1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,633  2 00:00:02,633 --> 00:00:04,033 WELCOME BACK OUR GUEST THIS WEEK 3 00:00:04,033 --> 00:00:06,533 IS DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS PERSON 4 00:00:06,533 --> 00:00:08,500 DAN KILDEE FROM GENESEE COUNTY 5 00:00:08,500 --> 00:00:11,200 THE LEAD STORY IS A TAX BREAK 6 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:12,433 FOR A COMPANY IN WEST MICHIGAN 7 00:00:12,433 --> 00:00:15,966 AND THE GOVERNOR IS NOT TOO 8 00:00:15,966 --> 00:00:17,033 ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT IT AND WE 9 00:00:17,033 --> 00:00:21,100 HAVE CHAD LIVE GOOD AND JONATHAN 10 00:00:21,100 --> 00:00:22,600 OOSTING AND BILL BALLENGER AND 11 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,666 SIT IN WITH US AS WE GET THE 12 00:00:24,666 --> 00:00:25,300 INSIDE OUT "OFF THE RECORD". 13 00:00:25,300 --> 00:00:26,000 "PRODUCTION OF OFF THE RECORD IS 14 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:26,666 MADE POSSIBLE, IN PART, BY A 15 00:00:26,666 --> 00:00:27,333 GRANT FROM TRUSCOTT-ROSSMAN. 16 00:00:27,333 --> 00:00:28,000 MICHIGAN'S ONLY BI-PARTISAN, 17 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:28,700 STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS FIRM, 18 00:00:28,700 --> 00:00:29,400 SERVING STATE-WIDE, NATIONAL AND 19 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,100 INTERNATIONAL CLIENTS FROM THEIR 20 00:00:30,100 --> 00:00:30,800 OFFICES IN LANSING, DETROIT AND 21 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:31,200 GRAND RAPIDS. 22 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:31,766 TRUSCOTT-ROSSMAN.COM. 23 00:00:31,766 --> 00:00:32,366 HAGER FOX HEATING AND AIR 24 00:00:32,366 --> 00:00:33,033 CONDITIONING COMPANY, SERVING 25 00:00:33,033 --> 00:00:33,733 THE GREATER-LANSING AREA SINCE 26 00:00:33,733 --> 00:00:34,033 1941. 27 00:00:34,033 --> 00:00:34,733 PROVIDING SOLUTIONS AND CHOICES 28 00:00:34,733 --> 00:00:35,366 FOR HOME COMFORT DURING ALL 29 00:00:35,366 --> 00:00:35,833 MICHIGAN SEASONS. 30 00:00:35,833 --> 00:00:36,533 HAGER FOX AND BRYANT, WHATEVER 31 00:00:36,533 --> 00:00:36,866 IT TAKES. 32 00:00:36,866 --> 00:00:37,333 HAGER FOX.COM." 33 00:00:37,333 --> 00:00:37,900 "AND BY MSU COLLEGE OF 34 00:00:37,900 --> 00:00:38,466 AGRICULTURE AND NATURAL 35 00:00:38,466 --> 00:00:38,833 RESOURCES. 36 00:00:38,833 --> 00:00:39,500 TACKLING THE WORLD'S BIGGEST 37 00:00:39,500 --> 00:00:40,200 PROBLEMS RELATED TO FOOD, ENERGY 38 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:40,733 AND THE ENVIRONMENT. 39 00:00:40,733 --> 00:00:41,433 WITH 20 MAJORS, 17 MINORS AND 12 40 00:00:41,433 --> 00:00:42,033 CERTIFICATE PROGRAMS, THE 41 00:00:42,033 --> 00:00:42,666 COLLEGE OF AGRICULTURE AND 42 00:00:42,666 --> 00:00:43,333 NATURAL RESOURCES PROVIDES 43 00:00:43,333 --> 00:00:43,966 STUDENTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO 44 00:00:43,966 --> 00:01:17,033 EXCEL." 45 00:01:17,033 --> 00:01:19,866 AND NOW THIS EDITION OF "OFF THE 46 00:01:19,866 --> 00:01:22,633 RECORD" WITH TIM SKUBICK. 47 00:01:22,633 --> 00:01:24,366 >> WELCOME BACK TO OTR, BUSY 48 00:01:24,366 --> 00:01:26,500 WEEK IN TOWN THIS WEEK AND THE 49 00:01:26,500 --> 00:01:29,500 GOVERNOR IS NOT TOO HAPPY THERE 50 00:01:29,500 --> 00:01:31,000 IS APPARENTLY GOING TO BE A TAX 51 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,133 BREAK FOR A COMPANY THAT WANTS 52 00:01:34,133 --> 00:01:36,766 TO COME TO GR WHAT IS GOING ON? 53 00:01:36,766 --> 00:01:38,000 >> HE IS OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THE 54 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,333 COMPANY COMING IN AND IT'S A 55 00:01:39,333 --> 00:01:41,333 SWITCH DATA CENTER, IT'S A BIG 56 00:01:41,333 --> 00:01:45,400 IT FIRM IN NEVADA THAT WANTS TO 57 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:46,733 BUILD A FACILITY IN THE 58 00:01:46,733 --> 00:01:48,733 STEELCASE BUILDING AND 59 00:01:48,733 --> 00:01:50,400 REQUESTING TAX BREAK LEGISLATION 60 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,266 TO BE MORE COMPETITIVE TO OTHER 61 00:01:52,266 --> 00:01:53,266 STATES BECAUSE THEY CAN GO 62 00:01:53,266 --> 00:01:55,233 ANYWHERE, I THINK THAT IS A REAL 63 00:01:55,233 --> 00:01:56,966 REALITY IN THIS SITUATION BUT 64 00:01:56,966 --> 00:01:58,666 THE GOVERNOR IS CONCERNED ABOUT 65 00:01:58,666 --> 00:02:00,533 THE SCOPE OF THIS BILL, IT HAS 66 00:02:00,533 --> 00:02:03,166 BEEN EXPANDED BY THE GOP 67 00:02:03,166 --> 00:02:05,533 LEGISLATURE TO INCLUDE ALL DATA 68 00:02:05,533 --> 00:02:06,566 CENTERS IN THE STATE AND THERE 69 00:02:06,566 --> 00:02:08,533 ARE SEVERAL HERE. 70 00:02:08,533 --> 00:02:10,766 THEY SAY THAT IS A WATER-BASED 71 00:02:10,766 --> 00:02:12,500 TAX POLICY AND LOOKS LESS LIKE 72 00:02:12,500 --> 00:02:14,333 AN INCENTIVE AND THE GOVERNOR IS 73 00:02:14,333 --> 00:02:15,533 A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE 74 00:02:15,533 --> 00:02:17,133 BUDGET EFFECTS THEY COULD HAVE 75 00:02:17,133 --> 00:02:18,700 AND ALSO WANTS SOME GUARANTEES 76 00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:20,166 THAT THE PROMISES THIS COMPANY 77 00:02:20,166 --> 00:02:22,200 IS MAKING ABOUT THE JOBS THEY 78 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:23,533 ARE GOING TO CREATE ARE ACTUALLY 79 00:02:23,533 --> 00:02:25,433 YOU KNOW THEY ARE HELD TO THOSE 80 00:02:25,433 --> 00:02:26,033 GUARANTEES. 81 00:02:26,033 --> 00:02:27,600 >> I THOUGHT THE GOVERNOR WASN'T 82 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,200 A HUNTER. 83 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,200 >> LOOKS LIKE WINNERS AND LOSERS 84 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:32,400 PROPOSITION NOW AND DOESN'T LOOK 85 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,433 LIKE WE ARE HANDING ONE COMPANY 86 00:02:34,433 --> 00:02:36,366 A BIG GIFT BEFORE CHRISTMAS 87 00:02:36,366 --> 00:02:37,033 ESSENTIALLY. 88 00:02:37,033 --> 00:02:41,166 BUT YEAH THIS IS SPARKED A NEW 89 00:02:41,166 --> 00:02:43,700 DEBATE HERE WITHOUT MEGA TAX 90 00:02:43,700 --> 00:02:45,266 CREDITS WHICH THEY USED TO BE 91 00:02:45,266 --> 00:02:47,300 ABLE TO HAND OUT FOR COMPANIES 92 00:02:47,300 --> 00:02:49,000 COMING TO THE STATE OR COMPANIES 93 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,566 TO RETAIN THEM IN THE STATE, YOU 94 00:02:50,566 --> 00:02:53,100 KNOW, THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE THE 95 00:02:53,100 --> 00:02:55,566 MONEY OR THE VEHICLE TO DO BIG 96 00:02:55,566 --> 00:02:56,300 DEALS. 97 00:02:56,300 --> 00:02:58,733 THEY HAD THIS 160 MILLION SOME 98 00:02:58,733 --> 00:03:01,033 ODD POT OF MONEY THAT THEY USE 99 00:03:01,033 --> 00:03:04,466 FOR SMALL DEALS, THIS GATHERING, 100 00:03:04,466 --> 00:03:08,600 A GARDENING THAT GOVERNOR SNYDER 101 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:09,200 TALKED ABOUT. 