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>>> BEHIND THIS HEADLINES FOR

THIS FATHER'S DAY HOW WOMENS

EQUALITY ELEVATES MEN.

>>> WELCOME TO TO THE CONTRARY.

A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND CULTURE

TRENDS.

UP FIRST, GENDER ISSUES IN THE

2020 ELECTIONS.

ACCORDING TO A JUNE MORNING

CONSULT POLL, 14% OF DEMOCRATIC

VOTERS RATE WOMENS ISSUES AS A

TOP PRIORITY.

THAT'S UP FROM 6% IN MAY.

AN INCREASE FOLLOWS A JUMP IN

THE NUMBER OF STATES PASSIONING

LAWS SEVERELY LIMITING WOMENS

REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS WHICH HAS IN

TURN SPARKED A GROWING NUMBER OF

AMERICANS WHO WANT TO DEFEND

ABORTION RIGHTS AGAINST THE

STATE ONSLAUGHT.

HARRIS WANTS TO PUT A CHECK ON

THE ABILITY OF ANY STATE TO

ENACT LAWS CONTRADICTING ROE

WHILE GILLIGRAND IS IMPOSING

FUNDING TO ACCESS TO

REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CENTERS IN

EVERY STATE BUT WITH SIX WOMEN

RUNNING FOR THE NOMINATION THERE

HAS BEEN A FOCUS ON OTHER

MATERNAL ISSUES SUCH AS EQUAL

PAY AND MA TERN MORTALITY.

>> WILL WOMENS ISSUES FINALLY

PLAY A LARGE ROLE IN THE 2020

ELECTION MORE SO THAN IN RECENT

YEARS.

>> BONNIE, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY

SEEN THE PROLOGUE.

IT IS WOMEN WHO ARE CHIEFLY

RESPONSIBLE FOR FLIPPING THE

HOUSE THIS YEAR.

>> I THINK IT'S ABOUT TIME

ALTHOUGH I THINK THEY'VE PLAYED

A BIG ISSUE BEFORE BACK IN 92.

WOMEN'S VOTES DID SWING THE

ELECTION AWAY FROM GEORGE BUSH

THE FIRST SO IT'S NOT THE FIRST

TIME BUT IT'S TIME TO SEE IT

MORE.

>> MILLIONS OF WOMEN MARCHING IN

THE STREETS ARE NOT WRONG AND I

THINK WE'LL CONTINUE TO SEE

GENDER BE DECISIVE IN THIS

PRIMARY.

>> WELL, CERTAINLY GENDER ISSUES

ARE IMPORTANT BUT ALL ISSUES ARE

WOMENS ISSUES AND THAT GOES FROM

HEALTHCARE DOWN TO THE ECONOMY

AND I THINK THOSE WILL STILL

TRUMP SOME OF THESE

GENDER-RELATED ISSUES.

>> RIGHT.

BUT THE STEREOTYPICAL IF YOU

WILL WOMANS ISSUE WHICH, YOU

KNOW, WAXES AND WANES IN TERMS

OF IMPORTANCE RIGHT NOW IS

EXTREMELY MORONITY NOT BECAUSE

ANYTHING THE LEFT IS DOING BUT

BECAUSE THE RIGHT IS SO

AGGRESSIVELY TRYING TO GET ROW

OVERTURNED.

IS THAT -- ROE OVERTURNED.

IS THAT WHY WOMENS ISSUES ARE

MORE IMPORTANT?

>> IT'S CERTAINLY WHY THEY'RE ON

THE FRONT PAGE.

I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE

DEMOCRATIC SIDE PARTICULARLY

WOMEN THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT IS

THIS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO

DISAPPEAR.

BUT WE ARE STILL VERY FAR OUT

FROM 2020 AND WHAT COULD HAPPEN

IN THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF

WOULD BE REMARKABLE.

PARTICULARLY IF SOMETHING

NEGATIVE HAPPENS IN THE ECONOMY

OR SOMETHING HAPPENS ON THE

FOREIGN POLICY SCENE THAT NO ONE

EXPECTED.

WHILE RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS LIKE

THESE ARE BIG ISSUES, I HESITATE

TO SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE

DECISIVE FACTORS IN 2020.

>> BUT THE ABORTION ISSUE, THIS

IS NOT -- THIS WAS NOT A GOOD

MOVE IN THESE STATES TO --

>> BY THE RIGHT YOU MEAN.

