1 00:00:03,900 --> 00:00:06,600 TIM: WELCOME BACK. 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,833 A BUSY HECTIC NEWS WEEK IN OUR 3 00:00:08,833 --> 00:00:10,233 TOWN HENCE A CORRESPONDENTS 4 00:00:10,233 --> 00:00:11,266 EDITION OF OTR IS UP NEXT. 5 00:00:11,266 --> 00:00:18,633 A BIPARTISAN DEAL ON TAX CUTS 6 00:00:18,633 --> 00:00:19,366 GOES POOF AND A DISAGREEMENT 7 00:00:19,366 --> 00:00:20,233 OVER MOVING UP THE MICHIGAN 8 00:00:20,233 --> 00:00:21,000 PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY. 9 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:21,700 ON THE OTR PANEL JONATHAN 10 00:00:21,700 --> 00:00:22,333 OOSTING, ALYSSA BURR, EMILY 11 00:00:22,333 --> 00:00:22,966 CLARK, LAUREN GIBBONS AND CRAIG 12 00:00:22,966 --> 00:00:23,533 MAUGER. 13 00:00:23,533 --> 00:00:24,366 SIT IN WITH US AS WE GET THE 14 00:00:24,366 --> 00:00:33,933 INSIDE OUT, "OFF THE RECORD." 15 00:00:33,933 --> 00:00:36,166 ANNOUNCER: PRODUCTION OFF "OFF 16 00:00:36,166 --> 00:00:40,000 THE RECORD" IS MADE POSSIBLE IN 17 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:45,300 PART BY MARTIN WAYMIRE. 18 00:00:45,300 --> 00:00:48,900 LEARN MORE AT MARTINWAYMIRE.COM. 19 00:00:48,900 --> 00:00:50,666 NOW THIS TED DIGS OF "OFF THE 20 00:00:50,666 --> 00:00:52,466 RECORD" WITH TIM SKUBICK. 21 00:00:52,466 --> 00:00:53,566 TIM: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 22 00:00:53,566 --> 00:00:55,933 WELCOME TO STUDIO C ON THIS 23 00:00:55,933 --> 00:00:56,333 WINTRY MORNING. 24 00:00:56,333 --> 00:00:57,933 WE HAVE A BUSY NEWSWEEK AND THE 25 00:00:57,933 --> 00:00:59,800 TAX ISSUE IS LIVE AND WELL, OR 26 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,666 NOT DEPENDING ON YOUR VOTE OF 27 00:01:02,666 --> 00:01:03,300 FEW. 28 00:01:03,300 --> 00:01:04,066 ALYSSA, A HAPPENED IN THE SENATE 29 00:01:04,066 --> 00:01:04,866 THIS WEEK? 30 00:01:04,866 --> 00:01:05,966 >> SO THE SENATE TOOK A BILL. 31 00:01:05,966 --> 00:01:08,800 IT WAS EVENTUALLY SHELL BILL 32 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,200 WHICH REPUBLICANS ARE 33 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:10,900 SPECULATING IT MAY HAVE 34 00:01:10,900 --> 00:01:12,633 SOMETHING TO DO WITH PREVENTING 35 00:01:12,633 --> 00:01:15,566 THE INCOME TAX ROLLBACK. 36 00:01:15,566 --> 00:01:17,400 THE 2015 BILL ESSENTIALLY SAYS 37 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:18,400 THAT WHEN THE STATE GOVERNMENT 38 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,900 HAS TOO MUCH MONEY, THERE WILL 39 00:01:21,900 --> 00:01:24,666 BE INCOME TAX FOR RESIDENTS, 40 00:01:24,666 --> 00:01:26,066 BUT, YOU KNOW, DEMOCRATS HAVE 41 00:01:26,066 --> 00:01:27,800 NOT SAID ANYTHING. 42 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,466 IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A LOT OF 43 00:01:29,466 --> 00:01:31,300 NEGOTIATIONS GOING ON BEHIND THE 44 00:01:31,300 --> 00:01:33,000 SCENES AND ABOUT WHAT COULD CAN 45 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,900 BE IN THIS BILL AND THE 46 00:01:37,900 --> 00:01:39,666 REPUBLICANS ARE VERY UPSET, I 47 00:01:39,666 --> 00:01:41,600 GUESS, THAT DEMOCRATS ARE NOT 48 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,366 TAKING THIS UP, CHAMPIONING THIS 49 00:01:44,366 --> 00:01:45,766 AS, YOU KNOW, A POSITIVE 50 00:01:45,766 --> 00:01:49,200 DIRECTION FOR THE STATES, BUT 51 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:50,700 THERE IS NOW TWO CONFERENCE 52 00:01:50,700 --> 00:01:52,333 COMMITTEES THAT ARE GOING TO, I 53 00:01:52,333 --> 00:01:53,866 DES, DECIDE THE DETAILS OF WHAT 54 00:01:53,866 --> 00:01:55,500 WILL ACTUALLY BE IN THE BILL. 55 00:01:55,500 --> 00:01:56,966 TIM: CAN WE REPORT THE GOVERNOR 56 00:01:56,966 --> 00:01:59,433 DOES NOT WANT THIS INCOME TAX 57 00:01:59,433 --> 00:01:59,733 ROLLBACK? 58 00:01:59,733 --> 00:02:01,266 SHE NEVER SAID THAT THIS WEEK. 59 00:02:01,266 --> 00:02:03,033 WE RYED TO GET HER TO SAY IT. 60 00:02:03,033 --> 00:02:03,500 SHE WOULDN'T BITE. 61 00:02:03,500 --> 00:02:04,700 THEY ARE WORKING BEHIND THE 62 00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:06,300 SCENES TO AT LEAST CHANGE THIS 63 00:02:06,300 --> 00:02:07,266 INCOME TAX ROLLBACK THAT IS 64 00:02:07,266 --> 00:02:08,100 ABOUT TO HAPPEN. 65 00:02:08,100 --> 00:02:09,600 I MEAN, THAT IS CLEAR. 66 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,233 IT IS JUST A THEY BACKED 67 00:02:11,233 --> 00:02:13,833 THEMSELVES INTO AN INCREDIBLE 68 00:02:13,833 --> 00:02:14,166 CORNER. 69 00:02:14,166 --> 00:02:17,066 TOO MAIN TAX PROPOSALS FOR TAX 70 00:02:17,066 --> 00:02:18,800 RELIEF, THE RETIREMENT TAX 71 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,200 CHANGES AND THE EITC ARE NOT 72 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:21,466 IMMEDIATE. 73 00:02:21,466 --> 00:02:23,400 THEY ARE NOT GOING TO VIM 74 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:24,233 IMMEDIATE IMPACT ON PEOPLE'S 75 00:02:24,233 --> 00:02:25,400 WALLETS BUT THEY KEEP TALKING 76 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,700 ABOUT HAVING AN IMPACT ON 77 00:02:27,700 --> 00:02:29,333 PEOPLE'S WALLETSES SO THEY ARE 78 00:02:29,333 --> 00:02:30,566 STUCK IN THIS VERY DIFFICULT 79 00:02:30,566 --> 00:02:31,933 POSITION AND TRYING TO FIN OW A 80 00:02:31,933 --> 00:02:33,933 WAY OUT RIGHT NOW. 81 00:02:33,933 --> 00:02:34,533 >> IN THE PAST. 82 00:02:34,533 --> 00:02:36,333 THAT IS FEW YEARS AGO, SO NOT 83 00:02:36,333 --> 00:02:37,600 PART OF THE CURRENT 84 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,000 CONVERSATION, BUN THE PAST, 85 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,300 MEMBERS OF THE WHITMER 86 00:02:41,300 --> 00:02:42,233 ADMINISTRATION BROUGHT UP THIS 87 00:02:42,233 --> 00:02:44,533 CONCERN, I MEAN, IN PREVIOUS 88 00:02:44,533 --> 00:02:47,033 BUDGET CYCLES LIKE PREPANDEMIC 89 00:02:47,033 --> 00:02:50,700 OR AFTER THE PANDEMIC FUNDING 90 00:02:50,700 --> 00:02:52,000 BOOST, THEY TALKED ABOUT THIS 91 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,833 AND TALKED ABOUT IT BEING 92 00:02:53,833 --> 00:02:55,033 CONCERNED SO IT IS NOT 93 00:02:55,033 --> 00:02:56,100 SURPRISING THAT THE GOVERNOR AND 94 00:02:56,100 --> 00:02:58,400 THE LEGISLATURE ARE BOOKING INTO 95 00:02:58,400 --> 00:02:59,400 THIS NOW. 96 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,600 BUT AS CRAIG SAID, IT HAS BEEN 97 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,900 FROM THE DEMOCRATS A MESSAGE OF 98 00:03:05,900 --> 00:03:08,466 WHERE WE ARE ROLLING BACK TAXES. 99 00:03:08,466 --> 00:03:11,000 WE ARE GOING TO SAVE A LOT OF 100 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,166 MICHIGANDERS MONEY. 101 00:03:12,166 --> 00:03:13,500 REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN POINTING 102 00:03:13,500 --> 00:03:15,633 OUT, THIS IS A PRETTY TARGETED 103 00:03:15,633 --> 00:03:17,100 TOWARD CERTAIN GROUPS OF PEOPLE. 104 00:03:17,100 --> 00:03:19,533 THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING 105 00:03:19,533 --> 00:03:19,833 MORE BROAD. 106 00:03:19,833 --> 00:03:20,833 THIS INCOME TAX CUT WOULD DO IT, 107 00:03:20,833 --> 00:03:22,300 BUT THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, 108 00:03:22,300 --> 00:03:24,166 DOES THE STATE HAVE THE MONEY TO 109 00:03:24,166 --> 00:03:27,166 SUSTAIN IT LONG TERM, WOULD IT 110 00:03:27,166 --> 00:03:28,800 EAT NOT A THE SURPLUS THAT 111 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:29,900 DEMOCRATS ARE WORKING WITH AND 112 00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:31,300 HOPE TOP DO OTHER THINGS WITH? 113 00:03:31,300 --> 00:03:32,933 S THAT THE MAIN QUESTION HERE. 114 00:03:32,933 --> 00:03:35,300 TIM: THAT IS THE POINT, KYLE. 115 00:03:35,300 --> 00:03:37,400 BECAUSE IF YOU ROLL THE INCOME 116 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:38,966 TAX RATE, IT IS LOCK IN STONE. 117 00:03:38,966 --> 00:03:40,133 IT IS IN CEMENT. 118 00:03:40,133 --> 00:03:41,500 IT DOES NOT MOVE. 119 00:03:41,500 --> 00:03:43,733 THAT IS 600 TO 700 MILLION EVERY 120 00:03:43,733 --> 00:03:46,433 YEAR THE STATE LOSES THEYY ARE 121 00:03:46,433 --> 00:03:48,833 NOT EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 122 00:03:48,833 --> 00:03:49,933 THE CITIZEN'S RESEARCH COUNCIL 123 00:03:49,933 --> 00:03:51,166 SAID A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, 124 00:03:51,166 --> 00:03:53,633 THERE IS ENOUGH MONEY ON THE 125 00:03:53,633 --> 00:03:55,466 BALANCE SHEET TO WITH STAN DOING 126 00:03:55,466 --> 00:03:58,166 THE EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT AND 127 00:03:58,166 --> 00:04:00,533 THE RETIREMENT INCOME EXEMPTION. 