THIS WEEK ON TO THE CONTRARY.•• FIRST, MOTHERS ON THE FRONT LINES FIGHTING TERRORISM.
THEN, RELIGION, CONTRACEPTION AND OBAMACARE BACK AT THE SUPREME COURT.
BEHIND THE HEADLINES: THE POWER OF SINGLE WOMEN.
[♪♪♪] HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.
WELCOME TO TO THE CONTRARY, A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.
UP FIRST, THE WAR ON TERROR.
THIS WEEK'S TERROR ATTACKS IN BRUSSELS SPURRED AGONY, STEPPED UP SECURITY, WARNINGS FROM THE STATE DEPARTMENT TELLING AMERICANS NOT TO TRAVEL TO EUROPE AND CALLS FOR LIMITING ISLAMIC IMMIGRATION.
BUT THERE IS ONE SMALL GROUP OF MOTHERS IN EUROPE TRYING TO CLOSE THE RIFT BETWEEN ISLAM AND WESTERN CULTURE IN OTHER WAYS.
THE VIENNESE-BASED GROUP WOMEN WITHOUT BORDERS WAS IN BELGIUM FOR A GRADUATION CEREMONY FOR ISLAMIC MOTHERS WHO FINISHED ITS COURSE CALLED MOTHERS SCHOOL AGAINST EXTREMISM---THAT, WHEN THE ATTACKS OCCURRED.
THE GROUP TEACHES MOTHERS TO RECOGNIZE AND RESPOND TO EARLY WARNING SIGNS OF RADICALIZATION AND VIOLENT EXTREMISM IN THEIR CHILDREN.
FOUNDER EDIT SCHLAFFER WROTE FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES, "THE SHARPEST MISSILES ARE THE MOTHERS WHO SPEAK, THE YOUTH WHO DEFY THE LABELS PLACED ON THEM.
THEY CAN BE A NEW ARMY WITHOUT WEAPONS, BUT WORDS."
HOW REALISTIC IS THIS AS A WEAPON AGAINST VIOLENT EXTREMISM?
>> IT'S VERY, VERY, REALISTIC AND IMPORTANT BECAUSE MOTHERS ARE THE EARLY DETECT SHOP SIGNS THEY SEE THE SIPES BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE THE TOOLS TO FIGHT IT.
THIS ACTIVITY IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.
>> I ABSOLUTELY AGREE.
WHO IS CLOSER TO THEIR CHILDREN THAN THE MOTHER?
WE SEE THIS IN OTHER SITUATIONS AROUND AMERICA WITH ITS OWN PROBLEMS.
YOU KNOW, YOU START TO LOOK TO THE PARENTS WHAT KIND OF SIGNS DID THEY MISS.
TEACHING PEOPLE AHEAD OF TIME WHAT SIPES THOSE ARE IS A GREAT -- SIGNS THOSE ARE IS A GREAT TOOL.
>> THE STRUGGLE AGAINST EXTREMISM CANNOT GET MILITARY.
AIR STRIKES CAN ONLY GO SO FAR TO DEFEAT RADICAL IDEOLOGY WE NEED TO EMPOWER WOMEN.
>> THE BEST WAY TO GET TO THE ROOT OF EXTREMISM IS AT THE KITCHEN TABLE AND THE MOTHERS ARE AT THE CENTER OF THE CONVERSATION.
>> ISIS HAS BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL IN RECRUITING THEY HAVE, WHAT, AN ARMY OF 60,000 AND THEY HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE BACK FROM EUROPE, BACK TO EUROPE FROM SYRIA WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN TRAINED TO CARRY OUT THE BRUSSELS AND THE PARIS ATTACKS.
SO THIS IS A VERY -- THIS IS NOT A WELL FUNDED ORGANIZATION.
HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT DO YOU REALLY THINK IT CAN HAVE?
>> IT'S PLANTING THE SEED OF THE IMPORTANCE OF CATCHING IT EARLY.
