WEBVTT 00:00.533 --> 00:02.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> SO YOU ARE A FEMINIST. 00:02.633 --> 00:04.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% HOW DOES THAT GO OVER IN THE 00:04.266 --> 00:05.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MUSLIM WORLD? 00:05.433 --> 00:06.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> SO I USUALLY DON'T'S START 00:06.733 --> 00:08.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WITH THE WORD FEMINIST BUT I DO 00:08.700 --> 00:10.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% USE THAT WORD TO DESCRIBE MYSELF 00:10.500 --> 00:11.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT 00:11.933 --> 00:14.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THAT WE OWN A WORD THAT UNITES 00:14.966 --> 00:15.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% US. 00:15.233 --> 00:16.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BUT THE WAY I OFTEN DESCRIBE 00:16.833 --> 00:19.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ISLAM IS A REVOLUTION FOR WOMEN 00:19.033 --> 00:19.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND THE FIRST PERSON TO ENTER 00:19.766 --> 00:23.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ISLAM WAS A WOMAN. 00:23.800 --> 00:24.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHEN THE QURAN WAS COMPILE 00:24.966 --> 00:26.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WILLED, AND THE TRIBES DECIDED 00:26.233 --> 00:33.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHO TO GIVE IT TO, IT WAS A 00:27.100 --> 00:34.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMAN. 00:34.366 --> 00:44.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% [♪♪♪♪] 00:44.166 --> 00:47.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> HELLO I'M BONNIE ERBE WELCOME 00:47.000 --> 00:48.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TO TO THE CONTRARY. 00:48.000 --> 00:51.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THIS WEEK, A CONVERSATION WITH 00:51.933 --> 00:52.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MANAL OMAR. 00:52.333 --> 00:54.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MANAL FOUNDED A NEW ORGANIZATION 00:54.133 --> 00:56.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CALLED ACROSS RED LINES AND WE 00:56.400 --> 00:58.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WILL BE TELLING YOU WHAT THAT IS 00:58.666 --> 01:00.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ABOUT AND IT'S EXCITING. 01:00.133 --> 01:02.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND SHE IS ALSO A TRUMAN 01:02.000 --> 01:04.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% NATIONAL SECURITY FELLOW. 01:04.400 --> 01:06.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND SHE IS A THOUGHT LEADER WHEN 01:06.300 --> 01:08.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IT COMES TO ISSUES AT THE 01:08.833 --> 01:11.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% INTERSECTION OF GENDER, EQUALITY 01:11.900 --> 01:12.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND ISLAM. 01:12.733 --> 01:15.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WELCOME, MANAL AND FREQUENT TO 01:15.966 --> 01:17.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE CONTRARY PANELIST AS WELL. 01:17.800 --> 01:18.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR 01:18.800 --> 01:19.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% HAVING ME. 01:19.500 --> 01:22.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> ACROSS RED LINES WHAT IS THAT 01:22.933 --> 01:23.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ABOUT? 01:23.233 --> 01:24.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> IT IS A COMPANY THAT I JUST 01:24.500 --> 01:26.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LAUNCHED THAT LOOKS AT PROVIDING 01:26.566 --> 01:28.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMEN PARTICULARLY MUSLIM WOMEN 01:28.300 --> 01:29.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BUT WOMEN OF FAITH IN GENERAL 01:29.633 --> 01:31.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WITH A SAFE SPACE TO EXPLORE 01:31.433 --> 01:33.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SEXUALITY FROM A RELIGIOUS LENS. 01:33.233 --> 01:39.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> AND NO SUCH THING EXISTS? 01:39.566 --> 01:40.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> WELL THERE'S DIFFERENT 01:40.333 --> 01:42.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMEN'S ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THE 01:42.500 --> 01:44.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ISLAMIC WORLD AND A LOT I'VE 01:44.333 --> 01:47.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BEEN WORKING WITH BUT FROM MY 01:47.633 --> 01:48.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WHEN I 01:48.800 --> 01:52.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WENT THROUGH MY DIVORCE I HAD 01:52.533 --> 01:54.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% QUESTIONS ABOUT MY SEXUALITY 01:54.266 --> 01:56.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ABOUT MY FAITH AND MY ROLE AS A 01:56.666 --> 02:00.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMAN'S ACTIVIST WHEN IT SEEMS 02:00.100 --> 02:03.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LIKE THEY WERE AT CONTRADICTION 02:03.100 --> 02:05.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND I LOOKED FOR WORKSHOPS AND 02:05.333 --> 02:07.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BOOKS AND THERE WASN'T ANYTHING. 02:07.000 --> 02:09.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND IT WAS ALMOST A POINT OF 02:09.100 --> 02:09.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DESPERATION. 02:09.500 --> 02:11.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I SPENT THE LAST THREE YEARS 02:11.400 --> 02:13.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DOING THE RE7 FOR MYSELF. 02:13.666 --> 02:14.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND THAT INSPIRED ME. 02:14.833 --> 02:16.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHY DON'T I SHARE IT AND IT 02:16.233 --> 02:17.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LAUNCHED ACROSS RED LINES. 02:17.400 --> 02:19.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> I BELIEVE THE LACK OF 02:19.366 --> 02:22.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CONVERSATION ABOUT SEXUALITY HAS 02:22.166 --> 02:24.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CRIPPLED OUR COMMUNITY. 02:24.366 --> 02:25.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> WHEN I ASK PEOPLE WHAT IS 02:25.600 --> 02:27.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% YOUR IDEA ABOUT GETTING TO KNOW 02:27.333 --> 02:28.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SOMEONE FOR THE PURPOSE OF 02:28.500 --> 02:30.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MARRIAGE THEY USE WORDS LIKE 02:30.766 --> 02:32.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% COURTING, TALKING. 02:32.466 --> 02:34.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> OPEN HONEST DISCUSSIONS ABOUT 02:34.433 --> 02:37.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SEXUALITY IS A RED LINE THAT THE 02:37.400 --> 02:39.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MOST POWERFUL MUSLIM WOMEN WILL 02:39.200 --> 02:41.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% NOT CROSS. 02:41.066 --> 02:44.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I WANT TO CROSS IT. 02:44.333 --> 02:46.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> TELL ME ABOUT, HAVE YOU BEEN 02:46.700 --> 02:48.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BESIEGED WITH INQUIRES FROM 02:48.733 --> 02:51.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMEN WHO WANT TO KNOW MORE? 02:51.400 --> 02:52.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHAT IS THE AVERAGE ABOUT SEX 02:52.966 --> 02:56.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND SEXUALITY HERE IN THE U.S. 02:56.133 --> 02:57.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MUSLIM WOMEN, WHAT IS THEIR 02:57.766 --> 02:59.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE? 02:59.533 --> 03:00.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> I MEAN, YOU KNOW IT'S VERY 03:00.666 --> 03:02.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% HARD AS YOU KNOW TO SPEAK ABOUT 03:02.366 --> 03:04.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMEN AS A MONOLITH AND MUSLIM 03:04.566 --> 03:05.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMEN IN GENERAL AND ESPECIALLY 03:05.900 --> 03:07.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHEN YOU COME TO AMERICAN MUSLIM 03:07.133 --> 03:09.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMEN BECAUSE THERE IS A DIVERSE 03:09.000 --> 03:11.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CULTURAL BACKGROUND AS WELL. 03:11.300 --> 03:14.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BUT OVERWHELMINGLY, IT'S JUST 03:14.233 --> 03:15.