>>> SPOILING CHRIS CHRISTIE'

ADMINISTRATION

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REPORTING TO EXECUTIVES AN

LEGISLATIVE LEADERS IN ALL 2

COUNTIES FOR THE GARDEN STAT

SINCE 1954

>>> DAWN ZIMMER LEVELS A NEW

ALLEGATION AGAINST THE CHRISTI

ADMINISTRATION

THE GOVERNOR IGNORES ALL THE

CHATTER AND GIVES A STRAIGHT-U

SECOND INAUGURAL ADDRESS

THE LEGISLATURE MERGES ITS TWO

INVESTIGATIVE COMMITTEES

WELCOME TO "REPORTER

ROUNDTABLE," I'M MICHAEL ARON AT

THE NJTV STATE HOUSE IN TRENTON.

WITH US, FOUR REPORTERS ON THE

FRONT LINE OF THE STORY, KEVIN

McCARDLE OF TOWN SQUARE MEDI

AND NEW JERSEY 101.5 RADIO

TERRENCE PP -- TERRENCE DOPP O

BLAB NEWS, MICHAEL SIMON OFS O

THE IS "-- SIMONS OF THE "ASBURY

PARK PRESS."

DID GOVERNOR CHRISTIE'

ADMINISTRATION THREAT BACKLASH

THAT WAS THE ACCUSATION LAST

WEEKEND.

ON TUESDAY, THE GOVERNMENT

ENGULFED IN A SECOND

CONTROVERSY, STOOD AND DELIVERED

HIS SECOND INAUGURAL ADDRESS

UNLIKE IN HIS STATE OF THE STATE

SPEECH THE WEEK BEFORE, HE MAD

NO REFERENCE TO WHAT ONE ANALYST

CALLED THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM,

THE POINT WE EXPLORED IN

GATHERING POST SPEECH REACTION

WERE YOU SURPRISED THAT HE

DIDN'T ALLUDE TO THE CRISIS HE'S

FACING

>> I'M NOT SURPRISED

THERE'S NO NEED TO ALLUDE TO IT.

EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTRY AND THE

WORLD KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON IN

THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY.

>> HOW EASY WILL IT BE TO RIDE

OUT THE MEDIA STORM?

>> I THINK HE TOOK

RESPONSIBILITY, HE TERMINATED

COUPLE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T TEL

HIM THE TRUTH.

HE'S BEEN FRANK AND TOOK HEAD-ON

RESPONSIBILITY

UNLIKE PERHAPS SOME OTHE

FIGURES YOU MIGHT CONTRAST HIM

TO

>> WHO ARE YOU THINKING OF

>> SOME NATIONAL FIGURES

>> I SAW ON THE "TODAY" SHOW

"MEET THE PRESS," I'VE GOT

NOTHING TO SAY BASICALLY

I DON'T WANT TO GO ON THOS

SHOWS.

"GOOD MORNING AMERICA.

YOU KNOW, YOU NAME IT, "WALL

STREET JOURNAL," NEW YORK TIMES.

AND THE -- AND THERE'S NOTHING

MORE TO SAY.

EVERYTHING'S SAID I THINK -- NOW

THE INVESTIGATION, HOPEFULLY A

FAIR ONE, WILL TAKE PLACE.

WE'LL FIND OUT -- FIND OUT THE

TRUTH.

>> KEVIN, WHERE ARE WE IN THIS

SCANDAL?

>> IT CONTINUES TO UNRAVEL AS WE

KNOW

THURSDAY AFTERNOON IT CAME T

LIGHT THAT THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S

OFFICE SUBPOENAED THE STAT

COMMITTEE, REPUBLICAN STAT

COMMITTEE AND ALSO ISSUE

SUBPOENAS REGARDING -- TO TH

CHRISTIE FOR GOVERNOR CAMPAIGN

BUT MARK SHERIDAN, THE ATTORNE

FOR THE CHRISTIE FOR GOVERNO

CAMPAIGN SAID CLEARLY ALL TH

DOCUMENTS HAD TO DO WITH THE

GEORGE WASHINGTON BRIDGE ACCES

LANE CLOSURES.

DIDN'T SAY THEY HAD ANYTHING T

DO WITH THE DAWN ZIMME

ALLEGATIONSES.

WE HAVE UNTIL FEBRUARY 23rd FO

THE SUBPOENAS TO BE ISSUED

THE ONES ISSUED BY THE

LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE.

WE HAVE NOW FEBRUARY 5th TO FIND

OUT OR -- I DON'T KNOW THA

WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT THE U.S.

ATTORNEY GETS BACK

IT TONS UNRAVEL.

