1 00:00:08,700 --> 00:00:09,300 >> THIS WEEK ON "TO THE 2 00:00:09,333 --> 00:00:10,666 >> THIS WEEK ON "TO THE CONTRARY" 3 00:00:10,700 --> 00:00:11,433 >> THIS WEEK ON "TO THE CONTRARY" FIRST, GAYS, WOMEN AND THE NEW 4 00:00:11,466 --> 00:00:12,000 CONTRARY" FIRST, GAYS, WOMEN AND THE NEW CATHOLIC CHURCH. 5 00:00:12,033 --> 00:00:13,333 FIRST, GAYS, WOMEN AND THE NEW CATHOLIC CHURCH. THEN, WOMEN'S ISSUES HIGH ON THE 6 00:00:13,366 --> 00:00:15,133 CATHOLIC CHURCH. THEN, WOMEN'S ISSUES HIGH ON THE U.N. AGENDA, BEHIND THE 7 00:00:15,166 --> 00:00:17,800 THEN, WOMEN'S ISSUES HIGH ON THE U.N. AGENDA, BEHIND THE HEADLINES; WADJDA, WE INTRODUCE 8 00:00:17,833 --> 00:00:19,400 U.N. AGENDA, BEHIND THE HEADLINES; WADJDA, WE INTRODUCE YOU TO THE FEMALE DIRECTOR OF 9 00:00:19,433 --> 00:00:21,033 HEADLINES; WADJDA, WE INTRODUCE YOU TO THE FEMALE DIRECTOR OF THE FIRST THEATRICAL RELEASE 10 00:00:21,066 --> 00:00:28,233 YOU TO THE FEMALE DIRECTOR OF THE FIRST THEATRICAL RELEASE FILM EVER SHOT IN SAUDI ARABIA. 11 00:00:43,633 --> 00:00:44,666 >> HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE. 12 00:00:44,700 --> 00:00:45,833 >> HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE. WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY," A 13 00:00:45,866 --> 00:00:47,033 >> HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE. WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY," A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL 14 00:00:47,066 --> 00:00:48,400 WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY," A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE 15 00:00:48,433 --> 00:00:50,933 DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES. 16 00:00:50,966 --> 00:00:54,500 TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES. UP FIRST, PAPAL REVELATIONS. 17 00:00:54,533 --> 00:00:56,166 PERSPECTIVES. UP FIRST, PAPAL REVELATIONS. A WATERSHED MOMENT ON THE 18 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:56,833 UP FIRST, PAPAL REVELATIONS. A WATERSHED MOMENT ON THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND SOCIAL 19 00:00:56,866 --> 00:00:59,766 A WATERSHED MOMENT ON THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND SOCIAL ISSUES? 20 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:01,766 CATHOLIC CHURCH AND SOCIAL ISSUES? THIS WEEK POPE FRANCIS WARNED IN 21 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,500 ISSUES? THIS WEEK POPE FRANCIS WARNED IN AN EXPANSIVE INTERVIEW THAT THE 22 00:01:03,533 --> 00:01:05,833 THIS WEEK POPE FRANCIS WARNED IN AN EXPANSIVE INTERVIEW THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WILL LOSE ITS 23 00:01:05,866 --> 00:01:07,433 AN EXPANSIVE INTERVIEW THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WILL LOSE ITS MORAL AUTHORITY OR AS HE PUT IT, 24 00:01:07,466 --> 00:01:09,833 CATHOLIC CHURCH WILL LOSE ITS MORAL AUTHORITY OR AS HE PUT IT, THE CHURCH'S MORAL STRUCTURE 25 00:01:09,866 --> 00:01:11,300 MORAL AUTHORITY OR AS HE PUT IT, THE CHURCH'S MORAL STRUCTURE MIGHT "FALL LIKE A HOUSE OF 26 00:01:11,333 --> 00:01:14,233 THE CHURCH'S MORAL STRUCTURE MIGHT "FALL LIKE A HOUSE OF CARDS" IF IT KEEPS FOCUSING ON 27 00:01:14,266 --> 00:01:17,700 MIGHT "FALL LIKE A HOUSE OF CARDS" IF IT KEEPS FOCUSING ON ABORTION, GAY RIGHTS AND 28 00:01:17,733 --> 00:01:18,400 CARDS" IF IT KEEPS FOCUSING ON ABORTION, GAY RIGHTS AND CONTRACEPTION. 29 00:01:18,433 --> 00:01:19,200 ABORTION, GAY RIGHTS AND CONTRACEPTION. IN AN INTERVIEW WITH AN ITALIAN 30 00:01:19,233 --> 00:01:20,533 CONTRACEPTION. IN AN INTERVIEW WITH AN ITALIAN JESUIT MAGAZINE POPE FRANCIS 31 00:01:20,566 --> 00:01:23,166 IN AN INTERVIEW WITH AN ITALIAN JESUIT MAGAZINE POPE FRANCIS SAID THE CHURCH MUST BALANCE ITS 32 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:24,700 JESUIT MAGAZINE POPE FRANCIS SAID THE CHURCH MUST BALANCE ITS DIVISIVE RULES ON THOSE ISSUES 33 00:01:24,733 --> 00:01:26,933 SAID THE CHURCH MUST BALANCE ITS DIVISIVE RULES ON THOSE ISSUES WITH THE GREATER NEED TO MAKE IT 34 00:01:26,966 --> 00:01:28,500 DIVISIVE RULES ON THOSE ISSUES WITH THE GREATER NEED TO MAKE IT A MERCIFUL, MORE WELCOMING PLACE 35 00:01:28,533 --> 00:01:30,700 WITH THE GREATER NEED TO MAKE IT A MERCIFUL, MORE WELCOMING PLACE FOR ALL. 36 00:01:30,733 --> 00:01:32,733 A MERCIFUL, MORE WELCOMING PLACE FOR ALL. IN THE INTERVIEW HE LAID OUT HIS 37 00:01:32,766 --> 00:01:34,766 FOR ALL. IN THE INTERVIEW HE LAID OUT HIS VISION FOR THE CHURCH ON THESE 38 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,000 IN THE INTERVIEW HE LAID OUT HIS VISION FOR THE CHURCH ON THESE AND OTHER ISSUES THAT CONTRAST 39 00:01:36,033 --> 00:01:39,633 VISION FOR THE CHURCH ON THESE AND OTHER ISSUES THAT CONTRAST SHARPLY WITH MANY OF THE 40 00:01:39,666 --> 00:01:41,000 AND OTHER ISSUES THAT CONTRAST SHARPLY WITH MANY OF THE PRIORITIES OF HIS IMMEDIATE 41 00:01:41,033 --> 00:01:42,166 SHARPLY WITH MANY OF THE PRIORITIES OF HIS IMMEDIATE PREDECESSORS, JOHN PAUL II AND 42 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,300 PRIORITIES OF HIS IMMEDIATE PREDECESSORS, JOHN PAUL II AND BENEDICT XVI. 43 00:01:46,333 --> 00:01:48,833 PREDECESSORS, JOHN PAUL II AND BENEDICT XVI. INSTEAD OF BEING DIVISIVE, HE 44 00:01:48,866 --> 00:01:51,166 BENEDICT XVI. INSTEAD OF BEING DIVISIVE, HE SAID, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH MUST 45 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:52,300 INSTEAD OF BEING DIVISIVE, HE SAID, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH MUST BE LIKE A "FIELD HOSPITAL AFTER 46 00:01:52,333 --> 00:01:55,300 SAID, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH MUST BE LIKE A "FIELD HOSPITAL AFTER BATTLE," HEALING THE WOUNDS OF 47 00:01:55,333 --> 00:01:56,766 BE LIKE A "FIELD HOSPITAL AFTER BATTLE," HEALING THE WOUNDS OF ITS FAITHFUL AND GOING OUT TO 48 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,433 BATTLE," HEALING THE WOUNDS OF ITS FAITHFUL AND GOING OUT TO FIND THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN HURT, 49 00:01:58,466 --> 00:02:04,333 ITS FAITHFUL AND GOING OUT TO FIND THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN HURT, EXCLUDED OR HAVE FALLEN AWAY. 50 00:02:04,366 --> 00:02:06,100 FIND THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN HURT, EXCLUDED OR HAVE FALLEN AWAY. WHAT WILL THE POPE'S WORDS HAVE 51 00:02:06,133 --> 00:02:07,900 EXCLUDED OR HAVE FALLEN AWAY. WHAT WILL THE POPE'S WORDS HAVE ON SOCIAL ISSUE DIVIDE THAT WE 52 00:02:07,933 --> 00:02:09,933 WHAT WILL THE POPE'S WORDS HAVE ON SOCIAL ISSUE DIVIDE THAT WE HAVE HERE AT HOME? 53 00:02:09,966 --> 00:02:11,500 ON SOCIAL ISSUE DIVIDE THAT WE HAVE HERE AT HOME? >> POPE FRANCIS HAS TAKEN AN 54 00:02:11,533 --> 00:02:13,333 HAVE HERE AT HOME? >> POPE FRANCIS HAS TAKEN AN IMPORTANT FIRST STEP TOWARD 55 00:02:13,366 --> 00:02:15,066 >> POPE FRANCIS HAS TAKEN AN IMPORTANT FIRST STEP TOWARD REDUCING HARMS INFLICTED ON 56 00:02:15,100 --> 00:02:18,166 IMPORTANT FIRST STEP TOWARD REDUCING HARMS INFLICTED ON WOMEN AND LGBT AROUND THE WORLD 57 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,500 REDUCING HARMS INFLICTED ON WOMEN AND LGBT AROUND THE WORLD WITH THESE COMMENTS BUT WE NEED 58 00:02:19,533 --> 00:02:20,600 WOMEN AND LGBT AROUND THE WORLD WITH THESE COMMENTS BUT WE NEED TO SEE SOME ACTION. 59 00:02:20,633 --> 00:02:21,533 WITH THESE COMMENTS BUT WE NEED TO SEE SOME ACTION. >> IF ANYONE THINKS THAT THE 60 00:02:21,566 --> 00:02:22,966 TO SEE SOME ACTION. >> IF ANYONE THINKS THAT THE FIRST THING ON THE OPEN'S MIND 61 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,933 >> IF ANYONE THINKS THAT THE FIRST THING ON THE OPEN'S MIND IS WHAT'S GOING ON IN AMERICAN 62 00:02:24,966 --> 00:02:26,433 FIRST THING ON THE OPEN'S MIND IS WHAT'S GOING ON IN AMERICAN POLITICS WHEN HE MAKES ROLL SEE, 63 00:02:26,466 --> 00:02:28,866 IS WHAT'S GOING ON IN AMERICAN POLITICS WHEN HE MAKES ROLL SEE, THEY HAVE BEEN LIVING INSIDE 64 00:02:28,900 --> 00:02:32,233 POLITICS WHEN HE MAKES ROLL SEE, THEY HAVE BEEN LIVING INSIDE THAT BELTWAY WAY TOO LONG. 65 00:02:32,266 --> 00:02:35,233 THEY HAVE BEEN LIVING INSIDE THAT BELTWAY WAY TOO LONG. >> I THINK THIS POPE MAY YET 66 00:02:35,266 --> 00:02:39,133 THAT BELTWAY WAY TOO LONG. >> I THINK THIS POPE MAY YET RELAX AS A RIGHT WING LEGIT TEE 67 00:02:39,166 --> 00:02:41,566 >> I THINK THIS POPE MAY YET RELAX AS A RIGHT WING LEGIT TEE THAT DEFIES US HERE MORTALS. 68 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,566 RELAX AS A RIGHT WING LEGIT TEE THAT DEFIES US HERE MORTALS. >> THERE IS SOME 69 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,366 THAT DEFIES US HERE MORTALS. >> THERE IS SOME MISINTERPRETATION OF THE OPEN'S 70 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,200 >> THERE IS SOME MISINTERPRETATION OF THE OPEN'S WORDS, MAYBE TAKING THEM OUT OF 71 00:02:47,233 --> 00:02:47,566 MISINTERPRETATION OF THE OPEN'S WORDS, MAYBE TAKING THEM OUT OF CONTEXT. 72 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,400 WORDS, MAYBE TAKING THEM OUT OF CONTEXT. IN THE 12,000 WORD INTERVIEW THE 73 00:02:49,433 --> 00:02:51,900 CONTEXT. IN THE 12,000 WORD INTERVIEW THE MENTION OF HOMOSEXUALITY WAS 74 00:02:51,933 --> 00:02:53,600 IN THE 12,000 WORD INTERVIEW THE MENTION OF HOMOSEXUALITY WAS FAIRLY SMALL AND HE REALLY 75 00:02:53,633 --> 00:02:55,633 MENTION OF HOMOSEXUALITY WAS FAIRLY SMALL AND HE REALLY SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE THE ISSUE 76 00:02:55,666 --> 00:02:56,900 FAIRLY SMALL AND HE REALLY SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE THE ISSUE IN CONTEXT. 77 00:02:56,933 --> 00:02:59,100 SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE THE ISSUE IN CONTEXT. IN THE GREATEST CONTEXT OF THE 78 00:02:59,133 --> 00:03:02,166 IN CONTEXT. IN THE GREATEST CONTEXT OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST KNOWING 79 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,600 IN THE GREATEST CONTEXT OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST KNOWING THERE ARE HOLE PROHIBITIONS. 80 00:03:05,633 --> 00:03:08,500 GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST KNOWING THERE ARE HOLE PROHIBITIONS. >> BUT HE SAID THAT THE CATHOLIC 81 00:03:08,533 --> 00:03:10,000 THERE ARE HOLE PROHIBITIONS. >> BUT HE SAID THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS OBSESSED WITH THESE 82 00:03:10,033 --> 00:03:11,700 >> BUT HE SAID THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS OBSESSED WITH THESE ISSUES THAT'S THOUGHT A SOFT 83 00:03:11,733 --> 00:03:12,000 CHURCH IS OBSESSED WITH THESE ISSUES THAT'S THOUGHT A SOFT WORD. 84 00:03:12,033 --> 00:03:14,733 ISSUES THAT'S THOUGHT A SOFT WORD. HE APPROVED THE 12,000 WORD 85 00:03:14,766 --> 00:03:17,266 WORD. HE APPROVED THE 12,000 WORD MANUSCRIPT AFTER THE INTERVIEW 86 00:03:17,300 --> 00:03:18,800 HE APPROVED THE 12,000 WORD MANUSCRIPT AFTER THE INTERVIEW WAS WRITTEN DOWN AND AN ARTICLE 87 00:03:18,833 --> 00:03:22,033 MANUSCRIPT AFTER THE INTERVIEW WAS WRITTEN DOWN AND AN ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN ABOUT IT. 88 00:03:22,066 --> 00:03:23,866 WAS WRITTEN DOWN AND AN ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN ABOUT IT. I TRULY DON'T SEE WHERE YOU'RE 89 00:03:23,900 --> 00:03:24,633 WAS WRITTEN ABOUT IT. I TRULY DON'T SEE WHERE YOU'RE SAYING THESE WORDS ARE BEING 90 00:03:24,666 --> 00:03:25,933 I TRULY DON'T SEE WHERE YOU'RE SAYING THESE WORDS ARE BEING TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. 91 00:03:25,966 --> 00:03:27,866 SAYING THESE WORDS ARE BEING TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. >> I THINK THE REAL OBSESSION IS 92 00:03:27,900 --> 00:03:29,333 TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. >> I THINK THE REAL OBSESSION IS IN THE AMERICAN MEDIA WHEN WE 93 00:03:29,366 --> 00:03:32,166 >> I THINK THE REAL OBSESSION IS IN THE AMERICAN MEDIA WHEN WE LOOK AT A 12,000 WORD ESSAY THEN 94 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,033 IN THE AMERICAN MEDIA WHEN WE LOOK AT A 12,000 WORD ESSAY THEN WE HONE IN ON THIS SPECIFIC 95 00:03:34,066 --> 00:03:36,233 LOOK AT A 12,000 WORD ESSAY THEN WE HONE IN ON THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE WHAT IS THE REST OF THE 96 00:03:36,266 --> 00:03:37,266 WE HONE IN ON THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE WHAT IS THE REST OF THE INTERVIEW SAY. 97 00:03:37,300 --> 00:03:38,800 ISSUE WHAT IS THE REST OF THE INTERVIEW SAY. >> MY GOODNESS, I THINK YOU 98 00:03:38,833 --> 00:03:40,833 INTERVIEW SAY. >> MY GOODNESS, I THINK YOU REALLY HISSED THE POINT. 