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align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ♪ 00:57.057 --> 00:59.092 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Too many guns and not enough 00:59.092 --> 00:59.826 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% restrictions were just too many 00:59.826 --> 01:03.363 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% restrictions? 01:03.363 --> 01:03.797 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Hi, everybody. 01:03.797 --> 01:05.965 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It is Reporters Roundtable. 01:05.965 --> 01:08.101 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Matt Friedman is a reporter for 01:08.101 --> 01:08.835 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% political and author of the New 01:08.835 --> 01:11.337 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Jersey playbook. 01:11.337 --> 01:12.372 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Charles style is the political 01:12.372 --> 01:15.475 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% columnist for the record USA 01:15.475 --> 01:16.176 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Today network, and John Wright 01:16.176 --> 01:18.144 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Meyer is the budget and finance 01:18.144 --> 01:21.081 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% writer for NJ Spotlight News. 01:21.081 --> 01:23.216 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We get to the panel in just a 01:23.216 --> 01:25.852 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% few minutes, but we begin today 01:25.852 --> 01:26.553 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% with the debate over guns and 01:26.553 --> 01:28.354 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% New Jersey. 01:28.354 --> 01:29.355 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% A court ruling this week 01:29.355 --> 01:31.491 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% overturned most of Governor 01:31.491 --> 01:32.258 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Murphy's gun carry restrictions. 01:32.258 --> 01:34.661 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% At the administration had tried 01:34.661 --> 01:35.361 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to restrict guns from certain 01:35.361 --> 01:38.998 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% sensitive areas. 01:38.998 --> 01:39.899 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Our guest today a plot of the 01:39.899 --> 01:42.569 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% routing and chided Democrats for 01:42.569 --> 01:43.236 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% trying to infringe upon the 01:43.236 --> 01:44.304 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Second Amendment. 01:44.304 --> 01:45.672 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Republican assemblyman Brian 01:45.672 --> 01:48.108 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Bergen joins us now. 01:48.108 --> 01:50.510 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Welcome back to roundtable. 01:50.510 --> 01:53.880 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> It is great to see you. 01:53.880 --> 01:55.248 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> The ruling also struck down 01:55.248 --> 01:55.982 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the requirement that gun owners 01:55.982 --> 01:58.585 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% carry insurance. 01:58.585 --> 01:59.452 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% What is wrong with requiring 01:59.452 --> 02:01.387 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% insurance? 02:01.387 --> 02:02.122 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% You cannot drive a car without 02:02.122 --> 02:05.959 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% insurance. 02:05.959 --> 02:06.693 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> The biggest problem is you 02:06.693 --> 02:07.393 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% cannot even do it here in the 02:07.393 --> 02:08.962 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% state right now. 02:08.962 --> 02:12.232 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Governor Murphy by executive 02:12.232 --> 02:12.765 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% order restricted the 02:12.765 --> 02:16.903 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% availability of insurance, so 02:16.903 --> 02:18.605 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the law contradicted his 02:18.605 --> 02:19.706 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% executive order, so it was not 02:19.706 --> 02:22.575 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% possible for people to follow, 02:22.575 --> 02:23.643 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and that point was brought up to 02:23.643 --> 02:25.345 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the drafters of this bill that 02:25.345 --> 02:26.746 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% they were putting a bill out 02:26.746 --> 02:27.847 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% where people could not even 02:27.847 --> 02:29.649 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% comply with the law that they 02:29.649 --> 02:31.017 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% were doing, because it was in 02:31.017 --> 02:33.153 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% direct conflict with Governor 02:33.153 --> 02:33.887 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Murphy's executive order, and 02:33.887 --> 02:37.056 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% also part of the reason why it 02:37.056 --> 02:37.924 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is not a great thing to require 02:37.924 --> 02:40.093 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% a certain level of insurance for 02:40.093 --> 02:45.532 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% gun owners is because you are 02:45.532 --> 02:46.199 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% forcing people to pay x more 02:46.199 --> 02:48.801 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% dollars to exercise their 02:48.801 --> 02:49.836 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% constitutional right to carry, 02:49.836 --> 02:52.172 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and then it restricts people who 02:52.172 --> 02:54.140 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% cannot afford that, so you are 02:54.140 --> 02:55.508 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% limiting the number of people 02:55.508 --> 02:56.009 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% who can do what is 02:56.009 --> 02:58.545 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% constitutionally their right. 02:58.545 --> 03:00.780 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> You talk about constitutional 03:00.780 --> 03:01.514 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% rights, everyone talks about the 03:01.514 --> 03:04.217 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% second amendment. 03:04.217 --> 03:04.918 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% What does the Second Amendment 03:04.918 --> 03:05.451 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% say to you? 03:05.451 --> 03:06.186 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% How do you interpret the Second 03:06.186 --> 03:09.589 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Amendment? 03:09.589 --> 03:10.290 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> You have the right to bear 03:10.290 --> 03:13.560 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% arms. 03:13.560 --> 03:17.197 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We have the fundamental right -- 03:17.197 --> 03:20.667 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> It does not exactly say that. 03:20.667 --> 03:21.367 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> I have it right in front of 03:21.367 --> 03:24.571 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% me. 03:24.571 --> 03:25.271 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> That is your interpretation 03:25.271 --> 03:26.873 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% them. 03:26.873 --> 03:27.540 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It means an individual as a 03:27.540 --> 03:30.043 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% right to bear arms. 03:30.043 --> 03:33.546 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Let me just be clear on that, we 03:33.546 --> 03:35.281 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% are in an era of mass shootings 03:35.281 --> 03:36.649 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% pretty much every week. 03:36.649 --> 03:38.685 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Do you think it is good public 03:38.685 --> 03:40.987 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% policy to allow guns in parks 03:40.987 --> 03:42.155 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and plazas and bars and concert 03:42.155 --> 03:47.227 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% halls? 