1 00:00:01,266 --> 00:00:04,600 >> WORKING IN THE CLEANUPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE 2 00:00:04,633 --> 00:00:06,033 WOULD BE OUT THERE AND THERE WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THEIR 3 00:00:06,066 --> 00:00:09,066 WITH TRUMP MEMORABILIA, THE MAGA HAT'S AND EVERYTHING. 4 00:00:09,100 --> 00:00:11,066 SOME PEOPLE WERE SAYING, I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU SUPPORT 5 00:00:11,100 --> 00:00:21,133 TRUMP. 6 00:00:21,133 --> 00:00:29,700 TRUMP. 7 00:00:29,733 --> 00:00:30,200 >> Bonnie: HELLO. 8 00:00:30,233 --> 00:00:30,866 I AM BONNIE ERB. 9 00:00:30,900 --> 00:00:32,500 WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY". 10 00:00:32,533 --> 00:00:37,033 THIS WEEK WE CONTINUE OUR WOMEN THOUGHT LEADERS SERIES WITH KIM 11 00:00:37,066 --> 00:00:39,733 CLAY SIX, A REPUBLICAN COMMENTATOR. 12 00:00:39,766 --> 00:00:43,766 SHE CAME TO PROMINENCE AFTER A VIDEO SHE POSTED OF RATS IN 13 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,600 BALTIMORE WAS HIGHLIGHTED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP. 14 00:00:47,633 --> 00:00:51,366 SHE IS NOW ONE OF THE PRESIDENT'S MOST INFLUENTIAL 15 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,600 BLACK FEMALE SUPPORTERS ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND CABLE. 16 00:00:54,633 --> 00:01:00,366 WELCOME TO YOU, KIM. 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:01,566 >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME. 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:02,400 >> Bonnie: AND YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE A VERY BRIGHT POLITICAL 19 00:01:02,433 --> 00:01:04,700 FUTURE. 20 00:01:04,733 --> 00:01:05,966 >> I HOPE SO. 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,700 >> YOU ANNOUNCED THIS PAST WEEK HE WILL BE RETURNING YOUR START 22 00:01:09,733 --> 00:01:13,500 ON SOCIAL MEDIA WITH THE FACTS AND THE PRESIDENT INTO A 23 00:01:13,533 --> 00:01:15,433 POLITICAL CAREER FOR YOURSELF. 24 00:01:15,466 --> 00:01:18,166 WHY DON'T YOU TELL THE AUDIENCE ABOUT IT? 25 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,500 >> Kim: I KIND OF GOT INVOLVED IN POLITICS BACK IN 2014. 26 00:01:21,533 --> 00:01:25,066 I WAS A VOLUNTEER ON CAPITOL HILL, AND I VOLUNTEERED WITH 27 00:01:25,100 --> 00:01:26,233 THE ARCHITECT OF THE CAPITOL. 28 00:01:26,266 --> 00:01:30,066 WE WERE IN AND BASICALLY HELPING WITH TOURS AND MEMBERS 29 00:01:30,100 --> 00:01:33,600 OF CONGRESS GETTING TO THEIR MEETINGS WHICH THEY STILL GET 30 00:01:33,633 --> 00:01:34,266 LOST. 31 00:01:34,300 --> 00:01:36,500 I DON'T KNOW HOW, BUT THEY DO. 32 00:01:36,533 --> 00:01:37,833 >> Bonnie: THAT'S A WEIRD CAMPUS UP THERE, CONFUSING. 33 00:01:37,866 --> 00:01:39,466 >> Kim: YES, IT IS. 34 00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:41,466 WHY WOULD HELP WITH THAT. 35 00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:44,600 THEN I WOULD GO IN AND SIT ON SOME OF THE HEARINGS AND JUST 36 00:01:44,633 --> 00:01:48,333 LISTEN AND KIND OF HEAR ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. 37 00:01:48,366 --> 00:01:50,333 SO I ENDED UP JOINING A GROUP CALLED POLITICAL CHICKS AND 38 00:01:50,366 --> 00:01:51,566 STARTED WRITING FOR THEIR BLOG. 39 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:56,666 SO I'VE BEEN LUCKY AND HOW I FELL INTO A BUT I CONTINUED AND 40 00:01:56,700 --> 00:01:57,800 KEPT GOING. 41 00:01:57,833 --> 00:02:02,366 BACK IN 2008 I VOTED FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA, DEMOCRAT FOR 42 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:03,533 SURE. 43 00:02:03,566 --> 00:02:06,766 AND THEN IN 2012, RON, I QUESTIONED, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS 44 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:07,600 GOING ON. 45 00:02:07,633 --> 00:02:11,266 I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW WHY? 46 00:02:11,300 --> 00:02:12,300 MAYBE, JUST MAYBE I'M NOT A DEMOCRAT. 47 00:02:12,333 --> 00:02:15,233 I STARTED READING MORE ABOUT CONSERVATIVE VALUES. 48 00:02:15,266 --> 00:02:18,700 AFTER A WHILE I DECIDED, MAYBE, I AM CONSERVATIVE. 49 00:02:18,733 --> 00:02:20,466 I DID NOT VOTE IN 2012. 50 00:02:20,500 --> 00:02:24,266 I WAS NOT HAPPY WITH MITT ROMNEY ALSO. 51 00:02:24,300 --> 00:02:26,933 SO ACTUALLY I SAVE MY VOTE AND I DID VOTE LOCAL ELECTIONS BUT 52 00:02:26,966 --> 00:02:29,700 NOT PRESIDENTIAL. 53 00:02:29,733 --> 00:02:34,533 MOVING FORWARD, I ENDED UP VOTING FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP IN 54 00:02:34,566 --> 00:02:35,433 2016. 55 00:02:35,466 --> 00:02:36,333 >> Bonnie: ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THAT BOAT? 56 00:02:36,366 --> 00:02:38,833 >> Kim: I AM HAPPY, YES, YES. 57 00:02:38,866 --> 00:02:41,733 >> Bonnie: ARE YOU A WOMAN'S RIGHTS ADVOCATE? 58 00:02:41,766 --> 00:02:43,966 >> Kim: I AM, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY. 59 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,933 I LOVE MY RIGHTS, YOU KNOW. 60 00:02:45,966 --> 00:02:47,200 I AM A WOMAN. 61 00:02:47,233 --> 00:02:51,566 I GUESS I DON'T ALWAYS LOOK AT THINGS AS MAY BE EVERYONE ELSE. 62 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,266 GENDER OR COLOR, YOU KNOW. 63 00:02:53,300 --> 00:02:56,200 I LOOK AT US WE ARE ALL IN THE IN THE SAME TEAM, WE ARE ALL 64 00:02:56,233 --> 00:02:57,366 AMERICANS. 65 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,533 I DON'T VIEW IT AS WOMEN'S OR LATINOS, WHATEVER, JUST WE 66 00:03:01,566 --> 00:03:02,633 SHOULD BE IN THE SAME GROUP. 67 00:03:02,666 --> 00:03:06,466 >> Bonnie: I ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE I WAS WONDER 68 00:03:06,500 --> 00:03:08,800 HOW WOMEN WHO CALL THEMSELVES WOMEN'S RIGHTS ADVOCATES, AND 69 00:03:08,833 --> 00:03:15,333 MANY OF HIS FEMALE SUPPORTERS DO, FEEL ABOUT WHAT HE'S BEEN 70 00:03:15,366 --> 00:03:21,366 CHARGED WITH, RAPING WOMEN, ATTACKING WOMEN, BRAGGING ON 71 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,366 RADIO WITH HOWARD STERN BUT WHEN YOU GRAB WOMEN BY THE 72 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:29,566 GENITALS THEY REALLY LIKE IT. 73 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:35,200 HOW, WHEN YOU HEAR THAT HE IS RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND YOU ARE 74 00:03:35,233 --> 00:03:37,666 FOR HIM, WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU THINK? 