99 00:03:40,866 --> 00:03:44,366 >> MY GOODNESS, I THINK YOU REALLY HISSED THE POINT. WHEN A POPE SPEAKS, PARTICULARLY 100 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,866 REALLY HISSED THE POINT. WHEN A POPE SPEAKS, PARTICULARLY GOES ON THE RECORD ABOUT AN 101 00:03:48,900 --> 00:03:55,600 WHEN A POPE SPEAKS, PARTICULARLY GOES ON THE RECORD ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT HAS HAD RIGID 102 00:03:55,633 --> 00:03:58,500 GOES ON THE RECORD ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT HAS HAD RIGID DOCTRINE FOR AS LONG AS ANY OF 103 00:03:58,533 --> 00:04:00,433 ISSUE THAT HAS HAD RIGID DOCTRINE FOR AS LONG AS ANY OF US CAN THINK, YOU CAN BET YOUR 104 00:04:00,466 --> 00:04:02,600 DOCTRINE FOR AS LONG AS ANY OF US CAN THINK, YOU CAN BET YOUR BOTTOM DOLLAR AND YOU ARE AT 105 00:04:02,633 --> 00:04:03,666 US CAN THINK, YOU CAN BET YOUR BOTTOM DOLLAR AND YOU ARE AT LEAST GIVE THIS POPE THAT 106 00:04:03,700 --> 00:04:06,966 BOTTOM DOLLAR AND YOU ARE AT LEAST GIVE THIS POPE THAT CREDIT. 107 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,500 LEAST GIVE THIS POPE THAT CREDIT. >> VERY CAREFULLY AND HE WAS 108 00:04:08,533 --> 00:04:10,566 CREDIT. >> VERY CAREFULLY AND HE WAS SENDING A REAL MESSAGE ALL OVER 109 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,266 >> VERY CAREFULLY AND HE WAS SENDING A REAL MESSAGE ALL OVER THE WORLD AND ALL I CAN SAY IS, 110 00:04:13,300 --> 00:04:14,433 SENDING A REAL MESSAGE ALL OVER THE WORLD AND ALL I CAN SAY IS, MESSAGE RECEIVED. 111 00:04:14,466 --> 00:04:18,033 THE WORLD AND ALL I CAN SAY IS, MESSAGE RECEIVED. >> BUT LET'S JUST GO WITH HE 112 00:04:18,066 --> 00:04:19,533 MESSAGE RECEIVED. >> BUT LET'S JUST GO WITH HE MEANT IT BECAUSE APPARENTLY THE 113 00:04:19,566 --> 00:04:21,533 >> BUT LET'S JUST GO WITH HE MEANT IT BECAUSE APPARENTLY THE WORD IS RESPONDING THAT WAY. 114 00:04:21,566 --> 00:04:24,433 MEANT IT BECAUSE APPARENTLY THE WORD IS RESPONDING THAT WAY. AND YOU WERE RAISED CATHOLIC. 115 00:04:24,466 --> 00:04:26,333 WORD IS RESPONDING THAT WAY. AND YOU WERE RAISED CATHOLIC. WHAT WILL DO IT TO THE LIT CALL 116 00:04:26,366 --> 00:04:28,566 AND YOU WERE RAISED CATHOLIC. WHAT WILL DO IT TO THE LIT CALL DIVIDE HERE OVER THESE SOCIAL 117 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:29,566 WHAT WILL DO IT TO THE LIT CALL DIVIDE HERE OVER THESE SOCIAL ISSUES, THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE 118 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,133 DIVIDE HERE OVER THESE SOCIAL ISSUES, THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE EVEN ON THE RIGHT ARE SAYING, 119 00:04:32,166 --> 00:04:33,733 ISSUES, THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE EVEN ON THE RIGHT ARE SAYING, REPUBLICANS NEED TO GET OFF THIS 120 00:04:33,766 --> 00:04:35,700 EVEN ON THE RIGHT ARE SAYING, REPUBLICANS NEED TO GET OFF THIS STUFF AND HOOF ON TO -- WHERE 121 00:04:35,733 --> 00:04:36,933 REPUBLICANS NEED TO GET OFF THIS STUFF AND HOOF ON TO -- WHERE THEY'RE REALLY STRONG WHICH IS 122 00:04:36,966 --> 00:04:38,600 STUFF AND HOOF ON TO -- WHERE THEY'RE REALLY STRONG WHICH IS FINANCIAL ISSUES. 123 00:04:38,633 --> 00:04:39,466 THEY'RE REALLY STRONG WHICH IS FINANCIAL ISSUES. >> AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THIS WAS 124 00:04:39,500 --> 00:04:40,933 FINANCIAL ISSUES. >> AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THIS WAS NECESSARILY A COMMENTARY ABOUT 125 00:04:40,966 --> 00:04:43,466 >> AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THIS WAS NECESSARILY A COMMENTARY ABOUT WHAT REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS -- 126 00:04:43,500 --> 00:04:44,200 NECESSARILY A COMMENTARY ABOUT WHAT REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS -- >> NO, NO. 127 00:04:44,233 --> 00:04:46,266 WHAT REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS -- >> NO, NO. WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT. 128 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:48,300 >> NO, NO. WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT. I'M JUST ASKING, I WANT TO 129 00:04:48,333 --> 00:04:49,833 WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT. I'M JUST ASKING, I WANT TO BRING -- THIS HAPPENED IN ITALY, 130 00:04:49,866 --> 00:04:52,433 I'M JUST ASKING, I WANT TO BRING -- THIS HAPPENED IN ITALY, I WANT TO BRING ITS IMPACT HOME 131 00:04:52,466 --> 00:04:53,900 BRING -- THIS HAPPENED IN ITALY, I WANT TO BRING ITS IMPACT HOME TO CATHOLICS HERE IN THE UNITED 132 00:04:53,933 --> 00:04:55,500 I WANT TO BRING ITS IMPACT HOME TO CATHOLICS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES AND TO SOCIAL ISSUES HERE 133 00:04:55,533 --> 00:04:57,133 TO CATHOLICS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES AND TO SOCIAL ISSUES HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. 134 00:04:57,166 --> 00:04:57,533 STATES AND TO SOCIAL ISSUES HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. >> SURE. 135 00:04:57,566 --> 00:04:58,666 IN THE UNITED STATES. >> SURE. I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT 136 00:04:58,700 --> 00:04:59,400 >> SURE. I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT CONTROVERSIAL THAT HE SAID TO 137 00:04:59,433 --> 00:05:01,033 I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT CONTROVERSIAL THAT HE SAID TO LOOK AT THE REST OF THE BIBLE 138 00:05:01,066 --> 00:05:03,466 CONTROVERSIAL THAT HE SAID TO LOOK AT THE REST OF THE BIBLE AND ALL THE OTHER ISSUES AND THE 139 00:05:03,500 --> 00:05:05,166 LOOK AT THE REST OF THE BIBLE AND ALL THE OTHER ISSUES AND THE TEN COMMANDMENTS THAT GOD GAVE. 140 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,433 AND ALL THE OTHER ISSUES AND THE TEN COMMANDMENTS THAT GOD GAVE. THOSE THINGS THOUGHT IN THE TEN 141 00:05:07,466 --> 00:05:08,000 TEN COMMANDMENTS THAT GOD GAVE. THOSE THINGS THOUGHT IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, WHY SO 142 00:05:08,033 --> 00:05:08,700 THOSE THINGS THOUGHT IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, WHY SO CONTROVERSIAL TO SAY THAT WE 143 00:05:08,733 --> 00:05:11,200 COMMANDMENTS, WHY SO CONTROVERSIAL TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT LIES AND 144 00:05:11,233 --> 00:05:12,900 CONTROVERSIAL TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT LIES AND CHEATING AND STEALING AND COVET 145 00:05:12,933 --> 00:05:14,700 NEED TO LOOK AT LIES AND CHEATING AND STEALING AND COVET AND THE REST OF THE COMMANDMENTS 146 00:05:14,733 --> 00:05:16,166 CHEATING AND STEALING AND COVET AND THE REST OF THE COMMANDMENTS WE WERE CONSIDERING THE THINGS 147 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,300 AND THE REST OF THE COMMANDMENTS WE WERE CONSIDERING THE THINGS WE SHOULD BE DOING TO LIVE GOOD 148 00:05:18,333 --> 00:05:18,833 WE WERE CONSIDERING THE THINGS WE SHOULD BE DOING TO LIVE GOOD CHRISTIAN LIFE. 149 00:05:18,866 --> 00:05:20,933 WE SHOULD BE DOING TO LIVE GOOD CHRISTIAN LIFE. >> IN THE CONTEXT OF THE ROMAN 150 00:05:20,966 --> 00:05:22,533 CHRISTIAN LIFE. >> IN THE CONTEXT OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC HIERARCHY WHICH IS ALL 151 00:05:22,566 --> 00:05:24,133 >> IN THE CONTEXT OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC HIERARCHY WHICH IS ALL MALE IT ABSOLUTELY IS 152 00:05:24,166 --> 00:05:24,600 CATHOLIC HIERARCHY WHICH IS ALL MALE IT ABSOLUTELY IS CONTROVERSIAL. 153 00:05:24,633 --> 00:05:26,100 MALE IT ABSOLUTELY IS CONTROVERSIAL. HE HAD A BISHOP SPEAKING OUT 154 00:05:26,133 --> 00:05:28,433 CONTROVERSIAL. HE HAD A BISHOP SPEAKING OUT JUST IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS 155 00:05:28,466 --> 00:05:30,533 HE HAD A BISHOP SPEAKING OUT JUST IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS SAYING, WHY ISN'T HE FOCUSING 156 00:05:30,566 --> 00:05:31,300 JUST IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS SAYING, WHY ISN'T HE FOCUSING MORE ON ABORTION. 157 00:05:31,333 --> 00:05:34,200 SAYING, WHY ISN'T HE FOCUSING MORE ON ABORTION. THAT IS INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF 158 00:05:34,233 --> 00:05:36,100 MORE ON ABORTION. THAT IS INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF INSUBORDINATION WITHIN THE 159 00:05:36,133 --> 00:05:37,300 THAT IS INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF INSUBORDINATION WITHIN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THAT IS THE POPE 160 00:05:37,333 --> 00:05:38,766 INSUBORDINATION WITHIN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THAT IS THE POPE IS BEING CHALLENGED ALSO 161 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:39,466 CATHOLIC CHURCH THAT IS THE POPE IS BEING CHALLENGED ALSO SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. 162 00:05:39,500 --> 00:05:42,133 IS BEING CHALLENGED ALSO SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. WE NEED TO LOOK AT MOVING THIS 163 00:05:42,166 --> 00:05:43,933 SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. WE NEED TO LOOK AT MOVING THIS IN TO DEEDS AND NOT WORDS, WHAT 164 00:05:43,966 --> 00:05:45,466 WE NEED TO LOOK AT MOVING THIS IN TO DEEDS AND NOT WORDS, WHAT ARE CONCRETE THINGS THAT THE 165 00:05:45,500 --> 00:05:47,100 IN TO DEEDS AND NOT WORDS, WHAT ARE CONCRETE THINGS THAT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC HIERARCHY COULD 166 00:05:47,133 --> 00:05:49,733 ARE CONCRETE THINGS THAT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC HIERARCHY COULD DO TO FOLLOW THE PATH SET 167 00:05:49,766 --> 00:05:50,366 ROMAN CATHOLIC HIERARCHY COULD DO TO FOLLOW THE PATH SET FORWARD. 168 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:51,500 DO TO FOLLOW THE PATH SET FORWARD. >> WILL THE HIERARCHY WHO ARE 169 00:05:51,533 --> 00:05:55,433 FORWARD. >> WILL THE HIERARCHY WHO ARE THE CHILDREN, IF YOU WILL, OF 170 00:05:55,466 --> 00:05:57,800 >> WILL THE HIERARCHY WHO ARE THE CHILDREN, IF YOU WILL, OF BENEDICT AND POPE JOHN PAUL II 171 00:05:57,833 --> 00:05:59,400 THE CHILDREN, IF YOU WILL, OF BENEDICT AND POPE JOHN PAUL II WHO WERE VERY CONSERVATIVE ON 172 00:05:59,433 --> 00:06:02,833 BENEDICT AND POPE JOHN PAUL II WHO WERE VERY CONSERVATIVE ON THESE ISSUES, WILL THEY CHANGE, 173 00:06:02,866 --> 00:06:03,600 WHO WERE VERY CONSERVATIVE ON THESE ISSUES, WILL THEY CHANGE, BECAUSE I HAVE FRIEND WHO LEFT 174 00:06:03,633 --> 00:06:04,700 THESE ISSUES, WILL THEY CHANGE, BECAUSE I HAVE FRIEND WHO LEFT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH JUST A 175 00:06:04,733 --> 00:06:07,100 BECAUSE I HAVE FRIEND WHO LEFT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO BECAUSE A 176 00:06:07,133 --> 00:06:08,966 THE CATHOLIC CHURCH JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO BECAUSE A YOUNG POST WHO HAD JUST COME TO 177 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,200 COUPLE OF YEARS AGO BECAUSE A YOUNG POST WHO HAD JUST COME TO TAKE OVER HER VERY IN FLEW 178 00:06:13,233 --> 00:06:14,466 YOUNG POST WHO HAD JUST COME TO TAKE OVER HER VERY IN FLEW ENARISH IN VIRGINIA CAME IN WENT 179 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:15,900 TAKE OVER HER VERY IN FLEW ENARISH IN VIRGINIA CAME IN WENT AROUND THE ROOM SAID WHO UP HERE 180 00:06:15,933 --> 00:06:18,033 ENARISH IN VIRGINIA CAME IN WENT AROUND THE ROOM SAID WHO UP HERE IS USING BIRTH CONTROL RAISE 181 00:06:18,066 --> 00:06:19,366 AROUND THE ROOM SAID WHO UP HERE IS USING BIRTH CONTROL RAISE YOUR HANDS, YOU KNOW WHO YOU 182 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:20,100 IS USING BIRTH CONTROL RAISE YOUR HANDS, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE. 183 00:06:20,133 --> 00:06:22,300 YOUR HANDS, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE. SHE AND HER HUSBAND WHO WERE 184 00:06:22,333 --> 00:06:25,433 ARE. SHE AND HER HUSBAND WHO WERE ALREADY HAVE THEIR TWO KIDS 185 00:06:25,466 --> 00:06:26,900 SHE AND HER HUSBAND WHO WERE ALREADY HAVE THEIR TWO KIDS WEREN'T -- JUST WASN'T RELEVANT. 186 00:06:26,933 --> 00:06:28,466 ALREADY HAVE THEIR TWO KIDS WEREN'T -- JUST WASN'T RELEVANT. THEY SAID WE GOT TO GET OUT OF 187 00:06:28,500 --> 00:06:28,766 WEREN'T -- JUST WASN'T RELEVANT. THEY SAID WE GOT TO GET OUT OF HERE. 188 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,000 THEY SAID WE GOT TO GET OUT OF HERE. >> AND 98% OF CATHOLICS USE 189 00:06:31,033 --> 00:06:31,966 HERE. >> AND 98% OF CATHOLICS USE CONTRACEPTION AT SOME POINT IN 190 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,166 >> AND 98% OF CATHOLICS USE CONTRACEPTION AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIVES WHICH IS 99% OF 191 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:35,366 CONTRACEPTION AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIVES WHICH IS 99% OF EVERYONE ELSE. 192 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,400 THEIR LIVES WHICH IS 99% OF EVERYONE ELSE. SO IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO NORMAL 193 00:06:37,433 --> 00:06:37,766 EVERYONE ELSE. SO IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO NORMAL PATTERNS. 194 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,033 SO IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO NORMAL PATTERNS. BUT THE FACT IS THAT A NUMBER OF 195 00:06:41,066 --> 00:06:42,800 PATTERNS. BUT THE FACT IS THAT A NUMBER OF CATHOLICS HAVE BELIEVE, ONE IN 196 00:06:42,833 --> 00:06:44,966 BUT THE FACT IS THAT A NUMBER OF CATHOLICS HAVE BELIEVE, ONE IN TEN PEOPLE IDENTIFIED AS 197 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:45,400 CATHOLICS HAVE BELIEVE, ONE IN TEN PEOPLE IDENTIFIED AS EX-CATHOLIC. 