1 00:00:00,533 --> 00:00:02,133 >> Bonnie: ARE THE GOOD OLD 2 00:00:02,133 --> 00:00:03,766 BOYS IN THE GRAND OLD PARTY 3 00:00:03,766 --> 00:00:04,633 SEXIST AS THEY TRIED TO BATTLE 4 00:00:04,633 --> 00:00:06,000 THE HIGHEST-RANKING WOMAN IN 5 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,000 GOP LEADERSHIP? 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:12,866 THEN VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS 7 00:00:12,866 --> 00:00:13,633 UNVEILS HER STRATEGY FOR 8 00:00:13,633 --> 00:00:16,866 CENTRAL AMERICA AS SHE TRIES TO 9 00:00:16,866 --> 00:00:18,366 CURB A SURGE OF IMMIGRATION ON 10 00:00:18,366 --> 00:00:19,166 THE SOUTHERN BORDER. 11 00:00:19,166 --> 00:00:21,133 BEHIND THE HEADLINES: MOTHER'S 12 00:00:21,133 --> 00:00:25,200 DAY WORDS OF WISDOM FROM Eartha 13 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:26,933 Kitt AND HER DAUGHTER, Kitt 14 00:00:26,933 --> 00:00:31,600 Shapiro. 15 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:49,566 [MUSIC] >> Bonnie: HELLO. 16 00:00:49,566 --> 00:00:50,066 I AM BONNIE ERBE. 17 00:00:50,066 --> 00:00:51,700 WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY", A 18 00:00:51,700 --> 00:00:52,566 WEEKLY DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND 19 00:00:52,566 --> 00:00:55,100 SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE 20 00:00:55,100 --> 00:00:55,533 PERSPECTIVES. 21 00:00:55,533 --> 00:01:02,766 UP FIRST, ARE THE GOB'S -- GOOD 22 00:01:02,766 --> 00:01:08,633 OLD BOYS -- IN THE GOP SEXIST? 23 00:01:08,633 --> 00:01:10,766 U.S. REPRESENTATIVE LIZ CHENEY 24 00:01:10,766 --> 00:01:11,400 IS STANDING FIRM DESPITE 25 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:12,266 MOUNTING PRESSURE FROM OTHER 26 00:01:12,266 --> 00:01:13,133 REPUBLICANS TO KICK HER OUT AS 27 00:01:13,133 --> 00:01:14,500 CHAIR OF THE HOUSE GOP 28 00:01:14,500 --> 00:01:15,200 CONFERENCE. THAT'S THE THIRD 29 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,166 RANKING POSITION IN PARTY 30 00:01:17,166 --> 00:01:20,366 LEADERSHIP, HER LIKELY 31 00:01:20,366 --> 00:01:21,833 REPLACEMENT CONGRESSWOMAN ELISE 32 00:01:21,833 --> 00:01:23,266 STEFANIK OF NEW YORK CHENEY IS 33 00:01:23,266 --> 00:01:24,533 UNDER FIRE FOR HER CRITICISM OF 34 00:01:24,533 --> 00:01:26,166 FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S LIES 35 00:01:26,166 --> 00:01:27,200 ABOUT THE ELECTION. SHE WAS 36 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:28,133 ALSO ONE OF 10 REPUBLICANS WHO 37 00:01:28,133 --> 00:01:34,900 VOTED FOR HIS IMPEACHMENT THIS 38 00:01:34,900 --> 00:01:35,966 YEAR. STEFANIK IS A TRUMP 39 00:01:35,966 --> 00:01:37,733 SUPPORTER AND IS CREDITED WITH 40 00:01:37,733 --> 00:01:39,533 GETTING MORE REPUBLICAN WOMEN 41 00:01:39,533 --> 00:01:40,266 ELECTED TO CONGRESS. BUT 42 00:01:40,266 --> 00:01:41,933 STEFANIK IS MORE OF A MODERATE 43 00:01:41,933 --> 00:01:44,100 THAN CHENEY, WHO IS THE 44 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:46,700 DAUGHTER OF VICE PRESIDENT DICK 45 00:01:46,700 --> 00:01:48,066 CHENEY. WITH US TODAY ARE DC 46 00:01:48,066 --> 00:01:49,500 DELEGATE CONGRESSWOMAN ELEANOR 47 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:50,866 HOLMES NORTON; FORMER JUDGE AND 48 00:01:50,866 --> 00:01:52,766 FEDERAL PROSECUTOR, DEBORAH 49 00:01:52,766 --> 00:01:54,233 CARNAHAN; REPUBLICAN 50 00:01:54,233 --> 00:01:56,133 STRATEGIST, RINA SHAH BHARARA; 51 00:01:56,133 --> 00:01:58,333 AND CARRIE SHEFFIELD, SENIOR 52 00:01:58,333 --> 00:02:00,100 FELLOW AT THE INDEPENDENT 53 00:02:00,100 --> 00:02:03,366 WOMEN'S FORUM. SO WHAT IS GOING 54 00:02:03,366 --> 00:02:04,200 ON HERE, RINA? 55 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:05,700 ARE THESE GUYS SEXIST, OR IS 56 00:02:05,700 --> 00:02:07,866 LIZ CHENEY JUST SPEAKING OUT A 57 00:02:07,866 --> 00:02:13,833 BIT TOO MUCH AGAINST TRUMP? 58 00:02:13,833 --> 00:02:19,800 >> Rina: BONNIE, I DON'T THINK 59 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:20,633 THIS ACTUALLY HAS TO DO WITH 60 00:02:20,633 --> 00:02:21,500 SEX, THOUGH I THINK THIS IS THE 61 00:02:21,500 --> 00:02:22,533 FACT, THAT SHE'S TAKEN A 62 00:02:22,533 --> 00:02:23,666 TOTALLY DIFFERENT LINE THAN 63 00:02:23,666 --> 00:02:24,333 THEY HAVE. PUBLICLY SHE'S 64 00:02:24,333 --> 00:02:25,166 SAYING IN PUBLIC WHAT MOST ARE 65 00:02:25,166 --> 00:02:26,000 WHISPERING IN PRIVATE. AND 66 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,266 THAT'S POLITICALLY INCONVENIENT 67 00:02:27,266 --> 00:02:28,266 TO TODAY'S GOP, ESPECIALLY WHEN 68 00:02:28,266 --> 00:02:30,900 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSE 69 00:02:30,900 --> 00:02:33,866 LEADERSHIP, THEY NEED TO SEEM 70 00:02:33,866 --> 00:02:35,133 UNITED. SHE'S MADE IT VERY 71 00:02:35,133 --> 00:02:36,400 DIFFICULT FOR LEADER McCARTHY 72 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,266 TO ESSENTIALLY MAKE IT SEEM TO 73 00:02:38,266 --> 00:02:39,533 NOT JUST THE DEMOCRATS, BUT TO 74 00:02:39,533 --> 00:02:41,200 THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WRIT LARGE, 75 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,233 THAT EVERYTHING IS FINE AND 76 00:02:44,233 --> 00:02:45,933 WELL AND THAT THIS GOP IS 77 00:02:45,933 --> 00:02:46,800 HEALTHY AND LOOKING FORWARD TO 78 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:53,066 THE FUTURE AS WELL AS TO 2024. 79 00:02:53,066 --> 00:02:54,233 YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS ELEANOR? 80 00:02:54,233 --> 00:02:55,233 ARE THEY PICKING ON HER BECAUSE 81 00:02:55,233 --> 00:02:56,166 SHE'S A WOMAN OR ESPECIALLY 82 00:02:56,166 --> 00:02:57,466 PICKING ON HER GOING TOO HARD? 83 00:02:57,466 --> 00:02:58,333 LIKE AN OUTSPOKEN WOMAN WHO 84 00:02:58,333 --> 00:03:03,666 DOESN'T AGREE WITH THEM? 85 00:03:03,933 --> 00:03:04,633 BEFORE THEY ARE VERY AFRAID 86 00:03:04,633 --> 00:03:05,533 THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WILL 87 00:03:05,533 --> 00:03:07,400 BE PERCEIVED. 88 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:08,333 AND SO WHAT THEY ARE DOING NOW 89 00:03:08,333 --> 00:03:09,633 IS REPLACING HER WITH ANOTHER 90 00:03:09,633 --> 00:03:13,833 WOMAN TO TRY AND AUGMENT THAT 91 00:03:13,833 --> 00:03:17,866 CRITICISM AND REPRESENTATIVE 92 00:03:17,866 --> 00:03:18,766 STEFANIcK FROM NEW YORK, WHOSE 93 00:03:18,766 --> 00:03:21,366 ANOTHER WOMAN, WOULD BE THERE 94 00:03:21,366 --> 00:03:27,033 RESPONSE TO THE SEXISM 95 00:03:27,033 --> 00:03:27,866 ALLEGATION THAT IS BOUND TO BE 96 00:03:27,866 --> 00:03:29,033 LEVELED AGAINST THEM BECAUSE 97 00:03:29,033 --> 00:03:30,833 THEY HAVE AN ALL-MALE 98 00:03:30,833 --> 00:03:31,233 LEADERSHIP. 99 00:03:31,233 --> 00:03:36,466 >> Bonnie: DEBRA CARNAHAN, 100 00:03:36,466 --> 00:03:37,233 WOULD YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, 101 00:03:37,233 --> 00:03:40,600 SEXIST OR NOT SEXIST? 102 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:41,533 >> Debra: I AGREE WITH ELEANOR 103 00:03:41,533 --> 00:03:42,833 AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT THEY 104 00:03:42,833 --> 00:03:44,966 ARE LOOKING AT THIS CONGRESS 105 00:03:44,966 --> 00:03:46,433 WOMAN WHO REALLY IS MORE OF A 106 00:03:46,433 --> 00:03:47,800 MODERATE THAN LIZ CHENEY AND 107 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,100 VOTED MORE AGAINST DONALD 108 00:03:50,100 --> 00:03:50,400 TRUMP. 