>> WE HAVE A MUCH BETTER CHANCE

OF GETTING THE SENATE BACK IN

2020.

WE NEED A CLEAR CANDIDATE WITH

A VERY CLEAR MESSAGE, WE NEED

 

TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.

>> BONNIE: HELLO, I'M BONNIE

ERBE.

WELCOME TO THE CONTRARY.

THIS WEEK WE REPRESENT

REPRESENTATIVE DONNA SHALAL.

FORMER SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND

HUMAN SERVICES UNDER BILL

CLINTON.

SHE'S ALSO BEEN AT THE HELM OF

TWO MAJOR UNIVERSITY AS WELL AS

THE CLINTON FOUNDATION.

NOW, SHE REPRESENTS FLORIDA'SEN

27TH DISTRICT.

WELCOME, DONNA SHALAL.

WE LOVE YOU SO MUCH.

YOU SAT IN AS HOSTED OF THE

SHOW MANY YEARS AGO SO WE HAVE

KNOWN YOU FOR A LONG TIME.

NOW, TELL ME ABOUT WHICH IS I'M

SURE THE QUESTION YOU'RE

GETTING ALL OVER THE PLACE, WHY

-- WHAT MADE YOU RUN FOR

CONGRESS AFTER HAVING BEEN A

CABINET SECRETARY?

>> YOU KNOW, I WOKE UP ONE

MORNING IN THE SPRING AND I

TURNED DOWN THE TELEVISION AND

I JUST GOT PISSED OFF WHAT WAS

GOING ON IN WASHINGTON.

IT LOOK LIKE -- I MEAN OUR

COUNTRY WAS IN BIG TROUBLE WITH

THE KIND OF LEADERSHIP THAT WAS

GOING NONE WASHINGTON.

NOT JUST THE PRESIDENT BUT THE

CONGRESS ITSELF AND I JUST

COULDN'T STAND ON THE

SIDELINES.

>> BONNIE: NOW, YOU TOOK A

DISTRICT FOR MANY YEARS WAS

REPRESENTED BY A REPUBLICAN AND

YOU RAN AGAINST LATINA.

HOW DID YOU WIN?

>> DONNA.

FIRST OF ALL I WAS VERY WELL

KNOWN.

SECOND I COULD HIT THE GROUND

RUNNING.

I KNEW WASHINGTON THAT I HAD

LIVED IN THE DISTRICT FOR

ALMOST 20 YEARS AND THAT THEY

NEW ME.

THEY KNEW THAT I HAD DELIVERED

THEY UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI.

THERE IS GREAT PRIDE IN THE

SUCCESS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF

MIAMI.

THEY KNEW ME PERSONALLY BECAUSE

I WAS ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY

AND I RECEIVED VOTES FROM ALL

SEGMENTS INCLUDING REPUBLICANS.

>> BONNIE: WHAT CHANGES DID

YOU MAKE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF

MIAMI AND HOW DID YOU IMPROVE

IT?

>> DONNA: WE MOVED INTO THE

TOP RANKS OF AMERICAN

UNIVERSITIES.

WE BUILT A HUGE MEDICAL

COMPLEX, SOME OF THE BEST

DOCTORS IN THE WORLD THAT WE

RECRUITED.

WE IMPROVED THE QUALITY OF THE

UNDERGRADUATE STUDENT BODY.

WE HAD A $6 BILLION IMPACT ON

THE ECONOMY.

IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO IT IS A REMARKABLE SMALL

15,000 STUDENT PRIVATE

UNIVERSITY THAT HAS HAD AN

ENORMOUS IMPACT.

>> BONNIE: SO TELL ME WHAT IS

ANYONE ON YOUR LEGISLATIVE

CALENDAR?

>> DONNA: IT HAS TO BE HEALTH

CARE.

STOPPING THE ASSAULT ON

PREEXISTING CONDITIONS.

THIS ADMINISTRATION, INCLUDING

THE FLORIDA ATTORNEY GENERAL

HAVE FILED TO ELIMINATE

PREEXISTING CONDITIONS COVERAGE

AS A REQUIREMENT NOT JUST IN

THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT BUT IN

OTHER HEALTH CARE THAT THE

GOVERNMENT PROVIDES AND IT'S

VERY DANGEROUS.

IF YOU DON'T COVER PREEXISTING

CONDITIONS, YOU DON'T HAVE

INSURANCE.

WE WOULD HAVE MADE TECHNICAL

CORRECTIONS BUT THE REPUBLICANS

WOULDN'T LET US RIGHT AFTER THE

BILL WAS PASSED.