IN ADDITION TO ISIS BEING SUCCESSFUL IN RECRUITMENT WE KNOW THEY ARE RECRUITING EARLY AND STARTING AS YOUNG AS 6, 7, GOING TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS NOT WAITING FOR THE PRIMARY SCHOOL WHAT USED TO BE THEIR TARGET AUDIENCE.
MOTHERS NEED TO BE PREPARED.
I'VE WORKED WITH THE ORGANIZATION AND EDIT AND HAVE SEEN THE IMPACT ON THE GROUND.
IF IT HAD MORE FUNDING IT IS A MODEL THAT IS REPUBLICABLE AND COULD BE EXPANDED.
>> CURIOUS ABOUT THE WOMEN WHO ARE ALLOWED BY THE HUSBANDS TO SIGN UP FOR THE COURSE.
A LOT OF ISLAMIC WOMEN THEY HAVE NO FREEDOM.
THEY COULD NOT GET THEIR HUSBAND'S PERMISSION TO JOIN UP FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
AND MOST CASES WHEN YOU DO THE PROGRAMS IF YOU CALL IT A DERADICALLIZATION PROGRAM YOU WILL HAVE LITTLE INTEREST.
WOMEN WILL NOT WANT TO ATTEND BUT WHEN IT IS A LEADERSHIP PROGRAM AND FACTORS INTO THE ELEMENTS INTO PARENTING SKILLS OR MAKING SURE THAT YOUR CHILD IS SAFE AND YOU WILL HAVE HIGH ATTENDANCE BUT IF YOU ARE FRAMING IT AS DERADICALLIZATION IT'S DIFFICULT TO BRING PEOPLE ONBOARD.
>> WHAT IS FASCINATING IS THE FACT THERE WAS A "NEW YORK TIMES" STORY ABOUT SINCE 9/11 LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF ATTACKS ACROSS THE WESTERN WORLD AND ACKNOWLEDGING THE FACT MANY ARE PERPETUATED BY SIBLINGS, BROTHERS AND THE FAMILY BEING AT THE ROOT OF THIS WHERE IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO BREAK UP RADICALIZATION BY BEING IN THE SAME ENVIRONMENT MAYBE WE SLOW THE RATE OF RECRUITMENT FOR ISIS.
>> AND PART THAT THE U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT HAS PUT FUNDING INTO GROUPS LIKE WOMEN WITHOUT BORDERS, AND JUST LAST YEAR THE U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION MAKING THE EMPOWERMENT OF WOMEN CENTRAL TO ITS COUNTERTERRORISM STRATEGY.
I'M HEARTENED BY THE DEVELOPMENTS WE ARE TRENDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
>> IT IS A GOOD FIRST STEP AFTER YOU GET THE MOTHERS INVOLVED INTO RECOGNIZING THEY CAN GO TO THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILY MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND EXPAND THIS TO TEACHERS, SAY, SO THAT IT BECOMES A COMMUNITY EFFORT TO RECOGNIZE THESE PROBLEMS IN ORDER TO PREVENT TERRORISM RATHER THAN JUST RESPOND TO IT.
>> YOU KNOW, I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE AFTER THE LOS ANGELES, THE CALIFORNIA TERRORIST ATTACK, I WAS TALKING TO A PROMINENT MUSLIM WOMAN WE KNOW WELL.
AND I SAID HOW IS IT THAT THE FAMILIES DID NOT SEE -- THEY GO ON TV, THE PEOPLE IN THE SAME MOSQUE GO ON TV AND SAY I HAD NO IDEA THIS WAS GOING ON.
AND SHE SAID A LOT OF THEM LIE THEY KNOW.
I'M WONDERING HOW PENETRATABLE THE WORLD IS THAT THE MOTHERS OF KIDS WHO ARE BEING TAKEN AT 8 AND HAVING MACHINE GUNS -- HOW CAN YOU GET TO THEM?
>> I MEAN ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER FORM OF EXTREMISM.
YOU REMEMBER THE INTERVIEWS WITH THE MASS MURDERERS AND ALL THE FAMILY WAS LIKE WE DID NOT RECOGNIZE.