03:47.227 --> 03:49.896 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> It is not -- listen, 03:49.896 --> 03:51.564 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% concealed care he has been 03:51.564 --> 03:52.799 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% vilified by the Democrats here 03:52.799 --> 03:55.068 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% in the state for a long time. 03:55.068 --> 03:55.868 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% The reality of it is allowing 03:55.868 --> 03:56.469 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% concealed carry does not 03:56.469 --> 03:58.938 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% increase crime. 03:58.938 --> 03:59.539 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It does not increase gun 03:59.539 --> 04:03.309 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% violence. 04:03.309 --> 04:04.043 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It does not increase mass 04:04.043 --> 04:04.410 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% shootings. 04:04.410 --> 04:05.044 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Concealed carry is not the 04:05.044 --> 04:06.546 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% issue. 04:06.546 --> 04:09.048 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Concealed carry happens in many 04:09.048 --> 04:10.516 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% other states and is rarely if 04:10.516 --> 04:15.788 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ever the source of an issue. 04:15.788 --> 04:16.456 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% People who conceal carry our 04:16.456 --> 04:17.190 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% responsible gun owners who do so 04:17.190 --> 04:19.292 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% safely. 04:19.292 --> 04:20.627 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% The problem with the gun law is 04:20.627 --> 04:21.661 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% when they started restricting 04:21.661 --> 04:22.662 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% all of the different little 04:22.662 --> 04:25.632 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% places you can and cannot do and 04:25.632 --> 04:26.332 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% started having people have to 04:26.332 --> 04:28.868 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% load and unload guns when they 04:28.868 --> 04:29.602 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% got in and out of a car and take 04:29.602 --> 04:31.037 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the gun out here and take the 04:31.037 --> 04:35.575 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% gun up there is they made it 04:35.575 --> 04:36.276 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% less safe, because when a gun 04:36.276 --> 04:37.677 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% owner has to take a gun out of 04:37.677 --> 04:41.814 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the holster and remove the 04:41.814 --> 04:42.548 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ammunition and store it, that is 04:42.548 --> 04:43.149 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% when there is risk of an 04:43.149 --> 04:46.586 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% accident. 04:46.586 --> 04:50.857 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% When a person is a gun on them 04:50.857 --> 04:52.759 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% concealed and they do not remove 04:52.759 --> 04:53.426 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% it from the holster, that is 04:53.426 --> 04:54.994 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% safe. 04:54.994 --> 04:55.695 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% There is no logical reason to 04:55.695 --> 04:56.429 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% restrict people from carrying in 04:56.429 --> 04:58.831 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% these places. 04:58.831 --> 04:59.565 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It happens all over the country, 04:59.565 --> 05:01.301 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and there are no problems with 05:01.301 --> 05:02.035 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% it, so there is no reason to do 05:02.035 --> 05:05.805 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% it here. 05:05.805 --> 05:09.942 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Charlie, you have a question? 05:09.942 --> 05:11.344 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> On this issue, we can debate 05:11.344 --> 05:12.245 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the Second Amendment. 05:12.245 --> 05:15.214 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I do not think we have time for 05:15.214 --> 05:15.948 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that, but clearly -- let me ask 05:15.948 --> 05:17.216 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% you this. 05:17.216 --> 05:18.151 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Do you see kind of a middle 05:18.151 --> 05:21.020 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ground here? 05:21.020 --> 05:23.623 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We are in uncharted waters here. 05:23.623 --> 05:24.691 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% They state is a pro-gun control 05:24.691 --> 05:27.794 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% state. 05:27.794 --> 05:34.000 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% If the idea of suddenly allowing 05:34.000 --> 05:35.568 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% concealed weapons in public on 05:35.568 --> 05:36.302 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% nerves a lot of people, so where 05:36.302 --> 05:37.003 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% can we find a middle ground on 05:37.003 --> 05:40.239 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% this? 05:40.239 --> 05:40.973 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Obviously we will not get far in 05:40.973 --> 05:43.376 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the courts for people who 05:43.376 --> 05:46.813 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% support concealed carry, but 05:46.813 --> 05:51.150 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% weighing that versus the anxiety 05:51.150 --> 05:54.354 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% , we are now going to be a set 05:54.354 --> 05:55.054 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of laws that await us with the 05:55.054 --> 06:00.960 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% South or gun friendly states. 06:00.960 --> 06:03.763 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> I understand what your 06:03.763 --> 06:04.497 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% question is, what I think it is 06:04.497 --> 06:10.103 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% an extreme that does not exist. 06:10.103 --> 06:10.770 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% As an example, people were 06:10.770 --> 06:11.471 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% allowed to concealed carry in 06:11.471 --> 06:13.139 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the state of New Jersey last 06:13.139 --> 06:13.873 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% year in the year before that and 06:13.873 --> 06:16.509 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the year before that. 06:16.509 --> 06:18.444 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It was just a small troop of 06:18.444 --> 06:19.145 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% people, and they had to have a 06:19.145 --> 06:20.780 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% justifiable need, and those 06:20.780 --> 06:21.414 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% people did not have these 06:21.414 --> 06:24.317 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% restrictions. 