THE SUBSIDIES ARE PROBABLY NOT

DEEP ENOUGH AND IF YOU DON'T

GET SUBSIDIES, YOU'RE IN THE

MIDDLE CLASS PROBABLY GETTING

HAMMERED BY THE HEALTH

INSURANCE SYSTEM IN THIS

COUNTRY.

THE INCREASES ARE STEADYING OUT

A LITTLE BIT.

BUT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS

REALLY UNSETTLE THE MARKET AND

WE'VE GOT LOTS MORE PEOPLE THAT

WE WANT TO COVER WITH HEALTH

INSURANCE.

>> BONNIE: UNSETTLE THE MARKET

MEANING CAUSED INCREASES IN

PREMIUMS?

>> DONNA: FORCED INCREASES.

WHAT THE INSURANCE COMPANIES DO

THEY TRY TO PREDICT WHAT IS

GOING TO HAPPEN IN WASHINGTON.

THEY COULDN'T READ THE

ADMINISTRATION.

THEY JACKED UP THEIR RATES TO

PROTECT THEMSELVES.

AS SOON AS THE PRESIDENT

REMOVED THE REQUIREMENT THAT

EVERYBODY HAD TO HAVE HEALTH

INSURANCE, THAT CAUSED LOTS OF

CONSTERMATION IN THE MARKET.

SO SOME OF THAT HAS SETTLED

DOWN, PARTICULARLY SINCE THE

DEMOCRATS HAVE TAKEN OVER THE

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

BECAUSE THEY KNOW WE WANT TO

SETTLE DOWN THE MARKET.

WE WANT TO KEEP COSTS DOWN AND

EVERYBODY WANTS TO DEAL WITH

PHARMACEUTICAL COSTS.

DRUG COSTS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE

JUST TOO HIGH, NOT PREDICTABLE.

EITHER FOR INDIVIDUALS OR FOR

CORPORATIONS.

THEY'RE GOING CRAZY AS WELL.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A VERY

HARD LOOK AT DRUG COSTS.

I LIVE IN AN AREA IN WHICH SEA

LEVEL RISE, CLIMATE CHANGES,

LIFE OR DEATH FOR SOUTH

FLORIDA.

AND SO DEALING WITH THE

ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES TAKING A

GIANT STEP, PROTECTING THE

EVERGLADE AND CLEAN WATER,

BUILDING SEA WALLS.

THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT IN SOUTH

FLORIDA AND THEN GUN CONTROL.

WE'VE GOT TO AT THE MINIMUM DO

SOMETHING ABOUT BACKGROUND

CHECKS BUT I'D LIKE TO DO AN

ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN.

WE DID IT IN '94.

I THINK WE CERTAINLY OUGHT TO

TRY TO DO IT NOW.

>> BONNIE: HEALTH CARE.

PRESIDENT TRUMP CAMPAIGNED

AGAINST IT.

IT SEEMED AT THE TIME ANYWAY

THAT THE COUNTRY WAS AGREEING

WITH HIM OR MAJORITY OF VOTERS

WERE AGREEING WITH HIM ON THAT

POINT AND, THEN, ALL OF A

SUDDEN, ONCE HE STARTED TO

REALLY DISMANTLE IT, HEALTH

CARE BECAME -- THE ACA BECAME

VERY POPULAR.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THAT PUBLIC

OPINION SHIFT, WHICH WAS PRETTY

MASSIVE HAPPENED?

>> DONNA: FIRST OF ALL THEY

PAINTED ON REPEAL AND REPLACE.

THEY HAD THE VOTES ON REPEAL

BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES

FOR REPLACE.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE A REPLACE THAT

MADE ANY KIND SENSE.

IN MY DISTRICT, WHICH IS MIAMI

BASICALLY, ALL OF MIAMI,

100,000 PEOPLE HAVE THE ACA.

HAVE THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE

THROUGH THE ACCOUNTABLE CARE

ACT THROUGH OBAMA CARE.

BOY, THEY DO NOT WANT THAT

INSURANCE TO DISAPPEAR BECAUSE

THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN

GET INSURANCE.

>> BONNIE: WHERE WERE THEY

WHEN TRUMP WAS RUNNING AND

SAYING LET'S REPEAL AND

REPLACE.

>> DONNA: IT WAS KIND OF A

REBELLION AGAINST THE STABILITY

MENTAL.

WHAT THE PRESIDENT DEMONSTRATED

HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HEALTH

CARE.

HE COULDN'T MAKE THE CASE TO

REPEAL AND REPLACE NOR COULD

THE REPUBLICANS.

