FOUNDATION.

 

>> Bonnie: THIS WEEK ON TO THE

 

CONTRARY: FIRST, ABORTION RATES

 

ARE DOWN, BUT THE RATE OF

 

SELF-INDUCED ABORTIONS IS UP.

 

THEN, THE DEBATE OVER PRONOUNS:

 

SHOULD THEY BE GENDER NEUTRAL?

 

BEHIND THE HEADLINES: WOMEN,

 

GIRLS AND FINANCIAL LITERACY.

 

HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE. WELCOME

 

TO bO THE CONTRARY,b

DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL A

TRENDS FROM DIVERSE

 

PERSPECTIVES. UP FIRST,

 

SELF-INDUCED ABORTIONS .

 

THE OVERALL RATE OF ABORTIONS

 

IN THE UNITED STATES IS DOWN,

 

BUT MORE WOMEN ARE

 

SELF-INDUCING ABORTIONS. THOSE

 

ARE THE MAJOR FINDINGS FROM A

 

NEW REPORT PUBLISHED BY THE

 

GUTTMACHER INSTITUTE. EIGHTEEN

 

PERCENT OF TREATMENT CENTERS

 

REPORTED SEEING A PATIENT AFTER

 

AN ATTEMPTED SELF-INDUCED

 

ABORTION, UP FROM 12% THREE

 

YEARS EARLIER. MEANWHILE, THE

 

ABORTION RATE DROPPED)

 

CONTINUING A LONG-STANDING

 

TREND. HUNDREDS OF NEW ABORTION

 

RESTRICTIONS BY STATES COULD

 

HAVE PLAYED A MINOR ROLE IN

 

THIS DROP, BUT THEY ARE NOT

 

SUSPECTED TO BE THE MAIN

 

DRIVER. THE REPORT CITES THE

 

MAIN REASON FOR THE DROP IS A

 

DROP IN BIRTH AND PREGNANCIES

 

OVERALL. YET, THESE

 

RESTRICTIONS AND ANXIETY OVER

 

HOW DONALD TRUMP'S SUPREME

 

COURT PICKS WILL VOTE ON

 

ABORTION RIGHTS HAVE LED MORE

 

WOMEN TO SEEK ALTERNATIVES TO

 

GOING TO A DOCTOR. SOME WOMEN'S

 

RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS ARE

 

HELPING WOMEN GET MORE

 

INFORMATION ON INDUCING THEIR

 

OWN ABORTIONS. EXPERTS SAY

 

UNDER OPTIMAL CONDITIONS, SUCH

 

A PROCEDURE IS GENERALLY SAFE.

 

COMPLICATIONS CAN CARRY RISKS

 

FOR SOME WOMEN. SO ANN STONE,

 

WHAT DO THESE TRENDS TELL US

 

ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH

 

ABORTION IN AMERICANS' THOUGHTS

 

THESE DAYS?

 

>> SOMETHING WE'VE TRIED TO

 

EXPLAIN ON MY FRIENDS ON THE

 

RIGHT IS THE GENIE IS OUT OF

 

THE BOTTLE.

 

FIRST THE RIGHT, WE MENTIONED,

 

THAT THE RATE OF ABORTION IS

 

DOWN BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF

 

WOMEN OF CHILDBEARING AGE IS

 

WAY DOWN AS WELLE HEAR IT'S

 

AN ENTIRE MOVEMENT IN THE

 

COUNTRY TO TEACH WOMEN HOW TO

 

SELF INDUCE

 

IN THE EVENT ROE V WADE GETS

 

OVERTURNED.

 

>> I THINK IT'S TERRIFYING AND

 

IT DEMONSTRATES THAT PEOPLE

 

DON'T FEEL LIKE -- ACCESS TO

 

ABORTION IS GETTING MORE AND

 

MORE RESTRICTIVE AND THEY DON'T

 

FEEL LIKE THEY CAN GO TO

 

MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS FOR HELP.

 

>> ONLY LOOK AT THE ACTUAL

 

STATISTICS IN THE GOT BUNKER

 

REPORT, THE OVERWHELMING FACTOR

 

DRIVING THIS DECREASE HAS TO DO

 

WITH AN INCREASE IN ACCESS TO

 

CONTRACEPTION WHICH, YES, WE

 

CAN THANK THE CONTRACEPTION

 

MANDATE AND OBAMACARE, BUT

 

LARGE PARTS BECAUSE WOMEN ARE

 

TURNING TOWARDS LONG-ACTING

 

REVERSIBLE FORMS OF

 

CONTRACEPTION SUCH AS HORMONAL

 

COPPER IUD WHICH IS UNDER 1

 

PERCENT FAILURE RATE IN

 

PRACTICE.

 

>> I THINK IT'S TERRIFYING TOO

 

WHAT'S HAPPENING TO A WOMAN'S

 

RIGHT TO HAVE AN ACCESS TO SAFE

 

AND LEGAL ABORTION.

 

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT DOING YOUR

 

OWN SELF INDUCED ABORTION AND

 

SELF DIAGNOSING IS AS SICK

 

SAFE.

 

HAVING SPENT MY ENTIRE ADULT

 

LIFE ON PLANNED PARENTHOOD

 

LOCAL BOARD, STATE BOARDS AND

 

ON THE NATIONAL BOARD, I KNOW

 

HOW DIFFICULT IT IS FOR WOMEN

 

WHO DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO OUR

 

CLINICS.

 

>> YOU SAY TERRIFYING.

