WEBVTT 00:00.100 --> 00:02.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% WELCOME BACK, OUR OTR GUEST THIS 00:02.166 --> 00:06.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% WEEK IS ATTORNEY MATTHEW DEPERNO 00:06.666 --> 00:08.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:45% REPRESENTING STATE 00:08.233 --> 00:09.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% REPRESENTATIVE TODD CURIOUSER 00:09.633 --> 00:11.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% AND THEY RULE ON THE 00:11.033 --> 00:13.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% COURSER-GAMRAT CASE AND NOW WHAT 00:13.200 --> 00:15.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% ON THE PANEL IS ZOE CLARK, KYLE 00:15.500 --> 00:18.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% MELINN AND CHAD LIVENGOOD. 00:18.466 --> 00:19.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% SIT IN WITH US AS WE GET THE 00:19.766 --> 00:20.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% INSIDE OUT OFF THE RECORD. 00:20.366 --> 00:21.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% "PRODUCTION OF OFF THE RECORD IS 00:21.066 --> 00:21.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% MADE POSSIBLE, IN PART, BY A 00:21.733 --> 00:22.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% GRANT FROM TRUSCOTT-ROSSMAN. 00:22.400 --> 00:23.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% MICHIGAN'S ONLY BI-PARTISAN, 00:23.066 --> 00:23.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS FIRM, 00:23.766 --> 00:24.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% SERVING STATE-WIDE, NATIONAL AND 00:24.466 --> 00:25.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% INTERNATIONAL CLIENTS FROM THEIR 00:25.166 --> 00:25.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% OFFICES IN LANSING, DETROIT AND 00:25.866 --> 00:26.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5% GRAND RAPIDS. 00:26.266 --> 00:26.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% TRUSCOTT-ROSSMAN.COM. 00:26.833 --> 00:27.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% HAGER FOX HEATING AND AIR 00:27.433 --> 00:28.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% CONDITIONING COMPANY, SERVING 00:28.100 --> 00:28.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% THE GREATER-LANSING AREA SINCE 00:28.800 --> 00:29.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% 1941. 00:29.066 --> 00:29.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% PROVIDING SOLUTIONS AND CHOICES 00:29.766 --> 00:30.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% FOR HOME COMFORT DURING ALL 00:30.400 --> 00:30.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% MICHIGAN SEASONS. 00:30.866 --> 00:31.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% HAGER FOX AND BRYANT, WHATEVER 00:31.566 --> 00:31.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% IT TAKES. 00:31.900 --> 00:32.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:37.5% HAGER FOX.COM." 00:32.333 --> 00:32.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% "AND BY MSU COLLEGE OF 00:32.933 --> 00:33.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% AGRICULTURE AND NATURAL 00:33.500 --> 00:33.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% RESOURCES. 00:33.866 --> 00:34.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% TACKLING THE WORLD'S BIGGEST 00:34.566 --> 00:35.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% PROBLEMS RELATED TO FOOD, ENERGY 00:35.266 --> 00:35.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% AND THE ENVIRONMENT. 00:35.800 --> 00:36.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% WITH 20 MAJORS, 17 MINORS AND 12 00:36.500 --> 00:37.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% CERTIFICATE PROGRAMS, THE 00:37.100 --> 00:37.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% COLLEGE OF AGRICULTURE AND 00:37.733 --> 00:38.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% NATURAL RESOURCES PROVIDES 00:38.366 --> 00:39.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% STUDENTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO 00:39.033 --> 01:12.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:17.5% EXCEL." 01:12.066 --> 01:14.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% AND NOW THIS EDITION OF OFF THE 01:14.133 --> 01:16.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% RECORD WITH TIM SKUBICK. 01:16.266 --> 01:17.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH WELCOME 01:17.866 --> 01:19.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% BACK TO OUR LITTLE PROGRAM. 01:19.333 --> 01:21.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% THE COURT DECIDED ON THE 01:21.233 --> 01:22.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% COURSER-GAMRAT THING, WHAT DID 01:22.466 --> 01:23.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% YOU MAKE OF THAT? 01:23.900 --> 01:25.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> THEY DID, THE CHARGES JUST 01:25.133 --> 01:27.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% DROPPED, DISMISSED AGAINST 01:27.233 --> 01:28.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% FORMER REPRESENTATIVE CINDY 01:28.666 --> 01:31.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% GAMRAT WHO WAS ACTUALLY THE 01:31.033 --> 01:33.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% LAWMAKER WHO WAS EXPELLED THAT 01:33.833 --> 01:35.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% LATE-NIGHT SESSION IN THE HOUSE 01:35.333 --> 01:38.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% AND THEN A CHARGE OF MISCONDUCT 01:38.066 --> 01:39.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% AND PERJURY FOR FORMER 01:39.733 --> 01:41.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% REPRESENTATIVE COURSER WHO HAD 01:41.400 --> 01:43.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% DECIDED TO RESIGN RIGHT BEFORE 01:43.066 --> 01:45.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% AN EXPULSION VOTE WAS LIKELY SO 01:45.666 --> 01:47.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% TWO CHARGES AGAINST HIM AND 01:47.266 --> 01:49.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% AGAIN GAMRAT IS WALKING FREE. 01:49.700 --> 01:51.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> THE AG'S OFFICE IS NOT GOING 01:51.666 --> 01:52.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% TO APPEAL. 01:52.033 --> 01:53.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> THAT IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, 01:53.100 --> 01:54.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% THAT IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, 01:54.533 --> 01:55.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% DEFINITELY NOT AGAINST GAMRAT 01:55.966 --> 01:57.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE 01:57.900 --> 01:59.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% LOOKING IN THE TWO CHARGES THAT 01:59.633 --> 02:00.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% WERE DROPPED FOR COURSER, THEY 02:00.800 --> 02:04.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% HAVE 21 OR 20 DAYS NOW AS OF 02:04.633 --> 02:06.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% TUESDAY TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY 02:06.133 --> 02:08.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% WILL DO THAT OR NOT. 02:08.100 --> 02:09.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:35% >> MR. MELINN. 02:09.300 --> 02:11.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> THE CHARGE ON COURSER THAT IS 02:11.433 --> 02:12.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% OUTSTANDING IS IF HE TOLD THE 02:12.966 --> 02:14.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% SELECT HOUSE COMMITTEE THAT HE 02:14.200 --> 02:16.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% COULD NOT OR THAT HE HAD ASKED 02:16.333 --> 02:17.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% HIS STAFF TO CHECK WHETHER THEY 02:17.933 --> 02:19.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% COULD SIGN THESE WHAT IS CALLED 02:19.666 --> 02:21.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% LEGISLATIVE BLUE BACKS, THESE 02:21.700 --> 02:23.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% ARE THE BILLS BEFORE THEY BECOME 02:23.033 --> 02:24.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:17.5% A BILL. 02:24.366 --> 02:25.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% AND STAFF SAID, NO, WE WERE 02:25.966 --> 02:28.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% NEVER INSTRUCTED TO ASK ABOUT 02:28.133 --> 02:30.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% IT, WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO DO IT 02:30.600 --> 02:31.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% WHICH IS I GUESS AGAINST HOUSE 02:31.900 --> 02:33.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% RULES, THAT IS THE PERJURY 02:33.266 --> 02:34.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% CHARGE ON THE TABLE AND EVEN 02:34.700 --> 02:35.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% THAT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE 02:35.933 --> 02:37.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% GRAND SCHEME OF WHAT HAPPENED 02:37.500 --> 02:40.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% WITH THE ENTIRE AFFAIR IT'S 02:40.566 --> 02:42.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% PRETTY, I DON'T KNOW, LOW TIER. 02:42.800 --> 02:44.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% I MEAN TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT 02:44.066 --> 02:45.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5% HAPPENED THIS WEEK. 02:45.433 --> 02:47.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% I MEAN, THIS WAS THE LOWEST 02:47.433 --> 02:49.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% LEVEL OF COURT TO DECIDE IF WE 02:49.333 --> 02:50.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% ARE EVEN GOING TO HAVE A TRIAL 02:50.266 --> 02:51.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% AND THE JUDGE, YOU KNOW, 02:51.733 --> 02:52.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% DISMISSED TWO THIRDS OF THE 02:52.766 --> 02:53.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20% CHARGES. 02:53.833 --> 02:55.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% SO IT JUST KIND OF MAKES YOU 02:55.666 --> 02:57.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% WONDER YOU KNOW WAS THIS REALLY 02:57.400 --> 02:57.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% WORTH IT? 02:57.866 --> 02:58.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% I MEAN TO GO THROUGH THE 02:58.833 --> 03:00.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% CRIMINAL ASPECT OF IT AFTER 03:00.400 --> 03:02.