198 00:06:45,433 --> 00:06:47,033 TEN PEOPLE IDENTIFIED AS EX-CATHOLIC. SO THIS IS AN IMPORTANT -- 199 00:06:47,066 --> 00:06:50,000 EX-CATHOLIC. SO THIS IS AN IMPORTANT -- >> IS THIS MESSAGE AIMED AT 200 00:06:50,033 --> 00:06:50,333 SO THIS IS AN IMPORTANT -- >> IS THIS MESSAGE AIMED AT THEM? 201 00:06:50,366 --> 00:06:50,833 >> IS THIS MESSAGE AIMED AT THEM? >> OF COURSE. 202 00:06:50,866 --> 00:06:52,533 THEM? >> OF COURSE. BUT THE QUESTION IS, WILL THE 203 00:06:52,566 --> 00:06:53,966 >> OF COURSE. BUT THE QUESTION IS, WILL THE CATHOLIC BISHOP TAKE IT 204 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,633 BUT THE QUESTION IS, WILL THE CATHOLIC BISHOP TAKE IT SERIOUSLY OR STOP TRYING -- 205 00:06:55,666 --> 00:06:57,533 CATHOLIC BISHOP TAKE IT SERIOUSLY OR STOP TRYING -- >> I DON'T THINK THAT -- 206 00:06:57,566 --> 00:06:59,333 SERIOUSLY OR STOP TRYING -- >> I DON'T THINK THAT -- >> LET ME SEEK TO YOUR POINT, AN 207 00:06:59,366 --> 00:07:00,633 >> I DON'T THINK THAT -- >> LET ME SEEK TO YOUR POINT, AN IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT, FIRST OF 208 00:07:00,666 --> 00:07:03,400 >> LET ME SEEK TO YOUR POINT, AN IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT, FIRST OF ALL I THINK THE WORDS FROM A 209 00:07:03,433 --> 00:07:07,266 IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT, FIRST OF ALL I THINK THE WORDS FROM A POPE ARE AMAZING AND THIS IS 210 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:08,866 ALL I THINK THE WORDS FROM A POPE ARE AMAZING AND THIS IS AUTHORITARIAN CHURCH. 211 00:07:08,900 --> 00:07:10,166 POPE ARE AMAZING AND THIS IS AUTHORITARIAN CHURCH. I WOULDN'T PUT WORDS TO THE 212 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:10,466 AUTHORITARIAN CHURCH. I WOULDN'T PUT WORDS TO THE SIDE. 213 00:07:10,500 --> 00:07:13,833 I WOULDN'T PUT WORDS TO THE SIDE. I TAKE THIS NOTION ABOUT ACTION. 214 00:07:13,866 --> 00:07:17,866 SIDE. I TAKE THIS NOTION ABOUT ACTION. I THINK THIS POPE HAS ACT IN 215 00:07:17,900 --> 00:07:18,833 I TAKE THIS NOTION ABOUT ACTION. I THINK THIS POPE HAS ACT IN KEEPING WITH THESE WORDS. 216 00:07:18,866 --> 00:07:20,833 I THINK THIS POPE HAS ACT IN KEEPING WITH THESE WORDS. HE DRIVES AROUND IN A SMALL CAR, 217 00:07:20,866 --> 00:07:25,166 KEEPING WITH THESE WORDS. HE DRIVES AROUND IN A SMALL CAR, DOES NOT LIVE IN THE BIG PALACE 218 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,300 HE DRIVES AROUND IN A SMALL CAR, DOES NOT LIVE IN THE BIG PALACE WHERE THE POPES DO, WHO IS 219 00:07:26,333 --> 00:07:29,400 DOES NOT LIVE IN THE BIG PALACE WHERE THE POPES DO, WHO IS REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE IN EVERY 220 00:07:29,433 --> 00:07:30,166 WHERE THE POPES DO, WHO IS REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE IN EVERY CONCEIVABLE WAY. 221 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,100 REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE IN EVERY CONCEIVABLE WAY. >> WASHING THE FEET OF THE POOR. 222 00:07:33,133 --> 00:07:36,766 CONCEIVABLE WAY. >> WASHING THE FEET OF THE POOR. >> EVEN MORE SO THAN ANY -- ANY 223 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,900 >> WASHING THE FEET OF THE POOR. >> EVEN MORE SO THAN ANY -- ANY CARDINAL FOR THAT MATTER. 224 00:07:39,933 --> 00:07:42,633 >> EVEN MORE SO THAN ANY -- ANY CARDINAL FOR THAT MATTER. HE'S FIRST LIVING IT, BY 225 00:07:42,666 --> 00:07:43,433 CARDINAL FOR THAT MATTER. HE'S FIRST LIVING IT, BY EXAMPLE. 226 00:07:43,466 --> 00:07:44,200 HE'S FIRST LIVING IT, BY EXAMPLE. REMEMBER, WHO THIS IS. 227 00:07:44,233 --> 00:07:47,666 EXAMPLE. REMEMBER, WHO THIS IS. THIS IS A FIRST JESUIT POPE. 228 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:49,733 REMEMBER, WHO THIS IS. THIS IS A FIRST JESUIT POPE. THE JESUITS IS THE GREAT 229 00:07:49,766 --> 00:07:50,566 THIS IS A FIRST JESUIT POPE. THE JESUITS IS THE GREAT INTELLECTUALS OF THE CATHOLIC 230 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,700 THE JESUITS IS THE GREAT INTELLECTUALS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HE LIVED IN THE REAL 231 00:07:52,733 --> 00:07:55,533 INTELLECTUALS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HE LIVED IN THE REAL WORLD AND HE HAS HAD THAT REAL 232 00:07:55,566 --> 00:07:57,633 CHURCH HE LIVED IN THE REAL WORLD AND HE HAS HAD THAT REAL WORLDCOM UP TO HIM IN LATIN 233 00:07:57,666 --> 00:08:00,466 WORLD AND HE HAS HAD THAT REAL WORLDCOM UP TO HIM IN LATIN AMERICA AND HE'S TRYING TO 234 00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:03,500 WORLDCOM UP TO HIM IN LATIN AMERICA AND HE'S TRYING TO INTERNALIZE THAT AS POPE AND -- 235 00:08:03,533 --> 00:08:06,000 AMERICA AND HE'S TRYING TO INTERNALIZE THAT AS POPE AND -- WHATEVER ELSE HE DOES HE IS 236 00:08:06,033 --> 00:08:07,500 INTERNALIZE THAT AS POPE AND -- WHATEVER ELSE HE DOES HE IS GOING TO BE SEEN AS A GREAT 237 00:08:07,533 --> 00:08:08,100 WHATEVER ELSE HE DOES HE IS GOING TO BE SEEN AS A GREAT HUMAN BEING. 238 00:08:08,133 --> 00:08:08,633 GOING TO BE SEEN AS A GREAT HUMAN BEING. >> LAST WORD. 239 00:08:08,666 --> 00:08:11,466 HUMAN BEING. >> LAST WORD. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY 240 00:08:11,500 --> 00:08:12,400 >> LAST WORD. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHY I 241 00:08:12,433 --> 00:08:14,366 >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHY I LOVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WE WERE 242 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:15,433 THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHY I LOVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, NOTHING TO 243 00:08:15,466 --> 00:08:17,133 LOVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUES BECAUSE IN 244 00:08:17,166 --> 00:08:18,400 TALKING ABOUT THIS, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUES BECAUSE IN HIGH SCHOOL THE YOUTH GROUPS 245 00:08:18,433 --> 00:08:20,833 DO WITH THE ISSUES BECAUSE IN HIGH SCHOOL THE YOUTH GROUPS THAT THE OTHER CHURCHES WERE -- 246 00:08:20,866 --> 00:08:22,566 HIGH SCHOOL THE YOUTH GROUPS THAT THE OTHER CHURCHES WERE -- >> DO YOU THINK THESE CHANGES 247 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,633 THAT THE OTHER CHURCHES WERE -- >> DO YOU THINK THESE CHANGES WILL DO ANYTHING TO BRING FALLEN 248 00:08:24,666 --> 00:08:26,133 >> DO YOU THINK THESE CHANGES WILL DO ANYTHING TO BRING FALLEN AWAY CATHOLIC BACK TO THE 249 00:08:26,166 --> 00:08:27,866 WILL DO ANYTHING TO BRING FALLEN AWAY CATHOLIC BACK TO THE CHURCHES IN THE UNITED STATES? 250 00:08:27,900 --> 00:08:29,733 AWAY CATHOLIC BACK TO THE CHURCHES IN THE UNITED STATES? >> YES, I THINK THAT IS POSSIBLE 251 00:08:29,766 --> 00:08:30,866 CHURCHES IN THE UNITED STATES? >> YES, I THINK THAT IS POSSIBLE THAT HIM SAYING THAT THEY WERE 252 00:08:30,900 --> 00:08:33,700 >> YES, I THINK THAT IS POSSIBLE THAT HIM SAYING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO START FOCUSING ON THESE 253 00:08:33,733 --> 00:08:36,200 THAT HIM SAYING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO START FOCUSING ON THESE OTHER ISSUES MAYBE LESS DIVISIVE 254 00:08:36,233 --> 00:08:36,833 GOING TO START FOCUSING ON THESE OTHER ISSUES MAYBE LESS DIVISIVE ISSUES COULD. 255 00:08:36,866 --> 00:08:37,866 OTHER ISSUES MAYBE LESS DIVISIVE ISSUES COULD. >> I THAT I IS THE THRUST THAT 256 00:08:37,900 --> 00:08:39,466 ISSUES COULD. >> I THAT I IS THE THRUST THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT FOCUS. 257 00:08:39,500 --> 00:08:41,100 >> I THAT I IS THE THRUST THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT FOCUS. HE'S TALKING ABOUT INCLUDING 258 00:08:41,133 --> 00:08:45,400 HE'S TALKING ABOUT FOCUS. HE'S TALKING ABOUT INCLUDING THIS ISSUE AS PART OF BROADER 259 00:08:45,433 --> 00:08:45,700 HE'S TALKING ABOUT INCLUDING THIS ISSUE AS PART OF BROADER FOCUS. 260 00:08:45,733 --> 00:08:46,433 THIS ISSUE AS PART OF BROADER FOCUS. I DON'T THINK HE'S SUGGESTING 261 00:08:46,466 --> 00:08:48,166 FOCUS. I DON'T THINK HE'S SUGGESTING THAT THE CHURCH'S POSITION IS 262 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:49,833 I DON'T THINK HE'S SUGGESTING THAT THE CHURCH'S POSITION IS CHANGING, IN FACT HE SAYS THAT 263 00:08:49,866 --> 00:08:52,000 THAT THE CHURCH'S POSITION IS CHANGING, IN FACT HE SAYS THAT THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH ARE 264 00:08:52,033 --> 00:08:52,333 CHANGING, IN FACT HE SAYS THAT THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH ARE CLEAR. 265 00:08:52,366 --> 00:08:55,533 THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH ARE CLEAR. >> ONE QUICK QUESTION. 266 00:08:55,566 --> 00:08:57,966 CLEAR. >> ONE QUICK QUESTION. WILL CHRISTIAN CHURCHES IN THE 267 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,066 >> ONE QUICK QUESTION. WILL CHRISTIAN CHURCHES IN THE UNITED STATES WHO HAVE MADE 268 00:09:00,100 --> 00:09:03,100 WILL CHRISTIAN CHURCHES IN THE UNITED STATES WHO HAVE MADE OBVIOUSLY A HUGE FOCUS, PLACED A 269 00:09:03,133 --> 00:09:04,700 UNITED STATES WHO HAVE MADE OBVIOUSLY A HUGE FOCUS, PLACED A HUGE FOCUS ON ABORTION, GAY 270 00:09:04,733 --> 00:09:06,466 OBVIOUSLY A HUGE FOCUS, PLACED A HUGE FOCUS ON ABORTION, GAY RIGHTS, WILL THEY BE LISTENING. 271 00:09:06,500 --> 00:09:08,433 HUGE FOCUS ON ABORTION, GAY RIGHTS, WILL THEY BE LISTENING. >> YOU KNOW, I WOULD PUSH BACK 272 00:09:08,466 --> 00:09:09,566 RIGHTS, WILL THEY BE LISTENING. >> YOU KNOW, I WOULD PUSH BACK ON THAT QUESTION A LITTLE BIT 273 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,400 >> YOU KNOW, I WOULD PUSH BACK ON THAT QUESTION A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I'M A CHRISTIAN I ATTEND 274 00:09:11,433 --> 00:09:13,033 ON THAT QUESTION A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I'M A CHRISTIAN I ATTEND CHURCH HOST SUNDAYS WHEN I CAN. 275 00:09:13,066 --> 00:09:15,400 BECAUSE I'M A CHRISTIAN I ATTEND CHURCH HOST SUNDAYS WHEN I CAN. IT'S VERY RARE I DON'T THINK 276 00:09:15,433 --> 00:09:18,400 CHURCH HOST SUNDAYS WHEN I CAN. IT'S VERY RARE I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER HEARDER IS MACHINE OR 277 00:09:18,433 --> 00:09:19,700 IT'S VERY RARE I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER HEARDER IS MACHINE OR HOMOSEXUALITY OR -- I HEAR 278 00:09:19,733 --> 00:09:21,466 I'VE EVER HEARDER IS MACHINE OR HOMOSEXUALITY OR -- I HEAR SERMONS OF THE LOVE OF JESUS 279 00:09:21,500 --> 00:09:22,833 HOMOSEXUALITY OR -- I HEAR SERMONS OF THE LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST AND HOW THAT PERVADES 280 00:09:22,866 --> 00:09:24,233 SERMONS OF THE LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST AND HOW THAT PERVADES EVERY ASPECT OF MY LIFE. 281 00:09:24,266 --> 00:09:25,800 CHRIST AND HOW THAT PERVADES EVERY ASPECT OF MY LIFE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT TRULY THE 282 00:09:25,833 --> 00:09:27,333 EVERY ASPECT OF MY LIFE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT TRULY THE FOCUS OF THE CHURCHES. 283 00:09:27,366 --> 00:09:30,933 I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT TRULY THE FOCUS OF THE CHURCHES. THINK THAT OUR MEDIA -- 284 00:09:30,966 --> 00:09:33,333 FOCUS OF THE CHURCHES. THINK THAT OUR MEDIA -- >> IT VARIES CHURCH TO CHURCH. 285 00:09:33,366 --> 00:09:35,166 THINK THAT OUR MEDIA -- >> IT VARIES CHURCH TO CHURCH. I'VE BEEN GUESTS AT CHURCHES 286 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:36,700 >> IT VARIES CHURCH TO CHURCH. I'VE BEEN GUESTS AT CHURCHES WHERE THAT'S ALL THEY'RE TALKING 287 00:09:36,733 --> 00:09:38,166 I'VE BEEN GUESTS AT CHURCHES WHERE THAT'S ALL THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. 288 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,500 WHERE THAT'S ALL THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. 289 00:09:40,533 --> 00:09:41,466 ABOUT. LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. PLEASE FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER 290 00:09:41,500 --> 00:09:45,866 LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. PLEASE FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER @BONNIEERBE. 291 00:09:45,900 --> 00:09:47,133 PLEASE FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER @BONNIEERBE. FROM CHURCH DOCTRINE TO WOMEN'S 292 00:09:47,166 --> 00:09:50,066 @BONNIEERBE. FROM CHURCH DOCTRINE TO WOMEN'S EMPOWERMENT. 293 00:09:50,100 --> 00:09:53,900 FROM CHURCH DOCTRINE TO WOMEN'S EMPOWERMENT. AS THE U.N. KICKS OFF ITS 68TH 294 00:09:53,933 --> 00:09:55,233 EMPOWERMENT. AS THE U.N. KICKS OFF ITS 68TH SYSTEM GENERAL ASSEMBLY THERE'S 295 00:09:55,266 --> 00:09:57,400 AS THE U.N. KICKS OFF ITS 68TH SYSTEM GENERAL ASSEMBLY THERE'S LOTS OF 296 00:09:57,433 --> 00:09:58,100 SYSTEM GENERAL ASSEMBLY THERE'S LOTS OF SPECULATION ABOUT A POSSIBLE 297 00:09:58,133 --> 00:09:58,833 LOTS OF SPECULATION ABOUT A POSSIBLE MEETING OF PRESIDENT OBAMA AND 298 00:09:58,866 --> 00:10:00,766 SPECULATION ABOUT A POSSIBLE MEETING OF PRESIDENT OBAMA AND IRAN'S NEW PRESIDENT. 