THE STRATEGY FOR THE

ACCOUNTABLE CARE ACT IS A

REPUBLICAN IDEA.

IT CAME OUT OF THE HERITAGE

FOUNDATION.

SO IT'S BEEN A REPUBLICAN IDEA

FOR A LONG TIME.

BUILD EXCHANGES, GIVE PEOPLE

CHOICES, PROVIDE SUBSIDIES FOR

THOSE WHO CAN'T AFFORD IT.

AND FILL IN THE GAPS FOR THOSE

THAT CAN'T AFFORD IT.

>> BONNIE: IS THAT A GOOD WAY

TO DO IT, DEMOCRATS AGREE THAT

IS A GOOD WAY TO DO IT.

>> DONNA: THAT IS A BIG DEBATE

WE ALL BELIEVE IN UNIVERSAL

COVERAGE AND ALL BELIEVE THAT

HEALTH CARE OUGHT TO BE A

RIGHT.

WE ALL BELIEVE WE OUGHT TO HAVE

INSURANCE, GOOD INNOCENCE THAT

IS AFFORDABLE THAT'S OF GREAT

QUALITY THAT PRODUCES GREAT

OUTCOMES FOR EVERYONE.

AND WE OUGHT TO COVER EVERY

ONE.

WHAT WE DON'T AGREE ON PROBABLY

IS WHAT THE STRATEGY SHOULD BE.

SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE IN SINGLE

PAYER.

OTHER PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT WE

SHOULD SHORE UP THE REPORTABLE

CARE ACT, IMPROVE MEDICARE

AROUND LET PEOPLE BUY INTO

MEDICARE THAT CAN'T FIT INTO

ONE OF THE PROGRAMS.

>> BONNIE: GUN CONTROL, OF

COURSE UNDER PRESIDENT CLINTON

AUTOMATIC WEAPONS WERE BANNED

AND IT WAS THAT WAY FOR 10

YEARS.

HOW IS IT HAPPENED THAT THAT IS

LEGAL NOW AND THAT KIDS CAN GET

THEM AND GO INTO CUES SCHOOLS

AND KILL OTHER KIDS?

>> DONNA: IT IS A COMPLICATED

ISSUE POLITICALLY.

MORALLY IT IS NOT A COMPLICATED

ISSUE AT ALL.

WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ASSAULT

WEAPONS.

IT IS NOT A HUNTING RIFLE.

IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE

GOING TO USE TO PROTECT YOUR

HOME.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE

MILITARY USES.

BUT THE NATIONAL RIFLE

ASSOCIATION HAS BEEN VERY

POWERFUL AND HAS CONVINCED

AMERICANS THAT IT IS NOT AN

ASSAULT ON GUNS.

IT IS AN ASSAULT ON THE

CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED

STATES.

FOR THOSE OF US THAT ARE

PERFECTLY WILLING TO SUPPORT

THE SECOND AMENDMENT BUT WE DO

THINK THAT MILITARY STYLE

WEAPONS OUGHT TO BE BANNED.

I COME FROM A FAMILY OF HUNTERS

I'M FINE WITH HUNTING RIFLES --

>> BONNIE: WHERE DID YOU GO

WISCONSIN?

>> DONNA: I GREW UP WISCONSIN

BUT MY BROTHER-IN-LAW LIVES IN

NORTH DAKOTA. MY BROTHER

DOESN'T BELIEVE ANYONE SHOULD

HAVE ASSAULT RIFLES.

HE SAID JOIN THE ARMY IF YOU

WANT TO SHOOT ONE OF THOSE

MILITARY TIME WEAPONS.

AND MY FAMILY DOESN'T HAVE ANY

PROBLEM WITH BACKGROUND CHECKS.

NOR DO MOST AMERICANS.

AND MOST AMERICANS BELIEVE THAT

ASSAULT WEAPONS OUGHT TO BE

BANNED BUT THE POLITICS HAS

BEEN VERY DIFFICULT UP UNTIL

NOW.

WE ACTUALLY NEGOTIATED AN

ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN.

WE PASSED THE BRADY BILL.

OUR FIRST STEP WILL PROBABLY BE

BACKGROUND STEMS.

>> BONNIE: CAN YOU GET THAT

THROUGH THE SENATE WHICH IS

STILL REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED?

>> DONNA: I THINK SO.

I THINK SO.

IT HAS TO BE BIPARTISAN.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT WANT

IT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PARTY

THEY BELONG TO BUT THE VAST

MAJORITY WANT IT.

THEY WANT TO PROTECT KIDS.

THEY WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL

ABOUT WHO GETS ACCESS TO

WEAPONS IN THIS COUNTRY.

