WEBVTT 00:03.466 --> 00:04.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% >> WELCOME BACK. 00:04.566 --> 00:05.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% POLITICAL CONSULTANT HOWARD 00:05.133 --> 00:05.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% EDELSON IS OUR GUEST THIS WEEK 00:05.733 --> 00:06.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% WITH SOME INSIDER REFLECTIONS ON 00:06.366 --> 00:06.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5% PROPOSAL ONE. 00:06.966 --> 00:07.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THE CRUSHING DEFEAT OF THE SALES 00:07.600 --> 00:08.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% TAX HIKE IS OUR LEAD STORY AND 00:08.200 --> 00:12.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% HERE TO DIGEST IT ARE: 00:12.566 --> 00:13.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% ZOE CLARK, JONATHON OOSTING, AND 00:13.200 --> 00:15.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30% SUSAN DEMAS. 00:15.566 --> 00:16.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% SIT IN WITH US AS WE GET THE 00:16.133 --> 00:24.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% INSIDE, OUT..."OFF THE RECORD. " 00:24.100 --> 00:28.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% PRODUCTION OF-OFF IS MADE 00:28.700 --> 01:18.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% POSSIBLE. 01:18.466 --> 01:19.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND 01:19.266 --> 01:23.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% WELCOME BACK TO OUR PROGRAM, AND 01:23.300 --> 01:25.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% YES OR NO, WERE YOU SURPRISED BY 01:25.700 --> 01:27.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% TUESDAY'S ELECTION RESULTS? 01:27.700 --> 01:28.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:45% >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. 01:28.400 --> 01:29.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:15% >> NO. 01:29.400 --> 01:30.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> NOT THAT SURPRISED, BUT FOR 01:30.800 --> 01:32.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20% THE ONE. 01:32.600 --> 01:36.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% >> I HAD 65-35 IN THE POOL. 01:36.500 --> 01:40.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30% >> I HAD 68. 01:40.200 --> 01:42.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% AND NO ONE THOUGHT 80/20, THE 01:42.733 --> 01:45.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% WORST IN DECADES AND DECADES. 01:45.533 --> 01:46.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5% >> AND YEARS. 01:46.033 --> 01:48.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% BUT WHO IS COUNTING? 01:48.733 --> 01:50.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> THEY HAD IT AT 29,000, THE 01:50.833 --> 01:54.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5% POLL, BUT THEY ARE. 01:54.533 --> 01:55.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT 01:55.733 --> 01:57.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% HAPPENED THE DAY AFTER IF WE 01:57.133 --> 01:57.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:10% CAN. 01:57.833 --> 01:59.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% AFTER THE GOVERNOR TO BED IN THE 01:59.633 --> 02:00.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% TOWEL LAST NIGHT ON PROPOSAL 02:00.933 --> 02:03.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% ONE, DEMOCRATS TODAY WERE 02:03.233 --> 02:04.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% COMPLAINING THAT THERE WAS NO 02:04.333 --> 02:05.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% SENSE OF URGENCY IN THE 02:05.633 --> 02:08.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE, AS SOME 02:08.233 --> 02:11.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% LAWMAKERS WERE IN HOLLAND AT THE 02:11.033 --> 02:12.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:37.5% TULIP FESTIVAL. 02:12.533 --> 02:14.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% >> I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A 02:14.066 --> 02:16.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% STANDARD THING AS LONG AS I'VE 02:16.066 --> 02:16.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% BEEN HERE. 02:16.666 --> 02:18.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% THIS IS MY THIRD TERM, AND I 02:18.866 --> 02:20.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THINK THEY HAVE DONE IT EVERY 02:20.800 --> 02:21.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% YEAR, AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT 02:21.800 --> 02:24.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE 02:24.400 --> 02:24.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% ELECTION. 02:24.800 --> 02:25.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% >> IT'S A SHAME THAT THE 02:25.800 --> 02:27.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% REPUBLICANS ARE TIPTOEING 02:27.300 --> 02:29.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THROUGH THE TULIPS IN HOLLAND 02:29.900 --> 02:32.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% INSTEAD OF DOING THEIR JOB. 02:32.400 --> 02:32.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% >> THIS IS TRADITION. 02:32.900 --> 02:34.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% >> THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT 02:34.400 --> 02:36.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:17.5% THINGS. 02:36.000 --> 02:39.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> LUCKILY, THE LEGISLATURE IS 02:39.000 --> 02:39.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:10% OFF. 02:39.300 --> 02:41.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% BUT HIS COUNTERPART IS WILLING 02:41.700 --> 02:43.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% TO WORK IN THE SUMMER. 02:43.600 --> 02:46.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% BUT GIVING THE ORDER TO WORK 02:46.000 --> 02:48.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% DURING THE SUMMER, THE GOVERNOR 02:48.133 --> 02:48.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5% PARTICIPATED. 02:48.933 --> 02:51.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> THEY SAID THEIR SCHEDULE-- 02:51.233 --> 02:52.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> THE HOUSE REPUBLICAN SPEAKER 02:52.633 --> 02:55.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% SAID HE IS OPEN TO A SUMMER 02:55.433 --> 02:56.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% SESSION, BUT HE WANTS TO GET 02:56.833 --> 02:58.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% THIS DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 02:58.533 --> 03:01.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% ON THE SALES FRONT, 64% OF THE 03:01.133 --> 03:03.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% VOTERS WOULD FAVOR A STAND-ALONE 03:03.633 --> 03:06.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% SALES TAX HIKE IF ALL OF THE 03:06.433 --> 03:07.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% MONEY WENT TO THE ROADS. 03:07.933 --> 03:09.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THE REPUBLICAN SPEAKER IS NOT 03:09.133 --> 03:11.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% SURE THAT THE CRUMBLING ROADS 03:11.133 --> 03:13.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% CAN WAIT FOR A VOTE ON THAT. 03:13.333 --> 03:14.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> THE SALES TAX WAS VIEWED IN 03:14.833 --> 03:16.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THE BEST SOURCE FOR NEW REVENUE, 03:16.933 --> 03:19.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% AND I THINK NOW THAT HAS BEEN 03:19.033 --> 03:20.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% TAKEN OFF THE TABLE, BECAUSE 03:20.366 --> 03:22.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% WHILE THE VOTERS MAY NOT OPPOSE 03:22.500 --> 03:24.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% A STAND-ALONE, WE HAVE TO BE 03:24.600 --> 03:26.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% SENSITIVE TO THE TIMING, BECAUSE 03:26.300 --> 03:28.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THE COST IS GOING UP BY THE DAY. 03:28.600 --> 03:31.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> AS FOR THE HOUSE DEMOCRATS, 03:31.200 --> 03:34.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% IS THE SALES TAX OPTION DEAD. 03:34.200 --> 03:35.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO 03:35.200 --> 03:38.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% BE RELUCTANT TO PUT A SALES TAX 03:38.100 --> 03:40.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% OPTION BEFORE THE VOTERS AFTER 03:40.300 --> 03:41.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% YESTERDAY. 03:41.000 --> 03:43.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> SO, GIVE US 20 SECONDS ON WHY 03:43.400 --> 03:45.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THIS FAILED, OTHER THAN THE FACT 03:45.300 --> 03:46.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT. 03:46.900 --> 03:49.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5% >> ONLY 20 SECONDS? 03:49.100 --> 03:50.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% THERE'S EVERY REASON. 