>>> THIS WEEK ON TO THE

CONTRARY, IS THERE GENDER BIAS

IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL

PRIMARY?

THEN, MARRIED VERSUS UNMARRIED

MOMS AND HOUSEWORK.

A SURPRISING RESULT OF A NEW

SURVEY.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES, SAFE

TRAVELS AS WOMEN TRAVEL SOLO

INTERNATIONALLY IN RECORD

NUMBERS, WE TELL YOU WHAT YOU

NEED TO KNOW ABOUT STAYING SAFE.

HELLO AND WELCOME TO TO THE

CONTRARY.

UP FIRST, WOMEN RUNNING FOR

PRESIDENT.

WITH A DIVERSE FIELD OF 21

DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL

CANDIDATES, A PINK WAVE IN 2018,

AND AN UNDERSTANDING THAT

AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMEN ARE THE

MOST LOYAL VOTERS IN THE PARTY.

WHY ARE WHITE MEN LEADING THE

PACK?

A MORNING CONSULT POLL THIS WEEK

SHOWS JOE BIDEN IN THE LEAD WITH

40% FOLLOWED BY BERNIE SANDERS

AT 19%, THEN ELIZABETH WARREN

AND KAMALA HARRIS IN THE SINGLE

DIGIT SES.

THESE NUMBERS HAVE STAYED

CONSISTENT AMONG DIFFERENT

POLLS.

ALSO CONSISTENT IS POLLING DATA

SUGGESTING DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY

VOTERS SUPPORT FEMALE CANDIDATES

BUT THEY'RE SKEPTICAL THAT A

WOMAN CAN BEAT DONALD TRUMP.

POLITICAL ANALYSTS SAY IT'S NOT

SURPRISING BECAUSE VOTERS HOLD

FEMALE POLITICIANS TO A HIGHER

STANDARD THAN MEN AND THEY HAVE

TO WORK HARDER, DEFEND POLICIES

MORE, AND BE MORE LIKABLE.

>> SO LATIFA LYLES, WHY ARE

WOMEN NOT BREAKING THROUGH?

>> I WOULD SAY THEY'RE WORKING

THROUGH.

WE'RE WORKING IN A SYSTEM THAT

SIGNIFICANTLY FAVORS WHITE MEN

CONSISTENTLY.

>> WOMEN ARE BREAKING THROUGH IN

THIS MOMENT.

WE HAVE SO MUCH MORE AT OUR

FINGERTIPS THAN WE USED TO.

I THINK WOMEN ARE CONTINUING TO

PUSH BACK AND WE'LL SEE THE

POSITIVE EFFECT THAT IS TO COME.

>> I JUST HOPE WE CAN CHANGE

BECAUSE IT IS WORRY SOME AND THE

MOST WORRISOME PART IS POLLS

SHOW THAT MEN ARE AHEAD.

>> IT CAN BE WOMEN AND VOTERS

STILL SUPPORT THE CANDIDATES NOT

BASTED ON GENDER BUT THE ISSUES

AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY SOME WOMEN

STRUGGLE TO BREAK THROUGH.

>> OKAY. BUT CAN YOU -- ON WHAT

ISSUE WOULD YOU PREFER AS A

VOTER JOE BIDEN TO KAMALA

HARRIS?

NO.

AT THIS POINT IN THE GAME MOST

DON'T KNOW SO IT'S MORE NAME

RECOGNITION AND CULTURAL BIASES.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> BUT WHY DIDN'T THE ME TOO

MOVEMENT CHANGE THIS ALREADY?

WHY DIDN'T SECOND WAVE FEMINISM

CHANGE IT?

THIS IS NOT A NEW PROBLEM.

>> AND BONNIE, IT'S WORSE BY THE

FACT THAT THE DEMOCRATIC BASE IS

SO DECEMBER PAT TO DEFEAT --

DESPERATE TO DEFEAT TRUMP

BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WHOEVER IS

GOING TO BE TRUMP AND PEOPLE

TRULY BELIEVE THIS IS NOT THE

MOMENT TO TAKE A RISK.

AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.

I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT MYSELF.

I LOVE ELIZABETH WARREN.

I THINK SHE'S THE RIGHT CANED

CANDIDATE.

BUT I DON'T THINK SHE'S

ELECTABLE.

IS IT TRUE OR NOT?

>> AND BUSH, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS

SEEN TO BE BUSH THE SECOND, WAS

SEEN TO BE, YOU KNOW, LIKABLE.

I NEVER UNDERSTOOD THAT.

BUT LIKABILITY IS A PROBLEM AND

DO YOU THINK KAMALA HARRIS, IS

SHE LIKABLE?