102 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,066 >> THE G WORD. 103 00:03:10,066 --> 00:03:11,100 >> BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE 104 00:03:11,100 --> 00:03:12,966 MONEY, A POT OF MONEY SITTING 105 00:03:12,966 --> 00:03:15,133 AROUND LIKE SOME STATES DO TO 106 00:03:15,133 --> 00:03:16,833 ESSENTIALLY BUY JOBS. 107 00:03:16,833 --> 00:03:20,266 SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY AN EFFORT 108 00:03:20,266 --> 00:03:22,833 TO ESSENTIALLY EXEMPT FOR THE 109 00:03:22,833 --> 00:03:24,933 PURCHASES OF COMPUTER SERVERS 110 00:03:24,933 --> 00:03:27,066 AND FOR THE PERSONAL PROPERTY 111 00:03:27,066 --> 00:03:30,433 TAX FOR AN ENTIRE INDUSTRY NOW. 112 00:03:30,433 --> 00:03:31,900 >> BASICALLY THE REPUBLICAN 113 00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:33,700 LEGISLATURE, THE GOVERNOR SAID 114 00:03:33,700 --> 00:03:36,300 LET'S SLOW THIS PUPPY DOWN AND 115 00:03:36,300 --> 00:03:37,500 TREAT IT AS A PILOT PROJECT AND 116 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:39,433 SAID GOVERNOR LET'S NOT, RIGHT? 117 00:03:39,433 --> 00:03:40,133 >> MORE OR LESS. 118 00:03:40,133 --> 00:03:42,333 I THINK EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN 119 00:03:42,333 --> 00:03:43,233 SAID IS TRUE BUT YOU KNOW THIS 120 00:03:43,233 --> 00:03:45,600 IS REALLY ONE OF THESE CASES WE 121 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,133 ARE LOOKING FOR BY PARTISANSHIP 122 00:03:48,133 --> 00:03:50,300 AND WE HAVE IT BECAUSE IT SPLIT 123 00:03:50,300 --> 00:03:53,000 THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND A LOT 124 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,466 OF REPUBLICANS THINK IT'S A BAD 125 00:03:54,466 --> 00:03:55,766 MOVE AND MOVES AWAY FROM THE 126 00:03:55,766 --> 00:03:57,200 REPUBLICAN PHILOSOPHY ON 127 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,833 TAXATION. 128 00:03:58,833 --> 00:04:01,066 WE SHOULD BE BROADLY BASED AND 129 00:04:01,066 --> 00:04:02,400 WHERE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T GET 130 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:03,133 INVOLVED. 131 00:04:03,133 --> 00:04:04,266 >> AND THE FREE MARKET. 132 00:04:04,266 --> 00:04:05,366 >> FREE MARKET AND EVERYTHING 133 00:04:05,366 --> 00:04:07,133 ELSE AND ACTUALLY SURPRISINGLY 134 00:04:07,133 --> 00:04:09,066 MANY DEMOCRATS SUPPORT THIS 135 00:04:09,066 --> 00:04:11,033 PARTICULAR MOVE SIMPLY BECAUSE 136 00:04:11,033 --> 00:04:15,066 IT IS SUCH A HUGE BONANZA 137 00:04:15,066 --> 00:04:17,333 ECONOMIC WIND FALL SEEMINGLY. 138 00:04:17,333 --> 00:04:19,500 >> THANK YOU FOR ADDING THAT. 139 00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:21,033 >> ALL PROMOTE THIS STUFF. 140 00:04:21,033 --> 00:04:21,533 >> I KNOW. 141 00:04:21,533 --> 00:04:24,466 5 MILLION JOBS. 142 00:04:24,466 --> 00:04:27,233 >> SOME OF THESE PHILOSOPHICAL 143 00:04:27,233 --> 00:04:30,400 DEBATE CREATED STRANGE BED 144 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:31,466 FELLOWS WITH THE MICHIGAN 145 00:04:31,466 --> 00:04:33,066 CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND PEOPLE 146 00:04:33,066 --> 00:04:35,366 LIKE REBECCA WARREN MAKING THE 147 00:04:35,366 --> 00:04:37,166 SAME ARGUMENT WITH THE GOVERNOR 148 00:04:37,166 --> 00:04:40,166 AND GOP MAJORITY MOVING FORWARD 149 00:04:40,166 --> 00:04:42,566 WITH THE BILLS AND IT RAISES BIG 150 00:04:42,566 --> 00:04:43,766 QUESTIONS AS CHAD WAS SAYING 151 00:04:43,766 --> 00:04:45,300 ABOUT THE TAX POLICY IN THE 152 00:04:45,300 --> 00:04:48,766 STATE THAT YOU KNOW AND HOW YOU 153 00:04:48,766 --> 00:04:51,100 RESPOND TO WHAT IS AN EXCITING 154 00:04:51,100 --> 00:04:52,600 OPPORTUNITY I THINK EVERYONE 155 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:52,966 AGREES. 156 00:04:52,966 --> 00:04:54,666 >> I WOULD EXPECT A LOT OF PHONE 157 00:04:54,666 --> 00:04:56,133 CALLS ARE GOING TO BE COMING TO 158 00:04:56,133 --> 00:04:57,800 REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC STATE 159 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,100 REPRESENTATIVES THIS WEEKEND WHO 160 00:04:59,100 --> 00:05:00,333 ARE ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS 161 00:05:00,333 --> 00:05:03,633 BECAUSE MICHIGAN CHAMBER OF 162 00:05:03,633 --> 00:05:06,400 COMMERCE HAS LIKENED THIS TO 163 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:07,733 BATTERY TAX CREDITS THAT HAS 164 00:05:07,733 --> 00:05:10,433 GRANHOLM LOSS DECADES WRITTEN 165 00:05:10,433 --> 00:05:12,266 ALL OVER IT. 166 00:05:12,266 --> 00:05:15,100 AND FILM AND WE JUST DESTROYED 167 00:05:15,100 --> 00:05:16,600 THE FILM INCENTIVES AND THE 168 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,366 MICHIGAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE 169 00:05:18,366 --> 00:05:19,566 SAYS YOU ARE DOING THE SAME 170 00:05:19,566 --> 00:05:21,533 THING SO OBVIOUSLY SOME SENATORS 171 00:05:21,533 --> 00:05:24,000 DID NOT BLINK AN EYE WHEN THEY 172 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,666 DID THIS BUT THERE MAY BE SOME 173 00:05:25,666 --> 00:05:27,466 FIRST, SECOND TERM REPUBLICANS 174 00:05:27,466 --> 00:05:30,100 WHO FEAR PRIMARIES THIS COULD BE 175 00:05:30,100 --> 00:05:31,066 USED AGAINST THEM. 176 00:05:31,066 --> 00:05:33,700 >> HAD THE SPECTER OF 177 00:05:33,700 --> 00:05:36,300 ADMINISTRATION ON ONE HAND 178 00:05:36,300 --> 00:05:38,266 BUYING DOWN TAX CREDITS AND 179 00:05:38,266 --> 00:05:39,600 MAKING IT BETTER FOR THE STATE 180 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,033 AND ON THE OTHER HAND THEY SAY 181 00:05:42,033 --> 00:05:44,400 LET'S DIP IN THE KITTY AND WENT 182 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,333 20 MILLION TO 250 MILLION. 183 00:05:47,333 --> 00:05:48,933 >> DEPENDS HOW YOU CALCULATE IT 184 00:05:48,933 --> 00:05:50,500 AND HAS FIELD OF DREAMS WRITTEN 185 00:05:50,500 --> 00:05:52,500 ALL OVER IT, IF YOU BUILD IT 186 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:53,900 THEY WILL COME. 187 00:05:53,900 --> 00:05:55,766 MAYBE THERE IS NO ASSURANCE, NO 188 00:05:55,766 --> 00:05:58,333 ONE FROM SWITCH SIGNED AN 189 00:05:58,333 --> 00:06:00,166 AFFIDAVIT SAYING IF YOU GIVE US 190 00:06:00,166 --> 00:06:01,600 THIS TAX BREAK WE WILL COME SO 191 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,166 THEY COULD DO THIS AND THEN 192 00:06:03,166 --> 00:06:04,633 SWITCH COULD FIND SOME OTHER 193 00:06:04,633 --> 00:06:06,233 STATE THAT UPS THE BID AND THEY 194 00:06:06,233 --> 00:06:07,433 COULD GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. 195 00:06:07,433 --> 00:06:09,166 >> THAT IS GOOD NEWS, TIM, 196 00:06:09,166 --> 00:06:10,733 LEGISLATURE COME BACK JUST 197 00:06:10,733 --> 00:06:11,466 REPEAL THE LAW. 198 00:06:11,466 --> 00:06:12,500 >> THEY COULD. 199 00:06:12,500 --> 00:06:14,000 THEY PROMISED. 200 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,633 >> THEY MAY PUT SOME KIND OF 201 00:06:15,633 --> 00:06:17,166 LANGUAGE IN IT IF IT DOESN'T 202 00:06:17,166 --> 00:06:18,033 HAPPEN. 203 00:06:18,033 --> 00:06:19,366 >> WHAT IS WRONG WITH PUTTING IN 204 00:06:19,366 --> 00:06:21,033 SPECIFIC LANGUAGE SAYING YOU 205 00:06:21,033 --> 00:06:22,066 WILL CREATE WITHIN A FRAMEWORK 206 00:06:22,066 --> 00:06:23,166 THIS MANY JOBS. 207 00:06:23,166 --> 00:06:25,000 >> IT'S A PHILOSOPHICAL DEBATE 208 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,500 BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE AN 209 00:06:26,500 --> 00:06:28,433 ABATEMENT AS OPPOSED TO JUST A 210 00:06:28,433 --> 00:06:30,600 BROAD TAX POLICY AND REPUBLICANS 211 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,266 DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE THEY ARE 212 00:06:32,266 --> 00:06:33,933 DOING A SPECIAL CARVE OUT EVEN 213 00:06:33,933 --> 00:06:36,166 THOUGH REALLY THEY WOULDN'T BE 214 00:06:36,166 --> 00:06:37,733 DISCUSSING THIS AT ALL IF IT 215 00:06:37,733 --> 00:06:38,566 WEREN'T FOR THIS. 216 00:06:38,566 --> 00:06:40,066 >> WOULD WE HAVE THE SAME ISSUE 217 00:06:40,066 --> 00:06:42,700 IF THIS WAS A PLANT COMING TO 218 00:06:42,700 --> 00:06:45,100 FARMINGTON HILLS RATHER THAN THE 219 00:06:45,100 --> 00:06:45,766 WEST SIDE OF THE STATE. 