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THESE PEOPLE HAD BEEN PUBLICALLY 03:02.933 --> 03:04.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% HUMILIATED A YEAR AGO, I THINK 03:04.400 --> 03:05.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% THAT IS THE QUESTION ON THE 03:05.233 --> 03:06.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:15% TABLE? 03:06.400 --> 03:07.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> THE IRONY IS THE MISCONDUCT 03:07.566 --> 03:11.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THAT TOOK DOWN TODD COURSER HIS 03:11.066 --> 03:14.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% CONTROL BURN E-MAIL HE SENT OUT 03:14.033 --> 03:16.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% TO FELLOW REPUBLICANS TO TRY TO 03:16.233 --> 03:18.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% SMEAR HIMSELF AND DISTRACT THE 03:18.566 --> 03:20.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% PUBLIC FROM THE AFFAIR OF CINDY 03:20.033 --> 03:21.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% GAMRAT AND THE MISCONDUCT THAT 03:21.966 --> 03:23.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THE JUDGE TOSSED SAYING THIS WAS 03:23.900 --> 03:24.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% NOT IN HIS JURISDICTION, THE 03:24.833 --> 03:26.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% E-MAIL WAS SENT FROM LA PEER 03:26.866 --> 03:29.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% COUNTY AND THIS IS INGHAM COUNTY 03:29.000 --> 03:30.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% AND KIND OF SUGGESTED THEY OUGHT 03:30.900 --> 03:32.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% TO SHOP OVER THERE BUT AT THE 03:32.400 --> 03:33.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% SAME TIME HE BASICALLY FOUND NO 03:33.500 --> 03:36.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% EVIDENCE TO PURSUE THAT CHARGE 03:36.033 --> 03:38.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% AND THAT WAS WHAT STARTED THIS 03:38.900 --> 03:42.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% ENTIRE THING WAS TODD COURSER 03:42.266 --> 03:43.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% SENDING THE E-MAIL AND GETTING 03:43.666 --> 03:45.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% CAUGHT ON TAPE RECORDED BY HIS 03:45.433 --> 03:46.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% FORMER AID AND OF COURSE THE 03:46.966 --> 03:48.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% REST IS HISTORY. 03:48.200 --> 03:50.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> LET'S BE CLEAR HERE THE DIRTY 03:50.366 --> 03:51.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% LITTLE SECRET ABOUT ALL OF THIS 03:51.900 --> 03:54.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% WHICH WE WILL TALK TO OUR GUEST 03:54.233 --> 03:56.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% ABOUT IN LANSING IS FOLKS WILL 03:56.900 --> 03:57.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% ADMIT THAT THE WHOLE SIGNING OF 03:57.933 --> 04:00.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% THE BLUE BACKS IT HAPPENS. 04:00.100 --> 04:01.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% IT HAS HAPPENED. 04:01.233 --> 04:02.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5% >> BY OTHER PEOPLE. 04:02.133 --> 04:03.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5% >> BY OTHER PEOPLE. 04:03.200 --> 04:05.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% AND SO I THINK WHAT IS 04:05.366 --> 04:06.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% INTERESTING HERE IS THE IDEA 04:06.766 --> 04:08.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, 04:08.300 --> 04:10.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% IT'S THE FACT THAT COURSER AND 04:10.266 --> 04:12.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% GAMRAT WERE NOT LIKED. 04:12.300 --> 04:13.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% YOU KNOW, I THINK I REMEMBER THE 04:13.666 --> 04:15.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% QUOTE SOMEONE MADE WHICH IS 04:15.800 --> 04:18.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% FRIENDLESS JERKS AND THE FACT IS 04:18.366 --> 04:20.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THEY DID NOT HAVE THE BACKING OF 04:20.233 --> 04:21.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THE HOUSE SPEAKER AND THE HOUSE 04:21.900 --> 04:23.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% BUSINESS OFFICE AND SO THIS IS 04:23.133 --> 04:24.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% WHERE WE ARE NOW. 04:24.500 --> 04:26.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> ALL RIGHT SO LET'S PUT THIS 04:26.200 --> 04:27.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% DECISION FROM THE COURT IN THE 04:27.900 --> 04:34.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% CONTEXT OF THE DECISION BY THE 04:34.433 --> 04:36.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% LEGISLATURE AND I TALKED TO 04:36.233 --> 04:37.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% BROOM WHEN HE WAS WORKING ON HIS 04:37.333 --> 04:39.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% CATTLE IN THE UP YESTERDAY. 04:39.166 --> 04:40.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> AS WELL HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN. 04:40.766 --> 04:43.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> AND I SAID OKAY DID THE HOUSE 04:43.733 --> 04:45.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% GET THIS WRONG AND HE SAID 04:45.333 --> 04:46.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% ABSOLUTELY NOT, THIS WAS A 04:46.300 --> 04:48.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION AND OUR 04:48.833 --> 04:50.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% DUTY WAS TO JUDGE THE 04:50.166 --> 04:51.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% QUALIFICATIONS OF THESE TWO TO 04:51.600 --> 04:52.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% SERVE AND LET'S UNDER SCORE THE 04:52.733 --> 04:54.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% POINT THAT THAT IS A WIDE OPEN 04:54.933 --> 04:56.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% AREA FOR THE LEGISLATURE, THEY 04:56.833 --> 04:58.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% CAN KICK YOU OUT FOR NOT PUTTING 04:58.300 --> 04:59.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% THE TOILET SEAT DOWN. 04:59.966 --> 05:01.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> POLITICAL DECISION, I MEAN 05:01.200 --> 05:03.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THAT IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO 05:03.200 --> 05:06.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% AND COURSER CALLED IT A KANGAROO 05:06.633 --> 05:08.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% COURT AND FOR INTENTS AND 05:08.033 --> 05:09.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% PURPOSES IT'S THEIR KANGAROO 05:09.700 --> 05:11.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% COURT AND THEY CAN DO AS THEY 05:11.000 --> 05:12.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% SEE FIT AND CAN KICK YOU OUT FOR 05:12.666 --> 05:15.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% ANYTHING AND THIS STORY AND CASE 05:15.600 --> 05:18.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% KIND OF PROVED IT, BASICALLY IF 05:18.300 --> 05:18.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% YOU EMBARRASS THE HOUSE 05:18.866 --> 05:19.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% REPRESENTATIVES WHICH IS WHAT 05:19.733 --> 05:21.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% TODD COURSER WAS DOING 05:21.133 --> 05:22.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% ESSENTIALLY PUBLICALLY IN ALL 05:22.333 --> 05:25.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% THE HOOP LA THAT HE SET OFF 05:25.166 --> 05:27.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% BETWEEN THE E-MAIL AND THEN, YOU 05:27.933 --> 05:30.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% KNOW, CLAIMS OF EXTORTION AND 05:30.700 --> 05:33.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% BLACKMAIL AND ALL SORTS OF OTHER 05:33.066 --> 05:34.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THINGS THEY DECIDED THAT, YOU 05:34.933 --> 05:36.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% KNOW, AS IN WORDS OF 05:36.433 --> 05:39.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% REPRESENTATIVE LAGREW THE CIRCUS 05:39.033 --> 05:40.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% HAS TO GO AND THEY DECIDED TO 05:40.500 --> 05:43.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% SWEEP HIM OUT OF OFFICE AND THEN 05:43.600 --> 05:46.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% FROM THERE THEY RECOMMENDED AND 05:46.266 --> 05:47.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% WANTED AN INVESTIGATION, WAS 05:47.866 --> 05:49.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% PART OF A DEAL TO GET THE 05:49.133 --> 05:51.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% DEMOCRATS TO VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE 05:51.233 --> 05:52.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% THE DEMOCRATS WERE WITHHOLDING 05:52.000 --> 05:53.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% THEIR VOTES OVER THIS WHOLE 05:53.400 --> 05:53.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:15% THING. 05:53.800 --> 05:54.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% >> DEMOCRATS WANTED THE 05:54.733 --> 05:55.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:35% INVESTIGATION. 05:55.266 --> 05:57.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% >> TURNING INTO A VERY BIG 05:57.033 --> 05:58.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% EMBARRASSMENT FOR SPEAKER COTTER 05:58.400 --> 05:59.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% ON THE NIGHT OF SEPTEMBER 10TH 05:59.833 --> 06:01.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% INTO THE EARLY MORNING HOURS OF 06:01.200 --> 06:03.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% SEPTEMBER 11TH SO THEY CUT THIS 06:03.200 --> 06:04.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% DEAL AND THEY GOT THIS 06:04.066 --> 06:05.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% RESOLUTION CALLING FOR THE STATE 06:05.133 --> 06:07.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% POLICE INVESTIGATION, THAT LED 06:07.033 --> 06:08.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% TO THESE CHARGES. 06:08.000 --> 06:09.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> IT'S KIND OF A TOUGH ENDING I 06:09.366 --> 06:11.