109 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:55,900 THIS IS ALL ABOUT TRUMP'S HIM. 110 00:03:55,900 --> 00:03:56,833 THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE GOP BEING 111 00:03:56,833 --> 00:03:58,466 TERRIFIED IN PRIMARIES IN 2022. 112 00:03:58,466 --> 00:04:03,400 THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT. 113 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:04,300 IT ALSO GOES BACK TO DONALD 114 00:04:04,300 --> 00:04:05,066 TRUMP. 115 00:04:05,066 --> 00:04:05,833 THE ONLY AGENDA THAT I CAN TELL 116 00:04:05,833 --> 00:04:06,833 THAT THE GOP HAS AT THIS POINT 117 00:04:06,833 --> 00:04:10,800 IS STILL DONALD TRUMP, DO WHAT 118 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,633 DONALD TRUMP WANTS THEM TO DO. 119 00:04:12,633 --> 00:04:13,466 >> Bonnie: WELL, THAT'S TRUE 120 00:04:13,466 --> 00:04:17,000 OF THE VAST MAJORITY, CORRECT. 121 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,200 BUT THERE ARE SOME STANDING UP 122 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:18,933 AND SHE IS ONE OF THEM, SAYING 123 00:04:18,933 --> 00:04:24,833 THAT TRUMP LIED ABOUT THE 124 00:04:24,833 --> 00:04:25,666 ELECTION, HE DID NOT WIN THE 125 00:04:25,666 --> 00:04:26,033 ELECTION. 126 00:04:26,033 --> 00:04:27,133 IS JUST TRYING TO STIR UP 127 00:04:27,133 --> 00:04:28,000 VIOLENCE AND DESTRUCTION IN THE 128 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,566 NATION'S CAPITOL. 129 00:04:32,566 --> 00:04:33,366 >> Debra: AND SHE IS RIGHT, 130 00:04:33,366 --> 00:04:35,433 AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM. 131 00:04:35,433 --> 00:04:36,133 IT IS ANTI-TRUMP. 132 00:04:36,133 --> 00:04:36,733 IT'S TELLING THE TRUTH. 133 00:04:36,733 --> 00:04:37,633 AND DONALD TRUMP HAS NEVER 134 00:04:37,633 --> 00:04:39,966 CARED ABOUT THE TRUTH. 135 00:04:39,966 --> 00:04:41,100 WHAT HE CARES ABOUT IS, ARE YOU 136 00:04:41,100 --> 00:04:41,500 LOYAL TO ME? 137 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:42,633 THAT IS IS ONE CONDITION FOR 138 00:04:42,633 --> 00:04:46,966 EVERYBODY IN HIS ORBIT OR 139 00:04:46,966 --> 00:04:48,266 ANYONE THAT HE SUPPORTS. 140 00:04:48,266 --> 00:04:48,900 >> Bonnie: CARRIE, YOUR 141 00:04:48,900 --> 00:04:57,200 THOUGHTS -- STATED THAT HAS 142 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:58,433 BECOME THE CONDITION OF GOP. 143 00:04:58,433 --> 00:04:59,366 >> Bonnie: LET'S LET CARRIE IN 144 00:04:59,366 --> 00:05:00,733 HERE. 145 00:05:00,733 --> 00:05:01,633 CARRIE, WOULD YOU THINK? 146 00:05:01,633 --> 00:05:02,233 >> Carrie: SURE. 147 00:05:02,233 --> 00:05:03,033 WILL THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS 148 00:05:03,033 --> 00:05:04,233 THAT DONALD TRUMP IS NOW THE 149 00:05:04,233 --> 00:05:05,100 PRESIDENT AND I THINK THE MEDIA 150 00:05:05,100 --> 00:05:06,766 IS TRYING TO VERY MUCH DISTRACT 151 00:05:06,766 --> 00:05:08,200 THE NATIONAL AGENDA AWAY FROM 152 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:09,066 JOE BIDEN AND WHAT HE IS TRYING 153 00:05:09,066 --> 00:05:09,366 TO DO. 154 00:05:09,366 --> 00:05:10,400 HE'S TRYING TO FUNDAMENTALLY 155 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,366 RESTRUCTURE OUR ECONOMY WITH A 156 00:05:11,366 --> 00:05:12,400 $6 TRILLION SPENDING PLAN. 157 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:13,466 THAT WOULD CRIPPLE OUR COUNTRY 158 00:05:13,466 --> 00:05:16,600 WITH DEBT. 159 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,600 MY GENERATION, FUTURE BURDENS. 160 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:20,700 THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM AND WE 161 00:05:20,700 --> 00:05:21,733 ARE NOT TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE 162 00:05:21,733 --> 00:05:23,433 THE MEDIA WANTS US TO FOCUS ON 163 00:05:23,433 --> 00:05:24,366 THIS INTERPARTY -- 164 00:05:24,366 --> 00:05:25,533 >> Bonnie: YOU THINK THE ME 165 00:05:25,533 --> 00:05:29,433 TOO -- MEDIA ARE CONSPIRING? 166 00:05:29,433 --> 00:05:32,866 I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND 167 00:05:32,866 --> 00:05:33,800 CONSPIRING, AND CERTAINLY 168 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:34,666 EVERYONE WOULD AGREE WITH YOU 169 00:05:34,666 --> 00:05:35,833 THAT SPINNING THIS LARGE NEEDS 170 00:05:35,833 --> 00:05:37,200 TO BE DISCUSSED, IT NEEDS TO BE 171 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:38,066 DISCUSSED NOT ONLY BY BIDEN AND 172 00:05:38,066 --> 00:05:42,600 MEMBERS OF HIS ADMINISTRATION, 173 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:43,833 AND WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT 174 00:05:43,833 --> 00:05:45,566 THAT IN THE NEXT SEGMENT, BUT 175 00:05:45,566 --> 00:05:46,266 IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED 176 00:05:46,266 --> 00:05:48,366 BY THE VOTERS INTO REALLY SEE 177 00:05:48,366 --> 00:05:53,600 IF THERE ARE SOME CRITICAL OF 178 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:54,333 WHAT THE VOTERS WANT. 179 00:05:54,333 --> 00:05:55,200 LET'S GET BACK TO LIZ CHENEY 180 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,066 FOR A MOMENT. 181 00:05:59,066 --> 00:06:01,100 DO YOU THINK THAT SHE IS BEING 182 00:06:01,100 --> 00:06:01,766 SINGLED OUT FOR BEING A BIG 183 00:06:01,766 --> 00:06:02,200 MOUTH FEMALE? 184 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,100 >> Carrie: WELL, AT OUR 185 00:06:05,100 --> 00:06:06,200 ORGANIZATION, WERE NONPROFIT, 186 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,133 WE DON'T TAKE POLITICAL 187 00:06:08,133 --> 00:06:08,500 POSITIONS. 188 00:06:08,500 --> 00:06:09,666 BUT I DO THINK SHE'S IN A 189 00:06:09,666 --> 00:06:10,800 POSITION OF LEADERSHIP. 190 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,000 SO THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION 191 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,466 IS, AS A LEADER, SHE REFLECTED 192 00:06:15,466 --> 00:06:16,200 WITH THE MEMBERSHIP ONCE? 193 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:23,833 AND SO, I AGREE WITH RINA THAT 194 00:06:23,833 --> 00:06:25,033 POSITION, AND THAT IF SHE 195 00:06:25,033 --> 00:06:25,666 SPEAKING IN A WAY THAT'S 196 00:06:25,666 --> 00:06:26,600 DISTRACTING FROM TRYING TO HOLD 197 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:27,600 BIDEN ACCOUNTABLE, THEN THAT'S 198 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:27,966 A PROBLEM. 199 00:06:27,966 --> 00:06:33,400 AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO 200 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:34,533 FOCUSING ON THE ELECTION FOR 201 00:06:34,533 --> 00:06:35,400 2022 IN TERMS OF BEING VERY 202 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:36,300 POLICY FOCUSED, AND THAT'S 203 00:06:36,300 --> 00:06:37,133 REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO FOCUS 204 00:06:37,133 --> 00:06:38,433 ON, ISSUES LIKE SCHOOL CHOICE, 205 00:06:38,433 --> 00:06:40,166 ISSUES LIKE THE COVID RECOVERY, 206 00:06:40,166 --> 00:06:40,933 REOPENING SCHOOLS, 207 00:06:40,933 --> 00:06:42,466 CONSERVATIVES HAVE REALLY BEEN 208 00:06:42,466 --> 00:06:43,200 PUSHING AND PUSHING TO GET THE 209 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:44,200 SCHOOLS OPEN AND DEMOCRATS HAVE 210 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,200 BEEN DRAGGING THEIR FEET ALL 211 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:47,633 ALONG THE WAY. 212 00:06:47,633 --> 00:06:48,933 IN NEW YORK WHERE I'VE LIVED 213 00:06:48,933 --> 00:06:49,633 FOR 10 YEARS, WILL CUOMO HAS 214 00:06:49,633 --> 00:06:50,533 BEEN DOING THEIR -- I MEAN, SO 215 00:06:50,533 --> 00:06:56,966 I WANT TO TALK ABOUT POLICY AND 216 00:06:56,966 --> 00:07:00,000 DEMOCRATS WANT TO TALK ABOUT 217 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:00,566 INTERPARTY BICKERING. 