220 00:06:45,766 --> 00:06:46,900 >> THERE IS THAT TOO. 221 00:06:46,900 --> 00:06:48,066 >> BECAUSE THERE ARE REPUBLICANS 222 00:06:48,066 --> 00:06:48,466 OVER THERE. 223 00:06:48,466 --> 00:06:50,433 >> EAST SIDE, WEST SIDE DIVIDE 224 00:06:50,433 --> 00:06:52,466 AND CONTROVERSY THAT ENTERS INTO 225 00:06:52,466 --> 00:06:54,200 IT AND I THINK THAT IS LESS A 226 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,800 FACTOR THAN THE THINGS. 227 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,300 >> THIS IS COMING TO DETROIT 228 00:06:57,300 --> 00:06:58,966 WOULD WE ALL BE IN THE SAME 229 00:06:58,966 --> 00:07:01,566 CONTEXT, I'M NOT SO SURE. 230 00:07:01,566 --> 00:07:03,233 BUT I THINK MAYBE WHAT THE 231 00:07:03,233 --> 00:07:04,466 GOVERNOR ALSO SEES IS HE HAS GOT 232 00:07:04,466 --> 00:07:06,000 SOME PRIORITIES OF HIS THAT ARE 233 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,133 NOT GOING ANYWHERE THIS CALENDAR 234 00:07:08,133 --> 00:07:10,266 YEAR AND HE SEES THIS THING 235 00:07:10,266 --> 00:07:12,200 COMING IN AND STEAM ROLLING US 236 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,166 LESS THAN A-MONTH-OLD. 237 00:07:14,166 --> 00:07:15,400 >> SUCKING THE AIR OUT OF THE 238 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:16,266 ROOM. 239 00:07:16,266 --> 00:07:18,333 >> SEVEN MONTHS TRYING TO GET A 240 00:07:18,333 --> 00:07:20,300 BILL FOR DETROIT PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 241 00:07:20,300 --> 00:07:21,833 >> WORKING ON IT AND MAYBE HE 242 00:07:21,833 --> 00:07:23,333 OUGHT TO LINK THAT TO THIS BUT 243 00:07:23,333 --> 00:07:24,766 HE DOESN'T DO THAT SORRY. 244 00:07:24,766 --> 00:07:26,433 STRAIGHT PARTY LINE TICKET 245 00:07:26,433 --> 00:07:28,666 VOTING AND NO REASON ABSENTEE 246 00:07:28,666 --> 00:07:30,133 WHAT IS GOING ON THERE BILLY? 247 00:07:30,133 --> 00:07:31,000 >> REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN TRYING 248 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,066 TO GET RID OF STRAIGHT TICKET 249 00:07:33,066 --> 00:07:34,133 VOTING FOR YEARS. 250 00:07:34,133 --> 00:07:35,466 IN FACT, THEY GOT RID OF IT 14 251 00:07:35,466 --> 00:07:37,266 YEARS AGO AND MARK AND THE 252 00:07:37,266 --> 00:07:39,400 DEMOCRATS GOT A REFERENDUM ON IT 253 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,100 AND THE VOTERS SAID WE WANT TO 254 00:07:41,100 --> 00:07:46,766 KEEP STRAIGHT TICKET VOTING AND 255 00:07:46,766 --> 00:07:48,600 THEY ARE TRYING TO KEEP IT OFF 256 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,333 THE BALLOT AND COUNTY CLERKS 257 00:07:50,333 --> 00:07:51,900 SAID THIS IS GOING TO CREATE 258 00:07:51,900 --> 00:07:52,900 LINES AND IT'S GOING TO BE 259 00:07:52,900 --> 00:07:54,033 TERRIBLE. 260 00:07:54,033 --> 00:07:55,433 THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY STATES 261 00:07:55,433 --> 00:07:57,033 ACTUALLY THAT ALLOW STRAIGHT 262 00:07:57,033 --> 00:07:59,233 TICKET VOTING SO IT'S NOT AS 263 00:07:59,233 --> 00:08:01,233 THOUGH THIS IS AN UNPRECEDENTED 264 00:08:01,233 --> 00:08:03,333 MOVE BY A STATE WITH STRAIGHT 265 00:08:03,333 --> 00:08:06,100 VICTIM VOTING AND GET RID OF IT 266 00:08:06,100 --> 00:08:07,066 SO THE REPUBLICANS HAVE NOW SAID 267 00:08:07,066 --> 00:08:11,233 OKAY LET'S CREATE NO REASON 268 00:08:11,233 --> 00:08:12,400 ABSENTEE VOTING WHICH IS 269 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,233 SOMETHING THE DEMOCRATS HAVE 270 00:08:13,233 --> 00:08:14,100 ALWAYS WANTED. 271 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:14,433 >> RIGHT. 272 00:08:14,433 --> 00:08:15,300 >> SO THE REPUBLICANS ARE 273 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:17,333 ARGUING WE WILL MAKEUP FOR ANY 274 00:08:17,333 --> 00:08:18,800 EXTRA LINES THAT MIGHT BE 275 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,066 CREATED BY GETTING RID OF 276 00:08:22,066 --> 00:08:24,500 STRAIGHT TICKET VOTING. 277 00:08:24,500 --> 00:08:25,400 >> WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON HERE? 278 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:26,933 >> IT'S A POLITICAL POWER PLAY 279 00:08:26,933 --> 00:08:28,600 BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. 280 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,166 >> TO DO WHAT? 281 00:08:30,166 --> 00:08:31,966 >> TO GET RID OF STRAIGHT TICKET 282 00:08:31,966 --> 00:08:32,466 VOTING. 283 00:08:32,466 --> 00:08:33,000 >> BECAUSE? 284 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,566 >> BECAUSE IT PRODUCES A HIGHER 285 00:08:34,566 --> 00:08:36,733 DEMOCRATIC TURN OUT, EVERY STUDY 286 00:08:36,733 --> 00:08:38,466 HAS SHOWN AND DEMONSTRATES. 287 00:08:38,466 --> 00:08:41,000 >> IT IS CLOSE AND LISTEN I WAS 288 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:41,500 SURPRISED. 289 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:42,500 >> DEPENDS WHERE IT IS. 290 00:08:42,500 --> 00:08:46,033 >> IT'S ABOUT DUMB TICKET VOTING 291 00:08:46,033 --> 00:08:48,900 AND THE BOARD OF REGENTS AND THE 292 00:08:48,900 --> 00:08:50,366 SCHOOL BOARD AND PEOPLE MIGHT 293 00:08:50,366 --> 00:08:51,933 NOT GET TO THAT POINT AND IF YOU 294 00:08:51,933 --> 00:08:54,033 HAVE MORE STRAIGHT TICKET VOTERS 295 00:08:54,033 --> 00:08:55,233 LIKE A CITY OF DETROIT AND EVERY 296 00:08:55,233 --> 00:08:56,400 ONE IS VOTING. 297 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:57,666 >> MORE IMPACT ON THE TICKET BUT 298 00:08:57,666 --> 00:08:58,900 IT ACTUALLY IS BETTER FOR THE 299 00:08:58,900 --> 00:09:00,666 DEMOCRATS. 300 00:09:00,666 --> 00:09:03,033 >> REPUBLICANS SAY THEY WANT 301 00:09:03,033 --> 00:09:05,933 VOTERS TO STUDY THE CANDIDATES. 302 00:09:05,933 --> 00:09:07,000 >> EVIDENCE THE VOTERS WANT TO 303 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,966 BE STUDYING SCHOOL BOARD 304 00:09:08,966 --> 00:09:10,366 CANDIDATES AT THIS POINT BUT, 305 00:09:10,366 --> 00:09:13,200 YEAH, THERE IS I MEAN LOOK LAST 306 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:19,900 YEAR IN 2014, 80% OF MARK 307 00:09:19,900 --> 00:09:22,233 SHOWERS WERE STRAIGHT PARTY 308 00:09:22,233 --> 00:09:24,333 TICKET VOTING AND IT'S LIKE 30% 309 00:09:24,333 --> 00:09:25,966 OR SOME AROUND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD 310 00:09:25,966 --> 00:09:28,866 FOR RICK SNYDER IN ALL OF WAYNE 311 00:09:28,866 --> 00:09:29,166 COUNTY. 312 00:09:29,166 --> 00:09:31,433 THEY KNOW THERE IS A STRATEGIC 313 00:09:31,433 --> 00:09:33,466 ADVANTAGE FOR DEMOCRATS AND 314 00:09:33,466 --> 00:09:35,500 ESPECIALLY FOR THE BASE. 315 00:09:35,500 --> 00:09:38,500 >> MARTY MULLENBURG THE 316 00:09:38,500 --> 00:09:40,633 REPUBLICAN SPONSOR GOT 47% OF 317 00:09:40,633 --> 00:09:42,100 VOTE FROM GUESS WHAT STRAIGHT 318 00:09:42,100 --> 00:09:43,033 TICKET VOTING. 