THERE'S TOO MANY QUESTIONS, BU

STILL HAVE YET TO BE ANSWERED.

YOU KNOW, IT'S WHAT WE'RE GOIN

TO BE DOING FOR TH

UNFORESEEABLE FUTURE FOR SURE.

>> DARRELL, HOW DO YOU SEE WHERE

WE ARE AT THE SNOEMT

>> I THINK IT'S CLEAR -- AT TH

MOMENT

>> I THINK IT'S CLEAR IT'S NOT

STOPPING ANY TIME SOON

EACH TIME THERE'S A LULL, IT

RAMPS BACK UP AGAIN.

I THINK AS KEVIN SAID WE'LL BE

DEALING WITH THIS FOR A LONG

TIME

I THINK YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF

ISSUES HERE.

THESE -- AS KEVIN SAID, TH

SUBPOENA WAS JUST FOR DOCUMENT

ON THE GEORGE WASHINGTON BRIDGE.

WE DO KNOW THE U.S. ATTORNEY I

INTERESTED IN THE HOBOKEN CASE

AS WELL.

>> WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE DAWN

ZIMMER SAID THAT SHE SPOKE T

PEOPLE IN THE -- IN THE U.S.

ATTORNEY'S OFFICE LAST SUNDAY,

AND THOSE PEOPLE -- PEOPLE WHO

SHE SUPPOSEDLY TOLD THIS ALL T

ALSO SAY THEY HAVE BEE

INTERVIEWED BY THE FBI

>> BY THE FBI.

YEAH

EXACTLY.

>> NOW WE KNOW IT --

>> EXACTLY

WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING

AT LEAST I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING

FIRSTHAND THAT THEY'VE BEE

THERE.

THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS THAT THE

FBI HAS QUESTIONED PEOPLE WH

WOULD KNOW OR WHO ZIMMER SAY

SHE TOLD BACK WHEN THE ALLEGED

THREATS WERE MADE.

>> IT'S A TWO-FRONT WAR NOW.

IF YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE, O

EITHER SIDE OF IT, HOW DO YO

SEE WHERE THINGS STAND

>> AS DAMAGING AS THE BRIDGE

THING, THE HOBOKEN ONE I

POTENTIALLY WORSE.

IN PART BECAUSE THE WAY THAT

DAWN ZIMMER TELLS THE STORI, I

MORE DIRECTLY IMPLICATES

GOVERNOR CHRISTIE.

WE DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING THA

WAS SAID TO THE MAYOR OF HOBOKEN

ALONG THE WAY.

SHE TALKED ABOUT THIS MEETIN

THAT SHE HAD WITH THE LIEUTENANT

GOVERNOR IN MAY AND -- AND HER

VERSION OF WHAT HAPPENED THERE

SHE TALKED ABOUT SIMILAR MESSAGE

SHE SAYS SHE GOT FROM THE DC

COMMISSIONER CONSTABLE

SHE ALSO LADDED IN THE HEAD OF

THE SANDY ROVER OFFICE

THREE PEOPLE WHO SHE SAID HA

GIVEN HER MESSAGES

WHAT INTERESTS SUBCOMMITTE

THERE'S THIS APRIL LETTER WHER

SHE WROTE TO THE GOVERNOR AN

MAKES THE CONNECTION BETWEEN

YOU KNOW, IT'S -- I THINK TH

WAY SHE WORDED IT WAS, YOU KNO

OTHER OTHER COMMUNITIES AREN'T

BEING ASKED TO TIE DEVELOPMENT

TO SANDY FUNDS

AND THAT COMES BEFORE ANY OF

THOSE MEETINGS THAT SHE TALKED

ABOUT IN THOSE TELEVISIO

INTERVIEWS

SO WHAT WE KNOW OF WHAT DAWN

ZIMMER SAID AT THIS POINT, W

STILL DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY SH

THINKS THAT THAT PRESSURE BEGA

IN THE FIRST PLACE

SO THIS IS A STORY PARTICULARL

IF WE'RE ON A TIMETABLE WHERE WE

WAIT FOR THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S

OFFICE TO COMPLETE ITS

INVESTIGATION, THAT IT'S GOING

TO TAKE A WHILE, WHICH I

PROBABLY NOT WHAT THE GOVERNOR'S

OFFICE WANTS TO HEAR

>> TERRY, WHERE DO YOU SEE IT AT

THE MOMENT

>> AT THE MOMENT, I THINK IT'S

GOING TO KEEP GOING IN THE SOR

OF FITS AND STARTS BECAUSE I

YOU LOOK, IT'S LIKE, WELL, THERE

ARE MOMENTS OF CRAZY EXCITEMENT,

THEN A COUPLE OF DAY REST.

THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER FRON

OPENS UP

I THINK IT'S GOING TO GO IN FITS

AND STARTS

THE HOBOKEN ISSUE IS INTERESTING

TO SEE YOU THIS DEVELOPS

I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE MORE OF

A SENSE OF BEWONDERMENT AMON

SOME PEOPLE AT WHAT'S HAPPENIN

IN HOBOKEN

AND TO SEE HOW THAT FULL

DEVELOPS

I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WILL

KNOW THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE

>> DO YOU AGREE WITH MIKE THAT

HOBOKEN IS POTENTIALLY MOR

SERIOUS THAN THE GEORG

WASHINGTON BRIDGE?

SOMETHING I'M NOT SURE I AGREE

WITH IF.

>> -- AGREE WITH

>> THE REASON IT'S POTENTIALLY

MORE SERIOUS FOR THE GOVERNOR IS

NOT EVEN AS MUCH I'M NOT -- I'

NOT A LAWYER SO I'M NOT GOING TO

GET INTO THE SORT OF CRIMINA

ASPECTS OF IT.

IF YOU LOOK AT IT PURELY FROM

POLITICAL ASPECT, THERE'S SORT

OF THIS NEBULOUS IDEA THAT

SOMETHING MIGHT HAVE GONE OUT ON

THAT BRIDGE.

WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT I

IS

WE MAY OR MAY NOT EVER HAVE

SMOKING GUN DIRECTLY TO TH

GOVERNOR

HERE YOU HAVE A MAYOR STANDING

UP SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, TH

ADMINISTRATION SAID ON HIS

BEHALF THEY PRESSURED ME INT

DEVELOPING A PROJECT -

>> THAT IT IMPLICATES TH

GOVERNOR MORE DIRECTLY THAN TH

BRIDGE THING -

>> YES, I DO

IT'S ALSO FROM A PUBLI

PERSPECTIVE STANDPOINT

IT'S EASIER FOR PEOPLE T

UNDERSTAND

IT'S NOT NEBULOUS.

IT'S A CONCRETE DEVELOPMENT.

POLITICALLY SPEAKING DISH.

>> THEY'RE BOTH PRETTY EASY TO

UNDERSTAND

BUT THEY'RE -- THERE'S THI

NOTION THAT WHAT HAPPENED IN

HOBOKEN IS POLITICS AS USUAL

WHEREAS WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE

BRIDGE IS -- IS EXCESSIVE.

ANY OF YOU WANT TO SPEAK T

THAT

>> WELL, I WOULD SAY THE REASO

WHY IN MY OPINION THE HOBOKE

SITUATION COULD BE A BIT MOR

SERIOUS TO THE GOVERNOR HIMSEL

IS THESE ARE FEDERAL FUNDS

THESE ARE VOTED ON BY LAWMAKER

IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.

IT COULD BE MISUSE OF FEDERA

FUNDS.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE

NOTE THAT ON MONDAY AT A MARTI

LUTHER KING DAY EVENT I THINK IN

UNION BEACH, THE LIEUTENAN

GOVERNOR COULD NOT HAVE BEEN

MORE ADAMANT IN DENYING MAYO

ZIMMER'S CHARGE.

THAT IS ONE ASPECT OF IT

NOW YOU'RE MESSING WITH TH

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT -

>> COMMISSIONER CONSTABLE IFFO

CAMERA BUT PUTTING OUT A -- IF

NOT ON CAMERA BUT PUTTING OUT

COUPLE OF STATEMENT.

>> RIGHT

THE GEORGE WASHINGTON THING

THINK IS -- ON FOR LACK OF A

BETTER PHRASE -- SEXIER THAN THE

OTHER.

THAT'S NOT THE BIGGEST IN TH

REGION OR COUNTRY -- IT'S TH

BUSIEST BRIDGE IN THE WORLD.

SO PEOPLE ARE JUST STUNNED A

THE ABJECT STUPIDITY THAT IT

MIGHT HAVE BEEN CLOSED FOR THE

REASON IT WAS.

>> ON THAT FRONT, I THINK TH

SANDY THING TOUCHES PEOPLE MORE.

EVERYBODY KNOWS WE GOT KILLED IN

SANDY.

EVEN THOUGH THESE POOLS MONE

HAVE BEEN IN THIS WHOLE THING,

WHEN YOU HEAR SOMEBODY SAY WE'RE

NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU MONEY YO

NEED TO REBUILD AFTER SAND

UNLESS YOU DO WHAT WE TELL YOU

I THINK THAT RESONATES WIT

PEOPLE

ESPECIALLY IN COUNTY WHERE

PEOPLE GOT HAMMERED BY THIS.