75 00:03:37,700 --> 00:03:39,500 >> Kim: I CAN SEE HOW PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IT FOR 76 00:03:39,533 --> 00:03:40,433 SURE. 77 00:03:40,466 --> 00:03:42,166 IT'S DEFINITELY NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR. 78 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,800 I HAVE A DAUGHTER AND I DON'T WANT MY DAUGHTER TO HEAR IT. 79 00:03:44,833 --> 00:03:49,300 I GUESS AT THE SAME TIME I KIND OF LOOK AT IS LIKE 22 WOMEN 80 00:03:49,333 --> 00:03:50,800 CAME FORWARD, AND I DON'T KNOW IF SOME ARE STILL IN THE 81 00:03:50,833 --> 00:03:53,633 PROCESS, BUT HE HAS YET TO BE CONVICTED, YOU KNOW? 82 00:03:53,666 --> 00:03:55,100 IT'S KIND OF LIKE, IS HE REALLY GUILTY? 83 00:03:55,133 --> 00:03:56,166 I'M NOT SURE. 84 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,266 I'M THE KIND OF PERSON THAT WAITS IT OUT. 85 00:03:59,300 --> 00:04:03,900 ON TOPIC, I AM WONDERING, I KNOW YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD OF 86 00:04:03,933 --> 00:04:07,933 THE/FUND BOOK, AND $17 MILLION HAS BEEN PAID OUT TO PEOPLE 87 00:04:07,966 --> 00:04:10,200 THAT FILE HARASSMENT CLAIMS ON CAPITOL HILL. 88 00:04:10,233 --> 00:04:12,700 I LEARNED ABOUT THAT WHILE VOLUNTEERING ON CAPITOL HILL. 89 00:04:12,733 --> 00:04:16,833 THERE IS A SECRET SLUSH FUND AND THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT. 90 00:04:16,866 --> 00:04:20,000 I THOUGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC IS NOT MADE AWARE OF 91 00:04:20,033 --> 00:04:21,266 THAT. 92 00:04:21,300 --> 00:04:23,933 WE ARE MADE AWARE OF EVERYTHING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS DONE, 93 00:04:23,966 --> 00:04:26,966 BUT THE PUBLIC STILL DOES NOT KNOW EVEN WHAT THEIR MEMBERS 94 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,233 HAVE DONE. 95 00:04:28,266 --> 00:04:30,533 >> Bonnie: YOU ARE RUNNING FOR THE SEAT VACATED BY THE PASSING 96 00:04:30,566 --> 00:04:36,733 OF ELIJAH CUMMINGS WHO WAS A CIVIL RIGHTS ICON, REALLY. 97 00:04:36,766 --> 00:04:41,900 AND MARYLAND IS A BLUE STATE, AND THERE ARE ELECTIONS LAST 98 00:04:41,933 --> 00:04:47,000 WEEK IN SEVERAL STATES INCLUDING VIRGINIA WHICH WENT 99 00:04:47,033 --> 00:04:50,300 TO AN ALL DEMOCRATIC SWITCH TO AN ALL DEMOCRATIC-CONTROLLED 100 00:04:50,333 --> 00:04:54,133 GOVERNMENT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 26 YEARS. 101 00:04:54,166 --> 00:04:56,900 WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT YOU RUNNING AS A REPUBLICAN IN 102 00:04:56,933 --> 00:04:57,400 MARYLAND? 103 00:04:57,433 --> 00:04:58,600 >> Kim: DEFINITELY. 104 00:04:58,633 --> 00:05:02,000 IT'S AN UPHILL BATTLE, FOR SURE. 105 00:05:02,033 --> 00:05:03,166 FIRST, IT'S GOING BACK A BIT. 106 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,400 I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY CONGRESSMAN CUMMINGS, AND HE 107 00:05:05,433 --> 00:05:09,300 WAS A GREAT GUY AND EVERYONE TRULY LOVED HIM, BUT AS FAR AS 108 00:05:09,333 --> 00:05:11,600 CIVIL RIGHTS, I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE GET CONFUSED BECAUSE HE 109 00:05:11,633 --> 00:05:15,900 WAS A CHILD AT THE TIME.E USED TO TALK ABOUT HOW HE USED 110 00:05:15,933 --> 00:05:18,666 TO LISTEN TO DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. ON THE RADIO WHILE HE 111 00:05:18,700 --> 00:05:22,033 WAS AT SCHOOL OR WHEN HE GOT OUT OF SCHOOL. 112 00:05:22,066 --> 00:05:26,700 BUT AS FAR AS RUNNING IN MARYLAND AND WHAT HAPPENED LAST 113 00:05:26,733 --> 00:05:29,233 WEEK IN VIRGINIA, I MEAN, THAT WAS INSANE AND I KNOW I GOT A 114 00:05:29,266 --> 00:05:36,366 LOT OF BACKLASH BECAUSE IT SAID SOMETHING ON TWITTER, BUT I 115 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,700 KNOW, LIKE MANY PEOPLE KNOW, THAT THE GOP AND THE RNC IS, 116 00:05:38,733 --> 00:05:40,100 WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM, THEY ARE NOT DOING A WHOLE LOT AS 117 00:05:40,133 --> 00:05:41,300 FAR AS VOTER OUTREACH. 118 00:05:41,333 --> 00:05:43,866 THEY COULD BE DOING A LOT MORE, AND THEY ALWAYS TOOK THESE 119 00:05:43,900 --> 00:05:47,133 NUMBERS FOR RAISING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EXTRA PRESIDENT TRUMP. 120 00:05:47,166 --> 00:05:49,066 WELL, WHERE IS THAT MONEY BEING SPENT? 121 00:05:49,100 --> 00:05:53,666 OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT BEING SPENT ON A GRASSROOTS EFFORT. 122 00:05:53,700 --> 00:05:55,100 YES, I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND I KNOW I'M GOING TO 123 00:05:55,133 --> 00:05:58,800 HAVE TO KNOCK ON EVERY SINGLE DOOR MYSELF, GOING SHAKE EVERY 124 00:05:58,833 --> 00:06:00,300 SINGLE HAND. 125 00:06:00,333 --> 00:06:01,933 IT'S A SPECIAL ELECTION, SO IT'S VERY SHORT. 126 00:06:01,966 --> 00:06:06,433 MY PRIMARY IS FEBRUARY 4. THE GENERAL IS HOPEFULLY IF I MAKE 127 00:06:06,466 --> 00:06:09,300 IT, IT'S APRIL 28, AND IT SHORT. 128 00:06:09,333 --> 00:06:13,200 IT'S CONDENSED AND I'VE GOT A WORK HARD, BUT I'M UP FOR THE 129 00:06:13,233 --> 00:06:14,433 CHALLENGE. 130 00:06:14,466 --> 00:06:20,266 >> Bonnie: WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TALK AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND 131 00:06:20,300 --> 00:06:21,533 TELL THEM YOU ARE REPUBLICAN IN THE TRUMP SUPPORTER? 132 00:06:21,566 --> 00:06:24,033 DO THEY LOOK AT YOU SIDEWAYS? 133 00:06:24,066 --> 00:06:26,100 å0 PERCENT OF ORTER? 134 00:06:26,133 --> 00:06:29,933 AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMEN VOTED FOR HILLARY CLINTON, LET'S 135 00:06:29,966 --> 00:06:31,733 REMEMBER> Kim: DEFINITELY. 136 00:06:31,766 --> 00:06:35,300 EVEN WORKING IN THE CLEANUPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, 137 00:06:35,333 --> 00:06:37,600 WE WOULD BE OUT THERE AND THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE WEARING 138 00:06:37,633 --> 00:06:41,000 THEIR TRUMP MEMORABILIA, THEY'VE GOT THE MAGA HATS AND 139 00:06:41,033 --> 00:06:42,466 EVERYTHING. 