218 00:07:00,566 --> 00:07:01,300 AND I JUST -- THAT'S A PROBLEM. 219 00:07:01,300 --> 00:07:02,233 >> Bonnie: ALL RIGHT -- 220 00:07:02,233 --> 00:07:03,200 >> Debra: CAN I SAY'S 221 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:04,666 SOMETHING IN RESPONSE TO THAT? 222 00:07:04,666 --> 00:07:05,600 THE ONLY THING THE GOP HAS 223 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,133 POINTED OUT WHERE SHE IS NOT IN 224 00:07:08,133 --> 00:07:09,133 LOCKSTEP WITH THE REST OF THE 225 00:07:09,133 --> 00:07:09,900 LEADERSHIP IS THE INSURRECTION 226 00:07:09,900 --> 00:07:11,100 ON JANUARY 6 AGAINST THE 227 00:07:11,100 --> 00:07:13,066 CAPITOL AND THE ELECTION 228 00:07:13,066 --> 00:07:15,733 RESULTS OF LAST YEAR THAT HAD 229 00:07:15,733 --> 00:07:18,266 JOE BIDEN WINNING AS PRESIDENT 230 00:07:18,266 --> 00:07:21,200 AND CLAIMS OF DONALD TRUMP, 231 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:22,033 THAT THE ELECTION WAS RIGGED 232 00:07:22,033 --> 00:07:24,433 AND STOLEN. 233 00:07:24,433 --> 00:07:25,233 THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THINGS 234 00:07:25,233 --> 00:07:28,800 WERE SHE DISAGREES WITH THEM. 235 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:29,700 NOW, IF THEY WANT TO POINT OUT 236 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:32,566 OTHER THINGS, OTHER POLICY 237 00:07:32,566 --> 00:07:33,433 MATTERS THAT SHE'S NOT SICK 238 00:07:33,433 --> 00:07:34,833 WITH THE LEADERSHIP, I'D REALLY 239 00:07:34,833 --> 00:07:37,766 BE HAPPY TO HEAR THEM. 240 00:07:37,766 --> 00:07:38,933 >> Carrie: A BIG WIN'S FOREIGN 241 00:07:38,933 --> 00:07:40,700 POLICY AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE 242 00:07:40,700 --> 00:07:41,466 POINTED THAT OUT, THAT THE 243 00:07:41,466 --> 00:07:42,700 DIRECTION WHERE THE REPUBLICAN 244 00:07:42,700 --> 00:07:45,700 PARTY HAS BEEN IS ACTUALLY I 245 00:07:45,700 --> 00:07:47,033 WOULD SAY MORE BIPARTISAN WITH 246 00:07:47,033 --> 00:07:47,833 WHAT JOE BIDEN IS DOING IN 247 00:07:47,833 --> 00:07:49,233 TERMS OF PULLING TROOPS OUT OF 248 00:07:49,233 --> 00:07:52,833 AFGHANISTAN -- 249 00:07:52,833 --> 00:07:54,266 >> Del. Norton: SHE HAS MORE 250 00:07:54,266 --> 00:07:55,033 THAN 90 PERCENT VOTING RECORD 251 00:07:55,033 --> 00:07:55,500 WITH REPUBLICAN! 252 00:07:55,500 --> 00:07:56,633 IT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN THESE 253 00:07:56,633 --> 00:07:57,533 ISSUES THAT TEST THE 254 00:07:57,533 --> 00:08:02,333 REPUBLICANS TO SEE WHETHER OR 255 00:08:02,333 --> 00:08:05,533 NOT THERE IS ANY CAPACITY OF 256 00:08:05,533 --> 00:08:09,233 THAT PARTY TO ABIDE ANYTHING 257 00:08:09,233 --> 00:08:13,600 BUT 100 PERCENT UNIFORMITY. 258 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,000 THAT IS WHAT THE TEST WILL BE. 259 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,633 LOOK, SHE SURVIVED IT ONCE. 260 00:08:20,633 --> 00:08:22,733 EVERYONE -- 261 00:08:22,733 --> 00:08:23,633 >> Bonnie: SHE SURVIVED IT 262 00:08:23,633 --> 00:08:24,900 ONCE, BUT FIRST OF ALL, WE ALL 263 00:08:24,900 --> 00:08:30,600 CONSUME -- CAN ASSUME THAT 264 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:31,300 ELISE STEFANIK WILL TAKE HER 265 00:08:31,300 --> 00:08:32,500 PLACE, THAT SHE IS INDEED GOING 266 00:08:32,500 --> 00:08:33,100 TO BE VOTED OUT OF HER 267 00:08:33,100 --> 00:08:34,233 LEADERSHIP POSITION, THEN WHAT 268 00:08:34,233 --> 00:08:34,700 HAPPENS TO HER? 269 00:08:34,700 --> 00:08:35,466 I MEAN, DO WE ASSUME ABOUT 270 00:08:35,466 --> 00:08:39,500 ELISE STEFANIK, AND LIZ CHENEY 271 00:08:39,500 --> 00:08:41,300 HAS TO GO BACK TO YOUR AND A 272 00:08:41,300 --> 00:08:42,266 HALF FROM NOW TO WYOMING AND 273 00:08:42,266 --> 00:08:43,800 TRY TO GET REELECTED, WILL 274 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:48,933 HAPPEN TO HER THEN? 275 00:08:48,933 --> 00:08:49,833 >> Del. Norton: THEY CERTAINLY 276 00:08:49,833 --> 00:08:51,100 IMPERIL HER ELECTION IF THEY 277 00:08:51,100 --> 00:08:52,033 DEPRIVE HER OF HER LEADERSHIP. 278 00:08:52,033 --> 00:08:52,933 LET'S LOOK WHAT WE ARE HAVING 279 00:08:52,933 --> 00:08:54,233 HERE: STEFANIK IS FROM NEW 280 00:08:54,233 --> 00:08:58,833 YORK, A FAR MORE LIBERAL, IF I 281 00:08:58,833 --> 00:09:03,600 CAN USE THAT WORD, REPUBLICAN 282 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,566 THAN WHOM SHE WOULD REPLACE. 283 00:09:07,566 --> 00:09:09,733 SOME REPUBLICANS ARE AT WAR 284 00:09:09,733 --> 00:09:10,533 WITH THEMSELVES AND CANNOT 285 00:09:10,533 --> 00:09:11,700 FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY STAND AND 286 00:09:11,700 --> 00:09:17,800 WHAT KIND OF PARTY THEY ARE. 287 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:18,933 >> Rina: WELL, AT LEAST 288 00:09:18,933 --> 00:09:19,766 STEFANIK HAS DONE A 289 00:09:19,766 --> 00:09:20,300 TRANSFORMATION. 290 00:09:20,300 --> 00:09:21,600 SHE WENT FROM BEING VERY 291 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:22,733 LUKEWARM MODERATE ABOUT TRUMP 292 00:09:22,733 --> 00:09:23,400 TO FULL ON SHOWING HERSELF 293 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:24,100 DURING THE FIRST IMPEACHMENT 294 00:09:24,100 --> 00:09:24,833 TRIAL AND THAT SHE WAS VERY, 295 00:09:24,833 --> 00:09:28,633 VERY -- I PARTICULARLY THOUGHT 296 00:09:28,633 --> 00:09:29,500 BECAUSE I SPENT TIME WITH HER, 297 00:09:29,500 --> 00:09:31,600 SHE LOOKED LIKE SHE WAS 298 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:32,433 AUDITIONING FOR LEADERSHIP. 299 00:09:32,433 --> 00:09:34,033 LOOK, SHE'S GOING TO BE 300 00:09:34,033 --> 00:09:34,833 SUCCESSFUL. 301 00:09:34,833 --> 00:09:35,566 AND THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH 302 00:09:35,566 --> 00:09:36,233 SORT OF THE OPTICS FOR THE 303 00:09:36,233 --> 00:09:36,566 FUTURE. 304 00:09:36,566 --> 00:09:43,833 THEY LIKE ALWAYS NOT JUST NOW 305 00:09:43,833 --> 00:09:44,566 BECAUSE SHE'S A TRUMP 306 00:09:44,566 --> 00:09:45,333 FOOTSOLDIER, BUT SHE'S A 307 00:09:45,333 --> 00:09:45,733 MILLENNIAL. 308 00:09:45,733 --> 00:09:46,200 SHE'S UNDER 40. 309 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:55,133 AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT DEM 310 00:09:55,133 --> 00:09:56,300 LEADERSHIP, IT'S ALL 70, 80+. 311 00:09:56,300 --> 00:09:56,900 SO THIS REPLACEMENT IS 312 00:09:56,900 --> 00:09:58,066 SOMETHING I THINK REPUBLICAN 313 00:09:58,066 --> 00:09:58,866 LEADERSHIP WILL EMBRACE AND 314 00:09:58,866 --> 00:10:00,000 LOVE AND LIZ CHENEY, SHE'S 315 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:00,766 PUTTING COUNTRY OVER PARTY. 316 00:10:00,766 --> 00:10:03,500 SHE EASILY COULD HAVE RUN FOR 317 00:10:03,500 --> 00:10:04,200 SENATE AND HOW TO CLOSE COZY 318 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:04,600 SENATE SEAT. 319 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:05,533 AND SHE IS CHOSEN TO DO THIS 320 00:10:05,533 --> 00:10:08,066 NOW BECAUSE SHE FEELS SOMETHING 321 00:10:08,066 --> 00:10:09,300 SERIOUS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE 322 00:10:09,300 --> 00:10:10,166 COUNTRY, BUT THE FUTURE OF OUR 323 00:10:10,166 --> 00:10:12,566 REPUBLIC WITH WHAT DEMOCRACY IS 324 00:10:12,566 --> 00:10:13,133 IN THE UNITED STATES. 