 

>> I JUST THINK THAT -- I MEAN,

 

ABORTION HAS BECOME SO

 

POLITICIZED IN AMERICA THAT

 

IT'S NO LONGER SEEN AS A PART

 

OF CONFERENCE OF REPRODUCTIVE

 

HEALTH CARE FOR WOMEN.

 

AND YOU HAVE TO TRUST WOMEN

 

WITH DECISIONS ABOUT OUR

 

BODIES.

 

I THINK THE FACT WE ARE GOING

 

BACK TO, YOU KNOW, TIME IN THE

 

'60s WHEN WOMEN USE TO DO THIS,

 

NOW IT'S 2019.

 

WE SHOULD BE MAKING PROGRESS ON

 

WOMEN'S RIGHTS NOT GOING

 

BACKWARDS.

 

>> ACTUALLY, MY MOTHER DID IN

 

THE LATE 50s, EARLY '60s AND

 

NOT WITH THE CHEMICAL, WITH A

 

KNITTING NEEDLE WHICH IS ALL

 

THEY HAD BACK THEN.

 

>> BUT TWO POINTS: THE POINT

 

MADE ABOUT CONTRACEPTION,

 

GUTTMACHER IN THE PAST HAS

 

SHOWN 60 PERCENT, SIX AND ZERO,

 

PERCENT OF THE FAILURES DUE TO

 

CONTRACEPTION.

 

AS CONTRACEPTION GETS IMPROVED,

 

ABORTION RATES WILL GO DOWN,

 

DOWN, DOWN.

 

I WILL ALSO TELL YOU ROE WILL

 

NOT BE REVERSED.

 

>> ALSO IF YOU LOOK AT THE

 

BREAKDOWN OF THE DECREASES PER

 

REGION, ABORTION DECREASE JUST

 

AS MUCH, MORE IN CALIFORNIA,

 

THEN THEY DID IN THE SOUTH.

 

THE PUBLIC 16 PERCENT IN THE

 

PAST 15 YEARS.

 

IT IS A CHANGE IN CULTURE, A

 

BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF

 

CONTRACEPTION WORKS IN BETTER

 

APPRECIATION FOR THE VALUE OF

 

HUMAN LIFEND THAT'S A GOOD

 

THING.

 

IT'S A GOOD --

 

[CROSS TALK]

 

>> WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE

 

SELF INDUCING ABORTIONS AND

 

RISKING DEATH?

 

>> THE NUMBER OF WOMEN WHO ARE

 

STILL SELF INDUCING ABORTIONS,

 

IT IS SO STATISTICALLY

 

INSIGNIFICANT IN RELATION TO

 

THE AMOUNT OF WOMEN WHO ARE NOT

 

GETTING ABORTIONS BECAUSE --

 

[CROSS TALK]

 

>> INSTITUTE WE ARE TALKING

 

ABOUT, TALKING INCREASE IN

 

TREND.

 

>> YES.

 

ONLY IN A SMALL NUMBER OF

 

PEOPLE.

 

>> ALSO, DOES NOT MATTER FOR V

 

WADE GETS OVERTURNED OR NOT .

 

IF YOU COME FROM A STATE LIKE I

 

DO IN MISSOURI, BASICALLY WE

 

HAVE ONE ABORTION CLINIC LEFT

 

AND THE GOVERNOR TRIED TO SHUT

 

THAT DOWN.COURTS ARE NOW

 

HOLDING IT OPEN.

 

BASICALLY, YOU WIPE OUT ROE V

 

WADE IT IS HORRIFYING TO SAY,

 

OH, I HAVE TO GO TO ILLINOIS TO

 

GET A BIT IN ABORTION OR KANSAS

 

TO GET AN ABORTION.

 

THAT HURTS POOR WOMEN.

 

ALSO, THE SELF DIAGNOSING, YOU

 

DON'T KNOW OF ANY TOPICAL

 

PREGNANCY.

 

WERE YOU DOING --

 

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

 

>> ALSO, THANK YOU FOR THE

 

CONTEXT, BUT ONE WOMAN DOING

 

THIS TO HERSELF, ONE WOMAN TOO

 

MANY.

 

EVERYONE FIVE COUNTS.

 

>> EVEN WITH THE -- EVEN

 

CHEMICALLY WHICH IS WITH THE

 

MIFEPRISTONE WHICH IS PRETTY

 

SAFE

 

[CROSS TALK]

 

>> OF PUT AN PER COMPARISON TO

 

GIVING YOURSELF AN ABORTION

 

WITH A NEEDLE IS, I MEAN --

 

>> NO WOMEN ARE DOING THAT

 

ANYMORE.

 

>> I THINK OF THE LINES, THE

 

HECTOR -- THE SYMPTOMS PHYSICAL

 

ASSAULTS, CERTAINLY, THE VERBAL

 

ASSAULTS, THE PROTESTS THAT

 

THIS ADMINISTRATION -- I MEAN,

 

IT'S MUCH OF THOSE -- MANY

 

CLINICS IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN

 

PROTECTED BY THE JUSTICE

 

DEPARTMENT SENDING OUT

 

MARSHALS.

 

THIS JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS NOT

 

SENDING OUT ANY MARSHALS.

 

>> THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHAT

 

SELF-INDUCED HAS GONE UP TOO,

 

BECAUSE WOMEN ARE FREE TO GO TO

 

CLINICS.