WITH HIND SIGHT YOU SEE PATTERNS.
PEOPLE DO NOT RECOGNIZE AND IT'S PART OF ISIS TRAINING.
THEY UNDERSTAND WHATEVER STRATEGY WE HAVE TO COUNTER ISIS THEY ARE COUNTERING.
PART OF THEIR TRAINING IS DO NOT TELL YOUR PARENTS AND START LOOK MORE LIBERAL.
CUTOFF YOUR BEARD AND TAKE OFF YOUR SCARF.
THEY ARE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO ASSIMILATE MORE AND MORE AS PART OF THE WAY OF COUNTERING WHATEVER WE ARE DOING TO COUNTER THEIR MESSAGE.
>> WHAT DO WE DO TO THAT?
>> THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE WE HAVE -- IS WORRY CONSISTENTLY IN REACTION MODE.
>> I'M CURIOUS.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE ALL SEEN PICTURINGS OF YOUNG WOMEN IN BIKINIS THAT BECAME RECRUITS FOR ISIS AND GOING AROUND IN THE ALL YOU CAN SEE IS THEIR EYES AND BARELY THAT.
HOW IS IT THAT THEY ARE TELLING -- ARE THEY ALLOWING THE WOMEN WHO FOR EXAMPLE, THE MOTHERS WHO ARE FAMILIES OF RECRUITS BUT ARE STILL LIVING IN BRUSSELS OR PARIS ARE THEY TELLING THEM TO GO TO THE BEACH AND WEAR BIKINIS?
>> THEY ARE TELLING THEM I CANNOT SAY SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY ARE TELLING BUT THE MESSAGING IS WE ARE STRATEGIC AND WANT TO HAVE ACCESS AND THINKING ABOUT DIFFERENT WAYS TO DEVELOP THE ACCESS.
AND WOMEN, THE RECRUIT MANY OF WOMEN BECAUSE IT IS NOT ON THE HIGH LEVEL OF THREAT IS PART OF THAT STRATEGY.
>> AND IT IS NOT ACCIDENTAL.
>> ARE WE DOING ENOUGH?
IS YOUR GROUP YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH THE GROUP WE MENTIONED.
>> YES.
>> ARE WE DOING ENOUGH ON-LINE AND THINKING ENOUGH STRATEGICALLY THE WAY THEY ARE?
>> WE ARE NOWHERE CLOSE.
WHAT I SAY IT'S LIKE YOU ARE OFFERING CHILDREN YOU CAN PLAY CALL OF DUTY OR HERE IS ATARI THAT IS THE COMPARISON BETWEEN ISIS AND WHAT WE ARE OFFERING THEM.
THERE IS AN ORGANIZATION PEACE TECH AND THEY HAVE TURNED TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO GOOGLE AND Facebook AND PLACES SAYING WHAT CAN WE DO BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE IS VERY SLOW IN RESPONSE.
>> ALL RIGHT.
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FROM TERRORISM TO ZUBIK V. BURWELL THE SUPREME COURT HEARD ARGUMENTS THIS WEEK ON A MAJOR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY CASE.
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE OBAMACARE BIRTH CONTROL MANDATE VIOLATES THE RELIGIOUS RIGHTS OF RELIGIOUS EMPLOYERS.
THE LAW REQUIRES EMPLOYERS' INSURANCE PLANS TO PROVIDE FREE BIRTH CONTROL.
IT EXEMPTS HOUSES OF WORSHIP SUCH AS CHURCHES, BUT NOT OTHER RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE CATHOLIC AND HOSPITALS CHALLENGING THE LAW.
THE COURT LAST REVIEWED THE CONTRACEPTIVES REQUIREMENT TWO YEARS AGO IN THE HOBBY LOBBY CASE.
FIVE JUSTICES FOUND THE GOVERNMENT COULDN'T FORCE OWNERS OF CLOSELY HELD COMPANIES TO VIOLATE THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS BY PROVIDING BIRTH CONTROL COVERAGE FOR EMPLOYEES.