03:50.300 --> 03:52.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% SOME DON'T LIKE TAXES AND SOME 03:52.600 --> 03:54.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% DON'T LIKE THE REPUBLICAN 03:54.133 --> 03:55.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% GOVERNMENT AND SOME THOUGHT THAT 03:55.933 --> 03:57.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% IT WAS TOO CONFUSING. 03:57.333 --> 03:58.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% I THINK THAT EVERYBODY AGREES 03:58.633 --> 04:00.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% THAT THE MESSAGE WAS TERRIBLE. 04:00.633 --> 04:02.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> I THINK THAT EVERYBODY IS 04:02.433 --> 04:03.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:15% ANGRY. 04:03.933 --> 04:06.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> WITHOUT TIMEOUT HIGHER THAN 04:06.433 --> 04:09.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% PEOPLE THOUGHT, THEY HAD STRONG 04:09.233 --> 04:10.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% FEELINGS ON THIS ISSUE. 04:10.533 --> 04:12.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% IT WAS NOT PERSONAL PROPERTY 04:12.633 --> 04:14.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% TAXES FROM LAST YEAR. 04:14.033 --> 04:15.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% PEOPLE KNEW ABOUT THIS, AND THEY 04:15.133 --> 04:16.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% WERE AWARE, AND THEY GOT OUT 04:16.833 --> 04:17.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% THERE AND VOTED. 04:17.833 --> 04:20.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% STILL RELATIVELY LOW TIMEOUT. 04:20.866 --> 04:23.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> FOR A MAY-- I THINK THAT A 04:23.666 --> 04:25.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% LOT OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE 04:25.166 --> 04:26.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% IDEA THAT I HEARD OVER AND OVER 04:26.866 --> 04:28.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% AGAIN, WHICH WAS, WE DON'T WANT 04:28.400 --> 04:31.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% TO SAY OKAY TO PUNTING THE ISSUE 04:31.400 --> 04:32.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% TO VOTERS. 04:32.200 --> 04:35.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> THAT'S YOUR JOB, LANSING. 04:35.000 --> 04:35.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:27.5% >> EXACTLY. 04:35.600 --> 04:37.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% AND WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE SAID 04:37.300 --> 04:38.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY 04:38.100 --> 04:39.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% COULD HAVE SUPPORTED OR PARTS OF 04:39.900 --> 04:42.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% IT, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO REWARD 04:42.500 --> 04:43.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% LAWMAKERS. 04:43.700 --> 04:45.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> BRING A BALLOT PROPOSAL OF 04:45.900 --> 04:48.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THE PAST WITHOUT THE GOODIES IN 04:48.200 --> 04:51.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% 64% OF THE PEOPLE SUPPORT THAT. 04:51.200 --> 04:53.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> BUT AGAIN, THIS GOES TO THE 04:53.200 --> 04:54.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% POLITICAL REALITY THAT THAT WAS 04:54.600 --> 04:56.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% IMPOSSIBLE AT THE TIME. 04:56.200 --> 04:57.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT 04:57.800 --> 04:59.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5% EVERYBODY LOOKS AT. 04:59.000 --> 04:59.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THIS WOULD HAVE PASSED AND IT 04:59.900 --> 05:02.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% WOULD HAVE, BUT THE POLITICAL 05:02.133 --> 05:04.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% DYNAMICS IN THE SUMMER. 05:04.733 --> 05:05.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> WANTED POLITICAL PARTY ON 05:05.633 --> 05:07.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:35% THIS, CORRECT? 05:07.433 --> 05:07.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:35% >> ABSOLUTELY. 05:07.833 --> 05:09.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% AND I THINK TO LOOK TO THE 05:09.133 --> 05:10.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% GOVERNOR TO SOME KIND OF 05:10.633 --> 05:11.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% RELATIONSHIP WITH DEMOCRATS AS 05:11.633 --> 05:12.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:17.5% HE DID. 05:12.333 --> 05:16.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% WHY THE EITC WAS PART OF THE 05:16.433 --> 05:17.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% BALLOT AND WHY MONEY FOR 05:17.633 --> 05:20.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% EDUCATION IS PART OF THE BALLOT 05:20.133 --> 05:21.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% AND HE HAS TO LOOK AT THAT TOO. 05:21.733 --> 05:23.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> I'M NOT SURE WHAT A CLEAN 05:23.833 --> 05:25.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% PROPOSAL OF THE PAST IS, BECAUSE 05:25.933 --> 05:28.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE 05:28.333 --> 05:30.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% MONEY FOR ROADS IS NOT THERE. 05:30.133 --> 05:31.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% I PAY MY MONEY AT THE PUMPS IS 05:31.933 --> 05:34.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% AND WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING? 05:34.266 --> 05:35.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% AND IF YOU DID NOT EXPLAIN THAT 05:35.966 --> 05:38.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% TO THEM, PEOPLE DO NOT TRUST 05:38.366 --> 05:39.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% LAWMAKERS AND THE GOVERNOR ON 05:39.766 --> 05:40.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:27.5% THIS ISSUE. 05:40.666 --> 05:42.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> AND AS WE KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T 05:42.366 --> 05:43.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% GENERALLY VOTE TO RAISE THEIR 05:43.666 --> 05:47.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% OWN TAXES ON A STATE-WIDE 05:47.066 --> 05:49.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% PROPOSAL. 05:49.166 --> 05:51.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> NO, YOU HAD PROPOSAL A, BUT 05:51.066 --> 05:53.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5% THAT WAS A TAX CUT. 05:53.266 --> 05:55.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% AND ACTUALLY RAISING TAXES, THAT 05:55.666 --> 05:58.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% FELL TIME AND TIME AGAIN. 05:58.066 --> 05:59.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> AND IT GOES BACK TO THERE 05:59.666 --> 06:02.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% WASN'T AN EITHER/OR PLAN, YOU'RE 06:02.566 --> 06:04.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% NOT VOTING FOR OPTION ONE OR 06:04.466 --> 06:04.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:10% TWO. 06:04.866 --> 06:06.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% THIS WAS VOTE FOR THIS OR NOT, 06:06.866 --> 06:09.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% AND WE'LL GO BACK TO THE DRAWING 06:09.000 --> 06:09.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:15% BOARD. 06:09.300 --> 06:11.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THE OPPONENTS KEPT SAYING, THIS 06:11.000 --> 06:13.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% IS NOT A PLAN B. 06:13.900 --> 06:16.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% BUT VOTERS DEEP DOWN KNEW, WE'RE 06:16.300 --> 06:18.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% GOING TO SAY NO, AND FOLKS WILL 06:18.500 --> 06:20.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% COME BACK TOGETHER FOR GOOD OR 06:20.433 --> 06:21.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% WORSE, AND IF THE ROADS ARE SO 06:21.933 --> 06:23.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% BAD, WE'LL NEED TO COME UP WITH 06:23.633 --> 06:24.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:37.5% ANOTHER OPTION. 06:24.533 --> 06:26.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% >> LET'S PURSUE THIS OTHER 06:26.233 --> 06:27.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% OPTION, DO YOU THINK THAT THE 06:27.533 --> 06:29.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% SALES TAX IS DEAD AS AN OPTION. 06:29.433 --> 06:31.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% >> YES, I DON'T THINK FOR 06:31.533 --> 06:33.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% ANYBODY TO DO BACK TO THE 06:33.333 --> 06:35.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% BALLOT, THAT SAID, IF WE HAVE 06:35.033 --> 06:36.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% ANOTHER TWO YEARS OF LEGISLATIVE 06:36.833 --> 06:38.