06:24.317 --> 06:24.984 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% There been people concealed 06:24.984 --> 06:27.854 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% carrying in the state of New 06:27.854 --> 06:32.125 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Jersey for decades, and we 06:32.125 --> 06:32.859 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% cannot -- have not had a problem 06:32.859 --> 06:33.526 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% with those people that I am 06:33.526 --> 06:36.162 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% aware of. 06:36.162 --> 06:36.863 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% This is not a brand-new thing, 06:36.863 --> 06:38.765 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and they were allowed to carry 06:38.765 --> 06:39.465 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% in all of these places we are 06:39.465 --> 06:42.869 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% now attempting to restrict. 06:42.869 --> 06:44.170 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Since the decision happened, 06:44.170 --> 06:46.506 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% from then until now, people have 06:46.506 --> 06:49.075 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% been carrying guns and all of 06:49.075 --> 06:50.209 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% those places, and we have not 06:50.209 --> 06:53.212 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% seen any issue. 06:53.212 --> 06:53.913 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% The Democrats in the state of 06:53.913 --> 06:58.951 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% New Jersey are trying to paint 06:58.951 --> 06:59.685 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% this as this particular decision 06:59.685 --> 07:00.353 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and allow people to conceal 07:00.353 --> 07:02.021 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% carry is going to great this 07:02.021 --> 07:04.824 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% wild West with people running 07:04.824 --> 07:05.491 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% around willy-nilly with guns 07:05.491 --> 07:06.526 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% strapped around their chest. 07:06.526 --> 07:09.762 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% That is not the case. 07:09.762 --> 07:10.463 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% People who carry concealed our 07:10.463 --> 07:13.299 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% responsible gun owners. 07:13.299 --> 07:14.167 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% There is not a lot of risk 07:14.167 --> 07:15.635 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% associated to it, and there is 07:15.635 --> 07:18.471 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% not a lot of danger in allowing 07:18.471 --> 07:21.140 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% them to carry, so in fact most 07:21.140 --> 07:21.841 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% people who get Concealed Carry 07:21.841 --> 07:22.542 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% License will not actually even 07:22.542 --> 07:25.211 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% carry. 07:25.211 --> 07:27.280 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Most people want it so they do 07:27.280 --> 07:28.047 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% not have to worry about New 07:28.047 --> 07:30.249 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Jersey's overly restrictive laws 07:30.249 --> 07:33.419 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% in terms of transportation, and 07:33.419 --> 07:34.454 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% they just want their freedom to 07:34.454 --> 07:35.154 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% take the gun to the range and 07:35.154 --> 07:39.091 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% back without going to jail. 07:39.091 --> 07:40.660 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Let me move on to quick 07:40.660 --> 07:42.495 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% questions on budget. 07:42.495 --> 07:46.232 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Treasury says collections are 07:46.232 --> 07:46.966 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% way down, there is a $53 billion 07:46.966 --> 07:49.569 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% budget out there. 07:49.569 --> 07:50.269 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Is this a disaster waiting to 07:50.269 --> 07:53.773 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% happen? 07:53.773 --> 07:55.241 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Yeah, there is only so long 07:55.241 --> 07:55.975 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% you can continue to increase how 07:55.975 --> 07:58.044 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% much the government spends. 07:58.044 --> 08:01.547 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It is a ridiculous approach to 08:01.547 --> 08:04.183 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% governing, and we are overtaxed, 08:04.183 --> 08:06.652 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% yet the budget continues to grow 08:06.652 --> 08:08.855 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and taxes continue to get added. 08:08.855 --> 08:09.489 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% These numbers might not be 08:09.489 --> 08:13.893 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% exact, but ballpark. 08:13.893 --> 08:17.196 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% $36 billion budget when Governor 08:17.196 --> 08:18.130 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Kristi Noem left office to a 53 08:18.130 --> 08:20.066 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% billion dollars budget, and the 08:20.066 --> 08:21.901 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% question I would ask people is 08:21.901 --> 08:23.135 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is your life fundamentally 08:23.135 --> 08:23.769 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% better because of that? 08:23.769 --> 08:25.638 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% The answer most people would say 08:25.638 --> 08:28.574 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is "no." 08:28.574 --> 08:29.308 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% What is all of that money going 08:29.308 --> 08:31.410 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% toward? 08:31.410 --> 08:32.812 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Most of it is being wasted on 08:32.812 --> 08:33.713 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% things we do not need and people 08:33.713 --> 08:34.447 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% are being taxed for things that 08:34.447 --> 08:37.250 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% are not justifiable. 08:37.250 --> 08:39.285 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> I had two questions and two 08:39.285 --> 08:45.024 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% answers, literally 30 seconds. 08:45.024 --> 08:45.825 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Are you guys going to flip 08:45.825 --> 08:46.425 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% either of the houses in 08:46.425 --> 08:49.595 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% November? 08:49.595 --> 08:51.397 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Absolutely, we are definitely 08:51.397 --> 08:52.098 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% going to flip the Senate and I 08:52.098 --> 08:52.698 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% am hoping we can get the 08:52.698 --> 08:54.600 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% assembly. 08:54.600 --> 08:57.937 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I am committed. 08:57.937 --> 08:59.605 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> How about this one. 08:59.605 --> 09:00.306 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Do you have a pic for governor 09:00.306 --> 09:04.477 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% in 2025? 09:04.477 --> 09:06.546 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Jack Ciattarelli. 09:06.546 --> 09:08.347 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> That is early. 09:08.347 --> 09:10.016 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Good to see you, man. 09:10.016 --> 09:15.454 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Thank you for stopping by. 09:15.454 --> 09:16.155 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Pennell, Matt, Charles, John, 09:16.155 --> 09:18.357 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% good to see you all. 09:18.357 --> 09:19.091 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Let's start with this going 09:19.091 --> 09:20.760 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ruling. 