WEBVTT 00:00.233 --> 00:00.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ♪♪ 00:00.800 --> 00:20.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BONNIE: HELLO. 00:20.200 --> 00:24.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I'’’M BONNIE ERBE. 00:24.366 --> 00:27.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY," A 00:27.900 --> 00:30.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL 00:30.866 --> 00:31.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TRENDS FROM DIVERSE 00:31.966 --> 00:32.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PERSPECTIVES. 00:32.400 --> 00:33.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% 30 YEARS AGO, ANITA HILL 00:33.633 --> 00:36.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TESTIFIED TO A SENATE HEARING 00:36.833 --> 00:39.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ABOUT SUPREME COURT NOMINEE 00:39.333 --> 00:39.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CLARENCE THOMAS. 00:39.800 --> 00:41.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IT WAS A BOLD MOVE. 00:41.766 --> 00:44.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HILL TOLD THE ALL-WHITE MALE 00:44.200 --> 00:44.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PANEL THAT THOMAS SEXUALLY 00:44.900 --> 00:48.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HARASSED HER WHEN SHE WORKED FOR 00:48.200 --> 00:48.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HIM AT THE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY 00:48.866 --> 00:51.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% EMPLOYMENT -- EQUAL EMPLOYMENT 00:51.133 --> 00:52.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% OPPORTUNITY COMMISSION. 00:52.166 --> 00:55.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THOMAS WAS STILL SELECTED TO 00:55.733 --> 00:57.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SERVE ON THE HIGH COURT, BUT 00:57.633 --> 00:59.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HILL'’’S BOLD TESTIMONY SERVED AS 00:59.766 --> 01:02.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE CATALYST FOR OTHER WOMEN TO 01:02.166 --> 01:03.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ABOUT 01:03.766 --> 01:07.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND ASSAULT IN 01:07.200 --> 01:07.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE WORKPLACE. 01:07.633 --> 01:10.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IT ALSO SET ANITA HILL ON A 01:10.833 --> 01:15.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% 30-YEAR JOURNEY TO END GENDER 01:15.666 --> 01:16.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% VIOLENCE. 01:16.033 --> 01:20.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TODAY, HILL IS A PROFESSOR OF 01:20.200 --> 01:21.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SOCIAL POLICY AND WOMEN'’’S GENDER 01:21.000 --> 01:22.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AND SEXUALITY STUDIES AT RAND 01:22.600 --> 01:25.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ICE UNIVERSITY. 01:25.133 --> 01:26.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SHE JOINS ME TODAY TO TALK ABOUT 01:26.766 --> 01:32.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HER NEW BOOK "BELIEVING." 01:32.100 --> 01:32.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WELCOME, ANITA HILL. 01:32.633 --> 01:33.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WE ARE SO THRILLED TO HAVE YOU. 01:33.900 --> 01:37.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MS. HILL: IT IS A PLEASURE TO BE 01:37.966 --> 01:38.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ON YOUR PROGRAM. 01:38.866 --> 01:41.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BONNIE: FIRST, TELL THE 01:41.100 --> 01:42.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AUDIENCE, WHY THE TITLE 01:42.133 --> 01:44.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% "BELIEVING?" 01:44.200 --> 01:48.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MS. HILL: IT REALLY CAME FROM 01:48.900 --> 01:49.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% LISTENING TO VICTIMS AND 01:49.500 --> 01:51.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SURVIVORS, HEARING ON THEM -- 01:51.666 --> 01:56.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HEARING FROM THEM, AND REALLY 01:56.133 --> 01:57.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BELIEVING THAT WE NEEDED TO DO 01:57.633 --> 02:00.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BETTER FROM ALL STANDPOINTS OF 02:00.633 --> 02:02.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE KIND OF BEHAVIOR THAT WE ARE 02:02.600 --> 02:04.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% EXPERIENCING, IF IT IS BULLYING 02:04.233 --> 02:07.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% OR SEXUAL ASSAULT OR HARASSMENT 02:07.766 --> 02:08.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% OR RAPE OR INTIMATE PARTNER 02:08.600 --> 02:08.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% VIOLENCE. 02:08.966 --> 02:12.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BONNIE: HAVE WE GOTTEN THERE 02:12.833 --> 02:13.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% YET? 02:13.100 --> 02:17.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MS. HILL: IN THE 30 YEARS, WE 02:17.733 --> 02:18.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CERTAINLY HAVE NOT GOTTEN WHERE 02:18.566 --> 02:19.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WE NEED TO BE. 02:19.300 --> 02:21.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I THINK WE HAVE MADE SOME 02:21.033 --> 02:21.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PROGRESS. 02:21.400 --> 02:24.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WE HAVE LEARNED TO IDENTIFY 02:24.400 --> 02:24.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BEHAVIORS. 02:24.766 --> 02:33.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WE HAVE TAPPED INTO AND MAYBE 02:33.033 --> 02:36.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ADJUSTED SOME OF OUR CULTURAL 02:36.600 --> 02:37.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% RESPONSES TO THE PROBLEM. 02:37.233 --> 02:40.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I THINK THERE'’’S LESS VICTIM 02:40.566 --> 02:45.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BLAMING GOING ON, BUT THAT'’’S NOT 02:45.866 --> 02:46.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ENTIRELY OVER. 02:46.300 --> 02:51.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WE STILL DISMISS THE HARM THIS 02:51.633 --> 02:53.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PROBLEM CAUSES INDIVIDUALS AND 02:53.900 --> 02:55.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% COMMUNITIES IN OUR SOCIETY AT 02:55.800 --> 02:56.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% LARGE. 02:56.100 --> 02:56.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN THERE WITH 02:56.800 --> 02:58.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% OUR STRUCTURES. 02:58.266 --> 03:00.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WE STILL HAVE POLICIES AND 03:00.233 --> 03:02.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PROCESSES IN PLACE THAT REALLY 03:02.066 --> 03:04.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HAVE FAILED US AND WILL CONTINUE 03:04.766 --> 03:08.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TO FAIL US UNTIL WE CHANGE THEM. 03:08.600 --> 03:12.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BONNIE: I REMEMBER COVERING THAT 03:12.533 --> 03:14.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HEARING. 03:14.500 --> 03:18.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I WAS WORKING FOR A RADIO 03:18.100 --> 03:19.