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THINK FOR GAMRAT THAT KIND OF 06:11.866 --> 06:13.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% ACCUMULATED OVER TIME AS FOLKS 06:13.300 --> 06:15.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% HAD BEEN ALLUDING TO HERE IS 06:15.200 --> 06:16.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THEY KIND OF CAME INTO OFFICE 06:16.700 --> 06:19.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% WITHOUT FRIENDS AND THEY WEREN'T 06:19.200 --> 06:21.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% -- THEY DIDN'T PLAY BALL AT ALL, 06:21.133 --> 06:22.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% NEITHER OF THEM PLAYED BALL AND 06:22.766 --> 06:24.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% WERE OPERATING AS THEIR OWN 06:24.700 --> 06:26.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5% ENTITIES ALL ALONG. 06:26.100 --> 06:27.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ACCUSATIONS 06:27.366 --> 06:29.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% ON CINDY GAMRAT REMEMBER THAT 06:29.400 --> 06:30.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% SHE WAS LEAKING STUFF OUT OF 06:30.966 --> 06:33.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% CAUCUS, SHE WAS KICKED OUT OF 06:33.066 --> 06:34.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% CAUCUS FOR A SPELL THERE IF YOU 06:34.466 --> 06:35.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% REMEMBER RIGHT AND COURSER WAS 06:35.866 --> 06:37.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% ON THE DOORSTEP, THEY PROBABLY 06:37.633 --> 06:39.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% WOULD HAVE DONE THAT TOO IF HE 06:39.233 --> 06:42.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% WAS ON THE APPROPS COMMITTEE. 06:42.433 --> 06:45.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THESE FOLKS ALL ALONG HAD NOT 06:45.033 --> 06:47.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% INGRATIATED THEMSELVES AND WHEN 06:47.433 --> 06:48.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% THE STORY CAME OUT ABOUT THEIR 06:48.866 --> 06:50.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% AFFAIR I THINK IT GAVE THE 06:50.366 --> 06:53.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% LEGISLATURE A REASON TO BOOT 06:53.033 --> 06:57.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THEM AND BILL SHUTE A REASON TO 06:57.466 --> 06:57.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20% PILE ON. 06:57.933 --> 06:59.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> WHAT DID SPEAKER COTTER KNOW 06:59.866 --> 07:00.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% AND WHEN? 07:00.433 --> 07:02.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> AND CONTINUE TO PLAY OUT, 07:02.000 --> 07:04.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THERE ARE TWO CIVIL CASES ONE 07:04.133 --> 07:05.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% AGAINST THE HOUSE 07:05.033 --> 07:06.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% REPRESENTATIVES FOR IMPROPER 07:06.666 --> 07:08.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% FIRING ALLEGATION FROM THE 07:08.000 --> 07:10.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% FORMER AIDS AND THE FORMER AIDS 07:10.966 --> 07:15.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% ARE SUING TODD COURSER AND CINDY 07:15.266 --> 07:16.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% GAMRAT SEPARATELY IN COURT. 07:16.666 --> 07:18.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> THE LAWYER YOU HAD ON THE 07:18.833 --> 07:21.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% SHOW GOSH WHEN WAS IT LATE LAST 07:21.100 --> 07:21.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% YEAR. 07:21.466 --> 07:22.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> THE ATTORNEY WE WILL BRING IN 07:22.700 --> 07:24.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% HERE SHORTLY SAID WE WANT 07:24.966 --> 07:28.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% MR. COTTER ON THE STAND BECAUSE 07:28.300 --> 07:30.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% WE WANT TO ASK HIM QUESTIONS. 07:30.800 --> 07:33.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% AND THEY ARE BACK HOME IN THE 07:33.466 --> 07:35.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% DISTRICT WORKING BUT LET'S TAKE 07:35.066 --> 07:37.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% A LOOK AT THE STORY, OKAY? 07:37.000 --> 07:38.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% MICHIGAN LAWMAKERS ARE NOT IN 07:38.400 --> 07:40.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% TOWN THIS WEEK NOR WILL THEY BE 07:40.400 --> 07:41.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% IN TOWN THE REST OF THE SUMMER 07:41.900 --> 07:43.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% AND RETURN ON SEPTEMBER THE 7TH. 07:43.966 --> 07:45.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% HERE IS THE SCHEDULE FOR THE 07:45.200 --> 07:46.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% MICHIGAN HOUSE, RIGHT NOW THEY 07:46.133 --> 07:47.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% WILL BE HOME FOR 23 DAYS, 07:47.900 --> 07:49.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% RETURNING HERE ON JULY 13. 07:49.733 --> 07:51.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THEN BACK HOME FOR ANOTHER 14 07:51.566 --> 07:53.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% DAYS, RETURNING HERE AUGUST 3 07:53.833 --> 07:56.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% AND BACK HOME AGAIN FOR 24 DAYS. 07:56.166 --> 07:58.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% HOUSE MEMBERS ARE SLATED TO BE 07:58.133 --> 08:00.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% IN TOWN IN SEPTEMBER FOR 8 DAYS 08:00.466 --> 08:02.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% AND ONE DAY IN OCTOBER. 08:02.333 --> 08:03.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% REMEMBER HOUSE MEMBERS ARE 08:03.700 --> 08:04.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% RUNNING FOR REELECTION. 08:04.833 --> 08:06.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THE FORMER REPUBLICAN SPEAKER OF 08:06.166 --> 08:07.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% THE HOUSE ON THAT ISSUE. 08:07.933 --> 08:14.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> IT APPEARS TO THE AVERAGE 08:14.766 --> 08:16.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% OBSERVER IS MORE IMPORTANT. 08:16.266 --> 08:17.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> RUNNING FOR REELECTION IS 08:17.300 --> 08:18.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% IMPORTANT, LET'S MAKE SURE WE 08:18.500 --> 08:20.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% UNDERSTAND THAT BUT ALSO WHEN 08:20.833 --> 08:22.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THEY ARE NOT HERE THEY ARE GOING 08:22.266 --> 08:23.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:27.5% TO BE HOME. 08:23.400 --> 08:27.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% IT DOES MAKE IT HARDER FOR THE 08:27.466 --> 08:28.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% AVERAGE PERSON TO SAY WE HAVE A 08:28.766 --> 08:30.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% FULL TIME LEGISLATURE AND THEY 08:30.233 --> 08:32.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% OUGHT TO SERVE FULL TIME. 08:32.033 --> 08:34.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% >> SENATORS NOT RUNNING FOR 08:34.500 --> 08:36.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% REELECTION BUT BETWEEN NOW AND 08:36.233 --> 08:37.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% LABOR DAY THEY WILL HAVE TWO 08:37.366 --> 08:38.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% SESSION DAYS AND THE REST OF 08:38.866 --> 08:40.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% TIME FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR 5 08:40.600 --> 08:42.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% SEVEN DAYS, THEY CLAIM THEY BE 08:42.466 --> 08:45.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% IN THE DISTRICT WORKING. 08:45.233 --> 08:46.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% YOU ARE DOING THE PEOPLE'S 08:46.300 --> 08:47.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% BUSINESS? 08:47.233 --> 08:48.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> I WOULD SAY YOU ARE AND IT 08:48.933 --> 08:50.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% MAY NOT BE HERE PASSING 08:50.400 --> 08:51.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% LEGISLATION OR DEALING WITH 08:51.500 --> 08:53.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% STATE ISSUES BUT YOU ARE BACK 08:53.133 --> 08:55.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% HOPEFULLY DOING CONSTITUENT 08:55.033 --> 08:55.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% WORK. 08:55.533 --> 08:56.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> IN THE LAME DUCK SESSION THE 08:56.900 --> 08:58.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% HOUSE WILL HAVE 11 SESSION DAYS 08:58.733 --> 09:00.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% AND THE SENATE IS SCHEDULED FOR 09:00.333 --> 09:00.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:15% EIGHT. 09:00.966 --> 09:02.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% MAYBE AN ADDITIONAL SIX ON TOP 09:02.800 --> 09:03.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20% OF THAT. 09:03.466 --> 09:05.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% SO WHEN YOU ADD IT ALL UP THERE 09:05.366 --> 09:08.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% ARE 195 DAYS LEFT IN THIS YEAR, 09:08.266 --> 09:10.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% IN THE LEGISLATURE IT'S SLATED 09:10.500 --> 09:13.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% TO SPEND 20 DAYS IN TOWN OR 10% 09:13.666 --> 09:16.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30% OF THE TIME. 09:16.666 --> 09:18.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> NICE WORK IF YOU CAN GET IT. 09:18.966 --> 09:20.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> WHAT ARE THE ODDS FOR THE 09:20.766 --> 09:22.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% PERSON SITTING AT HOME? 09:22.433 --> 09:24.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> THEY ARE NOT VERY GOOD, ARE 09:24.166 --> 09:24.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% THEY? 09:24.433 --> 09:24.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% >> DO YOU THINK. 09:24.866 --> 09:26.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% HERE IS THE LEGISLATURE. 09:26.833 --> 09:28.