140 00:06:42,500 --> 00:06:44,333 SOME PEOPLE SAY, OH, CANNOT BELIEVE YOU SUPPORT TRUMP. 141 00:06:44,366 --> 00:06:47,866 YOU KNOW, I WAS LIKE, WELL, LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS: THERE'S A 142 00:06:47,900 --> 00:06:51,966 LOT OF THIS TRASH AND IT'S BEEN SITTING HERE FOR ALMOST A YEAR. 143 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,466 IF NOT FOR DRUM, WE WOULD NOT BE HERE REMOVING IT. 144 00:06:54,500 --> 00:06:58,000 THE CITY NOW WITH BALTIMORE IN PUBLIC WORKS, THEY WOULD NOT 145 00:06:58,033 --> 00:06:59,200 LOOK AT IT. 146 00:06:59,233 --> 00:07:01,766 SO WE CAN HATE TRUMP ALL DAY, BUT THE FACT THAT HE ACTUALLY 147 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,466 BROUGHT LIGHT TO THE SITUATION IS A REASON IS BEING REMOVED. 148 00:07:05,500 --> 00:07:09,700 SOME PEOPLE WILL THEN LOOK AT ME AND SAY, OKAY, YOU ARE RIGHT 149 00:07:09,733 --> 00:07:10,933 ABOUT THAT AND WE MOVE FORWARD. 150 00:07:10,966 --> 00:07:13,500 >> Bonnie: BUT WE HAVE TO DO A COUPLE STEPS WALKING BACKWARD 151 00:07:13,533 --> 00:07:17,400 FIRST WHICH IS THAT YOU TOOK THE VIDEO AND POSTED IT ON 152 00:07:17,433 --> 00:07:22,433 SOCIAL MEDIA OF RATS IN THE TRASH AND BALTIMORE AND THAT 153 00:07:22,466 --> 00:07:23,233 WENT VIRAL. 154 00:07:23,266 --> 00:07:25,600 EVENTUALLY, THE PRESIDENT SUPPORTED. 155 00:07:25,633 --> 00:07:28,766 HE CAME OUT AND NAMED YOU AND SUPPORTED YOU. 156 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,966 ARE YOU SURE THE CITY WOULD NOT BE PICKING UP TRASH IF IT WERE 157 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,366 NOT FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT IT? 158 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,400 I MEAN, THESE ARE THINGS CITIES ROUTINELY DO. 159 00:07:37,433 --> 00:07:38,366 >> Kim: RIGHT. 160 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:39,866 YES. 161 00:07:39,900 --> 00:07:42,700 UNFORTUNATELY, NOT IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD. 162 00:07:42,733 --> 00:07:44,566 AND SO, THAT'S THE PART ABOUT BALTIMORE. 163 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,866 THERE IS A TALE OF TWO BALTIMORES. 164 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:49,533 NOT ALL NEIGHBORHOODS ARE TREATED EQUALLY PRETTY OF EAST 165 00:07:49,566 --> 00:07:53,166 AND WEST BALTIMORE, THEN THE SUBPARTS OF SOUTH BALTIMORE, 166 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:58,633 FEDERAL HILL WHICH IS TREATED GREAT, PORT COVINGTON WAS AN 167 00:07:58,666 --> 00:07:59,800 UPCOMING COMING PROPERTIES, TON OF RESOURCES. 168 00:07:59,833 --> 00:08:03,200 YOU WILL NEVER SEE TRASH OR RATS IN THESE AREAS, BUT IN 169 00:08:03,233 --> 00:08:04,500 PARTS OF EAST BALTIMORE AND WEST BALTIMORE AND SOUTH 170 00:08:04,533 --> 00:08:08,200 BALTIMORE IN CHERRY HILL YOU WILL SEE A ILLEGAL DUMPING AND 171 00:08:08,233 --> 00:08:13,000 VACANT HOUSES AND TRASH EVERYWHERE. 172 00:08:13,033 --> 00:08:16,300 SO JUST I WOULD SAY PROBABLY A MONTH AGO, CITY HALL HAD A 173 00:08:16,333 --> 00:08:20,233 MEETING WITH THOSE THAT ARE CONNECTED TO THE 311 SERVICE, 174 00:08:20,266 --> 00:08:22,966 THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE CALLED HAVE TRASH AND THINGS ARE MOVED, AND 175 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:23,533 THEY HAD A MEETING. 176 00:08:23,566 --> 00:08:25,300 I WENT TO SIT IN ON IT. 177 00:08:25,333 --> 00:08:28,366 I DO NOT HAVE TO TALK, JUST WANTED TO HEAR WHAT WAS GOING 178 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:29,500 ON. 179 00:08:29,533 --> 00:08:30,033 THEN THEY ALL REALIZE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE NEVER BEEN IN A 180 00:08:30,066 --> 00:08:31,400 ROOM TOGETHER BEFORE. 181 00:08:31,433 --> 00:08:37,166 NEVER TALKED ABOUT WHY WE'VE HAD SO MANY ISSUES GETTING THIS 182 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,233 DONE. 183 00:08:38,266 --> 00:08:39,433 THEY EVEN TALKED ABOUT HOW EFFECTIVE ONLY HAD FIVE 184 00:08:39,466 --> 00:08:42,633 VENDORS, I GUESS, GOING AROUND TO CUT GRASS IN CITY-OWNED 185 00:08:42,666 --> 00:08:43,433 PROPERTIES. 186 00:08:43,466 --> 00:08:45,066 THAT'S WHY THERE WAS SUCH A BACKLOG. 187 00:08:45,100 --> 00:08:48,766 THEY ARE JUST NOW FINDING OUT ALL THESE INEFFICIENCIES WITHIN 188 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,800 THIS DEPARTMENT OR MANY DEPARTMENTS CONNECTED TO THE 189 00:08:52,833 --> 00:08:53,966 311 SERVICES. 190 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,333 AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT MEETING WAS NOT ON THE BOOKS UNTIL 191 00:08:55,366 --> 00:08:58,733 AFTER THE RATS IN TRASH VIDEOS. 192 00:08:58,766 --> 00:09:02,333 >> Bonnie: HASN'T THERE BEEN SOME PUBLICITY AROUND THE FACT 193 00:09:02,366 --> 00:09:09,233 THAT BALTIMORE IS LOSING POPULATION, IT'S A DWINDLING IN 194 00:09:09,266 --> 00:09:14,066 TERMS OF PEOPLE AND IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT, TAX BASE. 195 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:14,733 >> Kim: YEAH. 196 00:09:14,766 --> 00:09:18,000 >> Bonnie: IS LOSING PEOPLE. 197 00:09:18,033 --> 00:09:21,700 AND THE -- PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOT OUT THERE SUPPORTING URBAN 198 00:09:21,733 --> 00:09:26,700 RENEWAL THAT I KNOW OF, IF ANYTHING, HE IS CUTTING BACK 199 00:09:26,733 --> 00:09:31,433 FEDERAL HOUSING GRANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 200 00:09:31,466 --> 00:09:33,366 AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT BALTIMORE, BECAUSE OF THE 201 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,266 DWINDLING TAX BASE, CANNOT POSSIBLY FIX ITSELF WITHOUT 202 00:09:37,300 --> 00:09:39,800 FEDERAL SUPPORT. 203 00:09:39,833 --> 00:09:41,333 WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT ISSUE? 204 00:09:41,366 --> 00:09:43,533 >> Kim: WELL, WE COULD DEFINITELY USE MORE FEDERAL 205 00:09:43,566 --> 00:09:46,000 SUPPORT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT PLACING THE BLAME OTHER 206 00:09:46,033 --> 00:09:47,866 THAN ON THEMSELVES. 207 00:09:47,900 --> 00:09:50,366 BALTIMORE CITY IS VERY ANTIBUSINESS. 