>> BY THE RIGHT WHO ARE TRYING

TO PROP UP THE ABORTION ISSUE.

THE ABORTION ISSUE IS A FAIRLY

SETTLED ISSUE IN OUR COUNTRY.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE A TURN

AROUND ON ABORTION AND BY COMING

FORWARD WITH THE MOST EXTREME

VERSIONS OF ABORTION, WHAT THAT

HAS DONE IS TAKE AN ISSUE WHICH

HAS NOT REALLY BEEN TOP TIER FOR

DEMOCRAT

DEMOCRATS.

REPUBLICANS HAVE HAD ABORTION A

TOP TIER ISSUE AND NOW THEY'RE

MAKING IT A TOP TIER FOR

DEMOCRATS AND THAT'S WHAT I FIND

AMAZE SGLG THE HEARTBEAT BILL

WAS -- WHEN IT HIT GEORGIA.

ALABAMA, THAT WAS A WHOLE OTHER

THING.

PAT ROBERTSON THINKS IT'S TOO

EXTREME.

I WOULD SAY THAT MAKES IT TOO

EXTREME.

>> BUT WILL YOUR PARTISAN VOTERS

AGREE WITH YOU?

DO YOU SEE REPUBLICAN MODERATE

REPUBLICANS STRAYING TO THE

DEMOCRATIC SIDE BECAUSE OF THE

EXTREME ACTIONS OF THE RELIGIOUS

RIGHT IN THE SOUTH?

>> I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS OFF

CAMERA.

I'VE SEEN SOMETHING VERY

INTERESTING.

SINCE GOVERNOR NORTHERN MADE

THOSE COMMENTS ABOUT POST BIRTH

ABORTIONS, I'VE ACTUALLY SEEN A

LOT OF PRO-CHOICE REPUBLICANS

HORRIFIED IN SEEING THEM RETHINK

THEIR POSITION ON ABORTION AND

BE LESS ACTIVE ON IT BECAUSE OF

IT.

THEY HAD A REALLY CHILLING

EFFECT ON PRO-CHOICE

REPUBLICANS.

>> THAT'S A DISGUSTING

MISCHARACTERIZIZATION OF WHAT

THE GOVERNOR SPOKE ABOUT AND

THAT KIND OF RHETORIC ENCOURAGES

VIOLENCE AGAINST ABORTION

PROWIREDS AND THERE SHOULD BE NO

DISCOURSE LIKE THAT.

>> NOTHING I SAID WAS

INFLAMMATORY.

>> TO GO BACK TO --

>> WAIT A SECOND.

WHAT DO YOU SAY THAT HE SAID?

>> WELL, WHAT ANNE JUST SAID WAS

POST BIRTH ABORTION.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A

PROCEDURE.

>> HE ADDRESSED IT.

>> THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A

PROCEDURE.

>> HE ADDRESSED IT.

>> THE GOVERNOR MADE COMMENTS

ABOUT HORRIFIC SITUATIONS THAT

SOME FAMILIES FACE WHERE

CHILDREN ARE BORN VERY MUCH

WANTED AND LOVED CHILDREN ARE

BORN AND THEY CANNOT SURVIVE AND

IT'S AN NEO NATAL HOSPICE

SITUATION AND THAT HAS BEEN

TURNED AROUND.

THE PRESIDENT IS GOING AROUND

THE COUNTRY MAKING UP LIES AND

MAKING IT ESSENTIALLY CASTING

DOUBT ON EXPECTANT PARENTS GOING

INTO THE LABOR AND DELIVERY ROOM

AROUND THE NATION.

IT'S DISGUSTING.

IT HAS NO PLACE IN DISCOURSE BUT

I WANT TO GO BACK --

>> WAIT.

I WANT TO SAY ONE THING THOUGH

AND I WANT TO GET ON TO THE

INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATES AND WHERE

THEY ARE ON THIS ISSUE BUT I'VE

TALKED TO MANY MODERATE

REPUBLICANS NOT ONE OF THEM IT'S

INTERESTING HAS BROUGHT UP --

HAS BROUGHT UP THAT ISSUE BUT

THEY'RE ALL SAYING BECAUSE --

IT'S LIKE THAT KIND OF -- THEY

DID NOT SEE THAT.

THEY DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO

THAT.

WHAT THEY ARE FOCUSING ON IS ALL

THESE LAWS AND THEY'RE SAYING

I'M GOING TO BE FORCED TO VOTE.