09:20.760 --> 09:21.494 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% What is the impact of this going 09:21.494 --> 09:23.596 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to be? 09:23.596 --> 09:25.765 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Charles, this is a done deal. 09:25.765 --> 09:29.235 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Gun control is over? 09:29.235 --> 09:31.103 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> I do not know about that. 09:31.103 --> 09:32.171 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We have a raft of very strict 09:32.171 --> 09:35.741 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% laws. 09:35.741 --> 09:38.411 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I just do not -- he had 09:38.411 --> 09:42.214 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% mentioned people who have been 09:42.214 --> 09:43.516 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% using concealed care he in this 09:43.516 --> 09:44.183 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% state have been permitted to 09:44.183 --> 09:47.420 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% carry it in public, but those 09:47.420 --> 09:48.187 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% are very committed -- that was a 09:48.187 --> 09:51.591 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% very limited class of people. 09:51.591 --> 09:53.025 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% He does not see that there is 09:53.025 --> 09:57.563 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% any middle ground. 09:57.563 --> 09:58.297 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I do not know -- I do believe we 09:58.297 --> 10:03.636 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% are in uncharted territory. 10:03.636 --> 10:04.737 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Maybe the governor's law and the 10:04.737 --> 10:05.438 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% restrictions we put out was a 10:05.438 --> 10:08.274 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% bit of an overreach. 10:08.274 --> 10:09.342 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I do think that maybe there is 10:09.342 --> 10:14.947 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% some middle ground, but I do not 10:14.947 --> 10:17.617 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% see any mood for reaching some 10:17.617 --> 10:18.284 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% sort of bipartisan rational 10:18.284 --> 10:21.921 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% middle ground on this. 10:21.921 --> 10:26.826 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Go ahead, Matt. 10:26.826 --> 10:30.162 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> New Jersey will be kicking 10:30.162 --> 10:35.034 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and screaming. 10:35.034 --> 10:35.735 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I think there are a couple of 10:35.735 --> 10:38.471 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% points. 10:38.471 --> 10:39.805 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I cannot speak specifically to 10:39.805 --> 10:40.406 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% conceal Garrick, but the 10:40.406 --> 10:42.975 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% statistics on gun does speak for 10:42.975 --> 10:43.676 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% themselves when we talk about 10:43.676 --> 10:44.276 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the effectiveness of gun 10:44.276 --> 10:46.412 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% control. 10:46.412 --> 10:48.881 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% A lot of them are suicides, but 10:48.881 --> 10:49.882 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% if you look at a chart of states 10:49.882 --> 10:53.719 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% based on how strict their gun 10:53.719 --> 10:55.888 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% laws are and how many gun deaths 10:55.888 --> 10:56.622 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% there are in those states, it is 10:56.622 --> 10:58.924 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% almost exactly inverse. 10:58.924 --> 10:59.625 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% The stronger the gun laws, the 10:59.625 --> 11:03.596 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% fewer gun deaths. 11:03.596 --> 11:04.330 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% This is a constitutional right, 11:04.330 --> 11:05.031 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the Supreme Court says it is, 11:05.031 --> 11:06.499 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% but it is. 11:06.499 --> 11:07.133 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Gun control does decrease 11:07.133 --> 11:10.269 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% condenser. 11:10.269 --> 11:11.270 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% A lot of those are suicides, but 11:11.270 --> 11:12.338 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that does not mean those people 11:12.338 --> 11:13.572 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% would necessarily be dead if 11:13.572 --> 11:15.741 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% there was not gun control, 11:15.741 --> 11:19.779 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% because obviously suicide with a 11:19.779 --> 11:25.084 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% gun is much more final than my 11:25.084 --> 11:28.721 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% -- my most of her methods -- 11:28.721 --> 11:30.823 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% bite most of her -- by most 11:30.823 --> 11:34.260 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% other methods. 11:34.260 --> 11:36.529 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% -- 11:36.529 --> 11:38.330 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% That is just a fact. 11:38.330 --> 11:38.898 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We can talk about the 11:38.898 --> 11:43.035 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% constitutional rights and how it 11:43.035 --> 11:43.969 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% is interpreted that the 11:43.969 --> 11:45.404 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Constitution guarantees the 11:45.404 --> 11:47.273 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Second Amendment is right now 11:47.273 --> 11:48.741 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% very loosely interpreted, and 11:48.741 --> 11:49.475 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that changes depending upon the 11:49.475 --> 11:50.910 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% cord. 11:50.910 --> 11:53.145 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% People talk about it like it is 11:53.145 --> 11:53.846 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% some inalienable right that is 11:53.846 --> 11:57.016 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% self-explanatory. 11:57.016 --> 11:57.750 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% For generation after generation 11:57.750 --> 11:58.350 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and has been interpreted 11:58.350 --> 11:59.719 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% differently. 11:59.719 --> 12:03.823 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It is interpreted this way by a 12:03.823 --> 12:05.991 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% conservative court, and future 12:05.991 --> 12:06.659 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% generations will interpreted 12:06.659 --> 12:07.560 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% differently. 12:07.560 --> 12:11.163 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% The cat is out of the bag. 12:11.163 --> 12:11.897 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> We will not solve this one 12:11.897 --> 12:12.865 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% here. 12:12.865 --> 12:16.836 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Let me move on. 12:16.836 --> 12:18.504 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Lots of action as we head into 12:18.504 --> 12:19.105 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the final turn on budget 12:19.105 --> 12:22.341 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hearings. 