NOW, THE COURT IS CONSIDERING WHETHER THE COVERAGE MANDATE, WHICH COMES WITH MASSIVE FINES FOR NONCOMPLIANCE, VIOLATES THE BELIEFS OF INSTITUTIONS WITH RELIGIOUS TIES.
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>> THE FATE OF THE LITTLE SISTERS IS THE FATE OF AMERICANS, PARTICULARLY AMERICANS THAT BELIEVE ADHERE TO MINORITY BELIEFS.
THAT IS WHY, THAT IS WHY GROUPS REPRESENTING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MINORITY RELIGIONS HAVE WRITTEN TO THE COURT AND ASKED THE COURT TO SUPPORT THE LITTLE SISTERS AND RULE IN THEIR FAVOR.
>> THE REALITY IS THAT CATHOLIC AND MAJORITIES DISAGREE WITH THE HIERARCHY OF OUR CHURCH WHEN IT COMES TO REPRODUCTIVE HEALTHCARE.
>> 99% OF SEXUALLY ACTIVE CATHOLIC WOMEN HAVE USED CONTRACEPTION BANNED BY THE BISHOPS.
THE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM ISSUE IS BEING CONSIDERED ONE JUSTICE SHORT DUE TO THE DEATH OF JUSTICE ANTONIN SCALIA.
THE JUSTICES COULD SPLIT ALONG IDEOLOGICAL LINES, ENDING IN A 4-4 TIE.
THEN, THE JUSTICES MIGHT REFER THE CASE BACK TO LOWER COURTS, WHICH ARE NOT IN AGREEMENT.
BIRTH CONTROL ACCESS COULD END UP VARYING BY STATE, ACCORDING TO WHAT EACH LOCAL COURT DECIDES.
JENNIFER YOU FOLLOWED THE SUPREME COURT AND THE SWING VOTE IS ANTHONY KENNEDY, HE CAN MAKE IT 4-4 OR 5-3 IN FAVOR OF ACCESS TO BIRTH CONTROL.
HOW DO YOU READ HIM?
>> YOU ARE RIGHT.
IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE SWING VOTER, JUSTICE KENNEDY.
AND IN THE 2014 HOBBY LOBBY DECISION WE HAVE A GOOD INDICATOR.
HE BASICALLY EXPRESSES CONCERN WITH RELIGIOUS OBJECTORS HAVING A SWEEPING POWER OVER THE INTERESTS OF OTHERS.
AND OTHER CONSERVATIVE JUSTICES AND LEGAL SCHOLARS AGREE WITH HIM.
THAT IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
THIS COULD BE A 5-3 DECISION.
>> AGREED?
>> IT'S GOING TO BE 5-3 OR 4-4.
BUT IF IT IS 4-4 AND GOES BACK TO THE LOWER COURTS WILL EXEMPT LITTLE SISTERS BECAUSE THEY HAD GONE MULTIPLE APPEALS AND THEY WOULD BE FINED BUT OTHER GROUPS ON WITH THEM IN THIS CASE WOULD END UP LOSING THAT EXEMPTION.
I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE MANDATE AND I NEVER HAVE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE POLITICAL RATHER THAN PRACTICAL.
>> DO YOU SEE THAT AS AN INFRINGEMENT ON ONE'S RELIGIOUS RIGHTS?
>> I THINK THIS ONE A BIT MORE THAN HOBBY LOBLY HONESTLY.
ALTHOUGH THE ONE ISSUE I HAVE WITH THIS CASE IS THE LITTLE SISTERS SAYING THAT EVEN FILLING OUT THE FORM SAYING THEY OBJECT IS TOO MUCH FOR THEM.
BUT IT DOES GO BACK TO THEN IT WOULD SWIFT TO THEIR INSURER WHICH MEANS THEY ARE STILL PAYING FOR IT BY HIRING AND PAYING PREMIUMS TO THE INSURER WHICH IS WHERE THEY OBJECT THEY ARE ALLOWING THE FLOODGATES OF SOMETHING THAT THEY OBJECT TO RELIGIOUSLY.