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% NETWORK AS A SUPREME COURT 03:19.200 --> 03:20.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CORRESPONDENT AT THE TIME. 03:20.633 --> 03:23.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I REMEMBER THINKING OF YOU AS A 03:23.333 --> 03:25.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% REALLY BRAVE, REALLY SCARED 03:25.600 --> 03:27.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INDIVIDUAL, AND OF COURSE, 03:27.666 --> 03:28.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% APPROPRIATELY SO. 03:28.166 --> 03:31.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THAT HEARING SHATTERED THE 03:31.833 --> 03:32.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% UNIVERSE. 03:32.666 --> 03:34.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THERE YOU WERE, CONFRONTING A 03:34.833 --> 03:35.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MAN WHO EVERYBODY PRETTY MUCH 03:35.533 --> 03:39.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% KNEW WAS GOING TO GET THROUGH 03:39.900 --> 03:42.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% REGARDLESS. 03:42.233 --> 03:43.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HOW DID YOU FEEL? 03:43.366 --> 03:48.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MS. HILL: FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE 03:48.700 --> 03:50.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BEEN CALLED BRAVE OR COURAGEOUS, 03:50.166 --> 03:50.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AND I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND 03:50.933 --> 03:53.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THAT BEING COURAGEOUS DOES NOT 03:53.000 --> 03:56.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MEAN BEING FEARLESS. 03:56.066 --> 03:57.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WHEN YOU ARE COURAGEOUS, YOU 03:57.233 --> 03:59.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TAKE ON YOUR FEARS, AND THAT IS 03:59.366 --> 04:01.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% EXACTLY WHAT I TRIED TO DO, TO 04:01.500 --> 04:02.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TAKE ON MY FEARS. 04:02.000 --> 04:04.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I THOUGHT, AND I THINK EVEN 04:04.500 --> 04:09.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TODAY, THAT THE CONSEQUENCES OF 04:09.833 --> 04:15.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% NOT TESTIFYING WERE BIGGER THAN 04:15.233 --> 04:16.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ANY FEARS I HAD ABOUT 04:16.300 --> 04:16.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TESTIFYING. 04:16.700 --> 04:19.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SO I WAS ABLE TO OVERCOME THOSE 04:19.766 --> 04:22.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BECAUSE I REALIZED THAT AN 04:22.800 --> 04:24.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% APPOINTMENT TO THE HIGHEST COURT 04:24.000 --> 04:27.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IN OUR LAND FOR A LIFETIME 04:27.666 --> 04:33.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TENURE WAS BIGGER THAN ONE 04:33.200 --> 04:37.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INDIVIDUAL'’’S FEARS AND THAT IF 04:37.100 --> 04:39.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WE DID NOT CONFRONT -- IF I DID 04:39.666 --> 04:43.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% NOT TESTIFY TO WHAT I KNEW ABOUT 04:43.900 --> 04:44.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HIS BEHAVIOR, THAT THE COMMITTEE 04:44.666 --> 04:47.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WOULD NOT HAVE COMPLETE 04:47.266 --> 04:47.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INFORMATION TO EVALUATE THE 04:47.933 --> 04:51.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CHARACTER AND FITNESS OF 04:51.066 --> 04:51.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CLARENCE THOMAS FOR THE POSITION 04:51.800 --> 04:52.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ON THE COURT. 04:52.233 --> 04:54.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BONNIE: AND YET, HE WAS 04:54.366 --> 04:59.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CONFIRMED REGARDLESS BY A 04:59.233 --> 05:01.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% COMMITTEE CHAIRED BY THEN 05:01.500 --> 05:05.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SENATOR JOE BIDEN. 05:05.400 --> 05:08.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU -- YOU 05:08.266 --> 05:09.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% KNOW, YOU HAVE AN INSIDE TRACK 05:09.966 --> 05:13.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AT LEAST 30 YEARS AGO OF THE 05:13.966 --> 05:14.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THOUGHTS OF NOW PRESIDENT BIDEN. 05:14.733 --> 05:17.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% DO YOU FEEL YOU WERE TREATED 05:17.166 --> 05:17.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% FAIRLY? 05:17.766 --> 05:20.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MS. HILL: I THINK THE WHOLE 05:20.233 --> 05:21.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PROCESS WAS REALLY FLAWED. 05:21.300 --> 05:24.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THERE WERE SOME SPECIFIC 05:24.133 --> 05:24.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INSTANCES WHERE THE REPUBLICAN 05:24.833 --> 05:28.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SENATORS WERE ALLOWED TO ASK 05:28.633 --> 05:29.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WHATEVER THEY WANTED TO ASK OF 05:29.766 --> 05:32.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ME, BUT THEY WERE LIMITED IN 05:32.833 --> 05:34.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TERMS OF WHAT THEY COULD ASK OF 05:34.300 --> 05:34.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CLARENCE THOMAS. 05:34.766 --> 05:40.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THERE WERE FLAWS I BELIEVE WITH 05:40.666 --> 05:41.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE INVESTIGATION. 05:41.166 --> 05:42.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE INVESTIGATION WAS CONTROLLED 05:42.200 --> 05:45.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BY A BODY, THE FBI, THAT WAS 05:45.666 --> 05:47.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% REALLY UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE 05:47.033 --> 05:47.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PRESIDENT. 05:47.566 --> 05:50.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WE LEARNED THAT AGAIN IN 2018 05:50.766 --> 05:55.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP LIMITED THE 05:55.366 --> 05:55.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INVESTIGATION INTO JUDGE 05:55.966 --> 05:58.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% KAVANAUGH DURING HIS 05:58.900 --> 05:59.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CONFIRMATION HEARING. 05:59.466 --> 06:03.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BUT THE THING THAT I THINK 06:03.400 --> 06:04.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BOTHERS ME THE MOST ABOUT THE 06:04.100 --> 06:04.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WAY THE PROCESS WAS HANDLED WAS 06:04.833 --> 06:09.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THAT THERE WERE THREE 06:09.400 --> 06:10.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CORROBORATING WITNESSES AND EVEN 06:10.133 --> 06:14.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% A FOURTH WHO HAD THEIR OWN 06:14.233 --> 06:14.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% EXPERIENCES OF HARASSING 06:14.833 --> 06:15.