 

>> AS DEANNA SAID, THAT'S A

 

TINY PERCENTAGE OF WHAT'S GOING

 

ON HERE THAN WHY DON'T -- WIRE

 

AND PRO-CHOICE REPUBLICANS

 

ASKING THIS ADMINISTRATION TO

 

ENFORCE THE LAWS, WHICH IS YOU

 

CAN'T COME WITHIN SO MANY FEET

 

OF SOMEBODY TRYING TO ACCESS

 

THE CLINIC?

 

>> RIGHT.

 

IT PRESUMES WE ARE NOT, BECAUSE

 

WE ARE.

 

WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT OTHER

 

ALTERNATIVES FOR THE WOMEN AS

 

WELL.

 

THE PROBLEM IS YOU HAVE THINGS

 

-- TALK ABOUT THE PROTESTS,

 

LOOK AT THE DOCTORS THAT HAVE

 

BEEN SHOT LIKE DR. TAILORED

 

KILLED IN HIS CHURCH WHILE HE'S

 

USHERING.

 

>> I WANT TO SAY A COUPLE

 

THINGS.

 

ONE, NOT HAPPENING IN ST. LOUIS

 

AND WOMEN WERE NOT BEING

 

PROTECTED AS THEY GO TO THE

 

ABORTION CLINIC THERE.

 

I DRIVE BY THAT EVERY DAY.

 

NUMBER TWO, THE ARTICLE ALSO

 

TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT

 

THERE ARE ALL THESE GOOGLE

 

SEARCHES, THOUSANDS AND

 

THOUSANDS OF THEM , WOMEN

 

LOOKING UP COAT HANGERS AND

 

ABORTIONS.

 

>> 18 PERCENT OF ALL

 

PREGNANCIES IN THIS COUNTRY AND

 

IN ABORTION.

 

>> LET HER FINISH.

 

>> SO WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW

 

IS YOU HAVE GENERATIONS OF

 

WOMEN THAT THOUGHT THEY COULD

 

GO TO DOCTORS AND CLINICS AND

 

HAVE A SAFE, LEGAL ABORTION .

 

NOW THEY ARE SAYING WHERE DO I

 

GO?

 

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO?

 

THEY'RE GOING ON THE INTERNET

 

AND WE SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT

 

IT WITH THE SPELL, THAT BILL,

 

YOU CAN DO THAT.

 

THERE ARE TONS OF WOMEN OUT

 

THERE THAT DON'T KNOW ABOUT

 

THAT.

 

THEY ARE IN A BRAVE, NEW WORLD.

 

>> ONLY THAT, IT NEVER CEASES

 

TO AMAZE ME HOW MANY

 

PARTICULARLY YOUNG WOMEN DON'T

 

EVEN KNOW WHEN THEY ARE --

 

UNTIL THEY ARE 3 AND 4 MONTHS

 

PREGNANT.

 

SHOULDN'T THERE BE -- AND THAT,

 

OF COURSE, A LOT OF THAT YOU

 

COULD PUT ON THE RELIGIOUS

 

RIGHT FOR ONLY ALLOWING WHERE

 

THEY HAVE THE POLITICAL POWER

 

TO MAKE THAT DECISION, ONLY

 

ALLOWING ABSTINENCE, ONLY SEX

 

EDUCATION WHICH IS LIKE NO SEX.

 

>> THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

 

TRYING TO PUSH IN THE SENATE

 

FOR CONTRACEPTION WITH

 

DEREGULATION TO MAKE IT THE

 

MILLIONS OF WOMEN WHO ARE STILL

 

NOT COVERED BY HEALTH

 

INSURANCE.

 

THAT THEY CAN OBTAIN

 

OVER-THE-COUNTER BOTH BIRTH

 

CONTROL.

 

THAT'S A BILL PROPOSED BY CORY

 

GARDNER JONI ERNST AND THAT'S

 

IT BILL THE DEMOCRATS,

 

PARTICULARLY ONCE LOBBIED BY

 

PLANETARY PARENTHOOD, HAVE

 

CONTINUED TO PUSH BACK AGAINST

 

PICTURES BEFORE CONSUMPTION IS

 

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THIS

 

COUNTRY HAS.

 

>> ABSOLUTELY, THAT'S VERY,

 

VERY TRUE.

 

THE ONLY WAY THAT , ONCE AGO, THE

 

REPUBLICANS ARE PULLING AWAY

 

MONEY FROM PLANNED PARENTHOOD

 

THAT GIVES BIRTH --

 

>> TO ALLOCATE TO OTHER TITLE X

 

FACILITIES.

 

[CROSS TALK]

 

>> TITLE X FACILITIES LIKE

 

ANTIABORTION CLINICS -- >

 

WERE THE ONES THAT OFFER

 

CONTRACEPTION.

 

>> NO.

 

THE ONES THAT ARE RUN BY THE

 

CHURCH TO AN OFFER ANY.

 

>> AND EVERYONE DOLLARS SPENT

 

ON ANY .

 

>> READ BACK SEVEN DOLLARS IN

 

SAVINGS --

 

>> WAIT A SECOND, YOU ARE NOT

 

TALKING ABOUT -- SHE WERE NOT

 

INCLUDING -- I'M NOT SURE LATER

 

TITLE X TO BE HONEST.

 

BUT THE RELIGIOUS CENTERS

 

OPPOSES ABORTION CLINICS, BUT

 

THEY ARE PROBABLY WAY MORE --

 

WAIT A MINUTE.