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% DEBATE, IF NOTHING HAPPENS, 06:38.733 --> 06:41.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% THERE COULD BE A PLAN B. 06:41.966 --> 06:43.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% >> AND LAWMAKERS? 06:43.166 --> 06:45.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> SOME LAWMAKERS HAVE SAID IT, 06:45.366 --> 06:46.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THEY'RE NOT COMPLETELY SAYING NO 06:46.766 --> 06:47.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:35% TO EVERYTHING. 06:47.566 --> 06:48.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> THE GOVERNOR SAID, YOU ASKED 06:48.866 --> 06:52.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% HIM A QUESTION IF IT'S REVENUE 06:52.266 --> 06:53.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% INCREASE, AND HE SAID I DIDN'T 06:53.766 --> 06:55.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% READ IT THAT WAY. 06:55.266 --> 06:57.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS. 06:57.466 --> 07:00.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% CRYSTAL BALL, HYBRID PLAN. 07:00.866 --> 07:02.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% BUDGET CUTS, RAISE A LITTLE 07:02.966 --> 07:05.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% MONEY, PUT THE SALES TAX BACK ON 07:05.766 --> 07:06.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:27.5% THE BALLOT. 07:06.266 --> 07:08.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% BUT FIRST PASSION THE GAS TAX 07:08.366 --> 07:10.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% FIRST, WHICH NOBODY LIKES, AND 07:10.666 --> 07:13.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% GIVE THE PEOPLE A CHOICE. 07:13.566 --> 07:15.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% BERNIE IN THE BRIEFING THAT WE 07:15.100 --> 07:16.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5% HAD WITH HIM. 07:16.300 --> 07:18.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THE GAS TAX, AND PEOPLE DON'T 07:18.900 --> 07:20.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% LIKE THAT, VOTE FOR THE SALES 07:20.433 --> 07:21.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5% TAX, YES, NO. 07:21.733 --> 07:23.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> YOU HAVE SPEAKER CONNOR AND 07:23.633 --> 07:24.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% REPUBLICANS SAYING THAT THIS IS 07:24.733 --> 07:27.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% A MANDATE FOR NO TAXES. 07:27.433 --> 07:29.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> HE SAYS NOT NECESSARILY, BUT 07:29.033 --> 07:32.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THE PLAN IS GOING TO PRESENT IS 07:32.533 --> 07:34.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% MOSTLY EXISTING REVENUE. 07:34.333 --> 07:35.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> BUT YOU WOULDN'T EXPECT HIM 07:35.733 --> 07:37.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% TO START WITH A PLAN FOR TAX 07:37.633 --> 07:38.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% INCREASE, WOULD YOU? 07:38.533 --> 07:39.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% >> NO, BUT YOU HAD A 07:39.733 --> 07:41.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% REPUBLICAN-LED GOVERNMENT. 07:41.133 --> 07:43.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% AND THIS WAS A HUGE, HUGE DEFEAT 07:43.033 --> 07:44.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% FOR TAX INCREASE. 07:44.133 --> 07:46.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THE LOGICAL CONCLUSION THAT MANY 07:46.533 --> 07:49.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% PEOPLE, LIKE SENATOR BRANDONBERG 07:49.166 --> 07:52.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% HAVE COME TO, CUT TAXES OVER 07:52.866 --> 07:53.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% TIME. 07:53.366 --> 07:55.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% >> BUT I TALKED TO SENATOR 07:55.066 --> 07:58.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% KAUFAX YESTERDAY, AND HE OPENED 07:58.566 --> 08:00.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% THE DOOR JUST A SCOSHE, AND IF 08:00.266 --> 08:03.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% WE CAN'T COME UP WITH ENOUGH 08:03.266 --> 08:05.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% MONEY, WE MIGHT HAVE TO RAISE 08:05.366 --> 08:06.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:15% TAXES. 08:06.066 --> 08:08.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT PEOPLE 08:08.766 --> 08:11.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% LIKE HIM FOR A TAX INCREASE, 08:11.466 --> 08:13.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% IT'S SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT 08:13.466 --> 08:14.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% DOING VERY WELL. 08:14.366 --> 08:15.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> I THINK THAT EVERYBODY IS 08:15.866 --> 08:17.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% GOING TO TAKE THE MESSAGE THAT 08:17.866 --> 08:18.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20% WENT TO. 08:18.366 --> 08:20.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% AND I HAVE A SHOUT OUT TO 08:20.100 --> 08:24.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% JONATHON OOSTING, THE TWEET OF 08:24.133 --> 08:25.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% THE NIGHT. 08:25.833 --> 08:27.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> IT'S A CLEAR MESSAGE THAT 08:27.333 --> 08:28.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% NOBODY AGREEING. 08:28.133 --> 08:30.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> AND YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE WHAT 08:30.133 --> 08:31.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% YOU WANT OUT OF THAT. 08:31.433 --> 08:34.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% SO THEY ARE GOING TO SAY THIS IS 08:34.333 --> 08:36.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% ABSOLUTELY PURELY ABOUT NO NEW 08:36.333 --> 08:37.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% TAXES, AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE 08:37.633 --> 08:39.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% GOING TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE. 08:39.133 --> 08:40.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% SNYDER IS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING 08:40.733 --> 08:41.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% ELSE. 08:41.733 --> 08:44.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% WE STILL NEED TO DO THE ROADS. 08:44.333 --> 08:46.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% AND FOR POLITICS, THAT'S HOW IT 08:46.233 --> 08:47.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:15% WORKS. 08:47.133 --> 08:48.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% AFTER ANY ELECTION, YOU SAY WE 08:48.833 --> 08:50.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% HAVE TO DO IT MY WAY. 08:50.633 --> 08:52.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% >> DID I INTERPRET THE 08:52.133 --> 08:54.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% GOVERNOR'S COMMENTS TO SAY THAT 08:54.166 --> 08:56.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% HE IS NOW WAITING FOR WHAT THE 08:56.066 --> 08:57.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% LEGISLATURE DOES? 08:57.466 --> 09:04.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% >> WELL, HE AND MICOFF USED 09:04.966 --> 09:05.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% SIMILAR LANGUAGE, IT'S GOING TO 09:05.966 --> 09:07.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:45% BE A GIVE PROCESS. 09:07.466 --> 09:09.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> HAVING LED ON THIS AND LOST, 09:09.166 --> 09:10.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5% OKAY, GUYS, PLEASE. 09:10.766 --> 09:12.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> NOT JUST LEAD ON IT IN THE 09:12.566 --> 09:15.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% PAST SIX MONTHS, BUT SINCE 2011, 09:15.866 --> 09:18.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% HE HAS HAD ON ONE OF HIS AGENDA 09:18.166 --> 09:18.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:15% ITEMS. 09:18.766 --> 09:20.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> HE HAS LED ON THIS, BUT LET'S 09:20.700 --> 09:22.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% ALSO REMEMBER THAT HE FIRST 09:22.600 --> 09:25.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% PROPOSED THE GAS TAX AND THE 09:25.800 --> 09:27.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% REGISTRATION TAX INCREASE, AND 09:27.300 --> 09:30.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:45% THAT WENT NOWHERE. 09:30.333 --> 09:32.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THE LEGISLATOR, AND HE WAS THERE 09:32.633 --> 09:34.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% IN THE BACKGROUND HAVING STEERED 09:34.933 --> 09:35.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% THE SHIP. 09:35.533 --> 09:37.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% BUT TWO YEARS LATER, THIS IS 09:37.033 --> 09:38.