128 00:04:00,533 --> 00:04:01,166 DOING IT ALL. 129 00:04:01,166 --> 00:04:01,633 CAN DO IT. 130 00:04:01,633 --> 00:04:02,966 I THINK THE GOVERNOR REMEMBERS 131 00:04:02,966 --> 00:04:04,766 BACK WHEN THE SUR FLAWS THE 132 00:04:04,766 --> 00:04:06,733 STATE HAD JUST EVAPORATED 133 00:04:06,733 --> 00:04:07,900 BECAUSE THE ECONOMY JUST FELL 134 00:04:07,900 --> 00:04:09,533 APART AND DOESN'T WANT TO BE APE 135 00:04:09,533 --> 00:04:10,733 SITUATION WHERE, IN THREE YEARS 136 00:04:10,733 --> 00:04:12,766 FROM NOW, SHE HAS NO MONEY, SHE 137 00:04:12,766 --> 00:04:15,933 HAS TO START MAKING A BUNCH OF 138 00:04:15,933 --> 00:04:17,666 CUTS BECAUSE THEY WILLY-NILLY 139 00:04:17,666 --> 00:04:19,100 CUT TAX AND SPENT EVERYTHING. 140 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:21,000 SO TO LOW ARE THE INCOME TAX 141 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,666 RATE FROM 4.25% TO 4.05% MAY 142 00:04:25,666 --> 00:04:26,966 SEEM LIKE A GREAT POLITICAL WIN 143 00:04:26,966 --> 00:04:28,500 AT THE MOMENT, BUT IN THREE 144 00:04:28,500 --> 00:04:30,000 YEARS, FOUR YEARS AS SHE IS 145 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,500 CRAFTING A BUDGET AND MAY NOT 146 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:34,600 LOOK SO GREAT AND WRAP IT INTO 147 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:34,900 EVERYTHING. 148 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:35,900 LOG ROLL EVERYTHING INTO ONE 149 00:04:35,900 --> 00:04:37,533 PACKAGE THEN TRAY TO PRESENT IT 150 00:04:37,533 --> 00:04:39,233 AS A NET TAX CUT FOR EVERYBODY, 151 00:04:39,233 --> 00:04:40,333 THAT IS WHAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO 152 00:04:40,333 --> 00:04:41,633 DO BUT THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING 153 00:04:41,633 --> 00:04:43,833 TO EXPOSE IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE. 154 00:04:43,833 --> 00:04:46,266 LET ME COME HI CALL IT THIS EVEN 155 00:04:46,266 --> 00:04:46,466 MORE. 156 00:04:46,466 --> 00:04:47,700 THERE IS SOME CHATTER BEHIND THE 157 00:04:47,700 --> 00:04:49,233 SCENES THE INCOME TAX ROLLBACK 158 00:04:49,233 --> 00:04:50,300 IS NOT PERMANENT. 159 00:04:50,300 --> 00:04:51,866 IF YOU READ THE LAW CLOSELY 160 00:04:51,866 --> 00:04:53,166 THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION THAT 161 00:04:53,166 --> 00:04:54,500 ANTICIPATE YEAR IT WILL GO GO 162 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:57,000 BACK TO 4.25 AND AND NEW 163 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,433 ADJUSTMENT THAT COULD MAKE IT 164 00:04:58,433 --> 00:05:00,733 EVEN MORE LITCALLY VOLATILE IF 165 00:05:00,733 --> 00:05:02,266 THE RATE IS GOING UP AND DOWN. 166 00:05:02,266 --> 00:05:03,866 IT IS IT A TAX CUT? 167 00:05:03,866 --> 00:05:05,500 IS IT A TAX INCREASE EACH YEAR? 168 00:05:05,500 --> 00:05:07,933 THEN, ALSO, EVERY TIME IN THE 169 00:05:07,933 --> 00:05:09,533 PAST WHEN THERE HAS BEEN ANY 170 00:05:09,533 --> 00:05:11,366 PROPOSAL TOLL DECREASE THE 171 00:05:11,366 --> 00:05:13,100 INCOME TAX BY ANY AMOUNT, SCHOOL 172 00:05:13,100 --> 00:05:14,500 GROUPS ARE OUT THERE TALKING 173 00:05:14,500 --> 00:05:16,566 ABOUT DN'T DO IT. 174 00:05:16,566 --> 00:05:17,900 NOW WE ARE ABOUT TO DO THREE 175 00:05:17,900 --> 00:05:18,933 MAJOR CHANGES TO THE INCOME TAX 176 00:05:18,933 --> 00:05:20,666 AT THE SAME TIME, THERE HAS GOT 177 00:05:20,666 --> 00:05:23,066 TO BE A LOT OF OPPOSITION BEHIND 178 00:05:23,066 --> 00:05:25,033 THE SCENES THAT I THINK IS NOT 179 00:05:25,033 --> 00:05:26,000 OUT THERE PUBLICLY YET. 180 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,300 >> I THINK AS FAR AS THE INCOME 181 00:05:28,300 --> 00:05:29,033 TAX ROLLBACK GOES. 182 00:05:29,033 --> 00:05:30,300 IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT 183 00:05:30,300 --> 00:05:31,866 PEOPLE ARE SEEING THE WRITING ON 184 00:05:31,866 --> 00:05:32,400 THE WALL. 185 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,033 A LOT OF FISCAL ANALYSTS SAID 186 00:05:35,033 --> 00:05:36,866 THEY ARE JUST NOT SURE. 187 00:05:36,866 --> 00:05:37,866 THE BOOKS ARE NOT CLOSE FO THE 188 00:05:37,866 --> 00:05:39,233 YEAR THEY DON'T KNOW THINGS 189 00:05:39,233 --> 00:05:40,433 COULD CHANGE SO THAT MAY BE PART 190 00:05:40,433 --> 00:05:41,733 OF THE REASON WHY DEMOCRATS ARE 191 00:05:41,733 --> 00:05:44,300 NOT YOU KNOW, PUBLICIZING THE 192 00:05:44,300 --> 00:05:46,800 PLANS QUIET, AND BECAUSE, 193 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,200 BECAUSE IT IS STILL SOMETHING 194 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:49,800 UNKNOWN THERE. 195 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,833 TIM: THIS IS IN THE WHEELHOUSE 196 00:05:51,833 --> 00:05:53,600 OF EVERY REPUBLICAN, THE 197 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:53,900 LEGISLATURE. 198 00:05:53,900 --> 00:05:54,966 WE WANT TO REDUALS THE SIZE OF 199 00:05:54,966 --> 00:05:55,400 GOVERNMENT. 200 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,566 IF WE CAN TAKE AEN00 MILLION 201 00:05:57,566 --> 00:05:58,866 CHUCK OUT OF THIS PUPPY EVERY 202 00:05:58,866 --> 00:05:59,066 YEAR. 203 00:05:59,066 --> 00:06:00,366 WE ARE GOING TO GET IT DONE. 204 00:06:00,366 --> 00:06:01,733 THE PROBLEM IS THEY DON'T HAVE 205 00:06:01,733 --> 00:06:02,733 THE VOTES TO DO IT. 206 00:06:02,733 --> 00:06:03,400 >> YEAH. 207 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,500 I THINK, I THIS I, REALLY 208 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:06,233 INTERESTING POINT AND SOMETHING 209 00:06:06,233 --> 00:06:07,666 TO WATCH, YOU KNOW, THE 210 00:06:07,666 --> 00:06:09,500 DEMOCRATS AT THIS POINT HAVE NO 211 00:06:09,500 --> 00:06:12,433 NOT, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR 212 00:06:12,433 --> 00:06:14,200 CRITICISM OF DEMOCRATS ALL THE 213 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,300 TIME IS THEY ARE INTERESTED IN 214 00:06:16,300 --> 00:06:17,833 RAISING TAXES BECAUSE OF THE 215 00:06:17,833 --> 00:06:19,300 SURPLUS THE STATE HAS. 216 00:06:19,300 --> 00:06:21,166 THEY HAVE NOT NEEDED TO HAVE 217 00:06:21,166 --> 00:06:21,566 THAT CONVERSATION. 218 00:06:21,566 --> 00:06:22,500 THEY HAVE BEEN FREED UP TO HAVE 219 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:24,066 SO MANY OTHER POLICY DISCUSSIONS 220 00:06:24,066 --> 00:06:25,533 THEY ARE HOPING THE BUDGET 221 00:06:25,533 --> 00:06:26,733 PROCESS WILL BE A EASIER BECAUSE 222 00:06:26,733 --> 00:06:28,500 THEY DON'T NEED TO MAKE ANY CUTS 223 00:06:28,500 --> 00:06:30,233 RIGHT NOW, THEY DON'T NEED TO 224 00:06:30,233 --> 00:06:32,633 HAVE DIFFICULT CONVERSATION 225 00:06:32,633 --> 00:06:34,300 CONVERSATIONS ABOUT TAX. 226 00:06:34,300 --> 00:06:35,933 LOWERING THE INCOME TAX 227 00:06:35,933 --> 00:06:37,333 ARBITRARY WITHOUT NECESSARILY 228 00:06:37,333 --> 00:06:38,866 KNOWING WHAT THE FISCAL IMPACT 229 00:06:38,866 --> 00:06:39,433 WOULD BE. 230 00:06:39,433 --> 00:06:42,200 WOULD LIKELY HAVE MAYOR I IMPACT 231 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,000 AS KYLE SAID. 232 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,333 THAT WOULD PROBABLY EAT UP THE 233 00:06:45,333 --> 00:06:47,300 BUDGET SURPLUS, THAT THEY CAME 234 00:06:47,300 --> 00:06:48,833 IN WITH THAT ADVANTAGE. 235 00:06:48,833 --> 00:06:49,366 SO YEAH. 236 00:06:49,366 --> 00:06:51,633 THAT WILL BE WITH A REALLY 237 00:06:51,633 --> 00:06:52,900 INTERESTING THING TO KEEP AN EYE 238 00:06:52,900 --> 00:06:53,833 OUT FOR. 239 00:06:53,833 --> 00:06:55,133 LET'S TALK ABOUT PRIORITIES. 240 00:06:55,133 --> 00:06:56,566 I MEAN CUTTING THE INCOME TAX 241 00:06:56,566 --> 00:06:59,133 HAS BEEN A REPUBLICAN PRIORITY 242 00:06:59,133 --> 00:07:00,133 THEY CAMPAIGN ON IT. 243 00:07:00,133 --> 00:07:01,866 THEY PUSH IT. 244 00:07:01,866 --> 00:07:03,700 EVERY STATE. 245 00:07:03,700 --> 00:07:05,833 TALK TO JENNIFER GRANLE AM. 246 00:07:05,833 --> 00:07:07,000 EVERYBODY WANTED TO CUT THE 247 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,100 INCOME TAX IF YOU ARE 248 00:07:08,100 --> 00:07:08,400 REPUBLICAN. 