 

THERE ARE WAY MORE OF THEM NOW

 

AND THEN THERE ARE ACTUAL

 

WOMEN'S HEALTH CLINICS, SO --

 

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE IT

 

OUT UNDER ANY --

 

>>

 

[CROSS TALK]

 

>> I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW WAS

 

READING AN ARTICLE --

 

[CROSS TALK]

 

>> AND PRETTY SURE UNDER BUSH,

 

THEY STARTED TO GET FEDERAL

 

FUNDING .

 

>> EXCUSE ME IF I MAY.

 

IT'S NOT JUST CLINICS.

 

YOU CAN GO TO A DOCTOR THAT ARE

 

NOT UNDER GAG RULES.

 

ANOTHER THING THAT SHOULD

 

HAPPEN IS 1-800-DOCTORS OUGHT

 

TO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER

 

OR NOT THAT DOCTOR IS WILLING

 

TO CANCEL ON ABORTION.

 

I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY

 

USEFUL.

 

>> MAKE HIM OR HERSELF A

 

TARGET?

 

YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE IDENTIFIED

 

-- ELECTRIFY TO IDENTIFY

 

MYSELF AS.

 

>> ALL THE LOONEY TUNES OUT

 

THERE --

 

>> THEY FIND OUT ANYWAY,

 

WHETHER IT'S ON 1-800-DOCTORS

 

ARE NOT.

 

YOU SEE PROTESTERS IN FRONT OF

 

THESE APARTMENT BUILDINGS WITH

 

DOCTORS IN AND YOU ARE SHOCKED

 

THAT THEY FOUND OUT THE DOCTORS

 

X OR Y. THE POINT IS TO PROVIDE

 

INFO THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING

 

FOR.

 

>> Bonnie: LET US KNOW WHAT

 

YOU THINK. PLEASE FOLLOW ME ON

 

TWITTER @BONNIEERBE.

 

FROM ABORTIONS TO GENDER AND

 

GRAMMAR. GRAMMY AWARD-WINNING

 

SINGER SAM SMITH RECENTLY

 

REVEALED HE IS GENDER

 

NONBINARY, OR RATHER THAT THEY

 

ARE GENDER NON-BINARY AND WOULD

 

PREFER TO BE REFERRED TO END

 

THE PLURAL THIRD-PERSON INSTEAD

 

OF IN THE GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT

 

FIRST PERSON SINGULAR. THIS IS

 

BUT THE LATEST TWIST IN THE

 

ATTEMPT BY SOME MEMBERS OF THE

 

LGBTQ COMMUNITY TO BE REFERRED

 

TO IN PLURAL AND NOT AS HE OR

 

SHE. THE ISSUE SETS UP ALL

 

KINDS OF QUESTIONS, FIRST AS TO

 

WHETHER ALL MEMBERS OF THE

 

COMMUNITY AGREE THIS IS THE WAY

 

FORWARD AND IF NOT, HOW TO KEEP

 

TRACK OF HOW EACH PERSON WISHES

 

TO BE IDENTIFIED. THEN THERE'S

 

THE QUESTION OF CHANGING

 

GRAMMAR RULES IN GRADE SCHOOL,

 

SOMETHING WHICH OPPONENTS OF

 

GAY RIGHTS ARE QUITE LIKELY TO

 

CHALLENGE.

 

>> Bonnie: SO THIS USE OF THE

 

PLURAL THIRD PERSON PLURAL

 

INSTEAD OF THE FIRST PERSON

 

SINGULAR, GOOD IDEA OR BAD?

 

>> YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE THIS

 

IS A COMMUNITY THAT'S EDUCATING

 

US.

 

AND I THINK IT'S AN EDUCATION

 

AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE

 

PUTTING FORWARD.

 

YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK I'M IN

 

A POSITION TO BE LIKE,

 

ACTUALLY, IF YOU WANT TO BE

 

CALLED AT THEN THAT'S TOO

 

CONFUSING FOR ME AND

 

INCONVENIENT.

 

SO I APPROACH THIS AND DO IT AS

 

AN EDUCATION.

 

>> THE SUBJECT MAKES ME SO SAD.

 

MY DEAREST FRIEND IN THE

 

WORLD WAS A GAY MALE WHO DIED

 

OF AIDS.

 

I CAN ONLY THINK OF WHAT HE

 

WOULD SAY.

 

HE WOULD THINK IT WAS

 

RIDICULOUS THAT THERE ONLY TWO

 

SEXES.

 

YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW.

 

I GUESS I DON'T CARE AS MUCH.

 

I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE PEOPLE

 

FIRED IF THEY MISUSE A PRONOUN.

 

IF THIS REALLY IS THAT

 

IMPORTANT TO THEM, UNWILLING TO

 

HONOR THEM THAT WAY , BUT,

 

AGAIN, PEOPLE SHOULD NOT HAVE

 

LEGAL CONSEQUENCES IF THEY

 

MISUSE A PRONOUN.

 

>> YEAH. I KIND OF FEEL THE

 

SAME WAY THAT YOU DO AND THAT

 

YOU DO.

 

I'M FLUENT ON THIS THINK WE

 

CAN ALWAYS ADJUST.

 

LANGUAGE IS ALWAYS EVOLVING.

 

IT'S NOT A STAGNANT THING.

 

IF WE CAN USE THE DAY AND OTHER

 

TERMS AND I CAN SAY THEY LEFT

 

THEIR HOME AS AN INDIVIDUAL

 

LEFT THEIR PHONE THERE, THEN I

 

DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.

 

I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD BE

 

FIRED.

 

BUT AS TIME EVOLVES AND

 

LANGUAGE EVOLVES, WE WILL SEE

 

WHAT HAPPENS.