325 00:10:13,133 --> 00:10:13,800 STEFANIK IS LOOKING AT THE 326 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:14,533 BRIGHT LIGHTS, THE LAW OF 327 00:10:14,533 --> 00:10:15,400 BROADWAY IF YOU ASK ME, AND 328 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,366 SORT OF THE DRAWBACK, THE POWER 329 00:10:16,366 --> 00:10:17,933 THAT THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP 330 00:10:17,933 --> 00:10:19,800 SEEMS TO SEE THEIR BASE OF 331 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:20,533 VOTERS LOVE ABOUT TRUMP, EVEN 332 00:10:20,533 --> 00:10:20,900 THOUGH -- 333 00:10:20,900 --> 00:10:22,033 >> Bonnie: WHAT DO WE KNOW 334 00:10:22,033 --> 00:10:27,800 ABOUT THE PERSON WHO REPUBLICAN 335 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,033 S WHO ARE GOING TO BE PUT UP 336 00:10:29,033 --> 00:10:33,933 AGAINST HER, WHICH WILL BE 337 00:10:33,933 --> 00:10:34,800 PRO-TRUMP, AND HOW IS BACK ON A 338 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,133 PLANE WYOMING?OU KNOW, USED 339 00:10:36,133 --> 00:10:37,133 TO BE SORT OF A LOW-INCOME 340 00:10:37,133 --> 00:10:37,433 STATE. 341 00:10:37,433 --> 00:10:38,400 OF COURSE WITH JACKSON HOLE AND 342 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:39,100 ALL THAT DEVELOPMENT IN 343 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:43,600 BILLIONAIRES MOVING IN THERE, 344 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:44,466 IT'S NO LONGER OVERWORKED -- 345 00:10:44,466 --> 00:10:45,733 YOU KNOW, BECAUSE HUGE MONEY IN 346 00:10:45,733 --> 00:10:49,466 JACKSON HOLE HAS SKEWED THE 347 00:10:49,466 --> 00:10:50,866 ECONOMIC PICTURE OF THE STATE. 348 00:10:50,866 --> 00:10:52,566 BUT WHAT YOU THINK IS GOING TO 349 00:10:52,566 --> 00:10:52,900 HAPPEN? 350 00:10:52,900 --> 00:10:57,966 WILL THERE BE ENOUGH EDUCATED 351 00:10:57,966 --> 00:11:02,166 REPUBLICANS WHO ARE GOING TO -- 352 00:11:02,166 --> 00:11:10,833 MORE SWING CERTAINLY IN POLLS 353 00:11:10,833 --> 00:11:12,233 MORE LIKELY TO BE ANTI-TRUMP 354 00:11:12,233 --> 00:11:12,800 AND OTHER REPUBLICANS? 355 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:13,500 >> Rina: I PERSONALLY DON'T 356 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:14,566 THINK LIZ CHENEY CARES IF SHE'S 357 00:11:14,566 --> 00:11:14,933 REELECTED. 358 00:11:14,933 --> 00:11:15,966 SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE'S DOING. 359 00:11:15,966 --> 00:11:21,000 I THINK SHE WILL CONTINUE TO 360 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,933 SPEAK OUT, THAT SHE'S PUTTING 361 00:11:22,933 --> 00:11:23,800 HERSELF AT RISK AT NOT COMING 362 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:24,666 BACK AND THAT'S FINE WITH HER 363 00:11:24,666 --> 00:11:26,933 BECAUSE THAT'S A RISK YOU TAKE 364 00:11:26,933 --> 00:11:27,633 WHEN YOU SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER. 365 00:11:27,633 --> 00:11:28,433 IN HER TRUTH TO POWER IS REALLY 366 00:11:28,433 --> 00:11:28,700 FAX. 367 00:11:28,700 --> 00:11:29,833 >> Bonnie: FROM THE POLITICS 368 00:11:29,833 --> 00:11:30,733 OF THE PERSONAL TO THE SOUTHERN 369 00:11:30,733 --> 00:11:32,200 BORDER STRATEGY: VP KAMALA 370 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:32,900 HARRIS LAID OUT THE 371 00:11:32,900 --> 00:11:33,633 ADMINISTRATION'S PLAN TO STOP 372 00:11:33,633 --> 00:11:34,900 THE SURGE OF MIGRATION FROM THE 373 00:11:34,900 --> 00:11:36,166 NORTHERN TRIANGLE OF CENTRAL 374 00:11:36,166 --> 00:11:37,800 AMERICA. 375 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,533 HARRIS'S HIGHEST PROFILE TASK 376 00:11:39,533 --> 00:11:46,900 IS TO TACKLE THE IMMIGRATION 377 00:11:46,900 --> 00:11:47,200 ISSUE. 378 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:47,933 AND SHE SAYS IN ORDER TO BRING 379 00:11:47,933 --> 00:11:48,733 CHANGE, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON 380 00:11:48,733 --> 00:11:50,100 BOTH THE ROOT CAUSES AND ACUTE 381 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:51,900 PROBLEMS CAUSING THE SITUATION. 382 00:11:51,900 --> 00:11:55,433 ROOT CAUSES SUCH AS CORRUPTION, 383 00:11:55,433 --> 00:11:56,766 POVERTY AND VIOLENCE, INCLUDING 384 00:11:56,766 --> 00:11:59,700 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, AND ACUTE 385 00:11:59,700 --> 00:12:00,666 PROBLEMS LIKE NATURAL DISASTERS 386 00:12:00,666 --> 00:12:01,866 AND CLIMATE CHANGE. 387 00:12:01,866 --> 00:12:03,833 AN ADDITIONAL $310 MILLION 388 00:12:03,833 --> 00:12:06,400 WOULD BE ALLOCATED TO TACKLE 389 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,066 THE PROBLEM. 390 00:12:09,066 --> 00:12:09,966 HARRIS PLANS TO VISIT MEXICO 391 00:12:09,966 --> 00:12:12,500 AND THE REGION NEXT MONTH. 392 00:12:12,500 --> 00:12:13,700 ALL RIGHT. 393 00:12:13,700 --> 00:12:15,766 CARRIE, DO YOU THINK KAMALA 394 00:12:15,766 --> 00:12:22,000 HARRIS'S PLAN IS GOING TO WORK? 395 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,166 >> Carrie: WELL, WHEN SHE SAID 396 00:12:23,166 --> 00:12:24,166 THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS A BIG 397 00:12:24,166 --> 00:12:27,166 PROBLEM AND A DRIVING FACTOR 398 00:12:27,166 --> 00:12:28,066 FOR WHAT WE SEE MORE IMMIGRANTS 399 00:12:28,066 --> 00:12:29,366 COMING UP FROM CENTRAL AMERICA, 400 00:12:29,366 --> 00:12:30,266 BUT THE REALITY IS IT'S BECAUSE 401 00:12:30,266 --> 00:12:33,933 OF WHAT PRESIDENT BIDEN DID, 402 00:12:33,933 --> 00:12:34,766 AND I'M OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER 403 00:12:34,766 --> 00:12:35,800 A TIME WHEN DEMOCRATS WERE SO 404 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,566 UPSET ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S 405 00:12:37,566 --> 00:12:38,266 EXECUTIVE ORDERS, WHICH WERE 406 00:12:38,266 --> 00:12:38,966 FAR FEWER THAN WHAT JOE BIDEN 407 00:12:38,966 --> 00:12:41,633 HAS DONE, AND PRESIDENT BIDEN 408 00:12:41,633 --> 00:12:44,433 HAS SO FAR JUST WITHIN HIS 409 00:12:44,433 --> 00:12:45,166 FIRST, YOU KNOW, EFFORTS SIGNED 410 00:12:45,166 --> 00:12:46,033 AT LEAST 10 EXECUTIVE ACTIONS 411 00:12:46,033 --> 00:12:46,500 ON IMMIGRATION. 412 00:12:46,500 --> 00:12:49,700 HE UNDID THE MEXICO, REMAIN IN 413 00:12:49,700 --> 00:12:53,700 MEXICO POLICY AND THAT'S WHAT 414 00:12:53,700 --> 00:12:54,900 BASICALLY THREW OPEN THE DOOR 415 00:12:54,900 --> 00:12:55,500 AND INVITED ALL THESE 416 00:12:55,500 --> 00:12:56,766 IMMIGRANTS TO COME. 417 00:12:56,766 --> 00:12:57,966 WE HAVE SEEN RECORD NUMBERS OF 418 00:12:57,966 --> 00:13:01,833 CHILDREN COMING OVER 419 00:13:01,833 --> 00:13:03,000 UNACCOMPANIED THAT WE HAVE NOT 420 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:03,733 SEEN BEFORE EVER IN THE HISTORY 421 00:13:03,733 --> 00:13:08,266 OF THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE OF 422 00:13:08,266 --> 00:13:08,900 THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. 423 00:13:08,900 --> 00:13:10,433 AND IT'S TAKEN HIM MONTHS TO 424 00:13:10,433 --> 00:13:11,133 ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WHAT WE HAVE 425 00:13:11,133 --> 00:13:11,866 IS A CRISIS AT THE BORDER, THE 426 00:13:11,866 --> 00:13:12,833 VICE PRESIDENT STILL REFUSES TO 427 00:13:12,833 --> 00:13:14,966 GO DOWN THERE. 