>> BONNIE: THE NRA, SOMETHING

INTERESTED HAPPENED.

THEY LOST LIKE THEIR DONATIONS

WENT DOWN BY I THINK IT WAS 20%

LAST YEAR.

HAVE THEY OVERREACHED ARE THEY

AT THE POINT NOW WHERE

AMERICANS SAY TO THEMSELVES,

GEE, AN ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN.

THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING TO BE

AGAINST.

>> DONNA: NEVER UNDERESTIMATE

THEM.

I DON'T CARE IF THEY HAVE 20%

LESS INCOME I WOULD NOT

UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF THE

NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION AND

THEIR ABILITY TO GIVE MONEY TO

VARIOUS CANDIDATES OR TO MAKE

THEIR CASE TO THE MEDIA.

HERE'S THE STORY.

I WAS CAMPAIGNING IN A

RESTAURANT.

I MET A YOUNG FAMILY AND THE

MOTHER WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO

HER YOUNG SON WHO WAS ABOUT 10

YEARS OLD, HEY, SHE'S RUNNING

FOR CONGRESS.

HE COULDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND

IT.

HE SAID YOU RUNNING FOR

PRESIDENT AND I SAID NO ALREADY

I'M RUNNING FOR CONGRESS AND I

HAD TO EXPLAIN CONGRESS TO HIM.

AND I SAID WHAT DO YOU WANT TO

BE WHEN YOU GROW UP?

HE SAID I WANT TO BE A POLICE

OFFICER.

I SAID THAT IS PERFECT.

BE A POLICE OFFICER.

THAT IS A GREAT PROFESSION.

WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE A POLICE

OFFICER?

HE SAID BECAUSE I WANT TO

PROTECT THE KIDS IN MY SCHOOL.

NO KID IN THIS COUNTRY SHOULD

GROW UP PICKING A PROFESSION

BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PROTECT

THE KIDS IN THEIR SCHOOL.

HE AND THE KIDS IN HIS SCHOOL

SHOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT SAFETY.

I NEVER WORRIED ABOUT SAFETY

WHEN I WAS A KID GROWING UP.

THE KIDS IN THIS COUNTRY MANY

OF THEM ARE WORRIED BECAUSE OF

WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN SCHOOL, IN

THE COMMUNITIES, IT'S NOT JUST

IN SCHOOLS.

IT IS NOT JUST PARK LAND OR

SANDY HOOK.

IT IS ALSO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN

OUR COMMUNITY.

>> BONNIE: IS THE POLITICAL

WAIVE THAT WE SAW WITH THE

REACTION TO PARK LAND OF THE --

>> DONNA: THE 40 PEOPLE THAT

FLIP SEATS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF

THEM PAINTED ON THIS ISSUE.

I CERTAINLY DID.

AND SO THEIR CAUSES IS EMBODIED

IN ME AND IN SO MANY OF MY

COLLEAGUES.

>> BONNIE: DESCRIBE THE CLASS

TO ME.

>> DONNA: THE CLASS IS VERY

DIVERSE.

WE HAVE GOT A PEDIATRICIAN.

WE'VE GOT A NURSE.

WE'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE

STATE LEGISLATORS.

WE HAVE GOT TWO NATIVE

AMERICANS, FIRST TWO NATIVE

AMERICAN WOMEN ELECTED

EXTRAORDINARY WOMEN.

SO IT IS -- IT IS A DIFFERENT

KIND OF CLASS.

A DIFFERENT FEEL TO IT.

IT IS NOT JUST PEOPLE THAT GREW

UP IN POLITICS.

IT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT RAN

THEIR OWN BUSINESSES THAT HAD

THEIR OWN SPECIALTIES BEFORE

THEY RAN FOR OFFICE.

>> BONNIE: WHO ARE MORE IN

TOUCH YOU THINK WITH GRASSROOTS

AMERICA?

>> DONNA: EVERYBODY THINKS WE

RAN THE BIG NATIONAL CAMPAIGNS

AND WE DIDN'T RUN A NATIONAL

CAMPAIGN.

I TALKED AS MUCH ABOUT TRAFFIC

AS I DID ABOUT BIG ISSUES LIKE

HEALTH CARE.

>> DONNA: NANCY PELOS.

IT IS NOW SPEAKER BUT SHE HAD A

ROUGH ROAD GETTING THERE.

WHAT IS YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH

HER?

>> DONNA: I'M A LONG TIME

FRIEND OF NANCYS.

I DID NOT ENDORSE HER IN THE

PRIMARY.