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH. 09:38.533 --> 09:40.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> I THINK THAT NEW REVENUE WILL 09:40.233 --> 09:43.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% BE PARTLY OF THIS PACKAGE. 09:43.033 --> 09:45.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% TELL ME I'M STUPID, BUT I THINK 09:45.233 --> 09:46.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% IT WILL BE THERE. 09:46.033 --> 09:47.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% >> HOW DO THEY GET TO 09:47.133 --> 09:48.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5% $1.2 BILLION? 09:48.533 --> 09:49.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% >> I DON'T THINK THEY DO. 09:49.633 --> 09:52.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> CAN THEY OFF CUT THE BUDGET 09:52.933 --> 09:54.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% TO $1.2 MILLION? 09:54.833 --> 09:55.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> THEY CAN, BUT I DON'T THINK 09:55.933 --> 09:57.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THAT THEY WILL COME UP WITH A 09:57.133 --> 09:57.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% SOLUTION. 09:57.833 --> 09:59.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% AND THIS IS WHY YOU'RE NOW 09:59.433 --> 10:00.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% HEARING ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT 10:00.933 --> 10:01.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:15% IDEAS. 10:01.266 --> 10:03.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THE CATASTROPHIC FUND, RIGHT? 10:03.466 --> 10:04.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% OH, THERE'S MONEY HERE. 10:04.966 --> 10:07.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% OH, THERE'S THE WASTE, FRAUD AND 10:07.366 --> 10:09.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:27.5% ABUSE IDEA. 10:09.466 --> 10:09.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:35% >> GOVERNMENT. 10:09.966 --> 10:11.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> BUT IT ALL GOES BACK TO THE 10:11.366 --> 10:13.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5% $1.2 BILLION. 10:13.766 --> 10:16.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% IF THIS ISN'T FINDING YOU A 10:16.966 --> 10:18.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% COUPLE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, 10:18.266 --> 10:20.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% NOT JUST $1.2 BILLION. 10:20.500 --> 10:22.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> IF THEY REALLY WANTED TO DO 10:22.000 --> 10:23.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION 10:23.700 --> 10:25.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% WARRANTIES, THAT WOULD MAKE A 10:25.600 --> 10:28.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% HUGE DIFFERENCE, AND THEY COULD 10:28.200 --> 10:30.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% RUN WITH IT, BUT THEY WANT TO 10:30.200 --> 10:33.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% MAKE IT SOUND REALLY GOOD. 10:33.800 --> 10:36.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> THEY ARE SUPPOSEDLY GOING TO 10:36.633 --> 10:37.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% WORK THE SUMMER. 10:37.633 --> 10:39.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% AS WE PUT IT IN, JULY AND 10:39.733 --> 10:41.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:17.5% AUGUST. 10:41.833 --> 10:43.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:45% >> NOBODY FOR YOU. 10:43.533 --> 10:45.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> THAT WAS THE MESSAGE, THEY 10:45.133 --> 10:47.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% ALL SAID HEY, IF WE HAVE TO, WE 10:47.533 --> 10:48.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% WILL. 10:48.133 --> 10:49.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% >> THEY DON'T HAVE TO. 10:49.533 --> 10:51.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> WELL, YES, BUT I THINK THE 10:51.033 --> 10:53.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% DEFEAT ON TUESDAY LAYS THE 10:53.233 --> 10:54.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% GROUNDWORK FOR A SOLUTION. 10:54.833 --> 10:55.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% I DO. 10:55.533 --> 10:58.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% MAYBE I'M AN ETERNAL OPTIMIST. 10:58.133 --> 11:00.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% BUT PEAK SPEAKING OF THAT, 11:00.633 --> 11:02.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% GOVERNOR SNYDER IS NOT RUNNING 11:02.633 --> 11:04.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:35% FOR PRESIDENT. 11:04.233 --> 11:09.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% >> OH, MY GOSH, OF COURSE. 11:09.166 --> 11:10.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% CORMER MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE 11:10.866 --> 11:11.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% SURPRISED. 11:11.666 --> 11:13.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> IN THE RACE, HE WAS MEASURING 11:13.366 --> 11:16.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THE CURTAINS IN THE WHITE HOUSE. 11:16.166 --> 11:17.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> I WAS ON ANOTHER PROGRAM, AND 11:17.666 --> 11:19.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% STEVE MITCHELL WAS VERY BULLISH 11:19.800 --> 11:20.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30% ON THE IDEA. 11:20.400 --> 11:22.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% SO HE HAD HIS DEFENDERS. 11:22.200 --> 11:23.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5% >> WAS HE EVER RUN? 11:23.700 --> 11:25.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% >> THIS IS WHAT WE SAID ALL 11:25.800 --> 11:28.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% ALONG T. IT DIDN'T HURT FOR HIM 11:28.400 --> 11:29.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% TO KEEP UP THIS. 11:29.400 --> 11:32.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% THERE'S NO REASON AT ANY GIVEN 11:32.100 --> 11:33.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% TIME IF YOUR NAME IS A GOVERNOR 11:33.900 --> 11:36.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% IN THE MIX, WHY WOULD YOU SAY NO 11:36.100 --> 11:37.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:27.5% RIGHT AWAY? 11:37.400 --> 11:38.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% THERE WAS NO REASON TO. 11:38.400 --> 11:39.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% I THINK THAT HE SHOULD HAVE KEPT 11:39.900 --> 11:41.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% THE SPECULATION GOING, BUT 11:41.833 --> 11:43.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% UNFORTUNATELY, AS SOME PEOPLE 11:43.933 --> 11:45.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% TALKED IN WASHINGTON AND KIND OF 11:45.733 --> 11:47.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% BLEW HIS COVER, AND HE FELT THE 11:47.433 --> 11:49.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% NEED TO SAY, NO, I'M NOT DOING 11:49.133 --> 11:49.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:7.5% IT. 11:49.933 --> 11:51.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% >> AND THERE WAS A 24-HOUR 11:51.833 --> 11:52.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% PERIOD WHERE IT WENT BACK AND 11:52.833 --> 11:53.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:15% FORTH. 11:53.433 --> 11:56.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% POLITICO SAID HE'S NOT GOING TO 11:56.233 --> 11:58.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% AND THEN WITHIN 24 HOURS-- 11:58.833 --> 12:01.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% >> WHEN THEY SAY WE HAVEN'T 12:01.433 --> 12:03.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% MADE A DECISION, IT MEANS THEY 12:03.133 --> 12:04.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% HAVEN'T ANNOUNCED A DECISION. 12:04.433 --> 12:05.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% >> I GOT TWO DIFFERENT 12:05.933 --> 12:07.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% STATEMENTS FROM THE GOVERNOR'S 12:07.033 --> 12:07.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:17.5% OFFICE. 12:07.433 --> 12:09.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% ONE WAS THAT NO DECISION HAS 12:09.233 --> 12:11.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% BEEN MADE AND THE OTHER WAS NO 12:11.833 --> 12:15.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% DECISION HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED. 12:15.166 --> 12:18.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% >> BUT HIS PURPOSE HERE WAS 12:18.866 --> 12:19.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20% TWOFOLD. 12:19.700 --> 12:21.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% ONE, TO USE THAT STORY AS A JUMP 12:21.900 --> 12:24.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% OFF TO TELL THE MICHIGAN STORY. 12:24.000 --> 12:25.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, AND 12:25.600 --> 12:26.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% SECONDLY, I THINK THAT HE 12:26.700 --> 12:28.