IS ELIZABETH WARREN OR OTHERS?

>> IT'S A DIFFERENT SET OF

LENSES WE SHARE WHEN WE LOOK AT

FEMALES VERSUS THE MALES BECAUSE

THAT NOTION OF LIKABILITY GOES

BACK TO THE BUSINESS WORLD OF

MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.

WHEN YOU CAN SIT AND HAVE A BEER

WITH SOMEONE.

DO YOU WANT TO SIT AND HAVE A

BEER WITH YOUR PRESIDENT?

IS THIS HILLARY CLINTON'S FAULT?

>> OH, I DON'T WANT TO FAULT

THAT.

>> MOST PEOPLE WOULD SAY SHE

WASN'T LIKABLE.

SHE'S BRILLIANT.

SHE'S A LOT OF THINGS BUT SHE'S

NOT WARM AND FUZZY.

>> YOU KNOW, I HAVE A TOUGH TIME

WITH THAT BECAUSE I NEVER

SUPPORTED HILLARY CLINTON

POLITICALLY OR FINANCIALLY BUT

SHE WAS THE EPITOME OF WHAT MY

MOTHER RAISED ME TO BE WHICH WAS

STRONG AND ACCOMPLISHED AND PUT

YOURSELF OUT THERE AND KEEP

PRESSING ON.

BUT, YEAH, THERE WAS THAT

ELEMENT OF DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU

COULD SIT DOWN WITH HILLARY?

NO SHE HAD A SET OF ASPIRATIONS

THAT WERE POLITICAL IN NATURE

BUT TO FAULT HER FOR THAT I

THINK IS GOING TOO FAR.

>> I WOULD JUST ADD THE MEDIA

PLAYS A ROLE HERE.

I MEAN, THE SPREADS OF BETO

O'ROURKE TRYING TO BOOST HIS

LIKABILITY.

I THINK IT MAKES IT HARD WHEN

YOU HAVE SOME FOLKS BUSHING BETO

ONE DAY AND THEN BERNIE THE NEXT

AND NOT GIVING ATTENTION TO

WOMEN WHO I WILL TOTALLY

DISAGREE WITH THE POLICIES FROM

ELIZABETH WARREN BUT SHE'S

PUTTING POLICIES OUT THERE.

>> SHE'S BEEN WORKING VERY HARD

AND ARGUABLY THE LONGEST ON THE

ROAD DOING THE TRADITIONAL GRASS

ROOTS WORK TO GET ELECTED AND AT

THIS POINT -- I WOULD ALSO SAY

PROBABLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A

BEER WITH HER.

I THINK SHE'D BE INTERESTING TO

HAVE A BEER WITH.

>> DID YOU SEE THE VIDEO THOUGH?

>> SHE DID THAT VIDEO.

[LAUGHTER]

>> YOU DIDN'T WANT TO COME IN

FOR THAT BEER.

>> BUT I THINK THAT THE MOMENT

THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW IS SO

TELLING ABOUT THE INSECURITY TO

HAVE SO MANY CANDIDATES FROM SO

MANY DIVERSE BACKGROUNDS SHOWING

UP WITH CREDENTIALS, WITH HARD

WORK, ROLLED UP SLEEVES.

WE'RE IN A BUOYANT OF CRISIS OF

CONFIDENCE IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE

WE'RE JUST -- WE ARE OVERFLOWING

WITH FOLKS WHO VICE PRESIDENT A

GOOD MESSAGE AND COULD RUN FOR

OFFICE AND BEAT TRUMP BUT I

THINK THERE'S SO MUCH

INSECURITY.

>> AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO

HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

I'M GLAD TO SEE MORE ARTICLES

ABOUT IT.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE NOW

REFLECTING THEMSELVES, AM I

DOING THIS?

AM I PLAYING THIS GAME?

AND THIS IS NOT OVER.

WE'RE JUST STARTING.

WHO KNOWS.

>> WHAT I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT AS

CRITICAL IS WHO IS GOING TO BE

THE BEST DEBATER?

DOES EVERYBODY THINK JOE BIDEN

IS GOING TO BEAT DONALD TRUMP IN

A DEBATE AND KAMALA HARRIS

COULDN'T?

>> I'M GOING TO ANSWER THAT

QUESTION BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE

THESE ARTICLES ON SUCH A BIG

FIELD BECAUSE PUTTING MY

STRATEGIST HAT ON FOR A MOMENT I

WANT TO SEE WHO CAN TAKE THE

PRESIDENT ON.