249 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:09,733 THAT IS NOT AT DEMOCRATIC 250 00:07:09,733 --> 00:07:10,500 PRIORITY. 251 00:07:10,500 --> 00:07:11,900 A DEMOCRATIC PRIORITY IS TO TRY 252 00:07:11,900 --> 00:07:13,866 TO GET MORE TUTORS INTO THE 253 00:07:13,866 --> 00:07:14,133 CLASSROOM. 254 00:07:14,133 --> 00:07:16,866 IT IS TRYING TO FIND PROGRAMS 255 00:07:16,866 --> 00:07:18,900 THAT HELP PEOPLE TO TRY TO GET 256 00:07:18,900 --> 00:07:21,500 VOLKS INTO THE, GET VOL FOLKS 257 00:07:21,500 --> 00:07:22,900 TRAINED INTO THE WORKFORCE. 258 00:07:22,900 --> 00:07:24,233 THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT 259 00:07:24,233 --> 00:07:25,000 PRIORITIES THAT SPEND MUN HI 260 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,133 THAT YOU DEMOCRATS WANT TO PUT 261 00:07:26,133 --> 00:07:27,400 ON THE TABLE. 262 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:28,833 SO, FOR THE REPUBLICANS THEY 263 00:07:28,833 --> 00:07:30,000 WOULD GO THOUGH WALL TO TRY TO 264 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,233 CUT THE INCOME TAX AND SO, BUZZ 265 00:07:33,233 --> 00:07:35,600 THE DEMOCRATS THAT IS NOT A HIGH 266 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,100 PRIORITY SO ONE OF THE MECHANISM 267 00:07:37,100 --> 00:07:38,933 THAT THEY TRIED TO USE ON THIS 268 00:07:38,933 --> 00:07:41,133 IS TO NOT NECESSARILY DISMANTLE 269 00:07:41,133 --> 00:07:42,866 THE ROLLBACK, BUT TO SPEND 270 00:07:42,866 --> 00:07:44,300 ENOUGH MONEY OUT OF THE GENERAL 271 00:07:44,300 --> 00:07:45,700 FUND TO ROW VNT THE ROLLBACK 272 00:07:45,700 --> 00:07:47,066 FROM HAPPENING. 273 00:07:47,066 --> 00:07:48,700 AND THIS WOULD HAVE REALLY KIND 274 00:07:48,700 --> 00:07:50,766 OF KILLED TWO BIRDS IN ONE STONE 275 00:07:50,766 --> 00:07:52,100 BECAUSE WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO 276 00:07:52,100 --> 00:07:53,700 IS SHIFT MONEY IN THE GENERAL 277 00:07:53,700 --> 00:07:55,800 FUND TOP THE SPECIAL POT OF 278 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:01,600 BIG DOLLAR INVESTMENTS INTO THE 279 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:01,800 STATE. 280 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,133 IN WHICH THE GOVERNOR REALLY 281 00:08:03,133 --> 00:08:04,700 WANTS TO DO. 282 00:08:04,700 --> 00:08:05,566 >> LISTEN, LISTEN, THE 283 00:08:05,566 --> 00:08:07,066 REPUBLICAN LEADER ON THE FLOOR 284 00:08:07,066 --> 00:08:08,733 SAID, BASICALLY, THE GOFF NOSH 285 00:08:08,733 --> 00:08:09,900 TALKED LAST WEEK ABOUT A GOOD 286 00:08:09,900 --> 00:08:12,300 GAME OF BIPARTISAN COOPERATION 287 00:08:12,300 --> 00:08:14,033 AND NOW, NOW COMES THIS HE PACK 288 00:08:14,033 --> 00:08:15,466 ABLE OUT OF THE PLU, AND THEY 289 00:08:15,466 --> 00:08:17,133 ARE TRYING TO PULL A FAST ONE ON 290 00:08:17,133 --> 00:08:17,366 US. 291 00:08:17,366 --> 00:08:18,633 WASN'T THAT INTENT OF WHAT HE 292 00:08:18,633 --> 00:08:20,266 WAS TRYING TO SAY WELL, YEAH. 293 00:08:20,266 --> 00:08:22,200 I MEAN, YEAH. 294 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,200 YOU KNOW, HE HAS ALWAYS SAID HE 295 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,833 WANTS TAX RELIEF FOR ALL AND NOT 296 00:08:28,833 --> 00:08:32,600 SOME, BUT, BUT IT IS JUST TOO -- 297 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:38,533 IT IS NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION 298 00:08:38,533 --> 00:08:40,200 QUIET TO BE, YOU KNOW, PICK WAG 299 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,633 THE DEMOCRAT'S PRIORITIES MIGHT 300 00:08:41,633 --> 00:08:41,833 BE. 301 00:08:41,833 --> 00:08:43,833 THE REPUBLICANS HAVE HAD SOME 302 00:08:43,833 --> 00:08:45,233 ISSUES AS FAR AS BEING INVOLVED 303 00:08:45,233 --> 00:08:46,900 IN THE NEGOTIATIONS, THEY SAID, 304 00:08:46,900 --> 00:08:49,566 THEY EVENTUALLY BEEN CUT OUT. 305 00:08:49,566 --> 00:08:52,633 SO, SO IT WILL DEFINITELY PUSH, 306 00:08:52,633 --> 00:08:54,233 I GUESS TIME. 307 00:08:54,233 --> 00:08:55,500 >> WELL, THEY NEED SOME 308 00:08:55,500 --> 00:08:57,433 REPUBLICAN VOTES ON. 309 00:08:57,433 --> 00:08:58,333 MAY, THAT'S THE OBSTACLE THEY 310 00:08:58,333 --> 00:08:59,800 ARE AT RIGHT NOW. 311 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:00,866 THEY ARE GOING TO NEED SOME 312 00:09:00,866 --> 00:09:02,000 REPUBLICAN VOTES TO GET 313 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:02,600 IMMEDIATE EFFECT. 314 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,466 IF YOU DON'T HAVE IMMEDIATE 315 00:09:04,466 --> 00:09:04,733 EFFECT. 316 00:09:04,733 --> 00:09:06,000 NO ONE WILL SEE ANY TYPE OF 317 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,066 RELIEF FOR A YEAR. 318 00:09:07,066 --> 00:09:08,233 THERE IS GOING TO BE LEGAL 319 00:09:08,233 --> 00:09:10,300 CONCERNS ABOUT THIS INCOME TAX 320 00:09:10,300 --> 00:09:12,100 TRIGGER THAT DOESN'T THEN TAKE 321 00:09:12,100 --> 00:09:12,333 EFFECT. 322 00:09:12,333 --> 00:09:13,100 THEN YOU GOT TO CHANGE IT IN THE 323 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:15,433 FUTURE. 324 00:09:15,433 --> 00:09:16,266 THEY HAVE TO FANDS A WAY TO COME 325 00:09:16,266 --> 00:09:19,433 UP WITH A PROPOSAL THAT PUTS THE 326 00:09:19,433 --> 00:09:20,066 MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PRESSURE ON 327 00:09:20,066 --> 00:09:24,033 THE VULNERABLE REPUBLICANS, THEY 328 00:09:24,033 --> 00:09:26,000 CONSIDER MAYBE RY TO VET FOR 329 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:26,733 IMMEDIATE FEK ON THIS. 330 00:09:26,733 --> 00:09:27,766 I THIS I THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE 331 00:09:27,766 --> 00:09:29,433 TALKING ABOUT NOW. 332 00:09:29,433 --> 00:09:31,433 TIM: HOW SERIOUS IS THE CHATTER 333 00:09:31,433 --> 00:09:32,766 IN TOWN ABOUT THE LEGISLATURE 334 00:09:32,766 --> 00:09:34,666 EARLY THEN THE GOVERNOR CALLING 335 00:09:34,666 --> 00:09:36,666 THEM BACK WHICH GETS AROUND THE 336 00:09:36,666 --> 00:09:37,266 IMMEDIATE ISSUE. 337 00:09:37,266 --> 00:09:39,400 IT ISES THAT THIN AIR OR WHAT? 338 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:40,000 >> NO. 339 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,166 THAT'S THE FALLBACK OPTION HERE. 340 00:09:41,166 --> 00:09:43,033 IT IS NOT JUSTS ABOUT THIS 341 00:09:43,033 --> 00:09:43,966 INCOME TAX PACKAGE WE ARE 342 00:09:43,966 --> 00:09:44,600 TALKING ABOUT. 343 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:45,933 WE ARE K TAKING ABOUT THE 344 00:09:45,933 --> 00:09:47,166 PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY. 345 00:09:47,166 --> 00:09:48,666 THE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY BILL 346 00:09:48,666 --> 00:09:51,066 WAS SIGNED INTO LAW BY THE 347 00:09:51,066 --> 00:09:52,900 GOVERNOR TO PUSH UP OUR PRIMARY 348 00:09:52,900 --> 00:09:58,633 DATE IN 2024 FROM MARCH 12 TO 349 00:09:58,633 --> 00:09:58,966 FEBRUARY 27th. 350 00:09:58,966 --> 00:10:00,966 AND TO MATCH WHAT THE DEMOCRATS 351 00:10:00,966 --> 00:10:02,633 NATIONALLY WANT TO DO BUT THAT 352 00:10:02,633 --> 00:10:03,800 DOES NOT HP THE REPUBLICANS CAN 353 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:04,400 AT ALL. 354 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,700 THE REPUBLICANS DON'T WANT THIS 355 00:10:07,700 --> 00:10:08,900 BECAUSE THAT PUT ITS THEM IN A 356 00:10:08,900 --> 00:10:10,433 SITUATION OF BREAKING THEIR OWN 357 00:10:10,433 --> 00:10:12,000 NATIONAL RULES WHICH WOULD STRIP 358 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,633 THEM TO OF DID HE DELEGATES AND 359 00:10:13,633 --> 00:10:15,466 STRIP THEM OF THE ABILITY OF 360 00:10:15,466 --> 00:10:16,966 HAVING A SUFFICIENT SAY IN WHO 361 00:10:16,966 --> 00:10:18,366 THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE IS 362 00:10:18,366 --> 00:10:21,100 GOING TO BE SO THEY SAID NO TO 363 00:10:21,100 --> 00:10:21,833 IMMEDIATE AFFECT. 