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% VERY MALE DOMINATED 03:15.933 --> 03:17.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ININTERPRETATIONS WHEN IT COMES 03:17.366 --> 03:19.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TO ANYTHING INVOLVING WOMEN IN 03:19.300 --> 03:20.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ISLAM. 03:20.100 --> 03:21.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THERE'S BEEN STRONG SUCCESS IN 03:21.666 --> 03:24.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE LAST 20 YEARS ON RAISING THE 03:24.200 --> 03:25.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% RIGHTS ISSUES. 03:25.333 --> 03:26.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHAT HAS NOT HAPPENED IS THE 03:26.633 --> 03:28.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CONVERSATION ON SEXUALITY FROM A 03:28.666 --> 03:30.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SEX POSITIVE LENS. 03:30.300 --> 03:32.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WE HAVE HAD GREAT ORGANIZATIONS 03:32.366 --> 03:34.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND 03:34.900 --> 03:37.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TACKLING SEXUAL ABUSE IN THE 03:37.266 --> 03:38.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MOSQUE WE HAVE HAD ORGANIZATIONS 03:38.600 --> 03:41.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% STEP UP IN THE LAST DECADE IN 03:41.133 --> 03:41.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AMERICA. 03:41.466 --> 03:42.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND IN THE WORLD. 03:42.433 --> 03:43.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BUT THAT SEX POSITIVE 03:43.966 --> 03:46.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CONVERSATION WHICH I ARGUE IS AN 03:46.066 --> 03:47.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ESSENTIAL PART OF ISLAM BECAUSE 03:47.533 --> 03:49.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ISLAM TALKS ABOUT HOW YOU 03:49.000 --> 03:50.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CONNECT TO THE DIVINE IN ALL 03:50.400 --> 03:53.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% YOUR SENSES IS A MISSING GAP. 03:53.566 --> 03:55.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHEN WE ARE FOCUSING ON THE 03:55.000 --> 03:57.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% EXPLOITATION AND THE ABUSE, THEN 03:57.800 --> 03:59.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WE LOSE THE OTHER ANGLE ON 03:59.300 --> 04:01.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMEN'S ISSUES THE JOY AND THE 04:01.400 --> 04:02.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PLEASURE AND RESILIENCE. 04:02.800 --> 04:04.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MY HOPE IS WE CAN BUILD THAT 04:04.600 --> 04:06.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SIDE THROUGH THIS LENS ON 04:06.533 --> 04:07.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TALKING ABOUT SEXUALITY. 04:07.866 --> 04:09.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE 04:09.100 --> 04:11.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ISLAMIC COMMUNITY IN AMERICA IS 04:11.833 --> 04:14.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MORE FORWARD THINKING THAN IN 04:14.466 --> 04:17.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% NORTH AFRICA OR SOUTH ASIA? 04:17.100 --> 04:21.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> I WOULD SAY THE OPPOSITE. 04:21.000 --> 04:22.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I WAS RAISED HERE. 04:22.300 --> 04:23.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I WAS TAUGHT ISLAM THROUGH THE 04:23.700 --> 04:24.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SYSTEM HERE. 04:24.400 --> 04:25.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND VERY MUCH INVOLVED IN THE 04:25.700 --> 04:27.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AMERICAN MUSLIM COMMUNITY AND 04:27.066 --> 04:28.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I'M GRATEFUL FOR IT BECAUSE IT 04:28.900 --> 04:30.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% GAVE ME AN IMPORTANT PART OF MY 04:30.133 --> 04:30.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BACKGROUND. 04:30.533 --> 04:32.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BUT IT WASN'T UNTIL I STARTED 04:32.133 --> 04:33.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TRAVELING THE WORLD AND I SAW 04:33.566 --> 04:38.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% HOW RICH AND OPEN ISLAM IS. 04:38.566 --> 04:39.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND MY PERSONAL THEORY IS THAT 04:39.866 --> 04:41.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WE GET FROZEN IN THE TIME THAT 04:41.433 --> 04:43.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% OUR PARENTS LEFT. 04:43.133 --> 04:46.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I WAS RAISED IN A 1960s 04:46.333 --> 04:48.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PALESTINE, WHERE IF IF YOU GO TO 04:48.233 --> 04:50.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PALESTINE OR WHERE PEOPLE ARE 04:50.200 --> 04:53.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% FROM THERE IS A HUGE WIDE OF 04:53.666 --> 04:55.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% INTERPRETATIONS A HUGE WIDE THE 04:55.433 --> 04:57.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WAY THE RELIGION IS PRACTICED. 04:57.500 --> 04:58.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% HERE IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE ARE 04:58.966 --> 05:01.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% FROZEN IN TIME. 05:01.266 --> 05:02.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR 05:02.733 --> 05:04.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% EXAMPLE THAT IN NIGERIA WHERE 05:04.933 --> 05:10.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BOKO HARAM IS KIDNAPPING SCHOOL 05:10.266 --> 05:10.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% GIRLS AND GIRLS ARE NOT IN 05:10.933 --> 05:13.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SCHOOL ANYMORE THEIR PARENTS ARE 05:13.033 --> 05:14.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AFRAID TO SEND THEM HOW IS IT 05:14.866 --> 05:18.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% POSSIBLE THAT THEY ARE MORE 05:18.433 --> 05:19.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LIBERATED, IF YOU WILL, MORE 05:19.866 --> 05:23.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PROGRESSIVE THAN AMERICAN MUSLIM 05:23.066 --> 05:27.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMEN WHO ARE LAWYERS AND 05:27.833 --> 05:33.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DOCTORS AND UNIVERSITY 05:33.833 --> 05:36.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PRESIDENTS AND C.E.O.S, THAN 05:36.633 --> 05:38.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHEN COMPARED WITH OTHER 05:38.700 --> 05:39.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% COUNTRIES? 05:39.300 --> 05:40.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> I WOULD DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN 05:40.500 --> 05:41.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE INTERPRETATIONS AND THE 05:41.900 --> 05:44.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SCHOLARSHIP AND THE STATUS OF 05:44.033 --> 05:44.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMEN. 05:44.600 --> 05:46.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT. 05:46.100 --> 05:48.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WITH THE STATUS OF WOMEN JUST BY 05:48.000 --> 05:50.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DEFAULT OUR ACCESS TO EDUCATION 05:50.000 --> 05:51.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND HEALTHCARE WE ARE ALWAYS 05:51.100 --> 05:52.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% GOING TO BE BETTER. 05:52.500 --> 05:54.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I WAS LOOKING AT THE ISLAMIC 05:54.166 --> 05:56.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% INTERPRETATION LENS AND THAT 05:56.333 --> 05:57.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TENDS TO BE FROZEN IN TIME. 05:57.733 --> 05:59.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WE DON'T HAVE THE ACCESS. 05:59.800 --> 06:01.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND I THINK IN AMERICA -- 06:01.266 --> 06:02.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT YOU MEAN. 06:02.600 --> 06:05.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> AN EXAMPLE, WHEN I WAS IN 06:05.133 --> 06:08.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% NIGERIA I WAS ABLE TO MEET WITH 06:08.933 --> 06:13.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ISLAMIC SCHOLARS FOR ACROSS RED 06:13.733 --> 06:14.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LINES, AND TO REALLY PUSH THEM 06:14.933 --> 06:16.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ON CERTAIN ISSUES THAT MAY 06:16.633 --> 06:19.