USUALLY I'M INDEPENDENT.

I'M GOING TO BE FORCED TO VOTE

DEMOCRATIC BECAUSE THE PARTY HAS

GONE SO CRAZY.

>> YEAH.

I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT.

ALL THOSE LAWS ARE GOING TO GET

OVERTURNED AND NOT GO FORWARD

BUT TO SAY BE INFLAMMATORY.

I DIDN'T MAKE UP THESE COMMENTS.

WE HAVE VIDEO OF WHAT HE SAID

AND I WAS SHOCKED.

I GOT LETTERED.

I TALKED TO PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST

HORRIFIED AND IT SURPRISED ME

HOW MUCH IT MOVED PEOPLE.

>> ALL RIGHT.

BACK TO WHERE I INTERRUPTED.

>> YEAH.

I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT

THE REAL ISSUE THAT'S FACING

THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE A RADICAL ANTIABORTION

MOVEMENT THAT IS DEEPLY OUT OF

STEP WITH THE OPINIONS OF THIS

COUNTRY.

REPUBLICANS ARE DRASTICALLY

OVERREACHING AND THE REAL ISSUE

IS THAT THEY HATE WOMEN.

THEY HATE WOMEN.

>> NO THEY DON'T.

>> THEY DO.

>> THAT'S TERRIBLE.

>> THE ALABAMA BILL WHEN IT WAS

BEING PASSED WAS FASCINATING.

ONE THING BROUGHT UP IT WAS THE

QUESTION ABOUT WHAT ABOUT IVF?

DOES THIS APPLY TO AN EMBRYO IN

A LAB AND ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO

VOTED FOR THIS BILL SAID NO

BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN A WOMAN'S

BODY.

THIS TRULY IS A DEBATE ABOUT

WOMEN AND THE STATUS OF WOMEN IN

SOCIETY.

>> IT'S A DEBATE THAT DOESN'T

NEED TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THE

MORNING AFTER PILL HAS REALLY

SOLVED THIS ISSUE.

SO NOBODY GOES TO A HOSPITAL NOW

TO HAVE AN ABORTION.

REPUBLICANS SHOULD GET OFF OF IT

AND DEMOCRATS I THINK WENT ON

THIS ISSUE SIMPLY BECAUSE MOST

AMERICANS HAVE LONG FIGURED OUT

THERE'S GOING TO BE DIVISION BUT

WE'RE FOR THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE.

>> I HAVE BEEN TRACKING THIS

ISSUE.

I'M VERY INTERESTED TO SEE HOW

OFTEN YOUNG WOMEN STILL TURN TO

SURGICAL ABORTION.

AND THE MOST RECENT REPORT SAYS

THERE'S STILL MORE THAN A

MILLION SURGICAL ABORTIONS PER

YEAR SO MAYBE THERE ARE ALSO

ANOTHER MILLION WHICH MEANS THE

NUMBER IS GROWING FROM

1.2 MILLION TO I DON'T KNOW THE

FACTS ABOUT THE MEDICAL -- THE

PHARMACEUTICAL ABORTIONS WHERE

YOU TAKE A BILL.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SURVEY

ON THAT BECAUSE I'M ALMOST SURE

THAT TODAY'S YOUNG WOMEN KNOW

WHAT TO DO IF YOU THINK YOU MAY

BE PREGNANT AND IT'S CERTAINLY

NOT TO WAIT UNTIL IT'S THREE

MONTHS.

SO I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT

YOUNG WOMEN ARE DEPENDING FOR

THE MOST PART ON SURGICAL

ABORTION.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T THINK

THAT THIS RIGHT MUST BE

PRESERVED.

>> ALL RIGHT.

NOW WE ALL KNOW THE HYDE

AMENDMENT BARRED FEDERAL FUNDS

FROM GOING FOR ABORTION EVEN IN

MEDICAID CASES.

THIS WEEK JOE BIDEN FORMER VICE

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN REVERSED HIS

POSITION ON THE HYDE AMENDMENT.

IS THIS AN INDICATION THAT AMONG

DEMOCRATIC VOTERS YOU BETTER BE

STRAIGHT DOWN THE LINE PRO

CHOICE?

>> I THINK ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK ACTUALLY THE FACT THAT

HE FLIPPED IS GOING TO HURT HIM

WORSE THAN WHAT HIS POSITION WAS

BUT I THINK TO GET TO THE

PRIMARIES, HE HAD TO.