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> 5 SEVEN DAY FIGURE WAS WRONG 09:28.500 --> 09:30.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% IN THAT JUST TO CLARIFY THAT. 09:30.100 --> 09:31.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS 09:31.500 --> 09:33.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:45% BASICALLY 80 DAYS. 09:33.633 --> 09:34.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5% >> THE ENTIRE YEAR. 09:34.866 --> 09:36.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> 80 DAYS THE ENTIRE YEAR THEY 09:36.500 --> 09:38.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% HAVE BEEN IN SESSION AND WE HAVE 09:38.033 --> 09:39.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% LOOKED AT THIS AND THIS IS THE 09:39.533 --> 09:41.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% LEAST NUMBER OF DAYS SINCE 2002 09:41.400 --> 09:42.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% WHICH IS RICK JOHNSON WHEN HE 09:42.633 --> 09:45.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% WAS SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE SLATED 09:45.100 --> 09:48.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% 78 SO 80 DAYS THEY ARE IN 09:48.200 --> 09:48.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20% SESSION. 09:48.500 --> 09:51.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% NOW IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT 80 09:51.133 --> 09:52.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% DAYS I THINK IT REALLY COMES 09:52.566 --> 09:55.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% DOWN TO THE LEGISLATOR HIM OR 09:55.566 --> 09:56.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% HERSELF AND HOW ACTIVE THEY WANT 09:56.800 --> 09:58.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% TO BE BACK IN THEIR DISTRICT 09:58.366 --> 10:00.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% BECAUSE THEY CAN BE VERY ACTIVE, 10:00.300 --> 10:01.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% SOME OF THEM ARE -- TAKE THEIR 10:01.966 --> 10:03.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% JOB VERY SERIOUSLY AND THERE IS 10:03.966 --> 10:05.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR GOING 10:05.866 --> 10:07.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% DOOR TO DOOR AND MEETING YOUR 10:07.566 --> 10:08.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% CONSTITUENTS AND IT'S 10:08.833 --> 10:10.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% CAMPAIGNING BUT GETTING FEEDBACK 10:10.100 --> 10:11.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% ON WHAT THEY ARE THINKING SO I 10:11.433 --> 10:13.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% DO GIVE THEM THAT BUT THERE ARE 10:13.300 --> 10:19.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% SOME LEGISLATURES WHO TAKE THIS 10:19.000 --> 10:21.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% AS BLOW OFF TIME AND 10:21.500 --> 10:22.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% CONSTITUENTS SAY IS THE PERSON 10:22.966 --> 10:24.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% REPRESENTING YOU ACTUALLY 10:24.200 --> 10:25.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% GETTING IN TOUCH WITH THE 10:25.933 --> 10:26.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% CONSTITUENTS OR ARE THEY BLOWING 10:26.933 --> 10:27.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% THIS OFF. 10:27.966 --> 10:30.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> HOLDING COFFEE HOURS AT LOCAL 10:30.133 --> 10:32.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% COFFEE SHOPS, DINERS AND THINGS 10:32.200 --> 10:33.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% LIKE THAT BUT I THINK YOUR POINT 10:33.400 --> 10:34.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% IS EXACTLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, 10:34.933 --> 10:36.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% WE ARE ALSO IN A MINORITY OF 10:36.600 --> 10:39.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% STATES THAT HAS FULL-TIME 10:39.266 --> 10:41.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% LEGISLATURES AND YES IT DOESN'T 10:41.433 --> 10:42.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% LOOK GOOD. 10:42.033 --> 10:44.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THE TOP AND SOUND BITE THAT 8 10:44.333 --> 10:45.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% SECOND UNDERSTANDING AMONG 10:45.866 --> 10:47.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% VOTERS IS EXCUSE ME I HAVE TO GO 10:47.166 --> 10:49.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% TO WORK 9:00-5:00 MONDAY THROUGH 10:49.533 --> 10:52.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% FRIDAY, MAYBE LUCKY IF I HAVE A 10:52.600 --> 10:54.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% COUPLE SICK DAYS AND VACATION 10:54.166 --> 10:55.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% DAYS, WE ARE NOT FRANCE AND 10:55.566 --> 10:59.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% DON'T GET ALL OF AUGUST OFF OR 10:59.166 --> 11:01.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% WORK A THREE-DAY WORKWEEK AND IT 11:01.266 --> 11:04.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% MAKES SOME VOTERS ON THE SURFACE 11:04.300 --> 11:05.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% ANGRY ABOUT IT ABSOLUTELY. 11:05.966 --> 11:07.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> SOME PEOPLE LOOK AT THIS AND 11:07.033 --> 11:08.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% SAY DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS IS A 11:08.100 --> 11:09.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% GOOD THING, THE FEWER DAYS 11:09.733 --> 11:10.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% DURING OFFICE THE LESS DAMAGE 11:10.833 --> 11:12.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30% THEY CAN DO. 11:12.333 --> 11:13.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:35% >> ABSOLUTELY. 11:13.700 --> 11:15.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> LEGISLATURE IS IN SESSION AND 11:15.200 --> 11:18.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% THE PERSON'S GOODS ARE SAFE. 11:18.133 --> 11:20.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> MARK TWAIN NO MAN'S LIFE, 11:20.000 --> 11:21.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% LIBERTY OR PROPERTY IS SAFE 11:21.400 --> 11:22.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% WHILE THE LEGISLATURE IS IN 11:22.733 --> 11:24.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% SESSION AND THAT APPLIES A LOT 11:24.266 --> 11:28.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% OF PEOPLE'S MINDSET AND ALSO THE 11:28.366 --> 11:29.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% OTHER SIDE OF THIS IS IF YOU 11:29.866 --> 11:31.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% LOOK AT WHAT PRESSING ISSUES ARE 11:31.600 --> 11:33.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% OUT THERE THEY ARE NOT 11:33.366 --> 11:34.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:27.5% ADDRESSING? 11:34.366 --> 11:35.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING 11:35.166 --> 11:36.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% ABOUT MY AUTO INSURANCE RATES 11:36.866 --> 11:38.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% AND NOT DOING MUCH ABOUT THE 11:38.833 --> 11:40.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% ROADS EVEN THOUGH THEY SAID THEY 11:40.233 --> 11:41.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% DID SOMETHING ABOUT THE ROADS 11:41.300 --> 11:43.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% AND THERE ARE A WHOLE LOT OF 11:43.033 --> 11:45.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% OTHER ISSUES EDUCATION REFORM 11:45.266 --> 11:46.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% AND FUNDING REFORM BUT THOSE ARE 11:46.966 --> 11:50.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% TOPICS NOT GETTING TACKLED 11:50.166 --> 11:52.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER OR EVEN 11:52.066 --> 11:54.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% IN THE LAME DUCK SESSION. 11:54.033 --> 11:56.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> THE FULL-TIME LEGISLATURE WAS 11:56.366 --> 11:57.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% CREATED SO THIS WOULD BE AN 11:57.566 --> 11:59.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% EQUAL BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT UNDER 11:59.333 --> 12:00.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% A PART TIME LEGISLATURE THE 12:00.900 --> 12:02.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% EXECUTIVE BASICALLY RUNS ROUGH 12:02.933 --> 12:06.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% SHOT OVER EVERYBODY IS THE 12:06.233 --> 12:07.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% ALLEGATION SO WHEN RYAN CREATED 12:07.700 --> 12:09.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THE LEGISLATURE GOING BACK IN 12:09.900 --> 12:11.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% THE 70S THIS IS HOW THIS ALL 12:11.800 --> 12:12.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:27.5% CAME ABOUT. 12:12.166 --> 12:13.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% THE PROBLEM FOR US AS 12:13.166 --> 12:15.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% JOURNALISTS IS WE CAN'T KEEP 12:15.166 --> 12:19.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% TAPS ON THE 109 MEMBERS OF THE 12:19.566 --> 12:21.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% HOUSE OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING 12:21.200 --> 12:22.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% BACK HOME, HAVE YOU TRIED TO DO 12:22.333 --> 12:22.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% THAT? 12:22.833 --> 12:23.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% YOU CAN'T. 12:23.833 --> 12:24.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> WOULDN'T THAT BE INTERESTING, 12:24.533 --> 12:26.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% THAT IF THE MEDIA SENT OUT 12:26.833 --> 12:28.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% SOMETHING TO EACH LAWMAKER THAT 12:28.433 --> 12:30.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% SAID HEY FILL US IN ON WHAT YOUR 12:30.300 --> 12:31.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% DAYS LOOK LIKE OVER THE SUMMER 12:31.533 --> 12:33.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% >> WHAT WOULD THEY DO? 12:33.066 --> 12:34.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% GET LOST IN THE MAIL. 12:34.333 --> 12:35.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% >> I MISSED THAT. 12:35.200 --> 12:35.