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TROUBLE ME FROM A WOMEN'S 06:19.133 --> 06:19.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PERSPECTIVE. 06:19.533 --> 06:22.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ON THE WITNESSES OR ON WHAT ISIS 06:22.966 --> 06:24.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IS USING IN TERMS OF THEIR 06:24.766 --> 06:26.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% RECRUITMENT STRATEGIES. 06:26.533 --> 06:28.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SO A LOT OF THE TIMES IF I HAVE 06:28.166 --> 06:29.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THOSE TYPE OF CONVERSATIONS HERE 06:29.666 --> 06:31.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHAT I GET IS READ THE 06:31.500 --> 06:33.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SCHOLARSHIP THAT IS ALREADY IN 06:33.500 --> 06:34.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE PAST. 06:34.633 --> 06:36.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHEREAS WHAT YOU WILL FIND IN 06:36.000 --> 06:38.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SOME NOT IN ALL CONTEXT AND ALL 06:38.200 --> 06:39.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% RELIGIOUS SCHOLARS BUT I HAD THE 06:39.766 --> 06:41.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SAME EXPERIENCE IN YEMEN IF YOU 06:41.266 --> 06:43.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% FIND PEOPLE WHO KNOW THE 06:43.066 --> 06:45.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% RELIGION AND THE SCRIPTURE YOU 06:45.533 --> 06:47.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CAN DECONSTRUCT THE LAWS. 06:47.666 --> 06:48.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND THE WAY THAT SOMEONE 06:48.500 --> 06:51.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% EXPLAINED IT TO ME WHICH WAS 06:51.466 --> 06:53.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BRILLIANT IS ISLAM DOESN'T 06:53.266 --> 06:57.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% NECESSARILY NEED A REFMATION, 06:57.600 --> 06:58.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BECAUSE IT IS A LEGAL-BASED 06:58.733 --> 07:00.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SYSTEM AND THE VALUES WILL NOT 07:00.800 --> 07:02.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CHANGE BUT FROM THE BEGINNING 07:02.500 --> 07:03.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ISLAM ANTICIPATED THE LAWS TO 07:03.233 --> 07:03.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CHANGE. 07:03.566 --> 07:07.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND THE LAWS SHOULD CHANGE WITH 07:07.433 --> 07:08.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PEOPLE AND THAT IS WHAT THE 07:08.433 --> 07:09.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SCHOLARS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE 07:09.333 --> 07:09.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DOING. 07:09.800 --> 07:12.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> LET'S GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT 07:12.600 --> 07:14.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% HOW THAT IMPACTS THE AVERAGE 07:14.666 --> 07:16.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMAN IN THE U.S. VERSUS THE 07:16.433 --> 07:21.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AVERAGE WOMAN IN THE PHILIPPINES 07:21.400 --> 07:23.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% OR SOMEWHERE ELSE IN SOUTH ASIA 07:23.600 --> 07:26.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% OR NORTH AFRICA. 07:26.533 --> 07:28.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MY EXPERIENCE AND I'VE BEEN TO 07:28.700 --> 07:31.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% 70 SOME ODD COUNTRIES IS THAT 07:31.333 --> 07:33.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMEN ARE WAY MORE REPRESSED IN 07:33.200 --> 07:35.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THEIR DAILY LIVES. 07:35.066 --> 07:37.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SO THAT IS WHAT I WAS GETTING 07:37.533 --> 07:37.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AT. 07:37.800 --> 07:39.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> IN TERMS OF DAILY LIVES, 07:39.266 --> 07:39.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ABSOLUTELY. 07:39.666 --> 07:41.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I WAS THINKING MORE IN TERMS OF 07:41.200 --> 07:44.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE AMMUNITION TO PUSHBACK ON 07:44.200 --> 07:45.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE SPECIFIC CONVERSATION ON 07:45.900 --> 07:46.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SEXUALITY. 07:46.266 --> 07:48.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THAT AMMUNITION IS WHAT WE ARE 07:48.466 --> 07:48.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LACKING. 07:48.800 --> 07:50.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> THE WOMEN THERE ARE TREATED 07:50.733 --> 07:53.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IN MANY COUNTRIES NO BETTER THAN 07:53.366 --> 07:54.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CHATTLE, REALLY. 07:54.933 --> 07:55.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> WORSE. 07:55.833 --> 07:58.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> WOMEN WERE TREATED IN 07:58.266 --> 08:00.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BIBLICAL TIMES. 08:00.666 --> 08:01.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> ABSOLUTELY. 08:01.433 --> 08:03.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> SO WHEN YOU -- 08:03.500 --> 08:04.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% YOU ARE A FEMINIST 08:04.400 --> 08:06.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. 08:06.433 --> 08:09.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> WHEN YOU TELL PEOPLE OR SPEAK 08:09.100 --> 08:12.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TO AN AUDIENCE OF MUSLIMS HERE 08:12.400 --> 08:14.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND OVERSEAS, HOW DO THEY TAKE 08:14.633 --> 08:15.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THAT? 08:15.066 --> 08:16.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> SO I USUALLY DON'T START WITH 08:16.566 --> 08:18.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE WORD FEMINIST BUT I DO USE 08:18.600 --> 08:20.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE WORD TO DESCRIBE MYSELF 08:20.166 --> 08:21.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY 08:21.066 --> 08:23.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IMPORTANT THAT WE OWN A WORD 08:23.366 --> 08:24.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THAT UNITES US. 08:24.900 --> 08:26.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BUT THE WAY I OFTEN DESCRIBE 08:26.500 --> 08:28.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ISLAM IS A REVOLUTION FOR WOMEN 08:28.700 --> 08:29.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND THE FIRST PERSON TO INTER 08:29.933 --> 08:31.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ISLAM WAS A WOMAN THE FIRST 08:31.500 --> 08:34.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MARTYR WAS A WOMAN, WHEN THE 08:34.500 --> 08:36.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TRIBES DECIDED WHO TO GIVE IT 08:36.333 --> 08:40.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TO, IT WAS A WOMAN. 08:40.500 --> 08:44.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SO I USE THAT AS THE ENTRY POINT 08:44.800 --> 08:46.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WITH THE RELIGIOUS SCHOLARS 08:46.900 --> 08:48.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SAYING WITH THE POINT OF PRIDE 08:48.333 --> 08:49.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% OF HOW REVOLUTIONARY ISLAM WAS 08:49.733 --> 08:50.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TO WOMEN. 08:50.866 --> 08:52.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND USUALLY THEY GET EXCITED AND 08:52.366 --> 08:56.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SHARE THEIR OWN STORIES AND I 08:56.633 --> 08:58.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ASK THEM WHEN DID WE LOSE IT? 08:58.266 --> 08:59.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BECAUSE WE LOST IT? 08:59.400 --> 09:01.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND THAT CAN OPEN UP THE 09:01.333 --> 09:03.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CONVERSATION AROUND FEMINISM AND 09:03.433 --> 09:05.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SEXUALITY AND THIS ARGUMENT OF 09:05.566 --> 09:07.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SAYING ISLAM WAS THE ORIGINAL 09:07.300 --> 09:09.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MOVEMENT FOR A LOT OF THESE 09:09.333 --> 09:11.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% COMMUNITIES AND IT GOT LOST HOW 09:11.266 --> 09:12.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DO WE RECLAIM IT. 09:12.166 --> 09:14.