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% SECRETLY WANTED TO SHAPE THE 12:28.400 --> 12:30.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% DEBATE IN THE REAL RACE FOR 12:30.900 --> 12:32.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% PRESIDENT AMONG THE REPUBLICAN 12:32.600 --> 12:34.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% CANDIDATES, AND LOTS OF LUCK 12:34.400 --> 12:35.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% WITH THAT. 12:35.000 --> 12:36.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> AND I BELIEVE THAT DEEM DOWN, 12:36.600 --> 12:38.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% THERE WAS AN IDEA THAT HE DOES 12:38.000 --> 12:40.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% SEE EXTREME CONSERVATIVES AS 12:40.400 --> 12:41.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% PART OF THE PROBLEM. 12:41.100 --> 12:43.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% HE SEES IT EVERY DAY HERE IN 12:43.500 --> 12:45.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% MICHIGAN. 12:45.200 --> 12:47.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% BUT LET'S BE VERY CLEAR, WHAT HE 12:47.600 --> 12:50.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% WILL SAY, A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR 12:50.933 --> 12:56.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% FROM THE MIDWEST, THEY HAVE 12:56.333 --> 12:59.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% OKAYED MEDICAID EXPANSION, BUT 12:59.233 --> 13:00.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% WHAT HE LIKES TO DO IS TALK 13:00.633 --> 13:02.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% ABOUT THIS IDEA OF A MODERATE 13:02.933 --> 13:04.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5% CONSENSUS BUILDING. 13:04.933 --> 13:07.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> BRIEF WORD ON SCOTT WALKER 13:07.233 --> 13:08.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% COMING TO TOWN, AND WHAT DO YOU 13:08.633 --> 13:11.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THINK OF HIS ANSWER ON THE AUTO 13:11.233 --> 13:12.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% BAIL OUT PROGRAM? 13:12.633 --> 13:14.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% WHAT DID HE SAY? 13:14.033 --> 13:15.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> HE SAID THAT'S THE PAST AND 13:15.433 --> 13:21.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% I'M FOCUSED ON THE FUTURE. 13:21.500 --> 13:22.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5% HYPOTHETICAL. 13:22.900 --> 13:24.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% >> HE HAS ANSWERED THAT 13:24.200 --> 13:25.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% QUESTION, AND HE WAS HE HAS 13:25.300 --> 13:26.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:27.5% AGAINST IT. 13:26.200 --> 13:27.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% >> WHEN HE WAS IN TOWN, HE 13:27.600 --> 13:29.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% DIDN'T TELL US THE TRUTH. 13:29.400 --> 13:30.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30% >> SHOCKING. 13:30.400 --> 13:32.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% >> GUNSHOT GRACIOUS. 13:32.000 --> 13:33.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% >> SO MANY SURPRISES. 13:33.200 --> 13:33.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> HOWARD EDELSON IS FOUNDER AND 13:33.833 --> 13:34.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% HEAD OF THE EDELSON GROUP. 13:34.366 --> 13:34.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% HE IS THE FORMER CAMPAIGN 13:34.900 --> 13:35.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% MANAGER FOR GOV. JENNIFER 13:35.433 --> 13:35.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% GRANHOLM. 13:35.700 --> 13:36.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% PRIOR TO THAT, HE WAS A LOBBYIST 13:36.333 --> 13:36.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% FOR CMS ENERGY AND CHIEF OF 13:36.900 --> 13:50.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% STAFF TO FORMER MICHIGAN 13:50.200 --> 13:56.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% CONGRESSMAN, BOB CARR. 13:56.433 --> 13:57.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% HE WAS A FIELD DIRECTOR FOR THE 13:57.066 --> 13:57.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% MICHIGAN DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND 13:57.666 --> 13:58.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% WAS GOING TO BE THE CHAIR OF THE 13:58.300 --> 13:58.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% PROPOSAL ONE CAMPAIGN BEFORE THE 13:58.933 --> 13:59.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% GOVERNOR'S OFFICE PICKED SOMEONE 13:59.566 --> 13:59.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% ELSE. 13:59.766 --> 14:00.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% HE HOLDS A BA DEGREE FROM MSU. 14:00.366 --> 14:00.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:2.5% . 14:00.500 --> 14:02.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> I AM AN OLD HOCKEY PLAYER. 14:02.433 --> 14:04.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% I HAVE OLD INJURIES AND SCARS 14:04.533 --> 14:06.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% THAT I WON'T SHOW YOU. 14:06.333 --> 14:08.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% JONATHAN, PLEASE. 14:08.533 --> 14:09.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> SO HOWARD, YOU WERE PART OF 14:09.733 --> 14:14.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THE TEAM THAT WAS WITH IT THE 14:14.433 --> 14:15.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:45% WHOLE WAY THROUGH. 14:15.533 --> 14:17.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% AND I HAVE HEARD PEOPLE SAY THAT 14:17.333 --> 14:19.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THEY DID SEE A PATH TO VICTORY. 14:19.766 --> 14:21.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% AND WHAT WAS THAT PATH? 14:21.866 --> 14:27.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% >> THERE WAS A PATH. 14:27.766 --> 14:29.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% WE DID THE INITIAL POLLING AND 14:29.700 --> 14:31.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% AFTER YOU DID THE NEGATIVE 14:31.700 --> 14:33.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% MESSAGING, YOU GOT PEOPLE UP TO 14:33.300 --> 14:36.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% A 56% YES AND 36% NO. 14:36.200 --> 14:37.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% >> ON WHAT ISSUE? 14:37.700 --> 14:39.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> IT WAS A MESSAGE PATH THAT 14:39.900 --> 14:41.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% YOU HAD TO TAKE VOTERS THROUGH 14:41.400 --> 14:43.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% AND THE FIRST STEP, REALLY, TO 14:43.500 --> 14:46.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% YOUR POINT OF MESSAGING, RULE 14:46.300 --> 14:47.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% NUMBER ONE, YOU HAVE TO FRAME 14:47.700 --> 14:48.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:27.5% THE DEBATE. 14:48.900 --> 14:50.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% YOU HAVE TO DEFINE THE 14:50.400 --> 14:51.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% CANDIDATE, OR IN THIS CASE, YOU 14:51.700 --> 14:54.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% HAVE TO REALLY DEFINE THE BALLOT 14:54.900 --> 14:55.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20% MEASURE. 14:55.200 --> 14:57.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% AND BALLOT MEASURES, YOU HAVE TO 14:57.100 --> 14:59.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% EXPLAIN THE ENTIRE BALLOT 14:59.000 --> 15:00.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% MEASURE SO THAT PEOPLE 15:00.100 --> 15:05.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:35% UNDERSTAND IT. 15:05.133 --> 15:06.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% IN THIS CASE, THE BALLOT MEASURE 15:06.433 --> 15:08.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% WAS ABOUT ROADS, SCHOOLS, AND 15:08.133 --> 15:10.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% THE DITC. 15:10.133 --> 15:11.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% YOU HAD TO EXPLAIN UP FRONT TO 15:11.633 --> 15:13.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THE VOTERS ALL THREE OF THOSE 15:13.833 --> 15:14.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:27.5% COMPONENTS. 15:14.733 --> 15:16.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% >> AND THEY DID NOT. 15:16.233 --> 15:17.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% >> THEY DID NOT. 15:17.133 --> 15:19.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THEY CHOSE TO GO THE ROAD ROUTE, 15:19.533 --> 15:21.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% AND THAT ALLOWED A COUPLE OF 15:21.033 --> 15:22.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% THINGS TO HAPPEN. 15:22.233 --> 15:24.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% ONE, THE OPPOSITION TO START 15:24.133 --> 15:27.