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BEHAVIOR AND INAPPROPRIATE 06:15.700 --> 06:21.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BEHAVIOR THAT THOMAS HAD DONE 06:21.866 --> 06:25.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WITH THEM, AND THEY WERE NOT 06:25.100 --> 06:27.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CALLED. 06:27.033 --> 06:27.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THEY WERE NOT CALLED TO TESTIFY 06:27.766 --> 06:28.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PUBLICLY. 06:28.133 --> 06:31.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INSTEAD, THEIR TESTIMONY WAS PUT 06:31.733 --> 06:37.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IN THE RECORD IN WRITTEN FORM, 06:37.200 --> 06:39.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AND WE HAVE NOT ACTUALLY IN A 06:39.666 --> 06:40.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PUBLIC WAY HEARD FROM THEM SINCE 06:40.400 --> 06:40.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THEN. 06:40.700 --> 06:43.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I'’’M NOT SURE THEY WANT TO BOTHER 06:43.833 --> 06:45.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TO TESTIFY, BUT I THINK THERE 06:45.366 --> 06:48.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WAS JUST A TRAVESTY NOT TO CALL 06:48.233 --> 06:52.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THOSE WITNESSES BECAUSE THESE 06:52.866 --> 06:56.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WERE WOMEN I DID NOT KNOW. 06:56.433 --> 06:58.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THEY WERE NOT SAYING WHAT HAD 06:58.066 --> 07:00.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HAPPENED TO ME. 07:00.166 --> 07:02.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THEY WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT 07:02.600 --> 07:02.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THAT. 07:02.900 --> 07:03.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THEIR 07:03.766 --> 07:06.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% OWN EXPERIENCES OF HAVING BEEN 07:06.400 --> 07:08.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HARASSED BY CLARENCE THOMAS. 07:08.266 --> 07:11.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BONNIE: NUMBERS CERTAINLY HELPS 07:11.000 --> 07:11.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% A LOT IN TERMS OF BELIEVABILITY, 07:11.833 --> 07:12.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CORRECT? 07:12.266 --> 07:17.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MS. HILL: UNFORTUNATELY, WE 07:17.366 --> 07:21.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% STILL -- SO OFTEN, WOMEN ARE 07:21.033 --> 07:23.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% COMING UP AGAINST VERY POWERFUL 07:23.566 --> 07:25.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MEN, AND IT STILL TAKES MULTIPLE 07:25.366 --> 07:27.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WITNESSES, MULTIPLE VICTIMS TO 07:27.700 --> 07:28.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% COME FORWARD IN ORDER TO 07:28.366 --> 07:31.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CONVINCE A BODY OR EVEN THE 07:31.600 --> 07:32.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PUBLIC THAT SOMEONE HAS ENGAGED 07:32.833 --> 07:37.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IN VIOLENCE OR OTHER MISCONDUCT, 07:37.866 --> 07:42.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SO IT DOES MATTER. 07:42.500 --> 07:45.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IT ESPECIALLY DID MATTER IN 1991 07:45.666 --> 07:47.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WHEN THE TOPIC IN TERMS OF THE 07:47.000 --> 07:49.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PUBLIC CONVERSATION WAS VERY, 07:49.933 --> 07:51.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% VERY NEW, AND PEOPLE NEEDED TO 07:51.666 --> 07:54.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION, 07:54.600 --> 07:57.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INCLUDING INFORMATION FROM 07:57.266 --> 07:58.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% EXPERT WITNESSES ON THE TOPIC OF 07:58.533 --> 08:00.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SEXUAL HARASSMENT WHO WERE NOT 08:00.300 --> 08:02.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CALLED. 08:02.966 --> 08:04.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BONNIE: WHEN YOU DEAL -- WHEN 08:04.266 --> 08:06.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% YOU DID DECIDE TO COME FORWARD 08:06.466 --> 08:07.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% 30 YEARS AGO, DID YOU EVER IN 08:07.766 --> 08:10.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% YOUR MIND THINK YOU WOULD BECOME 08:10.233 --> 08:12.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE FEMINIST ICON YOU HAVE 08:12.266 --> 08:12.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BECOME? 08:12.600 --> 08:16.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MS. HILL: NO, I DIDN'’’T. 08:16.766 --> 08:17.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THERE WERE MIXED FEELINGS AT THE 08:17.500 --> 08:21.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TIME ABOUT MY TESTIMONY, IF I 08:21.700 --> 08:23.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT COME 08:23.600 --> 08:24.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% FORWARD, IF I HAD ACTUALLY 08:24.933 --> 08:25.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HELPED OR HURT THE CAUSE OF 08:25.666 --> 08:27.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% GENDER EQUITY. 08:27.700 --> 08:33.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SO I DID NOT EXPECT THAT, BUT MY 08:33.033 --> 08:35.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% EVOLUTION TO THIS POINT HAS COME 08:35.400 --> 08:37.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AFTER YEARS AND YEARS OF HEARING 08:37.033 --> 08:42.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% FROM VICTIMS AND SURVIVORS WHO 08:42.766 --> 08:43.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WANT A VOICE, WHO WANT 08:43.700 --> 08:45.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SOLUTIONS, WHO WANT WHAT HAS 08:45.000 --> 08:50.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HAPPENED TO THEM -- AGAIN, 08:50.333 --> 08:51.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WHATEVER THE BEHAVIOR -- THEY 08:51.033 --> 08:54.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WANT IT TO STOP, AND THEY DON'’’T 08:54.066 --> 08:56.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WANT IT TO HAPPEN TO OTHER 08:56.233 --> 08:57.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PEOPLE, AND UNFORTUNATELY, THEY 08:57.666 --> 09:00.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD ENOUGH FROM. 09:00.300 --> 09:01.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THEY HAVE NOT BEEN MADE PART OF 09:01.233 --> 09:06.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE SOLUTION IN WAYS THAT WILL 09:06.066 --> 09:12.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HELP AND -- HELP AND -- HELP END 09:12.033 --> 09:12.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE PROBLEM. 09:12.733 --> 09:14.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I'’’M HERE NOT TO SPEAK FOR THEM 09:14.800 --> 09:16.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BUT TO GIVE THEM SPACE TO SPEAK 09:16.266 --> 09:18.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AND TO CHALLENGE OUR LEADERSHIP 09:18.033 --> 09:20.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE 09:20.600 --> 09:21.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WILLING TO STEP UP AND MAKE 09:21.400 --> 09:21.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CHANGE. 