319 00:09:43,033 --> 00:09:44,166 >> THAT IS IN TROY AND IN HIS 320 00:09:44,166 --> 00:09:46,300 DISTRICT BUT THE POINT IS. 321 00:09:46,300 --> 00:09:48,166 >> WAIT A SECOND IF I HAVE THAT 322 00:09:48,166 --> 00:09:49,400 MUCH DO I WANT TO TURN THAT 323 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:50,066 AWAY? 324 00:09:50,066 --> 00:09:51,200 >> FOR THE REST OF THE STATE, 325 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,266 YES, IF IT HELPS THE REPUBLICANS 326 00:09:53,266 --> 00:09:54,700 AND THE REST OF THE STATE 327 00:09:54,700 --> 00:09:58,866 OVERALL MARTY WOULD WIN IN THAT 328 00:09:58,866 --> 00:10:01,466 DISTRICT ANY WAY, STRAIGHT PARTY 329 00:10:01,466 --> 00:10:02,200 VOTING OR NOT. 330 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:03,700 BY THE WAY SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS 331 00:10:03,700 --> 00:10:06,700 ARE NOT PARTISAN RACES FOR WHAT 332 00:10:06,700 --> 00:10:07,966 IT'S WORTH. 333 00:10:07,966 --> 00:10:09,600 >> STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION. 334 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,300 >> STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION, 335 00:10:11,300 --> 00:10:14,566 THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE. 336 00:10:14,566 --> 00:10:16,133 >> ABOUT TRYING TO WIN THE 337 00:10:16,133 --> 00:10:17,300 UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN BOARD OF 338 00:10:17,300 --> 00:10:20,100 REGENTS REPUBLICAN CONTROL. 339 00:10:20,100 --> 00:10:21,800 >> FOR THE REPUBLICANS IT IS 340 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,266 BECAUSE THEY DO NOT CONTROL THE 341 00:10:23,266 --> 00:10:24,366 BOARDS. 342 00:10:24,366 --> 00:10:25,300 >> FORMER DEMOCRATIC CHAIR SAYS 343 00:10:25,300 --> 00:10:27,433 THIS IS ALL ABOUT SUPPRESSING 344 00:10:27,433 --> 00:10:29,066 THE VOTE BY REPUBLICANS TO HURT 345 00:10:29,066 --> 00:10:30,333 DEMOCRATS AND YOU TAKE THIS AND 346 00:10:30,333 --> 00:10:32,100 TAKE THE INABILITY QUOTE HE SAYS 347 00:10:32,100 --> 00:10:36,100 TO RECALL PEOPLE, THE 180 DAY 348 00:10:36,100 --> 00:10:39,100 WINDOW TO GATHER SIGNATURES FOR 349 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:41,233 PETITION DRIVES AND THE AVERAGE 350 00:10:41,233 --> 00:10:43,733 JOE THE STREET CANNOT DO THAT. 351 00:10:43,733 --> 00:10:45,033 >> SUPPRESSION MEANS KEEPING 352 00:10:45,033 --> 00:10:46,433 PEOPLE FROM VOTING WHO MIGHT 353 00:10:46,433 --> 00:10:48,766 OTHERWISE VOTE OKAY AND JUST 354 00:10:48,766 --> 00:10:49,500 CHANGING THEIR BEHAVIOR IS 355 00:10:49,500 --> 00:10:51,100 ANOTHER SO THE REPUBLICANS ARE 356 00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:52,733 ARGUING LOOK PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE 357 00:10:52,733 --> 00:10:55,033 SMART ENOUGH TO GO IN AND STUDY 358 00:10:55,033 --> 00:10:57,033 WHO THE CANDIDATES ARE AND GO 359 00:10:57,033 --> 00:10:57,300 DOWN. 360 00:10:57,300 --> 00:10:58,333 >> MOST STATES DO THAT. 361 00:10:58,333 --> 00:11:00,633 THAT IS WHAT MOST STATES IN THE 362 00:11:00,633 --> 00:11:01,000 COUNTRY DO. 363 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:01,600 MICHIGAN HAS BEEN UNIQUE. 364 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,100 SO THE REPUBLICANS SAY LET'S BE 365 00:11:03,100 --> 00:11:04,433 LIKE THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. 366 00:11:04,433 --> 00:11:06,633 >> ONE THING AND NO REASON 367 00:11:06,633 --> 00:11:08,533 ABSENTEE VOTING AND NOT A FULL 368 00:11:08,533 --> 00:11:10,200 REASON ABSENTEE IT'S NO REASON 369 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,266 IN PERSON. 370 00:11:11,266 --> 00:11:12,100 >> YOU HAVE TO SHOW UP. 371 00:11:12,100 --> 00:11:13,000 >> YOU HAVE TO SHOW UP TO YOUR 372 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,266 CLERK'S OFFICE AND VOTE IN 373 00:11:14,266 --> 00:11:15,000 PERSON. 374 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,600 NOT EVEN CAN GET A BALLOT BY 375 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:18,333 MAIL. 376 00:11:18,333 --> 00:11:19,133 >> YOU HAVE TO APPLY OR THE 377 00:11:19,133 --> 00:11:19,766 BALLOT. 378 00:11:19,766 --> 00:11:23,133 >> WELL YEAH BUT IT'S ALL ABOUT 379 00:11:23,133 --> 00:11:25,166 BEING -- IT'S BASICALLY EARLY 380 00:11:25,166 --> 00:11:28,433 VOTING IN PERSON WHICH MOST 381 00:11:28,433 --> 00:11:30,300 CLERKS SUPPORT ALTHOUGH IF IT 382 00:11:30,300 --> 00:11:31,733 REALLY CATCHES ON YOU WILL HAVE 383 00:11:31,733 --> 00:11:33,733 EARLY LINES AND THEN THERE MIGHT 384 00:11:33,733 --> 00:11:34,066 BE SOME. 385 00:11:34,066 --> 00:11:35,433 >> WHAT IS WRONG WITH SENDING 386 00:11:35,433 --> 00:11:37,833 OUT THROUGH THE MAIL AN ABSENTEE 387 00:11:37,833 --> 00:11:39,266 BALLOT? 388 00:11:39,266 --> 00:11:42,033 >> THEY DO THAT RIGHT NOW FOR 389 00:11:42,033 --> 00:11:42,833 EVERYBODY ELSE. 390 00:11:42,833 --> 00:11:44,100 >> THE REPUBLICANS DON'T WANT TO 391 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:46,333 MAKE IT TOO EASY AND WANT NO 392 00:11:46,333 --> 00:11:48,800 REASON ABSENTEE VOTING AS A STOP 393 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,500 TO GO ALONG WITH THEIR ARGUMENT 394 00:11:50,500 --> 00:11:52,800 TO GET RID OF STRAIGHT TICKET 395 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,466 VOTING BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO 396 00:11:54,466 --> 00:11:55,866 MAKE IT SO EASY THAT ALL YOU 397 00:11:55,866 --> 00:11:57,433 HAVE TO DO IS SHOW UP ON 398 00:11:57,433 --> 00:11:59,233 ELECTION DAY AND SAY, HEY, I'M 399 00:11:59,233 --> 00:12:00,933 VOTING. 400 00:12:00,933 --> 00:12:03,333 >> THE ABSENTEE BILL IT'S NOT 401 00:12:03,333 --> 00:12:04,900 GOING TO BOOST VOTING NUMBERS BY 402 00:12:04,900 --> 00:12:06,166 A HUGE MARGIN. 403 00:12:06,166 --> 00:12:07,733 IT'S NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY 404 00:12:07,733 --> 00:12:10,966 CHANGE THE LENGTH OF MINDS IN 405 00:12:10,966 --> 00:12:12,900 CERTAIN PRECINCTS WHICH IS WHAT 406 00:12:12,900 --> 00:12:15,200 THE ARGUMENT THAT IS BEING MADE. 407 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,933 BUT YOU KNOW I THINK THIS WHOLE 408 00:12:18,933 --> 00:12:22,666 DEBATE IS YOU KNOW ABOUT WELL IT 409 00:12:22,666 --> 00:12:24,366 TOUCHES ON A BUNCH OF POLITICAL 410 00:12:24,366 --> 00:12:25,466 ISSUES AND DELVES ARE ABLE TO 411 00:12:25,466 --> 00:12:27,133 BRING UP THIS STUFF ABOUT LONG 412 00:12:27,133 --> 00:12:28,300 LINES BECAUSE IT MAY HAVE AN 413 00:12:28,300 --> 00:12:30,033 EFFECT IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS AND 414 00:12:30,033 --> 00:12:31,533 IT FITS THE NARRATIVE WHICH IS 415 00:12:31,533 --> 00:12:33,566 ALSO POLITICAL THAT THE GOP IS 416 00:12:33,566 --> 00:12:35,000 TRYING TO SUPPRESS VOTING. 417 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,300 THAT IS A REAL NARRATIVE AND IT 418 00:12:37,300 --> 00:12:39,466 DOES BENEFIT THE GOP. 419 00:12:39,466 --> 00:12:40,700 >> THAT IS THE STORY AND THEY 420 00:12:40,700 --> 00:12:42,000 ARE STICKING TO IT SO WHAT DOES 421 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,900 THE GOVERNOR DO ABOUT IT AND HE 422 00:12:43,900 --> 00:12:46,466 IS NOT STRANGELY SILENT. 423 00:12:46,466 --> 00:12:47,433 >> HE WILL SIGN IT. 424 00:12:47,433 --> 00:12:49,600 >> SIGN IT, DO YOU AGREE? 425 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:50,400 >> PROBABLY. 