LIKE, THIS IS NOT A MOMENT FOR

EVERYBODY RUN TO THE POOL LIKE

SUMMER CAMP JUST STARTED.

THIS IS BEAT THE GUY IF YOU

DON'T LIKE HIM THAT MUCH.

SO BE SMART ABOUT IT.

ONE OLD WHITE GUY VERSUS ANOTHER

OLD WHITE GUY PRESENTS THE BEST

CHALLENGE BECAUSE IT REMOVES

THOSE LAYERS.

I KNOW IT'S NOT POLITICALLY THE

SAVVIEST AND NICEST TO SAY BUT

IT'S TRUE.

BIDEN HAS THAT TELLS YOU LIKE IT

IS THING AND TRUMP --

>> MANY HAVE THAT.

>> I REMEMBER INTERVIEWING A

DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST WHEN OBAMA

WAS RUNNING AND THEY WERE

TALKING ABOUT HIS VEEP AND

BECAUSE HE'S OF COLOR I WAS TOLD

SOMETHING LIKE IT'S GOT TO BE

WHITE MILK.

YOU KNOW.

IT'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING VERY

WHITE BREAD.

SOMETHING NOT OFFENSIVE TO

ANYBODY BECAUSE RUNNING A

PRESIDENT OF COLOR IS GOING TO

OFFEND SOME PEOPLE AND A LOT OF

PEOPLE SAY WE NOW HAVE TRUMP

BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS GOT OBAMA

ELECTED.

>> FRANKLY I DON'T THINK THE

QUESTION OF DEBATES IS -- I

DON'T REMEMBER TRUMP WINNING A

DEBATE.

DO YOU?

I DON'T FEEL LIKE IN THE LAST

ELECTION CYCLE HE CAME TOGETHER

VERY WELL AT ALL IN THE DEBATES

AND NOW WE'RE LIKE WHO CAN BEAT

HIM ON THE ISSUES.

HE DOESN'T GO TO TASK ON ISSUES.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

THIS IS ABOUT HOW MESSAGING

WORKS.

IT'S ABOUT GETTING TO HEARTS AND

MINDS.

AND YOU CAN HAVE SOMEONE JUST AS

SAVVY AS THE NEXT PERSON.

>> THE LAST DEBATE PARTICULARLY

HE WAS FOLLOWING HER AROUND AND

YELLING.

HOW DOES A WOMAN DEAL -- WOULD

YOU DEAL EFFECTIVELY -- WOULD

YOU TURN AROUND AND START

FOLLOWING HIM AND SCREAMING AT

HIM?

IS.

>> YEAH.

THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS THIS

IS ABOUT POTENTIALITY AND ABOUT

GIVING PEOPLE A CHANCE.

AND THE PROBLEM WITH THE BIAS

THAT WE'RE SEEING AND THE PEOPLE

NOT RECOGNIZING THE FULL

POTENTIAL OF THE FEMALE

CANDIDATE IS THEY MAY BE THE

BEST CANDIDATE TO GO AFTER

TRUMP.

IF WE DO NOT LOOK AT IT THROUGH

THE BIAS OF HILLARY CLINTON LOST

BECAUSE SHE WAS A WOMAN OR A

WOMAN CANNOT REALLY PUT TOGETHER

A STRONG FIELD OPERATION.

>> IT IS ABOUT THE ISSUES THIS

TIME.

AND I THINK YOU CAN SPEAK TO

THAT BECAUSE THE ECONOMY IS

STRONG.

>> EXACTLY.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

PRESIDENT TRUMP COMING TO THE

TABLE WITH THE ADVANTAGE OF

BEING PRESIDENT.

THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING A

STELLAR ECONOMY AND DATA TO

PROVE THAT IT WAS NOT JUST OBAMA

ERA POLICIES.

TALKING ABOUT THE DEBATE, AT THE

TIME TRUMP DIDN'T GET INTO

ISSUES BUT IT WAS HOW HE WAS

ABLE TO COMMUNICATE

SIMPLISTICALLY TO AMERICAN

PEOPLE WHO FELT LIKE EVERYONE

TALKED OVER THEM AND TALKED

ABOVE THEIR HEADS.

I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF

THE CANDIDATES ON THE LEFT YOU

HAVE PROFESSORS, LAWYERS, THEY

WILL BE GUMPRECHTTUALS AND

THAT'S GREAT BUT THEN YOU HAVE A

LOT OF PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT

SOMETHING SIMPLE AND BOILED DOWN

AND IF THEY CAN'T MATCH THAT

SIMPLICITY AND THE FIRMNESS OF

THE PRESIDENT THEY'RE NOT GOING

TO BE THE BEST CANDIDATE AND I

THINK THE DIMENSIONS ARE MORE

THAN JUST --

>> WE'RE OUT OF TIME.