364 00:10:21,833 --> 00:10:22,466 AND THERE IS NO INDICATION THEY 365 00:10:22,466 --> 00:10:24,400 ARE DOG SAY YES TO IT. 366 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,000 SO IF A BILL DOESN'T HAVE 367 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,233 IMMEDIATE AFFECT THEN THAT MEANS 368 00:10:28,233 --> 00:10:29,733 THAT DOESN'T TAKE AFFECT UNTIL 369 00:10:29,733 --> 00:10:32,500 90 DAYS AFTER THE LEGISLATURE 370 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:34,633 ADJOURNS FOR THE YEAR. 371 00:10:34,633 --> 00:10:37,533 AND TRADITIONALLY THAT HAS BEEN 372 00:10:37,533 --> 00:10:39,266 DECEMBER FOR THE LAST 40 TO 50 373 00:10:39,266 --> 00:10:40,500 YEARS THAT HAS BEEN DECEMBER 374 00:10:40,500 --> 00:10:41,633 BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE DOESN'T 375 00:10:41,633 --> 00:10:43,600 WANT TO GIVE THE GOVERNOR THE 376 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,333 POWER TO CALL THEM BACK TO A 377 00:10:45,333 --> 00:10:46,166 SPECIAL SES SESSION BUT THIS IS 378 00:10:46,166 --> 00:10:48,200 A SITUATION WHERE THEY MAY 379 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:49,733 ADJOURN NOVEMBER 1:00 OR IN 380 00:10:49,733 --> 00:10:52,666 OCTOBER SO THE CLOCK TICKS AND 381 00:10:52,666 --> 00:10:53,966 THEY COULD HAVE THE DEMOCRATS 382 00:10:53,966 --> 00:10:55,700 COULD HAVE THE PRESIDENTIAL 383 00:10:55,700 --> 00:10:57,900 PRIMARY LEGALLY ON 384 00:10:57,900 --> 00:10:58,433 FEBRUARY 27th THEN SCREW 385 00:10:58,433 --> 00:10:59,800 OVER THE REPUBLICANS THEN WHAT 386 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,500 THAT MEANS IS, AS YOU SAID, THAT 387 00:11:01,500 --> 00:11:02,600 WOULD MEAN THE GOVERNOR WOULD 388 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,333 HAVE TO CALL THEM BACK INTO A 389 00:11:05,333 --> 00:11:06,233 SPECIAL SESSION. 390 00:11:06,233 --> 00:11:07,766 >> THAT WOULD SEND THIS TOWN 391 00:11:07,766 --> 00:11:09,033 OUT, WOULDN'T IT? 392 00:11:09,033 --> 00:11:10,866 >> MAY MEAN, THERE ARE SO MANY 393 00:11:10,866 --> 00:11:11,333 UNKNOWNS WITH. 394 00:11:11,333 --> 00:11:13,033 I MEAN, I THOUGHT OF FIVE 395 00:11:13,033 --> 00:11:14,066 DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THATS COULD 396 00:11:14,066 --> 00:11:15,700 PLAY OUT. 397 00:11:15,700 --> 00:11:17,300 MY QUESTION THAT I HAVE BEEN 398 00:11:17,300 --> 00:11:18,733 ASKING WHAT IF JOE BIDEN RUNS 399 00:11:18,733 --> 00:11:20,133 FOR RE-ELECTION? 400 00:11:20,133 --> 00:11:21,400 DOES THIS MATTER THEN? 401 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,733 DOES IT MATTER? DOES IT EVEN 402 00:11:24,733 --> 00:11:25,200 MATTER, TIM? 403 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,766 JE IS NO GOING TO RUN. 404 00:11:27,766 --> 00:11:28,966 DO YOU THINK HE WILL? 405 00:11:28,966 --> 00:11:30,033 >> I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. 406 00:11:30,033 --> 00:11:30,766 I HAVE NO IDEA. 407 00:11:30,766 --> 00:11:32,300 I THINK IT IS IN KNOWN RIGHT 408 00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:32,466 NOW. 409 00:11:32,466 --> 00:11:34,566 IF HE RUNS IT DOESN'T MATTER. 410 00:11:34,566 --> 00:11:36,333 IF THE RNC DOWN THE ROAD SAYS, 411 00:11:36,333 --> 00:11:37,933 WELL, ACTUALLY, THIS IS I MY, IT 412 00:11:37,933 --> 00:11:39,366 IS A BATTLEGROUND STATE. 413 00:11:39,366 --> 00:11:41,266 WE WILL MAKE EXCEPTION FOR 414 00:11:41,266 --> 00:11:42,000 MICHIGAN HERE. 415 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,300 THEN IT MAY NOT MATTER. 416 00:11:43,300 --> 00:11:44,633 WHAT IF SOMEONE BECOMES CHAIR OF 417 00:11:44,633 --> 00:11:45,666 THE STATE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND 418 00:11:45,666 --> 00:11:47,733 SAYS I DON'T WANT A PRIMARY. 419 00:11:47,733 --> 00:11:50,000 WILL LET CONVENTION DELEGATES 420 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,033 SEE SEE DEE SIDE HOW THE VOTE 421 00:11:52,033 --> 00:11:52,266 GOES. 422 00:11:52,266 --> 00:11:53,800 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PROCEDURE. 423 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:55,300 BOTH MATTERS MADE CLEAR THEY ARE 424 00:11:55,300 --> 00:11:56,633 WILLING TO PLAY PAL AND 425 00:11:56,633 --> 00:11:58,600 REPUBLICANS AND TRADITIONALLY IN 426 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,300 EFFECT HAS NOT BEEN A HUGE DEAL. 427 00:12:01,300 --> 00:12:03,733 WE SAW OCCASIONS WITH THE 428 00:12:03,733 --> 00:12:04,900 DEMOCRATIC MINORITY WHERE THEY 429 00:12:04,900 --> 00:12:06,333 WERE TRYING TO MAKE A STAND ON 430 00:12:06,333 --> 00:12:07,933 SOMETHING. 431 00:12:07,933 --> 00:12:08,900 OTHERWISE, WE WOULD TYPICALLY 432 00:12:08,900 --> 00:12:09,300 GET. 433 00:12:09,300 --> 00:12:10,100 >> IT IS LEVERAGE. 434 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:11,533 IT IS LEVERAGE. 435 00:12:11,533 --> 00:12:13,000 BUT REPUBLICANS HAVE ALREADY 436 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,533 INDICATED THIS RE PLAN ON USING 437 00:12:14,533 --> 00:12:15,733 THAT LEF LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 438 00:12:15,733 --> 00:12:16,566 >> ITS ALL WE GOT. 439 00:12:16,566 --> 00:12:17,366 IT US ALL THEY GOT. 440 00:12:17,366 --> 00:12:19,033 IT IS A SLIM MAJORITY SO 441 00:12:19,033 --> 00:12:20,433 DEMOCRATS DO HAVE TO TAKE THAT 442 00:12:20,433 --> 00:12:22,300 INTO CONVERSATION, I DON'T THINK 443 00:12:22,300 --> 00:12:24,033 THE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY OR THE 444 00:12:24,033 --> 00:12:25,033 INCOME TAX THAT WILL BE THE LAST 445 00:12:25,033 --> 00:12:27,300 TIME WE HEAR ABOUT IMMEDIATE 446 00:12:27,300 --> 00:12:29,266 EFFECT AND, IT IS ALSO CLEAR, 447 00:12:29,266 --> 00:12:32,766 THAT DEMOCRATS ARE, ONE, MOVING 448 00:12:32,766 --> 00:12:33,466 EXTREMELY QUICKLY, THEY ARE 449 00:12:33,466 --> 00:12:35,166 TRYING TO GET AS MUCH DONE AT 450 00:12:35,166 --> 00:12:37,033 THE GET GE AS THEY CAN, END THAT 451 00:12:37,033 --> 00:12:38,466 FACT WE ARE EVEN TALKING ABOUT, 452 00:12:38,466 --> 00:12:40,466 YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY ADJOURNING 453 00:12:40,466 --> 00:12:41,166 EARLY. 454 00:12:41,166 --> 00:12:41,833 CALLING SPECIAL SESSIONS THEY 455 00:12:41,833 --> 00:12:43,600 ARE LOOKING ALL THE RULES THEN 456 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:44,866 SEEING HOW THEY CAN GET AROUND 457 00:12:44,866 --> 00:12:46,166 THIS SLIM MAJORITY. 458 00:12:46,166 --> 00:12:48,500 THE DEMOCRATS DID USE IMMEDIATE 459 00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:50,566 EFFECT, THOUGH, TO GOVERNOR 460 00:12:50,566 --> 00:12:52,466 WHITMER LAST YEAR ON THE BIGGEST 461 00:12:52,466 --> 00:12:52,933 SHORES OF THE YEAR. 462 00:12:52,933 --> 00:12:54,466 AM SURE THE REPUBLICANS HAVE NOT 463 00:12:54,466 --> 00:12:55,500 FORGOT THAN. 464 00:12:55,500 --> 00:12:57,466 THE GAS TAX INCREASE. 465 00:12:57,466 --> 00:12:58,600 THE GAS TAX DECREASE THEY WERE 466 00:12:58,600 --> 00:12:59,900 TRYING TO DO BECAUSE OF 467 00:12:59,900 --> 00:13:01,366 INFLATION, THEN, THE WHOLE 468 00:13:01,366 --> 00:13:03,033 ARGUMENT FOR VETOING THAT BY THE 469 00:13:03,033 --> 00:13:04,733 GOVERNOR WAS, IT DIDN'T HAVE 470 00:13:04,733 --> 00:13:06,466 IMMEDIATE EFFECT, SO IT DOESN'T 471 00:13:06,466 --> 00:13:06,900 MATTER. 472 00:13:06,900 --> 00:13:08,733 THEY CANNOT HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT. 473 00:13:08,733 --> 00:13:10,366 I AM SURE, THIS IT IS A TOOL, 474 00:13:10,366 --> 00:13:11,733 THIS IS THE TOOL THAT THEY HAVE. 475 00:13:11,733 --> 00:13:13,133 THEY ARE GOING TO USE IT OVER 476 00:13:13,133 --> 00:13:16,000 AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 477 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,433 TIM: WHY ARE THE DEMOCRATS SO 478 00:13:18,433 --> 00:13:18,766 GEEKED? 479 00:13:18,766 --> 00:13:20,266 WHY DO THEY WANT IT EARLIER? 480 00:13:20,266 --> 00:13:21,566 WELL, A LOT OF THEM ARE SAYING 481 00:13:21,566 --> 00:13:22,866 IT IS BENEFICIAL FOR THE STATE. 482 00:13:22,866 --> 00:13:24,433 I MEAN, EARLY PRESIDENTIAL 483 00:13:24,433 --> 00:13:25,766 PRIMARY DAYS HAVE A LOT OF EYES 484 00:13:25,766 --> 00:13:26,633 ON THEM. 485 00:13:26,633 --> 00:13:28,733 THEN, IT WILL BE, IT WILL GREAT 486 00:13:28,733 --> 00:13:30,333 FOR PUSHING ISSUES THAT YOU 487 00:13:30,333 --> 00:13:31,900 KNOW, MICHIGAN RESIDENTS CARE 488 00:13:31,900 --> 00:13:32,366 ABOUT. 489 00:13:32,366 --> 00:13:33,466 THEN, BRING A LOT OF ATTENTION 490 00:13:33,466 --> 00:13:34,900 TO MICHIGAN BUSINESS AND A LOT 491 00:13:34,900 --> 00:13:37,166 OF FUNDS. 