426 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,766 >> DPS HOW COME HE CAN'T GET A 427 00:12:52,766 --> 00:12:54,600 BILL INTRODUCED? 428 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,533 >> EVERYONE THINKS THEY NEED TO 429 00:12:56,533 --> 00:12:58,566 WRITE A CHECK FOR 715 MILLION, 430 00:12:58,566 --> 00:13:00,300 THAT IS ONE COMPONENT OF IT. 431 00:13:00,300 --> 00:13:01,433 THE LARGER ISSUE WHEN YOU TALK 432 00:13:01,433 --> 00:13:03,700 TO LAWMAKERS IS THERE IS NO 433 00:13:03,700 --> 00:13:06,700 TRUST AMONG BOTH SIDES. 434 00:13:06,700 --> 00:13:09,566 DEMOCRATS DON'T TRUST LANSING. 435 00:13:09,566 --> 00:13:10,266 THE LANSING HAS BEEN IN CHARGE 436 00:13:10,266 --> 00:13:12,000 FOR SIX YEARS OF EMERGENCY 437 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,366 MANAGERS, FOUR OF THEM NOW AND 438 00:13:13,366 --> 00:13:16,666 REPUBLICANS ARE DISTRUSTFUL OF 439 00:13:16,666 --> 00:13:18,666 ALL THESE OTHER ATTEMPTS AND 440 00:13:18,666 --> 00:13:21,700 THEY DON'T REALLY TRUST THAT 441 00:13:21,700 --> 00:13:22,400 WRITING A CHECK AND CREATING A 442 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,233 NEW DEBT FREE DETROIT PUBLIC 443 00:13:25,233 --> 00:13:26,166 SCHOOLS IS NECESSARILY GOING TO 444 00:13:26,166 --> 00:13:27,800 GET THE JOB AND NECESSARILY 445 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,333 GOING TO INCREASE THE LEARNING 446 00:13:30,333 --> 00:13:33,600 AND ACADEMIC SUCCESS AMONG 447 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,500 DETROIT STUDENTS SO THEY ARE 448 00:13:37,500 --> 00:13:40,000 KIND OF BURROWED IN THEIR CAMP 449 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,866 AND THINK CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE 450 00:13:42,866 --> 00:13:44,233 THE SOLUTION OR DON'T LIKE WHAT 451 00:13:44,233 --> 00:13:46,566 THEY SEE AND SEE INCIDENTS LIKE 452 00:13:46,566 --> 00:13:48,600 THIS WEEK WHEN A BUNCH OF 453 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,233 DETROIT TEACHERS STAGE A PROTEST 454 00:13:50,233 --> 00:13:52,133 AND CAUSED THREE SCHOOLS TO BE 455 00:13:52,133 --> 00:13:54,500 CLOSED AND WHAT HAPPENED BACK IN 456 00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:55,233 MARCH OR MAY WHENEVER THE 457 00:13:55,233 --> 00:13:57,833 GOVERNOR INTRODUCED HIS BILL OR 458 00:13:57,833 --> 00:14:00,366 INTRODUCED HIS PROPOSAL THEY 459 00:14:00,366 --> 00:14:02,533 CAME TO LANSING AND PROTEST IN 460 00:14:02,533 --> 00:14:03,966 FRONT OF THE CAPITOL AND CAUSED 461 00:14:03,966 --> 00:14:05,566 NINE SCHOOLS TO BE CLOSED. 462 00:14:05,566 --> 00:14:07,033 SO THERE IS NO SYMPATHY FROM 463 00:14:07,033 --> 00:14:08,366 SOME REPUBLICANS WHEN THEY SEE 464 00:14:08,366 --> 00:14:10,633 THESE TEACHER UNIONS STAGING 465 00:14:10,633 --> 00:14:12,766 THESE PROTESTS IN PROTEST OF A 466 00:14:12,766 --> 00:14:13,833 GOVERNOR WHO IS TRYING TO BAIL 467 00:14:13,833 --> 00:14:14,966 OUT THEIR SCHOOL DISTRICT. 468 00:14:14,966 --> 00:14:16,133 >> IT'S NOT JUST BOTH SIDES 469 00:14:16,133 --> 00:14:19,033 HERE, I WAS TALKING TO JEFF 470 00:14:19,033 --> 00:14:21,100 HANSON WHO IS GOING TO BE THE 471 00:14:21,100 --> 00:14:23,200 LEAD ON THE SENATE WHEN IT GETS 472 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:24,133 INTRODUCED AND DEALING WITH 473 00:14:24,133 --> 00:14:25,033 REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS AND 474 00:14:25,033 --> 00:14:27,866 THE GOVERNOR AND MIKE DUGGAN AND 475 00:14:27,866 --> 00:14:30,400 DPS AND DEALING WITH THE CHARTER 476 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:31,700 COMMUNITY TO THERE IS A TON OF 477 00:14:31,700 --> 00:14:33,033 INTEREST HERE THAT ALL WANT TO 478 00:14:33,033 --> 00:14:34,200 SEE DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE 479 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,200 BILLS AND SIMPLY FIGURING OUT 480 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,133 WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO 481 00:14:38,133 --> 00:14:39,533 LOOK LIKE IS A PROCESS OF TYING 482 00:14:39,533 --> 00:14:42,766 TO SATISFY EVERYONE WITHOUT 483 00:14:42,766 --> 00:14:43,633 ALTERNATING THEM. 484 00:14:43,633 --> 00:14:46,100 >> DEALING WITH POST JOHN ENGLER 485 00:14:46,100 --> 00:14:47,966 BECAUSE HE ELIMINATED THE SCHOOL 486 00:14:47,966 --> 00:14:50,166 BOARD UNILATERALLY AND IMPOSED A 487 00:14:50,166 --> 00:14:52,100 STATE APPOINTED BOARD WHICH MANY 488 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:54,200 PEOPLE SAID DID NOT WORK AND THE 489 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,166 MEMORY IS LONG IN DETROIT ON 490 00:14:55,166 --> 00:14:56,000 THAT. 491 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,800 >> HE IS DEALING WITH ALSO BIG 492 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,100 BUSINESS INTERESTS IN DETROIT 493 00:15:00,100 --> 00:15:01,733 THAT SAY THE CITY'S TURN AROUND 494 00:15:01,733 --> 00:15:03,366 IS DOING GREAT BUT IF WE DON'T 495 00:15:03,366 --> 00:15:04,833 FIND A WAY TO GET FAMILIES TO 496 00:15:04,833 --> 00:15:06,666 STAY IN THIS CITY IT'S GOING TO 497 00:15:06,666 --> 00:15:09,000 CONTINUE TO BLEED. 498 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,066 >> THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES 499 00:15:10,066 --> 00:15:11,966 WHERE EVERYBODY SAYS YES WE NEED 500 00:15:11,966 --> 00:15:13,733 TO DO SOMETHING, RIGHT, AND JUST 501 00:15:13,733 --> 00:15:15,366 CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT 502 00:15:15,366 --> 00:15:16,600 AND ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT 503 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,700 BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. 504 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:20,966 >> I WAS TALKING TO HANSON 505 00:15:20,966 --> 00:15:22,866 YESTERDAY AND HE SAYS LIKE ROADS 506 00:15:22,866 --> 00:15:24,566 THEY HAVE COME ON AN AGREEMENT 507 00:15:24,566 --> 00:15:27,000 ON 715 MILLION NUMBER THE 508 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:27,933 QUESTION IS WHERE THAT WILL COME 509 00:15:27,933 --> 00:15:28,866 FROM BASICALLY. 510 00:15:28,866 --> 00:15:30,733 >> LET'S CALL IN OUR GUEST AND 511 00:15:30,733 --> 00:15:33,266 DAN KILDEE THE CONGRESS PERSON. 512 00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:34,733 DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS PERSON DAN 513 00:15:34,733 --> 00:15:36,133 KILDEE IS IN HIS SECOND TERM IN 514 00:15:36,133 --> 00:15:37,466 WASHINGTON, HE HAS SERVED IN A 515 00:15:37,466 --> 00:15:39,966 VARIETY OF GENESEE COUNTY POSTS 516 00:15:39,966 --> 00:15:42,333 INCLUDING TREASURER, THE BOARD 517 00:15:42,333 --> 00:15:44,000 OF COMMISSION AND BOARD OF 518 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,100 EDUCATION AND RAN THE FIRST LAND 519 00:15:46,100 --> 00:15:49,333 BANK AND WORKED EIGHT YEARS AT A 520 00:15:49,333 --> 00:15:50,400 CHILDREN'S REHAB CENTER AND 521 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:51,633 INTEREST IN RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR 522 00:15:51,633 --> 00:15:54,400 IN 2018. 