12:22.341 --> 12:24.076 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% John, today we faced no crisis, 12:24.076 --> 12:27.179 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% says Liz, but collections are 12:27.179 --> 12:27.847 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% down, and lots of groups are 12:27.847 --> 12:30.950 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% still clamoring for money in the 12:30.950 --> 12:32.151 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% budget that is up to $53 12:32.151 --> 12:34.920 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% billion. 12:34.920 --> 12:35.654 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% That is your cue to give us the 12:35.654 --> 12:36.288 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% highlights of this we can 12:36.288 --> 12:43.195 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% budget. 12:43.195 --> 12:44.296 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Collections are not down, so 12:44.296 --> 12:45.631 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I think what has gotten lost in 12:45.631 --> 12:48.567 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% some of the headlines this week 12:48.567 --> 12:49.969 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and may be my own is back in 12:49.969 --> 12:52.972 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% February, the Treasury 12:52.972 --> 12:53.672 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Department revised projections 12:53.672 --> 12:59.044 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% for their current fiscal year by 12:59.044 --> 12:59.779 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% more than $3 billion, so we have 12:59.779 --> 13:00.479 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% strong collections during the 13:00.479 --> 13:03.115 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% first part of the fiscal year. 13:03.115 --> 13:04.550 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We have yet to get up into some 13:04.550 --> 13:06.085 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of the bump in as we have seen 13:06.085 --> 13:06.819 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% in the economy with things like 13:06.819 --> 13:08.621 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the banking industry and bank 13:08.621 --> 13:11.190 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% failures, you are interest rate 13:11.190 --> 13:11.924 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% hikes that occurred by then, and 13:11.924 --> 13:14.560 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% so what they have announced 13:14.560 --> 13:15.694 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% recently is that the rejection 13:15.694 --> 13:17.730 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% scaled-back for the current 13:17.730 --> 13:21.367 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% fiscal year by a billion. 13:21.367 --> 13:22.768 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We still have these huge 13:22.768 --> 13:26.305 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% surpluses that we have been 13:26.305 --> 13:27.006 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% building up in recent years as 13:27.006 --> 13:29.508 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% there is been tremendous revenue 13:29.508 --> 13:30.509 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% growth, so to answer the 13:30.509 --> 13:33.445 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% assemblymen because of his 13:33.445 --> 13:34.113 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% question, where is the money 13:34.113 --> 13:36.649 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% gone? 13:36.649 --> 13:37.383 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% A big portion of it has gone to 13:37.383 --> 13:39.785 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% paying obligations to the public 13:39.785 --> 13:40.519 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% worker pension fund, which were 13:40.519 --> 13:41.153 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% decades was ignored in New 13:41.153 --> 13:42.555 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Jersey. 13:42.555 --> 13:46.458 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We have a property tax relief 13:46.458 --> 13:47.159 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% program, and education aid has 13:47.159 --> 13:48.594 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% been increased significantly. 13:48.594 --> 13:51.096 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% If you want to look at where the 13:51.096 --> 13:52.464 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% spending is occurred, those of 13:52.464 --> 13:54.733 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the good places to start, so we 13:54.733 --> 13:58.704 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% are not down revenue, but we are 13:58.704 --> 13:59.438 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% going to get a little less than 13:59.438 --> 14:02.174 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% we thought we were going to get 14:02.174 --> 14:02.908 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% in February and adjustments had 14:02.908 --> 14:07.246 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to be made as a result of that. 14:07.246 --> 14:12.051 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> How did moyel do? 14:12.051 --> 14:12.685 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> She came in and had the 14:12.685 --> 14:13.352 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% strength of having these big 14:13.352 --> 14:16.121 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% surpluses. 14:16.121 --> 14:16.856 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% If you remember just a few years 14:16.856 --> 14:18.924 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ago when the pandemic began and 14:18.924 --> 14:20.092 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% we had a shortfall and we did 14:20.092 --> 14:21.827 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% not have such a robust surplus, 14:21.827 --> 14:25.631 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% they were talking about pulling 14:25.631 --> 14:26.365 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% back property tax relief, 14:26.365 --> 14:29.335 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% holding off on education 14:29.335 --> 14:30.169 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% increases in aid, there was some 14:30.169 --> 14:30.803 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% talk that did not come to 14:30.803 --> 14:32.972 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% fruition of delaying increases 14:32.972 --> 14:35.074 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% in engine contributions, so we 14:35.074 --> 14:39.078 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% are not in that situation 14:39.078 --> 14:39.812 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% because the administration built 14:39.812 --> 14:42.314 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% up a decent surplus. 14:42.314 --> 14:42.982 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% She was able to speak from a 14:42.982 --> 14:45.050 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% position of strength. 14:45.050 --> 14:48.053 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% The one catching all of this is 14:48.053 --> 14:49.588 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% headed into the new fiscal year, 14:49.588 --> 14:51.790 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the base is now smaller, so we 14:51.790 --> 14:54.059 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% have not seen the administration 14:54.059 --> 14:54.660 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% scale back its spending 14:54.660 --> 14:55.327 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% ambitions for the new fiscal 14:55.327 --> 14:57.263 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% year. 14:57.263 --> 14:59.732 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% In fact, there is a slight gap 14:59.732 --> 15:00.399 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% between what they planned to 15:00.399 --> 15:04.003 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% spend and collect. 15:04.003 --> 15:04.703 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% The economy could turn worse, 15:04.703 --> 15:05.371 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% revenues could drop a little 15:05.371 --> 15:08.073 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% further. 