492 00:13:37,166 --> 00:13:39,366 BUT, BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW? 493 00:13:39,366 --> 00:13:41,566 IT COULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY 494 00:13:41,566 --> 00:13:42,733 AS WELL TO WORK WITH THE 495 00:13:42,733 --> 00:13:43,833 REPUBLICAN ON THIS ISSUE AND 496 00:13:43,833 --> 00:13:46,200 THEY HAVE BEEN TAKE 497 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,266 BIPARTISANSHIP SINCE THEY BECAME 498 00:13:47,266 --> 00:13:48,733 MAYOR TIN JANUARY THEN, THIS 499 00:13:48,733 --> 00:13:51,866 WILL BE A GREAT ISSUE TO KIND OF 500 00:13:51,866 --> 00:13:53,200 PRIG THAT GAP AS WELL. 501 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:54,366 >> WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE ALL OF 502 00:13:54,366 --> 00:13:56,700 THIS STUFF IS GOING TO THE POT? 503 00:13:56,700 --> 00:13:58,900 WE ARE EITHER GOING TO HAVE SOUP 504 00:13:58,900 --> 00:14:00,266 OR WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AGO? WE 505 00:14:00,266 --> 00:14:02,333 ARE GOING TO HAVE DOG FOOD. 506 00:14:02,333 --> 00:14:02,533 YEAH. 507 00:14:02,533 --> 00:14:03,500 THAT IS WHAT WE CAN HAVE. 508 00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:05,600 YOU NO THE DEMOCRATS NATIONALLY 509 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,700 REALLY PUT US IN A BIND HERE 510 00:14:07,700 --> 00:14:09,033 PAUSE THEY DIDN'T WORK WITH 511 00:14:09,033 --> 00:14:10,100 REPUBLICANS NATIONALLY EARLY 512 00:14:10,100 --> 00:14:11,433 ENOUGH THEY COULD WORK TOGETHER 513 00:14:11,433 --> 00:14:13,466 ON A COMMON SCHEDULE SO IT PUTS 514 00:14:13,466 --> 00:14:15,266 STATES LIKE MICHIGAN, GEORGIA 515 00:14:15,266 --> 00:14:15,933 NEW HAMPSHIRE IN A BOX, WHERE 516 00:14:15,933 --> 00:14:17,900 THEY HAVE TO DO THINGS AND, IN 517 00:14:17,900 --> 00:14:21,400 THEIR STATE, THAT THEY ARE NOT 518 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,300 IT CREATE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A 519 00:14:23,300 --> 00:14:24,333 BIIF YOU ARE INDICATED SYSTEM, 520 00:14:24,333 --> 00:14:26,100 WHERE IT COMES TO OUR PRIMARY 521 00:14:26,100 --> 00:14:26,633 COMING UP. 522 00:14:26,633 --> 00:14:28,233 CRAIG IS RIGHT ON THE DIFFERENT 523 00:14:28,233 --> 00:14:30,233 SCEN NEAR YOSES THAT IT COULD 524 00:14:30,233 --> 00:14:30,466 HAPPEN. 525 00:14:30,466 --> 00:14:31,100 THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT 526 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:31,566 COULD HAPPEN. 527 00:14:31,566 --> 00:14:33,766 >> THIS IS WHY THE HOUSE DID 528 00:14:33,766 --> 00:14:35,166 NADA ON THURSDAY. 529 00:14:35,166 --> 00:14:37,033 THEY CAME IN AND DIDN'T TAKE 530 00:14:37,033 --> 00:14:38,100 ATTENDANCE WHICH IS CODE FOR YOU 531 00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:39,400 DON'T HAVE TO SHOW UP. 532 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:39,566 OK. 533 00:14:39,566 --> 00:14:41,800 SO OBVIOUSLY, OVER THIS WEEKEND. 534 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:42,433 WE NEED TO GET SOMEBODY IN THE 535 00:14:42,433 --> 00:14:44,033 ROOM TO FIND OUT WHAT THE HECK 536 00:14:44,033 --> 00:14:44,833 IS GOING ON. 537 00:14:44,833 --> 00:14:46,566 WILL THIS COME TOLL A HEAD NEXT 538 00:14:46,566 --> 00:14:48,700 WEEK DO WE THINK OR NOT IN THE. 539 00:14:48,700 --> 00:14:49,300 >> WE COULD. 540 00:14:49,300 --> 00:14:52,133 THE DOV NOR HAS THE BUDGET TO 541 00:14:52,133 --> 00:14:53,500 PRESENT NEXT WEEK AS WELL AND 542 00:14:53,500 --> 00:14:54,733 THIS WILL DIRECT ATTENTIONS TO 543 00:14:54,733 --> 00:14:56,600 THAT AS APESSED TO WHAT WE ARE 544 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:57,400 TALKING ABOUT NOW. 545 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:58,033 ALL RIGHT. 546 00:14:58,033 --> 00:14:59,500 FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER MAY BE IN 547 00:14:59,500 --> 00:15:00,433 TROUBLE WITH THE LAW? 548 00:15:00,433 --> 00:15:00,633 YEAH. 549 00:15:00,633 --> 00:15:02,566 RIGHT. 550 00:15:02,566 --> 00:15:05,266 WE HAVE BEEN IN THE NEWS THIS 551 00:15:05,266 --> 00:15:05,466 WEEK. 552 00:15:05,466 --> 00:15:06,433 THERE HAS BEEN A YOU'RE LONG 553 00:15:06,433 --> 00:15:08,733 INVESTIGATION BY THE FB I AND 554 00:15:08,733 --> 00:15:10,266 FEDERAL GRAND JURY INTO RICK 555 00:15:10,266 --> 00:15:11,666 JOHNSON'S AGOS AS THE CHAIRMAN 556 00:15:11,666 --> 00:15:13,633 OF THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA 557 00:15:13,633 --> 00:15:14,200 LICENSING BOARD. 558 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,200 THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT RICK 559 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:16,433 JOHNSON. 560 00:15:16,433 --> 00:15:18,833 BUT HE IS ONE OF THE PEOPLE, BE 561 00:15:18,833 --> 00:15:20,566 THAT ARE AT THE FOCUS OF THIS 562 00:15:20,566 --> 00:15:24,000 PROBE, AND YOU KNOW IT COULD 563 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,166 UPEND STATE GOVERNMENT. 564 00:15:25,166 --> 00:15:26,233 WITH WHAT THEY UNCOVER. 565 00:15:26,233 --> 00:15:29,533 I MEAN, THIS IS ONE OF FOUR 566 00:15:29,533 --> 00:15:31,266 ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS INVOLVING 567 00:15:31,266 --> 00:15:33,866 MEMBERS OF FORMER MEMBERS OF THE 568 00:15:33,866 --> 00:15:34,166 LEGISLATURE. 569 00:15:34,166 --> 00:15:35,966 >> THIS STORIES NO AT-YEAR-OLD. 570 00:15:35,966 --> 00:15:36,866 THIS STORY HAS BEEN FLOATING 571 00:15:36,866 --> 00:15:39,000 AROUND FOR LITERALLY YEARS, AS 572 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,333 AFTER HE LEFT THE COMMISSION. 573 00:15:41,333 --> 00:15:44,966 WHAT IS THE ALLEGATIONS? 574 00:15:44,966 --> 00:15:45,833 A WOMAN THE ALLEGATION HE WAS 575 00:15:45,833 --> 00:15:47,033 BASICALLY ALLOWING OR PUTTING 576 00:15:47,033 --> 00:15:48,566 THINKING FINGER ON THE SCALES 577 00:15:48,566 --> 00:15:50,300 FOR PARTICULAR CLIENTS WHO WERE 578 00:15:50,300 --> 00:15:52,466 TRYING TO GET TOT THIS BE THE 579 00:15:52,466 --> 00:15:54,433 FIRST END LINE TO BE ABLE TO 580 00:15:54,433 --> 00:15:55,966 SUPPLY MARIJUANA MEDICALLY TO 581 00:15:55,966 --> 00:15:58,066 THOSE PATIENTS WHO NEED IT. 582 00:15:58,066 --> 00:16:00,766 REMEMBER, WHEN BEFORE IT BECAME 583 00:16:00,766 --> 00:16:03,100 LEGAL FOR EVERYBODY. 584 00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:04,333 THERE WAS VERY FUNNELED SYSTEM 585 00:16:04,333 --> 00:16:06,400 THAT PEOPLE HADED TO TRAVEL 586 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,233 THROUGH TO BE ABLE TO SELL 587 00:16:08,233 --> 00:16:09,166 MEDICAL MARIJUANA LEGALLY. 588 00:16:09,166 --> 00:16:11,033 IT WAS COMPETITIVE. 589 00:16:11,033 --> 00:16:11,966 THERE WAS A LOT OF TENSION AS AS 590 00:16:11,966 --> 00:16:13,166 TO WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO GET 591 00:16:13,166 --> 00:16:13,900 THROUGH FIRST. 592 00:16:13,900 --> 00:16:15,633 >> SO MUCH MEN NY AT STAKE. 593 00:16:15,633 --> 00:16:16,933 EVERYBODY WANTED TO BE THE FIRST 594 00:16:16,933 --> 00:16:18,333 BUN THROUGH THE DOOR SO THELE 595 00:16:18,333 --> 00:16:20,866 AGATION WASES THAT RICK JOHNSON 596 00:16:20,866 --> 00:16:22,900 WAS SHOWING FAVOR FOR ONE 597 00:16:22,900 --> 00:16:23,933 COMPANY OR ANOTHER. 598 00:16:23,933 --> 00:16:25,166 THAT WAS THE ALLEGATION AND, AS 599 00:16:25,166 --> 00:16:26,900 YOU SAID, THAT HAD BEEN RUMORED 600 00:16:26,900 --> 00:16:28,433 FOR SOMETIME, AND 601 00:16:28,433 --> 00:16:29,600 CONGRATULATIONS TO THE DETROIT 602 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:30,900 NEWS FOR ACTUALLY FINDING OUT 603 00:16:30,900 --> 00:16:33,266 THAT THE FBI IS, INDEED, LOOKING 604 00:16:33,266 --> 00:16:33,733 INTO IT. 605 00:16:33,733 --> 00:16:36,433 THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS, I 606 00:16:36,433 --> 00:16:37,600 THINK, ARE FOR STATE GOVERNMENT 607 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,066 ARE A LOT WORSE THAN WHAT WE ARE 608 00:16:39,066 --> 00:16:41,066 TALKING ABOUT WITH LEE 609 00:16:41,066 --> 00:16:43,600 CHATFIELD, WHICH IS MORE A 610 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:44,533 PERSONAL INDYGRESSION MATTER 611 00:16:44,533 --> 00:16:45,966 DEALING WITH THE OWN CAMPAIGN 612 00:16:45,966 --> 00:16:48,200 FUNDS WHILE IT IS SALACIOUS, 613 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:49,366 PRETTY FLASHY, THIS HAS TO DO 614 00:16:49,366 --> 00:16:52,333 WITH THE WORKINGS OF STATE 615 00:16:52,333 --> 00:16:53,433 GOVERNMENT AND HOW THEY OPERATED 616 00:16:53,433 --> 00:16:55,400 IN TRYING TO GET MEDICAL 617 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:56,566 MARIJUANA TO PEOPLE. 618 00:16:56,566 --> 00:16:57,266 AND PHYSICIAN THERE WERE SOME 619 00:16:57,266 --> 00:16:59,366 PEOPLE WHOM WERE SHOWING FAVOR 620 00:16:59,366 --> 00:16:59,600 RITISM. 