208 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:51,366 THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN. 209 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,933 RIGHT NOW THEY ARE VOTING ON A PLASTIC BAG BAN. 210 00:09:54,966 --> 00:09:59,433 WITH THAT BAN THEY WILL ACTUALLY HAVE PAPER BAGS WHERE 211 00:09:59,466 --> 00:10:01,166 THAT IS GOING TO COME TO ATTACKS TO THE CONSUMER AND TO 212 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:06,533 THE ACTUAL STORES -- >> Bonnie: 213 00:10:06,566 --> 00:10:08,466 [CROSS TALK] >> Bonnie: YOU MEAN D.C. 214 00:10:08,500 --> 00:10:13,333 ALREADY DOES, THEY CHARGE YOU FIVE CENTS FOR A PLASTIC BAG, 215 00:10:13,366 --> 00:10:16,666 BUT A PAPER BAG THERE IS NO CHARGE? 216 00:10:16,700 --> 00:10:17,766 >> Kim: NO, NO. 217 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,366 FIVE CENTS PER PAPERBACK IN PLASTIC BAGS WILL NOT BE 218 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:21,600 AVAILABLE. 219 00:10:21,633 --> 00:10:24,533 THEY BELIEVE THAT PLASTIC IS POLLUTING THE STREETS, SO THEY 220 00:10:24,566 --> 00:10:25,533 WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. 221 00:10:25,566 --> 00:10:27,900 >> Bonnie: ARE THEY WRONG ABOUT THAT? 222 00:10:27,933 --> 00:10:29,566 >> Kim: WELL, I'VE BEEN OUT THERE WITH THE TRASH. 223 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,633 I DID NOT SEE A TON OF PLASTIC BAGS, I HAVE TO TELL YOU. 224 00:10:31,666 --> 00:10:35,466 I SAW MORE MATTRESSES AND DRYWALL IN FURNISHINGS. 225 00:10:35,500 --> 00:10:41,100 I DID NOT SEE A TON OF PLASTIC BAGS, BUT I HAVE NOT BEEN ON 226 00:10:41,133 --> 00:10:41,933 EVERY STREET. 227 00:10:41,966 --> 00:10:42,633 I CANNOT SAY THAT THEY ARE NOT THERE. 228 00:10:42,666 --> 00:10:45,033 BUT THEY EVEN BANNED STYROFOAM. 229 00:10:45,066 --> 00:10:49,066 THERE WAS PUSHBACK FROM MOM-AND-POP SHOPS THAT 230 00:10:49,100 --> 00:10:51,966 BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE TO GO CONTAINERS WERE STYROFOAM 231 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,633 AND THEY ARE CHEAPER FOR THEM AND ABLE TO DO AND USE THOSE. 232 00:10:54,666 --> 00:10:57,833 THEY BANNED THOSE THAT WAS ANOTHER HIT AGAINST THE SMALL 233 00:10:57,866 --> 00:10:59,066 BUSINESS. 234 00:10:59,100 --> 00:11:02,733 SO THEY ARE ANTIBUSINESS, AND SO THEY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND -- I 235 00:11:02,766 --> 00:11:06,866 KNOW THEY LOVE TO I CALL IT GRANDSTANDING. 236 00:11:06,900 --> 00:11:10,200 YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO GET ON ON THE TRENDS ACROSS THE 237 00:11:10,233 --> 00:11:12,200 NATION, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WHEN IT COMES TO BALTIMORE CITY AND 238 00:11:12,233 --> 00:11:14,666 OUR LOW POPULATION AND THE CRIME AND VIOLENCE AND 239 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:17,400 HOMELESSNESS, YOU HAVE TO DO A CARVE OUT WHEN IT COMES TO SOME 240 00:11:17,433 --> 00:11:19,700 OF THESE THINGS THEY WANT TO BE ON TOP OF. 241 00:11:19,733 --> 00:11:20,833 I GET IT. 242 00:11:20,866 --> 00:11:24,366 IT SOUNDS GREAT TO WANT TO BE FOR POLLUTION -- AGAINST 243 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:25,633 POLLUTION AND FOR CLIMATE CHANGE AND ALL. 244 00:11:25,666 --> 00:11:30,166 IT SOUNDS LOVELY AND I WISH WE WERE AT THAT LEVEL, BUT WE ARE 245 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:31,233 JUST NOT. 246 00:11:31,266 --> 00:11:33,200 >> Bonnie: MOST MILLENNIALS, AND I PRESUME YOU ARE 247 00:11:33,233 --> 00:11:34,400 MILLENNIAL OREGON GEN X.> Kim: THANKS LYFT. 248 00:11:34,433 --> 00:11:40,400 >> Bonnie: MOST MILLENNIALS SEE CLIMATE CHANGE -- THIS IS 249 00:11:40,433 --> 00:11:44,700 WHERE THE PRESIDENT IS LOSING YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE CRAZY, 250 00:11:44,733 --> 00:11:51,633 BECAUSE THEY FEEL THOSE THINGS ARE NECESSARY, THAT THERE WILL 251 00:11:51,666 --> 00:11:54,933 NOT BE, YOU KNOW, SUSTAINED HUMAN LIFE ON EARTH WITHOUT 252 00:11:54,966 --> 00:11:57,366 MAKING MAJOR CHANGES TO THE WAY WE LIVE. 253 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,900 WHY DO YOU OPPOSE YOUR GENERATION ON THIS ISSUE? 254 00:12:00,933 --> 00:12:02,100 >> Kim: I DON'T OPPOSE THEM. 255 00:12:02,133 --> 00:12:05,933 I GUESS I ASSOCIATE IT AS A PRIORITY AMONG OTHER THINGS AT 256 00:12:05,966 --> 00:12:07,133 THIS POINT. 257 00:12:07,166 --> 00:12:09,600 OUR HOMELESS POPULATION IN BALTIMORE CITY, LIKE YOU SAID, 258 00:12:09,633 --> 00:12:13,500 THE POPULATION ITSELF IS DWINDLING, BUT OUR HOMELESS 259 00:12:13,533 --> 00:12:14,733 POPULATION IS OUT OF CONTROL. 260 00:12:14,766 --> 00:12:17,800 SURE, WE COULD HAVE CLEAN AIR ACT AS IF YOU'RE LIVING ON THE 261 00:12:17,833 --> 00:12:19,000 STREETS, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S GREAT. 262 00:12:19,033 --> 00:12:20,733 BUT WE HAVE TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE 263 00:12:20,766 --> 00:12:21,900 DOING RIGHT NOW IS NOT WORKING. 264 00:12:21,933 --> 00:12:26,366 OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, I HEAR BERNIE SANDERS AND 265 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,966 ELIZABETH WARREN TALKING ABOUT FREE COLLEGE. 266 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,166 FREE COLLEGE, YOU'VE GOT TO GET IN FIRST. 267 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:32,966 WE HAVE KIDS THAT CANNOT EVEN GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL, WE HAVE 268 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:38,600 KIDS THAT CANNOT PASS, YOU KNOW, BASIC MATH AND READING 269 00:12:38,633 --> 00:12:39,866 COURSES. 270 00:12:39,900 --> 00:12:41,566 IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL BE LEFT BEHIND BECAUSE A LOT OF 271 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,666 EMPLOYERS WILL SAY, WELL, WHERE IS YOUR FREE COLLEGE? 272 00:12:43,700 --> 00:12:45,666 IT'S FREE? 273 00:12:45,700 --> 00:12:46,366 WHY ISN'T IT ON YOUR RESUME? 274 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,600 YOU'VE GOT TO GET IN. 275 00:12:48,633 --> 00:12:50,700 BEFORE WE TAKE THAT STEP, I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT 276 00:12:50,733 --> 00:12:53,733 ALL THE CHILDREN ARE EDUCATED ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO 277 00:12:53,766 --> 00:12:56,200 THAT FREE COLLEGE, BECAUSE IT IS A PRIVILEGE. 