523 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:55,300 NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN. 524 00:15:55,300 --> 00:15:55,900 >> THANK YOU. 525 00:15:55,900 --> 00:15:58,133 >> GOOD TO BE BACK AND YOU GOT 526 00:15:58,133 --> 00:15:59,366 THE FIRST ONE. 527 00:15:59,366 --> 00:16:01,433 >> CONGRESSMAN FOR THE LAST 528 00:16:01,433 --> 00:16:03,466 COUPLE YEARS YOU HAVE BEEN 529 00:16:03,466 --> 00:16:04,366 LEADING A FIGHT IN CONGRESS TO 530 00:16:04,366 --> 00:16:10,833 GET RAND TO RELEASE A FLINT MAN 531 00:16:10,833 --> 00:16:12,733 WHO HAS BEEN IN PRISON IN IRAN 532 00:16:12,733 --> 00:16:15,166 FOR I THINK THREE YEARS NOW. 533 00:16:15,166 --> 00:16:18,400 WHAT ASSURANCES DO YOU SEE THAT 534 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,100 IRAN WILL EVER DO THIS AND ALSO 535 00:16:22,100 --> 00:16:24,000 GIVEN THE CONTEXT OF THE NUCLEAR 536 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,766 ARMS AGREEMENT, WHY SHOULD WE 537 00:16:27,766 --> 00:16:30,566 BELIEVE IRAN'S AWARD HERE ON 538 00:16:30,566 --> 00:16:31,066 ANYTHING? 539 00:16:31,066 --> 00:16:32,266 >> WE SHOULDN'T TAKE THEIR WORD 540 00:16:32,266 --> 00:16:33,366 AND THAT IS WHY THE AGREEMENT 541 00:16:33,366 --> 00:16:34,633 WAS SO IMPORTANT. 542 00:16:34,633 --> 00:16:36,400 THE AGREEMENT ALLOWS US TO MAKE 543 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,166 SURE AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT 15 544 00:16:38,166 --> 00:16:40,233 YEARS THAT IRAN DOES NOT POSSES 545 00:16:40,233 --> 00:16:41,300 A NUCLEAR WEAPON. 546 00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:42,633 THE AGREEMENT DOES NOT MAKE THEM 547 00:16:42,633 --> 00:16:45,200 A GOOD ACTOR IN THE GLOBAL 548 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:45,600 STAGE. 549 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:46,600 IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT THE 550 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,733 AGREEMENT NOT BE SOMETHING THAT 551 00:16:48,733 --> 00:16:51,033 WOULD INCLUDE THE FREEDOM OF 552 00:16:51,033 --> 00:16:52,000 THESE AMERICANS AND THAT IS KIND 553 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,366 OF AN IMPORTANT POINT TO MAKE. 554 00:16:54,366 --> 00:16:56,166 WE WOULDN'T WANT TO TRADE 555 00:16:56,166 --> 00:16:58,566 FREEDOM OF INNOCENT PEOPLE FOR 556 00:16:58,566 --> 00:17:00,100 SOMETHING THAT MAKES THE WORLD A 557 00:17:00,100 --> 00:17:01,500 LESS SAFE PLACE. 558 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:03,333 WE HAVE NO ASSURANCE WE WILL BE 559 00:17:03,333 --> 00:17:04,900 ABLE TO GET A MIRROR IN THE 560 00:17:04,900 --> 00:17:06,500 OTHER AMERICAN'S HOME AND WE 561 00:17:06,500 --> 00:17:08,033 PRESS FOR IT EVERYDAY BUT WE NOW 562 00:17:08,033 --> 00:17:09,433 HAVE SOMETHING WE DIDN'T HAVE 563 00:17:09,433 --> 00:17:11,133 PREVIOUSLY, DIRECT NEGOTIATIONS 564 00:17:11,133 --> 00:17:13,033 WITH THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT ON 565 00:17:13,033 --> 00:17:15,333 THIS QUESTION. 566 00:17:15,333 --> 00:17:16,966 I MET WITH FOREIGN MINISTER 567 00:17:16,966 --> 00:17:19,233 ZARIF MYSELF SO WHILE IT'S HARD 568 00:17:19,233 --> 00:17:21,266 TO MEASURE PROGRESS THAT DOESN'T 569 00:17:21,266 --> 00:17:22,866 INCLUDE HIS FREEDOM WHEN WE 570 00:17:22,866 --> 00:17:24,000 THINK ABOUT WHERE WE WERE A 571 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,400 COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN AMIR 572 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:28,100 WAS FACING A DEATH SENTENCE AND 573 00:17:28,100 --> 00:17:29,333 THERE WAS THOUGH DIRECT 574 00:17:29,333 --> 00:17:30,066 COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE U.S. 575 00:17:30,066 --> 00:17:32,933 AND IRAN AND WHERE WE ARE NOW 576 00:17:32,933 --> 00:17:34,366 WHERE HE IS NO LONGER FACING A 577 00:17:34,366 --> 00:17:36,133 DEATH SENTENCE, SERVING A 578 00:17:36,133 --> 00:17:38,466 TEN-YEAR TERM FOR SOMETHING HE 579 00:17:38,466 --> 00:17:40,433 IS NOT GUILTY OF BUT WE CAN 580 00:17:40,433 --> 00:17:42,266 ACTUALLY WORK TO TRY TO FREE HIM 581 00:17:42,266 --> 00:17:43,566 IT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT 582 00:17:43,566 --> 00:17:44,966 DIRECTION BUT WE STILL HAVE A 583 00:17:44,966 --> 00:17:46,266 LONG WAY TO GO AND OBVIOUSLY I 584 00:17:46,266 --> 00:17:48,000 WON'T BE SATISFIED UNTIL HE IS 585 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:48,700 HOME. 586 00:17:48,700 --> 00:17:50,466 >> IS GOVERNOR SNYDER RIGHT IN 587 00:17:50,466 --> 00:17:51,700 RUNNING THE ADMINISTRATION IN 588 00:17:51,700 --> 00:17:53,500 WASHINGTON TO CREATE THIS BY 589 00:17:53,500 --> 00:17:55,766 PARTISAN GROUP TO LOOK AT THE 590 00:17:55,766 --> 00:17:57,300 VETTING PROCESS OF REFUGEES? 591 00:17:57,300 --> 00:17:59,233 >> NO, LOOK, THE REFUGEES ARE 592 00:17:59,233 --> 00:18:01,933 VICTIMS OF TERROR, THE IDEA THAT 593 00:18:01,933 --> 00:18:09,966 WE SOMEHOW NOW HAVE CONFLATED 594 00:18:09,966 --> 00:18:14,033 THEM WITH TERROR IS A POLITICAL 595 00:18:14,033 --> 00:18:15,333 GESTURE THAT HAS NO PLACE IN THE 596 00:18:15,333 --> 00:18:15,733 CONVERSATION. 597 00:18:15,733 --> 00:18:16,966 I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE 598 00:18:16,966 --> 00:18:18,366 VETTING PROCESS AND HAVE BEEN 599 00:18:18,366 --> 00:18:20,433 WORKING WITH THE SYRIAN AMERICAN 600 00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:22,433 COMMUNITY IN FLINT TO TALK ABOUT 601 00:18:22,433 --> 00:18:23,966 RESETTLEMENT. 602 00:18:23,966 --> 00:18:25,233 IN FACT, I WAS ENTHUSIASTIC WHEN 603 00:18:25,233 --> 00:18:27,333 THE GOVERNOR INITIATED THE 604 00:18:27,333 --> 00:18:28,033 EFFORT TO RESETTLE AND I THINK 605 00:18:28,033 --> 00:18:29,466 IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 606 00:18:29,466 --> 00:18:31,400 NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO SHOW ME 607 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,700 THAT THE PROCESS ITSELF IS NOT 608 00:18:33,700 --> 00:18:34,100 EXHAUSTED. 609 00:18:34,100 --> 00:18:39,333 IT TAKES 18-24 MONTHS TO GET A 610 00:18:39,333 --> 00:18:40,900 PERSON THROUGH THAT PROCESS 611 00:18:40,900 --> 00:18:47,366 WHEREAS JUST THE PASSPORT HELD 612 00:18:47,366 --> 00:18:49,466 BY A PERSON OF SYRIAN DECENT WHO 613 00:18:49,466 --> 00:18:58,300 MAY BE A FRENCH OR BELGIAN 614 00:18:58,300 --> 00:18:59,133 PERSON. 615 00:18:59,133 --> 00:19:00,266 >> THE VETTING PROCESS IS 616 00:19:00,266 --> 00:19:00,566 WORKING. 617 00:19:00,566 --> 00:19:03,266 >> IT WORKS BUT THE VISA WAIVER 618 00:19:03,266 --> 00:19:04,233 PROGRAM AND THE PRESIDENT IS 619 00:19:04,233 --> 00:19:05,966 ADDRESSING THIS A VISA WAIVER 620 00:19:05,966 --> 00:19:08,200 PROGRAM TO ALLOW A PERSON WITH 621 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,033 AN OMINOUS BACKGROUND WHO 622 00:19:10,033 --> 00:19:11,933 HAPPENS TO POSSES A EUROPEAN 623 00:19:11,933 --> 00:19:12,833 PASSPORT TO SIMPLY GET ON A 624 00:19:12,833 --> 00:19:15,633 PLANE IN PARIS AND BE IN NEW 625 00:19:15,633 --> 00:19:15,900 YORK. 626 00:19:15,900 --> 00:19:17,933 OUR BILL, THE BILL THE DEMOCRATS 627 00:19:17,933 --> 00:19:19,333 TRIED TO NEGOTIATE WITH SPEAKER 628 00:19:19,333 --> 00:19:21,966 RYAN THEY SET US ASIDE WOULD 629 00:19:21,966 --> 00:19:24,133 HAVE DEALT WITH THAT PROBLEM. 