 

>> AND PRETTY ATTITUDINAL THE

 

LIBERTARIAN ILLNESS IN THE

 

SENSE THAT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO

 

IDENTIFY AS A PIECE OF JELL-O,

 

I DON'T CARE.

 

IT'S UP TO YOU TO DEFINE THE

 

TERMS OF HOW YOU WANT TO BE

 

CALLED, HOW YOU IDENTIFY AND

 

WHAT NOT.

 

BUT I THINK IT'S STRANGE HOW

 

THE LGBT MOVEMENT HAS EVOLVED

 

FROM REALLY CARING ABOUT YOUR

 

RIGHT TO EXIST ON EITHER SIDE

 

OF THE GENDER BINARY TO

 

IGNORING ITS EXISTENCE AT ALL.

 

FROM SOCIAL PERSPECTIVE, I

 

DON'T CARE TOO MUCH BECAUSE IT

 

DOES NOT AFFECT ME HOW OTHER

 

PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE THEIR LIVES

 

BUT IT BECOMES A PROBLEM WHEN

 

WE START ACTING AS THOUGH

 

SCIENTIFIC GENDER BINARY DOES

 

NOT EXIST.

 

THESE ARE PROBLEMS THAT WE

 

DON'T NECESSARILY WANT THIS

 

LEVEL OF WOKENESS APPROACHING

 

BIOLOGICAL SCIENCES AND THE

 

MEDICAL SCIENCES.

 

I THINK THERE WAS A WAY FOR US

 

TO AFFIRM THAT YOU HAVE A RIGHT

 

TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF AS YOU

 

WANT IN YOUR DESERVING OF HUMAN

 

DIGNITY AND RESPECT AND ALSO

 

NOT PUNISHING PEOPLE WHO DON'T

 

NECESSARILY REMEMBER TO USE A

 

PLURAL PRONOUN TO REFER TO A

 

SINGULAR PERSON.

 

>> YOU KNOW, YOU REFER TO

 

GETTING FIRED FOR MISUSING A

 

PRONOUN POINT I ASSUME YOU'RE

 

TALKING ABOUT CALLING A LGBTQ

 

PERSON SHE OR HE WHEN THAT

 

PERSON WOULD PREFER THEY.

 

THAT'S ACTUALLY THE MISUSE, THE

 

IMPROPER GRAMMATICALLY USED --

 

>> I'M SAYING IN GENERAL I

 

DON'T WANT PEOPLE FIRED FOR

 

THAT KIND OF STUFF --

 

>> BUT LET ME, BECAUSE YOU AND

 

I BOTH GO BACK SO FAR, WHEN

 

GLORIA STEINEM CAME OUT WITH

 

MS. MAGAZINE, THE WOMEN'S

 

MOVEMENT CREATED A NEW WORD,

 

NOT DISTORT THE ALREADY LONG

 

TIME MEANING OF THE GRAMMAR

 

THAT HAS BEEN PART OF THE

 

ENGLISH LANGUAGE FOR CENTURIES.

 

THAT IS WHERE I THINK -- THAT'S

 

WHY THIS IS SO CONTROVERSIAL .

 

MS. WAS NOT CONTROVERSIAL AT

 

ALL, BECAUSE NO ONE --

 

>> IT WAS.

 

MAYBE NOT IN YOUR CIRCLE, BUT,

 

YEAH, IT WAS.

 

IT TOOK A LONG TIME BEFORE

 

CONSERVATIVE WOMEN COULD USE

 

THAT AND GET AWAY WITH IT.

 

>> BUT THERE WAS MEDIA COVERAGE

 

LIKE IF THERE IS EVIDENCE ABOUT

 

HOW HORRIBLE.

 

>> MAYBE NOT THE DRUMBEAT BUT

 

MY CIRCLE IS PRETTY INTENSE.

 

THE ONLY PERSON AT THE TABLE

 

WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS

 

HERMAPHRODITE, SOMEONE WHO HAS

 

BOTH, AND EVEN THEY HAVE TO

 

CHOOSE.

 

YOU NO ONE TOOAGO FROM

 

SISTER, SHE HAD TO CHOOSE

 

FEMALE.

 

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CASES.

 

>> DOCTORS DID BECAUSE IT WAS

 

EASIER TO MAKE A CHILD OF

 

EITHER -- OR WITH BITS AND

 

PIECES OF --

 

>> IF THEY HAD A VAGINA.

 

>> RIGHT, TO A GIRL.

 

>> SO THERE ARE LEGITIMATE

 

SCIENTIFIC REASONS AT TIMES YOU

 

HAVE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE

 

BINARY.

 

OVERALL, I JUST THINK IN SOME

 

AREAS, IT'S GOTTEN OUT OF

 

CONTROL WHERE PEOPLE ARE LOSING

 

THEIR JOBS OR NOT EVEN JUST

 

BEING FIRED, BUT BEING DRUMMED

 

OUT OF WERE BEING SHUNNED.

 

>> I HAVE NOT HEARD ABOUT.

 

>> LOTS OF ARTICLES.

 

IN MY CIRCLE, I SEE A LOT.

 

>> AND WHAT ABOUT THIS

 

PERSPECTIVE: ON ONE HAND, A

 

PERSON MAY FEEL VERY SUPPORTIVE

 

OF LGBTQ RIGHTS.

 

ON THE OTHER HAND, NOT WANTING

 

-- NOT FEELING COMFORTABLE

 

USING WHAT ARE CONSIDERED

 

IMPROPER PERMANENCE.