09:21.733 --> 09:32.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BONNIE: YOU ARE A PROFESSOR, AS 09:32.266 --> 09:36.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WE TALKED ABOUT, WOMEN'’’S RIGHTS, 09:36.266 --> 09:38.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% STUDIES OF GENDER VIOLENCE. 09:38.233 --> 09:39.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HOW DO YOU PUT WHAT HAPPENED TO 09:39.933 --> 09:41.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% YOU, WHAT CLARENCE THOMAS DID TO 09:41.733 --> 09:43.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% YOU, WHICH INCLUDED TALKING 09:43.300 --> 09:46.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ABOUT PUBIC HAIR ON A COKE 09:46.800 --> 09:48.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BOTTLE, REFERENCING HIS PRIVATE 09:48.166 --> 09:51.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MAIL PARTS, AND PORNOGRAPHY, 09:51.666 --> 09:57.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WHICH THAT PART MANY PEOPLE HAVE 09:57.666 --> 10:00.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% COME OUT AND CONFIRMED -- WHAT 10:00.100 --> 10:03.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% DO YOU THINK ABOUT LUMPING THAT 10:03.466 --> 10:06.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BEHAVIOR IN WITH RAPE, SEXUAL 10:06.400 --> 10:09.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ASSAULT, WHAT, FOR EXAMPLE, 10:09.333 --> 10:14.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CHRISTINE BLASE FORD SUFFERED AT 10:14.400 --> 10:15.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE HANDS OF THEN JUDGE 10:15.400 --> 10:15.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% KAVANAUGH? 10:15.766 --> 10:21.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HOW DOES JUST SAYING THINGS TO 10:21.333 --> 10:22.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% YOU, CONFRONTING YOU, FRONTING 10:22.033 --> 10:26.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% YOU, POSSIBLY GIVING THE WOMAN 10:26.066 --> 10:27.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AT THE OTHER END OF THESE 10:27.633 --> 10:35.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CONVERSATIONS A PTSD KIND OF 10:35.666 --> 10:36.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% EXPERIENCE BUT NOT TOUCHING YOU? 10:36.700 --> 10:41.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HOW DO YOU LUMP THAT IN WITH 10:41.500 --> 10:43.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ACTUAL HANDS-ON SEXUAL VIOLENCE? 10:43.400 --> 10:45.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MS. HILL: WELL, SEXUAL 10:45.800 --> 10:48.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HARASSMENT IS DEFINED BY THE 10:48.700 --> 10:48.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% LAW. 10:48.966 --> 10:50.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IT DOES NOT NEED TO INCLUDE 10:50.966 --> 10:51.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TOUCHING. 10:51.333 --> 10:56.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT HAS BEEN 10:56.166 --> 10:57.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CLEAR FOR YEARS THAT CREATING A 10:57.900 --> 10:58.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PSYCHOLOGICALLY HOSTILE 10:58.500 --> 11:03.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ENVIRONMENT IS ENOUGH TO CREATE 11:03.666 --> 11:04.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% A CAUSE OF ACTION. 11:04.566 --> 11:06.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THAT IS ONE THING. 11:06.866 --> 11:09.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THAT WAS ONE OF I THINK THE 11:09.666 --> 11:12.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MISUNDERSTANDINGS PEOPLE HAD IN 11:12.500 --> 11:14.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% 1991, THAT THERE HAD TO BE SOME 11:14.466 --> 11:16.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% KIND OF PHYSICAL TOUCHING IN 11:16.566 --> 11:17.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ORDER FOR IT TO BE SEXUAL 11:17.733 --> 11:20.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MISCONDUCT ANY KIND. 11:20.166 --> 11:21.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SECONDLY, OF THE WORLD, 11:21.433 --> 11:22.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, AND EVEN 11:22.266 --> 11:26.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE UNITED NATIONS HAS BEEN 11:26.933 --> 11:28.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% LOOKING AT WHAT COUNTS AS GENDER 11:28.966 --> 11:31.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% VIOLENCE, AND I HAVE INCLUDED 11:31.566 --> 11:33.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% NOT ONLY PHYSICAL VIOLENCE, BUT 11:33.566 --> 11:34.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ECONOMIC VIOLENCE AND 11:34.133 --> 11:36.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PSYCHOLOGICAL AND EMOTIONAL 11:36.833 --> 11:37.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% VIOLENCE. 11:37.200 --> 11:39.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WHEN THAT HAPPENS IN THE 11:39.633 --> 11:40.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WORKPLACE, WHEN SOMEONE IS 11:40.266 --> 11:42.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CONSTANTLY DISCUSSING 11:42.433 --> 11:43.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PORNOGRAPHY OR THEIR OWN SEXUAL 11:43.766 --> 11:48.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INTERESTS AND COUPLING THAT WITH 11:48.233 --> 11:54.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PRESSING FOR DATES OR A SEXUAL 11:54.066 --> 11:56.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% OR ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP IS 11:56.166 --> 11:57.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ENOUGH TO CONSTITUTE SEXUAL 11:57.633 --> 11:58.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HARASSMENT. 11:58.033 --> 12:02.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BONNIE: WHAT WERE YOU THINKING 12:02.000 --> 12:03.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AS YOU FOLLOWED THE CHRISTINE 12:03.200 --> 12:08.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BLASEY FORD TESTIMONY IN THE 12:08.533 --> 12:09.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SENATE, ABOUT HAVING BEEN 12:09.666 --> 12:10.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ESSENTIALLY BEEN SEXUALLY 12:10.900 --> 12:16.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ASSAULTED, RAPED BY A YOUNGER, 12:16.433 --> 12:20.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% DRUNK COLLEGE STUDENT BRETT 12:20.233 --> 12:20.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% KAVANAUGH? 12:20.600 --> 12:22.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MS. HILL: I ABSOLUTELY THOUGHT 12:22.700 --> 12:23.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THAT THE DECK WAS STACKED 12:23.766 --> 12:26.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AGAINST HER FROM THE BEGINNING. 12:26.066 --> 12:26.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SHE HAD NO PLACE THAT SHE KNEW 12:26.800 --> 12:30.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% OF HOW TO REPORT THE BEHAVIOR 12:30.100 --> 12:32.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% DURING THE TIME LEADING UP TO 12:32.500 --> 12:33.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE CONFIRMATION HEARING. 12:33.133 --> 12:38.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SHE WAS BLAMED IN FACT FOR GOING 12:38.233 --> 12:39.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TO SENATOR FEINSTEIN ABOUT THAT. 12:39.633 --> 12:43.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THAT WAS USED AGAINST HER, EVEN 12:43.166 --> 12:44.