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% FRAMING THE DEBATE ABOUT ALL OF 15:27.633 --> 15:29.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THE SPECIAL INTEREST THINGS THAT 15:29.333 --> 15:31.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% WERE IN THE BALLOT PROPOSAL. 15:31.133 --> 15:32.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% SO THAT WAS ONE. 15:32.433 --> 15:36.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% AND IT REALLY ALLOWED CONFUSION 15:36.966 --> 15:39.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% TO START TO INCREASE. 15:39.266 --> 15:41.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% BECAUSE IF YOU HAD EXPLAINED ALL 15:41.566 --> 15:44.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% THREE OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE 15:44.166 --> 15:46.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% BALLOT ISSUE UP FRONT, PEOPLE 15:46.866 --> 15:49.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% WOULD SAY, WHERE DID THE SCHOOLS 15:49.166 --> 15:49.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% FROM. 15:49.866 --> 15:51.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> GOVERNOR SNYDER BECAME THE 15:51.766 --> 15:54.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% MAIN CHEERLEADER, THE FACE OF 15:54.566 --> 15:56.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% THE CAMPAIGN, AND WAS THAT 15:56.666 --> 15:58.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:15% SMART? 15:58.166 --> 15:59.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% SHOULD HE NOT HAVE BEEN? 15:59.766 --> 16:01.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> WELL, HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A 16:01.166 --> 16:02.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% KEY SPOKESPERSON WITH 16:02.766 --> 16:07.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% REPUBLICANS, BUT WHEN YOU'RE 16:07.266 --> 16:09.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THINKING ABOUT WHAT PART OF THE 16:09.300 --> 16:11.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% BACKLASH WAS, THIS WAS 16:11.000 --> 16:12.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% ANTI-LANSING, SO YOU DON'T WANT 16:12.700 --> 16:15.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% TO PUT YOUR MOST VISIBLE 16:15.300 --> 16:19.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% SPOKESPERSON, YOU WANT TO MAKE 16:19.000 --> 16:20.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% THIS ISSUE HYPER LOCAL. 16:20.733 --> 16:22.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% YOU WANT PEOPLE AT THE LOCAL 16:22.233 --> 16:24.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% LEVEL BEING YOUR AMBASSADORS, 16:24.433 --> 16:26.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% AND TALKING ABOUT THE MERITS OF 16:26.133 --> 16:26.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:7.5% IT. 16:26.533 --> 16:28.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% SO WHAT THEY DID INADVERTENTLY, 16:28.433 --> 16:30.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% BY HAVING THE GOVERNOR AND OTHER 16:30.733 --> 16:34.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% LANSING SPOKES PEOPLE, THEY 16:34.533 --> 16:36.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% ALLOWED THE OPPOSITION TO HAVE A 16:36.433 --> 16:37.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30% PROOF POINT. 16:37.233 --> 16:39.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% THIS IS ALL ABOUT LANSING, YOU 16:39.033 --> 16:40.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% CAN'T TRUST THOSE POLITICIANS IN 16:40.733 --> 16:41.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20% LANSING. 16:41.533 --> 16:43.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> SO HOWARD, TAKE US BEHIND THE 16:43.966 --> 16:44.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:17.5% SCENES. 16:44.366 --> 16:46.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT EARLY FALL 16:46.066 --> 16:47.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% OUT WITH YOUR GROUP AND THE 16:47.866 --> 16:49.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:45% GOVERNOR'S OFFICE? 16:49.466 --> 16:50.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% >> YEAH, WELL IT WASN'T 16:50.766 --> 16:52.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% NECESSARILY A FALLOUT, BUT IT 16:52.266 --> 16:54.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% WAS A DISAGREEMENT AND 16:54.466 --> 16:55.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% PHILOSOPHICAL DIFFERENCE. 16:55.966 --> 16:57.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% IT CAME DOWN TO A COUPLE OF 16:57.666 --> 16:58.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:17.5% THINGS. 16:58.066 --> 16:59.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% FIRST, BALLOT ISSUES ARE NOT 16:59.766 --> 17:01.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% LIKE CANDIDATE CAMPAIGNS. 17:01.866 --> 17:04.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% YOU HAVE TO THINK BIPARTISAN. 17:04.066 --> 17:05.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% THIS IS NOT A CANDIDATE WHERE, 17:05.966 --> 17:07.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% IF YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT, YOU HAVE 17:07.266 --> 17:09.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% TO GET ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS ON, 17:09.266 --> 17:11.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% AND THEN YOU GET A FEW OF THE 17:11.266 --> 17:11.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5% INDEPENDENTS. 17:11.866 --> 17:14.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% WITH BALLOT MEASURES, YOU NEED 17:14.566 --> 17:16.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS AND 17:16.500 --> 17:17.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30% REPUBLICANS. 17:17.000 --> 17:18.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> YOU HAD TOO MANY DEMOCRATS ON 17:18.500 --> 17:19.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:35% YOUR CAMPAIGN. 17:19.733 --> 17:22.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> WE HAD TOO MANY DEMOCRATS-- 17:22.333 --> 17:23.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% ACTUALLY, WHAT WE HAVE IS THE 17:23.833 --> 17:25.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% TEAM THAT WORKED ON PROPOSAL ONE 17:25.733 --> 17:28.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% LAST YEAR, AS YOU MENTIONED, WE 17:28.833 --> 17:31.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% WON THAT, 69-31%. 17:31.033 --> 17:32.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% AND NO ONE THOUGHT WE WOULD, 17:32.833 --> 17:36.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:35% INCLUDING YOU. 17:36.433 --> 17:37.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% >> I COULDN'T HELP MYSELF. 17:37.933 --> 17:39.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5% I UNDERSTAND. 17:39.033 --> 17:40.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> WE HAD A PROVEN TEAM THAT WAS 17:40.933 --> 17:41.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:27.5% BIPARTISAN. 17:41.633 --> 17:43.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% WE WERE BROUGHT ON THAT SAME 17:43.733 --> 17:45.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% TEAM TO THEN DO ROADS. 17:45.033 --> 17:47.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, AS TIM 17:47.433 --> 17:49.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% WAS SAYING, WE HAD TOO MANY 17:49.366 --> 17:51.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% DEMOCRATS, AND THEY WANTED MORE 17:51.966 --> 17:53.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% REPUBLICANS, AND THEY DIDN'T 17:53.566 --> 17:55.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THINK THAT DEMOCRATS KNEW HOW TO 17:55.366 --> 17:56.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% SPEAK TO REPUBLICANS, AND IN THE 17:56.866 --> 17:58.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% END, THEY WANTED TO BREAK THE 17:58.566 --> 18:00.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% TEAM UP, AND WE HAD A WINNING 18:00.166 --> 18:00.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% TEAM. 18:00.666 --> 18:02.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% AND WE WERE NOT GOING TO ALLOW 18:02.466 --> 18:04.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% OUR TEAM TO BE BROKEN UP, WE 18:04.466 --> 18:07.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% WON, SO ON PRINCIPLE, WE SAID WE 18:07.566 --> 18:09.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% AGREE TO DISAGREE, AND WE LEFT. 18:09.966 --> 18:11.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> ONE OF THE REAL FAILURES OF 18:11.666 --> 18:13.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% THE PROPOSAL ONE CAMPAIGN IS 18:13.666 --> 18:15.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THAT DEMOCRATS WEREN'T SPOKEN 18:15.966 --> 18:16.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:7.5% TO. 18:16.366 --> 18:19.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% I MEAN, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN 18:19.266 --> 18:21.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% VERY RESTIVE TO THE SCHOOLS, AND 18:21.700 --> 18:23.