 

IS THAT PERSON THEN THEREFORE

 

ANTI-GAY?

 

>> I DON'T THINK THEY ARE

 

ANTI-GAY AT ALL .

 

I MEAN, THERE'S A COMFORT LEVEL

 

AND HOW THEY WANT TO TALK AND

 

ARE USED TO TALKING AND

 

ADDRESSING .

 

I DON'T THINK THAT MEANS THAT

 

THEY ARE AGAINST A GAY PERSON.

 

I JUST THINK IT'S A COMFORT

 

LEVEL INTERCHANGE LEVEL, AND I

 

THINK WE WILL HAVE TO BE FLUID

 

AND GIVE THE SOME TIME AND GIVE

 

PEOPLE SOME TIME.

 

>> WE WILL GET THERE.

 

>> THE ONLY AREA I CARE ABOUT

 

IS WITH CHILDREN.

 

OBVIOUSLY THE TRANS MOVEMENT

 

HAS BEEN IMPORTANT FOR THOSE

 

ADULTS WHO CONTINUE TO HAVE

 

GENDER DYSPHORIA INTO

 

ADULTHOOD.

 

IF YOU LOOK AT SCIENCE, IT'S

 

RELATIVELY SETTLED THAT

 

ALLOWING AN ADULT WHO I STILL

 

IDENTIFIES AS SOMETHING OTHER

 

THAN BIOLOGICAL A GENDER TO

 

AFFIRM THAT, IT DECREASES

 

SUICIDALITY.

 

HOWEVER, OVERWHELMING MAJORITY

 

OF CHILDREN WHO HAVE GENDER

 

DYSPHORIA TEND TO SUBSIST OUT

 

OF IT AND IDENTIFY AS GAY OR

 

LESBIAN.

 

HOWEVER, THIS PUSH FOR US TO

 

AFFIRM FIVE-YEAR-OLDS WHO

 

BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE BOYS

 

INSTEAD OF GIRLS RATHER THAN

 

SAY LET'S WORK IT OUT, MAYBE

 

YOU'RE JUST A TOMBOY, MAYBE YOU

 

ACTUALLY WILL IDENTIFY AS

 

ANOTHER GENDERAS ADULT.

 

YOU SHOULD BE THEN TREATED WITH

 

RESPECT.

 

BUT THE STRANGE PROGRESSIVE

 

PUSH TO KIND OF ENCOURAGE THE

 

IDEA THAT GENDER IS FLUID, IT

 

DEFIES MOST SOCIAL SCIENCE AND

 

MOST BIOLOGICAL SCIENCE,

 

SCIENTIFIC STUDIES THAT

 

DEMONSTRATE THAT GENDER IS A

 

PRETTY FIXED PART OF YOUR

 

IDENTITY.

 

WHEN YOU'RE TRANSGENDER, THAT

 

IS A VERY STRONG AND SALIENT

 

FEELING THAT DOES NOT

 

NECESSARILY EBB AND FLOW BASED

 

ON SOCIAL AFFIRMATION.

 

>> IF A LITTLE GIRL LIKE

 

STARBUCKS, IS THAT BAD?

 

NO, THAT'S EVOLUTION.

 

>> Bonnie:

 

BEHIND THE HEADLINES: DO WOMEN

 

HAVE A DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIP

 

WITH MONEY THAN MEN?

 

YES, THEY DO, ACCORDING TO A

 

RECENT SURVEY. WHILE WOMEN ARE

 

MORE DRIVEN TO REACH FINANCIAL

 

INDEPENDENCE, THEY FALL BEHIND

 

IN INVESTMENT AND SAVINGS,

 

COMPARED WITH MEN. THAT'S

 

ACCORDING TO A 2018 SURVEY

 

CONDUCTED BY LOGICA RESEARCH ON

 

YOUNG ADULTS AGED 16-25.>>

 

Carrie Schwab-Pomerantz: YOUNG

 

WOMEN ARE MORE LIKELY TO SAY

 

THAT THEY WANTED TO BE

 

FINANCIALLY INDEPENDENT FROM

 

THEIR PARENTS, AND THAT THEY

 

UNDERSTOOD THE IMPORTANCE OF

 

PLANNING FOR THEIR FUTURE. THEY

 

WERE MORE LIKELY TO SPEND 30%

 

LESS MONEY THAN YOUNG MEN, THEY

 

WERE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE A

 

SECOND JOB, BUT THEY HAD 40%

 

LESS IN SAVINGS.

 

>> Bonnie: CARRIE

 

SCHWAB-POMERANTZ, BOARD CHAIR

 

AND PRESIDENT OF THE CHARLES

 

SCHWAB FOUNDATION, SAYS THE

 

MATH DOESN'T WORK UNTIL YOU DIG

 

A LITTLE DEEPER.

 

>> Carrie Schwab-Pomerantz:

 

HALF OF THE YOUNG WOMEN WERE

 

LIKELY TO HAVE AN INVESTMENT

 

ACCOUNT VERSUS THE BOYS. AND IF

 

YOU ASK THEM, IF WE IF I, YOU

 

KNOW, IF WE GAVE YOU EXTRA

 

CASH, WOULD YOU INVEST IT AND

 

ONLY HALF THE NUMBER OF YOUNG

 

WOMEN SAID YES. SO WE'RE

 

FALLING BEHIND RIGHT AWAY.

 

>> Bonnie: THE FINANCIAL

 

GENDER GAP COULD BE NARROWED IF

 

WOMEN IMPROVED THEIR MANAGEMENT

 

OF DAY-TO-DAY FINANCES,

 

ACCORDING TO SCHWAB-POMERANTZ.