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THOUGH THE SENATE HAD NO 12:44.733 --> 12:45.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PROCESS, AND I KEEP COMING BACK 12:45.466 --> 12:48.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TO THE PROCESS, AND IT IS 12:48.600 --> 12:51.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IMPORTANT, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF 12:51.633 --> 12:54.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HOW IT FAILED ME OR NOT JUST 12:54.166 --> 12:55.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BECAUSE OF HOW IT FAILED 12:55.900 --> 13:00.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CHRISTINE BLASEY FORWARD, BUT 13:00.633 --> 13:03.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BECAUSE IT IS A REFLECTION ON 13:03.000 --> 13:06.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% OUR GOVERNMENT'’’S ABILITY TO 13:06.200 --> 13:07.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ADDRESS THIS POLICY IN A FAIR 13:07.366 --> 13:07.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WAY. 13:07.633 --> 13:08.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WHEN YOU HAVE COMPLAINTS COME 13:08.633 --> 13:10.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% FORWARD, THERE IS STILL NO 13:10.200 --> 13:12.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PROCESS AS FAR AS I KNOW IN THE 13:12.233 --> 13:14.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE FOR 13:14.933 --> 13:15.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PEOPLE TO COME FORWARD. 13:15.666 --> 13:18.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% EVEN MORE SO, IT IS ALSO A 13:18.866 --> 13:20.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% REFLECTION OF SOME OF THE MANY 13:20.233 --> 13:21.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% FLAWED PROCESSES THAT 13:21.600 --> 13:22.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INDIVIDUALS THROUGHOUT THE 13:22.266 --> 13:22.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% COUNTRY HAVE TO DEAL WITH. 13:22.900 --> 13:27.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BONNIE: SO LET'’’S TALK ABOUT THAT 13:27.933 --> 13:28.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PROCESS. 13:28.266 --> 13:33.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WHAT SHOULD IT BE, AND WHAT 13:33.333 --> 13:34.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SHOULD IT BE FOR A WOMAN WHO IS 13:34.066 --> 13:36.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% NOT GOING BEFORE THE SENATE 13:36.266 --> 13:39.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% JUDICIARY COMMITTEE ON A SUPREME 13:39.666 --> 13:42.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% COURT NOMINEE, BUT, FOR EXAMPLE, 13:42.333 --> 13:50.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THEY $2.14 AN HOUR WOMAN WHO 13:50.600 --> 13:51.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WAITS TABLES IN A BAR IN 13:51.200 --> 13:53.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% LOUISIANA -- WHAT SHOULD BE THE 13:53.633 --> 13:57.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PROCESS FOR EVERYONE FROM THAT 13:57.633 --> 14:00.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WOMAN UP TO YOUR SITUATION? 14:00.566 --> 14:02.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MS. HILL: IN THE BEGINNING, 14:02.266 --> 14:03.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THERE SHOULD BE A PROCESS. 14:03.700 --> 14:09.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED THE 14:09.466 --> 14:11.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT 14:11.133 --> 14:13.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% COVERED BY ANY PROCESSES AT ALL. 14:13.533 --> 14:15.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MAYBE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT 14:15.700 --> 14:18.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% COVERED BY THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT 14:18.133 --> 14:19.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES 14:19.733 --> 14:21.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ARE LESS THAN WHAT THE ACT 14:21.666 --> 14:22.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% COVERS. 14:22.000 --> 14:26.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THEY COULD BE GIG WORKERS. 14:26.100 --> 14:28.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THEY COULD BE INDIVIDUALS WHO 14:28.766 --> 14:29.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ARE CONTRACTORS WHO ARE NOT 14:29.900 --> 14:30.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% EMPLOYEES AT ALL. 14:30.400 --> 14:33.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THERE ARE PLACES WHERE THERE ARE 14:33.133 --> 14:33.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% NO PROCESSES AT ALL, BUT IN THE 14:33.933 --> 14:36.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% EVENT THAT THERE IS A PROCESS, 14:36.866 --> 14:38.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ONE OF THE THINGS THAT NEEDS TO 14:38.233 --> 14:40.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HAPPEN IS THAT THE PROCESS HAS 14:40.200 --> 14:40.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TO BE CLEAR. 14:40.600 --> 14:44.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IT HAS TO BE MADE EVIDENT TO THE 14:44.200 --> 14:46.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE WORKING IN A 14:46.433 --> 14:47.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WORKFORCE, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE 14:47.633 --> 14:51.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SOME TRANSPARENCY AND 14:51.633 --> 14:54.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ACCESSIBILITY. 14:54.133 --> 14:57.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT I GET 14:57.333 --> 15:00.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% , AND I'’’VE DONE RESEARCH ON THIS 15:00.166 --> 15:00.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AT THE HOLLYWOOD COMMISSION, IS 15:00.900 --> 15:08.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THAT THE PROCESSES ARE SO REMOTE 15:08.266 --> 15:09.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% , AND ONE NEVER KNOWS WHEN YOU 15:09.266 --> 15:12.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ENTER THE PROCESS EXACTLY WHAT 15:12.266 --> 15:13.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT. 15:13.400 --> 15:16.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% YOU DON'’’T KNOW WHO IS GOING TO 15:16.733 --> 15:20.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INVESTIGATE YOUR CLAIM, IF THERE 15:20.233 --> 15:21.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WILL BE AN INVESTIGATION. 15:21.333 --> 15:22.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THEY DON'’’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT 15:22.666 --> 15:24.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HOW THE PROCESS IS GOING TO 15:24.600 --> 15:27.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PROCEED, AND YOU ARE LEFT WITH 15:27.666 --> 15:29.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% DOUBT BECAUSE -- AND THIS IS 15:29.300 --> 15:32.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ALSO SOMETHING I FOUND -- MOSTLY 15:32.966 --> 15:33.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PEOPLE BELIEVE IF YOU ARE 15:33.666 --> 15:38.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% COMPLAINING AGAINST A POWERFUL 15:38.700 --> 15:39.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INDIVIDUAL, THERE WILL BE NO 15:39.366 --> 15:45.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ACCOUNTABILITY, THAT THAT $2.14 15:45.166 --> 15:47.