630 00:19:24,133 --> 00:19:26,166 IT WAS UNIVERSALLY UNDERSTOOD IN 631 00:19:26,166 --> 00:19:27,300 WASHINGTON BY PEOPLE ON BOTH 632 00:19:27,300 --> 00:19:29,200 SIDES OF THE QUESTION THAT THE 633 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,933 REASON FOR THE LEGISLATION TO 634 00:19:31,933 --> 00:19:33,900 SORT OF SLOW DOWN OR HALT THE 635 00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:36,233 PROCESS OF SYRIAN REFUGEE 636 00:19:36,233 --> 00:19:37,666 RESETTLEMENT WAS ENTIRELY 637 00:19:37,666 --> 00:19:38,066 POLITICAL. 638 00:19:38,066 --> 00:19:39,800 I MEAN I TALKED TO FOLKS ON BOTH 639 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,966 SIDES OF THE AISLE AND SAY I 640 00:19:41,966 --> 00:19:44,233 CAN'T GO HOME AND EXPLAIN WHY I 641 00:19:44,233 --> 00:19:45,266 VOTED AGAINST OR FOR THIS 642 00:19:45,266 --> 00:19:46,766 PARTICULAR LEGISLATION. 643 00:19:46,766 --> 00:19:48,300 IT WAS ENTIRELY POLITICAL. 644 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:51,333 I THINK IT'S A REALLY DANGEROUS 645 00:19:51,333 --> 00:19:52,633 PLACE FOR US TO GO AS A COUNTRY 646 00:19:52,633 --> 00:19:54,200 WHEN WE START THINKING ABOUT 647 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,400 VICTIMS OF VIOLENCE WHO ARE 648 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,866 SEEKING SHELTER FROM THE UNITED 649 00:19:58,866 --> 00:19:59,966 STATES WHO DON'T HAPPEN TO LOOK 650 00:19:59,966 --> 00:20:02,000 LIKE A LOT OF AMERICANS PERHAPS, 651 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,400 MAYBE THAT IS THE ISSUE, SOMEHOW 652 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,933 ALL THE SUDDEN BEING THE PROBLEM 653 00:20:06,933 --> 00:20:11,000 WHEN WE ARE SORT OF RIGHTFULLY 654 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,466 SAD OVER THE VICTIM'S OF 655 00:20:12,466 --> 00:20:14,400 VIOLENCE THAT WE SAW IN PARIS, 656 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,666 IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING, 657 00:20:15,666 --> 00:20:18,033 THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEKING 658 00:20:18,033 --> 00:20:19,300 REFUGE IN THE UNITED STATES ARE 659 00:20:19,300 --> 00:20:20,066 VICTIMS OF TERROR. 660 00:20:20,066 --> 00:20:21,933 IF WE REALLY WANT TO FIGHT 661 00:20:21,933 --> 00:20:23,133 TERROR WE ALSO HAVE TO BE 662 00:20:23,133 --> 00:20:24,600 WILLING TO SAY THAT WE WILL HELP 663 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,366 THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEKING 664 00:20:26,366 --> 00:20:27,333 REFUGE. 665 00:20:27,333 --> 00:20:28,900 >> THEY WILL SAY ARE YOU THAT 666 00:20:28,900 --> 00:20:30,333 NAIVE PEOPLE WOULDN'T TRY TO 667 00:20:30,333 --> 00:20:31,466 SNEAK IN UNDER THE COVER. 668 00:20:31,466 --> 00:20:34,133 >> I'M NOT NAIVE AT ALL BUT 669 00:20:34,133 --> 00:20:35,566 UNDERSTAND HOW THE PROCESS WORKS 670 00:20:35,566 --> 00:20:38,500 AND IF IT TAKES 18-24 MONTHS AND 671 00:20:38,500 --> 00:20:40,233 IT TAKES LET ME JUST PUT IT THIS 672 00:20:40,233 --> 00:20:45,033 WAY 23,000 PEOPLE APPLIED FOR 673 00:20:45,033 --> 00:20:46,766 REFUGE STATUS FOR ASYLUM. 674 00:20:46,766 --> 00:20:49,400 ONLY 7,000 OF THEM QUALIFIED FOR 675 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,266 US TO EVEN LOOK AT THEM IN A VET 676 00:20:52,266 --> 00:20:54,233 NUMBER ONLY 2000 MADE IT 677 00:20:54,233 --> 00:20:57,066 THROUGH, 98% OF THEM ARE WOMEN, 678 00:20:57,066 --> 00:20:59,366 CHILDREN AND ELDERLY. 679 00:20:59,366 --> 00:21:01,266 ONLY A COUPLE PERCENT ARE 680 00:21:01,266 --> 00:21:04,533 MILITARY-AGE MALES WHICH IS THE 681 00:21:04,533 --> 00:21:06,433 OBVIOUS PROFILE THAT MORE ALIGNS 682 00:21:06,433 --> 00:21:08,966 WITH I.S.I.S. OR OTHER 683 00:21:08,966 --> 00:21:10,333 TERRORISTS AND THE PROCESS OF 684 00:21:10,333 --> 00:21:12,400 ACTUALLY FINDING OUT WHO THESE 685 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,333 PEOPLE ARE IT'S PRETTY 686 00:21:14,333 --> 00:21:15,000 EXHAUSTIVE. 687 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,533 THE PROBLEM IS IT'S ALL TIED UP 688 00:21:16,533 --> 00:21:20,366 NOW IN IMMIGRATION QUESTION 689 00:21:20,366 --> 00:21:21,533 WHERE WE SEE CANDIDATES FOR 690 00:21:21,533 --> 00:21:24,333 PRESIDENT, THE LEADING CANDIDATE 691 00:21:24,333 --> 00:21:26,333 FOR PRESIDENT, DONALD TRUMP, I 692 00:21:26,333 --> 00:21:27,766 CAN'T BELIEVE I JUST SAID THAT 693 00:21:27,766 --> 00:21:30,166 BUT THAT IS THE REALITY, FUELING 694 00:21:30,166 --> 00:21:33,733 HIS CAMPAIGN ON FEAR, ON ANGER 695 00:21:33,733 --> 00:21:36,300 AND QUITE FRANKLY ON IGNORANCE 696 00:21:36,300 --> 00:21:37,533 AND TAKING THIS ISSUE AND 697 00:21:37,533 --> 00:21:38,400 RUNNING WITH IT. 698 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,466 IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS PLACE FOR 699 00:21:40,466 --> 00:21:41,366 US TO BE. 700 00:21:41,366 --> 00:21:42,933 >> CONGRESSMAN, YOU COME FROM 701 00:21:42,933 --> 00:21:45,033 FLINT, YOU WERE BORN AND BROUGHT 702 00:21:45,033 --> 00:21:46,566 UP THERE, IT'S THE MOST DEN 703 00:21:46,566 --> 00:21:49,600 GRATED CITY OR ONE OF THEM IN 704 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,333 THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, MOST CRIME, 705 00:21:52,333 --> 00:21:55,433 MOST VIOLENT, MOST POVERTY, WHAT 706 00:21:55,433 --> 00:21:57,000 DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE IN 707 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,066 WASHINGTON, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN 708 00:21:58,066 --> 00:21:59,233 TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC ABOUT 709 00:21:59,233 --> 00:22:02,133 FLINT AND ITS PROSPECTS FOR THE 710 00:22:02,133 --> 00:22:02,900 FUTURE? 711 00:22:02,900 --> 00:22:04,566 >> IT'S INTERESTING YOU ASKED, I 712 00:22:04,566 --> 00:22:06,066 RAISED IT AT THE WHITE HOUSE 713 00:22:06,066 --> 00:22:06,700 YESTERDAY. 714 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:08,166 FLINT IS A LOT LIKE A LOT OF 715 00:22:08,166 --> 00:22:09,733 OTHER COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE 716 00:22:09,733 --> 00:22:11,133 NORTHEAST AND MIDWEST, CITIES 717 00:22:11,133 --> 00:22:12,666 THAT HAVE ESSENTIALLY BEEN LEFT 718 00:22:12,666 --> 00:22:12,966 BEHIND. 719 00:22:12,966 --> 00:22:15,033 WHAT I BELIEVE IS THAT THESE 720 00:22:15,033 --> 00:22:16,700 PLACES, THESE OLDER INDUSTRIAL 721 00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:19,200 COMMUNITIES THEY HAVE FAILED IN 722 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,633 MANY WAYS BECAUSE OF BAD POLICY 723 00:22:21,633 --> 00:22:24,233 AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, BAD POLICY 724 00:22:24,233 --> 00:22:26,100 AT THE STATE LEVEL BUT WE CAN'T 725 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:27,066 EXPECT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN 726 00:22:27,066 --> 00:22:29,933 THE COMMUNITY TO OVERCOME POLICY 727 00:22:29,933 --> 00:22:32,100 THAT IS REALLY BEEN -- HAS 728 00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:34,466 RELOCATED WEALTH AND ECONOMIC 729 00:22:34,466 --> 00:22:36,300 ACTIVITY OUT OF THE COMMUNITIES 730 00:22:36,300 --> 00:22:37,766 AND EXPECT THEM TO FIX THE 731 00:22:37,766 --> 00:22:38,100 PROBLEM. 732 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:39,400 >> YOU LEFT OUT THE LOCAL 733 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,100 PEOPLE, YOU SAID STATE AND 734 00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:42,433 FEDERAL. 