I TOLD HER I WAS STAYING OUT OF

ANY ISSUES BECAUSE IT WAS

PRESUMPTUOUS OF ME TO ASSUME I

WAS GOING TO GET ELECTED.

BUT RIGHT AFTERWARDS I DID

ENDORSE HER.

I THINK SHE'S AN EXTRAORDINARY

LEADER, A VERY SHREWD LEADER.

I DON'T THINK SHE HAD A ROUGH

GO.

THIS IS THE KIND OF POLITICS

YOU WOULD EXPECT.

SOME PEOPLE WANT SOME THINGS.

SHE NEVER GAVE WAY ANYTHING

THAT SHE DIDN'T THINK WASEL

ETHICAL AND WAS IMPORTANT TO

THE FUTURE OF THE DEMOCRATIC

PARTY.

>> BONNIE: WOULD SHE HAVE HAD

ANY EASIER TIME IF SHE WAS A

78-YEAR-OLD MAN INSTEAD OF A

SURVEYED YEAR OLD WOMAN?

>> DONNA: THE TWO MEN IN THEIR

70S WHO ARE ALSO IN LEADERSHIP

DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM AT ALL.

WAS THERE A DIMENSION THERE?

CERTAINLY.

ALL OF US KNOW THAT.

BUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT

SHE IS SHREWD AND SMART AND

SENSIBLE AND COMPASSIONATE AND

SHE HAS DEEP ROOTS IN THE

DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND SHE

CARRIES FIRST ABOUT THE MOST

VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN OUR

SOCIETY.

AND I'M PROUD TO SUPPORT HER AS

ARE MY COLLEAGUES.

>> BONNIE: YOU'RE VERY CLOSE

TO THE CLINTONS.

ARE WE GOING TO SEE HILLARY RUN

AGAIN?

>> DONNA: I DON'T THINK SO.

>> BONNIE: WHY NOT?

>> DONNA: I THINK HILLARY HAS

OVERRED OTHER THINGS THAT SHE

WANTS TO DO.

NO.

WE'RE GOING TO SEE A WHOLE NEW

GROUP OF PEOPLE OF VARYING

AGES.

YOU HAVE MIKE BLOOMBERG AND JOE

BIDE UNON ONE SIDE.

YOU HAVE MITCH ATLANTA DREW AND

A NUMBER OF WOMEN THAT ARE

INTERESTED IN RUNNING IT WILL

BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE

WHETHER WE HAVE A HUGE PRIMARY

IN SOME OF THESE STATES.

THE MORE THE MERRIER AS FAR AS

I'M CONCERNED.

>> BONNIE: DO YOU THINK A

WOMAN CAN SINCH THE MOVE.

WE HAVE KERSTIN TALKING ABOUT

IT ISN'T THAT RIGHT FROM

NEW YORK.

ISN'T THAT RIGHT FROM

CALIFORNIA AND THE LIST GOES ON

AND ON.

>> DONNA: ELIZABETH WARREN.

OF COURSE A WOMAN CAN SECURE

THE NOMINATION.

WE HAVE DONE IT ONCE.

CERTAINLY I THINK IT IS

POSSIBLE.

WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS WHAT IS

OUR MESSAGE.

RIGHT NOW --

>> BONNIE: SHOULD IT BE HEALTH

CARE?

>> DONNA: OF COURSE IT HAS TO

BE HEALTH CARE.

WE'LL NEVER FINISH.

IT HAS TO BE THE ENVIRONMENT

AND IMMIGRATION REFORM.

SENSIBLE IMMIGRATION REFORM.

WE BELONG IN STRONG BORDERS BUT

WE HAVE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN

THIS COUNTRY WHO HAVE BEEN HERE

FOR MANY YEARS.

WE HAVE FOR FIND A PATHWAY TO

CITIZENSHIP FOR THEM.

NOT JUST FOR THE DACA KIDS THAT

I CARE ABOUT FOR A LOT BUT THE

OTHERS HERE WE HAVE TO EXTEND

TEMPORARY PROTECTIVE STATUS TO

VENEZUELANS AND TO NICARAGUA AS

WELL.

WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO IN

THIS COUNTRY BUT REMEMBERING

THAT WE'RE A NATION OF

IMMIGRANTS IS THE MOST

IMPORTANT.

WHICH IS WHAT THIS PRESIDENT

AND THIS ADMINISTRATION FORGETS

>> BONNIE: AND YET PRESIDENT

TRUMP RAN AS AN OPPONENT OF

IMMIGRATION.

WANTS MANY FEWER PEOPLE COMING

IN.