 

>> Carrie Schwab-Pomerantz:

 

BUT THEN THEY WERE MORE LIKELY

 

TO BORROW FROM THEIR PARENTS,

 

THEY WERE ALSO MORE LIKELY TO

 

SKIP A CREDIT CARD PAYMENT. SO

 

SOME OF IT JUST LOOKS IT DIDN'T

 

DIDN'T REALLY ADD UP.

 

SO THEY HAVE THE RIGHT MINDSET,

 

THEY HAVE THE RIGHT DESIRES,

 

IT'S IS PUTTING THEM INTO

 

ACTION.

 

IT COULD BE JUST THE PRESSURES,

 

THE SOCIAL PRESSURES AMONG

 

THEIR FRIENDS, YOU KNOW,

 

DRESSING NICELY.

 

>> Bonnie: PARENTS TEND TO

 

TEACH SONS ABOUT BUILDING

 

WEALTH WHILE TEACHING DAUGHTERS

 

ABOUT FISCAL RESTRAINT. THEY

 

THEREBY SET UP DIFFERENT

 

FINANCIAL EXPECTATIONS FROM

 

EARLY ON.

 

>> Carrie Schwab-Pomerantz:

 

PARENTS TALK TO THEIR DAUGHTERS

 

DIFFERENTLY THAN THEIR SONS

 

WHEN IT COMES TO MONEY.

 

WITH THEIR DAUGHTERS, THEY TALK

 

ABOUT THE SHORT TERM CONCEPTS,

 

YOU KNOW, SUCH AS SAVINGS AND

 

HOUSEHOLD EXPENDITURES, BUT

 

WITH THEIR SONS, THEY TALK

 

ABOUT STATE PLANNING, THE STOCK

 

MARKET, BORROWING, YOU KNOW,

 

AND THIS, THAT'S ALL ABOUT

 

WEALTH CREATION. SO KNOW,

 

AGAIN, WE'RE SORT OF SETTING

 

OUR DAUGHTERS UP FOR FAILURE,

 

LONG TERM FAILURE.

 

>> Bonnie: SCHWAB-POMERANTZ

 

SAT ON PRESIDENT GEORGE W

 

BUSH'S AND PRESIDENT BARAK

 

OBAMA'S ADVISORY COUNCILS THAT

 

PROMOTED FINANCIAL LITERACY.

 

SHE ADVOCATES FOR TEACHING

 

FINANCIAL LITERACY IN SCHOOLS.

 

>> Carrie Schwab-Pomerantz:

 

ONLY 17 STATES IN THIS COUNTRY

 

REQUIRE SOME TYPE OF PERSONAL

 

FINANCE EMBEDDED IN CURRICULUM.

 

AND THEN THERE'S ONLY FIVE

 

STATES THAT REQUIRED AS A

 

STANDALONE. AND THE FIRST STATE

 

REQUIRED AS A STANDALONE WAS

 

UTAH. AND THE REASON THAT THEY

 

REQUIRED OR THEY, YOU KNOW,

 

WHERE DID THAT IS, BECAUSE THEY

 

SAW THAT THEY HAD SOME OF THE

 

HIGHEST BANKRUPTCY RATES IN THE

 

COUNTRY

 

>> Bonnie: SHE'S ALSO HELPED

 

CREATE A PROGRAM, MONEY

 

MATTERS, FOR THE BOYS AND GIRLS

 

CLUBS OF AMERICA.

 

>> Carrie Schwab-Pomerantz:

 

WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THAT

 

THESE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO GO

 

THROUGH OUR PROGRAM, THE MONEY

 

MATTERS PROGRAM, ARE MORE

 

LIKELY TO SEEK OUT COLLEGE AND

 

SEEK OUT SCHOLARSHIPS AND

 

FUNDING FOR COLLEGE. SO YOU

 

COULD SEE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S

 

ALL ABOUT ECONOMIC MOBILITY,

 

AND NEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR

 

PEOPLE AND WHAT DIFFERENCE THAT

 

FINANCIAL LITERACY CAN MAKE IN

 

SOMEONE'S LIFE.

 

>> Bonnie: WHILE IT SEEMS LIKE

 

A REALLY GOOD IDEA TO HAVE

 

UNIVERSAL FINANCIAL LITERACY

 

CLASSES FOR HIGH SCHOOLERS, I

 

MEAN, I CANNOT IMAGINE WHY IT'S

 

NOT BEING DONE ALREADY, BUT

 

WHAT ABOUT -- WHO ARE THESE

 

PARENTS THAT ARE NOT TEACHING

 

THEIR GIRLS TO BE FINANCIALLY

 

LITERATE?

 

I THOUGHT MY PARENTS DID IT AND

 

THAT WAS 50 YEARS AGO.

 

>> OH, YEAH. I HAD TO PUT ASIDE

 

ANY MONEY I MADE, A BIG PORTION

 

OF THAT WENT INTO SAVINGS.

 

YOU DID NOT TOUCH IT.

 

>> I REMEMBER SAVING FOR MY

 

VERY FIRST JOB -- I REMEMBER

 

NOT WORRYING ABOUT HAVING

 

ENOUGH MONEY TO RETIRE

 

COMFORTABLY IN MY FIRST JOB

 

WHEN I WAS ABOUT 19 YEARS OLD

 

AND PUTTING PART OF THAT AWAY.