>> LET'S GET BACK TO THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND THE FREEDOM OF RELIGION CLAUSE.
ARE THEY TOLD THEY CANNOT BE CATHOLICS?
ARE -- I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS.
ARE THEY BEING TOLD THEY CANNOT PRAY IN PUBLIC?
ARE THEY BEING TOLD THEY CANNOT BELIEVE IN GOD AND TOLD THEY HAVE TO BELIEVE IN ANOTHER RELIGION?
I JUST WONDER -- I JUST WONDER HOW THIS BECOMES A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE OF FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
THIS IS SUCH A MINOR ASPECT OF YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.
IF INDEED IT IS -- LET'S AGREE AND SAY IT IS AN INC. FRINGEMENT HOW MUCH OF AN INC. FRINGEMENT IS IT?
DOES IT AMOUNT TO A CONSTITUTIONAL INFRINGEMENTS.
>> MAYBE TOMORROW IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY THE CONTRACEPTIVES BUT THE GOVERNMENT COMPELLING THEM TO DO THIS WHICH GOES INTO THE BROADER ISSUE.
YOU MIGHT NOT THINK THE CONTRACEPTION BATTLE IS VERY IMPORTANT BUT IF IT IS ANOTHER BATTLE TOMORROW OR YOU KEEP SAYING IT IS JUST A LITTLE THING AND THEY ARE NOT THEY DO NOT WANT IT AT ALL.
THEY DO NOT WANT THE LITTLE THINGS OR THE BIG THINGS TO GET THROUGH.
>> YOUR THOUGHTS?
>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU ARE PROTECTING THE CITIZEN.
AND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IN TERMS OF RELIGION BUT THE PROTECTION OF THE CITIZENS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING AND THE PRACTICAL SIDE HAS TO OVERRIDE THE POLITICAL CONSIDERATIONS.
>> I AGREE WITH THAT.
I AM IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION BUT I FEEL STRONGLY THAT THERE IS A BURDEN PLACED ON PEOPLE'S RELIGIOUS RIGHTS AND THE SITUATION TO FILL OUT A FORM.
I THINK WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WHAT IS THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE TO HAVING THIS OPTION AND THIS IS THE OPTION ON THE TABLE AND IS IT SUCH A BURDEN THAT IT IMPACTS THAT?
YOU TALK ABOUT FOLLOWING YOUR FAITH OR A MANDATE.
WE CONTINUE TO LITIGATE AND IN THE SUPREME COURT AND THIS MAY BE WILL BE THE LAST STRAW IN THAT EFFORT.
>> MEANING, THEY WILL LOSE AND THEN -- >> RIGHT ABSOLUTELY.
>> WELL, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION IS NOT ABSOLUTE.
IT HAS LIMITS.
AND IF THE COURT FINDS FOR THE RELIGIOUS OBJECTORS IN THIS CASE IT LEADS US DOWN A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
WHAT IS NEXT?
EMPLOYERS CAN BE ANTIGAY AND REFUSE TO UPHOLD THE RIGHTS OF GAY EMPLOYEES THAT COULD BE AROUND THE CORNER.
SO I THINK THAT EVERYONE CONSERVATIVE JUSTICES ARE ON THE SAME PAGE HERE.
>> OBVIOUSLY ROE V. WADE WOULD BE A DECISION THAT IMPINGES ON SOMEBODY'S RELIGIOUS RIGHTS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT AGREE WITH IT.
IF THE RELIGIOUS OBJECTORS AGREE DO YOU SEE MORE CASES COMING?
I MEAN IF THEY WIN?
>> THEN ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN IF THEY WIN MORE CASES.
IF THEY LOSE PROBABLY STILL MORE CASES BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE WILL FIND DIFFERENT WAYS TO ARGUE IT.
I DO NOT THINK THIS WOULD BE THE END.
THIS MANDATE THIS IS WHAT THE SECOND, THIRD TIME.
>> SECOND TIME BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT SIX YEARS SINCE HE SIGNED OBAMACARE INTO LAW.