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND IT TAKES AWAY THE DEFENSIVE 09:14.000 --> 09:15.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% POSTURE IN THE WORLD OF 09:15.633 --> 09:19.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ISLAMOPHOBIA, DEMANDING APOLOGY 09:19.166 --> 09:20.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO COME BACK TO 09:20.900 --> 09:23.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IT FROM A PLACE OF PRIDE WHICH 09:23.433 --> 09:24.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IS HOW I RECONNECTED WITH MY 09:24.733 --> 09:27.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% RELIGION WAS FROM THE PLACE OF 09:27.266 --> 09:28.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PRIDE. 09:28.066 --> 09:30.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> HOW ARE YOU GETTING THE WORD 09:30.000 --> 09:30.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% OUT? 09:30.900 --> 09:32.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> JUST BASIC WORD OF MOUTH AND 09:32.833 --> 09:35.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TRYING TO RAISE AWARENESS. 09:35.500 --> 09:36.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WE DID WORKSHOPS. 09:36.900 --> 09:40.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IN NIGERIA, THE UNIVERSITY 09:40.133 --> 09:44.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% INVITED ME TO COME AND SPEAK. 09:44.233 --> 09:47.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I'M TRYING TO BE KEEN ON IT'S 09:47.500 --> 09:47.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DEMAND-DRIVEN. 09:47.933 --> 09:50.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I DO NOT GO OUT AND ADVOCATE. 09:50.866 --> 09:52.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I JUST PROMOTE. 09:52.433 --> 09:53.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I PRODUCE MATERIAL. 09:53.400 --> 09:54.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I HAVE A SEX COLUMN ON MUSLIM 09:54.833 --> 09:56.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% GIRL.NET FOR YOUNG MUSLIM WOMEN 09:56.533 --> 09:58.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TO ACCESS. 09:58.933 --> 09:59.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THOSE WHO REACH OUT TO ME ARE 09:59.900 --> 10:02.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THOSE I RESPOND TO. 10:02.033 --> 10:03.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IT IS SUCH A 10:03.233 --> 10:05.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SENSITIVE TOPIC NOT ONE THAT I 10:05.033 --> 10:07.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DO ADVOCACY AROUND. 10:07.700 --> 10:09.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I CREATE SAFE SPACE AND ALLOW 10:09.333 --> 10:11.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PEOPLE TO COME TO. 10:11.300 --> 10:14.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> AND YOU WOULD SAY THAT IN 10:14.366 --> 10:15.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TERMS OF EVEN IN THE UNITED 10:15.433 --> 10:20.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% STATES THE TERMS THE LEVEL OF 10:20.166 --> 10:23.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% EDUCATION THAT MUSLIM GIRLS IN 10:23.133 --> 10:26.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THIS CASE ARE GETTING, ABOUT SEX 10:26.466 --> 10:28.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% EDUCATION AND ABOUT SEX, ABOUT 10:28.766 --> 10:30.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE BIOLOGICAL FUNCTIONS, 10:30.433 --> 10:32.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% EVERYTHING, YOU WOULD SAY IS 10:32.833 --> 10:33.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LOW? 10:33.666 --> 10:35.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> THE LEVEL IS VERY LOW AND IT 10:35.900 --> 10:37.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SEEMS TO BE GETTING WORSE. 10:37.200 --> 10:38.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND I THINK THE BIGGEST 10:38.033 --> 10:39.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CHALLENGE IS THAT THE COMMUNITY 10:39.733 --> 10:42.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AS A WHOLE, INCLUDING OUR TOP 10:42.666 --> 10:45.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMEN LEADERS, INCLUDING ARE 10:45.366 --> 10:46.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% FOCUSED ON FIGHTING 10:46.900 --> 10:47.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ISLAMOPHOBIA. 10:47.333 --> 10:48.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND SO MUCH OF THE FOCUS HAS 10:48.633 --> 10:50.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BEEN EXTERNAL THAT WE HAVE NOT 10:50.633 --> 10:53.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE 10:53.500 --> 10:54.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% INTERNAL GROWTH TO TAKE PLACE. 10:54.866 --> 10:56.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> AND SPEAKING OF EXTERM 10:56.466 --> 10:58.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% REACTION YOU WEAR A HEAD SCARF 10:58.533 --> 10:59.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ALL THE TIME. 10:59.633 --> 11:01.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHAT REACTION DO YOU GET FROM 11:01.400 --> 11:03.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AMERICANS WHEN YOU ARE OUT AND 11:03.766 --> 11:04.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ABOUT? 11:04.466 --> 11:07.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> I MEAN, OVERALL, IT'S BEEN 11:07.366 --> 11:10.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THERE'S BEEN MORE TENSE. 11:10.133 --> 11:13.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AS YOU PROBABLY HEARD OVER THE 11:13.966 --> 11:16.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SPRING THERE WAS AN ATTACK IN 11:16.166 --> 11:16.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% OUR MOSQUE IN YOUNG MUSLIM WOMAN 11:16.966 --> 11:17.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WAS KILLED. 11:17.466 --> 11:19.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND SO THAT HITS HOME FOR A LOT 11:19.433 --> 11:21.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% OF US. 11:21.566 --> 11:23.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IT'S ALMOST -- 11:23.566 --> 11:25.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IT ALMOST BECOMES IRRELEVANT 11:25.933 --> 11:27.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHAT THE REALITY IS BECAUSE WE 11:27.233 --> 11:29.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ARE LIVING IN A CONSTANT FEAR. 11:29.333 --> 11:30.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHY I'M TRYING TO HELP SHIFT US 11:30.766 --> 11:34.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AWAY FROM A PLACE OF FEAR. 11:34.433 --> 11:36.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IT'S BEEN A DIFFICULT TIME AND 11:36.033 --> 11:36.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF 11:36.733 --> 11:38.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CONVERSATIONS AND ONE OF THE 11:38.366 --> 11:39.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% QUESTIONS I GET SHOULD I TAKE 11:39.766 --> 11:41.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% OFF THE SCARF? 11:41.833 --> 11:44.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> WHAT DO YOU SAY? 11:44.333 --> 11:45.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> ALMOST ALL THE RESPONSES THEY 11:45.700 --> 11:46.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% NEED TO TRUST THEMSELVES. 11:46.866 --> 11:48.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% NOBODY CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION 11:48.500 --> 11:49.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% EXCEPT THEMSELVES. 11:49.533 --> 11:53.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I HELP THEM GET IN TOUCH WITH 11:53.266 --> 11:55.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THEIR OWN INTUITION BECAUSE I 11:55.066 --> 11:57.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BELIEVE THE DIVINE SPEAKS TO US. 11:57.300 --> 11:59.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND EACH WOMAN HAS A DIFFERENT 11:59.333 --> 11:59.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ANSWER. 11:59.933 --> 12:03.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> ISN'T IT SEEN AS A RADICAL 12:03.000 --> 12:08.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MESSAGE BY AMERICAN MUSLIMS AND 12:08.600 --> 12:10.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CERTAINLY BY NOT MUSLIMS BUT 12:10.233 --> 12:13.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% EXTREMISTS DO YOU WORRY ABOUT 12:13.133 --> 12:15.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ANY GETTING ATTACKED OR BY 12:15.600 --> 12:18.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SAYING THAT SEXUALITY SHOULD BE 12:18.233 --> 12:20.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ENJOYED, WOMEN SHOULD HAVE IT, 12:20.366 --> 12:22.