15:08.073 --> 15:08.774 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Then we have a real structural 15:08.774 --> 15:10.609 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% gap, whereas right now it is 15:10.609 --> 15:13.279 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% just the projections are a 15:13.279 --> 15:15.514 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% little lower than they thought a 15:15.514 --> 15:17.549 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% few months ago when we still 15:17.549 --> 15:20.152 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% were building up big surpluses, 15:20.152 --> 15:20.819 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and now we are building up a 15:20.819 --> 15:26.825 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% little less of a big surplus. 15:26.825 --> 15:27.693 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Governor Murphy nominated as 15:27.693 --> 15:32.598 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Supreme Court Justice. 15:32.598 --> 15:33.265 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Union County, Hudson County, 15:33.265 --> 15:35.167 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% former public defender. 15:35.167 --> 15:41.073 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Charlie, you were at the event. 15:41.073 --> 15:43.575 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% State Senator John Brad Nick won 15:43.575 --> 15:44.243 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the day with his comments on 15:44.243 --> 15:45.311 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% friends and working together. 15:45.311 --> 15:48.080 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% What did you think? 15:48.080 --> 15:50.983 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> There was no doubt. 15:50.983 --> 15:53.485 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It was a rare display of 15:53.485 --> 15:54.086 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% bipartisan cooperation, 15:54.086 --> 15:56.088 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% something you do not see often 15:56.088 --> 15:57.690 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% in Trenton or certainly in 15:57.690 --> 16:00.793 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Washington. 16:00.793 --> 16:01.593 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Certainly helped that this was a 16:01.593 --> 16:03.162 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% law partner that he was very 16:03.162 --> 16:07.266 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% close to. 16:07.266 --> 16:08.067 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> It plays well if you want to 16:08.067 --> 16:10.769 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% run for governor, right? 16:10.769 --> 16:13.806 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Let's all work together. 16:13.806 --> 16:18.610 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> That is clearly delaying John 16:18.610 --> 16:21.814 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% brandick will run in as the 16:21.814 --> 16:25.217 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% bipartisan lower I ideological 16:25.217 --> 16:28.053 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Republican, one who knows how to 16:28.053 --> 16:29.488 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% work on both sides, so this is a 16:29.488 --> 16:38.030 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% showpiece item or Murphy. 16:38.030 --> 16:38.697 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Get off the stage of comedy 16:38.697 --> 16:39.398 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% night and get on the big stage 16:39.398 --> 16:42.334 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% for governor. 16:42.334 --> 16:43.002 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Did you get any wind from 16:43.002 --> 16:45.104 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% discontent behind the scenes 16:45.104 --> 16:45.804 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% from Latino lawmakers who had 16:45.804 --> 16:51.944 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% their own candidates in mind? 16:51.944 --> 16:52.644 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> no, but I cannot say I was 16:52.644 --> 16:54.380 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% calling a ton of them. 16:54.380 --> 16:55.981 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I was working on some other 16:55.981 --> 16:58.450 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% stuff. 16:58.450 --> 17:03.355 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I know there was some talk about 17:03.355 --> 17:06.125 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% wanting a Latina, but it looks 17:06.125 --> 17:06.925 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% like this guy will sail through. 17:06.925 --> 17:11.363 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% He has got enough votes. 17:11.363 --> 17:14.566 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> The governor conditionally 17:14.566 --> 17:15.267 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% vetoed the bill on the dresses 17:15.267 --> 17:17.703 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of government officials. 17:17.703 --> 17:19.538 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I thought, change of heart, with 17:19.538 --> 17:20.272 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the bill was only vetoed because 17:20.272 --> 17:23.742 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% of a technicality over dates. 17:23.742 --> 17:24.443 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We had CJ Griffin on Chat Box 17:24.443 --> 17:26.045 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% this week, and she was 17:26.045 --> 17:28.347 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% explaining how you will not even 17:28.347 --> 17:29.081 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% get to know if you're married 17:29.081 --> 17:33.018 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and where he says he lives there 17:33.018 --> 17:33.752 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% it John, you have been down your 17:33.752 --> 17:36.755 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% share of rabbit holes. 17:36.755 --> 17:39.058 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% How hard would it be to find out 17:39.058 --> 17:43.562 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% anything about our leaders? 17:43.562 --> 17:44.229 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Definitely will make it a 17:44.229 --> 17:46.098 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% little bit harder. 17:46.098 --> 17:50.636 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I can remember doing some 17:50.636 --> 17:51.336 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% reporting where at issue was a 17:51.336 --> 17:55.007 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% second home that a lawmaker 17:55.007 --> 17:57.576 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% owned, and having the 17:57.576 --> 17:58.310 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% disclosures, you can pull those 17:58.310 --> 17:59.311 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% mortgage records and make sure 17:59.311 --> 18:03.115 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% they were saying was accurate. 18:03.115 --> 18:05.117 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I was not using those records 18:05.117 --> 18:09.588 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% for anything nefarious, more 18:09.588 --> 18:10.823 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% fact checking and double 18:10.823 --> 18:11.423 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% checking the finances of 18:11.423 --> 18:12.157 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% lawmakers, which is part of our 18:12.157 --> 18:14.126 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% job. 18:14.126 --> 18:14.960 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% They be it comes harder for us, 18:14.960 --> 18:16.295 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% harder for the public. 18:16.295 --> 18:18.864 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It is a balancing act. 18:18.864 --> 18:26.305 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We do live in a dangerous world. 18:26.305 --> 18:29.374 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% The public records law, so much 18:29.374 --> 18:30.309 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% as changed technologically since 18:30.309 --> 18:32.377 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% it was drafted, it is a huge 18:32.377 --> 18:33.078 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% lift, but it really does need 18:33.078 --> 18:37.416 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% another look. 18:37.416 --> 18:39.852 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Just think of the technological 18:39.852 --> 18:42.621 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% advancements in the last few 18:42.621 --> 18:43.288 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% years let alone the last few 18:43.288 --> 18:48.227 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% decades. 