ON ONE HAND THEY LOOK AND SAY,

OH, TRAFFIC UP IN FT. LEE EVER

DAY.

THIS ISN'T A BIG DEAL.

THE OTHER THING, WOW, THIS GUY

CAN'T REBUILD HIS HOUSE OR

BUSINESS BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR'

PLAYING POLITICS

IT'S MORE COMPLICATED AS WE'VE

COME TO FIND OUT

BUT THAT'S THE MESSAGE THA

COMES OUT OF THIS.

I THINK THAT RESONATES

>> ANOTHER REASON WH

POLITICALLY SPEAKING, NO

LEGALLY AGAIN, THE HOBOKEN

SITUATION COULD BE MORE SERIOU

FOR THE GOVERNOR IS THAT -- IN

HOBOKEN, TWO OF THE THRE

PREVIOUS MAYORS HAD GONE TO JAIL

FOR CORRUPTION

ONE OF THEM EXTREMELY PUBLICLY

CAMERANO

HERE YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHER

THE ACCUSATION IS YOU HAVE A

GOVERNOR WHO CAME IN TO OFFICE

PLEDGING TO TURN THING UPSID

DOWN, INVOLVED IN AN ALLEGATIO

OF CORRUPTION AND HOLDING MONE

HOSTAGE IN HOBOKEN

IN HUDSON COUNTY

YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SORT OF

SHIFT.

EVERYONE KNOWS IT'S AN EASIE

ISSUE FOR EVERYONE TO LATCH ON

TO THAN HEY, PEOPLE GOT STUCK IN

A TRAFFIC JAM.

MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN TIED TO

THE GOVERNOR

>> AND ON THE POLITICAL SIDE,

LOT OF THE GOVERNORS' REPUTATION

WAS BUILT ON SANDY

AND HOW HE RESPONDED TO IT

SO IT WOULD BE PERSON FOR HI

THIS THIS NOT STICK AND THEN

BECOME PART OF THAT STORY WHIC

IS, YEAH, HE DID A GREAT JOB

WITH THE HURRICANE AND THEN HE

BROWBEAT CONGRESS AND THEN DID

THIS WITH THE MONEY.

WE HAVE NO PROOF THAT ANY OF

THAT HAPPENED --

>> USED IT FOR HIS OWN POLITICAL

GAIN -

>> EXACTLY

THERE'S NO PROOF ANY OF THAT HAS

HAPPENED AT THIS POINT

BUT IF IT BECOMES WHAT PEOPL

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS, THAT'S BA

POLITICALLY.

>> HOW IS THE GOVERNOR'S OFFIC

DEALING WITH ALL OF THIS

HOW -- WHAT POSTURE ARE THEY

TAKING

WHAT STRATEGY ARE THEY

SUGGESTING OR REVEALING?

>> THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS I'V

SEEN

ONE IS VERY MUCH A DUCK AN

COUGH.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD -

DUCK AND COVER

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD THE

SAME EXPERIENCE.

ON THE PHONE, NOBODY WANT TO SAY

A WORD ABOUT ANYTHING.

MINOR, WHAT TIME IS, IT I'M NO

TELLING YOU ANYTHING

>> GOOD, IT'S NOT JUST ME.

>> I CALLED THE OTHER DAY FOR

BASIC QUESTION

IT WAS LIKE, "WE CAN'T HELP YO

NOW.

THE OTHER I THINK -- WHAT YOU'VE

SEEN OUT THERE IS AN ATTEMPT NOT

AS MUCH FROM THE GOVERNOR'

OFFICE THOUGH THEY HAVE DONE IT,

AS WELL, IS THE ATTEMPT TO PUS

BACK ON THE PARTISAN ATTAC

FRONT.

THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE CAME OUT

WITH A SCATHING, SCATHIN

RESPONSE THAT ATTACKED MSNBCMENT

AND YOU'VE SEEN AROUND THE

COUNTRY KIND -- MSNBC.

AND YOU'VE SEEN AROUND THE

COUNTRY KIND OF SYMPATHETI

FIGURES.

SOME OF THE MEDIA SAYING WE'VE

GONE OVERBOARD, THIS IS GETTIN

RIDICULOUS

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC AT A

BRIDGE HERE.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LIVE

LOST AND THINGS LIKE IT.

YOU'VE SEEN THE PUSH BAC

AGAINST THAT -- THAT DOG PILE.

>> ANYBODY ELSE SEE ANYTHING I

WHAT THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE -- OR

THE GOVERNOR HIMSELF IS DOING?

>> A LITTLE BIT OF A CIRCLE TH

WAGON MENTALITY, I WOULD SAY

ALL QUIET ON THAT WESTERN FRONT.