621 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,000 THAT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD ON HOW 622 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,433 TIM: WELL, PART OF THE STORY 623 00:17:04,433 --> 00:17:04,600 WAS. 624 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,200 IT WAS NOT JUST ALLEGEDLY THE 625 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:06,666 SPEAKER. 626 00:17:06,666 --> 00:17:10,066 THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE WE WILL 627 00:17:10,066 --> 00:17:11,700 NOT NAME NAMES IN TOWN AND 628 00:17:11,700 --> 00:17:12,533 ASSOCIATING THE WHOLE MIX OF 629 00:17:12,533 --> 00:17:13,600 TRYING TO GET THAT STUFF. 630 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:14,800 >> THAT IS RIGHT. 631 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,033 THAT IS WHY IT GETS TO THE ROOT 632 00:17:16,033 --> 00:17:19,833 OF HOW THE STATE GOVERNMENT 633 00:17:19,833 --> 00:17:20,500 FOPSES THERES WERE PEOPLE WITHIN 634 00:17:20,500 --> 00:17:22,400 RICK SYNDER' ADMINISTRATION 635 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,000 THAT DID NOT WANT RICK JOHNSON 636 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:25,433 CHAIRING THIS BOARD. 637 00:17:25,433 --> 00:17:27,333 THEY SAW WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND 638 00:17:27,333 --> 00:17:28,966 THIS GUY, HE IS A LOBBYIST. 639 00:17:28,966 --> 00:17:31,400 HE HAS SOME ENTANGLEMENTS WITH 640 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:32,333 PEOPLE IN THE MARIJUANA INDUSTRY 641 00:17:32,333 --> 00:17:35,233 AND DO NOT LET HIM CHAIR THIS 642 00:17:35,233 --> 00:17:35,433 BOARD. 643 00:17:35,433 --> 00:17:36,966 THERE WERE OTHERS WHO WERE 644 00:17:36,966 --> 00:17:38,833 PUSHING RICK JOHNSON FORMER 645 00:17:38,833 --> 00:17:40,133 SENATE MAJORITY LEADER AND 646 00:17:40,133 --> 00:17:41,633 NOMINATED HIM AND REALLY WANTED 647 00:17:41,633 --> 00:17:43,366 RICK JOHNSON TO CHAIR THE BOARD 648 00:17:43,366 --> 00:17:44,900 ANSWER GOT HIS WAY EVENTUALLY 649 00:17:44,900 --> 00:17:47,033 THEN, IT WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, KYLE 650 00:17:47,033 --> 00:17:49,300 MAKES AN EXCELLENT POINT ABOUT 651 00:17:49,300 --> 00:17:50,266 WHAT IS THIS IS ABOUT? 652 00:17:50,266 --> 00:17:51,433 WHO GOT THE LICENSE. 653 00:17:51,433 --> 00:17:53,300 THAT BOARD MOVED SO SLOWLY. 654 00:17:53,300 --> 00:17:54,600 THERE WERE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT 655 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,466 WERE DELAYED GETTING INTO THIS 656 00:17:56,466 --> 00:17:58,833 INDUSTRY AND SOME PEOPLE GOT 657 00:17:58,833 --> 00:18:00,533 INTO IT EARLY AND OTHER PEOPLE 658 00:18:00,533 --> 00:18:02,033 FACED A SYSTEM THAT WAS STUCK IN 659 00:18:02,033 --> 00:18:04,133 THE MUD, THAT IS ADVANTAGE THO 660 00:18:04,133 --> 00:18:05,166 THE PEOPLE WHO GOT THE LICENSES 661 00:18:05,166 --> 00:18:06,866 BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE, THOUGH, 662 00:18:06,866 --> 00:18:08,166 TRYING TO GET IN AND START A 663 00:18:08,166 --> 00:18:09,800 COUPLE OF MINUTES LATE FER IT A 664 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,300 RACE AROUND THE TRACK. 665 00:18:11,300 --> 00:18:12,466 >> THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT 666 00:18:12,466 --> 00:18:16,600 REALLY IMPACTED A LOT OF LOCAL 667 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,266 BUSINESSES PEOPLE IN DETROIT AND 668 00:18:18,266 --> 00:18:21,033 ANN ARBOR, EVEN LANSING TO SOME 669 00:18:21,033 --> 00:18:21,266 EXTENT. 670 00:18:21,266 --> 00:18:22,300 THIS WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT 671 00:18:22,300 --> 00:18:24,033 GOT PUT OUT OF BUSINESS BECAUSE 672 00:18:24,033 --> 00:18:26,433 OF HOW LONG THIS TOOK, BECAUSE 673 00:18:26,433 --> 00:18:28,333 OF THE PROCEDURAL HURDLES THAT A 674 00:18:28,333 --> 00:18:29,633 LOT OF PEOPLE HADED TO GO 675 00:18:29,633 --> 00:18:31,800 THROUGH, SOB IF THESE 676 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,300 ALLEGATIONS DO PROOF ACCURATE, 677 00:18:33,300 --> 00:18:34,700 THAT MEANS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE 678 00:18:34,700 --> 00:18:36,533 WENT OUT OF BUSINESS FOR 679 00:18:36,533 --> 00:18:37,900 POTENTIALLY NOTHING WHILE OTHER 680 00:18:37,900 --> 00:18:41,233 PEOPLE WERE GETTING FAVORITISM. 681 00:18:41,233 --> 00:18:42,866 >> EXCUSE ME, AS CRAIG MENTIONED 682 00:18:42,866 --> 00:18:43,333 EARLIER. 683 00:18:43,333 --> 00:18:44,366 ALL OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS THAT 684 00:18:44,366 --> 00:18:46,566 ARE GOING ON I THINK, JUST FOR 685 00:18:46,566 --> 00:18:48,300 MICHIGAN EARNS TO SEE, YOU KNOW, 686 00:18:48,300 --> 00:18:49,833 THEIR STATE LEADERSHIP BEING PUT 687 00:18:49,833 --> 00:18:52,333 IN THESE POSITIONS IT COULD BE 688 00:18:52,333 --> 00:18:53,733 QUITE CONCERNING. 689 00:18:53,733 --> 00:18:56,033 I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE 690 00:18:56,033 --> 00:18:58,466 ARE KIND OF IN THIS PLACE, 691 00:18:58,466 --> 00:19:00,100 WHERE, WHERE TRYING TO TAKE THE 692 00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:02,900 NEXT STEP IN THE STATES, BUT, 693 00:19:02,900 --> 00:19:03,966 HOPEFULLY, THESE INVESTIGATIONS, 694 00:19:03,966 --> 00:19:07,166 YOU KNOW, DON'T SHINE A BAD 695 00:19:07,166 --> 00:19:08,333 LIGHT ON THE WORK THAT THEY ARE 696 00:19:08,333 --> 00:19:09,166 TRYING TO DO. 697 00:19:09,166 --> 00:19:11,200 TIM: WELL, THIS TIES TO THE 698 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,000 WHOLE LEGISLATIVE EFFORT WHERE 699 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,100 ARE KYLE, FOR FREEDOM OF 700 00:19:14,100 --> 00:19:15,733 INFORMATION TO GET MORE 701 00:19:15,733 --> 00:19:17,033 TRANSPARENCY AS TO WHAT IS GOING 702 00:19:17,033 --> 00:19:20,133 BEHIND THE SCENES NOW THE D RAE 703 00:19:20,133 --> 00:19:22,200 CONTROL HE IS IT DEGREES AND 704 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:22,700 READY TO GO? 705 00:19:22,700 --> 00:19:24,366 I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT. 706 00:19:24,366 --> 00:19:25,200 WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. 707 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,433 WE ARE NOT LEADING WITH THAT. 708 00:19:27,433 --> 00:19:29,766 PAR REASON SY HAS IS HIS TOCLY 709 00:19:29,766 --> 00:19:31,733 BEEN AND TOOL BY THE MINE 710 00:19:31,733 --> 00:19:32,433 TORTIPARTY AND SOMETHING THEY 711 00:19:32,433 --> 00:19:34,200 TRAY TO PUSH OUT THERE. 712 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,433 WELL, AT SOME POINT, WE GOING TO 713 00:19:36,433 --> 00:19:37,500 SEE A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT 714 00:19:37,500 --> 00:19:38,633 THAT COVERS THE GOVERNOR'S 715 00:19:38,633 --> 00:19:39,200 OFFICE? 716 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:39,900 I TOP KNOW. 717 00:19:39,900 --> 00:19:40,533 WE'LL SEE. 718 00:19:40,533 --> 00:19:42,500 WHAT ABOUT THE LEGISLATURE? 719 00:19:42,500 --> 00:19:43,233 I DON'T KNOW. 720 00:19:43,233 --> 00:19:45,066 WE'LL SEE. 721 00:19:45,066 --> 00:19:47,900 BUT THE TREND HAS BEEN TOWARD 722 00:19:47,900 --> 00:19:48,933 MORE SECRET SY. 723 00:19:48,933 --> 00:19:50,000 NOT MORE OPENNESS? 724 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,200 >> WE HAVE TO CALL IT LIKE IT 725 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:51,666 IS. 726 00:19:51,666 --> 00:19:53,600 THIS IS INCREDIBLY UNSETTLING 727 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:54,800 WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW. 728 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,200 AS SOMEONE THAT COVERS THE 729 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,233 LEGISLATURE AND ON THE 730 00:19:59,233 --> 00:20:00,600 DAY-TO-DAY BASIS YOU HAVE 731 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,233 INFORMATION BY THE FBI AND THE 732 00:20:02,233 --> 00:20:03,366 ROLL LEADING THE KEY STATE BOARD 733 00:20:03,366 --> 00:20:04,400 AND THE INVESTIGATION BY THE 734 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:05,300 ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE INTO 735 00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:07,200 THE FORMER SPEAK OFFICER TO WHAT 736 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,100 HE WAS DOING AS THE TOP LAWMAKER 737 00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:09,900 THE HOUSE AND ANOTHER 738 00:20:09,900 --> 00:20:11,066 INVESTIGATION BY THE ATTORNEY 739 00:20:11,066 --> 00:20:12,666 GENERAL INTO NONPROFITS AND TIED 740 00:20:12,666 --> 00:20:16,033 TO THE FORMER SENATE MAJORITY 741 00:20:16,033 --> 00:20:16,466 LEAR, MIKE SHIRKEY. 