18:48.227 --> 18:48.961 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Public records laws have big -- 18:48.961 --> 18:51.263 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% become outdated. 18:51.263 --> 18:52.898 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> We heard Paul making noise 18:52.898 --> 18:54.533 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% about working on reforms. 18:54.533 --> 19:00.105 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% That sounds promising. 19:00.105 --> 19:03.275 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Yeah, taken on its own it 19:03.275 --> 19:03.976 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% sounds promising, because the 19:03.976 --> 19:07.379 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% law could use updates. 19:07.379 --> 19:09.781 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> That was a sarcasm link there 19:09.781 --> 19:13.619 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% -- wink there. 19:13.619 --> 19:14.353 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Based on the track record of 19:14.353 --> 19:15.387 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the legislature which is been 19:15.387 --> 19:18.157 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% over the last couple of years, 19:18.157 --> 19:19.091 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% steadily swallow chipping away 19:19.091 --> 19:22.794 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% at transparency measures. 19:22.794 --> 19:23.595 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% John mentioned a vacation home. 19:23.595 --> 19:26.465 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% On their financial disclosure 19:26.465 --> 19:27.199 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% forms, they not only had to list 19:27.199 --> 19:28.867 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to the address of their vacation 19:28.867 --> 19:32.671 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% home or their immediate home, 19:32.671 --> 19:33.405 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% they do not even have to list if 19:33.405 --> 19:34.106 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% they own them unless they are 19:34.106 --> 19:35.574 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% renting it out. 19:35.574 --> 19:39.344 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I think that is ridiculous. 19:39.344 --> 19:40.078 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% For public officials, we should 19:40.078 --> 19:42.948 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% be able to know these things 19:42.948 --> 19:43.682 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% read we should know where their 19:43.682 --> 19:45.684 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% houses are. 19:45.684 --> 19:46.785 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% There been a lot of scandals in 19:46.785 --> 19:48.654 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% New Jersey over the years of 19:48.654 --> 19:49.388 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% public contractors doing work on 19:49.388 --> 19:51.924 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% private homes. 19:51.924 --> 19:52.658 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I think it is sort of like the 19:52.658 --> 19:55.027 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% lobster in the water. 19:55.027 --> 19:56.728 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Everything looks like a little 19:56.728 --> 20:00.132 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% change, but these things are 20:00.132 --> 20:00.899 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% starting to add up, and Daniel's 20:00.899 --> 20:05.537 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% law, and public records 20:05.537 --> 20:10.375 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% officials, what happened to 20:10.375 --> 20:13.045 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Judge Esther Allis is a huge 20:13.045 --> 20:14.680 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% tragedy, but look up records 20:14.680 --> 20:15.280 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% right now, and they are 20:15.280 --> 20:15.881 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% rejecting everything for 20:15.881 --> 20:19.484 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% everyone. 20:19.484 --> 20:20.185 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It is a complete overly broad 20:20.185 --> 20:21.286 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% reduction of addresses and 20:21.286 --> 20:24.990 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% everything. 20:24.990 --> 20:27.059 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Look, a democracy to function, 20:27.059 --> 20:29.695 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% you need a good measure of 20:29.695 --> 20:30.362 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% transparency, and it is not 20:30.362 --> 20:35.667 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% going in the right direction. 20:35.667 --> 20:38.737 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> I would also add one of the 20:38.737 --> 20:39.638 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% big things you might want to 20:39.638 --> 20:41.206 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% know sometimes is who is 20:41.206 --> 20:43.976 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% financing the second homes. 20:43.976 --> 20:45.844 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% That would take knowing the 20:45.844 --> 20:48.780 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% address, knowing the property, 20:48.780 --> 20:49.948 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and, yes, you could probably 20:49.948 --> 20:50.582 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% still find it, it will be 20:50.582 --> 20:54.319 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% harder. 20:54.319 --> 20:56.822 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Real quick -- 20:56.822 --> 20:59.424 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> In April the County Clerk 20:59.424 --> 21:00.158 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% shut off online access to public 21:00.158 --> 21:01.827 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% records. 21:01.827 --> 21:04.329 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Now you have to travel to the 21:04.329 --> 21:05.998 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Gloucester County clerk's office 21:05.998 --> 21:07.666 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% like it is 1991, OK? 21:07.666 --> 21:10.035 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% That is not good. 21:10.035 --> 21:13.238 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% This is ridiculous, and I do not 21:13.238 --> 21:14.640 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% have much faith that the 21:14.640 --> 21:15.340 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% legislature is going to go in 21:15.340 --> 21:19.278 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% approach transparency direction. 21:19.278 --> 21:23.415 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> We are getting reports of 21:23.415 --> 21:24.016 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Christie announcing for 21:24.016 --> 21:28.153 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% president is imminent. 21:28.153 --> 21:28.887 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Do you think you and I are going 21:28.887 --> 21:31.123 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to run into each other at a bar 21:31.123 --> 21:31.723 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% in Nashua sometime next 21:31.723 --> 21:34.960 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% February? 21:34.960 --> 21:36.094 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Given our company's travel 21:36.094 --> 21:37.396 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% budget, probably not. 21:37.396 --> 21:44.202 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> [LAUGHTER] 21:44.202 --> 21:44.903 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Yes, it may be, maybe for a 21:44.903 --> 21:46.638 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% little while. 