HE WANTS NO ILLEGAL BORDER

CROSSINGS.

AND HE SEEMED TO APPEAL TO A

SEGMENT OF VOTERS, YOU KNOW, A

LARGE SEGMENT OF VOTERS WHO

APPRECIATED WHAT HE WAS DOING

ON THAT FRONT.

>> DONNA: THERE CERTAINLY IS

NO QUESTION THAT THERE ARE

VOTERS IN THIS COUNTRY THAT

BELIEVE WHAT THE PRESIDENT

BELIEVES.

BUT HERE IS WHAT THE PRESIDENT

WANTS.

HE WANTS PEOPLE WHO ARE

WEALTHY, WELL-FED AND WELL

EDUCATED.

LOOK, I DON'T -- I WANT SAFE

BORDERS.

I WANT PEOPLE TO COME IN AN

ORDERLY WAY BUT THIS IDEA THAT

YOU HAVE TO BE WEALTHY TO COME

TO THIS COUNTRY AND TO STAY IN

THIS COUNTRY IS OUTRAGEOUS.

THIS COUNTRY WAS NOT BUILT BY

PEOPLE WHO CAME HERE WITH GREAT

WEALTH.

IT WAS BY -- BUILT BY PEOPLE

WHO HAD SPIRIT AND THE HUNGER

TO SUCCEED AND WANTED GOOD

OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEIR KIDS.

>> BONNIE: HR 1 OF ALL THINGS

IS ABOUT VOTER SUPPRESSION.

IS THERE A LOT OF THAT GOING

ON?

>> DONNA: THE FACT IS WE HAVE

A MESS ON OUR HANDS.

WE ARE TECHNOLOGICALLY

SOPHISTICATED AND WE HAVE NOT

APPLIED IT TO THE VOTING

PROCESS IN THIS COUNTRY.

WE ARE THE GREAT CHAMPIONS OF

TECHNOLOGY AND WE HAVEN'T

APPLIED IT TO THE MOST BASIC

FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT, THE RIGHT TO

VOTE IN THIS COUNTRY.

>> BONNIE: BUT, YOU KNOW, ON A

LOCAL LEVEL, THERE ARE COUNTIES

THAT ARE USING 30-YEAR-OLD, YOU

KNOW, COMPUTERS LIKE, YOU KNOW,

FROM THE 70S WHEN THEY WERE

THIS BIG AND HAD ONLY TEXT ON

THE SCREEN.

HOW DO YOUFICATION, YOU KNOW,

THAT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE

INVESTMENT.

>> DONNA: IT HAS TO BE A

FEDERAL INVESTMENT TO THE

STATES.

AT THE END OF THE DAY THE

STATES HAVE TO FEEL THAT

RESPONSIBILITY.

IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A UNITED

STATES OF AMERICA, WE'RE GOING

TO HAVE TO MAKE THE INVESTMENT

IN THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO

VOTE.

>> BONNIE: THIS PAST ELECTION,

SEEMED TO GO REASONABLY WELL.

YES, THERE WERE OUTBREAKS IN

AREAS OF THINGS LIKE THE

NORTH CAROLINA VOTE.

BUT WE DIDN'T SEEM, AT LEAST

THAT WE KNOW NOW, IT DIDN'T

SEEM TO HAVE BEEN INVADED BY

THE RUSSIANS AND RACES MADE UP

BECAUSE OF VOTES, YOU KNOW, OF

FAKE NEWS COMING FROM, YOU KNOW

, EASTERN EUROPE.

THAT SORT OF THING.

>> DONNA: I THINK THE WHOLE

WORLD WAS WATCHING INCLUDING

EVERY AMERICAN TO MAKE SURE

THOSE THINGS DIDN'T TAKE PLACE

AND WE HAVE SOME TECHNOLOGY IN

WHICH WE'RE FOCUSED ON WHETHER

THERE IS BEING CYBER ATTACKS BY

OTHER COUNTRIES AND IT WAS A

PRIMARY WHICH MEANT THAT IT WAS

RELATIVELY LOW TURN OUT.

THE REAL TEST WILL BE IN 2020

IN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

AND WE NEED TO BE VIGILANT.

BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A

FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT.

THIS IS WHAT WE BASE OUR

DEMOCRACY ON.

>> BONNIE: DO YOU THINK

PRESIDENT TRUMP WON FAIR AND

SQUARE OR WAS THERE

TECHNOLOGICAL EMEDALLING BY

RUSSIA BY PETER TIEL,

REPUBLICAN, IN SILICON VALLEY

WHO WAS VERY WEALTHY WHO USED

-- HELPED USE A LOT OF

TECHNOLOGY SUPPOSEDLY TO

MICROTARGET VOTERS?