278 00:12:56,233 --> 00:12:58,133 >> Bonnie: SO YOU ARE BLAMING IT ON THE SCHOOLS, NOT ON THE 279 00:12:58,166 --> 00:12:58,633 PARENTS? 280 00:12:58,666 --> 00:13:00,233 >> Kim: NO, NO, NO. 281 00:13:00,266 --> 00:13:01,400 NOT AT ALL. 282 00:13:01,433 --> 00:13:05,000 I USED TO DO HOME VISITS, I WAS VENDOR FOR BALTIMORE CITY 283 00:13:05,033 --> 00:13:06,200 SCHOOLS. 284 00:13:06,233 --> 00:13:07,333 TRUST ME, I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF PROBLEMS AT HOME AS WELL. 285 00:13:07,366 --> 00:13:11,300 BUT IT'S HOME --> Bonnie: HOW CAN YOU EXPECT A CHILD 286 00:13:11,333 --> 00:13:16,100 WHOSE MOTHER IS A PROSTITUTE AND IS ADDICTED TO CRACK OR 287 00:13:16,133 --> 00:13:21,500 HEROIN OR OPIOIDS, WHATEVER IT IS, AND DOES NOT EVEN FEED THE 288 00:13:21,533 --> 00:13:25,433 KID BREAKFAST TO DO WELL IN FIRST GRADE? 289 00:13:25,466 --> 00:13:28,000 >> Kim: THAT'S A TOUGH ISSUE, IT IS. 290 00:13:28,033 --> 00:13:32,400 AND I KNOW WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE SO MANY METHADONE 291 00:13:32,433 --> 00:13:34,133 CLINICS IN WEST BALTIMORE, YOU WOULD THINK YOU COULD HANDLE 292 00:13:34,166 --> 00:13:35,400 SOME OF THIS. 293 00:13:35,433 --> 00:13:37,000 THAT'S ANOTHER THING, WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND SEE 294 00:13:37,033 --> 00:13:40,300 IF THE METHADONE CLINICS ARE WORKING AND WHAT'S GOING ON. 295 00:13:40,333 --> 00:13:42,400 BUT IT IS A PROBLEM, MAJOR PROBLEM. 296 00:13:42,433 --> 00:13:46,600 I KNOW SOMEBODY, DR. THOMPSON BACK IN DR. DORNEY, WHO USED TO 297 00:13:46,633 --> 00:13:49,233 BE THE CEO OF THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, I THINK YOU PROPOSE TO 298 00:13:49,266 --> 00:13:52,833 DO IN BOARDING SCHOOL FOR SOME KIDS THAT MAY BE HAD A TOUGH 299 00:13:52,866 --> 00:13:53,700 HOME LIFE. 300 00:13:53,733 --> 00:13:54,933 THEY SAID NO, THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED. 301 00:13:54,966 --> 00:13:57,900 THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY ARE SPENDING PER PUPIL, THEY COULD 302 00:13:57,933 --> 00:13:58,933 ACTUALLY AFFORD THAT, YOU KNOW? 303 00:13:58,966 --> 00:14:04,466 I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF OBSTACLES, THERE IS. 304 00:14:04,500 --> 00:14:05,200 YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THE PARENTS. 305 00:14:05,233 --> 00:14:06,800 I'M NOT BLAMING THE TEACHERS. 306 00:14:06,833 --> 00:14:10,100 THEY ARE JUST SO MANY OBSTACLES THAT IT'S TOUGH, BUT THERE ARE 307 00:14:10,133 --> 00:14:12,666 OTHER CITIES LIKE D.C. THAT DO WELL. 308 00:14:12,700 --> 00:14:15,100 I KNOW IT'S POSSIBLE. 309 00:14:15,133 --> 00:14:20,433 >> Bonnie: DESCRIBED TO ME THEN HOW IT FELT TO BECOME SORT 310 00:14:20,466 --> 00:14:22,566 OF SOCIAL MEDIA FAMOUS BECAUSE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP . TELL ME 311 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:28,666 ABOUT HOW THAT WENT FOR YOU. 312 00:14:28,700 --> 00:14:29,700 >> Kim: INTERESTING FOR SURE. 313 00:14:29,733 --> 00:14:31,833 I LOST A LOT OF PEOPLE I THOUGHT WERE MY FRIENDS. 314 00:14:31,866 --> 00:14:34,966 YOU KNOW, AT THIS TIME I WAS DOING MEDIA ALREADY. 315 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,633 AND SO, I GUESS WHEN YOU'RE IN THAT MEDIA BUSINESS, EVERYONE 316 00:14:38,666 --> 00:14:42,900 WANTS THE HIT STORY, EVERYONE WANTS TO GO VIRAL. 317 00:14:42,933 --> 00:14:45,166 AND SO IT WAS TOUGH BECAUSE I HAD ACTUALLY HAVE -- I HAD 318 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:49,000 SOMEONE I CONSIDERED A CLOSE FRIEND, THEY SAW THE VIDEO 319 00:14:49,033 --> 00:14:50,366 SINCE ALL TRUMP TWEET IT AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, YOUR 320 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,933 VIDEOS ARE NOT COMPREHENSIVE ENOUGH. 321 00:14:52,966 --> 00:14:58,233 A WEEK LATER I REALIZED HE HAD A BALTIMORE VIDEO COMING OUT, 322 00:14:58,266 --> 00:15:02,133 BUT IT WAS ABOUT THE VACANCIES AND HOMELESS. 323 00:15:02,166 --> 00:15:03,500 IT DID NOT DO ANY VIEWS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE RATS AND 324 00:15:03,533 --> 00:15:04,533 TRASH I'VE TAKEN OVER. 325 00:15:04,566 --> 00:15:07,566 I JUST IT MAY BE WHY HE WAS NOT SO HAPPY ABOUT IT. 326 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:12,633 BUT, YEAH, I LEARNED VERY QUICKLY HOW CUTTHROAT MEDIA 327 00:15:12,666 --> 00:15:16,800 BUSINESS CAN BE AND, YOU KNOW, MY MOM WAS A LITTLE WORRIED FOR 328 00:15:16,833 --> 00:15:17,666 MY SAFETY. 329 00:15:17,700 --> 00:15:19,300 [LAUGHTER] >> Kim: SHE'S LIKE, OH, NO. 330 00:15:19,333 --> 00:15:21,000 SHE'S HARD-CORE DEMOCRAT. 331 00:15:21,033 --> 00:15:24,600 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO KNOW THAT I'M YOUR MOM AND YOU SUPPORT 332 00:15:24,633 --> 00:15:26,833 TRUMP AND THEY ARE GOING TO GET ME AT WORK. 333 00:15:26,866 --> 00:15:31,400 UNLIKE, MOM, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 334 00:15:31,433 --> 00:15:32,000 SO SHE WAS FINE. 335 00:15:32,033 --> 00:15:32,500 I SAID IT'S A NEWS CYCLE. 336 00:15:32,533 --> 00:15:33,533 IT GOES ON. 337 00:15:33,566 --> 00:15:37,200 MAYBE GOES ON FOR THREE DAYS AND THEN IT'S OVER. 338 00:15:37,233 --> 00:15:39,166 >> Bonnie: BUT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ALL NEGATIVES. 339 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,633 WERE THERE POSITIVES TO IT? 340 00:15:41,666 --> 00:15:45,133 >> Kim: IT WAS TOUGH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A WEIRD 341 00:15:45,166 --> 00:15:46,366 FEELING. 342 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:47,633 THE LOCAL MEDIA STATIONS WERE LIKE, HOW DEAR YOU, CALLED THIS 343 00:15:47,666 --> 00:15:48,533 #WE ARE BALTIMORE STARTED. 344 00:15:48,566 --> 00:15:53,933 HOW DARE YOU SHOW THE TRASH IN THE RATS? 345 00:15:53,966 --> 00:15:55,033 WE ARE MORE THAN THAT. 346 00:15:55,066 --> 00:15:59,033 I SAY, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU TO BASICALLY SAY THIS IS NOT 347 00:15:59,066 --> 00:16:01,433 HAPPENING OR NOT IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, YOU 348 00:16:01,466 --> 00:16:05,200 ARE BASICALLY JUST KIND OF SAYING, OKAY, SLEEP THOUGHT 349 00:16:05,233 --> 00:16:06,366 UNDER THE RUG YOU ARE NOT DOING ANY FAVORS. 