21:46.638 --> 21:52.544 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Maybe Chris Christie and his 21:52.544 --> 21:53.312 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Trump bashing routine could gain 21:53.312 --> 21:53.745 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% some traction. 21:53.745 --> 21:56.815 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% I do not see any evidence of it. 21:56.815 --> 21:57.516 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% We do not have confirmation of 21:57.516 --> 22:02.321 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% it yet. 22:02.321 --> 22:06.091 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Evidence of a rationale? 22:06.091 --> 22:07.893 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> It plays well to the never T 22:07.893 --> 22:12.497 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% rumpers. 22:12.497 --> 22:13.465 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% For the ardent base that is 22:13.465 --> 22:14.900 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% really with him and put them in 22:14.900 --> 22:15.901 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% front what her status, I do not 22:15.901 --> 22:16.601 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% see how that persuades anybody 22:16.601 --> 22:20.272 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% right now. 22:20.272 --> 22:21.006 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Time for our only interesting 22:21.006 --> 22:22.240 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% moments, headlines and notes 22:22.240 --> 22:22.874 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that are quintessentially 22:22.874 --> 22:25.310 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Jersey. 22:25.310 --> 22:28.280 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Let's start with you. 22:28.280 --> 22:31.450 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> I went to bring attention to 22:31.450 --> 22:37.789 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% some pandemic relief spending 22:37.789 --> 22:39.958 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that the legislature approved 22:39.958 --> 22:42.894 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% recently. 22:42.894 --> 22:46.865 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Only appropriate that in New 22:46.865 --> 22:49.401 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Jersey where we have already 22:49.401 --> 22:50.135 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% heavily subsidized that there is 22:50.135 --> 22:52.771 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% more public intervention. 22:52.771 --> 22:57.609 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% The argument is this will bring 22:57.609 --> 22:58.343 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Taurus -- tourists to the 22:58.343 --> 23:02.180 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% location. 23:02.180 --> 23:04.983 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Charlie, got one? 23:04.983 --> 23:08.019 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> I think that is a laughable 23:08.019 --> 23:08.653 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% use of money for pandemic 23:08.653 --> 23:11.690 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% relief, sorry. 23:11.690 --> 23:16.561 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% But I also think even more 23:16.561 --> 23:22.601 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% laughable is $3.5 million for 23:22.601 --> 23:23.235 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% this NMA cage fighting at 23:23.235 --> 23:26.571 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Preudential Center. 23:26.571 --> 23:27.305 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% What I do not understand is that 23:27.305 --> 23:28.039 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% money was approved by The Sports 23:28.039 --> 23:30.742 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Authority. 23:30.742 --> 23:33.445 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% It is not responsible for the 23:33.445 --> 23:38.083 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Preudential Center, so why are 23:38.083 --> 23:39.084 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% these -- where we financing this 23:39.084 --> 23:39.818 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% to begin with, and why did it go 23:39.818 --> 23:43.088 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that way? 23:43.088 --> 23:43.755 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% And they approved it several 23:43.755 --> 23:44.856 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% days before the event took 23:44.856 --> 23:48.126 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% place. 23:48.126 --> 23:51.096 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> It is for the economy. 23:51.096 --> 23:55.233 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Matt, in his home. 23:55.233 --> 23:57.869 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% -- bring us home. 23:57.869 --> 24:02.274 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> Classic Trenton power play. 24:02.274 --> 24:03.108 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Good government to prevent 24:03.108 --> 24:05.777 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% constitutional officers like 24:05.777 --> 24:06.545 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% County Clerk's, surrogates, and 24:06.545 --> 24:07.145 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% sheriffs from being cap 24:07.145 --> 24:09.614 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% teachers. 24:09.614 --> 24:14.386 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Just happens the bill is 24:14.386 --> 24:17.222 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% sponsored by Democratic Senator, 24:17.222 --> 24:17.923 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% and the Republican chairman is 24:17.923 --> 24:22.661 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the sheriff. 24:22.661 --> 24:23.395 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% >> I wish there was an emoji for 24:23.395 --> 24:25.997 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% that. 24:25.997 --> 24:29.034 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Mine comes from Hoboken. 24:29.034 --> 24:31.036 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% The superintendent of schools 24:31.036 --> 24:34.005 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Dr. Christine Johnson has been 24:34.005 --> 24:35.440 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% going by Dr. Christine Johnson 24:35.440 --> 24:38.510 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% for over 14 years despite the 24:38.510 --> 24:39.244 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% fact that Christine Johnson only 24:39.244 --> 24:39.911 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% just got her doctorate last 24:39.911 --> 24:43.748 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% year. 24:43.748 --> 24:45.750 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Not once in any public record or 24:45.750 --> 24:47.385 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% public gathering during her 24:47.385 --> 24:49.888 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% eight years superintendent of 24:49.888 --> 24:50.689 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% schools did Johnson try to set 24:50.689 --> 24:55.861 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% the record straight. 24:55.861 --> 24:57.529 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Now, and doctorate is not a 24:57.529 --> 24:58.230 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% requirement if you want to be 24:58.230 --> 24:59.431 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% superintendent of schools in 24:59.431 --> 25:00.098 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% Hoboken, although you would 25:00.098 --> 25:02.801 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% think it would be. 25:02.801 --> 25:05.003 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% You have to assume honesty is a 25:05.003 --> 25:07.272 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% requirement, and in that regard 25:07.272 --> 25:10.075 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% students of Hoboken, your 25:10.075 --> 25:10.709 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% superintendent gets an F. 25:10.709 --> 25:11.443 align:left position:10% line:71% size:80% And that is roundtable for this 25:11.443 --> 25:15.313 align:left position:10% 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