>> WHY WOULD IT HURT WORSE?

>> IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.

>> IF EVEN ANITA HILL SAID SHE

WOULD PROBABLY VOTE FOR HIM THIS

WEEK.

>> YEAH.

WELL, I WILL SAY THIS.

IN THE GENERAL ELECTION, THERE

ARE A LOT OF POSSIBILITY

DISHEARTENED TRUMP REPUBLICANS

THAT MAY NOT NOW VOTE FOR HIM

BECAUSE OF THAT.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PRO-LIFE

REPUBLICANS THAT SUPPORTED HIM

BECAUSE HE HAD THAT POSITION SO

IT WILL BE INTERESTING BUT I

THINK IT COULD BE A PROBLEM FOR

HIM.

>> TENTH ABORTION MOVEMENT IN

THIS COUNTRY HAS BEEN COMPLICIT

IN SUPPORTING -- HAS SOMETHING

TO ANSWER FOR BUT WHEN WE TALK

ABOUT BIDEN AND THE HYDE

AMENDMENT I THINK IT SHOWS THE

INCREDIBLE MUSCLE THAT THE

ABORTION RIGHTS MOVEMENT HAS

DEVELOPED AND IT ALSO TRACKS

WITH PUBLIC OPINION.

WHAT WE SEE IS THAT DEMOCRATIC

VOTERS AND THIS IS 2018.

NOT 2018.

THEY MOVED DECISIVELY WHERE IT

WAS A BIGGER ISSUE IN SUPPORTING

A CANDIDATE.

THEY WANT CANDIDATES TO SUPPORT

ABORTION RIGHTS.

>> ELIZABETH WARREN HAS STARTED

MOVING UP IN SOME POLLS.

SHE'S NOW NUMBER TWO AFTER BIDEN

AHEAD OF BERNIE IN SOME POLLS.

IS THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF

PRO-CHOICE AMERICANS EITHER WANT

TO SEE A WOMAN IN OFFICE NEXT

TIME OR SEE HER BRAND OF PRO

CHOICE AS MORE SO THAN SANDERS,

SANDERS HAS NOT DEVELOPED A HUGE

FOLLOWING AMONG WOMEN ORIENTED

WOMEN.

WOMEN WHO CARE FIRST AND

FOREMOST ABOUT WOMENS ISSUES.

>> I THINK IT'S BROADER THAN

THAT.

I THINK HER APPEAL IS THAT SHE

BRINGS IDEAS TO THE TABLE.

ON THIS ISSUE BUT ALSO ECONOMIC

ISSUES.

WHILE I DON'T AGREE WITH ANY OF

THEM SHE'S PUTTING FORWARD SOME

PLANS AND IDEAS THAT SAY LET'S

CHALLENGE THE NORM.

LET'S PULL THINGS FURTHER TO THE

LEFT AND I THINK FOR PRIMARY

VOTERS THAT'S GREAT.

FOR GENERAL VOTERS,

INDEPENDENTS, NOT SO GREAT.

>> AND YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT

WARREN.

DO YOU THINK THAT SHE -- WHICH

CANDIDATE ARE YOUR PEOPLE WHERE

YOU ARE ON CHOICE WHICH IS YOU

STAND UP FOR THE CHOICE IN JUST

ABOUT EVERY INSTANCE RIGHT?

SO PEOPLE WHO ARE WITH YOUR

PLACING THAT MUCH IMPORTANCE ON

THE CHOICE ISSUE WHO ARE YOU

STANDING BEHIND?

>> I MEAN, THE FIELD IS

FANTASTIC BY AND LARGE WITH THE

GLARING EXCEPTION OF BIDEN BUT

WE SAW THIS RECENT CHANGE ON

HYDE WHICH IS WELCOME.

I THINK ON THE QUESTION OF

WARREN SPECIFICALLY, I

PERSONALLY AM VERY PROUD TO

SUPPORT HER CANDIDACY.

I THINK SHE IS THE NOT BIDEN

CANDIDATE MOST LIKELY TO ADVANCE

AND I THINK IT'S TIME TO CULL

THIS FIELD DOWN SO WE CAN HAVE A

MORE SERIOUS DEBATE.

>> LAST WORD, ELEANOR.

>> VERY PAS POLICY ORIENTED.

VERY LEFT.