428 00:13:14,966 --> 00:13:15,766 AND I WAS JUST LOOKING AT A NEW 429 00:13:15,766 --> 00:13:17,900 POLL FROM HARVARD AND HARRIS 430 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:18,833 ASK THAT SAYS THE AMERICAN 431 00:13:18,833 --> 00:13:19,866 PEOPLE WANT HER TO GO DOWN 432 00:13:19,866 --> 00:13:20,600 THERE AND THEY WANT JOE BIDEN 433 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,400 TO GO DOWN THERE. 434 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:25,800 AND YOU CAN RENAME SOMETHING 435 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:26,300 HOWEVER YOU WANT. 436 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:27,033 THEY HAVE TRIED BUT FANCY NAMES 437 00:13:27,033 --> 00:13:32,600 ON THE HOLDING FACILITIES. 438 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:33,900 THEY ARE THE SAME HOLDING 439 00:13:33,900 --> 00:13:34,300 FACILITIES. 440 00:13:34,300 --> 00:13:35,066 THEY ARE DOING THE SAME 441 00:13:35,066 --> 00:13:35,733 POLICIES, IN SOME RESPECTS. 442 00:13:35,733 --> 00:13:36,933 THEY ARE PICKING AND CHOOSING 443 00:13:36,933 --> 00:13:38,500 WHAT THEY WANT TO HIGHLIGHT. 444 00:13:38,500 --> 00:13:39,066 BUT WHEN IT COMES TO 445 00:13:39,066 --> 00:13:39,800 INCENTIVIZING THESE IMMIGRANTS 446 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,133 TO COME, THAT IS THE TRUE 447 00:13:41,133 --> 00:13:41,666 FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM. 448 00:13:41,666 --> 00:13:42,233 >> Bonnie: ALL RIGHT. 449 00:13:42,233 --> 00:13:44,166 ELEANOR, I WAS LISTENING TO HER 450 00:13:44,166 --> 00:13:44,833 SPEECH AS SHE GAVE IT LIVE. 451 00:13:44,833 --> 00:13:46,500 IN TWO THINGS STUCK OUT: THE 452 00:13:46,500 --> 00:13:51,066 FIRST ONE I WOULD ASK YOU 453 00:13:51,066 --> 00:13:52,533 ABOUT, WHEN SHE SAID WE ARE 454 00:13:52,533 --> 00:13:53,266 GOING TO STOP DOMESTIC VIOLENCE 455 00:13:53,266 --> 00:13:56,266 IN THESE THREE NORTHERN CENTRAL 456 00:13:56,266 --> 00:13:57,500 AMERICAN BORDER COUNTRIES, I 457 00:13:57,500 --> 00:14:00,733 THOUGHT TO MYSELF, YOU CAN'T 458 00:14:00,733 --> 00:14:03,866 EVEN FIX IT IN THE U.S. AND 459 00:14:03,866 --> 00:14:04,566 YOU'RE GOING TO FIX IT IN THE 460 00:14:04,566 --> 00:14:08,366 FOREIGN COUNTRIES? 461 00:14:08,366 --> 00:14:09,666 >> Del. Norton: I MUST SAY I 462 00:14:09,666 --> 00:14:10,433 HAVE NOT HEARD THAT ONE. 463 00:14:10,433 --> 00:14:11,166 OMESTIC VIOLENCE, WE 464 00:14:11,166 --> 00:14:13,033 UNDERSTAND NOT ONLY TO BE A 465 00:14:13,033 --> 00:14:16,533 PROBLEM IN THE UNITED STATES, 466 00:14:16,533 --> 00:14:17,933 BUT MORE OF A PROBLEM IN THESE 467 00:14:17,933 --> 00:14:18,300 COUNTRIES. 468 00:14:18,300 --> 00:14:21,100 BUT THAT'S NOT THE STEM REASON 469 00:14:21,100 --> 00:14:24,266 PEOPLE ARE FLEEING. 470 00:14:24,266 --> 00:14:27,733 CLIMATE CHANGE IS A LOT TO DO 471 00:14:27,733 --> 00:14:28,633 WITH -- CORRUPTION HAS MORE TO 472 00:14:28,633 --> 00:14:29,500 DO WITH IT THAN ANYTHING ELSE. 473 00:14:29,500 --> 00:14:30,800 IN THE NOTION THAT THE UNITED 474 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,500 STATES CAN FIX PROBLEMS IN 475 00:14:33,500 --> 00:14:36,000 CENTRAL AMERICA SEEMS TO ME TO 476 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,166 BE FAR-FETCHED. 477 00:14:38,166 --> 00:14:43,700 THEY ARE PROPOSING A FUND THAT 478 00:14:43,700 --> 00:14:45,466 WOULD DISCOURAGE AMERICAN 479 00:14:45,466 --> 00:14:48,566 COMPANIES FROM CORRUPTION -- 480 00:14:48,566 --> 00:14:50,566 DEALING WITH CORRUPT 481 00:14:50,566 --> 00:14:50,966 GOVERNMENTS. 482 00:14:50,966 --> 00:14:53,300 BUT FRANKLY, I THINK BOTH 483 00:14:53,300 --> 00:14:56,933 ADMINISTRATIONS, MY OWN 484 00:14:56,933 --> 00:14:58,033 DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION, AND 485 00:14:58,033 --> 00:15:00,133 THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, HAVE 486 00:15:00,133 --> 00:15:03,066 BEEN GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES 487 00:15:03,066 --> 00:15:03,833 AND THAT'S WHAT THE VICE 488 00:15:03,833 --> 00:15:04,700 PRESIDENT IS DOING, WHICH IS 489 00:15:04,700 --> 00:15:05,933 TRYING TO DEAL ON THE GROUND 490 00:15:05,933 --> 00:15:07,700 WITH THOSE COMPANIES, IS THE 491 00:15:07,700 --> 00:15:10,866 BEST CASE NOW FOR TRYING TO 492 00:15:10,866 --> 00:15:11,533 TURN THIS AROUND. 493 00:15:11,533 --> 00:15:16,566 >> Bonnie: BUT DON'T YOU -- 494 00:15:16,566 --> 00:15:17,400 DEBRA, LET ME GO TO YOU.O 495 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,166 YOU THINK THIS IS A CLASSIC 496 00:15:20,166 --> 00:15:21,100 CASE OF BITING OFF WAY MORE 497 00:15:21,100 --> 00:15:27,100 THAN YOU CAN CHEW? 498 00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:27,966 I MEAN, IF YOU CAN'T STOP 499 00:15:27,966 --> 00:15:29,300 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN YOUR OWN 500 00:15:29,300 --> 00:15:35,033 COUNTRY, OR EVEN COME CLOSE, 501 00:15:35,033 --> 00:15:36,866 ACTUALLY TRAFFICKING, YOU KNOW, 502 00:15:36,866 --> 00:15:37,466 WHICH LEADS TO DOMESTIC 503 00:15:37,466 --> 00:15:38,100 VIOLENCE OR IS A PRODUCT 504 00:15:38,100 --> 00:15:39,333 SOMETIMES OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, 505 00:15:39,333 --> 00:15:40,566 TRAFFICKING IN THIS COUNTRY IS 506 00:15:40,566 --> 00:15:41,300 A WAY UP OVER WHERE IT WAS 10 507 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:41,666 YEARS AGO. 508 00:15:41,666 --> 00:15:42,766 AND SHE'S TALKING ABOUT ENDING 509 00:15:42,766 --> 00:15:45,666 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SOMEWHERE 510 00:15:45,666 --> 00:15:50,333 ELSEO YOU THINK THE AVERAGE 511 00:15:50,333 --> 00:15:51,700 VOTER IS GOING TO LISTEN TO 512 00:15:51,700 --> 00:15:52,200 THAT AND SAY, WHY? 513 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:53,966 >> Debra: YEAH. 514 00:15:53,966 --> 00:15:56,200 I AM 100 PERCENT IN AGREEMENT 515 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:01,333 WITH YOU. 516 00:16:01,333 --> 00:16:02,766 IT IS A BROAD STROKE. 517 00:16:02,766 --> 00:16:03,433 AND WE DO NOT GET TOO BROAD. 518 00:16:03,433 --> 00:16:06,266 WE NEED TO FOCUS IN AND TAKE 519 00:16:06,266 --> 00:16:06,933 REALISTIC STEPS. 520 00:16:06,933 --> 00:16:08,300 NOW, WE CAN ENCOURAGE, WE CAN 521 00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:10,500 ENCOURAGE PROGRAMS. 522 00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:11,833 WE CAN PARTNER WITH, YOU KNOW, 523 00:16:11,833 --> 00:16:15,766 PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS LIKE WE 524 00:16:15,766 --> 00:16:16,700 HAVE DONE IN OTHER COUNTRIES, 525 00:16:16,700 --> 00:16:18,766 LIKE ETHIOPIA, TO STOP DOMESTIC 526 00:16:18,766 --> 00:16:19,466 VIOLENCE AND VIOLENCE AGAINST 527 00:16:19,466 --> 00:16:19,766 WOMEN. 528 00:16:19,766 --> 00:16:21,000 I ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS THAT THE 529 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:27,833 BIGGEST SURGE WE EVER SAW ON 530 00:16:27,833 --> 00:16:28,500 OUR BORDERS WAS IN 2019. 531 00:16:28,500 --> 00:16:29,233 SO THIS IS NOT NEW. 532 00:16:29,233 --> 00:16:29,966 IT WAS GOING ON IN 2019. 533 00:16:29,966 --> 00:16:32,866 I THINK THE PLAN IS ACTUALLY 534 00:16:32,866 --> 00:16:33,600 BRILLIANT TO WORK ON THE 535 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:38,900 DOMESTIC ISSUES, AND AS ELINOR 536 00:16:38,900 --> 00:16:40,600 POINTED OUT, THE CORRUPTION. 