742 00:20:16,466 --> 00:20:17,600 ALL OF THIS IS GOING ON. 743 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,233 YOU ARE NOT HEARING A PEEP OUT 744 00:20:21,233 --> 00:20:22,633 OF OUR STATE LEADERS ABOUT 745 00:20:22,633 --> 00:20:23,600 ANYTHING NEEDING TO BE DONE 746 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:24,200 ABOUT ANY THIS. 747 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,733 IT WAS NOT MENSED STATE OF THE 748 00:20:25,733 --> 00:20:25,966 STATE. 749 00:20:25,966 --> 00:20:28,433 ARE NOT HEARING ANN BILLS BEING 750 00:20:28,433 --> 00:20:29,933 ADVANCED IN THE LEGISLATURE NOW. 751 00:20:29,933 --> 00:20:30,700 THAT IS A PACT OF WHAT IS HAPPEN 752 00:20:30,700 --> 00:20:31,533 MOG YOU IN. 753 00:20:31,533 --> 00:20:33,100 WELL, A PERFECT EXAMPLE WOULD 754 00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:33,933 BE, BY THE WAY. 755 00:20:33,933 --> 00:20:35,433 TALKED TO THE SENATOR WHO IS 756 00:20:35,433 --> 00:20:36,400 WORKING WITH SENATOR MOSS ON. 757 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,166 HE SAYS YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAVE SO 758 00:20:38,166 --> 00:20:40,600 MANY NEW MEMBERS IN THE 759 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:41,066 LEGISLATURE NOW. 760 00:20:41,066 --> 00:20:43,366 WE GOT TO BASICALLY GO BACK TO 761 00:20:43,366 --> 00:20:44,866 SQUARE ONE AND BRING EVERYBODY 762 00:20:44,866 --> 00:20:46,733 UP TO SPEED SO LOOKING AT THREE 763 00:20:46,733 --> 00:20:48,333 TO FOUR MONTHS BEFORE IT COMES 764 00:20:48,333 --> 00:20:49,300 TO HEAD BUT FREEDOM OF INFORMING 765 00:20:49,300 --> 00:20:51,233 FOR THE EXECUTIVE OFFICE IS A 766 00:20:51,233 --> 00:20:52,566 KEY PART WOULDN'T WE LIKE TO SEE 767 00:20:52,566 --> 00:20:55,766 THE E-MAIL EXCHANGE IN THE 768 00:20:55,766 --> 00:20:56,933 GOVERNOR'S OFFICE MR. MID ARE HE 769 00:20:56,933 --> 00:20:58,466 OFFICE OVER THE RICK JOHNSON 770 00:20:58,466 --> 00:21:01,333 DISCUSSIONS HOW, HOW DEEP DID 771 00:21:01,333 --> 00:21:01,800 THAT CONVERSATION GO? 772 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:02,766 DID THE GOVERNOR SAY IT WAS 773 00:21:02,766 --> 00:21:04,600 PROBLEM M WE WILL PROBABLY NEVER 774 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,533 FIND THAT OUT UNLESS SOMEBODY 775 00:21:06,533 --> 00:21:07,066 TALKS IF. 776 00:21:07,066 --> 00:21:08,000 ON TOP OF THAT. 777 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,900 WELL, LET'S BRING THIS TO THE 778 00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:11,166 CURRENT GOVERNOR'S 779 00:21:11,166 --> 00:21:11,966 ADMINISTRATION. 780 00:21:11,966 --> 00:21:13,000 GOVERNOR WHITMER DID AWAY WITH 781 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,800 THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA LICENSING 782 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:15,000 BOARD? 783 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,200 WAS IT PART OF THE REASON FOR 784 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,766 DOING AWAY WITH THE LICENSING 785 00:21:17,766 --> 00:21:18,300 BOARD? 786 00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:19,966 WELL, THEY ALSO SWITCHED OUT THE 787 00:21:19,966 --> 00:21:22,366 LEADER OF THE CANNABIS RAGE 788 00:21:22,366 --> 00:21:23,600 STORY AGENCY THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE 789 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,233 A REASON FOR WHY THEY ARE DOING 790 00:21:25,233 --> 00:21:25,433 THAT. 791 00:21:25,433 --> 00:21:27,166 WHAT THE E-MAILS AROUND THAT 792 00:21:27,166 --> 00:21:28,866 CHANGE THAT WAS MADE AT THE TOP 793 00:21:28,866 --> 00:21:30,600 OF THE VERY KEY STATE AGENCY AND 794 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,300 WE DO NOT KNOW BUS WE DO NOT GET 795 00:21:32,300 --> 00:21:34,800 ACCESS TO THE MESSAGE AS? 796 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:35,200 ALL RIGHT. 797 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,700 TAKE A LOOK AT THE U.S. SENATE 798 00:21:36,700 --> 00:21:37,266 RACE. 799 00:21:37,266 --> 00:21:40,900 WHAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE DEBBIE 800 00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:42,000 STABENOW SHOCKED THIS WORLD. 801 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,066 WHY ARE WE NOW? 802 00:21:44,066 --> 00:21:45,833 WELL, SO THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF 803 00:21:45,833 --> 00:21:46,400 NAMES THROWN OUT. 804 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,666 IT IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR BOTH 805 00:21:48,666 --> 00:21:49,800 DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS TO 806 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,066 FILL THAT SEAT. 807 00:21:51,066 --> 00:21:53,200 AND AS FAR AS DEMOCRATS GO, I 808 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,466 KNOW, THAT HALEY STEVENS SHE 809 00:21:55,466 --> 00:21:59,100 RECENTLY ANNOUNCED SHE WILL NOT 810 00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:00,633 BE SERVING THAT ROLE. 811 00:22:00,633 --> 00:22:01,833 SHE CAN BETTER SERVE THE 812 00:22:01,833 --> 00:22:03,600 CONSTITUENTS IN THE CURRENT ROLE 813 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:04,366 IN THE HOUSE. 814 00:22:04,366 --> 00:22:07,666 >> WELL, IT IS BEING POISED 815 00:22:07,666 --> 00:22:08,733 MAYBE FILLS THAT ROLE AND SHE 816 00:22:08,733 --> 00:22:14,033 HAD A VERY COMPETITIVE RACE WITH 817 00:22:14,033 --> 00:22:17,166 IT MAY JUST BE A MATTER OF, YOU 818 00:22:17,166 --> 00:22:18,566 KNOW, PUTTING SOMEBODY IN WHO 819 00:22:18,566 --> 00:22:19,900 HASES A TRACK RECORD OF, YOU 820 00:22:19,900 --> 00:22:21,000 KNOW, PULLING OUT UP THE 821 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:21,833 COMPETITIVE RACES IN. 822 00:22:21,833 --> 00:22:23,633 WELL WHOS THE FRONT-RUNNER RIGHT 823 00:22:23,633 --> 00:22:24,000 NOW? 824 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,566 >> WELL, ON THE DEMOCRATIC 825 00:22:25,566 --> 00:22:25,900 SIDED? 826 00:22:25,900 --> 00:22:26,100 YEAH. 827 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:26,300 YEAH. 828 00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:31,500 THINK IT IS ALYSSA AND SECRETARY 829 00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:32,900 STATE JOCELYN BENSON I THINK 830 00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:34,400 THOSE ARE TWO PEOPLE TO WATCH IN 831 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,333 THIS RACE RIGHT NOW I THINK 832 00:22:37,333 --> 00:22:38,633 GOING TO I HAVE LOT OF FORTH 833 00:22:38,633 --> 00:22:39,533 WERE D.C. TRILLION THE 834 00:22:39,533 --> 00:22:41,000 INSTITUTIONAL POWERS SHE CAN 835 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,433 RAISE A TON OF MONEY THEN YOU 836 00:22:43,433 --> 00:22:45,633 HAVE JOSLIN VINSON WHO RUNS THE 837 00:22:45,633 --> 00:22:47,400 STATEWIDE CAMPAIGNS. 838 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,500 WON BOY A LOT OF VOTE IN THE 839 00:22:49,500 --> 00:22:51,600 LAST ELECTION AND HOLD AS A 840 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,000 POSTS THAT GIVE IS A LOT AND 841 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:53,866 PEOPLE KNOW WHO SHE IS. 842 00:22:53,866 --> 00:22:54,233 YEAH. 843 00:22:54,233 --> 00:22:55,966 I A I GREE WITH CRAIG. 844 00:22:55,966 --> 00:22:58,166 I MEAN, ALISA IS GOING TO RUN. 845 00:22:58,166 --> 00:23:01,066 THINK THAT IS A FOREGONE 846 00:23:01,066 --> 00:23:01,733 CONCLUSION AND SHE WILL WAIT AND 847 00:23:01,733 --> 00:23:03,000 PUT A TEAM TOGETHER AND MAKE 848 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,733 SURE AUM THE T'S A CROSSED AND 849 00:23:04,733 --> 00:23:05,500 THE GOOD STUFF. 850 00:23:05,500 --> 00:23:08,133 WHO IS GOING TO OCCUPY THAT MORE 851 00:23:08,133 --> 00:23:09,666 PROGRESSIVE LYNN AND COULD BE 852 00:23:09,666 --> 00:23:13,400 JOSLIN AND COULD BE BENSON AND 853 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,233 MAYBE GOVERNOR SENATOR THAT IS A 854 00:23:15,233 --> 00:23:15,533 POSSIBILITY? 855 00:23:15,533 --> 00:23:15,933 YOU KNOW? 856 00:23:15,933 --> 00:23:17,366 THAT IS STILL OUT THERE. 