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SHOULD OWN THEIR OWN SEXUALITY 12:22.100 --> 12:24.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND IT IS A WAY OF GETTING IN 12:24.666 --> 12:27.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TOUCH WITH THE DIVINE, DOESN'T 12:27.066 --> 12:30.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THAT MAKE SOME MEN ANGRY? 12:30.366 --> 12:33.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> I WILL BE HONEST THIS TRIP TO 12:33.366 --> 12:35.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% NORTHERN NIGERIA AND THIS 12:35.100 --> 12:36.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PROJECT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE 12:36.733 --> 12:39.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SCARIEST THAT I'VE DONE IN A 12:39.233 --> 12:39.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LONGTIME. 12:39.933 --> 12:43.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I WAS THERE JUST RIGHT AFTER THE 12:43.433 --> 12:44.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BOKO HARAM GIRLS WERE RELEASED 12:44.433 --> 12:45.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BY BOKO HARAM. 12:45.600 --> 12:47.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IT WAS A VERY EXCITING TIME TO 12:47.733 --> 12:49.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BE THERE AS A SMALL WINDOW OF 12:49.266 --> 12:51.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% OPPORTUNITY WAS OPENING UP. 12:51.500 --> 12:52.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BUT THIS PROJECT AND YOU KNOW 12:52.966 --> 12:54.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE WORK THAT I'VE DONE WHICH 12:54.133 --> 12:57.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% INCLUDES IRAQ, SOUTH SUBBAN THIS 12:57.533 --> 12:59.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IS THE ONE THAT FRIGHTENS ME THE 12:59.733 --> 13:00.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MOST. 13:00.100 --> 13:02.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I'M NOT UNAWARE OF THE CHALLENGE 13:02.900 --> 13:03.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THAT COMES. 13:03.633 --> 13:05.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND I WOULD SAY NOT JUST MUSLIM 13:05.066 --> 13:07.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMEN BUT THE QUESTION ON WOMEN 13:07.300 --> 13:08.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% OWNING THEIR SEXUALITY AND 13:08.500 --> 13:11.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AGAIN, FROM A PLACE OF 13:11.233 --> 13:13.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CONNECTING WITH THE DIVINE, IS A 13:13.200 --> 13:14.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% VERY HIT ON PARTICIPATE ARKY. 13:14.900 --> 13:17.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I DON'T THINK IT'S ONLY MUSLIM 13:17.100 --> 13:18.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MEN ANYONE INVESTED IN 13:18.266 --> 13:21.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PATRIARCHKY WOULD BE UPSET. 13:21.766 --> 13:23.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> HOW WOULD YOU DEAL WITH IT 13:23.766 --> 13:27.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IF YOU WERE THREATENED? 13:27.000 --> 13:30.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> I HAVE BEEN THREATENED. 13:30.066 --> 13:32.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IN NORTHERN NIGERIA I WAS TOLD 13:32.666 --> 13:37.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% YOU CANNOT TAKE THAT ROAD TRIP. 13:37.233 --> 13:39.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND THEY WILL NOT DRIVE THAT 13:39.066 --> 13:39.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ROAD. 13:39.366 --> 13:40.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SO YOU KNOW, I AM AHE NOT MY 13:40.733 --> 13:42.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% NORTHEAST ABOUT SECURITY I TAKE 13:42.166 --> 13:44.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SECURITY VERY SERIOUSLY. 13:44.166 --> 13:46.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I DO EVERY THREE YEARS HOSTILE 13:46.066 --> 13:48.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ENVIRONMENT TRAINING AND TAKE IT 13:48.500 --> 13:48.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SERIOUSLY. 13:48.866 --> 13:50.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I'VE LOST TOO MANY WOMEN FRIENDS 13:50.800 --> 13:52.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND ALLIES TO SECURITY 13:52.600 --> 13:53.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SITUATIONS. 13:53.366 --> 13:57.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AS YOU KNOW BACK DOWN IS NOT AN 13:57.366 --> 13:57.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% OPTION. 13:57.700 --> 13:59.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND AGAIN, I REALLY WORRY THAT 13:59.100 --> 14:01.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMEN HAVE BEEN CORNERED INTO A 14:01.133 --> 14:02.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PLACE WHERE WE ARE JUST 14:02.766 --> 14:03.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% FIGHTING. 14:03.133 --> 14:04.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND I WANT TO BUILD THE JOY AND 14:04.600 --> 14:05.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE RESILIENCE IN US AGAIN. 14:05.700 --> 14:06.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL 14:06.733 --> 14:08.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PARTS OF THE FEMININE AND IT 14:08.966 --> 14:12.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MAKES ME SAD WE ARE STUCK IN A 14:12.933 --> 14:16.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BATTLE WHICH I HONOR ALL THOSE 14:16.066 --> 14:17.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% FIGHTING FOR WOMEN'S RIGHTS. 14:17.833 --> 14:19.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I DO AS SOMEONE WHO SPENT 20 14:19.066 --> 14:21.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% YEARS THERE AS WELL BUT IT'S 14:21.000 --> 14:22.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TIME FOR US TO UNPLUG FROM THE 14:22.400 --> 14:25.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WAR MACHINE AND CONFLICT MACHINE 14:25.600 --> 14:27.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND TALK ABOUT THE POWER OF 14:27.100 --> 14:29.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMEN FROM A PLACE OF JOY. 14:29.933 --> 14:31.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THAT IS A HARD SELL ESPECIALLY 14:31.366 --> 14:32.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IN THIS DAY AND AGE BUT SOMEONE 14:32.866 --> 14:34.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% HAS TO RING THAT BELL. 14:34.600 --> 14:36.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> WHEN YOU SAY AND YOU DO SAY 14:36.866 --> 14:40.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMEN ARE GOING BACKWARD. 14:40.300 --> 14:41.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% RATES OF FEMALE GENITAL 14:41.300 --> 14:44.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MUTILATION IN THE UNITED STATES 14:44.366 --> 14:46.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ARE GOING UP. 14:46.933 --> 14:49.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% OBVIOUSLY WELL TEEN PREGNANCIES 14:49.433 --> 14:51.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TO THIS POINT HAVE BEEN GOING 14:51.766 --> 14:52.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DOWN. 14:52.066 --> 14:53.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BUT BIRTHS TO UNWED MOTHERS ARE 14:53.866 --> 14:56.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SKYROCKETING ALL OVER THE PLACE. 14:56.900 --> 14:59.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SO WHAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS? 14:59.366 --> 15:01.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHY ARE WOMEN AND PAY EQUITY IS 15:01.766 --> 15:04.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% NOT ADVANCING AS WE THOUGHT IT 15:04.666 --> 15:05.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOULD? 15:05.333 --> 15:07.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT THE 15:07.066 --> 15:07.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ROOT IS. 15:07.700 --> 15:08.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY 15:08.633 --> 15:09.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT ARE 15:09.633 --> 15:11.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PLAYING INTO IT. 15:11.266 --> 15:12.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT 15:12.333 --> 15:13.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I'M TRYING TO DO FOR MYSELF IS 15:13.933 --> 15:15.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SAYING OK WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN 15:15.333 --> 15:17.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE LAST 20 YEARS HAS NOT 15:17.100 --> 15:17.