I WORRY ABOUT THAT IN THE

GENERAL ELECTIO.

>> I ACTUALLY SAID ON THIS SHOW

LAST TIME I WAS ON SHE WOULD BE

THE ONE TO WATCH.

THAT SHE'S THE BEST OF THE

FEMALE CANDIDATES.

>> INTERESTING.

LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

PLEASE FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER.

FROM WOMEN FOR PRESIDENT TO

WOMEN ON THE GLOBAL STAGE.

>> PRESIDENTIAL DAUGHTER AND

ADVISOR IVANKA TRUMP IS THE FACE

OF A NEW TRUMP WHITE HOUSE

INITIATIVE.

A STRATEGY ON WOMEN, PEACE, AND

SECURITY THAT WAS ROLLED OUT

THIS WEEK.

THE PLAN WHICH HAS BIPARTISAN

BACKING IS AIMED AT INCREASING

WOMENS POLITICAL PARTICIPATION

IN PEACE AND SECURITY BY GIVING

THEM ROOM AT THE NEGOTIATING

TABLE.

IF APPROVED, ALL FEDERAL

AGENCIES AND DEPARTMENTS WORKING

ON INTERNATIONAL ISSUES WILL

HAVE TO INCLUDE MORE WOMEN IN

GLOBAL CONFLICT RESOLUTION,

COUNTERTERRORISM, DISASTER

RECOVERY, AND SAFETY FOR WOMEN

AND GIRLS.

THE STRATEGY STEMS FROM THE

WOMEN, PEACE, AND SECURITY ACT

PASSED BY CONGRESS IN 2017.

RESEARCHERS HAVE FOUND WOMENS

PARTICIPATION IN SOLVING THESE

ISSUES CREATE MORE STABLE

CONDITIONS FOR THEIR COUNTRIES.

>> ANNE STONE, IN BETWEEN BEFORE

PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS IN OFFICE

AND MAYBE SINCE BUT YOU WERE

WORKING WITH THE STATE

DEPARTMENT DOING A LOT OF

INTERNATIONAL GLOBAL SPEAKING.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> ON THIS VERY ISSUE.

>> YES.

>> IT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL?

>> I THINK IT WILL AND IT'S LONG

OVERDUE.

AND DOES IT NEED APPROVAL FROM

HIM?

CONGRESS?

WHAT?

>> I THINK HE'S ALREADY GIVEN

HIS APPROVAL.

THE WHITE HOUSE IS GOING TO GET

BEHIND IT.

WHAT'S INTERESTING IS FORMER

AMBASSADOR -- HAD A STUDY

COMMISSION SHOWING THAT WOMEN

ARE HARD WIRED FOR PEACE.

WE ARE THE PEACE MAKERS.

AND WE RECOGNIZE IN FACT THE

U.N. HAD RESOLUTION 1025 THAT

WOMEN WERE ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO BE

PART OF ANY PEACE MAKING AND

IT'S OFTEN IGNORED BUT IT'S

CRITICAL BECAUSE WE ARE THE

PEACE MAKERS.

>> YOUR THOUGHTS.

>> IT STEMS FROM A STATUTE AND

OF COURSE AS YOU IMPLEMENT IT

YOU CAN ONLY DO --

>> STATUTE PAST 2017.

-- PASSED 2017.

>> RECENTLY PASSED STATUTE.

WHOEVER IS PRESIDENT IS SUPPOSED

TO CARRY IT OUT AND HE'S DOING

THE RIGHT THING BUT I'M VERY

FRUSTRATED.

>> WHY?

>> BECAUSE EVEN IN THE HOUSE OF

REPRESENTATIVES, MUCH LESS IN

THE WIDER WORK THAT GOES ON FOR

PEACE, WOMEN ARE STILL CREEPING

AROUND THE EDGES AND I CERTAINLY

HOPE THIS PROVIDES A WAY FOR

WOMEN TO MAKE THEIR VOICES HEARD

AND TO SAY MORE.

MORE OF THIS.

LET ME SEE THE EVIDENCE THAT

YOU'RE REALLY IMPLEMENTING THIS

STATUTE AND I THINK IT'S VERY

GOOD THE PRESIDENT HAS MOVED

FORWARD WITH IT.

>> YOUR THOUGHTS.

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, IT'S EXCITING.

I'M GLAD WE CAN ALL AGREE HERE.

WHAT I THINK IS INTERESTING AND

THAT WOMEN BRING TO THE TABLE IS

KNOWLEDGE ABOUT RADICALIZATION.