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AN HOUR RESTAURANT WORKER WILL 15:47.000 --> 15:49.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BE SEEN AS EXPENDABLE, WHEREAS 15:49.300 --> 15:51.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IF YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE 15:51.633 --> 15:54.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TOP CHEF, THAT PERSON IS NOT 15:54.400 --> 15:54.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% EXPENDABLE. 15:54.800 --> 15:56.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IT IS A COMBINATION OF CLARITY 15:56.200 --> 16:00.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AND FAIRNESS AND ACCESSIBILITY, 16:00.266 --> 16:03.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BUT IT IS ALSO A QUESTION OF 16:03.833 --> 16:07.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ACCOUNTABILITY WHEN YOU FIND 16:07.000 --> 16:08.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THERE HAS BEEN WRONGDOING. 16:08.266 --> 16:14.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BONNIE: TELL ME HOW YOU THINK 16:14.266 --> 16:15.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THAT PROCESS SHOULD WORK. 16:15.200 --> 16:20.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SHOULD THERE BE A CENTRAL 16:20.266 --> 16:20.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% LOCATION? 16:20.633 --> 16:21.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WHAT SHOULD THE PATH OF 16:21.700 --> 16:24.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ACCOUNTABILITY BE? 16:24.000 --> 16:26.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MS. HILL: THE PATH OF 16:26.033 --> 16:26.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ACCOUNTABILITY SHOULD NOT EVEN 16:26.733 --> 16:31.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% START WITH THE EEOC. 16:31.533 --> 16:33.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THAT IS WHY I SAY IT HAS TO BE 16:33.000 --> 16:33.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CLEAR. 16:33.300 --> 16:34.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IT HAS TO BE AVAILABLE. 16:34.600 --> 16:39.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THERE HAVE TO BE PEOPLE EDUCATED 16:39.100 --> 16:39.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ABOUT THE PROCESS BY THE 16:39.700 --> 16:44.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% EMPLOYER, SO THAT IS THE FIRST 16:44.366 --> 16:46.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THING, AND THERE HAS TO BE SOME 16:46.700 --> 16:48.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ASSURANCE BASED ON BEHAVIOR THAT 16:48.000 --> 16:50.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THERE WILL BE ACCOUNTABILITY IF 16:50.300 --> 16:55.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% YOU ACCESS THAT PROCESS. 16:55.300 --> 16:56.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE MAKING 16:56.200 --> 16:58.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SURE THAT THERE IS A FULL 16:58.700 --> 17:00.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INVESTIGATION THAT IS NOT 17:00.266 --> 17:01.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% LIMITING, THAT THE INVESTIGATION 17:01.366 --> 17:08.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INCLUDES CONTEXT OF THE 17:08.266 --> 17:12.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BEHAVIOR, THAT IT IS WELL 17:12.266 --> 17:15.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% STATED, MADE PUBLIC, NOT BEHIND 17:15.700 --> 17:19.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SOME SCREEN THAT PEOPLE CANNOT 17:19.933 --> 17:21.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ACCESS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE 17:21.033 --> 17:22.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% NOT SITTING IN FRONT OF A 17:22.833 --> 17:23.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% COMPUTER ALL THE TIME IN YOUR 17:23.533 --> 17:24.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% JOB BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO 17:24.700 --> 17:34.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ARE SITTING AT A DESK. 17:34.166 --> 17:39.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF WAYS. 17:39.666 --> 17:40.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TO SAY EXACTLY WHAT A PROCESS 17:40.366 --> 17:43.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SHOULD BE WILL DEPEND ON THE 17:43.400 --> 17:44.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE WORK THAT 17:44.266 --> 17:44.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PEOPLE ARE IN. 17:44.700 --> 17:50.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BONNIE: WHAT IS THE APPEAL IF 17:50.000 --> 17:52.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% YOU GO TO YOUR EMPLOYER AND YOU 17:52.266 --> 17:54.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ARE BLOWN OFF -- YOU KNOW, IT 17:54.900 --> 17:56.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% GOES THROUGH SOME SHAM PROCESS, 17:56.900 --> 18:00.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AND IT GOES NOWHERE? 18:00.233 --> 18:03.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% DO YOU GO TO THE POLICE, TO THE 18:03.433 --> 18:03.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% FBI? 18:03.733 --> 18:07.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? 18:07.566 --> 18:08.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MS. HILL: THE NEXT STEP -- YOU 18:08.933 --> 18:10.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ARE TALKING ABOUT WORKPLACE 18:10.966 --> 18:11.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HARASSMENT, IT CAN VARY. 18:11.600 --> 18:14.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IF THERE IS A SEXUAL HARASSMENT 18:14.566 --> 18:16.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% LAW, YOU CAN GO TO POLICE. 18:16.733 --> 18:19.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% YOU CAN GO TO THE POLICE FROM 18:19.100 --> 18:19.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE BEGINNING. 18:19.833 --> 18:21.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A 18:21.600 --> 18:22.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SEXUAL HARASSMENT COMPLAINT, YOU 18:22.966 --> 18:24.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CAN GO TO YOUR STATE AGENCY, 18:24.366 --> 18:27.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% YOUR HUMAN RIGHTS AGENCY, AND 18:27.666 --> 18:28.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THEY USUALLY ARE IN PARTNERSHIP 18:28.400 --> 18:32.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WITH THE EEOC OR YOU CAN GO 18:32.666 --> 18:34.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% DIRECTLY TO THE EEOC IF THAT 18:34.033 --> 18:35.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% DOES NOT EXIST. 18:35.600 --> 18:38.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ONCE AGAIN, WHAT YOU HAVE TO 18:38.966 --> 18:40.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HAVE IN THAT PROCESS IS, REALLY, 18:40.233 --> 18:41.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AN AGENCY THAT RIGOROUSLY 18:41.100 --> 18:51.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ENFORCES AND PRIORITIZES WHAT IS 18:51.633 --> 18:54.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CLAIMED AS A CIVIL RIGHTS 18:54.633 --> 18:55.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% VIOLATION. 18:55.000 --> 18:55.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BONNIE: SO THESE LOCALITIES 18:55.666 --> 18:56.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ACROSS THE COUNTRY, IF IT IS AN 18:56.900 --> 19:00.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ISSUE OF COUNTY LAW OR STATE LAW 19:00.800 --> 19:02.