SORRY.

WE HAVE TO MOVE ON.

LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT

THIS ISSUE.

FROM WOMEN IN PRESIDENTIAL

POLITICS TO MOMS AT HOME.

>> IF YOU ASSUME MARRIED MOMS DO

LESS HOUSEWORK THAN SINGLE MOMS

BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PARTNER

AROUND TO HELP OUT, YOU WOULD BE

WRONG.

ACCORDING TO A SURVEY BY THE

UNIVERSITIES OF MARYLAND, TEXAS,

AND SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, WHEN IT

COMES TO DOMESTIC WORK, MARRIED

MOMS DO MORE.

LET'S GET THIS STRAIGHT.

MARRIED AND SINGLE MOMS SPEND

EQUAL AMOUNTS OF TIME CARING FOR

CHILDREN.

THE SURVEY IS REFERRING TO OTHER

THINGS SUCH AS COOKING, LAUNDRY,

AND HOUSE CLEANING AND ONLY IN

HETERO SEXUAL MARRIAGES.

WHY?

RESEARCHERS SAY MOTHERS MARRIED

TO MEN TRY HARDER TO MEET OLD

FASHIONED GENDER EXPECTATIONS OF

PROVIDING HOME COOKED MALES,

CLEAN HOMES, AND CLEAN CLOTHES.

THE RESEARCHERS EVEN ADJUSTED

THEIR FINDINGS FOR DIFFERENCES

IN EMPLOYMENT, EDUCATION, RACE,

AND NUMBER OF CHILDREN, OR OTHER

EXTENDED FAMILY MEMBERS AT HOME.

THEY REPORT MARRIED WOMEN SPEND

AN AVERAGE OF JUST FEWER THAN

THREE HOURS DAILY ON HOUSEWORK

COMPARED TO JUST LESS THAN TWO

AND A HALF HOURS FOR UNMARRIED

WOMEN.

A DIFFERENCE OF ABOUT 32 MINUTES

EACH DAY.

RESEARCHERS CALL MARRIAGE A

GENDERED INSTITUTION.

WHAT DO MARRIED MOMS GIVE UP?

LEISURE TIME AND SLEEP.

>> I PRESUME YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT

BEING A NEW MOM.

DO YOU AGREE THAT MARRIED MOMS

IN HETERO SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS

AND VERY FORWARD ABOUT THIS IN

THE SURVEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO

WANT TO BE THE PERFECT MOM

WHEREAS SINGLE MOMS CAN DO IT

THEIR OWN WAY BECAUSE NOBODY IS

ELSE IS AROUND?

>> I DISAGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK MOMS WANT TO BE THE BEST

MOMS MEANING MAKING SURE THE

KIDS ARE READY FOR SCHOOL, TEETH

BRUSHED, BELLIES FULL.

I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE

DOES -- WANTING TO MAKE SURE

EVERYTHING IS DONE THE RIGHT

WAY, DONE MY WAY.

AND I DO WHEN SPEAKING WITH

OTHER NEW MOMS WE ALL SAY THE

SAME THING.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING

IS RUNNING THE WAY WE WANT IT TO

RUN.

BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK

THAT IT'S SOCIETIAL IMPOSED FROM

SOCIETY.

I THINK IT'S JUST MAYBE THE TYPE

A IN US.

>> I THINK THE PRESSURE TO

CONFORM TO A STEREOTYPE IS

STRONGER THAN OTHER ESPECIALLY

THE DATA SHOWING HOW THIS BEARS

OUT FOR WORKING MOMS AND

NONWORKING MOMS WHO ARE MARRIED

AND THAT THERE'S THIS PRESSURE

IF YOU'RE WORKING TOO THAT

YOU'RE NOT FITTING THE MOLD SO

I'M GOING TO GO HOME AND WORK

EXTRA HARD BECAUSE I'M WORKING

FROM 9:00 TO 5:00 AND I THINK

THAT DATA POINT IS VERY TELLING

IN THAT THE BACK LASH STILL TO

BE A FULL TIME WORKING MOM IN

TODAY'S WORLD IS STILL MET WITH

A LITTLE BIT OF SKEPTICISM.

>> SO WHAT'S THE ANSWER?

>> I THINK THE ANSWER IS YOU DO

WHAT WORKS FOR YOU.

AND THERE'S THIS CULTURE OF

MARRIAGE IS VERY MUCH BASED --

COUPLES HAVE TO COWHAT MAKES

SENSE FOR THEM.