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% I FORGOT. 12:35.966 --> 12:37.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% I DIDN'T GET THAT E-MAIL. 12:37.333 --> 12:39.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> BUT IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD BUT 12:39.566 --> 12:40.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% YOU HAVE TO GET THE BENEFIT OF 12:40.966 --> 12:42.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% THE DOUBT MINUS ANY EVIDENCE 12:42.800 --> 12:44.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THEY ARE BACK HOME JUST PLAYING 12:44.833 --> 12:46.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% GOLF OR GOOFING AROUND OR 12:46.566 --> 12:46.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% WHATEVER. 12:46.900 --> 12:51.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> IT'S UP TO THE CONSTITUENTS 12:51.033 --> 12:52.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% DOING THEIR WORK AND ARE THEY 12:52.333 --> 12:52.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% CONNECTED. 12:52.666 --> 12:54.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> LET'S CALL IN THE COUNSELOR 12:54.100 --> 12:54.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:45% AND TALK ABOUT THE 12:54.800 --> 12:57.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% COURSER-GAMRAT CASE, ALL RIGHT? 12:57.000 --> 12:58.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% ATTORNEY MATTHEW DEPERNO 12:58.733 --> 12:59.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% GRADUATED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF 12:59.800 --> 13:02.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% MICHIGAN IN 1991 AND LAW DEGREE 13:02.866 --> 13:04.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% WORK AT THE NEW YORK UNIVERSITY 13:04.400 --> 13:07.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% SCHOOL OF LAW AND DETROIT MERCY 13:07.333 --> 13:08.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% SCHOOL OF LAW AND REPRESENTING 13:08.866 --> 13:10.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% FORMER REPRESENTATIVE TODD 13:10.666 --> 13:11.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% COURSER IN A CASE THAT IS GOING 13:11.833 --> 13:12.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% INTO THE CIRCUIT COURT. 13:12.800 --> 13:14.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% HIS LAW PRACTICE IS IN THE 13:14.766 --> 13:16.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:37.5% KALAMAZOO AREA. 13:16.466 --> 13:18.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM AND GOOD 13:18.066 --> 13:18.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% TO SEE YOU AGAIN. 13:18.533 --> 13:19.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5% >> GOOD TO SEE YOU. 13:19.500 --> 13:21.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% >> CHAD HAS FIRST TOSS UP. 13:21.433 --> 13:23.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> MR. DEPERNO TELL US ABOUT THE 13:23.866 --> 13:24.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% TWO CHARGES THAT REMAIN AGAINST 13:24.733 --> 13:28.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% YOUR CLIENT AND HOW YOU PLAN TO 13:28.066 --> 13:30.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% DEFEND HIM AND TRY TO GET YOUR 13:30.366 --> 13:31.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% CLIENT ACQUITTED? 13:31.833 --> 13:33.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> WELL, THERE IS TWO CHARGES. 13:33.433 --> 13:37.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% ONE IS A CHARGE FOR PERJURY 13:37.500 --> 13:40.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% RELATED TO A STATEMENT THAT TODD 13:40.800 --> 13:43.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% COURSER MADE DURING THE HOUSE 13:43.800 --> 13:45.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% COMMITTEE, HOUSE SELECT 13:45.400 --> 13:46.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% COMMITTEE SESSION WHERE HE 13:46.900 --> 13:48.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% STATED THAT HE ASKED HIS CHIEF 13:48.666 --> 13:51.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% OF STAFF TO CHECK WITH THE HOME 13:51.666 --> 13:54.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% BUSINESS OFFICE AS TO WHETHER HE 13:54.433 --> 13:56.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% COULD DELEGATE SOMEONE TO SIGN 13:56.966 --> 13:58.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% HIS NAME ON A BLUE BACK. 13:58.733 --> 14:01.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THE OTHER CHARGE IS A CHARGE OF 14:01.133 --> 14:05.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% MISCONDUCT FOR ASKING A STAFF 14:05.266 --> 14:07.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% MEMBER TO SIGN HIS NAME ON A 14:07.000 --> 14:08.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% BLUE BACK. 14:08.166 --> 14:09.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% THOSE ARE THE TWO CHARGES. 14:09.533 --> 14:11.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO 14:11.366 --> 14:14.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% PARS OUT THAT FIRST CHARGE OF 14:14.833 --> 14:15.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20% PERJURY. 14:15.366 --> 14:17.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% THERE HAD BEEN A LOT OF 14:17.033 --> 14:18.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% STATEMENTS IN THE MEDIA THAT HE 14:18.200 --> 14:20.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% TALKED TO HIS STAFF ABOUT DOING 14:20.133 --> 14:21.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% THAT. 14:21.100 --> 14:22.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% AND THAT'S NOT THE STATEMENT 14:22.333 --> 14:24.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THAT HE MADE TO THE HOUSE SELECT 14:24.200 --> 14:24.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% COMMITTEE. 14:24.633 --> 14:26.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% HIS STATEMENT WAS THAT HE ASKED 14:26.133 --> 14:28.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% HIS CHIEF OF STAFF, HIS CHIEF OF 14:28.900 --> 14:33.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% STAFF BEING KEITH ALLARD, NOT 14:33.966 --> 14:35.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% KLINE OR GRAHAM AND I THINK THAT 14:35.866 --> 14:38.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED IN THE 14:38.833 --> 14:40.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% JUDGE'S RULING ALSO THIS WEEK. 14:40.633 --> 14:42.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> DO YOU THINK THE REPUBLICANS 14:42.066 --> 14:43.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% WERE SIMPLY OUT TO GET YOUR 14:43.033 --> 14:43.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:17.5% CLIENT? 14:43.566 --> 14:44.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% >> I THINK THEY WERE. 14:44.800 --> 14:46.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% I THINK THIS WAS AN ISSUE THAT 14:46.366 --> 14:48.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% WE SEE NOW EVEN IN NATIONAL 14:48.866 --> 14:51.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% POLITICS, THE ISSUE OF 14:51.200 --> 14:52.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS 14:52.633 --> 14:54.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% COMPARED TO WHAT MANY PEOPLE 14:54.333 --> 14:59.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% LABEL AS THE MAINSTREAM 14:59.733 --> 15:02.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% REPUBLICANS OR ESTABLISHMENT 15:02.266 --> 15:03.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% REPUBLICANS AND I THINK AS YOU 15:03.666 --> 15:04.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% GUYS TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE 15:04.900 --> 15:06.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% EARLIER THEY CAME IN TO THE 15:06.566 --> 15:08.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% LEGISLATURE WITHOUT ANY FRIENDS 15:08.366 --> 15:10.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% AND THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO 15:10.400 --> 15:11.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5% MAKE FRIENDS. 15:11.800 --> 15:13.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% THEY CAME IN WITH AN AGENDA, 15:13.666 --> 15:15.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THEY FELT LIKE THEY WERE ELECTED 15:15.600 --> 15:17.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% WITH THAT AGENDA AND THEY 15:17.300 --> 15:19.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% ACTUALLY TRIED TO STICK TO THAT, 15:19.366 --> 15:20.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THEY CAME IN AND SAID THIS IS 15:20.933 --> 15:22.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% WHAT WE RAN ON, THIS WAS OUR 15:22.466 --> 15:23.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% PLATFORM AND THIS IS WHAT THE 15:23.333 --> 15:25.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% PEOPLE VOTED US IN FOR AND THEY 15:25.300 --> 15:27.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5% CAME IN TO DO THAT. 15:27.000 --> 15:31.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THEY WERE QUICKLY, VERY QUICKLY 15:31.300 --> 15:35.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% CONJOLED TO SORT OF TO COME 15:35.300 --> 15:37.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% ALONG, YOU GOT TO GO ALONG TO 15:37.233 --> 15:39.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% GET ALONG IS WHAT HAPPENED TO 15:39.633 --> 15:39.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% THEM. 15:39.900 --> 15:41.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THEY DIDN'T BUY INTO THAT AND 15:41.100 --> 15:42.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THEY RAN INTO A LOT OF PROBLEMS. 15:42.966 --> 15:44.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> BUT IN COURSER'S CASE HERE HE 15:44.933 --> 15:47.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% DID TELL THE SELECT COMMITTEE, 15:47.966 --> 15:48.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% INSTRUCTED HIS CHIEF OF STAFF 15:48.633 --> 15:50.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% BUT HIS CHIEF OF STAFF SAID, NO, 15:50.433 --> 15:51.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% HE DIDN'T. 15:51.600 --> 15:52.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% >> RIGHT, THAT IS THE 15:52.466 --> 15:53.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:27.5% ALLEGATION. 15:53.933 --> 15:57.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> BUT SO I MEAN HE DID PERJURER 15:57.566 --> 15:58.