299 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,233 MEETING OF PRESIDENT OBAMA AND IRAN'S NEW PRESIDENT. BUT OUR FOCUS IS HOW AND WHY 300 00:10:02,266 --> 00:10:03,600 IRAN'S NEW PRESIDENT. BUT OUR FOCUS IS HOW AND WHY THIS WILL BE A PIVOTAL SESSION 301 00:10:03,633 --> 00:10:05,733 BUT OUR FOCUS IS HOW AND WHY THIS WILL BE A PIVOTAL SESSION FOR WOMEN. 302 00:10:05,766 --> 00:10:08,833 THIS WILL BE A PIVOTAL SESSION FOR WOMEN. THE SESSION'S THEME IS "THE 303 00:10:08,866 --> 00:10:11,300 FOR WOMEN. THE SESSION'S THEME IS "THE POST-2015 DEVELOPMENT AGENDA." 304 00:10:11,333 --> 00:10:13,966 THE SESSION'S THEME IS "THE POST-2015 DEVELOPMENT AGENDA." SO NEXT WEEK MEMBER COUNTRIES, 305 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,766 POST-2015 DEVELOPMENT AGENDA." SO NEXT WEEK MEMBER COUNTRIES, NGOS AND PHILANTHROPISTS WILL 306 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,433 SO NEXT WEEK MEMBER COUNTRIES, NGOS AND PHILANTHROPISTS WILL TRY TO DESIGN A WAY TO MEET THE 307 00:10:17,466 --> 00:10:19,233 NGOS AND PHILANTHROPISTS WILL TRY TO DESIGN A WAY TO MEET THE GLOBAL NEEDS OF WOMEN AND 308 00:10:19,266 --> 00:10:21,866 TRY TO DESIGN A WAY TO MEET THE GLOBAL NEEDS OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN SUCH AREAS AS 309 00:10:21,900 --> 00:10:24,366 GLOBAL NEEDS OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN SUCH AREAS AS HEALTHCARE, GENDER EQUALITY, 310 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,433 CHILDREN IN SUCH AREAS AS HEALTHCARE, GENDER EQUALITY, EDUCATION AND HIV/AIDS. 311 00:10:26,466 --> 00:10:27,966 HEALTHCARE, GENDER EQUALITY, EDUCATION AND HIV/AIDS. THEY'LL ALSO BRAINSTORM 312 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,200 EDUCATION AND HIV/AIDS. THEY'LL ALSO BRAINSTORM STRATEGIES TO MAXIMIZE 313 00:10:30,233 --> 00:10:32,033 THEY'LL ALSO BRAINSTORM STRATEGIES TO MAXIMIZE CONTRIBUTIONS WOMEN AND TEENS 314 00:10:32,066 --> 00:10:32,800 STRATEGIES TO MAXIMIZE CONTRIBUTIONS WOMEN AND TEENS CAN MAKE TOWARDS THOSE 315 00:10:32,833 --> 00:10:37,266 CONTRIBUTIONS WOMEN AND TEENS CAN MAKE TOWARDS THOSE DEVELOPMENT GOALS. 316 00:10:37,300 --> 00:10:39,266 CAN MAKE TOWARDS THOSE DEVELOPMENT GOALS. CONGRESSWOMAN NORTON, THE WHOLE 317 00:10:39,300 --> 00:10:40,933 DEVELOPMENT GOALS. CONGRESSWOMAN NORTON, THE WHOLE WORLD'S FOCUS WILL BE ON WHETHER 318 00:10:40,966 --> 00:10:43,300 CONGRESSWOMAN NORTON, THE WHOLE WORLD'S FOCUS WILL BE ON WHETHER THE PRESIDENT MEETS WITH HIS 319 00:10:43,333 --> 00:10:45,633 WORLD'S FOCUS WILL BE ON WHETHER THE PRESIDENT MEETS WITH HIS COUNTER PART FROM IRAN AND WHAT 320 00:10:45,666 --> 00:10:48,133 THE PRESIDENT MEETS WITH HIS COUNTER PART FROM IRAN AND WHAT IS GOING ON IN SYRIA, THERE ARE 321 00:10:48,166 --> 00:10:51,933 COUNTER PART FROM IRAN AND WHAT IS GOING ON IN SYRIA, THERE ARE HUGE EVENTS GOING ON AROUND 322 00:10:51,966 --> 00:10:54,933 IS GOING ON IN SYRIA, THERE ARE HUGE EVENTS GOING ON AROUND WOMEN DEVELOPMENT GOALS, GENDER 323 00:10:54,966 --> 00:10:56,666 HUGE EVENTS GOING ON AROUND WOMEN DEVELOPMENT GOALS, GENDER EQUALITY AND GOVERNMENT AND END 324 00:10:56,700 --> 00:11:00,700 WOMEN DEVELOPMENT GOALS, GENDER EQUALITY AND GOVERNMENT AND END ERADICATION OF POVERTY. 325 00:11:00,733 --> 00:11:02,766 EQUALITY AND GOVERNMENT AND END ERADICATION OF POVERTY. SHOULD THOSE THINGS BE MORE OF A 326 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:03,566 ERADICATION OF POVERTY. SHOULD THOSE THINGS BE MORE OF A FOCUS AND GETTING MORE 327 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,100 SHOULD THOSE THINGS BE MORE OF A FOCUS AND GETTING MORE ATTENTION? 328 00:11:05,133 --> 00:11:11,733 FOCUS AND GETTING MORE ATTENTION? >> WELL, THIS DEADLINE OF 2015 329 00:11:11,766 --> 00:11:13,933 ATTENTION? >> WELL, THIS DEADLINE OF 2015 THAT HAS BEEN PUT ON ISSUES OF 330 00:11:13,966 --> 00:11:16,800 >> WELL, THIS DEADLINE OF 2015 THAT HAS BEEN PUT ON ISSUES OF THIS KIND ARE COMING TO THE 331 00:11:16,833 --> 00:11:18,200 THAT HAS BEEN PUT ON ISSUES OF THIS KIND ARE COMING TO THE FORE, NEW LOADER SHIP AT THE 332 00:11:18,233 --> 00:11:19,633 THIS KIND ARE COMING TO THE FORE, NEW LOADER SHIP AT THE UNITED NATIONS. 333 00:11:19,666 --> 00:11:22,600 FORE, NEW LOADER SHIP AT THE UNITED NATIONS. AND I THINK THAT INCREASINGLY 334 00:11:22,633 --> 00:11:25,166 UNITED NATIONS. AND I THINK THAT INCREASINGLY WE'RE SEEING THAT THE ISSUES THE 335 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,333 AND I THINK THAT INCREASINGLY WE'RE SEEING THAT THE ISSUES THE WORLD STILL HAS TO WORK ON ARE 336 00:11:27,366 --> 00:11:29,233 WE'RE SEEING THAT THE ISSUES THE WORLD STILL HAS TO WORK ON ARE ISSUES THAT FLOW FROM GENDER IN 337 00:11:29,266 --> 00:11:30,433 WORLD STILL HAS TO WORK ON ARE ISSUES THAT FLOW FROM GENDER IN ONE PASSION OR THE OTHER. 338 00:11:30,466 --> 00:11:31,400 ISSUES THAT FLOW FROM GENDER IN ONE PASSION OR THE OTHER. THE WOMEN WHO TAKE CARE OF THE 339 00:11:31,433 --> 00:11:33,066 ONE PASSION OR THE OTHER. THE WOMEN WHO TAKE CARE OF THE CHILDREN. 340 00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:34,533 THE WOMEN WHO TAKE CARE OF THE CHILDREN. THE CHILDREN THAT PUTS US BACK 341 00:11:34,566 --> 00:11:35,233 CHILDREN. THE CHILDREN THAT PUTS US BACK TO WOMEN. 342 00:11:35,266 --> 00:11:38,566 THE CHILDREN THAT PUTS US BACK TO WOMEN. THE WOMEN WHO CANNOT CONTRIBUTE 343 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:39,966 TO WOMEN. THE WOMEN WHO CANNOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE FULL ECONOMY THERE FOR 344 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,033 THE WOMEN WHO CANNOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE FULL ECONOMY THERE FOR LIVE IN POVERTY AND HAVE TO 345 00:11:42,066 --> 00:11:43,233 TO THE FULL ECONOMY THERE FOR LIVE IN POVERTY AND HAVE TO PERPETUATE POVERTY. 346 00:11:43,266 --> 00:11:47,266 LIVE IN POVERTY AND HAVE TO PERPETUATE POVERTY. YOU CAN'T ESCAPE THE FEMALE 347 00:11:47,300 --> 00:11:48,333 PERPETUATE POVERTY. YOU CAN'T ESCAPE THE FEMALE FEELINGS OF ALL OF THIS, I THINK 348 00:11:48,366 --> 00:11:52,266 YOU CAN'T ESCAPE THE FEMALE FEELINGS OF ALL OF THIS, I THINK THAT IT'S COMING TO THE FORE AT 349 00:11:52,300 --> 00:11:53,733 FEELINGS OF ALL OF THIS, I THINK THAT IT'S COMING TO THE FORE AT A TIME WHEN JUST COMING OUT OF 350 00:11:53,766 --> 00:11:55,166 THAT IT'S COMING TO THE FORE AT A TIME WHEN JUST COMING OUT OF THE GREAT RECESSION AND PEOPLE 351 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,766 A TIME WHEN JUST COMING OUT OF THE GREAT RECESSION AND PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO LISTEN. 352 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,700 THE GREAT RECESSION AND PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO LISTEN. >> I THINK THAT THE REAL ENEMY 353 00:11:59,733 --> 00:12:01,833 ARE WILLING TO LISTEN. >> I THINK THAT THE REAL ENEMY TO WOMEN'S ADVANCEMENT ASIDE 354 00:12:01,866 --> 00:12:02,533 >> I THINK THAT THE REAL ENEMY TO WOMEN'S ADVANCEMENT ASIDE FROM CERTAIN GOVERNMENTS AND 355 00:12:02,566 --> 00:12:04,833 TO WOMEN'S ADVANCEMENT ASIDE FROM CERTAIN GOVERNMENTS AND OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD WHO ARE 356 00:12:04,866 --> 00:12:06,233 FROM CERTAIN GOVERNMENTS AND OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD WHO ARE TRULY ANTAGONISTIC TOWARDS 357 00:12:06,266 --> 00:12:07,266 OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD WHO ARE TRULY ANTAGONISTIC TOWARDS WOMEN'S RIGHTS IS POVERTY. 358 00:12:07,300 --> 00:12:09,400 TRULY ANTAGONISTIC TOWARDS WOMEN'S RIGHTS IS POVERTY. WE LOOK AT WORLDWIDE POVERTY. 359 00:12:09,433 --> 00:12:11,933 WOMEN'S RIGHTS IS POVERTY. WE LOOK AT WORLDWIDE POVERTY. >> AND LACK OF EDZ WE KNOW THAT 360 00:12:11,966 --> 00:12:13,233 WE LOOK AT WORLDWIDE POVERTY. >> AND LACK OF EDZ WE KNOW THAT THE REAL HURDLE IN THE WAY OF 361 00:12:13,266 --> 00:12:15,366 >> AND LACK OF EDZ WE KNOW THAT THE REAL HURDLE IN THE WAY OF POVERTY IS A LACK OF FREE 362 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:15,766 THE REAL HURDLE IN THE WAY OF POVERTY IS A LACK OF FREE ENTERPRISE. 363 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:16,933 POVERTY IS A LACK OF FREE ENTERPRISE. FREE ENTERPRISE HAS DONE MORE TO 364 00:12:16,966 --> 00:12:18,533 ENTERPRISE. FREE ENTERPRISE HAS DONE MORE TO BRING PEOPLE OUT OF THE POVERTY 365 00:12:18,566 --> 00:12:19,433 FREE ENTERPRISE HAS DONE MORE TO BRING PEOPLE OUT OF THE POVERTY THAN ANY GOVERNMENT SYSTEM AND 366 00:12:19,466 --> 00:12:21,366 BRING PEOPLE OUT OF THE POVERTY THAN ANY GOVERNMENT SYSTEM AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE U.N. 367 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,300 THAN ANY GOVERNMENT SYSTEM AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE U.N. REALLY CONSIDER PART OF THEIR 368 00:12:23,333 --> 00:12:24,300 SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE U.N. REALLY CONSIDER PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT GOALS AND INCREASING 369 00:12:24,333 --> 00:12:27,233 REALLY CONSIDER PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT GOALS AND INCREASING ACCESS TO FREE ENTERPRISE. 370 00:12:27,266 --> 00:12:29,700 DEVELOPMENT GOALS AND INCREASING ACCESS TO FREE ENTERPRISE. >> WHEN WE WERE JUST TALKING 371 00:12:29,733 --> 00:12:31,666 ACCESS TO FREE ENTERPRISE. >> WHEN WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT A KINDLER, GENTLER 372 00:12:31,700 --> 00:12:33,133 >> WHEN WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT A KINDLER, GENTLER VATICAN, THIS IS WHERE HE CAN 373 00:12:33,166 --> 00:12:35,666 ABOUT A KINDLER, GENTLER VATICAN, THIS IS WHERE HE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE HE HAS 374 00:12:35,700 --> 00:12:37,566 VATICAN, THIS IS WHERE HE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE HE HAS HAD INTERFERENCE WITH PASSING 375 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,200 MAKE A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE HE HAS HAD INTERFERENCE WITH PASSING TREATIES THAT WOULD HELP WOMEN, 376 00:12:40,233 --> 00:12:42,666 HAD INTERFERENCE WITH PASSING TREATIES THAT WOULD HELP WOMEN, THAT WOULD REDUCE VIOLENCE. 377 00:12:42,700 --> 00:12:44,466 TREATIES THAT WOULD HELP WOMEN, THAT WOULD REDUCE VIOLENCE. CONCERNS ABOUT CONTRACEPTION AND 378 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:45,333 THAT WOULD REDUCE VIOLENCE. CONCERNS ABOUT CONTRACEPTION AND ABORTION THIS WOULD BE WONDERFUL 379 00:12:45,366 --> 00:12:46,966 CONCERNS ABOUT CONTRACEPTION AND ABORTION THIS WOULD BE WONDERFUL PLACE FOR THE VATICAN TO STEP 380 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:47,233 ABORTION THIS WOULD BE WONDERFUL PLACE FOR THE VATICAN TO STEP UP. 381 00:12:47,266 --> 00:12:48,266 PLACE FOR THE VATICAN TO STEP UP. >> THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT. 382 00:12:48,300 --> 00:12:50,533 UP. >> THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT. BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY -- WE AT "TO 383 00:12:50,566 --> 00:12:52,933 >> THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT. BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY -- WE AT "TO THE CONTRARY" COVER THE THE '94 384 00:12:52,966 --> 00:12:54,833 BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY -- WE AT "TO THE CONTRARY" COVER THE THE '94 CONFERENCE ON POPULATION AND 385 00:12:54,866 --> 00:12:55,233 THE CONTRARY" COVER THE THE '94 CONFERENCE ON POPULATION AND DEVELOPMENT. 386 00:12:55,266 --> 00:12:58,766 CONFERENCE ON POPULATION AND DEVELOPMENT. PART OF WHICH WAS TO GET ACCESS 387 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,866 DEVELOPMENT. PART OF WHICH WAS TO GET ACCESS TO BIRTH CONTROL AND 388 00:13:00,900 --> 00:13:01,966 PART OF WHICH WAS TO GET ACCESS TO BIRTH CONTROL AND CONTRACEPTIVES TO WOMEN WHO 389 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,000 TO BIRTH CONTROL AND CONTRACEPTIVES TO WOMEN WHO NEEDED IT. 390 00:13:03,033 --> 00:13:03,866 CONTRACEPTIVES TO WOMEN WHO NEEDED IT. EVERY WOMAN IN THE WORLD WHO 391 00:13:03,900 --> 00:13:05,833 NEEDED IT. EVERY WOMAN IN THE WORLD WHO NEEDED IT AS WELL AS ACCESS TO 392 00:13:05,866 --> 00:13:07,700 EVERY WOMAN IN THE WORLD WHO NEEDED IT AS WELL AS ACCESS TO EDUCATION AND VATICAN CAME IN 393 00:13:07,733 --> 00:13:09,566 NEEDED IT AS WELL AS ACCESS TO EDUCATION AND VATICAN CAME IN AND SAID, NO, WE'RE OPPOSED TO 394 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,300 EDUCATION AND VATICAN CAME IN AND SAID, NO, WE'RE OPPOSED TO THIS AND BLOCKED IT. 395 00:13:11,333 --> 00:13:14,133 AND SAID, NO, WE'RE OPPOSED TO THIS AND BLOCKED IT. >> THAT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT IT 396 00:13:14,166 --> 00:13:17,866 THIS AND BLOCKED IT. >> THAT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT IT STOPS PROGRESS THAT ACCESS TO 397 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:19,833 >> THAT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT IT STOPS PROGRESS THAT ACCESS TO CONTRACEPTION REDUCES MATERNAL 398 00:13:19,866 --> 00:13:21,800 STOPS PROGRESS THAT ACCESS TO CONTRACEPTION REDUCES MATERNAL MORTALITY AND BRINGS ALONG 399 00:13:21,833 --> 00:13:22,900 CONTRACEPTION REDUCES MATERNAL MORTALITY AND BRINGS ALONG HEALTH BENEFITS. 