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WORKED. 15:17.433 --> 15:18.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND THAT IS NOT A FAIR STATEMENT 15:18.733 --> 15:20.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IT'S WORKED SIGNIFICANTLY AND 15:20.233 --> 15:24.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% GOTTEN US FAR. 15:24.133 --> 15:25.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BUT WE MIGHT WANT TO THINK OF A 15:25.266 --> 15:26.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% NEW TRAGEDY TO TAKE US TO THE 15:26.700 --> 15:27.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% NEXT LEVEL. 15:27.566 --> 15:29.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THAT IS WHERE I THINK A LOT OF 15:29.300 --> 15:32.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE EFFORTS THAT I'M TRYING TO 15:32.966 --> 15:33.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MAKE. 15:33.266 --> 15:34.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IT'S ALWAYS HARD WHEN YOU ARE 15:34.066 --> 15:35.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TALKING ABOUT NUMBERS TO SAY IS 15:35.366 --> 15:39.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IT THE RE7 OR THE INCREASE. 15:39.166 --> 15:41.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BUT WE KNOW IN MINNEAPOLIS AND 15:41.866 --> 15:44.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DETROIT AND VIRGINIA WE HAVE HAD 15:44.966 --> 15:47.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AN INCREASE OF CONVERSATIONS 15:47.433 --> 15:49.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AROUND FGM AND WE'RE TRYING TO 15:49.200 --> 15:53.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% RAISE THE AWARENESS HOW MUCH -- 15:53.100 --> 15:55.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IT'S BEYOND PHYSICAL ABUSE. 15:55.100 --> 15:56.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IT COMPLETELY DISCONNECTS A 15:56.766 --> 15:57.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMAN FROM HER BODY AND THERE 15:57.866 --> 15:59.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ARE SO MANY EXAMPLES OF 15:59.200 --> 16:02.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PRACTICES THAT DO THAT. 16:02.033 --> 16:02.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WE'RE LAUNCHING THE 16:02.566 --> 16:04.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CONVERSATIONS AND AGAIN WE'RE 16:04.133 --> 16:05.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TRYING TO DO IT FROM A SEX 16:05.133 --> 16:06.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% POSITIVE ANGLE. 16:06.533 --> 16:10.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BUT ALL 100% USING ISLAMIC 16:10.433 --> 16:10.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% FRAMEWORK. 16:10.933 --> 16:12.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SO IT'S ALL BASED ON THE QURAN. 16:12.666 --> 16:15.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT REVIVAL OR 16:15.300 --> 16:18.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% REINTERPRETATION, THE ARGUMENT 16:18.100 --> 16:19.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IS IT'S THERE WE JUST DON'T KNOW 16:19.700 --> 16:21.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% OUR OWN RELIGION. 16:21.133 --> 16:25.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> WHAT INFLUENCE IS THE TRUMP 16:25.133 --> 16:29.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PRESIDENCY HAVING ON WHERE 16:29.066 --> 16:31.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ISLAMIC GIRLS IN THE UNITED 16:31.500 --> 16:33.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% STATES ARE GOING? 16:33.400 --> 16:37.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IS IT PUSHING THEM BACK? 16:37.100 --> 16:38.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IS IT MAKING THEM MILITANTS 16:38.700 --> 16:41.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MOVING FORWARD? 16:41.266 --> 16:42.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> IT IS A COMBINATION. 16:42.233 --> 16:43.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IT'S HARD TO REALLY SAY. 16:43.966 --> 16:45.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BUT I THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING 16:45.166 --> 16:46.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THAT WE ARE STILL STRUGGLING 16:46.966 --> 16:47.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WITH. 16:47.266 --> 16:48.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% YOU HAVE AS WITH MOST SOCIAL 16:48.833 --> 16:50.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MOVEMENTS THE MUSLIM WOMEN ARE 16:50.266 --> 16:55.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AT THE FRONTLINES, CARRYING THE 16:55.300 --> 16:57.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% FLAG OF THE COMMUNITY AS A 16:57.366 --> 16:57.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHOLE. 16:57.766 --> 17:00.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHICH DOES NOT YOU KNOW, IS NOT 17:00.000 --> 17:03.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SAW IN 17:03.300 --> 17:04.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% UP AT THE FRONTLINES. 17:04.633 --> 17:06.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BUT WE KNOW THAT IS NEVER A 17:06.000 --> 17:07.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% GUARANTEE TO DECISION MAKING OR 17:07.633 --> 17:12.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CHANGE ON A MORE DAY-TO-DAY 17:12.433 --> 17:12.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LEVEL. 17:12.733 --> 17:15.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SO PATRIARCH LOVES FEMALE 17:15.400 --> 17:15.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MASCOTS. 17:15.733 --> 17:18.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF 17:18.333 --> 17:20.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THAT SIDE AS WELL. 17:20.500 --> 17:24.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ON THE COMMUNITY LEVEL, I WORRY 17:24.066 --> 17:26.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE MOSQUE THAT 17:26.733 --> 17:28.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I GO TO WHERE THIS YOUNG WOMAN 17:28.133 --> 17:30.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WAS KILLED, THE QUESTION IS: DO 17:30.066 --> 17:33.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WE BRING BACK MALE COMPANION? 17:33.700 --> 17:35.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% HOW DO WE -- 17:35.466 --> 17:36.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% YOU HAVE SELF-DEFENSE CLASSES 17:36.833 --> 17:38.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THAT ARE BEING OFFERED WHICH 17:38.000 --> 17:40.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WORRIES ME BECAUSE ONE OF THE 17:40.233 --> 17:41.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THINGS I DO WHEN I DO HOSTILE 17:41.366 --> 17:42.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ENVIRONMENT TRAINING IS WARN 17:42.366 --> 17:43.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMEN NOT TO HAVE A FALSE SENSE 17:43.633 --> 17:44.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% OF CONFIDENCE. 17:44.833 --> 17:46.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SITUATIONAL AWARENESS IS MORE 17:46.333 --> 17:48.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IMPORTANT THAN THINKING THAT YOU 17:48.000 --> 17:49.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CAN ATTACK. 17:49.300 --> 17:51.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE ISSUES I NEVER THOUGHT WE 17:51.766 --> 17:54.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOULD HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS IN 17:54.100 --> 17:55.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AMERICA AND LEADING TRAINING FOR 17:55.200 --> 17:58.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% YOUNG WOMEN ON THAT. 17:58.133 --> 18:00.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LIKE WHEN I FIRST WAS LOOKING AT 18:00.200 --> 18:02.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ACROSS RED LINES MY DREAM WAS TO 18:02.466 --> 18:04.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LEAP FORWARD. 18:04.166 --> 18:06.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND I'M FINDING US BARELY ABLE 18:06.766 --> 18:09.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TO KEEP STATUS QUO. 18:09.033 --> 18:10.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> THAT IS REALLY SAD TO HEAR. 18:10.833 --> 18:13.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S HAPPENING IN 18:13.533 --> 18:15.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. 18:15.266 --> 18:15.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> ABSOLUTELY. 18:15.800 --> 18:17.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> NOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT ISIS. 18:17.366 --> 18:21.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SO YOU WERE RECRUITED ON-LINE BY 18:21.133 --> 18:23.