537 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,966 WE GO TO AFGHANISTAN AND WE TRY 538 00:16:42,966 --> 00:16:44,600 AND CHANGE THAT COUNTRY AND 539 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:45,466 HELP PROTECT THE COUNTRY AND 540 00:16:45,466 --> 00:16:46,233 CHANGE THINGS THERE. 541 00:16:46,233 --> 00:16:48,666 YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO TALK 542 00:16:48,666 --> 00:16:49,800 ABOUT BORDER WALLS, WE 543 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:50,466 CERTAINLY SHOULD BE TALKING 544 00:16:50,466 --> 00:16:51,600 ABOUT HELPING THE COUNTRIES 545 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,500 THAT ARE RIGHT THERE IN OUR 546 00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:58,100 BACKYARD, IN THE AMERICAS. 547 00:16:58,100 --> 00:16:58,700 AND I LIKE -- 548 00:16:58,700 --> 00:17:01,433 >> Bonnie: WELL, OKAY, BUT 549 00:17:01,433 --> 00:17:02,666 EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT NOT TOO 550 00:17:02,666 --> 00:17:06,466 LONG AFTER WE PULL OUT IN 551 00:17:06,466 --> 00:17:07,366 SEPTEMBER OF AFGHANISTAN, THE 552 00:17:07,366 --> 00:17:08,566 TALIBAN ARE GOING TO TAKE BACK 553 00:17:08,566 --> 00:17:09,333 OVER AND IT WILL HAVE BEEN 554 00:17:09,333 --> 00:17:12,600 AMERICA'S LONGEST WAR BEING A 555 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:13,500 COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME, MONEY 556 00:17:13,500 --> 00:17:14,700 AND LIVES. 557 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:22,466 AND SO, FOR YOU TO COMPARE THAT 558 00:17:22,466 --> 00:17:23,600 -- AND I HAVE SPENT A LOT OF 559 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:24,300 TIME IN CENTRAL AMERICA. 560 00:17:24,300 --> 00:17:25,566 I HAVE BEEN TO FOUR OF THE SIX 561 00:17:25,566 --> 00:17:32,233 COUNTRIES, ONLY GUATEMALA ON 562 00:17:32,233 --> 00:17:33,100 THE -- AMONG THE THROUGH THAT 563 00:17:33,100 --> 00:17:34,500 SHE'S WORKING ON, GUATEMALA, EL 564 00:17:34,500 --> 00:17:36,133 SALVADOR AND HONDURAS, BUT IT 565 00:17:36,133 --> 00:17:37,333 BEEN TO COSTA RICA SEVERAL 566 00:17:37,333 --> 00:17:41,066 TIMES, I'VE BEEN TO PANAMA. 567 00:17:41,066 --> 00:17:41,866 I MEAN, ON AND ON AND ON. 568 00:17:41,866 --> 00:17:43,200 ANYONE WHO HAS SPENT ANY TIME 569 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:43,866 THERE NEWS CORRUPTION IS SO 570 00:17:43,866 --> 00:17:44,166 DEEP. 571 00:17:44,166 --> 00:17:46,866 AND EVERY FAMILY IS INVOLVED IN 572 00:17:46,866 --> 00:17:49,866 SOME WAY WITH THE GANGS BECAUSE 573 00:17:49,866 --> 00:17:54,766 THE GANGS DEMAND THAT THE GIRLS 574 00:17:54,766 --> 00:17:55,666 BECOME, YOU KNOW, 575 00:17:55,666 --> 00:17:56,500 QUOTE/UNQUOTE, WIVES TO THE 576 00:17:56,500 --> 00:17:59,800 GANG LEADERS, WHICH MEANS 577 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,566 ESSENTIALLY SUBMIT TO RAPE AND 578 00:18:01,566 --> 00:18:07,266 PREGNANCY BY THEM. 579 00:18:07,266 --> 00:18:08,100 AND THE BOYS, IF THEY DON'T 580 00:18:08,100 --> 00:18:08,966 JOIN THE GANGS AND START 581 00:18:08,966 --> 00:18:10,733 KILLING PEOPLE, THEY GET 582 00:18:10,733 --> 00:18:11,066 KILLED. 583 00:18:11,066 --> 00:18:11,933 THAT IS WHAT'S DRIVING THIS 584 00:18:11,933 --> 00:18:13,733 WHOLE SURGE TO THE BORDER. 585 00:18:13,733 --> 00:18:14,900 >> Debra: I TOTALLY AGREE WITH 586 00:18:14,900 --> 00:18:16,533 YOU ON THAT. 587 00:18:16,533 --> 00:18:18,466 THE REASON I USED AFGHANISTAN 588 00:18:18,466 --> 00:18:22,766 'S ANALOGY WHEN I HEARD, WELL, 589 00:18:22,766 --> 00:18:26,233 WHY GO IN THERE? 590 00:18:26,233 --> 00:18:26,866 WE CAN FIX EVERYTHING, WE 591 00:18:26,866 --> 00:18:30,633 CANNOT CHANGE IN THE WORLD. 592 00:18:30,633 --> 00:18:32,033 WE GO IN ALL PARTS OF THE WORLD 593 00:18:32,033 --> 00:18:32,400 AND HALF. 594 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:33,533 AND THEY USE AFGHANISTAN AS ONE 595 00:18:33,533 --> 00:18:33,966 ILLUSTRATION. 596 00:18:33,966 --> 00:18:35,033 NOT THAT IT WAS SUCCESSFUL, BUT 597 00:18:35,033 --> 00:18:36,066 THIS IS IN OUR BACKYARD. 598 00:18:36,066 --> 00:18:37,933 THIS IS CAUSING PROBLEMS THAT 599 00:18:37,933 --> 00:18:40,300 BOTH SIDES CAN AGREE THERE IS A 600 00:18:40,300 --> 00:18:43,433 SURGE ON OUR BORDERS AND HAS 601 00:18:43,433 --> 00:18:44,866 BEEN AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT. 602 00:18:44,866 --> 00:18:49,400 IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, HOW YOU 603 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:58,033 ADDRESS IT AND I LIKE THIS 604 00:18:58,033 --> 00:18:58,400 APPROACH. 605 00:18:58,400 --> 00:18:59,066 >> Carrie: NATIONBUILDING, 606 00:18:59,066 --> 00:19:00,366 REMEMBER THAT PHRASE WHEN 607 00:19:00,366 --> 00:19:01,100 GEORGE W. BUSH WAS PRESIDENT. 608 00:19:01,100 --> 00:19:01,966 ALL THE DEMOCRATS WERE SAYING 609 00:19:01,966 --> 00:19:03,366 THAT GEORGE W. BUSH WAS IN A 610 00:19:03,366 --> 00:19:11,900 ROCK IRAQ NATIONBUILDING. 611 00:19:11,900 --> 00:19:14,500 YOU BREAK IT, YOU BUY IT. 612 00:19:14,500 --> 00:19:15,333 AND BONNIE, I AGREE WITH YOU. 613 00:19:15,333 --> 00:19:16,100 YOU BREAK IT, YOU BUY IT. 614 00:19:16,100 --> 00:19:17,133 DEMOCRATS ALSO RUN THE RISK OF 615 00:19:17,133 --> 00:19:19,533 ALIENATING THE AMERICAN VOTER 616 00:19:19,533 --> 00:19:20,300 HERE BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG 617 00:19:20,300 --> 00:19:21,633 REASON WHY TRUMP WON WITH HIS 618 00:19:21,633 --> 00:19:22,400 AMERICA FIRST AGENDA. 619 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:23,666 WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM ON THE 620 00:19:23,666 --> 00:19:24,366 BORDER RIGHT NOW WITH COVID 621 00:19:24,366 --> 00:19:25,100 TESTING, AND POLITICAL REACHED 622 00:19:25,100 --> 00:19:26,133 OUT TO THE BIDEN WHITE HOUSE 623 00:19:26,133 --> 00:19:28,466 AND THEY SAID, WHY AREN'T YOU 624 00:19:28,466 --> 00:19:29,133 MANDATING COVID TESTING FOR 625 00:19:29,133 --> 00:19:29,866 EVERY IMMIGRANT THAT YOU 626 00:19:29,866 --> 00:19:32,200 RELEASE INTO THE UNITED STATES, 627 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:32,900 AND THEY SAID, YEAH, IT'S NOT 628 00:19:32,900 --> 00:19:33,266 MANDATORY. 629 00:19:33,266 --> 00:19:34,366 WE ARE PARTNERING WITH THE 630 00:19:34,366 --> 00:19:34,800 LOCAL CITIES. 631 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:35,866 THIS IS A BIG PROBLEM AND 632 00:19:35,866 --> 00:19:36,733 SOMETHING WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN 633 00:19:36,733 --> 00:19:37,566 WORKING ON ON THE INDEPENDENT 634 00:19:37,566 --> 00:19:38,566 -- WITH THE PETITION CALLED 635 00:19:38,566 --> 00:19:40,766 SAFE -- 636 00:19:40,766 --> 00:19:42,500 >> Bonnie: SORRY TO INTERRUPT 637 00:19:42,500 --> 00:19:43,233 YOU, BUT WE ARE REALLY OUT OF 638 00:19:43,233 --> 00:19:44,400 TIME ON THIS SEGMENT AND HAVE 639 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:45,266 TO GET TO THE NEXT ONE, SORRY. 640 00:19:45,266 --> 00:19:46,666 WE WILL BRING YOU IN ON THE 641 00:19:46,666 --> 00:19:47,033 NEXT ONE. 642 00:19:47,033 --> 00:19:48,166 BUT IN HONOR OF MOTHER'S DAY, 643 00:19:48,166 --> 00:19:48,866 "TO THE CONTRARY"'S EXECUTIVE 644 00:19:48,866 --> 00:19:49,566 PRODUCER, CARI STEIN, SPOKE 645 00:19:49,566 --> 00:19:53,233 WITH THE DAUGHTER OF EARTHA 646 00:19:53,233 --> 00:19:55,700 KITT, WHOSE NAMES KITT SHAPIRO, 647 00:19:55,700 --> 00:20:01,200 ABOUT HER MOTHER IN A 648 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:01,633 RELATIONSHIP. 