I THINK THEIR HUSBANDS AND SONS

AND NEPHEWS.

I THINK THAT THEY CAN BRING TO

CONFLICT DISCUSSIONS TO AFTER

CONFLICTS HAVE BEEN RESOLVED TO

IDENTIFYING THOSE PEOPLE THAT

SHOULD BE ON OUR RADAR.

THAT KIND OF INTELLIGENCE IS

VERY HARD TO CULTIVATE AND SO

I'M PLEASED TO SEE THE

ADMINISTRATION STEPPING FORWARD

AND DOING THIS AND TO THE LARGER

POINT ABOUT WOMEN AND THE

ADMINISTRATION, I HOPE TO SEE

MORE PEOPLE.

I MEAN, WE HAD A FANTASTIC U.N.

AMBASSADOR THAT WAS A WOMAN AND

NOT JUST PUTTING WOMEN IN PLACES

FOR JUST BECAUSE YOU NEED A

WOMAN IN A SEAT, A QUALIFIED

WOMAN AND I HOPE TO SEE MORE OF

THEM.

>> WE DON'T SEE PEOPLE IN PLACE

MUCH LESS WOMEN.

AS MAJOR POSTS ARE BEING HELD

NOW BY ACTING.

NOBODY WANTS TO BE PART OF THIS

ADMINISTRATION.

THEY THINK THEY WILL LOSE.

THEY HAVE REPUTATIONS.

>> WELL, I'VE HEARD THAT IN THE

LEGAL COMMUNITY BECAUSE I WAS

TOLD BY MANY LAWYERS WHO WERE

INTERVIEWED FOR WHITE HOUSE

COUNCIL JOBS PRESIDENT TRUMP

DOESN'T PAY HIS BILLED SO THEY

WANTED TO STAY AWAY FROM THOSE

JOBS.

HE WAS A CLIENT OF MINE IN THE

80S AND HE PAID HIS BILLS JUST

FINE.

AND THERE ARE A LOT OF LOYAL

PEOPLE WAITING IN THE WINGS TO

BE APPOINTED.

THEY'RE IN HOLDING PATTERNS

EITHER BECAUSE OF THE SENATE OR

BECAUSE OF THINGS OF

PRESIDENTIAL PERSONNEL.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT

WANT TO SERVE THIS GUY.

I CAN GIVE THEM A LIST OF NAMES.

THEY CAN CALL ME.

>> I'M TALKING ABOUT

NOMINATIONS.

LET'S GET BACK TO THE ISSUE.

SINCE THE END OF THE RWANDAN

GENERAL SIZE WHICH WAS 20 PLUS

YEARS AGO, WE'VE KNOWN THAT

HORRIBLE WAR AND WE HAVE KNOWN

THAT IT WAS THE WOMEN BECAUSE

THE MEN WERE ALL DEAD AT THAT

POINT WHO SAT DOWN AND

NEGOTIATED.

THEY NEGOTIATED ON THE OPPOSITE

SIDE OF THE TABLE WITH PEOPLE

WHO HAD MURDERED THEIR FAMILY

MEMBERS.

>> RIGHT.

>> AND ONLY WOMEN CAN DO THIS.

WHY IS IT -- WHY ARE WE STILL --

WHY IS THIS STILL SOMETHING THAT

NEEDS TO BE DONE?

WHY ARE THERE NOT ALREADY WOMEN

IN ALL INTERNATIONAL

NEGOTIATIONS?

>> BECAUSE OUR MEDIA DOESN'T

GIVE ENOUGH ATTENTION.

LOOK AT THE FEMINIST MAJORITY

FOR YEARS DID STUFF OVER SEAS.

IT GETS NO COVERAGE.

THE DOCUMENTARY PRAY THE DEVIL

BACK TO HELL ABOUT HOW WOMEN

CAUSED THE PEACE AND GOT CHARLES

TAYLOR TO GET THE HECK OUT OF

LIBERIA.

THERE ARE CASES ALL OVER BUT THE

MEDIA NEVER COVERS IT.

THEY NEED TO CELEBRATE THAT AND

PUSH THAT OUT THERE AND THAT

WOULD GIVE WOMEN MORE STANDING.

>> YOUR THOUGHTS.