AND TRYING TO PIT IT BEHIND HIM.

>> AND IN HIS SPEECH ON TUESDAY,

SECOND INAUGURAL, I WENT TO TH

WAR MEMORIAL THINKING WILL HE OR

WON'T HE BRING IT UP

AND THEN WHEN HE DIDN'T BRING IT

UP, I THOUGHT OF COURSE HE'S NOT

GOING BRING IT UP.

THERE'S THE RED BOOK THAT WE ALL

USED TO LIVE BY.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL

PUBLISHED BUT IT USED TO BE TH

BIBLE OF NEW JERSEY STAT

GOVERNMENT

AND IT CARRIES THE MOST RECENT

INAUGURAL ADDRESS.

I THOUGHT, CHRISTIE ISN'T GOIN

TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A SCANDA

THAT WOULD FIND ITS WAY INTO THE

RED BOOK FOR THE NEXT 20 OR 30

YEARS WHEN THE SCANDAL COULD ALL

EVAPORATE IN THREE WEEKS' TIME

SO WE LOOKED FOR SOMETHING THA

HE DID SAY IN THE SPEECH THA

WOULD BE INTERESTING

HERE, LET'S TRY THIS ONE

>> TODAY, I THANK ALL THOSE WH

HAVE ONCE AGAIN PLACED THEIR

FAITH AND TRUST IN ME, AND I

MAKE THIS PROM ICE -- I WILL NOT

LET UP

I WILL INSIST WE WORK TOGETHER

AND I WILL MAKE THIS GOVERNMEN

TRULY WORK FOR THOSE WHO PAY FOR

IT

>> WAS HE SAYING THAT -- H

WOULD PROVIDE GOVERNMENT FOR THE

WEALTHY AND NOT FOR TH

FREELOADERS OR THE NEEDY

DEPENDENT ON GOVERNMENT, WHO

AREN'T PAYING FOR IT

WHAT WAS HE TRYING TO SAY THERE?

>> WOW

>> YOU GUYS INTERPRET HIS WORD

ALL THE TIME

WHAT WAS HE SAYING

>> I THINK GIVE THE GUY TH

BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT

I THINK HE WAS JUST TRYING T

CREATE WAY WAY FOR -- GIVE

EVERYONE A BUY-IN TO THE

GOVERNMENT

MAKE GOVERNMENT WORK

>> HE SAID LATER, I'M NOT GOIN

TO TAX THE WEALTHY THE WAY -- HE

IMPLIED THE WAY DEBLASIO IN NE

YORK IS DOING.

>> RIGHT

BUT I MEAN, I'M NOT READY TO

BLAST HIM, AS THAT BEING A SOR

OF DOG WHISTLE FOR, YOU KNOW

GOVERNMENT FORMED BY THE

HEALTHY.

I WAS TRYING TO CONVINCE THE

AVERAGE PERSON, HEY, THIS IS

YOUR GOVERNMENT.

>> EVERYONE AGREED

>> AGREED.

AGAIN THE BACKDROP OF THE BRIDGE

GATE SITUATION AND THE

ALLEGATIONS OUT OF HOBOKEN

LISTEN TO IT DIFFERENTLY

THE ONE THING -- AGAIN, I DON'

KNOW, AND WE'RE ALL CLEARLY GOOD

AT PARSING AND CAPTURING WHA

WE'RE SAYING

WHEN HE SAID WE HAVE PUT

PARTISAN POLITICS ASIDE ON THE

ISSUES IMPORTANT TO THE PEOPLE

CLEARLY WHAT'S GOING ON IN

BRIDGE GATE IS PARTISAN, BUT T

ME I WAS LIKE, IF HE SAYING THAT

THAT ISSUE'S NOT IMPORTANT

SO I'M NOT REALLY WORRIED ABOU

THE PARTISANSHIP GOING ON THERE.

PROBABLY NOT

MAYBE SO

I DON'T KNOW

>> ON THAT VERY MORNING OF HIS

SECOND INAUGURAL, SENATE

MAJORITY AND ASSEMBLY MAJORITY

ANNOUNCED THAT THEY WOULD MERG

THE TWO COMMITTEES INVESTIGATING

ALL OF THIS INTO -- AT LEAST

INVESTIGATING THE BRIDGE

SCANDAL.

MERGE THE TWO COMMITTEES TO ONE.

AS MANY PEOPLE AND EDITORIAL

WRITERS HAVE BEEN CALLING FO

FOR A WEEK OR TEN DAYS

BUT THE TIMING WAS -- A LITTLE

STRANGE.

AN HOUR BEFORE HIS SPEECH, THE

ANNOUNCE THIS -- I WONDER IF

THEY WERE DELIBERATELY TRYING TO

STEP ON HIS WAY.