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% HIMSELF THOUGH ON THE STAND, 15:58.866 --> 15:59.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% DIDN'T HE? 15:59.800 --> 16:01.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% >> NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. 16:01.066 --> 16:02.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% I DON'T SEE HOW HE DID THAT. 16:02.300 --> 16:05.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% ONE OF THE ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS OF 16:05.166 --> 16:07.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% PERJURY IS YOU HAVE TO KNOWINGLY 16:07.033 --> 16:08.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% MAKE A FALSE STATEMENT AND WHAT 16:08.833 --> 16:10.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% HIS STATEMENT WAS WAS I ASKED MY 16:10.900 --> 16:12.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% CHIEF OF STAFF TO CHECK WITH THE 16:12.400 --> 16:14.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% HOME BUSINESS OFFICE, THAT'S 16:14.700 --> 16:17.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% TODD COURSER'S STATEMENT, KEEL 16:17.966 --> 16:20.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% ALLARD SAYS HE DIDN'T TELL ME TO 16:20.100 --> 16:22.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% DO THAT SO THAT IS ONE ELEMENT 16:22.000 --> 16:23.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% OF PERJURY IS A LIE. 16:23.833 --> 16:25.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% THE SECOND IS IT HAS TO BE 16:25.933 --> 16:28.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% WILLFUL, IT HAS TO BE A KNOWING 16:28.000 --> 16:30.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% LIE, DID TODD COURSER KNOWINGLY 16:30.866 --> 16:32.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% LIE OR WAS THAT JUST A STATEMENT 16:32.266 --> 16:34.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% FROM HIS BELIEF, SOMETHING HE 16:34.533 --> 16:35.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20% RECALLS? 16:35.933 --> 16:37.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE AT ALL PUT 16:37.766 --> 16:39.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% FORWARD AT THE PRELIMINARY EXAM 16:39.633 --> 16:42.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% THAT HE KNOWINGLY LIED. 16:42.200 --> 16:45.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% IT'S NONEXISTENT IN THE RECORD. 16:45.133 --> 16:46.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> A LOT OF THIS CASE SEEMS TO 16:46.633 --> 16:47.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% BE BUILT UPON AND ALSO THE 16:47.833 --> 16:52.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% HOUSE'S EXPULSION PROCEEDINGS 16:52.000 --> 16:53.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% THE IDEA THAT TODD COURSER AND 16:53.833 --> 16:56.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% CINDY GAMRAT WERE VERY CAVALIER 16:56.733 --> 16:58.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% TO THE RULES AND COURSER WAS 16:58.466 --> 16:59.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% QUOTED IN AN E-MAIL I DON'T CARE 16:59.800 --> 17:01.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% HOW A BILL IS FORMED, THAT IS 17:01.366 --> 17:04.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% NOT MY ROLE OR MY JOB AND THERE 17:04.300 --> 17:06.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% IS THIS GENERAL ARGUMENT THAT 17:06.866 --> 17:08.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% THEY DIDN'T SEEM TO WANT TO 17:08.200 --> 17:10.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% LEARN HOW THE PROCESS WORKS AND 17:10.900 --> 17:13.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% SO LIKE IN THIS EXAMPLE HERE 17:13.066 --> 17:15.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% WHERE THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT 17:15.200 --> 17:16.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% WHETHER HE EVEN KNEW WHETHER HE 17:16.700 --> 17:18.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% COULD HAVE SOMEONE SIGN HIS NAME 17:18.166 --> 17:21.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% OR NOT, HE JUST DIDN'T TAKE TIME 17:21.133 --> 17:21.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:27.5% TO DO THAT. 17:21.933 --> 17:23.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% IS HE GUILTY OF NEGLIGENCE, OF 17:23.966 --> 17:26.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5% HIS JOB HERE? 17:26.633 --> 17:28.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% >> WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY SO. 17:28.466 --> 17:30.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% I WOULD SAY, NO. 17:30.066 --> 17:32.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% I THINK THE APPROACH HE TOOK WAS 17:32.000 --> 17:33.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THAT HE ASKED HIS CHIEF OF STAFF 17:33.333 --> 17:35.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% TO HANDLE THOSE MATTERS. 17:35.366 --> 17:37.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% I THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT OUT 17:37.000 --> 17:39.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THROUGH -- IN THE FUTURE THROUGH 17:39.533 --> 17:41.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% TESTIMONY OR EVIDENCE. 17:41.833 --> 17:43.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THE SAME AS WHEN HE ASKED HIS 17:43.133 --> 17:45.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% CHIEF OF STAFF CAN SOMEONE ELSE 17:45.400 --> 17:47.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% SIGN ON HIS BEHALF, HE WAS 17:47.233 --> 17:49.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% INQUIRING AS TO WHETHER THAT 17:49.166 --> 17:50.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% COULD HAPPEN, THAT IS THE ROLE 17:50.400 --> 17:52.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% OF THE CHIEF OF STAFF IN HIS 17:52.133 --> 17:55.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% VIEW IN TODD COURSER'S VIEW SO 17:55.300 --> 17:57.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% HIS VIEW WOULD NOT BE IS HE 17:57.066 --> 17:59.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% REQUIRED TO KNOW EVERY RULE? 17:59.766 --> 18:01.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% I THINK WHAT WE ALSO FOUND IN 18:01.900 --> 18:05.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% THE PRELIMINARY EXAM GARY 18:05.900 --> 18:06.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% RANDALL AND HIS TESTIMONY WAS 18:06.800 --> 18:08.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW 18:08.166 --> 18:09.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5% WHAT THE RULES ARE. 18:09.833 --> 18:13.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> TODD COURSER A GOOD LAWMAKER? 18:13.966 --> 18:15.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO 18:15.166 --> 18:15.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% THAT. 18:15.433 --> 18:17.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU -- HOW YOU 18:17.233 --> 18:18.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% WOULD DEFINE WHAT A GOOD 18:18.566 --> 18:19.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30% LAWMAKER IS. 18:19.100 --> 18:20.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% >> I'M NOT ASKING FOR A 18:20.133 --> 18:21.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% DEFINITION, I'M JUST WONDERING 18:21.433 --> 18:23.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% WHAT YOU AS HIS LAWYER WOULD 18:23.600 --> 18:27.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% THINK IS HE A GOOD LAWMAKER? 18:27.066 --> 18:27.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> NO HOUSE MEMBER HAS A CHIEF 18:27.766 --> 18:29.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% OF STAFF, THESE TWO BELIEVE THEY 18:29.833 --> 18:31.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% HAD A CHIEF OF STAFF BECAUSE 18:31.100 --> 18:32.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% THEY COMBINED OFFICES IN A 18:32.866 --> 18:34.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% RARELY RARE ARRANGEMENT TO SHARE 18:34.900 --> 18:39.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% STAFF AND HAVE THIS DUAL TEAM 18:39.166 --> 18:41.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% BUT NO REP REALLY HAS A CHIEF OF 18:41.800 --> 18:44.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% STAFF AND NO REP REALLY RELIES 18:44.766 --> 18:48.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% UPON AN AIDE THAT MUCH, DO THEY? 18:48.566 --> 18:50.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> I THINK SOME OF THEM DO, YES. 18:50.200 --> 18:51.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% SOME OF THEM DO. 18:51.200 --> 18:52.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% BUT REMEMBER THIS WAS AN IDEA 18:52.700 --> 18:54.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TO THEM 18:54.266 --> 18:55.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:37.5% BY THEIR STAFF. 18:55.833 --> 18:58.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THIS IS THEIR STAFF THAT CAME UP 18:58.166 --> 18:59.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% WITH THE IDEA TO COMBINE THEIR 18:59.866 --> 19:01.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20% OFFICES. 19:01.233 --> 19:02.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> BUT IN THE TESTIMONY THEY 19:02.333 --> 19:04.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% SAID ULTIMATELY THEY FOUND IT 19:04.700 --> 19:06.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% WOULDN'T REALLY WORK BUT THEN 19:06.000 --> 19:07.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% COURSER AND GAMRAT PURSUED IT 19:07.466 --> 19:08.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:17.5% ANYWAY. 19:08.000 --> 19:09.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% >> AND I THINK COURSER AND 19:09.033 --> 19:11.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% GAMRAT REALIZED LATER ON THAT IT 19:11.166 --> 19:13.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% WASN'T A GOOD IDEA EITHER AND IT 19:13.466 --> 19:14.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30% DIDN'T WORK. 19:14.033 --> 19:15.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% HOW DO YOU THINK THE ATTORNEY 19:15.466 --> 19:19.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% GENERAL HAS HANDLED THIS CASE? 19:19.433 --> 19:24.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> DISGRACE I THINK IS THE WORD 19:24.466 --> 19:24.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30% I WOULD USE. 19:24.933 --> 19:26.