350 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,766 IT'S NOT HELPING THEM IN ANY WAY.UT THEN I WOULD GO BACK 351 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,633 TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS I WAS IN BED I SHOT THE VIDEOS, AND THEY 352 00:16:13,666 --> 00:16:15,000 WERE LIKE, KIM YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE IT, PEOPLE ARE COMING 353 00:16:15,033 --> 00:16:15,466 TO PICK IT UP. 354 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:17,566 WE ARE SO HAPPY. 355 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:18,700 SO EXCITED. 356 00:16:18,733 --> 00:16:20,766 SO THAT'S WHEN I TALKED TO PEOPLE WON-ON-ONE. YOU KNOW 357 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:21,833 WHAT? 358 00:16:21,866 --> 00:16:24,633 IF THIS IS WHAT TRUMP DOES, I MIGHT VOTE FOR TRUMP. 359 00:16:24,666 --> 00:16:28,900 >> Bonnie: BUT WHAT DID HE -- I MEAN, DID HE CHANGE ANY 360 00:16:28,933 --> 00:16:30,733 POLICIES? 361 00:16:30,766 --> 00:16:36,600 DID HE GIVE THE MONEY -- I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A 362 00:16:36,633 --> 00:16:37,766 ONE-OFF DEAL. 363 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,033 THIS IS GOING TO MEAN THAT ALL THE POOR NEIGHBORHOODS IN 364 00:16:39,066 --> 00:16:43,700 BALTIMORE, AND WE KNOW CLIMATE CHANGE, A LOT OF THOSE THINGS, 365 00:16:43,733 --> 00:16:47,133 ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AFFECT POOR NEIGHBORHOODS MORE BECAUSE 366 00:16:47,166 --> 00:16:51,733 THEY DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO HIRE ENOUGH GARBAGE 367 00:16:51,766 --> 00:16:54,200 COLLECTORS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE WHATEVER IT IS, ENOUGH 368 00:16:54,233 --> 00:17:00,900 MONEY TO GET THE CORPORATIONS DUMPING TOXIC WASTE TO DO IT 369 00:17:00,933 --> 00:17:02,833 SOMEWHERE ELSE, LIKE THE RICH NEIGHBORHOODS 370 00:17:02,866 --> 00:17:03,966 HAVE. 371 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:09,366 SO, I MEAN, OR THEY MAY BE GIVING HIM TOO MUCH CREDIT? 372 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,733 IS THIS MEAN FOREVER HE IS FIX THAT PROBLEM? 373 00:17:12,766 --> 00:17:15,800 >> Kim: NO, BUT I THINK PEOPLE NOW KNOW IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS 374 00:17:15,833 --> 00:17:18,533 THEY DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT IT. 375 00:17:18,566 --> 00:17:19,933 THE FACT THAT THEY GOT ON IT AND CLEANED IT UP, YOU KNOW, 376 00:17:19,966 --> 00:17:23,866 ALMOST IMMEDIATELY, THEY THEN REALIZE, WOW, SO SOMEONE 377 00:17:23,900 --> 00:17:26,866 ACTUALLY CAN COME GET THIS ONE WE ASK SOMEONE TO CONNECT I 378 00:17:26,900 --> 00:17:27,933 LIKE TO REMIND PEOPLE THERE WAS -- ÷¦ 379 00:17:27,966 --> 00:17:31,700 >> Bonnie: WERE THEY 20 ALREADY ASKING? 380 00:17:31,733 --> 00:17:35,000 >> Kim: THERE WAS A BACKLOG AND THAT'S WHY THEY DID THE 311 381 00:17:35,033 --> 00:17:37,233 SERVICES MEETING. 382 00:17:37,266 --> 00:17:39,200 311 SAID, WE NEED MORE MONEY. 383 00:17:39,233 --> 00:17:43,266 WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT CAN GO INTO THESE CERTAIN 384 00:17:43,300 --> 00:17:45,633 NEIGHBORHOODS TO CLEAN. 385 00:17:45,666 --> 00:17:46,866 YOU KNOW? 386 00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:48,533 SO THEN THEY ASKED, HOW COME OUR REASON AND EVERYTHING ELSE 387 00:17:48,566 --> 00:17:50,333 IS CLEANED? 388 00:17:50,366 --> 00:17:51,766 THEY ARE LIKE, OKAY, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE OKAY TO GO IN 389 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,033 THESE NEIGHBORHOODS TO CLEAN. 390 00:17:55,066 --> 00:17:57,866 THEY MADE IT MORE OF A SO VIOLENT DON'T WANT TO BE THERE. 391 00:17:57,900 --> 00:18:02,166 BUT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS SOME PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THERE 392 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:07,366 REALLY IS A TALE TO OF TWO BALTIMORE'S. 393 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,166 I'M NOT GOING TO BE THE LAST EITHER. 394 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,366 THE FACT YOU CAN GO FIVE BLOCKS OVER AND FEEL LIKE YOU ARE IN A 395 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,133 TOTALLY DIFFERENT WORLD. 396 00:18:15,166 --> 00:18:19,466 AFTER 2015 RIOTS WHEN FREDDIE GRAY, AND I SAY KILLED BECAUSE 397 00:18:19,500 --> 00:18:23,533 HE DEFINITELY DID NOT DIE IN HIS OWN IN THE BACK OF THE 398 00:18:23,566 --> 00:18:25,300 PADDY WAGON, BUT AFTER THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE RIOTS IN 399 00:18:25,333 --> 00:18:28,333 THE LOOTERS. 400 00:18:28,366 --> 00:18:30,800 UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN WHEN BERNIE SANDERS CAME TO TOWN, HE SAID, 401 00:18:30,833 --> 00:18:34,466 WOW, LOOKS LIKE ONE-THIRD WORLD COUNTRY OVER HERE.THAT'S THE 402 00:18:34,500 --> 00:18:38,766 NEIGHBORHOOD I WAS IN WITH THE RATS AND TRASH. 403 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,166 I WAS THERE FOR TWO WEEKS AND I HAD TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL. 404 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,300 I GOT BIT BY A RAT NIGHTS. 405 00:18:42,333 --> 00:18:43,733 I DID NOT KNOW RATS HAD LIGHTS. 406 00:18:43,766 --> 00:18:46,966 APPARENTLY, THEY CARRY MITES ON THEM. 407 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,900 I DID NOT ACTUALLY GO IN TOUCH A RAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 408 00:18:50,933 --> 00:18:52,100 >> Bonnie: JUST THE COVERAGE YOU ARE HANDLING. 409 00:18:52,133 --> 00:18:54,700 >> Kim: AND I WAS IN ABANDONED HOMES. 410 00:18:54,733 --> 00:18:55,866 THERE WERE MITES ALL AROUND. 411 00:18:55,900 --> 00:18:58,466 YOU KNOW, THESE ARE PEOPLE DEALING WITH US ALL THE TIME 412 00:18:58,500 --> 00:18:59,700 AND IT'S TOUGH. 