649 00:20:01,633 --> 00:20:02,633 SHE WAS A SINGER, ACTOR, 650 00:20:02,633 --> 00:20:04,300 DANCER, ACTIVIST AND, QUOTE, 651 00:20:04,300 --> 00:20:05,100 THE MOST EXCITING WOMAN ON 652 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:05,400 EARTH. 653 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,300 BUT TO HER DAUGHTER, KITT 654 00:20:07,300 --> 00:20:08,866 SHAPIRO, SHE WAS JUST MOM. 655 00:20:08,866 --> 00:20:09,800 SHAPIRO IS THE AUTHOR OF THE 656 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:22,033 NEW BOOK EARTHA. 657 00:20:22,033 --> 00:20:23,300 >> SHE WOULD OFTEN INTRODUCE US 658 00:20:23,300 --> 00:20:24,166 AND SAY I AM EARTHA AND THIS IS 659 00:20:24,166 --> 00:20:26,266 TRYING TO 16 AS IF I COMPLETED 660 00:20:26,266 --> 00:20:26,866 HER SOMEHOW. 661 00:20:26,866 --> 00:20:27,566 >> Carrie: WHAT WAS IT LIKE 662 00:20:27,566 --> 00:20:28,233 FOR YOU TO BE FIRST THE 663 00:20:28,233 --> 00:20:30,066 DAUGHTER OF THIS FAMOUS WOMAN 664 00:20:30,066 --> 00:20:31,266 AND ALWAYS WITH HER, BECAUSE 665 00:20:31,266 --> 00:20:36,500 YOU TRAVELED WITH HER? 666 00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:37,933 >> Kitt: SHE WAS A MOTHER 667 00:20:37,933 --> 00:20:38,466 FIRST AND FOREMOST. 668 00:20:38,466 --> 00:20:39,200 SO I DO THINK THAT WE HAD THAT 669 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,300 UNIQUE CONNECTION, THAT IT WAS 670 00:20:41,300 --> 00:20:42,633 SUPPOSED TO BE THAT WAY AND WE 671 00:20:42,633 --> 00:20:47,300 WERE BLESSED TO HAVE HAD IT. 672 00:20:47,300 --> 00:20:48,166 WE ALSO BOTH KNEW THAT DURING 673 00:20:48,166 --> 00:20:49,466 OUR LIVES TOGETHER, THIS IS NOT 674 00:20:49,466 --> 00:20:52,333 SOMETHING I CAME TO AFTER SHE 675 00:20:52,333 --> 00:20:53,233 LEFT FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS OF 676 00:20:53,233 --> 00:20:54,066 HER LIFE, WE WILL LIFT OUR 677 00:20:54,066 --> 00:20:54,833 LIVES LIKE THAT. 678 00:20:54,833 --> 00:20:56,233 NOW, THAT BEING SAID, WE HAD A 679 00:20:56,233 --> 00:21:00,133 VERY TYPICAL MOTHER-DAUGHTER 680 00:21:00,133 --> 00:21:00,566 RELATIONSHIP. 681 00:21:00,566 --> 00:21:01,666 THIS WAS NOT -- THEY WERE ROCKY 682 00:21:01,666 --> 00:21:07,166 TIMES IN OUR LIVES. 683 00:21:07,166 --> 00:21:08,066 I ROLLED MY EYES LIKE A TYPICAL 684 00:21:08,066 --> 00:21:08,866 TEENAGER, DRIVING DOWN THE 685 00:21:08,866 --> 00:21:10,066 STREET SHE WOULD BE DOING 686 00:21:10,066 --> 00:21:13,133 FACIAL EXERCISES IN THE CAR AND 687 00:21:13,133 --> 00:21:14,066 I WOULD BE MORTIFIED. 688 00:21:14,066 --> 00:21:15,166 SHE WOULD TELL ME TO DO 689 00:21:15,166 --> 00:21:15,833 SOMETHING AND, YOU KNOW, I 690 00:21:15,833 --> 00:21:16,433 WOULD NOT WANT TO DO IT. 691 00:21:16,433 --> 00:21:17,466 I MEAN, WE WERE 692 00:21:17,466 --> 00:21:18,933 MOTHER-DAUGHTER. 693 00:21:18,933 --> 00:21:19,633 >> Carrie: HOW HARD OR WERE 694 00:21:19,633 --> 00:21:20,200 YOU REALLY NOT LED TO 695 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,166 UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT WAS IT FOR 696 00:21:22,166 --> 00:21:25,500 HER TO BE -- TO HAVE SUCH AN 697 00:21:25,500 --> 00:21:28,333 ALL-ENCOMPASSING CAREER AND BE 698 00:21:28,333 --> 00:21:30,533 A SINGLE MOTHER? 699 00:21:30,533 --> 00:21:33,966 AND, YOU KNOW, CREATE THE 700 00:21:33,966 --> 00:21:37,400 SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU? 701 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:38,533 >> Kitt: SHE DID NOT THINK OF 702 00:21:38,533 --> 00:21:39,133 IT AS DIFFICULT AS ALL. 703 00:21:39,133 --> 00:21:41,133 SHE FELT THAT, YOU KNOW, I JUST 704 00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:45,533 WENT WITH HER. 705 00:21:45,533 --> 00:21:46,733 THAT IS WHAT -- FROM THE DAY I 706 00:21:46,733 --> 00:21:52,733 WAS OLD ENOUGH TO TRAVEL AS AN 707 00:21:52,733 --> 00:21:53,566 INFANT, SHE LITERALLY TOUCHED 708 00:21:53,566 --> 00:21:55,500 HER SHE WOULD SAY WOULD PUT THE 709 00:21:55,500 --> 00:21:56,233 BABY ON ONE HIP AND THE DIAPER 710 00:21:56,233 --> 00:21:56,933 BACK ON THE OTHER AND OFF WE 711 00:21:56,933 --> 00:21:57,300 WOULD GO. 712 00:21:57,300 --> 00:21:57,966 >> Carrie: WHICH YOU HAVE 713 00:21:57,966 --> 00:22:01,300 ADVICE FROM OTHERS OF TODAY? 714 00:22:01,300 --> 00:22:02,666 >> Kitt: JUST SHOW YOUR 715 00:22:02,666 --> 00:22:03,400 CHILDREN AS MUCH LOVE AS YOU 716 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,433 POSSIBLY CAN. 717 00:22:05,433 --> 00:22:06,666 BECAUSE SHE UNDERSTOOD THAT WE 718 00:22:06,666 --> 00:22:07,700 ALL HAVE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO 719 00:22:07,700 --> 00:22:08,933 DO, RIGHT, THAT WE ARE NOT ALL 720 00:22:08,933 --> 00:22:10,633 PRIVILEGE TO STAY HOME TO TAKE 721 00:22:10,633 --> 00:22:12,600 OUR CHILDREN WITH US. 722 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:13,300 MANY PEOPLE HAVE TO LEAVE THE 723 00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:13,600 HOUSE. 724 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:14,966 BUT WHEN YOUR KIDS UNDERSTAND 725 00:22:14,966 --> 00:22:20,700 THAT THEY ARE LOVED AND THEY 726 00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:21,900 ARE CARED FOR AND YOU ARE 727 00:22:21,900 --> 00:22:22,666 DOING, YOU KNOW, JUST DOING 728 00:22:22,666 --> 00:22:25,866 WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO, THAT I 729 00:22:25,866 --> 00:22:26,833 THINK WOULD BE HER BIGGEST 730 00:22:26,833 --> 00:22:27,533 PIECE OF ADVICE, SHARE YOUR 731 00:22:27,533 --> 00:22:28,633 KIDS HOW MUCH YOU LOVE THEM. 732 00:22:28,633 --> 00:22:29,500 PHYSICALLY SHOW THEM HOW MUCH 733 00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:31,066 THEY ARE LOVED AND TELL THEM. 734 00:22:31,066 --> 00:22:31,900 >> Bonnie: AND WE WILL BE 735 00:22:31,900 --> 00:22:34,066 AIRING THE FULL INTERVIEW WITH 736 00:22:34,066 --> 00:22:34,900 KITT SHAPIRO IN ANOTHER EPISODE 737 00:22:34,900 --> 00:22:37,000 OF "TO THE CONTRARY", SO PLEASE 738 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:37,833 STAY TUNED. 739 00:22:37,833 --> 00:22:39,300 ALL RIGHT. 740 00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:40,433 NOW FIRST TO YOU, DEBRA 741 00:22:40,433 --> 00:22:42,500 CARNAHAN, WHAT DO MOTHERS NEED 742 00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:46,500 TO LEARN NOW ABOUT -- YOU KNOW, 743 00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:49,500 FOR MOTHER'S DAY? 744 00:22:49,500 --> 00:22:51,366 >> Debra: WELL, I THINK SOUTH 745 00:22:51,366 --> 00:22:52,633 CAROLINA IS A VERY IMPORTANT 746 00:22:52,633 --> 00:22:54,800 ASPECT THAT MOTHERS NEED TO BE 747 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,700 AWARE OF NOW, ESPECIALLY STILL 748 00:22:57,700 --> 00:23:02,400 IN THE AGE OF COVID AND WHAT 749 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,066 WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE LAST 15 750 00:23:04,066 --> 00:23:04,666 MONTHS IN THIS COUNTRY. 751 00:23:04,666 --> 00:23:06,033 AND THEY NEED TO PUT OUT THERE 752 00:23:06,033 --> 00:23:07,066 WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE. 753 00:23:07,066 --> 00:23:10,900 DON'T EXPECT YOUR SIGNIFICANT 754 00:23:10,900 --> 00:23:11,733 OTHER OR YOUR CHILDREN TO 755 00:23:11,733 --> 00:23:14,566 FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOU. 756 00:23:14,566 --> 00:23:15,466 AND PART OF THAT SELF-CARE IS 757 00:23:15,466 --> 00:23:16,600 BREATHING SPACE AND TIME AWAY 758 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,566 FOR YOURSELF. 