WOMEN ARE DOING A LOT OF THE

CATCH UP BECAUSE OF THE STIGMAS.

>> I GLUE UP IN A HOUSEHOLD

WHERE MY MOTHER WAS VERY

CONSCIOUS OF IT, OF THE ROLES

AND VERY DEMANDING OF MY DAD

WHICH WAS VERY RADICAL IN PUERTO

RICO.

SUPER TRADITIONAL.

I DISAGREE WITH YOU.

IT'S TRADITION.

IT'S NOT MALICIOUS.

IT'S JUST TRADITION.

THE THING IS THAT IT'S PUTTING A

LOT OF STRESS IN WOMEN THAT FEEL

THEY HAVE TO BE LITTLE MISS

PERFECT.

I HAVE TO CLEAN AND COOK AND ALL

THESE THINGS AND ARE NOT DMANGD

OF MEN TO SHARE IN THE BURDEN.

SO I THINK THIS IS THE KEY HERE.

WHY WITH ALL THE AWARENESS THAT

WE HAVE THAT SURVEYS STILL SHOW

THAT THE WOMEN ARE CARRYING THE

BURDEN.

WHY ARE THEY NOT ASKING AND WHY

ARE THE GUYS NOT OFFERING?

>> BECAUSE THE POPULATION, THE

GENERAL POPULATION IS ONE THING

AND WHAT YOU SEE PORTRAYED IN

THE MEDIA IS QUITE ANOTHER.

DO YOU THINK -- DO YOU AGREE

WITH THEM THAT MARRIAGE IS A

GENDERED INSTITUTION?

IN OTHER WORDS IT'S MORE

ENTRAPPING IN TERMS OF MAKING

PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY THINK

TRADITION REQUIRES OF THEM THAN

BEING SINGLE?

>> IT CAN BE BUT I THINK IN MY

GENERATION I REMAIN COMPLETELY

ENCOURAGED BY THE FACT THAT I

SEE SO MANY MEN AND WOMEN

THROUGH FRIENDS AND EVEN

ACQUAINT TENSES TALK OPENLY

ABOUT REAPS. I KNOW I'M IN A

TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE WHERE

UNFORTUNATELY MY HUSBAND IS A

MAJOR BREADWINNER NOW BUT HE

SAYS IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE

BIG BUCKS, I WANT TO BE THE STAY

AT HOME DAD.

BUT HE MAKES IT POSSIBLE FOR ME.

CERTAINLY ROLES ARE BEING

CHALLENGED IN THESE NEW

GENERATIONS BUT WHAT I'M WORRIED

ABOUT I'M THE FOREVER OPTIMIST.

I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF

SOCIAL MEDIA ON MOTHERS WHETHER

THEY'RE STAY AT HOME OR WORKING.

IT'S BECAUSE OF --

>> IT'S THE AVAILABILITY OF

CREDIT AND NOW EVERYBODY HAS AN

iPHONE OR ANDROID THAT'S SUPER

COMPLEX AND THEY CAN SEE RIGHT

AT THEIR FINGERTIPS WHAT ANOTHER

MOM IS DOING.

SHE HAS A GREAT STROLLER.

SHE'S OUT TO DRINKS AND DINNER.

THE PICTURES DON'T TELL THE

WHOLE STORY.

EVERYBODY'S STRIVING FOR THIS

PERFECTION AND YOU MAY HAVE

MOTHERS THAT --

>> THAT'S NOT NEW.

TEN YEARS AGO WE DID A STORY

ABOUT SOMEBODY SURVEYED THE

AVERAGE INCOME OF FAMILIES ON

TELEVISION AND IT WAS 200 GRAND

A YEAR WHICH OF COURSE IS WAY

ABOVE THE AVERAGE INCOME OF THE

AVERAGE AMERICAN FAMILY AND SO

YOU -- IT MAY BE TRUE IN SOCIAL

MEDIA.

IT'S ALSO TRUE IN TELEVISION.

SO THIS IS NOT A NEW INFLUENCE.

>> THE AVAILABILITY OF CREDIT.

YOU CAN GO OUT WITH OUR AM

EX-AND GET THE SAME SHOES THAT

ANYBODY CAN HAVE.

>> I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS

IT'S NOT JUST SOME OTHER PERSON

ON TV.

IT'S MY FRIEND.

IT'S THE WOMAN IN THE MOMMY

CIRCLE.

THE MOM THAT PICKS UP THEIR

DAUGHTER AT SCHOOL AND WHAT

SHE'S POSTING.