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF 19:26.066 --> 19:28.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% THE MICHIGAN LEGISLATURE, NO 19:28.633 --> 19:30.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% LEGISLATURE HAS EVER BEEN KICKED 19:30.566 --> 19:32.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% OUT OF OFFICE, EXPELLED FROM 19:32.766 --> 19:33.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% OFFICE PRIOR TO ANY CRIMINAL 19:33.933 --> 19:35.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% CHARGE BEING BROUGHT, NEVER HAS 19:35.966 --> 19:36.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% HAPPENED. 19:36.666 --> 19:39.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% YET AT THE SAME TIME WE'VE GOT 19:39.433 --> 19:40.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% OTHER LEGISLATURES WHO ARE 19:40.800 --> 19:43.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% CONVICTED OF CRIMES NOT KICKED 19:43.500 --> 19:44.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:35% OUT OF OFFICE. 19:44.766 --> 19:45.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> BUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAD 19:45.766 --> 19:47.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT, THAT 19:47.000 --> 19:50.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% WAS THE LEGISLATURE SO HOW IS HE 19:50.266 --> 19:51.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30% DISGRACEFUL? 19:51.900 --> 19:53.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> HE BROUGHT THE CHARGES, WHY 19:53.300 --> 19:55.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% DID HE BRING THE CHARGES AND 19:55.100 --> 19:56.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION AND I 19:56.933 --> 19:57.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5% HAVE SOME THEORIES. 19:57.633 --> 19:58.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% >> WHAT IS THE BIG ONE? 19:58.800 --> 20:00.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> OUR BIG ONE IS WE HAD AT THAT 20:00.466 --> 20:01.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% TIME, THERE WAS A LAWSUIT FILED 20:01.433 --> 20:08.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% BY BEN GRAHAM AND KEITH ALLARD A 20:08.000 --> 20:09.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% WHISTLEBLOWER LAWSUIT FILED IN 20:09.500 --> 20:11.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% FEDERAL COURT AGAINST THE HOUSE 20:11.100 --> 20:13.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% OF REPRESENTATIVES AND A CIVIL 20:13.933 --> 20:15.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% LAWSUIT, THE SAME LAWSUIT IN 20:15.866 --> 20:18.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% CIRCUIT COURT IN INGHAM COUNTY. 20:18.466 --> 20:19.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THE FEDERAL LAWSUIT AGAINST THE 20:19.700 --> 20:21.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, THE 20:21.700 --> 20:24.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% STATE LAWSUIT AGAINST TODD AND 20:24.400 --> 20:26.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% CINDY COURSER, BOTH LAWSUITS 20:26.933 --> 20:28.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% ALLEGING A DIFFERENT THEORY, THE 20:28.033 --> 20:29.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% FEDERAL LAWSUIT ALLEGING THAT 20:29.233 --> 20:31.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WAS 20:31.766 --> 20:32.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:37.5% THEIR EMPLOYER. 20:32.833 --> 20:35.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THE STATE LAWSUIT ALLEGING THAT 20:35.833 --> 20:37.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% TODD AND CINDY WERE THEIR 20:37.133 --> 20:37.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% EMPLOYER. 20:37.466 --> 20:39.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% WE HAD FILED AN ANSWER TO THAT 20:39.533 --> 20:41.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% STATE LAWSUIT AND IN THAT ANSWER 20:41.800 --> 20:45.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% AND IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WE TALKED 20:45.533 --> 20:47.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% ABOUT THERE WERE CONSTITUTIONAL 20:47.866 --> 20:48.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% VIOLATIONS THAT OCCURRED WITH 20:48.533 --> 20:51.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THE EXPULSION OF CINDY GAMRAT 20:51.266 --> 20:54.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% AND FORCING TODD COURSER OUT OF 20:54.300 --> 20:55.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% HIS SEAT. 20:55.233 --> 20:56.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% SO THAT WAS ON THE RECORD. 20:56.300 --> 20:58.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% PEOPLE KNEW WHAT OUR THEORY WAS 20:58.866 --> 21:01.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% AND WHERE WE WERE GOING WITH 21:01.000 --> 21:01.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% THAT. 21:01.400 --> 21:03.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% AND RIGHT AFTER WE FILED THAT 21:03.400 --> 21:04.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% ANSWER THERE WERE THESE CHARGES 21:04.433 --> 21:05.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:37.5% THAT CAME DOWN. 21:05.900 --> 21:06.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% BECAUSE THEY KNEW OUR THEORY WAS 21:06.966 --> 21:08.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN EXPELLED 21:08.900 --> 21:10.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:17.5% BEFORE. 21:10.300 --> 21:12.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> ABOUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S 21:12.300 --> 21:13.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% BEHAVIOR, HE WOULD SAY HE IS 21:13.166 --> 21:14.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:35% DOING HIS JOB. 21:14.866 --> 21:17.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> AND WE'VE SEEN THAT AT THIS 21:17.000 --> 21:19.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% LOW STANDARD OF A PRELIMINARY 21:19.033 --> 21:20.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% EXAMINATION, THIS VERY LOW 21:20.800 --> 21:24.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% STANDARD, FOUR OF SIX CHARGES 21:24.533 --> 21:24.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30% DIDN'T PASS. 21:24.900 --> 21:28.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% BUT REMEMBER BILL SCHUTE GOT UP 21:28.533 --> 21:30.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% THERE AND STOOD BEHIND THE 21:30.300 --> 21:31.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% PODIUM AND MADE THE STATEMENT 21:31.266 --> 21:32.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% THESE CHARGES WILL STICK. 21:32.833 --> 21:33.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% BUT THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED 21:33.966 --> 21:35.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30% BEFORE THAT. 21:35.333 --> 21:37.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% HE HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE 21:37.266 --> 21:39.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% SCHEDULED THAT DAY AND HE WASN'T 21:39.233 --> 21:43.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% GETTING THE SIGN HE WANTED, IT 21:43.400 --> 21:44.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% TOOK TIME AND DIDN'T HAPPEN THE 21:44.966 --> 21:46.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% WAY HE WANTED IT TO. 21:46.133 --> 21:48.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% IF YOU HAVE EVER READ THAT 21:48.233 --> 21:50.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% TRANSCRIPT FROM THAT SHOW CAUSE 21:50.833 --> 21:52.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% HEARING, NOW THAT RIGHT THERE, 21:52.833 --> 21:56.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% THAT'S A GOAT RODEO. 21:56.900 --> 21:58.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% >> A WHAT RODEO? 21:58.833 --> 22:01.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% >> A GOAT RODEO THAT IS THE 22:01.433 --> 22:02.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% KANGAROO COURT HAPPENING RIGHT 22:02.766 --> 22:03.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% THERE IN TERMS OF HOW THAT 22:03.666 --> 22:05.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% WARRANT WAS EVER ISSUED. 22:05.766 --> 22:07.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% YOU HAVE THE PROCESS AND THE 22:07.566 --> 22:10.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% SWEAR TO IS THAT THE JUDGE SITS 22:10.366 --> 22:12.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THERE AND HAS THE POLICE COME IN 22:12.233 --> 22:13.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% AND THEY TESTIFY AS TO WHAT THE 22:13.733 --> 22:15.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% PROBABLE CAUSE WILL BE. THEY 22:15.366 --> 22:15.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:37.5% COULDN'T DO IT. 22:15.866 --> 22:18.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THEY WERE UNABLE TO CONVINCE THE 22:18.400 --> 22:21.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% JUDGE THAT THERE EXISTED 22:21.166 --> 22:22.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% PROBABLE CAUSE AND SHE TOLD THEM 22:22.933 --> 22:23.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:7.5% SO. 22:23.266 --> 22:25.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% THEN THEY BROUGHT IN SEVERAL 22:25.733 --> 22:28.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% ATTORNEY GENERALS TO ARGUE TO 22:28.500 --> 22:30.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% THE JUDGE, MAKE LEGAL ARGUMENT 22:30.266 --> 22:32.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% AS TO WHY THERE WAS PROBABLE 22:32.833 --> 22:34.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% CAUSE TO ISSUE THE WARRANT. 22:34.066 --> 22:36.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% SHE THEN RETIRED TO CHAMBERS 22:36.333 --> 22:38.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% WHERE SHE READ CASES, VERY 22:38.333 --> 22:39.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% DIFFICULT CASES TO READ AND 22:39.833 --> 22:42.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% UNDERSTAND AND CAME OUT SEVERAL 22:42.133 --> 22:43.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% MINUTES LATER AND ISSUED THE 22:43.800 --> 22:44.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20% WARRANT. 22:44.933 --> 22:46.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THAT'S WHAT THEN ALLOWED BILL 22:46.633 --> 22:48.