400 00:13:22,933 --> 00:13:24,466 MORTALITY AND BRINGS ALONG HEALTH BENEFITS. >> SUCH A COMPLICATED ISSUE. 401 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:25,900 HEALTH BENEFITS. >> SUCH A COMPLICATED ISSUE. OTHER THAN THE GENDER ISSUE IS 402 00:13:25,933 --> 00:13:27,133 >> SUCH A COMPLICATED ISSUE. OTHER THAN THE GENDER ISSUE IS GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE 403 00:13:27,166 --> 00:13:28,366 OTHER THAN THE GENDER ISSUE IS GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMIC 404 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:29,466 GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMIC ISSUES, THAT HAS A LOT TO DO 405 00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:31,466 TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMIC ISSUES, THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE POLITICAL ISSUE. 406 00:13:31,500 --> 00:13:32,700 ISSUES, THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE POLITICAL ISSUE. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE FREE 407 00:13:32,733 --> 00:13:34,566 WITH THE POLITICAL ISSUE. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE FREE ENTERPRISE A LOT OF TIMES IN A 408 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:35,600 YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE FREE ENTERPRISE A LOT OF TIMES IN A STABLE, ECONOMIC SITUATION UNTIL 409 00:13:35,633 --> 00:13:37,533 ENTERPRISE A LOT OF TIMES IN A STABLE, ECONOMIC SITUATION UNTIL YOU HAVE A STABLE POLITICAL 410 00:13:37,566 --> 00:13:39,100 STABLE, ECONOMIC SITUATION UNTIL YOU HAVE A STABLE POLITICAL SITUATION AND THE U.N. OR THE 411 00:13:39,133 --> 00:13:41,100 YOU HAVE A STABLE POLITICAL SITUATION AND THE U.N. OR THE U.S. OR OTHER NATIONS CAN'T JUST 412 00:13:41,133 --> 00:13:43,600 SITUATION AND THE U.N. OR THE U.S. OR OTHER NATIONS CAN'T JUST BUST IN TO THE DOORS TAKE OVER 413 00:13:43,633 --> 00:13:45,633 U.S. OR OTHER NATIONS CAN'T JUST BUST IN TO THE DOORS TAKE OVER THE COUNTRY AND PUT IN PLACE 414 00:13:45,666 --> 00:13:47,033 BUST IN TO THE DOORS TAKE OVER THE COUNTRY AND PUT IN PLACE STABLE POLITICAL SITUATIONS SO 415 00:13:47,066 --> 00:13:49,666 THE COUNTRY AND PUT IN PLACE STABLE POLITICAL SITUATIONS SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE BETTER 416 00:13:49,700 --> 00:13:50,833 STABLE POLITICAL SITUATIONS SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE BETTER EDUCATION AND LOWER UNEMPLOYMENT 417 00:13:50,866 --> 00:13:53,466 THAT THEY CAN HAVE BETTER EDUCATION AND LOWER UNEMPLOYMENT AND A WHOLE OTHER HOST OF 418 00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:53,900 EDUCATION AND LOWER UNEMPLOYMENT AND A WHOLE OTHER HOST OF ISSUES. 419 00:13:53,933 --> 00:13:56,266 AND A WHOLE OTHER HOST OF ISSUES. >> BUT SHOULD THE U.N. BE TAKING 420 00:13:56,300 --> 00:13:58,833 ISSUES. >> BUT SHOULD THE U.N. BE TAKING A STRONG STAND ON, FOR EXAMPLE, 421 00:13:58,866 --> 00:14:00,100 >> BUT SHOULD THE U.N. BE TAKING A STRONG STAND ON, FOR EXAMPLE, MATERNAL AND CHILD HEALTH CARE. 422 00:14:00,133 --> 00:14:01,800 A STRONG STAND ON, FOR EXAMPLE, MATERNAL AND CHILD HEALTH CARE. THERE ARE 220 MILLION WOMEN IN 423 00:14:01,833 --> 00:14:02,966 MATERNAL AND CHILD HEALTH CARE. THERE ARE 220 MILLION WOMEN IN THE WORLD WHO HAVE ACCESS TO 424 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,733 THERE ARE 220 MILLION WOMEN IN THE WORLD WHO HAVE ACCESS TO NONE OF THAT AND THERE ARE LOTS 425 00:14:05,766 --> 00:14:08,600 THE WORLD WHO HAVE ACCESS TO NONE OF THAT AND THERE ARE LOTS OF -- I THINK ALMOST 100,000 426 00:14:08,633 --> 00:14:10,000 NONE OF THAT AND THERE ARE LOTS OF -- I THINK ALMOST 100,000 MATERNAL DEATHS IN CHILD BIRTH 427 00:14:10,033 --> 00:14:11,166 OF -- I THINK ALMOST 100,000 MATERNAL DEATHS IN CHILD BIRTH EVERY YEAR IN THE WORLD. 428 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,033 MATERNAL DEATHS IN CHILD BIRTH EVERY YEAR IN THE WORLD. SHOULD THAT BE MORE OF AN ISSUE? 429 00:14:13,066 --> 00:14:14,633 EVERY YEAR IN THE WORLD. SHOULD THAT BE MORE OF AN ISSUE? SHOULD THE U.N -- SHOULD THIS BE 430 00:14:14,666 --> 00:14:17,333 SHOULD THAT BE MORE OF AN ISSUE? SHOULD THE U.N -- SHOULD THIS BE PART OF THE U.N.'S PORTFOLIO? 431 00:14:17,366 --> 00:14:19,000 SHOULD THE U.N -- SHOULD THIS BE PART OF THE U.N.'S PORTFOLIO? >> THAT'S WHOLE OTHER DEBATE 432 00:14:19,033 --> 00:14:19,833 PART OF THE U.N.'S PORTFOLIO? >> THAT'S WHOLE OTHER DEBATE WHAT THE WON SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T 433 00:14:19,866 --> 00:14:21,166 >> THAT'S WHOLE OTHER DEBATE WHAT THE WON SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T BE DOING I THINK THE U.N. DOES A 434 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:22,566 WHAT THE WON SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T BE DOING I THINK THE U.N. DOES A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DEBATE 435 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,133 BE DOING I THINK THE U.N. DOES A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DEBATE THAT MAYBE THE U.N. SHOULDN'T BE 436 00:14:24,166 --> 00:14:25,133 LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DEBATE THAT MAYBE THE U.N. SHOULDN'T BE GETTING INVOLVED IN. 437 00:14:25,166 --> 00:14:25,900 THAT MAYBE THE U.N. SHOULDN'T BE GETTING INVOLVED IN. WITHOUT THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES 438 00:14:25,933 --> 00:14:27,500 GETTING INVOLVED IN. WITHOUT THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES THAT THEY'RE LOOKING IN TO LIKE 439 00:14:27,533 --> 00:14:29,833 WITHOUT THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES THAT THEY'RE LOOKING IN TO LIKE THE HIV AIDS THINGS, THOSE ARE 440 00:14:29,866 --> 00:14:31,666 THAT THEY'RE LOOKING IN TO LIKE THE HIV AIDS THINGS, THOSE ARE VERY WONDERFUL, HIGHER EDUCATION 441 00:14:31,700 --> 00:14:33,233 THE HIV AIDS THINGS, THOSE ARE VERY WONDERFUL, HIGHER EDUCATION ISSUES, BUT I THINK IT'S GREAT 442 00:14:33,266 --> 00:14:34,766 VERY WONDERFUL, HIGHER EDUCATION ISSUES, BUT I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR NATIONS TO COME TOGETHER 443 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,066 ISSUES, BUT I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR NATIONS TO COME TOGETHER FIGURE OUT HOW WE SOLVE THOSE 444 00:14:36,100 --> 00:14:36,433 FOR NATIONS TO COME TOGETHER FIGURE OUT HOW WE SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS. 445 00:14:36,466 --> 00:14:37,966 FIGURE OUT HOW WE SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS. >> I THINK YOU LOOK AT INFANT 446 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,766 PROBLEMS. >> I THINK YOU LOOK AT INFANT MORTALITY OR MATERNAL HEALTH ANY 447 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,233 >> I THINK YOU LOOK AT INFANT MORTALITY OR MATERNAL HEALTH ANY MEASURE OF HEALTH IS ALMOST 448 00:14:41,266 --> 00:14:43,533 MORTALITY OR MATERNAL HEALTH ANY MEASURE OF HEALTH IS ALMOST ACROSS THE BOARD BETTER OFF IN 449 00:14:43,566 --> 00:14:44,433 MEASURE OF HEALTH IS ALMOST ACROSS THE BOARD BETTER OFF IN COUNTRIES THAT ARE WEALTHIER AND 450 00:14:44,466 --> 00:14:45,733 ACROSS THE BOARD BETTER OFF IN COUNTRIES THAT ARE WEALTHIER AND COUNTRIES THAT ARE MORE 451 00:14:45,766 --> 00:14:46,366 COUNTRIES THAT ARE WEALTHIER AND COUNTRIES THAT ARE MORE ECONOMICALLY DEVELOPED. 452 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,533 COUNTRIES THAT ARE MORE ECONOMICALLY DEVELOPED. WE TALK ABOUT DOLLARS AND CENTS 453 00:14:48,566 --> 00:14:50,200 ECONOMICALLY DEVELOPED. WE TALK ABOUT DOLLARS AND CENTS IT SEEMS SEPARATED FROM HUMAN 454 00:14:50,233 --> 00:14:51,633 WE TALK ABOUT DOLLARS AND CENTS IT SEEMS SEPARATED FROM HUMAN DEVELOPMENT IT'S REALLY NOT WHEN 455 00:14:51,666 --> 00:14:53,766 IT SEEMS SEPARATED FROM HUMAN DEVELOPMENT IT'S REALLY NOT WHEN THESE COUNTRIES HAVE STRONGER 456 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:59,500 DEVELOPMENT IT'S REALLY NOT WHEN THESE COUNTRIES HAVE STRONGER MORE STABLE ECONOMY. 457 00:14:59,533 --> 00:15:00,200 THESE COUNTRIES HAVE STRONGER MORE STABLE ECONOMY. >> JOIN US TUESDAY AT 2PM 458 00:15:00,233 --> 00:15:01,133 MORE STABLE ECONOMY. >> JOIN US TUESDAY AT 2PM EASTERN TIME FOR A SPECIAL 459 00:15:01,166 --> 00:15:02,133 >> JOIN US TUESDAY AT 2PM EASTERN TIME FOR A SPECIAL INTERACTIVE SCREENING OF OUR TTC 460 00:15:02,166 --> 00:15:04,933 EASTERN TIME FOR A SPECIAL INTERACTIVE SCREENING OF OUR TTC DOCUMENTARY "SAVING WOMEN AND 461 00:15:04,966 --> 00:15:06,000 INTERACTIVE SCREENING OF OUR TTC DOCUMENTARY "SAVING WOMEN AND GIRLS". 462 00:15:06,033 --> 00:15:06,766 DOCUMENTARY "SAVING WOMEN AND GIRLS". WE'LL HEAR FROM MELINDA GATES 463 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:07,600 GIRLS". WE'LL HEAR FROM MELINDA GATES AND OTHER LEADERS ABOUT THEIR 464 00:15:07,633 --> 00:15:08,566 WE'LL HEAR FROM MELINDA GATES AND OTHER LEADERS ABOUT THEIR COMMITMENT TO WOMEN'S 465 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,166 AND OTHER LEADERS ABOUT THEIR COMMITMENT TO WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH, AND SHOW 466 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,066 COMMITMENT TO WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH, AND SHOW YOU WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR WOMEN 467 00:15:12,100 --> 00:15:12,933 REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH, AND SHOW YOU WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR WOMEN OVERSEAS WHO HAVE NO ACCESS TO 468 00:15:12,966 --> 00:15:14,600 YOU WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR WOMEN OVERSEAS WHO HAVE NO ACCESS TO MATERNAL HEALTH. 469 00:15:14,633 --> 00:15:16,066 OVERSEAS WHO HAVE NO ACCESS TO MATERNAL HEALTH. LOG IN USING THE URL ON THE 470 00:15:16,100 --> 00:15:19,000 MATERNAL HEALTH. LOG IN USING THE URL ON THE SCREEN OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE FOR 471 00:15:19,033 --> 00:15:25,333 LOG IN USING THE URL ON THE SCREEN OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE. 472 00:15:25,366 --> 00:15:26,833 SCREEN OR VISIT OUR WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE. BEHIND THE HEADLINES: WADJDA, 473 00:15:26,866 --> 00:15:29,100 MORE INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE. BEHIND THE HEADLINES: WADJDA, THE FIRST FILM BY A SAUDI WOMAN 474 00:15:29,133 --> 00:15:30,266 BEHIND THE HEADLINES: WADJDA, THE FIRST FILM BY A SAUDI WOMAN AND THE FIRST FEATURE FILM SHOT 475 00:15:30,300 --> 00:15:31,933 THE FIRST FILM BY A SAUDI WOMAN AND THE FIRST FEATURE FILM SHOT IN SAUDI ARABIA OPENED IN 476 00:15:31,966 --> 00:15:33,500 AND THE FIRST FEATURE FILM SHOT IN SAUDI ARABIA OPENED IN THEATRES ACROSS THE COUNTRY THIS 477 00:15:33,533 --> 00:15:41,033 IN SAUDI ARABIA OPENED IN THEATRES ACROSS THE COUNTRY THIS WEEKEND. 478 00:15:41,066 --> 00:15:41,733 THEATRES ACROSS THE COUNTRY THIS WEEKEND. "TO THE CONTRARY" SPOKE WITH 479 00:15:41,766 --> 00:15:42,500 WEEKEND. "TO THE CONTRARY" SPOKE WITH DIRECTOR HAIFAA AL-MANSOUR ABOUT 480 00:15:42,533 --> 00:15:43,366 "TO THE CONTRARY" SPOKE WITH DIRECTOR HAIFAA AL-MANSOUR ABOUT WHY AND HOW SHE WROTE AND 481 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,966 DIRECTOR HAIFAA AL-MANSOUR ABOUT WHY AND HOW SHE WROTE AND DIRECTED THIS FILM. 482 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,566 WHY AND HOW SHE WROTE AND DIRECTED THIS FILM. WADJDA IS THE STORY OF A YOUNG 483 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,966 DIRECTED THIS FILM. WADJDA IS THE STORY OF A YOUNG SAUDI GIRL WHO JUST WANTS TO 484 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,666 WADJDA IS THE STORY OF A YOUNG SAUDI GIRL WHO JUST WANTS TO RIDE A BICYCLE. 485 00:15:55,700 --> 00:15:57,733 SAUDI GIRL WHO JUST WANTS TO RIDE A BICYCLE. IT'S ALSO ABOUT LOVE AND FREEDOM 486 00:15:57,766 --> 00:15:58,433 RIDE A BICYCLE. IT'S ALSO ABOUT LOVE AND FREEDOM IN A SOMETIMES REPRESSIVE AND 487 00:15:58,466 --> 00:15:59,766 IT'S ALSO ABOUT LOVE AND FREEDOM IN A SOMETIMES REPRESSIVE AND SEXIST SOCIETY. 