857 00:23:17,366 --> 00:23:19,266 BUT I DON'T THINK WE WILL SEE 858 00:23:19,266 --> 00:23:21,366 MORE THAN TWO AT MOST THREE HIGH 859 00:23:21,366 --> 00:23:22,533 PROFILE CANDIDATE ON THE 860 00:23:22,533 --> 00:23:23,700 DEMOCRATIC SIDEMENT THE QUESTION 861 00:23:23,700 --> 00:23:25,266 IS ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE WHERE 862 00:23:25,266 --> 00:23:27,733 IT IS A LOT MORE MURKY. 863 00:23:27,733 --> 00:23:29,633 DOES JOHN JAME GOES AHEAD AND 864 00:23:29,633 --> 00:23:31,866 TAKE A LEAP AND DOES PETER MEYER 865 00:23:31,866 --> 00:23:32,566 GET LURED INTO? 866 00:23:32,566 --> 00:23:34,866 IT WHAT ABOUT LISA McCLAIN WHO 867 00:23:34,866 --> 00:23:36,866 IS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS TO THAT 868 00:23:36,866 --> 00:23:39,533 HAS SOME MONEY AND HAS A FRIEND 869 00:23:39,533 --> 00:23:40,600 AND SCOTT GREENELY WHO COULD BE 870 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,833 THE NEXT STATE PARTY CHIR AND 871 00:23:41,833 --> 00:23:43,400 THOSE ARE THE THREE BIG 872 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,366 POSSIBILITIES AND RUTH JOHNSON 873 00:23:44,366 --> 00:23:45,800 TALKED ABOUT IT AND FORMER 874 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,233 SECRETARY OF STATE AND DOESN'T 875 00:23:47,233 --> 00:23:48,633 HAVE THE SAME YOU KNOW, SHE 876 00:23:48,633 --> 00:23:51,033 DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME STATE NAME 877 00:23:51,033 --> 00:23:52,666 I.D. SHE DID TEN YEARS AGO AND 878 00:23:52,666 --> 00:23:54,466 HAS NOT HAD A HISTORY OF RAISING 879 00:23:54,466 --> 00:23:57,000 A LOT OF MAD BUBS LIKE JOHN 880 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,400 JAMES HAS BUT THAT IS LASS 881 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,366 POSSIBILITY THEN, THEN, FOR 882 00:24:00,366 --> 00:24:01,866 REPUBLICANS, THOUGH, THEY, THEY 883 00:24:01,866 --> 00:24:04,066 REALIZED THAT THE CHANCE TO GET 884 00:24:04,066 --> 00:24:05,466 THIS SENATE SEAT IS NOW. 885 00:24:05,466 --> 00:24:07,533 THE HISTORY AND THE PAST 60 886 00:24:07,533 --> 00:24:08,833 YEARS IS THEY DON'T BEAT 887 00:24:08,833 --> 00:24:10,600 DEMOCRATS IN PRIMARIES WHEN THEY 888 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,566 ARE IN COUPLE BEEN AS AND NEVER 889 00:24:12,566 --> 00:24:15,066 UNSEAT IN THE LAST 60 YEARS THEY 890 00:24:15,066 --> 00:24:16,433 ONLY WIN OPEN SEATS THE TIME TO 891 00:24:16,433 --> 00:24:18,500 DO IT AND SO, FOR JOHN JAMES THE 892 00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:20,466 TIME IS NOW IF HE WASN'TS TO 893 00:24:20,466 --> 00:24:23,000 TAKE ADVANTAGE. 894 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:23,866 >> ROCKIES ALSO SERIOUSLY 895 00:24:23,866 --> 00:24:25,600 LOOKING AT THAT AND SO SERIOUS 896 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,600 HE WILL POP DOWN TO SHALL WITH 897 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:27,666 ATON IN THIS HE NEXT COUPLE OF 898 00:24:27,666 --> 00:24:30,900 WEEK THEN HEARINGS THE MISSION. 899 00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:32,833 ANYONE AROUND THE STATE 900 00:24:32,833 --> 00:24:34,900 REMEMBERED JIM DUTN RAN FOR THE 901 00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:36,900 U.S. SENATE MANY MANY MOONS AGO 902 00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:37,966 AND GOT THE REPUBLICAN 903 00:24:37,966 --> 00:24:39,466 NOMINATION THEN THE NATIONAL 904 00:24:39,466 --> 00:24:40,666 REPUBLICAN PEOPLE SAID, JIMMY WE 905 00:24:40,666 --> 00:24:42,766 ARE GOING TO HELP OUT, MAN. 906 00:24:42,766 --> 00:24:44,600 WE ARE GOING SEND YOU CHECKS AND 907 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,366 THE FIRST TWO POLLS CAME OUT AND 908 00:24:47,366 --> 00:24:49,533 SHOWED JIM DUNN WAS NOT DRAIN 909 00:24:49,533 --> 00:24:50,966 COMMISSIONER SO THE MONEY DRIED 910 00:24:50,966 --> 00:24:51,966 UP AND REMEMBERS IT. 911 00:24:51,966 --> 00:24:53,900 HE IS GOING TO WASHINGTON TO 912 00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:55,200 BASICALLY FIND OUT IF HE GETS IN 913 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,866 ARE THEY GOING TO HELP FUND OK? 914 00:24:58,866 --> 00:25:01,000 HE CAN SELF FUND $1-00 MILLION. 915 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,233 HE CAN'T DOP THE WHOLE THING. 916 00:25:02,233 --> 00:25:03,966 THAT IS ANOTHER NAME, THERE, YOU 917 00:25:03,966 --> 00:25:06,766 ABOUT THE WHOLE KEY IS STABENOW 918 00:25:06,766 --> 00:25:08,033 FINISH OUT THE TERM OR GET 919 00:25:08,033 --> 00:25:10,600 PRESSURE TO HANG IT UP EARLY? 920 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,233 >> WELL, I GUESS, I DON'T HAVE 921 00:25:13,233 --> 00:25:14,966 THE ANSWERS TO THAT. 922 00:25:14,966 --> 00:25:16,266 >> SOMEBODY IS GOING TO ASK HER. 923 00:25:16,266 --> 00:25:17,333 >> YOU ARE STUCK ON THIS. 924 00:25:17,333 --> 00:25:19,300 >> YEAH. 925 00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:22,033 >> YEAH. 926 00:25:22,033 --> 00:25:23,100 >> SHE SET UP GOING TO DO IT. 927 00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:26,400 I ALREADY TOLD YOU. 928 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,966 >> AM I OWNED OUT OF BOUNDS 929 00:25:28,966 --> 00:25:29,766 FLOOR? 930 00:25:29,766 --> 00:25:31,666 YOU ARE NOT OUT OF BOUNDS. 931 00:25:31,666 --> 00:25:33,033 SHE IS WAY TOO PROUD. 932 00:25:33,033 --> 00:25:34,933 SHE IS GOING TO RUN LOOING THE 933 00:25:34,933 --> 00:25:35,133 TAPE. 934 00:25:35,133 --> 00:25:36,266 >> WE ARE K TAKING ABOUT 935 00:25:36,266 --> 00:25:36,533 POLITICS. 936 00:25:36,533 --> 00:25:37,433 >> I UNDERSTANDED. 937 00:25:37,433 --> 00:25:40,300 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY'S 938 00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:40,633 LIFE. 939 00:25:40,633 --> 00:25:42,033 >> HAD PEOPLE TELL ME SKEW BIC, 940 00:25:42,033 --> 00:25:43,666 SHE IS HOT GOING TO BUDGE. 941 00:25:43,666 --> 00:25:44,533 WELL A PHYSICIAN OUT. 942 00:25:44,533 --> 00:25:46,300 OPEN SEAT IS ONE THING. 943 00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:49,000 INCUMBENT IN THAT SEAT IS QUITE 944 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:49,233 ANOTHER. 945 00:25:49,233 --> 00:25:50,200 DON'T WE APREON THAT. 946 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,100 THINK SO. 947 00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:51,966 I MEAN, WHO WANTS TO GET 948 00:25:51,966 --> 00:25:53,600 INVOLVED IN THIS EARLY? 949 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,233 I MEAN I THINK SETTING UP THIS 950 00:25:55,233 --> 00:25:56,800 PRIMARY RACE AND LETTING THE 951 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:57,733 VOTERS DETERMINE WHO THE DEM 952 00:25:57,733 --> 00:25:59,333 CRAIC NOMINEE IS GOING TO BE IS 953 00:25:59,333 --> 00:26:00,700 PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF 954 00:26:00,700 --> 00:26:02,933 TOP DEMOCRAT WAS RATHER SEE, NO? 955 00:26:02,933 --> 00:26:04,633 TIM: GOVERNORS LOVE TO MAKE 956 00:26:04,633 --> 00:26:05,766 APPOINTS. 957 00:26:05,766 --> 00:26:06,766 >> THEY DO. 958 00:26:06,766 --> 00:26:08,900 GOVERNORS LIKE TO MAKE PINTS. 959 00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:10,000 LISTEN TO PELL COME TOLL "OFF 960 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,566 THE RECORD." 961 00:26:11,566 --> 00:26:12,533 LIKEWISE THE THREE OF YOU. 962 00:26:12,533 --> 00:26:17,333 SEE YOU NEXT WEEK FOR MORE OTR. 963 00:26:17,333 --> 00:26:18,366 ANNOUNCER: PRODUCTION OF OF OUR 964 00:26:18,366 --> 00:26:20,100 THE RECORD IS MADE POSSIBLE IN 965 00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:23,566 PART BY MARTIN WAYMIRE, A FULL 966 00:26:23,566 --> 00:26:25,333 SERVICE STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS 967 00:26:25,333 --> 00:26:27,133 INDUSTRY PARTNERING WITH CLIENTS 968 00:26:27,133 --> 00:26:29,233 THROUGH DIGITAL MARKET AND PUB 969 00:26:29,233 --> 00:26:30,733 PUBLIC POLICY ENGAGE. 970 00:26:30,733 --> 00:26:34,366 LEARN MORE AT MARTIN WAYMIRE. 971 00:26:34,366 --> 00:26:34,533 COM. 972 00:26:34,533 --> 00:26:38,033 FOR MORE "OFF THE RECORD," VISIT 973 00:26:38,033 --> 00:26:38,533 WKAR.ORG. 974 00:26:38,533 --> 00:26:39,533 MICHIGAN PUBLIC TELEVISION 975 00:26:39,533 --> 00:26:41,866 STATIONS HAVE CON, BUTTED TO THE 976 00:26:41,866 --> 00:26:42,800 PRODUCTION COSTS OF "OFF THE 977 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,500 RECORD."