735 00:22:42,433 --> 00:22:44,533 >> STATE AND FEDERAL POLICY FOR 736 00:22:44,533 --> 00:22:46,133 SURE IS THE PRIMARY DRIVER OF 737 00:22:46,133 --> 00:22:48,400 THE RELOCATION OF WEALTH AND 738 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,300 ECONOMIC ACTIVITY OUT OF OLDER 739 00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:52,700 COMMUNITIES, REGIONAL PLAYERS 740 00:22:52,700 --> 00:22:54,366 CERTAINLY PLAY A ROLE AND 741 00:22:54,366 --> 00:22:57,400 CLEARLY THERE HAVE BEEN LOCAL 742 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:58,633 MUNICIPAL DECISIONS THAT 743 00:22:58,633 --> 00:22:59,500 EXACERBATED THE PROBLEM BUT THE 744 00:22:59,500 --> 00:23:00,666 PROBLEM IS THIS WHEN WE GO TO 745 00:23:00,666 --> 00:23:02,333 LOOK A THE SOLUTION FOR A PLACE 746 00:23:02,333 --> 00:23:06,033 LIKE FLINT IT SEEMS LIKE THE WAY 747 00:23:06,033 --> 00:23:07,566 POLICY APPROACHES US IS THAT 748 00:23:07,566 --> 00:23:10,133 IT'S ENTIRELY INCUMBENT UPON THE 749 00:23:10,133 --> 00:23:12,333 PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE TO SOLVE A 750 00:23:12,333 --> 00:23:13,033 PROBLEM THAT THE FEDERAL 751 00:23:13,033 --> 00:23:15,366 GOVERNMENT CONTRIBUTED TO IN 752 00:23:15,366 --> 00:23:16,433 CREATING, THAT THE STATE 753 00:23:16,433 --> 00:23:18,633 GOVERNMENT CONTRIBUTED TO, THAT 754 00:23:18,633 --> 00:23:20,933 THE COUNTIES, THE REGIONAL 755 00:23:20,933 --> 00:23:23,000 GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WAS INVOLVED 756 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,800 IN CREATING. 757 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:25,633 >> TALKING ABOUT THAT WHAT ABOUT 758 00:23:25,633 --> 00:23:27,633 THE WATER PROBLEM IN FLINT? 759 00:23:27,633 --> 00:23:29,933 BY THE WAY HAVE YOU DRUNK ANY 760 00:23:29,933 --> 00:23:31,333 FLINT WATER IN THE LAST 18 761 00:23:31,333 --> 00:23:31,866 MONTHS? 762 00:23:31,866 --> 00:23:34,733 >> I DO AND WE HAVE A FILTER. 763 00:23:34,733 --> 00:23:37,500 IT'S A TERRIBLE MISTAKE. 764 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:40,300 IT IS A FAILURE OF GOVERNMENT. 765 00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:42,466 I THINK IT SPEAKS TO A COUPLE OF 766 00:23:42,466 --> 00:23:43,966 THINGS, ONE, THE FACT THAT WE 767 00:23:43,966 --> 00:23:45,800 HAVE NOT INVESTED IN 768 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:46,800 INFRASTRUCTURE GENERALLY IN 769 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,400 THESE OLDER PLACES IS A SHAME 770 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,866 BECAUSE WE -- THEY DON'T HAVE 771 00:23:49,866 --> 00:23:52,333 THE TOOLS TO COMPETE IN THE 21ST 772 00:23:52,333 --> 00:23:54,133 CENTURY ECONOMY AS LONG AS THEY 773 00:23:54,133 --> 00:23:57,366 ARE STUCK WITH AGING ROADS, 774 00:23:57,366 --> 00:23:58,633 BRIDGES, WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS 775 00:23:58,633 --> 00:24:00,833 BUT I THINK THIS ISSUE REALLY 776 00:24:00,833 --> 00:24:02,466 SPEAKS TO A LARGER PROBLEM. 777 00:24:02,466 --> 00:24:05,900 TO LOOK AT A CITY LIKE FLINT AND 778 00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:09,266 THINK THAT ITS SOLE PROBLEM IS 779 00:24:09,266 --> 00:24:10,366 ITS BALANCE SHEET AND ALL WE 780 00:24:10,366 --> 00:24:12,166 NEED TO DO IS FIX THE BALANCE 781 00:24:12,166 --> 00:24:13,966 SHEET IS WHAT LED TO THE 782 00:24:13,966 --> 00:24:18,233 DECISION THAT SAID OH, WOW, THIS 783 00:24:18,233 --> 00:24:20,133 FLINT RIVER WATER IS A LOT 784 00:24:20,133 --> 00:24:22,066 CHEAPER SO LET'S USE THAT. 785 00:24:22,066 --> 00:24:24,533 NOT THINKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY 786 00:24:24,533 --> 00:24:27,066 AS A SOCIETY. 787 00:24:27,066 --> 00:24:28,533 BUT THINKING ABOUT IT AS A 788 00:24:28,533 --> 00:24:31,433 CORPORATION WHERE YOU CAN SORT 789 00:24:31,433 --> 00:24:34,133 OF SLASH THE COSTS AND THINGS 790 00:24:34,133 --> 00:24:35,033 ARE BETTER. 791 00:24:35,033 --> 00:24:36,433 WELL WHAT THIS PROVES IS THAT 792 00:24:36,433 --> 00:24:38,400 BALANCE SHEET APPROACH, THAT 793 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,400 SORT OF BEAN COUNTER APPROACH TO 794 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,000 COMMUNITIES HAS CONSEQUENCES. 795 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,300 AND IN THIS CASE THE CONSEQUENCE 796 00:24:44,300 --> 00:24:46,600 IS THAT ABOUT 7,000 CHILDREN 797 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,566 UNDER THE AGE OF FIVE HAVE BEEN 798 00:24:48,566 --> 00:24:50,966 EXPOSED TO HIGH LEVELS OF LEAD 799 00:24:50,966 --> 00:24:52,700 IN THEIR WATER WHICH WILL HAVE A 800 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:54,966 PERMANENT EFFECT ON THE 801 00:24:54,966 --> 00:24:56,066 TRAJECTORY OF THEIR LIVES. 802 00:24:56,066 --> 00:24:58,066 >> SO YOU THINK FLINT SHOULD 803 00:24:58,066 --> 00:24:59,966 HAVE STAYED HOOKED UP TO DETROIT 804 00:24:59,966 --> 00:25:02,166 WATER UNTIL THE PIPELINE BUILT 805 00:25:02,166 --> 00:25:05,400 TO LAKE HURON GOES INTO EFFECT 806 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,966 NEXT YEAR INSTEAD OF SWITCHING 807 00:25:07,966 --> 00:25:09,400 DURING THE 18 MONTHS TO THE 808 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,900 FLINT RIVER TO SAVE MONEY. 809 00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:12,833 >> SURE AND IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT 810 00:25:12,833 --> 00:25:14,466 COULD HAVE HAPPENED AND, IN 811 00:25:14,466 --> 00:25:15,766 FACT, IT'S INTERESTING TO NOTE 812 00:25:15,766 --> 00:25:16,600 AT THE TIME THE DECISION WAS 813 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,566 MADE THE STATE OF MICHIGAN HAD 814 00:25:18,566 --> 00:25:20,266 PRETTY MUCH TOTAL CONTROL OVER 815 00:25:20,266 --> 00:25:22,133 THE CITY OF FLINT AND THE CITY 816 00:25:22,133 --> 00:25:23,833 OF DETROIT AND COULD HAVE MADE 817 00:25:23,833 --> 00:25:25,633 THAT DECISION WITHOUT MUCH 818 00:25:25,633 --> 00:25:28,200 DIFFICULTY. 819 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,366 WHAT IS MORE TROUBLING IS THERE 820 00:25:29,366 --> 00:25:31,133 WAS ALMOST NO SCIENCE APPLIED TO 821 00:25:31,133 --> 00:25:32,266 THE QUESTION IN THE FIRST PLACE. 822 00:25:32,266 --> 00:25:33,866 IT WOULD HAVE MADE MORE SENSE TO 823 00:25:33,866 --> 00:25:35,200 CONTINUE TO USE THE DETROIT 824 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,866 WATER UNTIL THE LINE WAS 825 00:25:37,866 --> 00:25:38,966 COMPLETE. 826 00:25:38,966 --> 00:25:40,300 BUT ONE WOULD HAVE EXPECTED THAT 827 00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:41,933 IF A DECISION IS BEING MADE TO 828 00:25:41,933 --> 00:25:45,266 GO FROM THE COLDEST, DEEPEST, 829 00:25:45,266 --> 00:25:47,133 FRESHEST WATER SURFACE WATER ON 830 00:25:47,133 --> 00:25:50,233 THE PLANET TO THE FLINT RIVER 831 00:25:50,233 --> 00:25:53,000 THAT A LITTLE BIT OF SCIENTIFIC 832 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,900 INQUIRY INTO WHAT THAT CHANGE 833 00:25:54,900 --> 00:25:57,266 WOULD MEAN MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN 834 00:25:57,266 --> 00:25:57,533 ORDER. 835 00:25:57,533 --> 00:25:58,900 >> NONE WAS DONE, WE HAVE TEN 836 00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:00,100 SECONDS, WANT TO RUN FOR 837 00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:01,233 GOVERNOR? 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