I THINK THOUGH TO THE QUESTION

ABOUT HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS WILL,

FLEXIBILITY IN THE WORK PLACE I

THINK IS GOING TO BE A MAJOR

HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT SO WHEN YOU

CAN WORK FROM HOME ALL OF A

SUDDEN YOU KNOW MOMS AND DADS

CAN START TO DO A LOT MORE OF

THE CHORES AND SHARE THE CHORES

WHERE YOU DON'T FEEL THEY'RE

CRUNCHED TO GET IT DONE AT THE

BEGINNING AND END OF THE DAY AND

THAT STRESS LEVEL DECREASES.

WE HAVE POLLED MEN AND WOMEN AND

RESOUNDINGLY FOUND THAT THEY

WANT NOT JUST FLEXIBILITY IN THE

WORKFORCE AND IN WORK PLACE BUT

ALSO CHILD CARE AND HOW DO WE --

HOW DOES THE GOVERNMENT PLAY A

ROLE IN THIS BUT I THINK

FLEXIBILITY IS HUGE.

>> ALL RIGHT.

THANKS.

WE'RE OUT OF TIME ON THIS ONE.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES.

TRAVELING SOLO.

WOMEN ARE VISITING FOREIGN

COUNTRIES ALONE MORE OFTEN THAN

EVER THEY ARE FREQUENTLY

MOTIVATED BY A SENSE OF

ADVENTURE AND EXCITEMENT.

BUT THAT EXPERIENCE COMES WITH

RISK.

AND HARROWING TALES OF SURVIVING

VIOLENCE ABROAD.

>> I WAS ASSAULTED BY A ROMAN

CITIZEN AND IT WAS QUITE

PHYSICAL, THE ASSAULT.

HE WAS TRYING TO RAPE ME.

HE LOCKED ME INTO HIS APARTMENT.

EVEN THOUGH I HAD EXPRESSED A

NONDESIRE NOT ONLY TO NOT HAVE

SEX BUT TO END THE NIGHT

ULTIMATELY I WIND UP MAYBE SIX

HOURS AFTER MEETING HIM HANGING

OFF A SIX STORY BUILDING

FIGHTING HIM OFF AND THEN

ESCAPING.

SHE SAYS SHE HAD TO CLIMB ACROSS

ROOF TOPS AND DOWN SIX STORIES

TO ESCAPE HER ATTACKER.

>> IT WAS 2:00 OR 3:00 IN THE

MORNING WHEN I GOT BACK TO THE

HOTEL.

THE EMBASSY DOESN'T OPEN UNTIL

8:00 OR 9:00 SO YOU JUST HAVE TO

SIT THERE AND WAIT.

WHICH WAS HARD FOR ME BECAUSE MY

ASSAILANT KNEW WHERE I WAS

STAYING SO I FELT UNSAFE FOR

THOSE FIVE OR SIX HOURS.

I HAD THE POLICE IN MY ROOM

SCREAMING AT ME TO GO WITH THEM

FOR AN INTERVIEW BUT I DIDN'T

HAVE AN INTERPRETER.

SO NOW I HAVE THE POLICE YELLING

AT ME IN MY ROOM AT 3:00 IN THE

MORNING, I DON'T HAVE

INTERPRETERS.

>> HER FRUSTRATION WITH THE LACK

OF SERVICES FOR VICTIMS HAS BEEN

ECHOED BY OTHER SURVIVORS AND

ADVOCATES.

PATHWAYS' MISSION IS TO HELP

PROVIDE THEM.

>> WE WILL GIVE THEM VOUCHERS TO

MOVE TO A NEW HOTEL.

WE'LL GET THEM ARRANGEMENTS AND

UBER TO GET THEM TO A PLACE TO

GET A RAPE KIT OR HOSPITAL

VISIT.

WE'LL INTERACT WITH THE POLICE.

PROVIDE TRANSLATION SERVICES.

EVERYTHING THAT THEY WOULD NEED

TO NAVIGATE THOSE SYSTEMS.

>> BUT JUST HOW RISKY IS IT TO

TRAVEL ALONE?

THE TRUTH IS NO ONE QUITE KNOWS.

>> WE KNOW THAT WOMEN

DISPROPORTIONATELY FACE VIOLENCE

IN PUBLIC SPACES MEN DON'T FACE.

WE SAW A RISE IN SOLO FEMALE

TRAVEL IN GENERAL BUT ALSO NO

STRAY AT THISESICS AVAILABLE TO

UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEANS FOR

WOMEN WHO TRAVEL ABROAD.

WE DID NOT SEE FIGURES OUT THERE

FOR NUMBERS OF ATTACKS.

AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS

QUITE CONCERNING TO US.