I ASKED FORMER GOVERNOR DICK

CODY THAT QUESTION THIS WEEK

HE DIDN'T THINK SO

HE THOUGHT IT WAS JUST, YO

KNOW, THEY FINALLY GOT I

TOGETHER TO DO WHAT A LOT OF

PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY SHOULD HAV

DONE THE FIRST TIME DID.

ANYBODIELS HAVE THAT THOUGHT

THAT THIS -- ANYBODY ELSE HAVE

THAT THOUGHT

THAT THIS WAS POLITICA

MISCHIEF

>> IT MAY HAVE BEEN, BUT I THINK

THERE'S A VERY, VERY BIG FEVER

INSIDE DEMOCRATIC CIRCLE THAT'

THEY'RE GOING TO BLOW THIS

THAT GOT SOMETHING AND DON'T

WANT TO TRY IT UP AS WE'VE SEE

THEM DO ON OTHER THINGS IN THE

PAST

SO I THINK THEY WERE IN A HURR

TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY SORT OF

QUELLED THIS DUAL PATH THAT WA

GOING OFF IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS

--

>> I SPOKE TO STEVE SWEENEY THAT

DAY.

HE -- HE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT H

HAD HEARD THE CRITICISM OF THE

2003 COMMITTEES.

AND YET, IF YOU HAVE TWO

COMMITTEES AND SAY FOR

ARGUMENT'S SAKE, BRIDGETTE KELLY

GOES BEFORE ONE COMMITTEE -- I

YOU HAVE A SECOND COMMITTEE YO

HAVE A SECOND SHOT AT THE APPL

BASED ON WHAT SHE TOLD THE FIRST

COMMITTEE.

SO MAYBE THEY UNDERCUT THE

INVESTIGATION POTENCY OF THE

EFFORT BY GOING TO ONE

COMMUNITY.

>> THE DAY THAT IT WAS -- THAT

IT HAPPENED, THAT THE TW

COMMITTEES CAME OUT, I GOT A

TELLING FOREIGN EXCHANGE A

DEMOCRAT WHO SAID, "DID WE JUS

FIND A WAY TO BLOW THIS?

SO I THINK THERE WAS SOM

INTERNAL STRIFE GOING ON THAT WE

NEED TO REIGN THIS IN A BIT.

>> YEAH.

RAINING -- I THINK THERE WAS

SOME CONCERN AMONG SOME IN THE

DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT YOU HAVE

TWO COMMITTEES -- LIKE, WELL

WHO SUBPOENAS WHO?

WHO GETS TESTIMONY FROM WHO?

DO WE SHARE DOCUMENTS?

YOU KNOW, THERE'S -- DO WE DO IT

AS IF WE ARE BOTH RUNNING TW

COMPLETELY SEPARATE OR DO WE

SORT OF COORDINATE -

>> CRIPPLING OURSELVES

>> THE FEELING IS YOU HAVE EIGHT

ASSEMBLY MEMBERS, FOUR SENATORS,

SO YOU HAVE A PRETTY GOO

REPUTATION PROPORTIONALLY FROM

BOTH HOUSES.

YOU SHARE WHAT'S PREVIOUSLY BEEN

UNEARTHED IN EITHER HOUSE.

YOU KNOW, YOUR A LITTLE BIT MORE

COORDINATED.

MAYBE IT YOU DON'T GET A SECON

SHOT AT THE APPLE AS YOU PUT IT,

YOU STILL GET A BETTER FIRST

SHOT

>> HAVE THE NAMES COME OUT

>> NO.

NOT YET.

>> MONDAY IS THE VOTE.

I THINK IT AOL -- I THINK IT'S

GOOD FOR THE TAXPAYERS WHO PAY

FOR THE GOVERNMENT THAT THERE'

ONE SPECIAL COUNCIL AS OPPOSED

TO TWO BECAUSE THAT BILL I

GOING TO PROBABLY GET PRETTY

LARGE PRETTY QUICK

WHEN THEY VOTE MONDAY, AND

GRANDSON WE'LL FIND OUT TH

COMMITTEE MEMBERS MONDAY, BUT

THINK IT WILL BE INTERESTING T

WATCH HOW THE REPUBLICAN

APPROACH THIS DEBATE BECAUSE THE

FIRST TIME WHEN THE VOTES WERE

ANONYMOUS IN EITHER HOUSE, THA

WAS BEFORE THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE

HAD TAKEN A NEW MORE AGGRESSIV

TAX ABOUT QUESTIONING TH

MOTIVATIONS BEHIND A LOT OF TH

THIS

SO IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO

WATCH.