>> I THINK ONE THING THAT OFTEN

GETS LEFT OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION

IS NOT JUST THAT WE NEED TO

INCLUDE MORE WOMEN IN THE PEACE

BUILDING PROCESS AND PEACE

MAKING PROCESS BUT ALSO

SPECIFICALLY WOMEN WITH

DISABILITIES AND I SAY THAT

INTENTIONALLY BECAUSE WE KNOW

THAT RAPE AND VIOLENCE IS USED

AS A WEAPON AGAINST WOMEN AND IN

PARTICULAR THAT IMPACTS WOMEN

WITH DISABILITIES MORE AND ALSO

CAUSES DISABILITY WITHIN WOMEN.

SO I HOPE THAT WE'LL BE

EXTREMELY INCLUSIVE IN THIS.

THIS HAS BEEN AN IMPORTANT

INTERNATIONAL ISSUE THAT RISES

FAR ABOVE ANY CURRENT

ADMINISTRATION.

>> BUT HERE'S A CHALLENGE.

HERE IN THIS COUNTRY THE

VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT WHICH

SHOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR ALL

WOMEN NEGLECTED TO -- FEMALE

GENITAL MUTILATION.

HEINOUS CRIME.

AND IT EVEN --

[CROSS TALK]

>> 500,000 WOMEN AND GIRLS IN

THIS COUNTRY ARE FACING THAT.

>> YES.

>> SO I AGREE WITH YOU.

WE NEED TO TACKLE THE VIOLENCE

AGAINST WOMEN OVERSEAS AND

PRACTICE WHAT WE PREACH MERE IN

THIS COUNTRY.

>> THAT IS ONE THING THAT I'LL

NEVER UNDERSTAND.

WOMEN DOING THAT TO THEIR

CHILDREN.

IT'S HORRIBLE.

>> BEHIND THE HEADLINES.

DOES FEMINISM HELP MEN?

WE SPOKE TO ALEXANDER DECROW WHO

SAYS FEMINISM LEADS TO A BETTER

ECONOMY AND HELPS LIBERATE MEN.

>> IT'S A TOPIC WHICH IS ABOUT

WOMEN.

SO BY DEFINITION ONLY WOMEN ARE

ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT IT IF THE

AND THEN VERY OFTEN THE SOLUTION

TO GENDER EQUALITY HAS ALWAYS

BEEN PUT IN THE DIRECTION OF

WOMEN HAVE TO SOLVE IT

THEMSELVES.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF

FEMINISM, IT MEANS EQUAL RIGHTS

AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR

WOMEN AND MEN.

SO BY DEFINITION WE MEN SHOULD

ALSO BE INVOLVED IN THIS.

>> HE IS DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER

OF BELGIUM HAVING ASSUMED OFFICE

AS MINISTER OF FINANCE LAST

YEAR.

>> WE WOULD THINK WE'RE THERE.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME

BEFORE GENDER EQUALITY WILL BE

ACHIEVED.

I AM CONVINCED THAT AS MUCH IN

BELGIUM AS IN THE WHITE IT'S NOT

A MATTER OF TIME.

IT'S A MATTER OF POLICY.

AND IT'S A MATTER OF US MEN AND

THE ROLE OF US MEN IN CREATING

AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE MEN AND

WOMEN HAVE FULL OPPORTUNITIES TO

DEVELOP THEMSELVES IF SOMETHING

THAT IS NOT GOING TO COME BY

ITSELF.

>> HE HAS WRITTEN A NEW BOOK

CALLED THE AGE OF WOMEN.

WHY FEMINISM ALSO LIBERATES MEN.

>> A LOT OF MEN SEE IT AS

RECREATE SPACE FOR WOMEN TO TAKE

A STEP FORWARD THEN WE BY

DEFINITION WILL HAVE TO TAKE A

STEP BACK WHICH IS THE ZERO SUM

GAME APPROACH AND I THINK THAT'S

WRONG.

IT'S NOT A ZERO SUM GAME.

>> HE ARGUES THAT FEMINISM IS

ALLOWING MORE AND MORE WOMEN TO

BE PRODUCTIVE.

>> WHAT IS THIS ABOUT IN THE END

IS IT IS SUCH A WASTED

OPPORTUNITY.

WE HAVE HALF THE POPULATION

WHICH IS OFTEN HIGHLY DEDICATED

WHICH HAS ALL TALENTS AND WE

CONSIDER THAT WE CAN -- WE'RE

OKAY WITH NOT USING THAT TALENT.