>> YOU KIND OF GREW OUT OF

SOMETHING WE WERE SEEING ALMOST

DAILY TOWARDS TEND OF THE YEAR

LAST YEAR.

THESE STORIES OF WOMEN WHO OFTEN

WERE QUITE YOUNG, WESTERN WOMEN,

TRAVELING ALONE AND HAD BEEN

ATTACKED OR IN SOME CASES

KILLED.

>> SHE SAYS THE ARTICLE WASN'T

MEANT TO SCARE FEMALE TRAVELLERS

BUT TO HELP THEM PREPARE TO

MANAGE THE RISK.

>> SO WHETHER THAT'S LEARNING

SELF-DEFENSE SO YOU FEEL MORE

PREPARED IN THESE PUBLIC SPACES

WHERE YOU MIGHT BE THREATENED OR

WHETHER THAT IS CARRYING A GPS

TRACKER SO THAT YOUR FRIENDS AND

FAMILY CAN KNOW WHERE YOU ARE AT

ALL TIMES OR WHETHER THAT'S

CHOOSING A HOLE TELL OR AIR B&B

THAT HAS SECURITY FEATURES.

>> BUT NO MATTER HOW WELL

PREPARE AID WOMAN IS THERE'S NO

GUARANTEE AGAINST BEING

ATTACKED.

>> ONE THING THAT WE WANTED TO

EMPHASIZE WITH THIS STORY AS

WELL IS UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS

IS PART OF A BROADER FABRIC OF

VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN.

THIS IS JUST A THREAD IN THAT

BROADER FABRIC.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE

ATTACKS ON FEMALE TRAVELLERS,

WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS

GENDER BASED VIOLENCE AND HOW

NORMS AND SOME OF THE CULTURAL

ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE MAKE CAN

ACTUALLY FACTOR INTO THIS TYPE

OF VIOLENCE.

>> SO MORE AND MORE WOMEN ARE

TRAVELING ABROAD ALONE BUT

SHOULDN'T THE TREND BE IN THE

OTHER DIRECTION?

JOIN A GROUP IF YOU WANT TO STAY

SAFE?

>> WELL, THIS IS A VERY

IMPORTANT ISSUE AND I'M GLAD

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE

INCREASING NUMBER OF WOMEN ARE

TRAVELING ALONE.

THE FACT IS THAT MOST WOMEN

SURVIVE AND DON'T HAVE THESE

EXPERIENCES.

WE'RE VERY AWARE WHEN WE TRAVEL.

BUT IT HAPPENS AND I THINK

PEOPLE NEED TO BE PREPARED.

IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE IS

THE SAFETY ISSUE.

KNOW HOW TO GET READY.

YOU KNOW --

>> SAFETY AND LANGUAGE.

>> SAFETY, LANGUAGE.

>> YOU COULD GETTED ATTACKED IN

YOUR HOMETOWN AND IT'S NOT LIKE

WE LIVE IN A VIOLENCE FREE

COUNTRY OURSELVES BUT AT LEAST

YOU KNOW THE COPS.

YOU'RE IN THE SAME LANGUAGE.

ET CETERA.

>> THIS IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT

YOU'RE HIGHLIGHTING WHICH IS

IMPORTANT IT'S GIVING TIPS FOR

WOMEN THAT ARE TRAVELING BY

THEMSELVES.

AS YOU KNOW I DO INTERNATIONAL

WORK.

I TRAVEL A LOT.

A LOT BY MYSELF AT LEAST TO GET

THERE AND GET TO SOME OF THE

MEETINGS THAT I GO TO.

I'M SO AWARE OF HOW I DO THINGS,

VERY AWARE OF SAFETY BUT THINGS

CAN HAPPEN BECAUSE SOME

COUNTRIES ARE VERY UNSAFE.

IT'S UNSAFE FOR THE WOMEN OF

THESE COUNTRIES AND EVEN MORE

FOR A FOREIGNER.

>> I THINK EVERY COUNTRY CAN BE

UNSAFE.

IT'S JUST ABOUT KNOWING YOUR

SURROUNDINGS.

I'VE TRAVELED EXTENSIVELY ALONE

PRIOR TO MEETING MY HUSBAND AND

I WAS HAPPY TO DO SO.

WHEN I SAW MEN HIKING ALONE I

GREW UP IN WILD WONDERFUL WEST

VIRGINIA I THOUGHT I COULD DO

ANYTHING FROM GOING TO A CITY TO

THE MOUNTAINS.

I WAS NEVER SCARED BUT NOW IN MY

MID-30S, I HAVE TWO DAUGHTERS

NOW TOO.