>> PEOPLE WILL FIND MORE ARGUMENTS WITH SOMETHING THAT THEY DISAGREE WITH.
BEHIND THE HEADLINES: WOMEN ARE DELAYING MARRIAGE OR NOT GETTING MARRIED MORE OFTEN THAN EVER.
AUTHOR REBECCA TRAISTER'S "ALL THE SINGLE LADIES" EXPLORES HOW SINGLE WOMEN ARE TRANSFORMING SOCIETY AND WHAT IT MEANS TO "HAVE IT ALL."
>> I REALLY HATE THE TERM HAVING IT ALL.
>> REBECCA TRAISTER IS THE AUTHOR OF ALL THE SINGLE LADIES.
A BOOK THAT EXPLORES WHAT IT'S LIKE BEING A SINGLE WOMAN IN AMERICA.
>> WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HAVING IT ALL WITH REGARD TO WOMEN WHAT DO WE MEAN?
CAN WOMEN HAVE BOTH CAREERS AND FAMILY, RIGHT?
THAT IS THE MOST BASIC FORMATION OF THAT QUESTION AND CONSIDER IF WE APPLIED THAT QUESTION TO MEN WE WOULD COME UP WITH THE BASIC STATE OF WHAT ADULT MALE LIFE IN THE UNITED STATES IS SUPPOSED TO BE.
>> THAT WORK-LIFE BALANCE IS ONE WOMEN ARE TAKING ON ALONE.
ACCORDING TO RESEARCH SINGLE WOMEN HAVE FOUND IT EASIER TO DO SO IN BIG CITIES.
>> WHAT CITIES OFFER IS JOBS.
AND SO WOMEN WHO WERE ATTEMPTING OR FELT THEY NEEDED TO FOR SOME REASON GAIN SOME MEASURE OF INDEPENDENCE OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE OFTEN FLOCKED TO ANYWHERE THERE WERE JOBS.
CITIES WITH THE HIGH POPULATION DENSITIES GIVE WOMEN SOMETHING CLOSER TO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNAL LIVING.
SMALLER SPACES.
SERVICES IN CITIES AND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION WAYS FOR THEM TO GET AROUND.
WAYS FOR THEM TO GET TO THE JOBS.
PLACES FOR THEM TO GATHER PUBLICLY.
>> THE MARRIAGE AGE IS GETTING HIGHER NOT JUST IN CITIES BUT SUBURBAN AND RURAL COMMUNITIES TOO.
PART OF AN HISTORICAL SHIFT THAT HAS BEEN SET IN MOTION FOR A LONGTIME.
>> WOMEN IN THE 18TH CENTURY WHO WERE THINKING ABOUT THE WAYS THAT THEIR LIBERTY WAS CIRCUMSCRIBED BY MARRIAGES WHICH LEFT THEM WITH FEWER RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS.
LANGUAGE AROUND INDEPENDENCE FOR MARRIAGE CROPPED UP AROUND THE REVOLUTION.
AND THEN IN THE 19TH CENTURY WE SAW THE MASSIVE SOCIAL MOVEMENTS FOR ABOLITION, SUFFICIENTAGE.
THE -- SUFFERAGE.
AND THE EXPANSION OF WOMEN IN INSURGENTS.
THE LABOR MOVEMENT AND IN THE BEGINNING OF THE 20TH CENTURY ALL THAT SET THE STAGE IN CERTAIN SLOW WAYS FOR THE ABILITY OF WOMEN TO LIVE OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE.
>> DESPITE MORE WOMEN REMAINING UNMARRIED THEY ARE OFTEN TREATED AS ABHORENT.
>> THERE IS A STIGMA LIVING OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE.
AND THAT STIGMA AND THE FETISHIZATION OF A MARRIED MODEL BUILDS AS MARRIAGE RATES DROP AND YOU GET A LOT OF MESSAGES FROM POLITICIANS YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY CONSERVATIVE POLITICIANS WHO ARE VERY ANXIOUS TO TIE POVERTY TO SINGLE WOMEN AND TO BLAME A CHANGE IN MARRIAGE RATES FOR POVERTY.