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% YOU NEVER SAW THAT MESSAGE. 18:23.333 --> 18:29.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% AND YOU KNOW, DEMOCRATS SEEM TO 18:29.033 --> 18:31.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% BE TAKEN FOR GRANTED, AND WHEN 18:31.833 --> 18:34.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% SOMETHING LOSES 80-20, CLEARLY 18:34.833 --> 18:37.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% MANY DEMOCRATS ARE LOSING. 18:37.133 --> 18:38.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% >> YOU NEED DEMOCRATS AND 18:38.433 --> 18:39.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDENTS, 18:39.833 --> 18:42.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% AND YOU CAN'T TAKE ANY OF THOSE 18:42.033 --> 18:43.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5% GROUPS FOR GRANTED. 18:43.233 --> 18:44.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> LET ME TAKE YOU BACK TO THE 18:44.233 --> 18:46.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% ORIGINAL, YOU COULD HAVE WON 18:46.533 --> 18:48.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% THIS THING, AND HOW DO YOU 18:48.533 --> 18:50.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% EXPLAIN IN 30 SECONDS THE 18:50.333 --> 18:52.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% COMPLEXITY OF THIS PLAN? 18:52.333 --> 18:53.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% >> IT'S NOT ONE SPOT. 18:53.633 --> 18:54.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT YOU 18:54.533 --> 18:55.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5% HAVE TO HAVE. 18:55.266 --> 18:56.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% WE DID THIS WITH PERSONAL 18:56.866 --> 18:58.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:32.5% PROPERTY TAX. 18:58.766 --> 19:00.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% YOU HAVE TO SET UP THE ENTIRE 19:00.566 --> 19:01.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% FRAME OF THE CAMPAIGN. 19:01.866 --> 19:03.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% >> IN WHAT FORM? 19:03.566 --> 19:05.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% YOU TAKE EVERYBODY TO THE LOCAL 19:05.366 --> 19:06.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% BAR AND SIT THEM DOWN? 19:06.666 --> 19:07.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:37.5% WHAT DO YOU DO. 19:07.366 --> 19:10.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% >> NO, IT'S A MULTIFACETED 19:10.066 --> 19:12.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% CAMPAIGN, BUT THE FIRST STEP IS 19:12.266 --> 19:13.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% FRAMING IT CORRECTLY. 19:13.366 --> 19:15.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% AND AFTER THAT, YOU CREATE A 19:15.766 --> 19:17.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% POINT OF REFERENCE, SO WHEN YOU 19:17.166 --> 19:18.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% TALK TO VOTERS LATER ABOUT 19:18.666 --> 19:20.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THE 19:20.200 --> 19:21.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% BALLOT INITIATIVE, YOU'RE ABLE 19:21.900 --> 19:24.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% TO HAVE THEM MORE RESTIVE. 19:24.400 --> 19:25.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THEY HAVE A FRAME OF REFERENCE, 19:25.800 --> 19:28.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% AND THEY KNOW, SCHOOLS, THEY 19:28.633 --> 19:31.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% TALK ABOUT IT BEFORE. 19:31.833 --> 19:32.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> SO DEFINING THE ISSUE AND A 19:32.833 --> 19:34.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. 19:34.333 --> 19:34.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:35% >> ABSOLUTELY. 19:34.833 --> 19:36.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THE POINT IS THEY TOOK DEMOCRATS 19:36.933 --> 19:38.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30% FOR GRANTED. 19:38.733 --> 19:39.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE'RE TALKING 19:39.933 --> 19:41.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% ABOUT ROADS AND NOT SCHOOLS. 19:41.733 --> 19:44.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% SCHOOLS IMAGINE IF YOU'RE OTHER 19:44.433 --> 19:46.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% DEMOCRATS AND YOU KNEW WHAT THE 19:46.633 --> 19:47.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% PROPOSAL WAS, AND ALL OF A 19:47.533 --> 19:49.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% SUDDEN, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 19:49.033 --> 19:49.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20% SCHOOLS? 19:49.933 --> 19:52.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% IT KIND OF --THAT DOESN'T MAKE 19:52.133 --> 19:54.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:37.5% YOU VERY HAPPY. 19:54.033 --> 19:55.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> WAS THERE A PERIOD OF TIME IN 19:55.433 --> 19:57.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THE LAST SIX MONTHS WHERE YOU 19:57.033 --> 19:59.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% COULD PINPOINT THAT YOU SAW 19:59.533 --> 20:00.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THERE WAS NO TURNING BACK AND 20:00.733 --> 20:02.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% THIS BALLOT WAS GOING TO GO 20:02.466 --> 20:03.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% DOWN? 20:03.266 --> 20:05.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% WAS THERE ONE POINT IN TIME? 20:05.466 --> 20:07.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> I THINK IT WAS A SERIES OF 20:07.366 --> 20:10.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% EVENTS, OF BEGINNING, ONE, WITH 20:10.466 --> 20:12.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% HOW THEY INTRODUCED IT, AND THEN 20:12.666 --> 20:15.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% FOCUSING ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY 20:15.566 --> 20:17.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN. 20:17.566 --> 20:20.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% PEOPLE KNOW THE ROADS WERE BAD, 20:20.200 --> 20:22.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% 90% OF THE PEOPLE IN MICHIGAN 20:22.400 --> 20:24.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% THINK THEY'RE LOUSY, SO YOU 20:24.000 --> 20:25.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% DIDN'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT 20:25.500 --> 20:27.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN. 20:27.600 --> 20:28.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:27.5% HIT ON IT-- 20:28.900 --> 20:30.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> THAT'S WHAT YOU PROVIDED TO 20:30.000 --> 20:32.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THE NEW FOLKS TO FOCUS ON THE 20:32.300 --> 20:34.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% PUBLIC SAFETY THING. 20:34.200 --> 20:35.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% >> WELL-- 20:35.933 --> 20:37.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:42.5% >> ISN'T IT TRUE. 20:37.233 --> 20:40.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> WE DIDN'T PROVIDE THE ROCK. 20:40.433 --> 20:41.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% >> I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU 20:41.433 --> 20:42.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% PROVIDED THE DATA ABOUT THE 20:42.833 --> 20:43.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% ROCK. 20:43.233 --> 20:45.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> THE DATA, THAT'S PART OF THE 20:45.333 --> 20:46.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20% MESSAGE. 20:46.033 --> 20:50.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% WHAT THEY DID, THEY KEPT ON THE 20:50.433 --> 20:52.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% PUBLIC SAFETY, THE ROCK IF YOU 20:52.033 --> 20:54.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% WILL, THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN, AND 20:54.933 --> 20:57.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% IN SOME STRETCHES, IT WAS A 20:57.033 --> 20:58.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% MONTH WHERE THEY WERE JUST 20:58.433 --> 20:59.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% TALKING ABOUT THE ROCK. 20:59.233 --> 21:01.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% THE PET ROCK IF YOU WILL. 21:01.233 --> 21:02.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> I THINK ALL OF US AT THIS 21:02.833 --> 21:05.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% TABLE HAVE OUR OWN ROCKS. 21:05.633 --> 21:06.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> PEOPLE KNEW THAT, BUT THEY 21:06.933 --> 21:08.066 align:start position:10% line:74% size:37.5% HAD TO MOVE ON. 21:08.066 --> 21:09.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THEY HAD TO GO ON AND TALK ABOUT 21:09.866 --> 21:16.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THE OTHER BENEFITS OF THE BILL, 21:16.166 --> 21:20.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% THE PROPOSAL, THE DEVELOPMENT. 