>> DONNA: LOOK, EVERY PARTY

MICROTARGETS VOTERS.

I'M NOT GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT

THAT.

THERE CLEARLY WAS RUSSIAN

INTERFERENCE.

CLEARLY THERE WERE GAMES THAT

WERE BEING PLAYED.

BUT WE ACCEPTED THE ELECTION

AND PRESIDENT TRUMP IS

PRESIDENT.

WHAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IN

2020 IS THAT WE PREVENT ANY

KIND OF -- ANY KIND OF NEGATIVE

ACTIVITY THAT AFFECTS THE

OUTCOME AND I THINK AMERICANS

ARE MORE AWARE BECAUSE THE

INVESTIGATIONS, PARTICULARLY

TOWARDS WHAT THE RUSSIANS HAVE

DONE.

BUT IT IS NOT JUST THE RUSSIANS

BUT IT IS THE CHINESE.

IT IS EVERYONE WHO HAS ACCESS

TO HIGH-POWERED COMPUTERS.

>> BONNIE: DO YOU THINK DONALD

TRUMP IS BEATABLE BY A

DEMOCRATIC OPPONENT?

>> DONNA: OH, YES.

>> BONNIE: WHY?

>> DONNA: WE JUST BEAT HIM.

WE JUST BEAT HIM IN THE HOUSE

OF REPRESENTATIVES.

AND MANY OF US USE HIM RAN

AGAINST HIM AS WELL.

YES, HE'S BEATABLE.

>> BONNIE: BUT NOT IN THE

SENATE THE REPUBLICANS STILL --

>> DONNA: BUT THAT WAS THE

NUMBER OF SEATS AND THE KINDS

OF SEATS NET SENATE.

IN THE -- WE HAVE A MUCH BETTER

CHANCE OF GETTING THE SENATE

BACK IN 2020.

WE NEED A VERY GOOD CANDIDATE

WITH A VERY CLEAR MESSAGE THAT

WE NEED TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY

BACK.

WE NEED TO BRING THE COMPASSION

BACK.

WE NEED TO REMIND EVERYBODIED

EVERYONE AGAIN THAT WE'RE A

NATION OF IMMIGRANTS AND THAT

WE'RE DECENT PEOPLE AND THAT WE

TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN.

RIGHT NOW THERE IS AN ATTACK ON

POOR PEOPLE T ARGUING THAT YOU

CAN'T GET A GREEN CARD IF YOU

TAKE ANY KIND OF BENEFIT AT

ALL.

WE'RE GOING TO MAKE CHILDREN

HUNGRIER AND SICKER BY SOME OF

THE RULES THAT THIS

ADMINISTRATION IS PUTTING IN

PLACE.

WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO MAKE

OUR AIR AND WATER LESS CLEAN

BECAUSE OF RULES THAT ARE

REGULATIONS THAT ARE BEING

ROLLED BACK.

THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS TIME

IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

AND THE FACT THAT SO MANY

PEOPLE GOT ELECTED BECAUSE THEY

SAW THAT THERE WAS A DANGER OUT

THERE IS IMPORTANT.

AND I THINK IT WILL BE REFLECT

IN THE ELECTION OF 2020.

>> BONNIE: WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS

FOR LEGISLATION ON CLIMATE

CHANGE?

ARE YOU GOING TO AUTHOR ANY

BILLS IN THAT AREA?

>> DONNA: I'M GOING TO

CO-SPONSOR SOME BILLS THAT HAVE

ALREADY BEEN INTRODUCED.

SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE

INTRODUCED BILLS.

HERE WHAT IS WE NEED IN SOUTH

FLORIDA.

WE NEED A BIG INFRASTRUCTURE

BILL.

WE HAVE TO BUILD SEA WALLS AND

WE HAVE TO BUY STREETS AND

PROVIDE BUMPS.

>> BONNIE: CAN YOU BUILD ABOVE

THE SEAWATER AND CLIMATE

CHANGE?

>> DONNA: THERE IS NO QUESTION

ABOUT IT.

BUT SIMULTANEOUSLY WE HAVE TO

DO SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT IS

GOING ON IN TERMS OF THE

ENVIRONMENT.

SO THE FACT THAT WE PULLED OUT

OF PARIS I THINK IT IS TERRIBLE

AND YOU'LL SEE THIS GROUP, THIS

MAJORITY GROUP STARTING TO TAKE

SOME STRONG STEPS WHETHER OR

NOT THE REPUBLICAN HEALTH

SENATE WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT

IT WE'LL EXPLAIN TO THE

AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THIS IS IN

FACT LIFE AND DEATH FOR OUR

PLANET.