>> BLACK WOMEN FACE THEIR OWN SET OF CHALLENGES.
>> MARRIAGE RATES FOR FRAN WOMEN ARE SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN WHITE WOMEN AND THE MARRIAGE AGES ARE HIGHER THAT IS THE MAIN DIFFERENCE AND THEY HAVE BEEN TARGETED AS DEVIANT, ABHORENT FLAWED, TOO INDEPENDENT.
>> UNMARRIED WOMEN NOW HOLD MAJOR POLITICAL POWER.
IF HILLARY CLINTON AND DONALD TRUMP ARE THE TWO MAJOR CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT, HOW WILL SINGLE WOMEN VOTE?
>> DONALD TRUMP IS A CANDIDATE WHO HAS TAKEN NO PAINS TO EVER HIDE HIS MISOGYNY.
AND WOMEN AND ESPECIALLY YOUNG UNMARRIED WOMEN ARE GOING TO BE VOTING FOR HILLARY CLINTON IN LARGE NUMBERS.
>> DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
OR DO YOU THINK SINGLE REPUBLICAN WOMEN WILL BE STAYING HOME OR VOTING FOR TRUMP?
>> I THINK SINGLE REPUBLICAN WOMEN AT THIS POINT MIGHT EITHER STAY HOME OR VOTE THIRD -- THIRD CANDIDATE.
AS FAR AS SINGLE WOMEN ON THE WHOLE, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING LIKE 70% ARE OPPOSED TO TRUMP.
NOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES TRUMP IS WINNING WITH WOMEN IN MANY OF THE STATES.
OBVIOUSLY THAT IS A SLICE OF REPUBLICAN VOTERS SO HE IS WINNING THERE.
ON THE BROADER SIDE, HE IS LOSING WITH SINGLE WOMEN AND THAT WILL BE A HUGE PROBLEM FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THE GENERAL ELECTION IF THEY CANNOT STOP TRUMP.
>> SOME PEOPLE ARE SAYING SINGLE WOMEN WILL ALL VOTE FOR HILLARY.
I KNOW A COUPLE OF REPUBLICAN SING -- NOT SINGLE WOMEN, WOMEN, WHO ARE SAYING THAT THEY WILL VOTE FOR HILLARY BECAUSE THEY ARE SO TURNED OFF BY TRUMP.
WHAT IS YOUR VIEW WHAT SINGLE WOMEN WILL DO?
>> IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I THINK SINGLE WOMEN AS AN ELECTORATE INDEPENDENT WOMEN REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT DO NOT VIEW HILLARY CLINTON AS A WOMEN.
IF YOU LOOK AT WILL POLLING DATA THEY DO NOT VIEW HER AS A MOM BUT A POLITICIAN.
SO THROUGH THE LENS OF VOTING I DO NOT THINK PEOPLE ARE VOTING FOR HER BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN BUT FOR HER BECAUSE SHE IS NOT DONALD TRUMP.
>> YOU ARE TALKING YOUNGER WOMEN?
>> YES.
>> AND FOR SINGLE REPUBLICAN WOMEN HOW ARE THEY LOOKING AT TRUMP?
>> I THINK THEY ARE LOOKING THROUGH THE LENS THAT IT'S CHALLENGING TO SUPPORT SOMEONE WHO HAS MISOGYNISTIC VALUES.
>> I WAS WONDERING WHAT SINGLE WOMEN WERE DOING WHEN CRUZ MADE MUCH OF THE PLAYBOY PICTURES OF -- >> THAT WAS NOT CRUZ THAT WAS AN UNAFIG FILLIATED PACT THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH CRUZ.
>> THE CRUZ SUPPORTERS, THE PACT, MADE STARTED SENDING AROUND THE INTERNET PICTURES OF MELANIA NUDE AS A PLOY BOY BUNNY.