488 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:00,633 IN A SOMETIMES REPRESSIVE AND SEXIST SOCIETY. >> IT'S A FILM ABOUT HOPE, ABOUT 489 00:16:00,666 --> 00:16:02,133 SEXIST SOCIETY. >> IT'S A FILM ABOUT HOPE, ABOUT EMBRACING POTENTIAL, AND IT JUST 490 00:16:02,166 --> 00:16:05,900 >> IT'S A FILM ABOUT HOPE, ABOUT EMBRACING POTENTIAL, AND IT JUST MOVES AWAY FROM IT, AND PICTURES 491 00:16:05,933 --> 00:16:07,833 EMBRACING POTENTIAL, AND IT JUST MOVES AWAY FROM IT, AND PICTURES ARAB WOMEN AS VICTIMS AND 492 00:16:07,866 --> 00:16:08,700 MOVES AWAY FROM IT, AND PICTURES ARAB WOMEN AS VICTIMS AND HELPLESS, BECAUSE AN IMAGE LIKE 493 00:16:08,733 --> 00:16:09,433 ARAB WOMEN AS VICTIMS AND HELPLESS, BECAUSE AN IMAGE LIKE THIS DOES NOT CHANGE AND DOES 494 00:16:09,466 --> 00:16:10,800 HELPLESS, BECAUSE AN IMAGE LIKE THIS DOES NOT CHANGE AND DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE. 495 00:16:10,833 --> 00:16:11,966 THIS DOES NOT CHANGE AND DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE. AND I FELT THAT DEPICTING WOMEN 496 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,266 NOT CONTRIBUTE. AND I FELT THAT DEPICTING WOMEN AS SURVIVORS, AS PEOPLE WHO CAN 497 00:16:13,300 --> 00:16:15,333 AND I FELT THAT DEPICTING WOMEN AS SURVIVORS, AS PEOPLE WHO CAN CHANGE THEIR DESTINY IF THEY 498 00:16:15,366 --> 00:16:17,566 AS SURVIVORS, AS PEOPLE WHO CAN CHANGE THEIR DESTINY IF THEY WORK HARD. 499 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,066 CHANGE THEIR DESTINY IF THEY WORK HARD. AND IT IS A TOUGH PLACE LIKE 500 00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:20,533 WORK HARD. AND IT IS A TOUGH PLACE LIKE ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD 501 00:16:20,566 --> 00:16:22,566 AND IT IS A TOUGH PLACE LIKE ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD SOMETIMES, IT'S TOUGHER FOR 502 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,100 ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD SOMETIMES, IT'S TOUGHER FOR WOMEN FOR SURE. 503 00:16:24,133 --> 00:16:25,100 SOMETIMES, IT'S TOUGHER FOR WOMEN FOR SURE. BUT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO GIVE 504 00:16:25,133 --> 00:16:27,066 WOMEN FOR SURE. BUT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO GIVE THEM THOSE INSPIRING CHARACTERS 505 00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:28,300 BUT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO GIVE THEM THOSE INSPIRING CHARACTERS THAT ARE WILLING TO FIGHT, AND 506 00:16:28,333 --> 00:16:31,266 THEM THOSE INSPIRING CHARACTERS THAT ARE WILLING TO FIGHT, AND CHANGE THINGS IN THEIR FAVOR. 507 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:33,400 THAT ARE WILLING TO FIGHT, AND CHANGE THINGS IN THEIR FAVOR. >> THE MOVIE WAS FILMED IN SAUDI 508 00:16:33,433 --> 00:16:34,800 CHANGE THINGS IN THEIR FAVOR. >> THE MOVIE WAS FILMED IN SAUDI ARABIA WITH THE PARTICIPATION 509 00:16:34,833 --> 00:16:40,666 >> THE MOVIE WAS FILMED IN SAUDI ARABIA WITH THE PARTICIPATION AND ENDORSEMENT OF THE SAUDI 510 00:16:40,700 --> 00:16:41,833 ARABIA WITH THE PARTICIPATION AND ENDORSEMENT OF THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT, A VERY UNUSUAL THING 511 00:16:41,866 --> 00:16:43,333 AND ENDORSEMENT OF THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT, A VERY UNUSUAL THING AS THE COUNTRY IS KNOWN FOR ITS 512 00:16:43,366 --> 00:16:44,000 GOVERNMENT, A VERY UNUSUAL THING AS THE COUNTRY IS KNOWN FOR ITS REPRESSIVE POLICIES TOWARDS 513 00:16:44,033 --> 00:16:45,133 AS THE COUNTRY IS KNOWN FOR ITS REPRESSIVE POLICIES TOWARDS WOMEN. 514 00:16:45,166 --> 00:16:46,500 REPRESSIVE POLICIES TOWARDS WOMEN. AL-MANSOUR HAD TO DIRECT THE 515 00:16:46,533 --> 00:16:48,633 WOMEN. AL-MANSOUR HAD TO DIRECT THE MOVIE INDIRECTLY, FROM A NEARBY 516 00:16:48,666 --> 00:16:50,133 AL-MANSOUR HAD TO DIRECT THE MOVIE INDIRECTLY, FROM A NEARBY VAN. 517 00:16:50,166 --> 00:16:52,000 MOVIE INDIRECTLY, FROM A NEARBY VAN. HIDDEN FROM SIGHT, SHE SAW HER 518 00:16:52,033 --> 00:16:53,500 VAN. HIDDEN FROM SIGHT, SHE SAW HER CAST AND CREW ON MONITORS AND 519 00:16:53,533 --> 00:16:56,033 HIDDEN FROM SIGHT, SHE SAW HER CAST AND CREW ON MONITORS AND INSTRUCTED THEM VIA RADIO. 520 00:16:56,066 --> 00:16:56,866 CAST AND CREW ON MONITORS AND INSTRUCTED THEM VIA RADIO. >> FOR ME IT WAS VERY 521 00:16:56,900 --> 00:16:57,933 INSTRUCTED THEM VIA RADIO. >> FOR ME IT WAS VERY FRUSTRATING AND I WAS REALLY -- 522 00:16:57,966 --> 00:17:00,066 >> FOR ME IT WAS VERY FRUSTRATING AND I WAS REALLY -- SOMETIMES I WANTED TO JUMP OUT 523 00:17:00,100 --> 00:17:01,133 FRUSTRATING AND I WAS REALLY -- SOMETIMES I WANTED TO JUMP OUT OF THAT VAN, AND IT'S CONFINED, 524 00:17:01,166 --> 00:17:01,866 SOMETIMES I WANTED TO JUMP OUT OF THAT VAN, AND IT'S CONFINED, YOU KNOW? 525 00:17:01,900 --> 00:17:03,333 OF THAT VAN, AND IT'S CONFINED, YOU KNOW? AND I WANTED REALLY TO CHANGE 526 00:17:03,366 --> 00:17:05,866 YOU KNOW? AND I WANTED REALLY TO CHANGE THINGS AND FEEL THE BLOCKING AND 527 00:17:05,900 --> 00:17:07,500 AND I WANTED REALLY TO CHANGE THINGS AND FEEL THE BLOCKING AND CHANGE WHERE THE ACTORS ARE. BUT 528 00:17:07,533 --> 00:17:09,533 THINGS AND FEEL THE BLOCKING AND CHANGE WHERE THE ACTORS ARE. BUT I'M VERY -- I FEEL GOOD THAT I 529 00:17:09,566 --> 00:17:10,266 CHANGE WHERE THE ACTORS ARE. BUT I'M VERY -- I FEEL GOOD THAT I WAS ABLE TO FILM THE FIRST FILM 530 00:17:10,300 --> 00:17:11,633 I'M VERY -- I FEEL GOOD THAT I WAS ABLE TO FILM THE FIRST FILM IN SAUDI. 531 00:17:11,666 --> 00:17:13,033 WAS ABLE TO FILM THE FIRST FILM IN SAUDI. AND FOR ME, IT WASN'T TO CLASH 532 00:17:13,066 --> 00:17:14,666 IN SAUDI. AND FOR ME, IT WASN'T TO CLASH WITH PEOPLE AS MUCH AS TO BE 533 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:15,933 AND FOR ME, IT WASN'T TO CLASH WITH PEOPLE AS MUCH AS TO BE ENGAGED WITH THE ART AND BRING 534 00:17:15,966 --> 00:17:17,900 WITH PEOPLE AS MUCH AS TO BE ENGAGED WITH THE ART AND BRING SOMETHING, TOLERANCE, AND FILM 535 00:17:17,933 --> 00:17:19,666 ENGAGED WITH THE ART AND BRING SOMETHING, TOLERANCE, AND FILM AND ALL THAT. 536 00:17:19,700 --> 00:17:20,766 SOMETHING, TOLERANCE, AND FILM AND ALL THAT. AND IF WE HAVE TO BE IN A VAN, 537 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,566 AND ALL THAT. AND IF WE HAVE TO BE IN A VAN, WE WILL BE IN A VAN. 538 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,533 AND IF WE HAVE TO BE IN A VAN, WE WILL BE IN A VAN. IT'S OK. 539 00:17:24,566 --> 00:17:25,600 WE WILL BE IN A VAN. IT'S OK. IT'S WORTH IT. 540 00:17:25,633 --> 00:17:26,333 IT'S OK. IT'S WORTH IT. >> AL-MANSOUR MAY HAVE BEEN 541 00:17:26,366 --> 00:17:31,233 IT'S WORTH IT. >> AL-MANSOUR MAY HAVE BEEN CONFINED TO A VAN, BUT WADJDA 542 00:17:31,266 --> 00:17:33,766 >> AL-MANSOUR MAY HAVE BEEN CONFINED TO A VAN, BUT WADJDA WAS RIDING A BICYCLE. 543 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:34,366 CONFINED TO A VAN, BUT WADJDA WAS RIDING A BICYCLE. FOR AL-MANSOUR AND OTHER 544 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:35,066 WAS RIDING A BICYCLE. FOR AL-MANSOUR AND OTHER FILMMAKERS SUCH AS STEVEN 545 00:17:35,100 --> 00:17:35,900 FOR AL-MANSOUR AND OTHER FILMMAKERS SUCH AS STEVEN SPIELBERG, THE BIKE IS A 546 00:17:35,933 --> 00:17:39,400 FILMMAKERS SUCH AS STEVEN SPIELBERG, THE BIKE IS A POWERFUL SYMBOL. 547 00:17:39,433 --> 00:17:41,900 SPIELBERG, THE BIKE IS A POWERFUL SYMBOL. >> A LOT OF FILMS HAVE A BICYCLE 548 00:17:41,933 --> 00:17:43,333 POWERFUL SYMBOL. >> A LOT OF FILMS HAVE A BICYCLE AT THE HEART AND I FELT THAT 549 00:17:43,366 --> 00:17:44,866 >> A LOT OF FILMS HAVE A BICYCLE AT THE HEART AND I FELT THAT THAT WILL BRING WITH IT A LOT. 550 00:17:44,900 --> 00:17:46,333 AT THE HEART AND I FELT THAT THAT WILL BRING WITH IT A LOT. IT IS ALSO ABOUT THE MOBILITY 551 00:17:46,366 --> 00:17:48,333 THAT WILL BRING WITH IT A LOT. IT IS ALSO ABOUT THE MOBILITY AND FREEDOM AND BEING MODERN IN 552 00:17:48,366 --> 00:17:50,033 IT IS ALSO ABOUT THE MOBILITY AND FREEDOM AND BEING MODERN IN A WAY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE 553 00:17:50,066 --> 00:17:51,433 AND FREEDOM AND BEING MODERN IN A WAY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN SAUDI. 554 00:17:51,466 --> 00:17:53,300 A WAY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN SAUDI. THAT IS WHY I ALSO HAD A YOUNG 555 00:17:53,333 --> 00:17:56,466 HAVE IN SAUDI. THAT IS WHY I ALSO HAD A YOUNG GIRL TO BE THE PROTAGONIST. 556 00:17:56,500 --> 00:17:58,166 THAT IS WHY I ALSO HAD A YOUNG GIRL TO BE THE PROTAGONIST. BECAUSE I WANT HER MOBILITY, HER 557 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:59,933 GIRL TO BE THE PROTAGONIST. BECAUSE I WANT HER MOBILITY, HER FREEDOM, I -- MAYBE I AM IN A 558 00:17:59,966 --> 00:18:00,766 BECAUSE I WANT HER MOBILITY, HER FREEDOM, I -- MAYBE I AM IN A VAN, BUT SHE AT LEAST CAN GO. 559 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:01,733 FREEDOM, I -- MAYBE I AM IN A VAN, BUT SHE AT LEAST CAN GO. I CAN FILM HER WHILE SHE'S 560 00:18:01,766 --> 00:18:02,466 VAN, BUT SHE AT LEAST CAN GO. I CAN FILM HER WHILE SHE'S RUNNING AND ENJOYING THE OPEN 561 00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:05,566 I CAN FILM HER WHILE SHE'S RUNNING AND ENJOYING THE OPEN AIR. 562 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,733 RUNNING AND ENJOYING THE OPEN AIR. >> ANOTHER THEME SHE TACKLED IN 563 00:18:07,766 --> 00:18:09,000 AIR. >> ANOTHER THEME SHE TACKLED IN WADJDA IS POLYGAMY. 564 00:18:09,033 --> 00:18:09,766 >> ANOTHER THEME SHE TACKLED IN WADJDA IS POLYGAMY. >> IT IS ALLOWED MEN TO TAKE UP 565 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,566 WADJDA IS POLYGAMY. >> IT IS ALLOWED MEN TO TAKE UP TO FOUR WIVES IN THE SOCIETY. 566 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,966 >> IT IS ALLOWED MEN TO TAKE UP TO FOUR WIVES IN THE SOCIETY. SHE REFUSED TO BE A SECOND WIFE, 567 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,533 TO FOUR WIVES IN THE SOCIETY. SHE REFUSED TO BE A SECOND WIFE, AND SHE WOULD PREFER TO BE A 568 00:18:16,566 --> 00:18:17,833 SHE REFUSED TO BE A SECOND WIFE, AND SHE WOULD PREFER TO BE A SINGLE WOMAN, AND FIGHT. 569 00:18:17,866 --> 00:18:18,533 AND SHE WOULD PREFER TO BE A SINGLE WOMAN, AND FIGHT. AND IT IS HARD TO BE A SINGLE 570 00:18:18,566 --> 00:18:21,200 SINGLE WOMAN, AND FIGHT. AND IT IS HARD TO BE A SINGLE WOMAN IN SAUDI. 571 00:18:21,233 --> 00:18:23,966 AND IT IS HARD TO BE A SINGLE WOMAN IN SAUDI. YOU CANNOT GO OUT WITHOUT 572 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,566 WOMAN IN SAUDI. YOU CANNOT GO OUT WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM A MAN. 573 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:26,266 YOU CANNOT GO OUT WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM A MAN. BUT SHE'S WILLING TO BE THAT 574 00:18:26,300 --> 00:18:26,900 PERMISSION FROM A MAN. BUT SHE'S WILLING TO BE THAT INDIVIDUAL WHO FIGHTS FOR 575 00:18:26,933 --> 00:18:27,700 BUT SHE'S WILLING TO BE THAT INDIVIDUAL WHO FIGHTS FOR HERSELF. 576 00:18:27,733 --> 00:18:28,500 INDIVIDUAL WHO FIGHTS FOR HERSELF. >> DESPITE WORLDWIDE ACCLAIM, 577 00:18:28,533 --> 00:18:30,600 HERSELF. >> DESPITE WORLDWIDE ACCLAIM, WADJDA IS CONTROVERSIAL IN 578 00:18:30,633 --> 00:18:31,266 >> DESPITE WORLDWIDE ACCLAIM, WADJDA IS CONTROVERSIAL IN AL-MANSOUR'S HOME COUNTRY. 579 00:18:33,366 --> 00:18:35,066 AL-MANSOUR'S HOME COUNTRY. >> MORE TRADITIONAL PEOPLE ARE 580 00:18:35,100 --> 00:18:36,400 >> MORE TRADITIONAL PEOPLE ARE REALLY -- THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE 581 00:18:36,433 --> 00:18:37,966 >> MORE TRADITIONAL PEOPLE ARE REALLY -- THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE WOMEN MAKING A FILM OR, LIKE, 582 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:38,700 REALLY -- THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE WOMEN MAKING A FILM OR, LIKE, ABOUT EMPOWERING WOMEN AND ALL 583 00:18:38,733 --> 00:18:40,533 WOMEN MAKING A FILM OR, LIKE, ABOUT EMPOWERING WOMEN AND ALL THAT. 584 00:18:40,566 --> 00:18:41,366 ABOUT EMPOWERING WOMEN AND ALL THAT. YOU WILL ALWAYS FIND THAT 585 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,766 THAT. YOU WILL ALWAYS FIND THAT RESISTANCE. 586 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,833 YOU WILL ALWAYS FIND THAT RESISTANCE. BUT YOUNGER PEOPLE ARE REALLY 587 00:18:46,866 --> 00:18:47,766 RESISTANCE. BUT YOUNGER PEOPLE ARE REALLY HAPPY AND THEY ARE A LOT OF THEM 588 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:48,500 BUT YOUNGER PEOPLE ARE REALLY HAPPY AND THEY ARE A LOT OF THEM STUDENTS LIKE IN THE U.S. AND 589 00:18:48,533 --> 00:18:49,566 HAPPY AND THEY ARE A LOT OF THEM STUDENTS LIKE IN THE U.S. AND EVERYTHING AND THEY TAKE 590 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:50,900 STUDENTS LIKE IN THE U.S. AND EVERYTHING AND THEY TAKE PICTURES OF THE POSTER OR 591 00:18:50,933 --> 00:18:52,533 EVERYTHING AND THEY TAKE PICTURES OF THE POSTER OR WHATEVER THEY ARE PASSING, AND 592 00:18:52,566 --> 00:18:57,966 PICTURES OF THE POSTER OR WHATEVER THEY ARE PASSING, AND THEY TWEET IT 593 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,433 WHATEVER THEY ARE PASSING, AND THEY TWEET IT >> AL-MANSOUR GREW UP IN A 594 00:18:59,466 --> 00:19:00,200 THEY TWEET IT >> AL-MANSOUR GREW UP IN A MIDDLE CLASS SAUDI HOME IN A 595 00:19:00,233 --> 00:19:01,000 >> AL-MANSOUR GREW UP IN A MIDDLE CLASS SAUDI HOME IN A SMALL TOWN. 596 00:19:01,033 --> 00:19:02,366 MIDDLE CLASS SAUDI HOME IN A SMALL TOWN. ONE OF 12 CHILDREN, SHE WAS 597 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:03,400 SMALL TOWN. ONE OF 12 CHILDREN, SHE WAS ALLOWED ACCESS TO BOOKS, FILM 598 00:19:03,433 --> 00:19:06,733 ONE OF 12 CHILDREN, SHE WAS ALLOWED ACCESS TO BOOKS, FILM AND TELEVISION. 