 

I MEAN, WHAT'S --

 

>> I THINK IT'S INTERESTING

 

BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET

 

THE TAKE AWAY.

 

AS SHE SAID, THERE ARE

 

CONFLICTING THINGS GOING ON

 

HERE.

 

I WONDER IF IT'S NOT ALSO A

 

CONFIDENCE THING, TO DREAM BIG

 

LIKE THE GUYS.

 

THEY ARE INVESTING, LOOKING

 

INTO THE FUTURE, MAKING MONEY.

 

WOMEN ARE MORE HOARDING AND

 

HOUSEHOLD GOODS AND TAUGHT THAT

 

WAY.

 

I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S HOW WE

 

TREAT AND TEACH OUR WOMEN THAT

 

YOU ARE NOT THE BIG PICTURE

 

PEOPLE, YOU WILL NOT BE MAKING

 

THE MONEY, YOU WILL BE TAKING

 

CARE OF THE LITERAL THINGS.

 

>> I DID SEMINARS ON THE SPREAD

 

FINANCIAL LITERACY AND TEACHING

 

NEGOTIATION ARE NOT SKILLS THEY

 

PICK UP AT HOME.

 

IT'S THE WAY MOST NUCLEAR

 

FAMILIES HAVE BEEN ORGANIZED,

 

AND IT'S STARTING TO CHANGE.

 

IT'S SLOW.

 

IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST

 

IMPORTANT THINGS WE CAN DO FOR

 

WOMEN'S EMPOWERMENT NEXT TO

 

TEACHING WOMEN'S HISTORY.

 

>> ALSO SEEING MORE WOMEN WHO

 

ARE BREADWINNERS NOW AND THEIR

 

FAMILIES.

 

I ALSO FEEL LIKE --

 

>> YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE I DON'T

 

THINK SHE MENTIONED WAS WOMEN,

 

IF THEY HAVE MONEY, ARE MUCH

 

MORE LIKELY TO SPEND IT ON

 

THEIR KIDS AND SAVE FOR

 

RETIREMENT> I ACTUALLY

 

DON'T REALLY -- I DON'T KNOW IF

 

I AGREE WITH THE PACKAGE ON

 

WHAT SHE'S SAYING, BECAUSE I

 

KNOW SO MANY WOMEN WHO -- I

 

MEAN , I WISH I WAS TAUGHT LIKE

 

THAT WHEN I WAS GROWING UP.

 

I THINK FINANCIAL LITERACY

 

TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER -- I

 

DON'T KNOW, NOW I WONDER WHY WE

 

WERE LEARNING ALGEBRA WHEN WE

 

SHOULD'VE BEEN TALK MORE ABOUT

 

MONEY MANAGEMENT.

 

ASIDE FROM THAT, MANY WOMEN I

 

KNOW OF DIFFERENT AGES, THEY

 

ARE THE BOSS.

 

I LOOK AT THEM AND I'M LIKE,

 

WOW, I WISH I COULD BE LIKE

 

THAT ABOUT WHETHER THEY OWN

 

THEIR OWN BUSINESS OR AN

 

INVESTMENT BANKER, WHETHER THEY

 

ARE THE BREADWINNER, I KNOW A

 

LOT OF TV ANCHORS.

 

IT'S AMAZING.

 

I APPLAUD WOMEN.

 

>> SO YOU ARE REFERRING TO AN

 

ANECDOTAL SLICE OF A PRIVILEGE

 

SEGMENT OF AMERICAN SOCIETY.

 

IT WAS EMBARRASSING TO ME ABOUT

 

THE PACKAGES THE IDEA THAT IT'S

 

NEVER BEEN EASIER TO MAKE YOUR

 

MONEY WORK FOR YOU WHEN YOU ARE

 

USING IT.

 

THERE APPS LIKE ROBIN HOOD,

 

QUEEN BASE WHERE YOU CAN INVEST

 

IN CRYPTO.

 

THE FACT THAT WOMEN, I BELIEVE

 

THEY ARE REFERRING TO GEN Z

 

WOMEN, ARE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE

 

OF THAT.

 

>> BUT ON THE FLIPSIDE, THERE

 

IS ALSO -- THERE IS PAYPAL,

 

THEN VENMO, YOU CAN SPEND YOUR

 

MONEY WILL ALLOW --

 

>>

 

[CROSS TALK]

 

>> THE FIRST THING YOU LEARN

 

ANY ECONOMICS OR FINANCE CLASS

 

CI, STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL,

 

RETURNS ON INVESTMENT OR

 

GREATER THAN ON LABOR.

 

SO THERE'S IMMEDIACY TO GEN Z

 

THAT IT THINK DOESN'T -- DID

 

NOT EXIST FOR MY GENERATION,

 

MILLENNIALS, BECAUSE WE DO NOT

 

GROW UP WITH THE CELL PHONE IN

 

THE POCKET.

 

THAT BEING SAID, IT'S NEVER

 

BEEN EASIER TO LEARN THE INS

 

AND OUTS OF TRAINING, EACH

 

DAYTRADING.

 

SO IF GIRLS ARE NOT TAKING

 

ADVANTAGE, THAT'S NOT THE

 

PATRIOTIC, THAT'S GROSS NOT

 

TAKING OWNERSHIP OF THEIR

 

FUTURE.

 

>> I DID NOT GET TO ECON

 

CLASSES UNTIL I WENT TO

 

COLLEGE.> IT'S RIGHT IN YOUR

 

POCKET.

 

>> WE ARE OUT OF THE TIME.

 

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