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% -- THAT IS STILL AN AWFUL LOT OF 19:02.700 --> 19:03.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% LAWS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE 19:03.333 --> 19:09.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PASSED TO GET THIS PROCESS 19:09.800 --> 19:11.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AVAILABLE IN EVERY LOCATION IN 19:11.166 --> 19:12.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE U.S., CORRECT? 19:12.300 --> 19:20.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> WELL, THE WAY THE EEOC WORKS 19:20.033 --> 19:21.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IN THE WAY IT WORKS FOR CERTAIN 19:21.366 --> 19:25.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% EMPLOYMENT ARRANGEMENTS, IF THE 19:25.766 --> 19:27.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES IS HIGH 19:27.300 --> 19:29.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ENOUGH, THE EEOC WOULD FUNCTION 19:29.600 --> 19:33.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AS THE AGENCY TO GO TO. 19:33.800 --> 19:38.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THERE MAY BE SUPPLEMENTAL LAWS 19:38.566 --> 19:40.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WITH STATES, BUT THE EEOC IS THE 19:40.833 --> 19:43.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% GO TO ORGANIZATION FROM THE 19:43.466 --> 19:45.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MAJORITY OF THE WORKERS WHO ARE 19:45.266 --> 19:48.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% EMPLOYEES IN THIS COUNTRY, SO IF 19:48.966 --> 19:50.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THERE ARE OTHER WORKERS, OTHER 19:50.466 --> 19:52.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TYPE OF WORKERS, CONTRACTORS, 19:52.866 --> 19:55.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% FOR EXAMPLE, OR THE GIG WORKERS, 19:55.900 --> 19:57.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THAN THERE ARE LAWS THAT MIGHT 19:57.866 --> 19:58.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% COVER THEM. 19:58.266 --> 19:59.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THERE MIGHT BE STATE LAWS. 19:59.900 --> 20:03.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THERE MIGHT BE CITIES, LOCAL 20:03.200 --> 20:08.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% LAWS THAT MIGHT COVER THEIR 20:08.233 --> 20:08.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SITUATION. 20:08.600 --> 20:14.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WHAT I'’’M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT 20:14.533 --> 20:15.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE PROBLEM IS BIG ENOUGH THAT 20:15.233 --> 20:18.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WE SHOULD NOT BE CONCERNED 20:18.566 --> 20:20.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ASKING IF THERE WILL BE TOO MANY 20:20.066 --> 20:20.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% LAWS TO COVER THAT. 20:20.600 --> 20:22.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE PROBLEM IS BIG ENOUGH THAT 20:22.400 --> 20:24.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WE SHOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT 20:24.200 --> 20:26.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE PROBLEM DOES NOT EXIST, 20:26.966 --> 20:27.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WHATEVER IT TAKES, AND THAT 20:27.700 --> 20:28.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SHOULD PROBABLY ULTIMATELY 20:28.333 --> 20:34.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INVOLVE COORDINATION BETWEEN 20:34.100 --> 20:35.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% STATE AND LOCAL ENTITIES AND THE 20:35.500 --> 20:38.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT WE ARE 20:38.400 --> 20:38.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% NOT THERE YET. 20:38.866 --> 20:41.866 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WE HAVE NOT PUT THE SYSTEM 20:41.866 --> 20:42.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TOGETHER. 20:42.233 --> 20:43.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WE ARE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT 20:43.833 --> 20:44.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INDIVIDUAL POLICIES. 20:44.366 --> 20:47.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SYSTEMS 20:47.933 --> 20:49.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THAT NEED TO BE IN PLACE TO 20:49.766 --> 20:52.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ADDRESS JUST THE PROBLEM OF 20:52.166 --> 20:53.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HARASSMENT IN THE WORKPLACE, AND 20:53.600 --> 20:56.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% YOU HAVE NOT EVEN GOTTEN INTO 20:56.166 --> 20:58.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE PROBLEM OF SEXUAL ASSAULT 20:58.300 --> 21:01.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AND THE LOW RATE OF CONVICTIONS, 21:01.166 --> 21:01.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% NOT ONLY LOW RATE OF 21:01.800 --> 21:04.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CONVICTIONS, BUT EVEN IN SEXUAL 21:04.233 --> 21:07.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ASSAULT IS -- EVEN WHEN SEXUAL 21:07.500 --> 21:09.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ASSAULT OR RAPE IS REPORTED TO 21:09.700 --> 21:12.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% POLICE, THERE IS A LOW RATE OF 21:12.033 --> 21:12.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INVESTIGATIONS. 21:12.633 --> 21:14.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THERE IS A LOW RATE OF REFERRAL, 21:14.466 --> 21:17.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% OF COMPLAINTS TO THE DISTRICT 21:17.733 --> 21:18.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ATTORNEY. 21:18.100 --> 21:21.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THEN THERE IS AN EVEN LOWER RATE 21:21.900 --> 21:22.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% OF THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY 21:22.633 --> 21:24.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ACCEPTING THE CASE AND PUTTING 21:24.233 --> 21:26.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE CASE BEFORE A JURY. 21:26.933 --> 21:28.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THERE ARE SOMETIMES JUDGES THAT 21:28.200 --> 21:30.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INTERVENE EVEN AFTER A JURY 21:30.566 --> 21:33.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% DECISION HAS BEEN RAISED, AS 21:33.366 --> 21:36.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% RECENTLY HAPPENED IN THE BILL 21:36.766 --> 21:37.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% COSBY CASE. 21:37.900 --> 21:38.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A COMPLEX 21:38.633 --> 21:42.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SYSTEM, AND IT IS NOT GOING TO 21:42.266 --> 21:42.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BE EASY. 21:42.600 --> 21:45.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE PROBLEM IS COMPLEX, BUT WE 21:45.800 --> 21:46.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HAVE TO START. 21:46.233 --> 21:49.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE 21:49.300 --> 21:51.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% URGENCY IS TO STOP THIS BEHAVIOR 21:51.100 --> 21:52.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BECAUSE IT IS NOT ONLY HARMING 21:52.200 --> 21:56.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE DIRECT 21:56.200 --> 21:56.