599 00:19:06,766 --> 00:19:07,833 ALLOWED ACCESS TO BOOKS, FILM AND TELEVISION. SHE SAYS SHE'S NOT TRYING TO 600 00:19:07,866 --> 00:19:08,600 AND TELEVISION. SHE SAYS SHE'S NOT TRYING TO PROVOKE OR DISRESPECT THOSE WHO 601 00:19:08,633 --> 00:19:09,466 SHE SAYS SHE'S NOT TRYING TO PROVOKE OR DISRESPECT THOSE WHO ADHERE TO A MORE CONSERVATIVE 602 00:19:09,500 --> 00:19:10,500 PROVOKE OR DISRESPECT THOSE WHO ADHERE TO A MORE CONSERVATIVE CULTURE. 603 00:19:10,533 --> 00:19:11,233 ADHERE TO A MORE CONSERVATIVE CULTURE. RATHER, SHE SIMPLY WANTS TO BE 604 00:19:11,266 --> 00:19:14,666 CULTURE. RATHER, SHE SIMPLY WANTS TO BE HEARD. 605 00:19:14,700 --> 00:19:16,400 RATHER, SHE SIMPLY WANTS TO BE HEARD. >> I WAS MORE OF TRYING TO TELL 606 00:19:16,433 --> 00:19:17,666 HEARD. >> I WAS MORE OF TRYING TO TELL THEM AN EMOTIONAL STORY, AND 607 00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:18,500 >> I WAS MORE OF TRYING TO TELL THEM AN EMOTIONAL STORY, AND TELL THEM HOW IT FEELS WHEN YOU 608 00:19:18,533 --> 00:19:20,300 THEM AN EMOTIONAL STORY, AND TELL THEM HOW IT FEELS WHEN YOU ARE A LITTLE GIRL WHO HAS THIS 609 00:19:20,333 --> 00:19:21,300 TELL THEM HOW IT FEELS WHEN YOU ARE A LITTLE GIRL WHO HAS THIS AMAZING ENERGY AND STUFF, AND 610 00:19:21,333 --> 00:19:22,433 ARE A LITTLE GIRL WHO HAS THIS AMAZING ENERGY AND STUFF, AND MAYBE YOU CANNOT DO THINGS 611 00:19:22,466 --> 00:19:23,800 AMAZING ENERGY AND STUFF, AND MAYBE YOU CANNOT DO THINGS BECAUSE YOU ARE A WOMAN, AND 612 00:19:23,833 --> 00:19:24,866 MAYBE YOU CANNOT DO THINGS BECAUSE YOU ARE A WOMAN, AND HAVE PEOPLE BELIEVE IN HER. 613 00:19:24,900 --> 00:19:27,033 BECAUSE YOU ARE A WOMAN, AND HAVE PEOPLE BELIEVE IN HER. AND MAYBE IF THEY HAVE A 614 00:19:27,066 --> 00:19:28,166 HAVE PEOPLE BELIEVE IN HER. AND MAYBE IF THEY HAVE A DAUGHTER OR LIKE A SISTER THEY 615 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:36,466 AND MAYBE IF THEY HAVE A DAUGHTER OR LIKE A SISTER THEY GIVE HER THAT SUPPORT. 616 00:19:36,500 --> 00:19:37,900 DAUGHTER OR LIKE A SISTER THEY GIVE HER THAT SUPPORT. >> THANK YOU FOR JOINING THE 617 00:19:37,933 --> 00:19:40,300 GIVE HER THAT SUPPORT. >> THANK YOU FOR JOINING THE PANEL MANAL OMAR. 618 00:19:40,333 --> 00:19:41,700 >> THANK YOU FOR JOINING THE PANEL MANAL OMAR. HOW SIGNIFICANT IS THIS IN THE 619 00:19:41,733 --> 00:19:44,700 PANEL MANAL OMAR. HOW SIGNIFICANT IS THIS IN THE WORLD OF ISLAMIC WOMEN? 620 00:19:44,733 --> 00:19:46,400 HOW SIGNIFICANT IS THIS IN THE WORLD OF ISLAMIC WOMEN? >> I CREDIBLY SIGNIFICANT. 621 00:19:46,433 --> 00:19:47,666 WORLD OF ISLAMIC WOMEN? >> I CREDIBLY SIGNIFICANT. NOT ONLY TERMS BUT FOR SAUDI 622 00:19:47,700 --> 00:19:48,800 >> I CREDIBLY SIGNIFICANT. NOT ONLY TERMS BUT FOR SAUDI ARABIA IT'S VERY SIGNIFICANT FOR 623 00:19:48,833 --> 00:19:50,766 NOT ONLY TERMS BUT FOR SAUDI ARABIA IT'S VERY SIGNIFICANT FOR THE NATION AS A WHOLE, BUT WHAT 624 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,666 ARABIA IT'S VERY SIGNIFICANT FOR THE NATION AS A WHOLE, BUT WHAT I PARTICULARLY ADMIRE IS HER 625 00:19:53,700 --> 00:19:54,666 THE NATION AS A WHOLE, BUT WHAT I PARTICULARLY ADMIRE IS HER APPROACH, NOT TRYING TO BE 626 00:19:54,700 --> 00:19:55,833 I PARTICULARLY ADMIRE IS HER APPROACH, NOT TRYING TO BE CONTROVERSIAL, SHE'S NOT TRYING 627 00:19:55,866 --> 00:19:57,400 APPROACH, NOT TRYING TO BE CONTROVERSIAL, SHE'S NOT TRYING TO MARGINALIZE, SHE'S REALLY 628 00:19:57,433 --> 00:19:58,666 CONTROVERSIAL, SHE'S NOT TRYING TO MARGINALIZE, SHE'S REALLY JUST TRYING TO BE HEARD AND 629 00:19:58,700 --> 00:20:00,100 TO MARGINALIZE, SHE'S REALLY JUST TRYING TO BE HEARD AND BRING OUT A VERY ESSENTIAL TOPIC 630 00:20:00,133 --> 00:20:00,933 JUST TRYING TO BE HEARD AND BRING OUT A VERY ESSENTIAL TOPIC THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR SAUDI 631 00:20:00,966 --> 00:20:03,133 BRING OUT A VERY ESSENTIAL TOPIC THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR SAUDI ARABIA, IMPORTANT FOR THE REGION 632 00:20:03,166 --> 00:20:05,666 THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR SAUDI ARABIA, IMPORTANT FOR THE REGION AND ISLAMIC WORLD. 633 00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:08,500 ARABIA, IMPORTANT FOR THE REGION AND ISLAMIC WORLD. SHE DOING IT QUITE GRACEFULLY. 634 00:20:08,533 --> 00:20:11,233 AND ISLAMIC WORLD. SHE DOING IT QUITE GRACEFULLY. >> TELL ME THE SIGNIFICANCE OF 635 00:20:11,266 --> 00:20:12,566 SHE DOING IT QUITE GRACEFULLY. >> TELL ME THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE SAUDI ARABIA GOVERNMENT 636 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,466 >> TELL ME THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE SAUDI ARABIA GOVERNMENT GIVING HER PERMISSION TO SHOOT 637 00:20:14,500 --> 00:20:18,400 THE SAUDI ARABIA GOVERNMENT GIVING HER PERMISSION TO SHOOT THE FILM THERE, THAT IS PRETTY 638 00:20:18,433 --> 00:20:19,733 GIVING HER PERMISSION TO SHOOT THE FILM THERE, THAT IS PRETTY WATERSHED MOMENT, TOO. 639 00:20:19,766 --> 00:20:20,300 THE FILM THERE, THAT IS PRETTY WATERSHED MOMENT, TOO. >> IT IS. 640 00:20:20,333 --> 00:20:21,966 WATERSHED MOMENT, TOO. >> IT IS. IT'S VERY GROUND BREAKING. 641 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,866 >> IT IS. IT'S VERY GROUND BREAKING. NOT ONLY FOR WOMEN BUT I THINK 642 00:20:23,900 --> 00:20:26,400 IT'S VERY GROUND BREAKING. NOT ONLY FOR WOMEN BUT I THINK FOR ALL SAUDI -- IN THE WORLD OF 643 00:20:26,433 --> 00:20:27,433 NOT ONLY FOR WOMEN BUT I THINK FOR ALL SAUDI -- IN THE WORLD OF ART AND FILM MAKING. 644 00:20:27,466 --> 00:20:31,200 FOR ALL SAUDI -- IN THE WORLD OF ART AND FILM MAKING. IT TAKES TO THE POINT OF WHY SHE 645 00:20:31,233 --> 00:20:32,233 ART AND FILM MAKING. IT TAKES TO THE POINT OF WHY SHE HANDLE THE IT GRACEFULLY. 646 00:20:32,266 --> 00:20:34,533 IT TAKES TO THE POINT OF WHY SHE HANDLE THE IT GRACEFULLY. IT MEANS THAT IT WON'T BE BANNED 647 00:20:34,566 --> 00:20:36,900 HANDLE THE IT GRACEFULLY. IT MEANS THAT IT WON'T BE BANNED INSIDE ARABIA, IT IS VERY 648 00:20:36,933 --> 00:20:38,733 IT MEANS THAT IT WON'T BE BANNED INSIDE ARABIA, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE VIEWING TO 649 00:20:38,766 --> 00:20:39,466 INSIDE ARABIA, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE VIEWING TO INITIATE CONVERSATION. 650 00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:40,700 IMPORTANT TO HAVE VIEWING TO INITIATE CONVERSATION. ALSO REALLY BRINGS A VERY 651 00:20:40,733 --> 00:20:42,566 INITIATE CONVERSATION. ALSO REALLY BRINGS A VERY CRUCIAL ELEMENT WHICH IS THAT 652 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:43,900 ALSO REALLY BRINGS A VERY CRUCIAL ELEMENT WHICH IS THAT WOMEN'S RIGHTS IN CIVIL SOCIETY 653 00:20:43,933 --> 00:20:45,133 CRUCIAL ELEMENT WHICH IS THAT WOMEN'S RIGHTS IN CIVIL SOCIETY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 654 00:20:45,166 --> 00:20:45,600 WOMEN'S RIGHTS IN CIVIL SOCIETY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ANTI-GOVERNMENT. 655 00:20:45,633 --> 00:20:47,166 DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ANTI-GOVERNMENT. YOU CAN WORK WITH GOVERNMENT TO 656 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,533 ANTI-GOVERNMENT. YOU CAN WORK WITH GOVERNMENT TO HAVE INCREMENTAL CHANGE WHICH I 657 00:20:48,566 --> 00:20:50,033 YOU CAN WORK WITH GOVERNMENT TO HAVE INCREMENTAL CHANGE WHICH I THINK IS MOST IMPORTANT THING 658 00:20:50,066 --> 00:20:51,666 HAVE INCREMENTAL CHANGE WHICH I THINK IS MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR WOMEN THROUGHOUT THE ISLAMIC 659 00:20:51,700 --> 00:20:51,966 THINK IS MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR WOMEN THROUGHOUT THE ISLAMIC WORLD. 660 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,533 FOR WOMEN THROUGHOUT THE ISLAMIC WORLD. >> AND SINCE THEY DON'T HAVE 661 00:20:53,566 --> 00:20:54,866 WORLD. >> AND SINCE THEY DON'T HAVE MOVIE THEATERS IN SAUDI ARABIA 662 00:20:54,900 --> 00:20:56,833 >> AND SINCE THEY DON'T HAVE MOVIE THEATERS IN SAUDI ARABIA HOW ARE WOMEN GOING TO SEE THIS 663 00:20:56,866 --> 00:20:57,133 MOVIE THEATERS IN SAUDI ARABIA HOW ARE WOMEN GOING TO SEE THIS FILM? 664 00:20:57,166 --> 00:20:57,933 HOW ARE WOMEN GOING TO SEE THIS FILM? >> I THAT I ONE OF THE THINGS 665 00:20:57,966 --> 00:20:59,300 FILM? >> I THAT I ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN 666 00:20:59,333 --> 00:21:00,866 >> I THAT I ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN HE DID TRAIN INK SAUDI ARABIA 667 00:21:00,900 --> 00:21:02,466 THAT I DID A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN HE DID TRAIN INK SAUDI ARABIA WAS SURPRISED AT THE LEVEL OF 668 00:21:02,500 --> 00:21:03,900 HE DID TRAIN INK SAUDI ARABIA WAS SURPRISED AT THE LEVEL OF EDUCATION AND THE LEVEL OF 669 00:21:03,933 --> 00:21:04,966 WAS SURPRISED AT THE LEVEL OF EDUCATION AND THE LEVEL OF LEADERSHIP THAT SAUDI WOMEN 670 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:05,266 EDUCATION AND THE LEVEL OF LEADERSHIP THAT SAUDI WOMEN HAVE. 671 00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:06,633 LEADERSHIP THAT SAUDI WOMEN HAVE. IT'S NO LONGER YOUR 672 00:21:06,666 --> 00:21:07,200 HAVE. IT'S NO LONGER YOUR GRANDMOTHER'S GULF. 673 00:21:07,233 --> 00:21:08,766 IT'S NO LONGER YOUR GRANDMOTHER'S GULF. I THINK THAT YOU WILL SEE 674 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,300 GRANDMOTHER'S GULF. I THINK THAT YOU WILL SEE PRIVATE VIEWINGS, YOU'LL HAVE 675 00:21:11,333 --> 00:21:12,800 I THINK THAT YOU WILL SEE PRIVATE VIEWINGS, YOU'LL HAVE DISCUSSIONS, SAUDI WOMEN AS SHE 676 00:21:12,833 --> 00:21:13,900 PRIVATE VIEWINGS, YOU'LL HAVE DISCUSSIONS, SAUDI WOMEN AS SHE SAID VERY IN TOUCH WITH SOCIAL 677 00:21:13,933 --> 00:21:15,500 DISCUSSIONS, SAUDI WOMEN AS SHE SAID VERY IN TOUCH WITH SOCIAL HEED I CAN'T IT WILL BE A HUGE 678 00:21:15,533 --> 00:21:18,166 SAID VERY IN TOUCH WITH SOCIAL HEED I CAN'T IT WILL BE A HUGE PUSH OUT FOR MORE OF THE LOCAL 679 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,000 HEED I CAN'T IT WILL BE A HUGE PUSH OUT FOR MORE OF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY ORGANIZING STANDPOINT. 680 00:21:20,033 --> 00:21:22,666 PUSH OUT FOR MORE OF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY ORGANIZING STANDPOINT. >> WE'VE SEEN SOME GRADUAL 681 00:21:22,700 --> 00:21:24,933 COMMUNITY ORGANIZING STANDPOINT. >> WE'VE SEEN SOME GRADUAL RELAXATIONS IN SAUDI ARABIA, 682 00:21:24,966 --> 00:21:28,400 >> WE'VE SEEN SOME GRADUAL RELAXATIONS IN SAUDI ARABIA, WOMEN ELECTED TO WHATEVER 683 00:21:28,433 --> 00:21:30,233 RELAXATIONS IN SAUDI ARABIA, WOMEN ELECTED TO WHATEVER COUNCIL THERE IS, I WONDER IF 684 00:21:30,266 --> 00:21:33,600 WOMEN ELECTED TO WHATEVER COUNCIL THERE IS, I WONDER IF THIS IS THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT 685 00:21:33,633 --> 00:21:39,000 COUNCIL THERE IS, I WONDER IF THIS IS THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT SEEING THIS AS PART OF ITS 686 00:21:39,033 --> 00:21:40,433 THIS IS THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT SEEING THIS AS PART OF ITS CONTINUUM JUST ENOUGH BUT NOT 687 00:21:40,466 --> 00:21:42,100 SEEING THIS AS PART OF ITS CONTINUUM JUST ENOUGH BUT NOT TOO MUCH AND HER DELICATE 688 00:21:42,133 --> 00:21:44,766 CONTINUUM JUST ENOUGH BUT NOT TOO MUCH AND HER DELICATE HANDLING OF IT IN KEEPING WITH 689 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:45,233 TOO MUCH AND HER DELICATE HANDLING OF IT IN KEEPING WITH THAT. 690 00:21:45,266 --> 00:21:46,833 HANDLING OF IT IN KEEPING WITH THAT. >> THE INDEPENDENT WOMEN'S FORUM 691 00:21:46,866 --> 00:21:48,100 THAT. >> THE INDEPENDENT WOMEN'S FORUM WHICH YOU ARE A MEMBER OF HAS 692 00:21:48,133 --> 00:21:50,066 >> THE INDEPENDENT WOMEN'S FORUM WHICH YOU ARE A MEMBER OF HAS DONE A LOT TO WORK WITH ISLAMIC 693 00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:50,366 WHICH YOU ARE A MEMBER OF HAS DONE A LOT TO WORK WITH ISLAMIC WOMEN. 694 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,933 DONE A LOT TO WORK WITH ISLAMIC WOMEN. WHAT'S THE REACTION FROM 695 00:21:52,966 --> 00:21:53,600 WOMEN. WHAT'S THE REACTION FROM CONSERVATIVE WOMEN? 