WE'RE OKAY WITH NOT GIVING

OPPORTUNITIES TO THAT AT THAT --

THAT LENT.

>> A -- TALENT.

ASIDE FROM THE SOCIAL AND MORAL

REASONS FOR FEMINISM, HE ARGUES

THE DOLLARS AND CENTS APPROACH

HAS MERIT.

>> I'M NOT OBSESSED BY GROWTH

MEMBERS AND GDP AND SO ON BUT

WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME IS THAT

WE CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE

PEOPLE CAN HAVE A GOOD LIFE

BALANCED LIFE AND REALIZE THEIR

DREAMS.

I USE THE ECONOMIC ARGUMENT

BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT'S AN

ARGUMENT THAT YOU COULD USE

TOWARDS MEN WHO OFTEN SEE

FEMINISM AS A THREATENING THING

WHERE I THINK THAT IT'S ACTUALLY

LIBERATING THING AND IT MAKES IT

JUST BIGGER.

>> SO DO YOU AGREE WITH DEPUTY

PRIME MINISTER DECROW THAT

FEMINISM LIBERATES MEN?

>> HOW WONDERFUL THAT HE'S USING

HIS PLATFORM TO SHINE A LIGHT ON

THE URGENT NEED FOR GENDER

EQUALITY.

I THINK IT'S GREAT.

YES.

FEMINISM IS A POLITICAL MOVEMENT

FOR EQUALITY FOR WOMEN AND

GIRLS.

>> IF MEN SPEAK UP, SPEAKING TO

MEN, WE HAVE A SPECIAL KIND OF

ABILITY IN THE SAME WAY THAT

DURING THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT

STARTED BY BLACKS BUT IT GOT TO

BE A NATIONAL MOVEMENT THAT

EVERYBODY WANTED TO BE PART

OF -- FULL PARTICIPATION OF

WOMEN THROUGHOUT CENTURIES.

IT CHANGES THE MINDSET.

I'VE HAD MEN COME UP AND GO MY

GOD I CAN NEVER LOOK AT A WOMAN

THE SAME WAY AGAIN AFTER THEY

HEAR THESE THINGS THEY DON'T

KNOW WOMEN DID AND I SAID THAT'S

EXACTLY THE POINT.

IT'S WONDERFUL THIS GUY IS DOING

IT.

FINALLY.

WE NEED MORE OF IT HAPPEN.

AND THE CREDIT SECRET AS I TELL

PEOPLE DO YOU THINK A MAN WHO IS

IF YOU WANT TO USE THE WORD

LIBERATED IF HE THINKS ABOUT

HIMSELF LIKE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO

BE THE BREADWINNER AND HE CAN BE

AN ARTIST AND NOT MAKE ANY MONEY

AND BE MARRIED TO A WALL STREET

SCION AND LET HER EARN ALL THE

MONEY.

ARE THOSE WAYS OF LIBERATING MEN

IN YOUR MIND A GOOD IDEA?

>> SURE.

IF IT MAKES SENSE FOR HIM AND

HIS FAMILY THAT'S CERTAINLY

GREAT.

I THINK IT'S THE FREEDOM TO

DOOSE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU.

WHEN IT COMES TO FEMINISM I

THINK WHAT SOME CONSERVATIVES

HAVE PUSHED BACK ON IS THAT

THERE'S TENSION.

THERE'S BEEN INTENSE TENSION

BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN AND IT

PLAYS OUT IN A WAY THAT MAKES

MEN FEEL LIKE THEY'RE MONDAY

STORES AND THAT WOMEN FEEL THEY

NEED TO BE FEARFUL OF EVERY MAN

IN THEIR LIFE.

THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO BE

CAREFUL ABOUT.

BUT WHY IS IT --

>> WHETHER THAT'S COLLEGE CAMPUS

SEXUAL ASSAULT AND WHEN WE LOOK

AT THE RELATIONSHIPS WE HAVE

WITH MOST MEN AND THEY'RE

HEALTHY AND NORMAL AND

RESPECTFUL.

YOU HAVE THOSE BAD APPLES AND WE

DO WANT THOSE BAD APPLES AND THE

MEDIA HAS PAINTED IT AS THOUGH

EVERY MAN IN POWER IS GOING TO

BE A HARVEY WINE STEIN AND I

THINK THAT IS WHAT CREATES THE

BACK LASH.

>> ALL RIGHT.

TERRIFIC.

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