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% A PREDECESSOR TO ISIS WHEN YOU 18:23.266 --> 18:26.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WERE A TEENAGER IN THE 90s. 18:26.266 --> 18:29.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TELL ME ABOUT THIS. 18:29.000 --> 18:30.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND NOW THAT THEY ARE LOSING 18:30.700 --> 18:32.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CONTROL, LOSING GROUND, 18:32.800 --> 18:35.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LITERALLY, IN SYRIA AND OTHER 18:35.266 --> 18:38.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PLACES, AND ESTIMATES I'VE HEARD 18:38.300 --> 18:39.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ESTIMATES THAT THEIR NUMBERS ARE 18:39.933 --> 18:42.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SHRINKING, IS THIS TRUE IN TERMS 18:42.766 --> 18:45.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% OF THEIR ON-LINE RECRUITMENT? 18:45.000 --> 18:45.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> I MEAN -- 18:45.700 --> 18:47.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> AND ESPECIALLY OF GIRLS. 18:47.666 --> 18:50.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS IS IN 18:50.700 --> 18:53.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE 90s I WAS ON RELAY CHAT 18:53.366 --> 18:55.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND YOU WOULD FIND THE CHATROOMS 18:55.266 --> 18:58.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND THERE WAS I THINK IT WOULD 18:58.200 --> 18:59.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BE ENGAGEMENT NEVER USE 18:59.466 --> 19:01.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% RECRUITMENT WHERE THEY WERE 19:01.266 --> 19:05.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ENGAGING AND BUILDING AND THEY 19:05.633 --> 19:06.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ARE 20 YEARS AHEAD. 19:06.633 --> 19:08.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THEY ARE NOT THINKING AND THE 19:08.766 --> 19:11.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THEY SHIFTS AND CHANGES. 19:11.466 --> 19:12.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% I COMPARE IT TO A VIRUS THAT 19:12.666 --> 19:14.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MUTATES AND GETS STRONGER AND 19:14.433 --> 19:16.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BARBARIC IN DIFFERENT FORMS BUT 19:16.833 --> 19:18.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DIFFERENT GRIEVANCES HAVE BEEN 19:18.400 --> 19:22.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AROUND FOR A LONGTIME. 19:22.766 --> 19:25.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT MY 19:25.000 --> 19:26.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THEORY IS THAT AS THEY LOSE 19:26.033 --> 19:27.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TERRITORY THEY GO BACK TO THE 19:27.533 --> 19:29.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ON-LINE AND CYBER RECRUITMENTS 19:29.300 --> 19:29.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MORE STRONGLY. 19:29.900 --> 19:33.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND WHAT I'VE SEEN IS IT'S MUCH 19:33.166 --> 19:35.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MORE TARGETED TOWARDS WOMEN AND 19:35.000 --> 19:37.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% EMPOWERING FORM TOWARDS WOMEN. 19:37.166 --> 19:39.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THEY HAVE WOMEN WHO ARE GENERALS 19:39.000 --> 19:40.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LEADING BRIGADES. 19:40.266 --> 19:42.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND THEY HAVE WOMEN THAT ARE 19:42.033 --> 19:44.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BEING CALLED INTO THE MOTHERS OF 19:44.566 --> 19:47.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE BELIEVERS TO HAVE YOU COULD 19:47.666 --> 19:50.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BE THE MOTHER OF THE NEXT 19:50.133 --> 19:51.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SULTAN. 19:51.066 --> 19:52.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IT IS AN INDICATION THAT THEY 19:52.400 --> 19:54.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ARE PLANNING 15-20 YEARS AHEAD. 19:54.733 --> 19:56.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT RAISING 19:56.333 --> 19:58.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE NEXT GENERATION OF WARRIORS 19:58.633 --> 20:00.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% NOT JUST ABOUT FIGHTING THIS 20:00.866 --> 20:01.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WAR. 20:01.133 --> 20:02.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND THIS IS ALWAYS THE CHALLENGE 20:02.966 --> 20:06.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHEN IT'S IDEOLOGICAL WARFARE. 20:06.166 --> 20:08.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> AND WE'VE SEEN MANY THOUSANDS 20:08.033 --> 20:11.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% OF EXAMPLES OF YOUNG GIRLS BEING 20:11.166 --> 20:13.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% RECRUITED TO ISIS AND SOME OF 20:13.066 --> 20:15.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THEM LATER BEING ABLE TO ESCAPE. 20:15.833 --> 20:18.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BUT WHAT WOULD MAKE A YOUNG 20:18.933 --> 20:24.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ISLAMIC GIRL WANT TO JOIN? 20:24.000 --> 20:25.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> IT'S EXACTLY WHAT I UNPACKED 20:25.466 --> 20:27.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IN THE ARTICLE I WAS WRITING ON 20:27.333 --> 20:28.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CNN BECAUSE I WAS HAVING A HARD 20:28.900 --> 20:30.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TIME ASKING THAT QUESTION 20:30.300 --> 20:32.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ESPECIALLY AFTER THE INTERVIEWS. 20:32.866 --> 20:36.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IT IS SUCH A BARBARIC FORM OF 20:36.800 --> 20:37.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LIVING. 20:37.133 --> 20:38.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME 20:38.800 --> 20:41.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% OUT ONE FROM THE RECRUITMENT AND 20:41.066 --> 20:42.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE WOMEN MAKING THE ARGUMENT, 20:42.733 --> 20:45.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IF YOU ARE IN A SMALL VILLAGE IN 20:45.633 --> 20:48.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% NORTHERN IRAQ OR SOME REMOTE 20:48.500 --> 20:50.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AREA AND YOU HAVE NO DECISION 20:50.233 --> 20:52.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MAKING CAPACITY ABOUT YOUR LIFE, 20:52.266 --> 20:53.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHO YOU MARRY, WHO YOU GO TO 20:53.400 --> 20:56.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SCHOOL AND YOU SEE THIS VIDEO 20:56.300 --> 20:57.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHERE YOU ARE NOT ONLY GOING TO 20:57.500 --> 20:59.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% HAVE A DECISION YOU WILL BE IN 20:59.966 --> 21:00.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CONTROL. 21:00.300 --> 21:01.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND IN SOME CASES THEY ARE 21:01.333 --> 21:02.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LEADING MEN. 21:02.533 --> 21:04.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND SO WHICH LIFE ARE YOU GOING 21:04.066 --> 21:06.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TO CHOOSE? 21:06.833 --> 21:08.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND THAT ANGLE OF EMPOWERMENT IS 21:08.533 --> 21:10.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AN ANGLE WE CONTINUOUSLY MISS 21:10.333 --> 21:11.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND WE ARE GREAT AT DESCRIBING 21:11.866 --> 21:14.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMEN AS THE VICTIMS AND NOT IN 21:14.533 --> 21:16.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ANY EMPOWERING WAY. 21:16.166 --> 21:18.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BUT WE AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE THE 21:18.166 --> 21:19.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ROLE AS VICTIM. 21:19.600 --> 21:21.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WE MISS THE ROLE AS 21:21.333 --> 21:21.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PERPETRATORS. 21:21.766 --> 21:24.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND ISIS HAS DEFINITELY FULLY 21:24.266 --> 21:27.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AWARE AND PLAYING UP THE ROLE AS 21:27.366 --> 21:28.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PERPETRATOR TO CONTROL. 21:28.866 --> 21:30.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHEN YOU LOOK LIKE WE WERE 21:30.733 --> 21:31.