696 00:21:53,633 --> 00:21:55,100 WHAT'S THE REACTION FROM CONSERVATIVE WOMEN? >> I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS 697 00:21:55,133 --> 00:21:55,400 CONSERVATIVE WOMEN? >> I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS FILM. 698 00:21:55,433 --> 00:21:57,400 >> I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS FILM. I HOPE THAT IT HAS IMPLICATIONS 699 00:21:57,433 --> 00:21:58,333 FILM. I HOPE THAT IT HAS IMPLICATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES AS WELL. 700 00:21:58,366 --> 00:21:59,866 I HOPE THAT IT HAS IMPLICATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES AS WELL. I HOPE THAT MANY AMERICANS GET A 701 00:21:59,900 --> 00:22:01,666 IN THE UNITED STATES AS WELL. I HOPE THAT MANY AMERICANS GET A CHANCE TO SEE THIS FILM FOR 702 00:22:01,700 --> 00:22:02,966 I HOPE THAT MANY AMERICANS GET A CHANCE TO SEE THIS FILM FOR SEVERAL REASONS. 703 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,800 CHANCE TO SEE THIS FILM FOR SEVERAL REASONS. ONE I THINK IT'S A REFRESHING 704 00:22:06,833 --> 00:22:07,733 SEVERAL REASONS. ONE I THINK IT'S A REFRESHING PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THE WORLD AND 705 00:22:07,766 --> 00:22:09,533 ONE I THINK IT'S A REFRESHING PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THE WORLD AND THE PLIGHT OF WOMEN IN OTHER 706 00:22:09,566 --> 00:22:11,133 PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THE WORLD AND THE PLIGHT OF WOMEN IN OTHER COUNTRIES AND IT HELPS US TO 707 00:22:11,166 --> 00:22:12,200 THE PLIGHT OF WOMEN IN OTHER COUNTRIES AND IT HELPS US TO RECOGNIZE HOW BLESSED WE ARE TO 708 00:22:12,233 --> 00:22:13,400 COUNTRIES AND IT HELPS US TO RECOGNIZE HOW BLESSED WE ARE TO BE AMERICAN WOMEN. 709 00:22:13,433 --> 00:22:15,566 RECOGNIZE HOW BLESSED WE ARE TO BE AMERICAN WOMEN. AND SECONDLY, ALSO IMPORTANT, 710 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:16,866 BE AMERICAN WOMEN. AND SECONDLY, ALSO IMPORTANT, THE MAKERS OF THIS FILM WE HAVE 711 00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:18,666 AND SECONDLY, ALSO IMPORTANT, THE MAKERS OF THIS FILM WE HAVE A LOT TO LEARN FROM THEM. 712 00:22:18,700 --> 00:22:19,800 THE MAKERS OF THIS FILM WE HAVE A LOT TO LEARN FROM THEM. AS AMERICAN WOMEN. 713 00:22:19,833 --> 00:22:21,533 A LOT TO LEARN FROM THEM. AS AMERICAN WOMEN. BECAUSE AS YOU HEARD IN THE 714 00:22:21,566 --> 00:22:23,200 AS AMERICAN WOMEN. BECAUSE AS YOU HEARD IN THE INTERVIEW THE DIRECTOR SAYS 715 00:22:23,233 --> 00:22:24,466 BECAUSE AS YOU HEARD IN THE INTERVIEW THE DIRECTOR SAYS VICTIM HOOD MENTALITY DON'T 716 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:28,333 INTERVIEW THE DIRECTOR SAYS VICTIM HOOD MENTALITY DON'T ADVANCE WOMEN. 717 00:22:28,366 --> 00:22:29,900 VICTIM HOOD MENTALITY DON'T ADVANCE WOMEN. >> I THINK IT'S INSPIRATION 718 00:22:29,933 --> 00:22:33,800 ADVANCE WOMEN. >> I THINK IT'S INSPIRATION TALL, THE FILM MAKER HERSELF IS 719 00:22:33,833 --> 00:22:34,600 >> I THINK IT'S INSPIRATION TALL, THE FILM MAKER HERSELF IS ALSO INSTAR OPERATIONAL. 720 00:22:34,633 --> 00:22:36,466 TALL, THE FILM MAKER HERSELF IS ALSO INSTAR OPERATIONAL. THERE ARE DEEPER TRUTHS. 721 00:22:36,500 --> 00:22:38,400 ALSO INSTAR OPERATIONAL. THERE ARE DEEPER TRUTHS. EVERY SINGLE TIME A WOMAN TAKES 722 00:22:38,433 --> 00:22:39,966 THERE ARE DEEPER TRUTHS. EVERY SINGLE TIME A WOMAN TAKES A DEEP BREATH AND TELLS A STORY 723 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,766 EVERY SINGLE TIME A WOMAN TAKES A DEEP BREATH AND TELLS A STORY OF WOMEN LIKE HER, I BELIEVE 724 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,766 A DEEP BREATH AND TELLS A STORY OF WOMEN LIKE HER, I BELIEVE THAT HAS RADICAL POWER TO 725 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:44,566 OF WOMEN LIKE HER, I BELIEVE THAT HAS RADICAL POWER TO ADVANCE SOCIETY. 726 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:45,700 THAT HAS RADICAL POWER TO ADVANCE SOCIETY. THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH 727 00:22:45,733 --> 00:22:46,566 ADVANCE SOCIETY. THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THIS FILM. 728 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:47,266 THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THIS FILM. IT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL. 729 00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:50,033 THIS FILM. IT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL. >> YOU'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE 730 00:22:50,066 --> 00:22:51,466 IT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL. >> YOU'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN WOMEN'S MOVEMENT YOUR 731 00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:54,200 >> YOU'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN WOMEN'S MOVEMENT YOUR WHOLE CAREER AND YOU WORKED IT, 732 00:22:54,233 --> 00:22:56,266 AMERICAN WOMEN'S MOVEMENT YOUR WHOLE CAREER AND YOU WORKED IT, THE AMERICAN WOMEN'S MOVEMENT 733 00:22:56,300 --> 00:22:58,033 WHOLE CAREER AND YOU WORKED IT, THE AMERICAN WOMEN'S MOVEMENT WAS LOT MORE OPEN, IN YOUR FACE, 734 00:22:58,066 --> 00:23:01,200 THE AMERICAN WOMEN'S MOVEMENT WAS LOT MORE OPEN, IN YOUR FACE, IN THE '60S AND '70s, BRA 735 00:23:01,233 --> 00:23:01,566 WAS LOT MORE OPEN, IN YOUR FACE, IN THE '60S AND '70s, BRA BURNING. 736 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,533 IN THE '60S AND '70s, BRA BURNING. BUT ARE THERE PARALLELS BETWEEN 737 00:23:03,566 --> 00:23:04,966 BURNING. BUT ARE THERE PARALLELS BETWEEN OUR WOMEN'S MOVEMENT AND 738 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:05,300 BUT ARE THERE PARALLELS BETWEEN OUR WOMEN'S MOVEMENT AND THEIR'S? 739 00:23:05,333 --> 00:23:06,366 OUR WOMEN'S MOVEMENT AND THEIR'S? >> I BELIEVE THERE ARE. 740 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,266 THEIR'S? >> I BELIEVE THERE ARE. IN FACT IT GOES BACK TO THAT 741 00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:09,600 >> I BELIEVE THERE ARE. IN FACT IT GOES BACK TO THAT TRUTH OF TELLING YOUR STORY 742 00:23:09,633 --> 00:23:12,233 IN FACT IT GOES BACK TO THAT TRUTH OF TELLING YOUR STORY WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT HAS 743 00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:13,600 TRUTH OF TELLING YOUR STORY WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED WITH MAYBE SOME MORE 744 00:23:13,633 --> 00:23:15,000 WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED WITH MAYBE SOME MORE CONTROVERSIAL FEMINIST FROM THE 745 00:23:15,033 --> 00:23:15,500 HAPPENED WITH MAYBE SOME MORE CONTROVERSIAL FEMINIST FROM THE PAST. 746 00:23:15,533 --> 00:23:17,133 CONTROVERSIAL FEMINIST FROM THE PAST. THERE WAS ALSO ONE, IS THAT 747 00:23:17,166 --> 00:23:18,766 PAST. THERE WAS ALSO ONE, IS THAT DIDN'T TAKE THAT CONFRONTATION 748 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:19,533 THERE WAS ALSO ONE, IS THAT DIDN'T TAKE THAT CONFRONTATION TALL APPROACH JUST LIKE TODAY 749 00:23:19,566 --> 00:23:21,066 DIDN'T TAKE THAT CONFRONTATION TALL APPROACH JUST LIKE TODAY THERE ARE FEMINIST WHO TAKE A 750 00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:21,966 TALL APPROACH JUST LIKE TODAY THERE ARE FEMINIST WHO TAKE A VERY CONTROVERSIAL APPROACH 751 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,200 THERE ARE FEMINIST WHO TAKE A VERY CONTROVERSIAL APPROACH THERE ARE MANY OF US WHO JUST 752 00:23:24,233 --> 00:23:25,400 VERY CONTROVERSIAL APPROACH THERE ARE MANY OF US WHO JUST SIMPLY ARE SHARING OUR STORIES 753 00:23:25,433 --> 00:23:27,133 THERE ARE MANY OF US WHO JUST SIMPLY ARE SHARING OUR STORIES AND PUSHING FOR CHANGE. 754 00:23:27,166 --> 00:23:32,966 SIMPLY ARE SHARING OUR STORIES AND PUSHING FOR CHANGE. >> BUT I THINK THAT -- EACH IS 755 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,933 AND PUSHING FOR CHANGE. >> BUT I THINK THAT -- EACH IS EMERGING IN THE CONTEXT OF OWN 756 00:23:34,966 --> 00:23:36,266 >> BUT I THINK THAT -- EACH IS EMERGING IN THE CONTEXT OF OWN CULTURE AND WHAT WORKS BEST. 757 00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:38,233 EMERGING IN THE CONTEXT OF OWN CULTURE AND WHAT WORKS BEST. I THINK THAT THE APPROACH THAT 758 00:23:38,266 --> 00:23:42,133 CULTURE AND WHAT WORKS BEST. I THINK THAT THE APPROACH THAT AMERICAN WOMEN TOOK IN THE '60S 759 00:23:42,166 --> 00:23:44,333 I THINK THAT THE APPROACH THAT AMERICAN WOMEN TOOK IN THE '60S WERE DIRECTLY WITH OUR CULTURE. 760 00:23:44,366 --> 00:23:46,600 AMERICAN WOMEN TOOK IN THE '60S WERE DIRECTLY WITH OUR CULTURE. JUST AS WHAT HAPPENED IN SAUDI 761 00:23:46,633 --> 00:23:48,300 WERE DIRECTLY WITH OUR CULTURE. JUST AS WHAT HAPPENED IN SAUDI ARABIA MATCHES HOW WOMEN WILL 762 00:23:48,333 --> 00:23:51,633 JUST AS WHAT HAPPENED IN SAUDI ARABIA MATCHES HOW WOMEN WILL GRADUALLY GET THEIR FREEDOM 763 00:23:51,666 --> 00:23:52,500 ARABIA MATCHES HOW WOMEN WILL GRADUALLY GET THEIR FREEDOM THERE. 764 00:23:52,533 --> 00:23:53,800 GRADUALLY GET THEIR FREEDOM THERE. >> UNDERSTAND THAT THIS CURRENT 765 00:23:53,833 --> 00:23:58,100 THERE. >> UNDERSTAND THAT THIS CURRENT KING OF SAUDI ARABIA IS VERY 766 00:23:58,133 --> 00:24:00,533 >> UNDERSTAND THAT THIS CURRENT KING OF SAUDI ARABIA IS VERY SYMPATHETIC FROM THAT CULTURAL 767 00:24:00,566 --> 00:24:01,533 KING OF SAUDI ARABIA IS VERY SYMPATHETIC FROM THAT CULTURAL PERSPECTIVE BUT ALSO VERY OLD 768 00:24:01,566 --> 00:24:04,800 SYMPATHETIC FROM THAT CULTURAL PERSPECTIVE BUT ALSO VERY OLD AND A LOT OF WOMEN LEADERS, 769 00:24:04,833 --> 00:24:06,166 PERSPECTIVE BUT ALSO VERY OLD AND A LOT OF WOMEN LEADERS, ISLAMIC FEMINISTS ARE WORRIED 770 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,466 AND A LOT OF WOMEN LEADERS, ISLAMIC FEMINISTS ARE WORRIED ABOUT WHETHER IS GOING TO HAPPEN 771 00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:08,266 ISLAMIC FEMINISTS ARE WORRIED ABOUT WHETHER IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN HE PASSES. 772 00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:09,200 ABOUT WHETHER IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN HE PASSES. TELL US ABOUT THAT. 773 00:24:09,233 --> 00:24:10,533 WHEN HE PASSES. TELL US ABOUT THAT. >> I THINK THAT'S TRUE. 774 00:24:10,566 --> 00:24:12,500 TELL US ABOUT THAT. >> I THINK THAT'S TRUE. ONE THING IS, THE SAUDI WOMEN 775 00:24:12,533 --> 00:24:13,766 >> I THINK THAT'S TRUE. ONE THING IS, THE SAUDI WOMEN HAVE BEEN IN CREDIT IN BELOW 776 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,166 ONE THING IS, THE SAUDI WOMEN HAVE BEEN IN CREDIT IN BELOW BOLD, LET'S NOT FORGET THE 777 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,033 HAVE BEEN IN CREDIT IN BELOW BOLD, LET'S NOT FORGET THE PROTESTS WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN 778 00:24:16,066 --> 00:24:17,400 BOLD, LET'S NOT FORGET THE PROTESTS WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN DRIVING IN PUBLIC WHICH MAY NOT 779 00:24:17,433 --> 00:24:21,200 PROTESTS WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN DRIVING IN PUBLIC WHICH MAY NOT SEEM LIKE A BIG DEAL, BUT THERE 780 00:24:21,233 --> 00:24:22,833 DRIVING IN PUBLIC WHICH MAY NOT SEEM LIKE A BIG DEAL, BUT THERE IS VERY VOCAL AND BOLD HOOCH. 781 00:24:22,866 --> 00:24:24,866 SEEM LIKE A BIG DEAL, BUT THERE IS VERY VOCAL AND BOLD HOOCH. A MULTI-DIRECTIONAL APPROACH IS 782 00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:26,900 IS VERY VOCAL AND BOLD HOOCH. A MULTI-DIRECTIONAL APPROACH IS VERY IMPORTANT IT COMPLIMENTS 783 00:24:26,933 --> 00:24:28,966 A MULTI-DIRECTIONAL APPROACH IS VERY IMPORTANT IT COMPLIMENTS OTHER APPROACHES WHICH MAY NOT 784 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,366 VERY IMPORTANT IT COMPLIMENTS OTHER APPROACHES WHICH MAY NOT BE AS CONTROVERSIAL. 785 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:31,666 OTHER APPROACHES WHICH MAY NOT BE AS CONTROVERSIAL. I THINK THAT IMPORTANCE IS THE 786 00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:34,366 BE AS CONTROVERSIAL. I THINK THAT IMPORTANCE IS THE GRASS ROOTS SO THAT SUPPORT THAT 787 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,500 I THINK THAT IMPORTANCE IS THE GRASS ROOTS SO THAT SUPPORT THAT IS INITIATED BY THE KING WILL BE 788 00:24:36,533 --> 00:24:37,466 GRASS ROOTS SO THAT SUPPORT THAT IS INITIATED BY THE KING WILL BE MORE LONG LASTING THE PEOPLE ON 789 00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:40,666 IS INITIATED BY THE KING WILL BE MORE LONG LASTING THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND BELIEVE IN IT. 790 00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:44,800 MORE LONG LASTING THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND BELIEVE IN IT. >> THANK YOU. 791 00:24:44,833 --> 00:24:45,533 THE GROUND BELIEVE IN IT. >> THANK YOU. THAT'S IT FOR THIS EDITION OF 792 00:24:45,566 --> 00:24:46,066 >> THANK YOU. THAT'S IT FOR THIS EDITION OF "TO THE CONTRARY." 793 00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:46,733 THAT'S IT FOR THIS EDITION OF "TO THE CONTRARY." PLEASE FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER 794 00:24:46,766 --> 00:24:47,466 "TO THE CONTRARY." 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