IT IS A RIDICULOUS QUESTION BUT MANDATED BY THE NEWS OF THE WEEK WHAT DO REPUBLICAN WOMEN THINK ABOUT HAVING A FIRST LADY IN THE WHITE HOUSE PICTURES ON THE INTERNET WILL BE ALL OVER THE PLACE FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO COME OF HER NAKED?
>> I THINK RIGHT NOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A WIDE GAP WITH REPUBLICAN WOMEN.
LIKE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WITH THE WAY THAT SOCIAL MEDIA IS NOW IT DOESN'T MATTER THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME EMBARRASSING PHOTO.
THERE WAS A MEME A PHOTO OF I FOUND A PICTURE OF YOUR GRANDMOTHER BLACK AND WHITE AND 60 YEARS FROM NOW IT WILL BE I SAW A PICTURE OF YOUR GRANDMOTHER AND IT WILL BE A WOMAN DOING DUCK FACE IN THE MIRROR.
IT'S CHANGING TIMES.
YOU THINK THERE WILL BE PHOTOS OF HEIDI CRUZ LIKE THAT?
PROBABLY NOT.
AND WE CAN LOOK UP TO MELANIA FOR OTHER REASONS.
WE CAN THINK SHE IS BEAUTIFUL.
AND THINK THAT SHE IS SMART AND SHE HAS A AGREE IN ARCHITECTURE SHE HAS HER OWN THING GOING ON.
IF YOU JUST WANT TO LOOK AT HER FOR HER BODY THEN I THINK THAT IS JUST ONE OF THOSE PROBLEMS IN AMERICA STILL.
>> IF WE WERE GOING TO JUDGE DONALD TRUMP WE CAN JUDGE HIM ON IVANKA.
AND SPOUSES I'M NOT VOTING FOR BILL CLINTON BECAUSE HE WILL BE THE FIRST MAN.
AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKS ABOUT SPOUSES BUT WE ARE VOTING FOR THE CANDIDATE AND THE CANDIDATE IS THE CANDIDATE.
AND THE TICKET IS THE TICKET.
>> AND THAT IS WHY IT'S EXCITING THAT WE HAVE THE CHANCE TO VOTE FOR NOT A SPOUSE BUT A WOMAN PRESIDENT AND IT IS A REALISTIC POSSIBILITY AND I THINK HILLARY AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB WITH THE SINGLE WOMEN RIGHT NOW ON ISSUES IMPORTANT TO THEM LIKE REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS, PAID FAMILY LEAVE, RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE THESE ISSUES ARE IMPORTANT TO SINGLE WOMEN AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.
>> I THINK THE SIGN MESSAGE YOU ARE SENDING WHEN YOU HAVE A WOMAN PRESIDENT IS ESSENTIAL THAT THAT CAN BE THEM ONE DAY.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE IMAGE IF YOU DO NOT SEE IT IT'S HARD TO DREAM IT AND IT WILL BE AN IMPORTANT CHANGE FOR WOMEN IF HILLARY MAKES IT TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
>> AND BACK TO SINGLE WOMEN, GENERALLY, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE RESISTING THIS CHANGE IN AGE AND TRYING TO A LOT OF MILLENNIALS PERHAPS ARE TRYING TO MARRY EARLIER BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT TO HIT 40 AND LIKE THERE WAS A COMIC STRIP THAT WAS OUTCOMIC STILL PICTURE OUT ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO THAT CAREER WOMAN SAYING I FORGOT TO HAVE A BABY.
>> AND EVERY WOMAN HAS DIFFERENT PRIORITIES WHETHER THAT IS TO HAVE A CHILD, MARRIED OR A CAREER TALKING ABOUT HAVING IT ALL.
I DO NOT THINK THAT IS A BAD THING THAT WOMEN ARE WAITING UNTIL LATER IN LIFE.
IT PROVIDES THEM WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE INDEPENDENT.
AND IN THE SENSE THAT IS WHAT THE GOAL ISMENT LIKE I HAVE STABILITY UNTIL I CAN PROVIDE MY FAMILY WITHOUT THE NEED FOR GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS.
>> TERRIFIC.
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