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TALKING ABOUT HOW THE DAY-TO-DAY 21:31.733 --> 21:37.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LIFE IS FOR A WOMAN THEN IT 21:37.700 --> 21:39.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BECOMES A MORE TEMPTING PACKAGE. 21:39.800 --> 21:41.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND IN MOST CASES THE WOMEN 21:41.200 --> 21:44.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CHOOSE THE MEN RECRUITING. 21:44.166 --> 21:45.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THEY CHOOSE WHO THEY MARRY IT'S 21:45.400 --> 21:47.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% NOT THE OPPOSITE. 21:47.100 --> 21:47.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> SERIOUSLY? 21:47.600 --> 21:51.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WOMEN CHOOSE THE MEN IN ISIS? 21:51.233 --> 21:54.033 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE MEN HAVE MORE THAN ONE WIFE. 21:54.033 --> 21:55.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> YOU CAN STILL CHOOSE TO BE A 21:55.333 --> 21:57.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SECOND OR A THIRD WIFE. 21:57.333 --> 22:00.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND AGAIN WHAT THEY HAVE DONE 22:00.100 --> 22:01.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IT'S NOT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT 22:01.366 --> 22:02.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WE'VE SEEN THROUGHOUT HISTORY OF 22:02.900 --> 22:04.233 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE WHORE AND THE MADONNA. 22:04.233 --> 22:06.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THEY HAVE THE SEX SLAVES AND 22:06.266 --> 22:09.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THEY HAVE ABSOLUTE BARBARIC 22:09.200 --> 22:10.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ABUSE OF WOMEN IN THE MOST 22:10.633 --> 22:12.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% HEINOUS WAYS. 22:12.300 --> 22:13.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THEY USE SEXUAL VIOLENCE AS A 22:13.800 --> 22:16.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WAY OF BREAKING COMMUNITIES AND 22:16.733 --> 22:18.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THEY HAVE A STRATEGY HOW DO YOU 22:18.300 --> 22:20.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DEAL WITH THE MADONNA AND THE 22:20.833 --> 22:23.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ULTIMATE, THE HIGHEST WOMAN. 22:23.266 --> 22:24.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% FROM THE INTERVIEWS THEY ARE 22:24.366 --> 22:26.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% LIVING IN PALACES. 22:26.466 --> 22:27.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THEY HAVE ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT 22:27.866 --> 22:28.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% YOU CAN IMAGINE. 22:28.433 --> 22:29.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THEY ARE TREATED LIKE WIVES OF 22:29.766 --> 22:30.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SULTAN. 22:30.100 --> 22:32.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHAT WHAT HAPPENS THEY WILL SAY 22:32.900 --> 22:35.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THIS IS THE GROOM I WANT LIKE I 22:35.200 --> 22:37.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WANT TO BE THE WIFE OF THIS 22:37.500 --> 22:37.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% GENERAL. 22:37.833 --> 22:40.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND ONE OR TWO WIVES, MOST OF 22:40.933 --> 22:42.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE RECRUITMENT VIDEOS THE 22:42.866 --> 22:44.666 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% POSTERS THAT THEY HAVE ARE JUST 22:44.666 --> 22:45.066 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% FRIGHTENING. 22:45.066 --> 22:46.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BUT IT IS A VERY MUCH PROMOTING 22:46.966 --> 22:49.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% FOUR WIVES AT THE OPPORTUNITY 22:49.966 --> 22:52.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MALL AND THEY HAVE A DIAGRAM ONE 22:52.100 --> 22:55.266 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WIFE TWO KIDS. 22:55.266 --> 22:58.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND THE TOP OF THE POSTER IS 22:58.866 --> 23:00.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% HELP US BUILD THE COMMUNITY. 23:00.166 --> 23:02.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> BUT I'VE ALSO READ WITH THE 23:02.866 --> 23:04.566 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% YOUNG MEN THEY DO NOT WANT THEM 23:04.566 --> 23:06.966 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TO GET MARRIED AND HAVE CHILDREN 23:06.966 --> 23:08.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BECAUSE THAT WILL MAKE THEM WANT 23:08.633 --> 23:10.366 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TO RISK THEIR LIVES ON THE FIELD 23:10.366 --> 23:13.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% OF BATTLE LESS SO. 23:13.466 --> 23:15.400 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> IT'S DIFFERENT STRATEGIES. 23:15.400 --> 23:18.933 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IF YOU ARE TRYING TO CREATE THE 23:18.933 --> 23:20.700 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% DIFFERENT WIVES OF THE SULTAN 23:20.700 --> 23:21.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THEN YOU WILL BE MARRYING THEM 23:21.733 --> 23:23.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TO YOUR TOP GENERALS NOT THE 23:23.800 --> 23:25.433 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% YOUNG BOYS FIGHTING THE FIGHT OR 23:25.433 --> 23:26.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE SUICIDE BOMBERS. 23:26.333 --> 23:29.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BECAUSE THE GOAL IS 23:29.766 --> 23:30.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% REPRODUCTION. 23:30.200 --> 23:33.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% SO, YES, IT IS A DIFFERENCE. 23:33.200 --> 23:35.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> ARE THEY REPRODUCING? 23:35.100 --> 23:37.166 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% YOU ARE SAYING ESSENTIALLY THAT 23:37.166 --> 23:39.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ISIS IS STILL 20 YEARS AHEAD OF 23:39.533 --> 23:41.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% US WHEN IT COMES TO ON-LINE 23:41.600 --> 23:44.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% RECRUITMENT AND KEEPING BUILDING 23:44.500 --> 23:45.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THEIR NUMBERS. 23:45.533 --> 23:46.733 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> I THINK WHAT -- 23:46.733 --> 23:48.833 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% IT'S HARD BECAUSE AGAIN WHAT 23:48.833 --> 23:50.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MIGHT END UP IN 20 YEARS MIGHT 23:50.200 --> 23:52.200 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% BE A COMPLETE ISIS MIGHT BE THE 23:52.200 --> 23:54.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MODERATE THE SAME WAY THAT 23:54.800 --> 23:56.333 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% PEOPLE NOW LOOK AT AL-QAEDA AND 23:56.333 --> 23:58.000 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE VALUES 23:58.000 --> 23:59.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND PRINCIPLES THAT THEY LED BY. 23:59.866 --> 24:02.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% WHO THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A 24:02.100 --> 24:02.600 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% CONVERSATION? 24:02.600 --> 24:04.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% MY WORRY IS WE ARE MOVING 24:04.133 --> 24:06.866 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TOWARDS MORE AND MORE EXTREME 24:06.866 --> 24:07.466 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% FORMS. 24:07.466 --> 24:09.533 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% AND SO YOU KNOW, I DON'T 24:09.533 --> 24:12.766 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% NECESSARILY THINK IT WILL BE 24:12.766 --> 24:14.633 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ISIS IN 20 YEARS. 24:14.633 --> 24:17.100 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% >> I WISH YOU ALL GOOD LUCK IN 24:17.100 --> 24:18.900 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% EDUCATING YOUNG ISLAMIC GIRLS 24:18.900 --> 24:21.300 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% ABOUT SEX AND ABOUT THEIR RIGHT 24:21.300 --> 24:22.800 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% TO ENJOY SEX. 24:22.800 --> 24:24.500 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THAT'S IT FOR THIS EDITION OF TO 24:24.500 --> 24:25.133 align:left position:10%,start line:77% size:80% THE CONTRARY. 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