759 00:23:20,566 --> 00:23:21,900 >> Bonnie: ALL RIGHT. 760 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:22,700 YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS, RINA, AS 761 00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:27,133 THE MOTHER OF TWO SMALL GIRLS. 762 00:23:27,133 --> 00:23:27,866 >> Rina: ,OH, YEAH. 763 00:23:27,866 --> 00:23:29,100 UNDER THE AGE OF FIVE, I MIGHT 764 00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:29,366 ADD. 765 00:23:29,366 --> 00:23:30,066 WELL, THIS IS A MOTHER'S DAY 766 00:23:30,066 --> 00:23:33,200 UNLIKE ANY OTHER ONE. 767 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,033 BUT EVERY MOTHER'S DAY AM 768 00:23:34,033 --> 00:23:35,133 REMINDED OF THE WORDS OF 769 00:23:35,133 --> 00:23:36,033 ABRAHAM LINCOLN, OUR FORMER 770 00:23:36,033 --> 00:23:36,733 PRESIDENT, ABOUT HIS MOTHER, 771 00:23:36,733 --> 00:23:37,466 NANCY HAKES LINCOLN, AND HOW HE 772 00:23:37,466 --> 00:23:40,100 SAYS THAT ALL I AM, ALTHOUGH I 773 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:41,300 HOPE TO BE USED TO, ANGEL 774 00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:41,766 MOTHER, LOOSELY. 775 00:23:41,766 --> 00:23:52,433 IN A REALLY FEEL THAT THAT IS 776 00:23:52,433 --> 00:23:52,766 MY CASE. 777 00:23:52,766 --> 00:23:53,500 I THINK ABOUT MY MOTHER ALL THE 778 00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:54,800 TIME AND IN PARTICULAR HOW SHE 779 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:55,766 STEPPED UP IN THE PAST YEAR, 780 00:23:55,766 --> 00:23:56,466 THOUGH SHE'S TURNING 65 THIS 781 00:23:56,466 --> 00:23:56,933 YEAR. 782 00:23:56,933 --> 00:23:57,666 SHE ACTS LIKE SHE'S 25, THE WAY 783 00:23:57,666 --> 00:23:58,500 SHE DRIVES HOURS TO COME HELP 784 00:23:58,500 --> 00:23:59,233 ME AND MY DAUGHTERS AND MY 785 00:23:59,233 --> 00:23:59,933 HUSBAND AS WELL BE A REAL 786 00:23:59,933 --> 00:24:01,533 PILLOW FOR US. 787 00:24:01,533 --> 00:24:02,600 AND THAT'S BEEN IMPORTANT 788 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:03,300 BECAUSE MY MENTAL HEALTH HAS 789 00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:07,200 REALLY SUFFERED IN THIS PAST 790 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:07,500 YEAR. 791 00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:08,600 IN HER TO GIVE ME THOSE MENTAL 792 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:09,433 HEALTH TIMEOUTS FOR HER TO GIVE 793 00:24:09,433 --> 00:24:14,566 ME TIME TO GO SEE MY 794 00:24:14,566 --> 00:24:15,400 GIRLFRIENDS RECENTLY AND HAVE 795 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,800 COCKTAILS WITH THEM, WE ARE ALL 796 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,033 VACCINATED NOW, SO SHE SAYS 797 00:24:19,033 --> 00:24:19,766 I'LL TAKE CARE OF THE KIDS, YOU 798 00:24:19,766 --> 00:24:20,433 TO GO TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF. 799 00:24:20,433 --> 00:24:23,533 AND THAT IS WHAT MOTHERHOOD IS 800 00:24:23,533 --> 00:24:24,233 ABOUT, ABOUT SUPPORTING WHEN 801 00:24:24,233 --> 00:24:25,633 ANOTHER, REALIZING THAT WHAT WE 802 00:24:25,633 --> 00:24:26,366 NEED AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO 803 00:24:26,366 --> 00:24:27,133 BE DIFFERENT THIS MOTHER'S DAY. 804 00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:28,200 WE NEED TO REOPEN THE SCHOOLS. 805 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,300 GIVE US THAT GIFT TOO! 806 00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:31,400 >> Bonnie: ELEANOR, YOUR 807 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:31,766 THOUGHTS. 808 00:24:31,766 --> 00:24:32,933 YOU HAVE TWO GROWN CHILDREN. 809 00:24:32,933 --> 00:24:34,000 >> Del. Norton: THIS MOTHER'S 810 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,366 DAY, I'M CELEBRATING THAT TWO 811 00:24:35,366 --> 00:24:37,366 MOTHERS ARE LEADING OUR 812 00:24:37,366 --> 00:24:38,266 COUNTRY, OUR VICE PRESIDENT 813 00:24:38,266 --> 00:24:41,733 KAMALA HARRIS AND NANCY PELOSI, 814 00:24:41,733 --> 00:24:45,166 THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF 815 00:24:45,166 --> 00:24:45,633 REPRESENTATIVES. 816 00:24:45,633 --> 00:24:46,833 THAT MEANS MOTHERS ARE GETTING 817 00:24:46,833 --> 00:24:47,866 SOMEWHERE IN OUR COUNTRY. 818 00:24:47,866 --> 00:24:51,866 >> Bonnie: YES, FINALLY. 819 00:24:51,866 --> 00:24:52,200 WOO HOO. 820 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:52,966 CARRIE, YOUR THOUGHTS. 821 00:24:52,966 --> 00:24:56,600 >> Carrie: I AGREE WITH DEBRA. 822 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:05,866 MOTHERS NEED HEALTHY BOUNDARIES 823 00:25:05,866 --> 00:25:06,466 TO BE ABLE TO HAVE YOUR 824 00:25:06,466 --> 00:25:08,633 IDENTITY AS A MOTHER BUT ALSO 825 00:25:08,633 --> 00:25:09,333 AS A WOMAN AND IN WHATEVER -- 826 00:25:09,333 --> 00:25:10,066 HOWEVER SHE DEFINES UP FOR 827 00:25:10,066 --> 00:25:10,866 HERSELF AND I LOVE THE POEM, 828 00:25:10,866 --> 00:25:11,600 THE HAND THAT ROCKS THE CRADLE 829 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,166 IS THE HAND THAT RULES THE 830 00:25:14,166 --> 00:25:15,633 WORLD, THE POEM THAT CAME OUT 831 00:25:15,633 --> 00:25:15,966 IN 1865. 832 00:25:15,966 --> 00:25:16,666 AND I THINK THAT'S NEVER MORE 833 00:25:16,666 --> 00:25:17,066 TRUE TODAY. 834 00:25:17,066 --> 00:25:20,100 AND MOTHERS TRULY ARE 835 00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:20,966 SUPERHEROES AND I SALUTE ALL OF 836 00:25:20,966 --> 00:25:21,266 THEM. 837 00:25:21,266 --> 00:25:21,933 MY MOTHER GAVE BIRTH TO 10 838 00:25:21,933 --> 00:25:25,500 BABIES AM FAR BEHIND WITH 839 00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:27,033 ZERO, BUT I AM AN ASPIRING 840 00:25:27,033 --> 00:25:27,366 MOTHER. 841 00:25:27,366 --> 00:25:31,566 BUT, YEAH, I SALUTE ALL THE 842 00:25:31,566 --> 00:25:32,833 MOTHERS HERE ON THIS PANEL TOO. 843 00:25:32,833 --> 00:25:33,400 >> Bonnie: ALL RIGHT. 844 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,166 THANK YOU SO MUCH. 845 00:25:36,166 --> 00:25:37,066 THAT'S IT FOR THIS EDITION. 846 00:25:37,066 --> 00:25:37,966 PLEASE FOLLOW US ON OUR 847 00:25:37,966 --> 00:25:40,600 PREVIOUS WEBSITE, 848 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,066 www.TOTHECONTRARY.org. 849 00:25:42,066 --> 00:25:42,700 PLEASE ALSO FOLLOW US ON 850 00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:44,800 TWITTER, INSTAGRAM, AND 851 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:45,166 FACEBOOK. 852 00:25:45,166 --> 00:25:46,300 AND WHETHER YOU AGREE OR THINK 853 00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:48,866 "TO THE CONTRARY", PLEASE JOIN 854 00:25:48,866 --> 00:25:49,300 US NEXT TIME. 855 00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:49,966 , PLEASE JOIN US NEXT TIME. 856 00:25:49,966 --> 00:25:58,933 [MUSIC] 857 00:25:58,933 --> 00:25:59,800 FOR A TRANSCRIPT OR TO SEE AN 858 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:00,600 ONLINE EPISODE OF "TO THE 859 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,966 CONTRARY," PLEASE VISIT OUR PBS 860 00:26:01,966 --> 00:26:02,733 WEBSITE AT 861 00:26:02,733 --> 00:26:08,533 PBS.ORG/TOTHECONTRARY.