.666 --> 24:18.400 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5%
even though I think
that she's made

24:18.400 --> 24:19.666 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75%
some questionable decisions
as of late.

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But I don't think

24:20.900 --> 24:22.766 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
but I don't think Donald Trump
is going to be the nominee.

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I think it will be Ron DeSantis.

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wager on a running mate,
I think the obvious one would be

24:28.333 --> 24:28.833 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5%
Tim Scott

24:28.833 --> 24:29.633 align:left position:27.5% line:89% size:62.5%
and the dark horse

24:29.633 --> 24:30.466 align:left position:37.5% line:89% size:52.5%
would be

24:30.466 --> 24:32.600 align:left position:27.5% line:83% size:62.5%
someone lower level
from Florida,

24:32.600 --> 24:34.733 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75%
maybe like a Francis Suarez
or someone.

24:34.733 --> 24:35.566 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60%
But but really,

24:35.566 --> 24:37.300 align:left position:15% line:83% size:75%
I think it's going to be Ron
DeSantis

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and Tim Scott who wind up
at the top of that ticket.

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All right. Your thoughts, Erin?

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Does it matter if Republicans

24:44.400 --> 24:48.033 align:left position:12.5% line:83% size:77.5%
have an all white presidential
and vice presidential ticket?

24:48.033 --> 24:52.500 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
Bonnie, I've been sitting here
so amused by this idea

24:52.500 --> 24:54.333 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
that Donald Trump cares a hoot
about diversity

24:54.333 --> 24:54.533 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
and optics and diversity.

24:54.866 --> 24:56.500 align:left position:25% line:5% size:65%
He clearly showed us

24:56.500 --> 24:58.500 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60%
during four years
of an administration

24:58.500 --> 25:02.100 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
where he tried to overthrow
our status as a democracy,

25:02.333 --> 25:04.933 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
that he is more than happy to
surround himself with white men.

25:04.933 --> 25:07.766 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70%
I do not think he cares
about that at all.

25:07.766 --> 25:08.700 align:left position:37.5% line:5% size:52.5%
One whit.

25:09.033 --> 25:13.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
I think he thinks it's funny and
it's it's unimportant to him.

25:13.500 --> 25:14.566 align:left position:35% line:5% size:55%
I do think,

25:14.566 --> 25:17.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80%
you know, to the Marjorie Taylor
Greene piece,

25:17.300 --> 25:17.733 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
I want to highlight
that she really does

25:18.533 --> 25:21.466 align:left position:17.5% line:5% size:72.5%
seem like the perfect buddy
for him in so many ways, between

25:21.733 --> 25:25.733 align:left position:12.5% line:5% size:77.5%
not just what Rina laid out,
but the conspiracy mongering,

25:25.733 --> 25:30.000 align:left position:27.5% line:5% size:62.5%
the open attacks
that she has on people of color

25:30.000 --> 25:32.000 align:left position:15% line:5% size:75%
and the way that she invokes
violence.

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And Bonnie,
we just need to be very clear

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about what is at stake

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in this next election.
We are fighting

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against authoritarianism
in America, period.

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All right.
That's it for this edition.

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And whether you agree
or think to the contrary.

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See you next week.

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