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% SCHUTE TO GIVE HIS PRESS 22:48.933 --> 22:50.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% CONFERENCE WHERE HE SAID THOSE 22:50.133 --> 22:52.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% CHARGES WOULD STICK. 22:52.266 --> 22:53.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% >> TWO HOURS DELAYED. 22:53.333 --> 22:54.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% >> I THINK IT WAS, YES, TWO 22:54.766 --> 22:55.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:35% HOURS DELAYED. 22:55.933 --> 22:57.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% AS FAR AS TODD COURSER'S LIFE 22:57.866 --> 23:00.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% RIGHT NOW, HOW IS HE GETTING BY 23:00.233 --> 23:01.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% FINANCIALLY AND HOW IS HE PAYING 23:01.100 --> 23:02.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:45% FOR YOUR SERVICES? 23:02.100 --> 23:03.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> WELL HE IS DOING SOME LEGAL 23:03.600 --> 23:06.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% WORK AND HAS HIS LAW LICENSE AND 23:06.233 --> 23:07.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% HE IS STILL DOING THAT. 23:07.633 --> 23:08.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5% HE HAS GOT CLIENTS. 23:08.900 --> 23:10.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% HE IS DOING LEGAL WORK. 23:10.466 --> 23:12.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% SO HE CAN PAY YOUR BILLS ARE OR 23:12.533 --> 23:16.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% ARE YOU DOING THIS PROBONO? 23:16.100 --> 23:18.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> I'M NOT DOING THIS PRO-BONO 23:18.666 --> 23:20.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% BUT IT'S NOT A QUESTION I SHOULD 23:20.733 --> 23:22.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% ANSWER HOW HE IS PAYING THE 23:22.133 --> 23:22.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% BILL. 23:22.533 --> 23:24.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> ARE YOU GOING TO CHALLENGE 23:24.533 --> 23:25.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE 23:25.200 --> 23:26.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES SET THE 23:26.966 --> 23:29.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% STANDARDS FOR EXPULSION? 23:29.233 --> 23:30.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% >> THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE 23:30.700 --> 23:31.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% CONSIDERING AND WE ARE TALKING 23:31.533 --> 23:31.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:15% ABOUT. 23:31.866 --> 23:33.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% WE HAVE ALREADY FILED A NOTICE 23:33.266 --> 23:35.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% WITH THE COURT OF CLAIMS 23:35.033 --> 23:36.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% PRESERVING OUR RIGHT TO BRING 23:36.166 --> 23:36.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5% THAT LAWSUIT. 23:36.733 --> 23:37.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THAT WAS SOMETHING IN THE WORKS 23:37.933 --> 23:39.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 23:39.433 --> 23:40.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% BEFORE THE CRIMINAL CHARGES WERE 23:40.866 --> 23:41.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20% BROUGHT. 23:41.233 --> 23:44.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> THE POPULAR IS THE HOUSE CAN 23:44.133 --> 23:46.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% SET ITS OWN STANDARDS AND THE 23:46.100 --> 23:47.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% COURT, WHY ARE YOU GOING DOWN 23:47.900 --> 23:49.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% THAT ROAD? 23:49.133 --> 23:51.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% >> THERE ARE TWO ISSUE, ONE 23:51.033 --> 23:52.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% WHETHER THAT PROVISION OF THE 23:52.766 --> 23:54.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% CONSTITUTION IS CONSTITUTION. 23:54.000 --> 23:55.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% YOU DON'T THINK IT IS. 23:55.266 --> 23:56.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% >> I DONE THINK IT IS. 23:56.033 --> 23:57.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% >> NEVER BEEN CHALLENGED. 23:57.466 --> 23:58.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:45% >> IT'S TOO VAGUE. 23:58.033 --> 24:00.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% ALL IT SAYS IS THEY JUST HAVE TO 24:00.100 --> 24:01.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% HAVE A MAJORITY OF THE HOUSE OF 24:01.700 --> 24:03.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% REPRESENTATIVE TO KICK SOMEONE 24:03.000 --> 24:03.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:10% OUT. 24:03.300 --> 24:05.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THAT MEANS THEY CAN KICK SOMEONE 24:05.833 --> 24:07.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% OUT FOR ANY REASON, IT CAN BE 24:07.566 --> 24:09.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% RACE, SEX, ANYTHING, THEY DON'T 24:09.533 --> 24:11.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% LIKE SOMEONE THEY CAN GET RID OF 24:11.066 --> 24:13.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% HIM AND IN THIS CASE THEY DIDN'T 24:13.000 --> 24:16.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% LIKE TODD AND CINDY AND GOT RID 24:16.000 --> 24:16.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20% OF THEM. 24:16.433 --> 24:18.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% THE SECOND QUESTION IS THE 24:18.400 --> 24:19.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% CONSTITUTIONALITY HOW THAT WAS 24:19.700 --> 24:21.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% APPLIED IN THIS CASE, DID THEY 24:21.200 --> 24:23.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% FILE PROPER PROCEDURE IN 24:23.766 --> 24:25.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% REMOVING THEM FROM THE HOUSE? 24:25.466 --> 24:27.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% DID THEY FOLLOW THE PROPER 24:27.066 --> 24:28.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENTS IN 24:28.333 --> 24:29.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5% THAT RESPECT? 24:29.266 --> 24:30.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% SO THOSE ARE TWO ISSUES. 24:30.533 --> 24:33.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% BUT, AGAIN, THE REAL -- I THINK 24:33.700 --> 24:35.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% WHAT IS REAL IMPORTANT WAS THE 24:35.266 --> 24:36.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE HOUSE 24:36.433 --> 24:38.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% OF REPRESENTATIVES KNEW WE WERE 24:38.300 --> 24:39.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% GOING DOWN THAT ROAD BEFORE 24:39.800 --> 24:41.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% THOSE CHARGES WERE BROUGHT. 24:41.200 --> 24:43.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> ARE THE CHARGES AGAINST TODD 24:43.533 --> 24:45.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% COURSER SO FLIMSY THAT IF THEY 24:45.266 --> 24:47.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% GET TOSSED OUT IN CIRCUIT COURT 24:47.333 --> 24:49.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% YOU COULD GO AFTER THE ATTORNEY 24:49.866 --> 24:52.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% GENERAL FOR LEGAL FEES? 24:52.400 --> 24:53.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% >> THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. 24:53.300 --> 24:55.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% I DON'T THINK I WOULD WANT TO 24:55.233 --> 24:57.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% DISCUSS AT THIS TIME WHETHER 24:57.466 --> 24:58.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% THAT IS OUR THEORY OR NOT. 24:58.666 --> 25:00.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> YOU ARE NOT RULING IT OUT. 25:00.266 --> 25:02.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% >> I'M NOT RULING THAT OUT. 25:02.200 --> 25:03.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF 25:03.466 --> 25:05.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE THAT 25:05.766 --> 25:07.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% HASN'T COME OUT IN THE MEDIA 25:07.366 --> 25:09.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% THAT THE MEDIA HASN'T REPORTED 25:09.300 --> 25:10.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:7.5% ON. 25:10.100 --> 25:12.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% YOU KNOW FOR INSTANCE WE HAD 25:12.033 --> 25:12.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% TESTIMONY AT THE PRELIMINARY 25:12.700 --> 25:14.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% HEARING THAT KEVIN COTTER 25:14.800 --> 25:15.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% VIOLATES RULE 41. 25:15.333 --> 25:16.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% WE HAVE TESTIMONY THAT OTHER 25:16.600 --> 25:18.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% HOUSE MEMBERS VIOLATE 41. 25:18.533 --> 25:20.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% WE HAVE MADE A REQUEST TO THE 25:20.200 --> 25:22.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% POLICE THAT THEY INVESTIGATE OUT 25:22.733 --> 25:24.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% OF THAT TESTIMONY THAT THEY 25:24.500 --> 25:26.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% INVESTIGATE VIOLATIONS OF RULE 25:26.866 --> 25:28.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% 41, WE'VE ASKED THEM TO 25:28.633 --> 25:31.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% INVESTIGATE PERJURY CLAIMS FROM 25:31.000 --> 25:32.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% WITNESSES ON THE STAND. 25:32.200 --> 25:33.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% >> 41 QUICKLY IS JUST THE 25:33.766 --> 25:34.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% SIGNATURE. 25:34.400 --> 25:35.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% >> YOU HAVE TO SIGN. 25:35.233 --> 25:36.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> COUNSELOR THAT IS THE EXACT 25:36.333 --> 25:37.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% REASON WE ARE GOING TO DO AN 25:37.600 --> 25:39.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% OVER TIME SEGMENT, CAN YOU STAY 25:39.366 --> 25:42.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% AROUND FOR A LITTLE BIT? 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