413 00:18:59,733 --> 00:19:02,200 I THINK THEY NEED SOMEONE TO COME AND HELP THEM IN PRESIDENT 414 00:19:02,233 --> 00:19:04,633 TRUMP POINTED OUT ALL THE MONEY THAT WAS SENT TO BALTIMORE IN 415 00:19:04,666 --> 00:19:07,533 THE PAST FOUR YEARS S. 416 00:19:07,566 --> 00:19:10,400 NO ONE SEEMS TO HAVE AN ACCOUNTING FOR THAT. 417 00:19:10,433 --> 00:19:12,366 THERE IS PROBABLY A GOOD AUDIT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AS WELL. 418 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,300 >> Bonnie: INTERESTING. 419 00:19:14,333 --> 00:19:19,333 NOW, DO YOU THINK THIS REPUBLICAN PARTY OR HOW DO YOU 420 00:19:19,366 --> 00:19:24,566 THINK THIS REPUBLICAN PARTY IS GOING TO DO IN THE PRESIDENTIAL 421 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:25,200 ELECTION IN 2020? 422 00:19:25,233 --> 00:19:29,866 >> Kim: IT'S TOUGH TO SAY. 423 00:19:29,900 --> 00:19:34,000 YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THE MARGINS AND I SAY, OKAY. 424 00:19:34,033 --> 00:19:36,300 GOSH, ESPECIALLY IN VIRGINIA, TRUMP, HE WON IN SOME OF THOSE 425 00:19:36,333 --> 00:19:43,200 COUNTIES THAT LOST LAST WEEK FAIRLY WELL, EVEN UP BY 20. 426 00:19:43,233 --> 00:19:45,566 THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A DEMOCRATIC TAKEOVER IN THOSE 427 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,533 AREAS, WHICH THE INCUMBENT WAS REPUBLICAN FOREVER, THAT'S -- 428 00:19:49,566 --> 00:19:53,700 THAT'S FRUSTRATING. 429 00:19:53,733 --> 00:19:57,233 I HOPE THE GOP, THE RNC TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, OKAY, WE 430 00:19:57,266 --> 00:19:58,200 HAVE TO GET BOOTS ON THE GROUND. 431 00:19:58,233 --> 00:20:01,300 BECAUSE, OTHERWISE, IT WILL BE SKETCHY. 432 00:20:01,333 --> 00:20:04,066 I THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP IS DOING A GOOD JOB. 433 00:20:04,100 --> 00:20:05,300 HIS RALLIES ARE ALL ENTERTAINING, ALWAYS LOTS OF 434 00:20:05,333 --> 00:20:07,333 PEOPLE THERE. 435 00:20:07,366 --> 00:20:09,766 BUT HE'S JUST ONE PERSON, YOU KNOW? 436 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,533 THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A TEAM. 437 00:20:11,566 --> 00:20:15,000 >> Bonnie: DO YOU EVER WISH THERE WERE A THIRD PARTY? 438 00:20:15,033 --> 00:20:19,033 I'M ASKING THAT BECAUSE IT'S WANTING TO GO FROM BEING A 439 00:20:19,066 --> 00:20:23,233 DEMOCRAT TO BEING MAY BE AN INDEPENDENT OR EVEN A LIBERAL 440 00:20:23,266 --> 00:20:28,633 REPUBLICAN, WHO DON'T EXIST ANYMORE, REALLY, BUT USED TO BE 441 00:20:28,666 --> 00:20:30,600 A VIBRANT PART OF THE PARTY MAY BE TRYING TO BUILD THAT UP 442 00:20:30,633 --> 00:20:33,333 AGAIN TO BEING A TRUMPER. 443 00:20:33,366 --> 00:20:35,400 >> Kim: I LOOK AT AS TRUMP IS NOT REALLY A REPUBLICAN. 444 00:20:35,433 --> 00:20:38,000 BECAUSE HE WAS A DEMOCRAT. 445 00:20:38,033 --> 00:20:41,433 LOOK AT HIM OR IF IT'S INDEPENDENT. 446 00:20:41,466 --> 00:20:43,800 REMEMBER WHEN YOU FIRST GOT IN OFFICE, OR NO,, HE'S GOING TO 447 00:20:43,833 --> 00:20:44,400 DO FOR EVERYONE. 448 00:20:44,433 --> 00:20:48,066 HE'S GOING TO DEPART DACA. 449 00:20:48,100 --> 00:20:48,933 HE HASN'T DONE THAT. 450 00:20:48,966 --> 00:20:51,033 I DON'T THINK HE EVER REALLY WANTED TO. 451 00:20:51,066 --> 00:20:57,633 MY FATHER USED TO SAY I'M SOCIALLY LIBERAL AND PHYSICALLY 452 00:20:57,666 --> 00:20:58,933 CONSERVATIVE BELIEVE THAT POINT OF A NONPROFIT UP AND 453 00:20:58,966 --> 00:21:03,100 DOING WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT FOR SEVEN YEARS IN BALTIMORE, SOME 454 00:21:03,133 --> 00:21:04,833 PARTS OF WEST BALTIMORE. 455 00:21:04,866 --> 00:21:06,366 I DO HELP PEOPLE. 456 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,066 I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE EXTREMISTS. 457 00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:11,633 OH, PULL YOURSELF BY YOUR BOOTSTRAPS. 458 00:21:11,666 --> 00:21:14,233 YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU NEED HELPOU KNOW? 459 00:21:14,266 --> 00:21:18,100 I HAVE HAD HELP IN MY PAST. 460 00:21:18,133 --> 00:21:21,433 AND SO I CANNOT IMAGINE TURNING MY BACK ON ANYONE, BUT AT THE 461 00:21:21,466 --> 00:21:24,433 SAME TIME IT'S LIKE WE CANNOT JUST KEEP HANDING THEM THINGS 462 00:21:24,466 --> 00:21:26,633 AND THINKING THEY WILL EVENTUALLY DO FOR THEMSELVES. 463 00:21:26,666 --> 00:21:31,966 I LIKE TO BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, BRIDGE THAT GAP AND SAY, OKAY, 464 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,800 YOU MIGHT BE LIVING ON DEPENDENT ON THE GOVERNMENT 465 00:21:34,833 --> 00:21:38,133 NOW, BUT WHAT STEPS CAN WE TAKE TO GO TO FINANCIAL 466 00:21:38,166 --> 00:21:38,866 INDEPENDENCE? 467 00:21:38,900 --> 00:21:41,766 LET'S WORK ON IT, FIGURE IT OUT. 468 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:47,700 >> Bonnie: YOU MENTIONED IMMIGRATION, THAT HE'S DONE 469 00:21:47,733 --> 00:21:48,800 NOTHING ABOUT IT. 470 00:21:48,833 --> 00:21:49,500 I'M IN TOUCH WITH A LOT OF PRO-AND ANTI-IMMIGRATION 471 00:21:49,533 --> 00:21:50,333 GROUPS. 472 00:21:50,366 --> 00:21:51,833 THEY WOULD DISPUTE YOU ON THAT POINT. 473 00:21:51,866 --> 00:21:57,933 HE IS, BECAUSE OF MAKING MEXICO BE MORE VIGILANT ABOUT NOT 474 00:21:57,966 --> 00:22:01,766 LETTING SOUTH AMERICAN AND CENTRAL AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO ARE 475 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,366 ON THEIR WAY UP TO ILLEGALLY IMMIGRATING TO THE UNITED 476 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,666 STATES GO THROUGH THEIR SOUTHERN BORDER, HE IS ACTUALLY 477 00:22:08,700 --> 00:22:13,166 CUT WAY BACK ON THE NUMBER OF ILLEGAL ENTRIES TO THE UNITED 478 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,366 STATES. 479 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,866 BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, GIVE ME AN ISSUE WHERE HE HIS LIBERAL 480 00:22:18,900 --> 00:22:22,233 POLITICALLY.> Kim: I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT HE WAS 481 00:22:22,266 --> 00:22:25,566 ANTI-GAY OR ANTI-LGBTQ COMMUNITY. 482 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,166 I DON'T SEE THAT IN HIM. 483 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,000 I DON'T SEE HIM EVER -- HE TWEETS A LOT, YOU KNOW. 484 00:22:31,033 --> 00:22:32,133 LET'S BE HONEST. 