>> I KNOW THAT THERE -- THER

WERE COMPLAINTS IN THE

LEGISLATURE THAT MAINLY FROM

JOHN BROWN AND FELLO

REPUBLICANS THAT THE DEMOCRATS

HAVE HIJACKED THE INVESTIGATION.

THAT WIZZIES IN KEY'S GOING TO

RUN IT -- WISNEFSKIE IS GOING TO

RUN IT LIKE A DICTATOR

HAS THE GOVERNMENT STEPPED UP?

>> I THINK THAT WHEN THE MOR

THAN STORY ON HOBOKEN CAME OUT

THAT AT THAT POINT, THEY -

SURE, THEY BEGAN ON THE HOBOKE

PART AT FIRST, BUT THEN THEY

ALSO HAD OUT A RELEASE

CRITICIZING SOME OF THE THINGS

THAT WISNEFSKI HAD SAID, WHICH

IS PART OF WHAT YOU HEARD TH

PREVIOUS SPEAKER AND THE

QUESTIONS, PROBABLY WHY IT'S

WISE TO KEEP THIS FOCUSED ON THE

BRIDGE AND LEAVE HOBOKEN STUFF

TO OTHER AUTHORITIES

AND I THINK AT FIRST, TH

COMMENTS IN DEMOCRATS WERE

WELL, MAYBE WE HAVE TO GO THERE.

AND THEY'VE CHANGED DIRECTION --

>> REALLY?

THEY'RE GOING STAY WITH TH

BRIDGE AND NOT GO OVER TO HO

BROKEN

>> UNDERSTAND IMMEDIATELY.

>> NOT IMMEDIATELY

ASSEMBLYMAN WISNEFSKI TALKED

ABOUT THE 1-MEMBER PANEL AND

ASKED ABOUT THE HOBOKEN MAYOR'

ALLEGATIONS AND SAID IT WOULD BE

PREMATURE TO DO NOW THAT NOW

WITH REGARD TO THE MILLSTACK AND

BITE AT THE APPLE ARGUMENT,

THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT.

IT'S CRITICAL, ACTUALLY, THA

THIS PANEL IS STAFFED WITH THE

BEST AND BRIGHTEST YOU CAN HAV

BECAUSE YOU DON'T NEED A SECON

BITE AT THE APPLE.

THERE'S NO TIME CLOCK.

YOU CAN KEEP ASKING QUESTION

UNTIL ONE OF THE CHAIRS GAVELS

AT CLOSING

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WEE

ASKING

DOESN'T MATTER WHAT TIME THE

CLOCK SAYS

YOU WEEP ASKING.

>> THEN CALL HIM BACK, TOO

>> YEP

>> CALL HIM BACK

>> YEAH.

>> THERE ARE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE

MOURNING WHAT HAS BECOME O

THEIR HERO

THOSE WHO THOUGHT CHRIS CHRISTIE

WAS IN LINE TO BE THE -- A

LEAST THE FRONT-RUNNER FOR THE

2016 REPUBLICAN NOMINATION ARE

SERIOUSLY CONCERNED THAT HE'

WOUNDED NOW.

LET'S -- LET'S HEAR FORMER

GOVERNOR TOM CANE ONE MORE TIME.

>> THIS GOVERNMENT IS -- THI

GOVERNMENT CAN GROW.

AND I'D LIKE TO RUN FO

PRESIDENT, BUT -- WHETHER OR NOT

I DON'T KNOW BUT I WOULD LIK

TO

>> YOU'D LIKE TO SEE HIM RUN

>> I WOULD

I THINK HE'S GOT A LOT IT OFFE

THE COUNTRY, I DO.

>> DO YOU SENSE THIS, THAT THERE

ARE PEOPLE WHO THINK AS TOM CANE

SAID HE HAS A LOT IT OFFER THE

COUNTRY AND NOW HE'S DAMAGED

GOODS?

>> THAT'S ONE WAY.

AND THERE'S ANOTHER WAY IN I

YOU TALK TO THE POLITICA

SCIENCES AND ACADEMICS

ONE OF THE ALTERNATE THEORIE

GOING AROUND IS THAT THIS COUL

ACTUALLY -- IF CHRIS CHRISTI

HAS TRADITIONALLY BEEN MALIGNE

BY THE FAR RIGHT OF HIS OW

PARTY, THIS COULD ACTUALLY BUY

HIM CREDIBILITY IN A REPUBLICA

PRIMARY IN TERMS OF JUST PEOPL

SAYING, PEOPLE IN IOWA AND

PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IN NEBRASK

SAYING, "WAIT, THIS IS TRAFFIC

AT A BRIDGE.

SOME IS NOT SOMETHING WE

NECESSARILY GET.