AND AMERICANS HAVE TO DO THEIR

FAIR SHARE.

>> BONNIE: YOU THINK

FLORIDIANS ARE MORE SENSITIVE

TO IT BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURE

OF THE STATE?

>> DONNA: I DO.

WE HAVE NO CLIMATE DENIERS IN

SOUTH FLORIDA.

>> BONNIE: YOU HAVE A LOT TO

ROLL BACK.

HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE IF

DEMOCRATS CAN SUCCEED WITH

LEGISLATION BETWEEN NOW AND

THINGS THAT ENVIRONMENTALISTS

SAY, DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE TO

HURT THE ENVIRONMENT?

>> DONNA: WE COULD STOP SOME

THINGS.

WE COULD STOP SOME REGULATIONS.

WE COULD STOP SOME REGULATIONS

THAT WEAKEN OUR LAWS ON CLEAN

AIR AND CLEAN WATER.

WE CERTAINLY CAN STOP THE

REGULATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO

TAKE FOOD OUT OF THE MOUTHS OF

CHILDREN AND THE SNAP PROGRAM,

THE SUPPLEMENTARY NUTRITION

PROGRAM FOR POOR KIDS.

WE'VE GOT TO STOP SOME OF THIS

CRAZINESS THAT -- REAL EVIL

POLICIES THAT ARE GOING ON.

SO WE CAN STOP SOME THINGS.

LOOK, I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF

THE NEW REPUBLICANS THAT ARE

COMING IN.

THEY WANT TO GET SOME THINGS

DONE, TOO.

>> BONNIE: HOW LONG DO YOU

THINK IT WILL TAKE TO REPEAL --

TO UNDUE THE DAMAGE THAT

PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS DONE ON THE

ENVIRONMENT, ON HEALTH CARE, ET

CETERA?

>> DONNA: WE HAVE A COUPLE OF

YEARS TO TRY TO GET SOME THINGS

DONE.

LET ME TELL YOU, WHEN I BECAME

SECRETARY OF HHS, IT TOOK US A

MONTH TO REVERSE A LOT OF THE

THINGS INCLUDING WOMEN'S RIGHTS

AND REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS.

WE SIMPLY HANDED THE PRESIDENT

A BUNCH OF EXECUTIVE ORDERS AND

WE PASSED LEGISLATION, DOUBLED

THE EARNED INCOME -- THE EARNED

INCOME TAX CREDIT.

SO WITH THE RIGHT CAPITAL

OFFICERS AND RIGHT PRESIDENT,

WE CAN RIGHT SOME OF THESE

THINGS.

SOME OF IT IS DAMAGE THAT WILL

LIVE WITH US FOR A VERY LONG

TIME.

PARTICULARLY OUR REPUTATION

AROUND THE WORLD.

PARTICULARLY WHAT WE'RE DOING

WITH IMMIGRANTS.

HERE IS THE PROBLEM WITH

IMMIGRANTS AND WITH

UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF UNDOCUMENTED

PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR

20 YEARS.

THEIR CHILDREN ARE AMERICANS.

THEY'RE NOW SCARED TO DEATH TO

REGISTER THEIR CHILDREN FOR

MEDICAID, FOR THE CHILDREN'S

HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN, FOR

SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITION

ASSISTANTS, FOR FOOD STAMPS,

FOR FREE SCHOOL LUNCHES.

THEY'RE WORKING EVERY DAY AND

TRYING TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR

FAMILIES.

THEIR KIDS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR

THESE PROGRAMS.

WHO IN THIS COUNTRY WANTS A

MILLION KIDS WITHOUT HEALTH

CARE COVERAGE BECAUSE THEIR

PARENTS ARE AFRAID TO REGISTER

THEM BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY'LL

BE SENT OUT OF THE COUNTRY.

THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS.

WE'RE NOT THAT KIND OF COUNTRY.

>> BONNIE: IT WILL BE VERY

INTERESTING DO WATCH YOU IN THE

HOUSE AND TO SEE WHAT YOU CAN

DO, YOU KNOW, AS A LEGISLATIVE

AND HEAVYWEIGHT AND A FORMER

CABINET SECRETARY.

WE'LL BE WATCHING YOU CLOSELY

AND TALKING TO YOU A LOT, I

HOPE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH,

REPRESENTATIVE SHALAL.

>> DONNA: THANK YOU SO MUCH,

BONNIE.

GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> BONNIE: THAT IS IT FOR THIS

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