485 00:22:32,166 --> 00:22:35,266 I DON'T SEE HIM TREATING ANYTHING ANTI-GAY OR ANYTHING 486 00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:36,333 LIKE THAT. 487 00:22:36,366 --> 00:22:39,566 >> Bonnie: I DON'T SEE HIM TO ANYTHING PRO LGBTQ? 488 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,766 >> Kim: HE STRIKES ME AS A GUY WHO PROBABLY DOES NOT PAY 489 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:44,333 ATTENTION TO IT. 490 00:22:44,366 --> 00:22:48,533 DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 491 00:22:48,566 --> 00:22:49,800 >> Kim: DOES NOT DESCRIBE A LIBERAL TWO-TIER? 492 00:22:49,833 --> 00:22:55,766 >> Kim: I DON'T THINK IS LIBERAL, YOU KNOW? 493 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,066 I THINK LIBERALS DO PAY ATTENTION TO THE GENDER AND 494 00:22:57,100 --> 00:22:58,133 IDENTITY POLITICS SIDE. 495 00:22:58,166 --> 00:23:00,866 BUT IF HE'S ANYTHING LIKE ME, NOTHING THAT I WOULD 496 00:23:00,900 --> 00:23:01,433 DISCRIMINATE SOMEONE. 497 00:23:01,466 --> 00:23:04,933 I'M NOT THAT LIFESTYLE. 498 00:23:04,966 --> 00:23:06,333 I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN ANYONE'S LOVE LIFE. 499 00:23:06,366 --> 00:23:09,300 I'M FOR SMALLER GOVERNMENT. 500 00:23:09,333 --> 00:23:11,866 SO, I THINK SOMETIMES, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE 501 00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:15,633 ARE A BIT CONFUSED ON WHAT ARE CONSERVATIVE VALUES VERSUS WHAT 502 00:23:15,666 --> 00:23:17,300 ARE NOT. 503 00:23:17,333 --> 00:23:21,666 >> Bonnie: AND WHAT ABOUT OTHER ISSUES WHERE YOU WOULD 504 00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:26,266 SAY THAT HE -- I MEAN, HE'S NOT LIBERAL ON WOMEN'S ISSUES FOR 505 00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:27,433 SURE. 506 00:23:27,466 --> 00:23:31,333 HE'S APPOINTED SUPREME COURT JUSTICES WHO ARE EXTREMELY 507 00:23:31,366 --> 00:23:35,366 CONSERVATIVE, VERY PRO-CORPORATE, VERY ENTIRE 508 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:41,566 SMALL BUSINESS, ETC., VERY -- YOU KNOW, HE'S A POPULIST AND 509 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,700 THAT WAY. 510 00:23:42,733 --> 00:23:44,300 BUT GIVE ME SOME -- CERTAINLY NOT PROGRESSIVE AT ALL ON 511 00:23:44,333 --> 00:23:49,066 ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. 512 00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:49,733 HE IS TOTALLY THE OTHER END. 513 00:23:49,766 --> 00:23:51,800 >> Kim: YEAH. 514 00:23:51,833 --> 00:23:53,000 I WAS LOOK AT THAT. 515 00:23:53,033 --> 00:23:56,400 I KNOW THIS MAY SOUND CRAZY, I LOOK AT THAT AS PERSONALITY 516 00:23:56,433 --> 00:23:58,200 TYPES TOO. 517 00:23:58,233 --> 00:24:01,000 SOME PEOPLE I THINK PERSONALITY TYPE, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE 518 00:24:01,033 --> 00:24:04,700 THINKING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ALL THE TIME. 519 00:24:04,733 --> 00:24:05,966 WE SEE THIS BACK IN HISTORY. 520 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,933 THEY CALLED THEM HIPPIES, I GUESS, TREE HOOKERS AND ALL 521 00:24:09,966 --> 00:24:11,166 THAT. 522 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,366 IT'S LIKE, I THINK SOMETIMES IF YOUR PERSONALITY DOES NOT FIT 523 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,133 WITH THAT, IT JUST DOESN'T. 524 00:24:15,166 --> 00:24:19,266 LIKE ME, I'M ALWAYS THINKING BUSINESS, RIGHT? 525 00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:21,466 SURE, SOMEONE MAY SAY, WELL, THAT'S NOT VERY SOCIALLY 526 00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:24,300 LIBERAL OF YOU. 527 00:24:24,333 --> 00:24:25,700 IT'S LIKE, WELL, NO, IN A WAY IT IS BECAUSE WHEN I SPEAK TO 528 00:24:25,733 --> 00:24:28,966 STUDENTS AT THE BALTIMORE CITY PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND I TELL THEM 529 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,366 THIS IS A WAY FOR YOU TO BE PRO-BUSINESS, YOU CAN BE AN 530 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,566 ENTREPRENEUR, YOU CAN DO THIS, THEY SAY, OH, WOW, WE CAN DO 531 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:36,733 THIS, THAT? 532 00:24:36,766 --> 00:24:39,500 THINK ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA, PEOPLE SPRINGING BUSINESSES ON 533 00:24:39,533 --> 00:24:41,833 SOCIAL MEDIA TODAY. 534 00:24:41,866 --> 00:24:43,366 THAT'S WHAT I BRING TO THE TABLE. 535 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,133 AS AN ENVIRONMENTALIST, THEY CAN BRING THAT TO THE TABLE. 536 00:24:47,166 --> 00:24:49,466 I WOULD NOT SHOO THEM AWAY AND I WOULD LISTEN. 537 00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:50,866 >> Bonnie: THANK YOU. 538 00:24:50,900 --> 00:24:52,400 INTERESTING OPINIONS. 539 00:24:52,433 --> 00:24:54,966 VERY INTERESTING TAKE. 540 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,700 REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME WITH US. 541 00:24:56,733 --> 00:24:57,333 >> Kim: THANK YOU. 542 00:24:57,366 --> 00:24:58,500 >> Bonnie: THANK YOU, KIM. 543 00:24:58,533 --> 00:25:01,666 BEST OF LUCK TO YOU IN YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS. 544 00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:02,366 >> Kim: THANK YOU. 545 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,833 APPRECIATE IT. 546 00:25:03,866 --> 00:25:06,466 >> Bonnie: THAT'S IT FOR THIS EDITION OF "TO THE CONTRARY". 547 00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:11,000 PLEASE FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER AND VISIT OUR WEBSITE, 548 00:25:11,033 --> 00:25:12,166 PBS.org/TOTHECONTRARY. 549 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,100 WHETHER YOU AGREE OR THINK TO THE CONTRARY, SEE YOU NEXT 550 00:25:15,133 --> 00:25:29,933 WEEK. 551 00:25:29,966 --> 00:25:33,466 FOR A TRANSCRIPT OR SEE AN ONLINE EPISODE OF "TO THE 552 00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:36,566 CONTRARY," PLEASE VISIT OUR PBS WEBSITE AT 553 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,733 PBS.ORG/TOTHECONTRARY.