I WAS JUST RECENTLY ON A TRIP

WHERE I WAS GOING TO BE ALONE

FOR A PERIOD OF TIME IN A

FOREIGN COUNTRY AND I REMEMBER

GETTING READY FOR IT AND BEING

VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT I WORE

AND HOW REALLY CLOSE FITTING MY

DRESS WAS.

AND JUST HOW I WAS GOING TO

OPERATE AND I JUST THOUGHT TO

MYSELF TEN YEARS BACK I WOULD

NOT HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT.

AND I DID NOT DRINK ANY DRINKS

BECAUSE I JUST THOUGHT WHAT IF

SOMEBODY TOUCHES THAT DRINK.

SO IT'S ABOUT BEING AWARE.

IT'S INCUMBENT UPON WOMEN.

I HAD A TERRIBLE EXPERIENCE IN

INDIA ON AN INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT

TO INDIA WHERE A MAN WAS

PLEASURING HIMSELF ACROSS THE

AISLE FROM ME.

>> YOU DIDN'T CALL THE FLIGHT

ATTENDANT?

>> I DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT WAS

HAPPENING FOR 30 MINUTES.

WHEN I REALIZED, I FELT SO

VIOLATED AND ANGRY I WENT TO THE

STEWARDSES AND THEY TOOK THEIR

TIME TO MOVE ME.

ABOUT 20 MINUTES.

I REMEMBER FEELING SO WEIRDED

OUT AND SCARED IN THOSE MINUTES

AND COULDN'T BELIEVE.

I'M STILL HAVING A MOMENT WHERE

I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT HAPPENED TO

ME TO KNOW THAT THERE'S AN

ORGANIZATION WHERE OTHER WOMEN

MIGHT HAVE EXPERIENCED SOMETHING

I THINK COULD HAVE GIVEN ME SOME

COMFORT BUT I WAS FURIOUS AT THE

FLIGHT ATTENDANTS.

>> AT THAT POINT WHEN YOU'RE

FLYING IT'S ON THE AIRLINE I

WOULD THINK.

>> THEY WERE WOMEN AND THEY

COULD NOT EVEN --

>> WHAT THIS RAISES FOR ME AS

SOMEBODY IN A COUNTRY WHERE

PEOPLE OF COLOR, WOMEN OF COLOR

ARE TOO ALSO WE POLICE OURSELVES

AND HOW WE MOVE AROUND IN SAFETY

AND COMMUNITIES.

I THINK LOTS OF COHORTS AND

FRIENDS THAT I HAVE WHO ARE

WOMEN OF COLOR TRAVELING TAKE

THAT APPROACH TO WHERE WE DON'T

TRAVEL IN OUR BACKYARDS

SOMETIMES BY OURSELVES BECAUSE

WE'RE AFRAID OF BEING, YOU KNOW,

ATTACKED OR SINGLED OUT OR THERE

ARE CERTAIN PARTS OF THE COUNTRY

THAT WOMEN OF COLOR DON'T TRAVEL

TO FOR THAT REASON.

THERE'S AN APPROACH AND ALWAYS

HAS BEEN FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR IN

PARTICULAR IN MOVING INTO

UNKNOWN SPACES.

>> SO YOU THINK THEY'RE SAFER?

WOMEN OF COLOR MAY BE SAFER?

>> I THINK THERE'S A PRIVILEGE

TO FREE MOVEMENT IN THIS COUNTRY

THAT WHITE PEOPLE HAVE THAT

PEOPLE OF COLOR DO NOT HAVE AND

TRAVELING ABROAD MYSELF TO SOUTH

ASIA WHEN I WAS YOUNGER WAS ONE

OF THE THINGS THAT I DID FIRST

WAS TO SAY WHAT IS IT LIKE FOR A

BLACK PERSON TRAVELING IN SOUTH

AN ATHAT WHERE THERE'S NO BLACK

PEOPLE AND THERE WERE RESOURCES

AND WEBSITES AND BOOKS IN SOME

CASES ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT BUT

THE EXPECTATION FOR SOME OF US

IS THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE

AN ASSUMPTION THAT I HAVE THE

PRIVILEGE TO GO AS I FREE WHERE

I WANT TO GO FIRST AND FOREMOST

AS A PERSON OF COLOR AND THEN

THE DEAL IS RIGHT NOW WE LIVE IN

A SOCIETY WHERE WOMEN HAVE TO

THINK TWICE ABOUT EVEN WALKING

TO OUR CARS AFTER WORK.

THOSE THINGS COME TO MIND FOR ME

FOR SURE.

>> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU ALL.

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