>> IT COULD BE BACKLASH?

>> YEAH.

BECAUSE HERE'S A GUY WHO WAS

CRITICIZED FOR HIS COOPERATION

WITH THE PRESIDENT AND WIT

DEMOCRATS.

YOU IN BEING MALIGNED BAY TH

"DEMOCRATIC MEDIA" AND LIBERAL

MEDIA.

THERE'S A THOUGHT THAT IT COUL

BUY HIM CREDIBILITY WITH A

CERTAIN SEGMENT.

HIS --

>> MY ENMOOE IS MY ENEMY, MY

FRIEND -- ENEMY IS MY ENEMY, M

FRIEND IS MY FRIEND.

A QUOTE THAT'S BEEN KICKED

AROUND

>> THERE'S SO MUCH COMMENTAR

GOING ON AT THE MOMENT

SOMEBODY SAID THAT HE THINKS

CHRIS CHRISTIE'S ROLE MODEL IN

ALL OF THIS IS BILL CLINTON.

YOU JUST -- YOU JUST KEE

SLOGGING THROUGH WHATEVER'

THROWN AT YOU.

YOU STAY UPRIGHT, AND YOU STAY

TOUGH.

>> THERE'S CERTAINLY PRECEDENT

I MEAN, CERTAINLY PRECEDENT FO

PEOPLE EMERGING ON THE OTHER

SIDE OF THE SCANDALS

AND SUCCEEDING

I MEAN, BILL CLINTON'S THE MOS

POPULAR DEMOCRAT IN THE COUNTR

NOW.

THERE WAS A POINT WHEN YOU

DIDN'T THINK HE WOULD GE

THROUGH THAT -- THROUGH THAT

ELECTION

AND SO I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY

RIGHT.

YOU LOOK AND SAY, LOOK, THIS GUY

BECAME THE PRESIDENT AND NOW

HE'S LIONIZED IN THE PARTY

I DON'T THINK HIS OBITUARY

SHOULD BE WRITTEN YET.

>> NO QUESTION

WHEN YOU SAID IS HE WOUNDED,

CLEARLY HE'S WOUNDED

HE'S NOT DEAD IN THE WATER

ON THE FRIDAY EDITION OF THE

"TODAY" SHOW, MITT ROMNEY WAS ON

MAINLY BECAUSE OFFAL ARTICLE

ABOUT HIM.

HE WAS ASKED ABOUT CHRIS

CHRISTIE

HE SAID, I THINK THINK HE'S GO

WHAT IT TAKES TO BE A PRESIDENT.

HE'S TOUGH AND WAS A LEADER.

AND THE PREVIOUS STICK

COLLECTION IS STANDING BY.

>> WHAT'S NEXT, SUBPOENAS ON

FEBRUARY rd?

THE NEXT MARKER THAT WE'RE

POINTING TOWARD?

>> RIGHT

I THINK AFTER THE DOCUMENTS COME

IN AND THEY'RE DUE ON THE THIRD,

YOU KNOW, WHO'S TO SAY THA

SOMEBODY MIGHT REQUEST O

RECEIVE AN EXTENSION FOR WHE

THOSE COME IN.

AFTER THAT WE'LL BE HAVE

LAWMAKERS LOOK THROUGH THAT AN

DECIDING WHO TO INVITE IN FO

TESTIMONY.

I IMAGINE BY MID-FEBRUARY.

>> MEANWHILE, THE U.S.

ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS

INVESTIGATING.

I SAW SOME COMMENTARY THIS

MORNING SUGGESTING THAT -- O

POINTING, UNDERSCORING THE IRONY

THAT U.S. ATTORNEY

INVESTIGATING THE FORMER

POWERFUL, FAMOUS U.S. ATTORNEY

THAT PEOPLE IN THE FBI IN THAT

OFFICE MAY STILL HAVE FEELINGS

OF LOYALTY OR AD -- ADMINATION

FOR HIM.

WONDERING IF THIS WOULD LEAD T

A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR OUTSIDE I

NEW YORK

BUFF WE'RE OUT OF TIME SO

CAN'T GET ANY ANSWERS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

JERRY, MIKE, DARRELL, KEVIN.

WE'LL BE BACK WITH ANOTHER

"ROUNDTABLE" NEXT SATURDAY A

5:30 P.M. AND SUNDAY AT 9:00 ON.

THIS WEEK'S, ADDITION OF "ON THE

RECORD," KEAN'S UNIVERSITY'S

CONTROVERSIAL PRESIDENT.

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SUNDAYS AT 10:00 FOR ROBUS

COVERAGE OF THE CONTROVERS

SURROUNDING GOVERNOR CHRISTIE.

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7:30, AND 11:00.

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