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% VICTIMS. 21:56.533 --> 21:58.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IT IS HARMING FAMILIES. 21:58.666 --> 21:59.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IT IS HARMING COMMUNITIES. 21:59.300 --> 22:04.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IT IS HARMING, REALLY, OUR 22:04.833 --> 22:06.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ENTIRE NATION, BUT SPECIFICALLY 22:06.800 --> 22:10.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% OUR INSTITUTIONS WHERE THIS 22:10.100 --> 22:10.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BEHAVIOR IS HAPPENING. 22:10.666 --> 22:12.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BONNIE: DO YOU THINK BUT FOR 22:12.933 --> 22:15.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ANITA HILL, THE ME TO MOVEMENT 22:15.066 --> 22:15.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WOULD NOT HAVE STARTED? 22:15.666 --> 22:20.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MS. HILL: I THINK THE HEARINGS 22:20.500 --> 22:25.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IN 1991 AND MY TESTIMONY WAS ONE 22:25.100 --> 22:25.466 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CATALYST. 22:25.466 --> 22:26.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I THINK THERE WAS A MOMENTUM 22:26.300 --> 22:31.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THAT BEGAN TO BUILD IN 1991 FROM 22:31.800 --> 22:34.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% FEMINISTS, FROM ORGANIZERS WHO 22:34.766 --> 22:35.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PUT TOGETHER ADVOCACY EFFORTS, 22:35.733 --> 22:40.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% FROM STUDENTS WHO IN COLLEGES 22:40.066 --> 22:42.400 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AND UNIVERSITIES HAD BEEN HOPING 22:42.400 --> 22:43.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% FOR SAFER ENVIRONMENTS. 22:43.333 --> 22:48.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I THINK IT CAME ABOUT BECAUSE OF 22:48.600 --> 22:50.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% RESEARCHERS LIKE A WOMAN NAMED 22:50.100 --> 22:52.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% LOUISE FITZGERALD, WHO STUDIED 22:52.633 --> 22:54.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE TOPIC WELL BEFORE ANYONE WAS 22:54.533 --> 22:55.833 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE PUBLIC 22:55.833 --> 22:57.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SPHERE, AND IT BUILT. 22:57.500 --> 23:00.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IT WAS SOMETHING THAT BUILT OVER 23:00.300 --> 23:00.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THE YEARS. 23:00.666 --> 23:04.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% SOCIAL MEDIA ALLOWED IT TO ERECT 23:04.500 --> 23:06.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IN A WAY THAT I DON'’’T THINK 23:06.933 --> 23:08.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ANYONE OF US EXPECTED, BUT WE'’’VE 23:08.800 --> 23:10.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% GOT TO TAKE ALL OF THAT ENERGY 23:10.366 --> 23:13.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AND COME TOGETHER WITH SOLUTIONS 23:13.233 --> 23:15.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% . 23:15.500 --> 23:18.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WHAT THOSE SOLUTIONS ARE IS NOT 23:18.133 --> 23:18.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CLEAR. 23:18.433 --> 23:22.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS 23:22.800 --> 23:26.433 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% TO HAPPEN IS THAT SURVIVORS AND 23:26.433 --> 23:29.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% VICTIMS HAVE TO BE PART OF 23:29.200 --> 23:31.100 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MAKING THEM, AND OUR LEADERSHIP 23:31.100 --> 23:32.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HAS TO FOLLOW. 23:32.200 --> 23:35.766 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BONNIE: LASTLY, DO YOU THINK THE 23:35.766 --> 23:39.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% #METOO MOVEMENT, AS LARGE AS IT 23:39.000 --> 23:40.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WAS, AS MUCH PUBLICITY AS IT HAS 23:40.233 --> 23:42.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% GOTTEN -- DO YOU THINK IT HAS 23:42.166 --> 23:45.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HAD LASTING EFFECT, EVEN JUST IN 23:45.600 --> 23:46.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% HOLLYWOOD? 23:46.300 --> 23:47.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I HAVE BEEN TOLD THE CASTING 23:47.300 --> 23:50.333 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% COUCH MENTALITY HAS NOT GONE 23:50.333 --> 23:50.633 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AWAY. 23:50.633 --> 23:54.700 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% MS. HILL: OH, THAT HAS NOT GONE 23:54.700 --> 23:55.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AWAY COMPLETELY. 23:55.166 --> 23:57.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THAT IS A CULTURAL ASPECT WE ARE 23:57.366 --> 23:59.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WORKING TO ATTEMPT TO REVERSE, 23:59.233 --> 24:03.500 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AND THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE COMING 24:03.500 --> 24:04.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INTO THE HOLLYWOOD COMMUNITY WHO 24:04.233 --> 24:06.300 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ARE RESISTING THAT, BUT HISTORY 24:06.300 --> 24:10.166 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IS HARD TO UNDO, AND THAT PART 24:10.166 --> 24:10.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% OF THE CULTURE IS NOT GOING TO 24:10.933 --> 24:16.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% GO AWAY OVERNIGHT OR IN THE SPAN 24:16.266 --> 24:20.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% OF THREE OR FOUR YEARS, BUT THAT 24:20.233 --> 24:23.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% IS NOT TO EXCUSE ANY OF US FROM 24:23.966 --> 24:25.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ACTING NOW AND DOING WHATEVER WE 24:25.133 --> 24:27.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CAN IN OUR POWER TO MAKE SURE 24:27.233 --> 24:33.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THAT IT DOES BECOME HISTORY, A 24:33.000 --> 24:34.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% DEAD HISTORY, NOT AN ONGOING 24:34.600 --> 24:34.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% LEGACY. 24:34.933 --> 24:39.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BONNIE: PROFESSOR ANITA HILL, 24:39.733 --> 24:40.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING ON 24:40.933 --> 24:42.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% AND TALKING TO US ABOUT YOUR NEW 24:42.900 --> 24:44.033 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BOOK, "BELIEVING." 24:44.033 --> 24:48.366 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% BEST OF LUCK TO YOU WITH THAT. 24:48.366 --> 24:52.200 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% THAT IS IT FOR "TO THE 24:52.200 --> 24:52.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CONTRARY." 24:52.566 --> 24:53.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% PLEASE, LET'’’S CONTINUE THE 24:53.266 --> 24:55.933 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% CONVERSATION ON FACEBOOK, 24:55.933 --> 25:00.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, AND OUR 25:00.233 --> 25:00.800 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% WEBSITE, WWW. 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