21:20.100 --> 21:22.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% YOU DIDN'T HEAR THE FARM BUREAU 21:22.100 --> 21:23.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% TALK ABOUT WHY THIS WAS 21:23.200 --> 21:24.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% IMPORTANT FOR AGRICULTURE, AND 21:24.600 --> 21:26.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% YOU DIDN'T HEAR TEACHERS 21:26.500 --> 21:28.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% STRONGLY TALKING ABOUT WHY THIS 21:28.300 --> 21:29.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% IS GOOD FOR SCHOOLS. 21:29.400 --> 21:32.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% THE TOURISM INDUSTRY, WHY HAVING 21:32.400 --> 21:34.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% BETTER ROADS WILL GET MORE 21:34.400 --> 21:34.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:17.5% PEOPLE. 21:34.800 --> 21:36.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% YOU DIDN'T HEAR ANY OF THAT. 21:36.500 --> 21:38.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> WAS THAT THE CAMPAIGN'S FAULT 21:38.300 --> 21:40.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% ALSO FOR NOT ENGAGING? 21:40.000 --> 21:42.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% SHOULD OTHER GROUPS HAVE SAID, 21:42.733 --> 21:43.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% IT'S OKAY, AND WE WERE GOING TO 21:43.933 --> 21:46.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% TAKE IT ON OUR OWN TO PUSH THIS. 21:46.133 --> 21:47.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> THE CAMPAIGNS ARE RESPONSIBLE 21:47.633 --> 21:49.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% FOR THE CAMPAIGN STRATEGY AND 21:49.533 --> 21:50.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:47.5% PLAN AND EXECUTION. 21:50.733 --> 21:52.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% SO IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO THE 21:52.333 --> 21:53.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% CAMPAIGN. 21:53.133 --> 21:54.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% >> THE SALES TAX FOR THE 21:54.433 --> 21:55.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% GOVERNOR'S OFFICE IN THIS 21:55.933 --> 21:56.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% CAMPAIGN? 21:56.633 --> 21:58.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:37.5% >> WELL, A LOT. 21:58.733 --> 22:00.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% CERTAINLY, THE GOVERNOR'S 22:00.233 --> 22:01.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% POLITICAL PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED, 22:01.933 --> 22:04.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% AND SO THEY HAD A GREAT 22:04.333 --> 22:04.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% INFLUENCE. 22:04.933 --> 22:08.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:35% >> THEY MADE-- 22:08.633 --> 22:09.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% >> THEY COULD HAVE DONE A 22:09.833 --> 22:11.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% BETTER JOB IN RUNNING THIS 22:11.833 --> 22:12.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% CAMPAIGN. 22:12.433 --> 22:14.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> THEY DIDN'T MAKE A MISTAKE? 22:14.433 --> 22:15.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> THEY COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER 22:15.766 --> 22:16.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:10% JOB. 22:16.366 --> 22:18.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> ONE OF THOSE HAS BEEN THE 22:18.166 --> 22:21.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% COMPLEXITY OF PROPOSAL 1, BUT ON 22:21.400 --> 22:25.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% BALANCE, YOU WORKED ON THE PTT 22:25.600 --> 22:27.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% ISSUE, DOES ANYBODY WHAT THAT 22:27.500 --> 22:28.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:7.5% IS? 22:28.400 --> 22:30.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% THERE IS A WAY TO MESSAGE 22:30.000 --> 22:31.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% COMPLEX POLICY, CORRECT. 22:31.800 --> 22:32.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% >> HERE'S THE THING. 22:32.900 --> 22:34.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% PEOPLE CONFUSE-- OR I SHOULD 22:34.800 --> 22:36.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% SAY, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE 22:36.100 --> 22:37.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% BETWEEN COMPLICATED AND 22:37.900 --> 22:38.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% CONFUSING. 22:38.500 --> 22:40.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 22:40.900 --> 22:42.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% COMPLICATED AND CONFUSING. 22:42.400 --> 22:45.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% A CAMPAIGN'S JOB IS TO TAKE A 22:45.200 --> 22:48.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% COMPLICATED ISSUE AND MAKE IT 22:48.000 --> 22:50.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% SIMPLE, SO THAT IT ISN'T 22:50.033 --> 22:50.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% CONFUSING. 22:50.633 --> 22:54.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% A NO VOTE ON BALLOT INITIATIVES, 22:54.033 --> 22:55.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% IT'S BEST FRIEND IS CONFUSION 22:55.933 --> 22:57.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% AND UNCERTAINTY. 22:57.033 --> 22:58.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% YOU KNOW THAT UP FRONT. 22:58.633 --> 23:00.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% SO AGAIN, IT'S HOW YOU FRAME 23:00.633 --> 23:04.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:57.5% THIS DEBATE AT THE VERY 23:04.233 --> 23:05.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% BEGINNING, YOU HAD TO LAY THIS 23:05.633 --> 23:09.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% ALL OUT AND YOU HAD TO REDUCE 23:09.033 --> 23:10.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% CONFUSION, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. 23:10.333 --> 23:12.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 23:12.233 --> 23:14.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% COMPLICATED AND CONFUSING, AND 23:14.633 --> 23:16.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% YOU CAN EXPLAIN. 23:16.633 --> 23:19.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% THERE ARE SIMPLE, CLEAR TERMS, 23:19.466 --> 23:20.466 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30% COMPLICATED. 23:20.466 --> 23:22.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% AND WE DID THAT IN PROPOSAL ONE 23:22.500 --> 23:25.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:17.5% OR PP2. 23:25.200 --> 23:28.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> PULLING 56, ONE PAST THAT, 23:28.900 --> 23:30.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% BALLOT QUESTIONS TYPICALLY GO 23:30.700 --> 23:31.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30% DOWN, RIGHT? 23:31.700 --> 23:33.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% I MEAN, THIS IS STILL A LONG 23:33.500 --> 23:34.900 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% SHOT FROM THE BEGINNING, WAS IT 23:34.900 --> 23:35.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:10% NOT? 23:35.500 --> 23:39.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS AN 23:39.400 --> 23:40.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:35% EASY CAMPAIGN. 23:40.400 --> 23:42.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% ANY STATEWIDE CAMPAIGN, IT'S A 23:42.700 --> 23:43.800 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% BIG UNDERTAKING. 23:43.800 --> 23:45.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU HAVE A BIG 23:45.000 --> 23:46.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% ORGANIZATION THAT COMES OUT OF 23:46.100 --> 23:48.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% NOWHERE, IT'S 20, $30 MILLION, 23:48.600 --> 23:49.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:37.5% JUST LIKE THAT. 23:49.300 --> 23:51.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% SO THEY'RE NOT EASY ENDEAVORS. 23:51.700 --> 23:54.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% BUT THAT'S WHY, IF YOU'RE 23:54.600 --> 23:57.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% FOCUSED, AND YOU HAVE RESEARCH, 23:57.733 --> 24:00.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% DATA DRIVEN STRATEGY, YOU CAN 24:00.233 --> 24:03.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% FIND A MESSAGE FOR VOTERS, AND 24:03.833 --> 24:05.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% YOU CAN CONTROL THE THINGS THAT 24:05.033 --> 24:06.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% YOU CAN CONTROL. 24:06.733 --> 24:09.333 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% >> IS THE SALES TAX INITIATIVE 24:09.333 --> 24:09.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:12.5% DEAD? 24:09.933 --> 24:10.733 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% >> I DON'T THINK SO. 24:10.733 --> 24:13.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% PEOPLE IN THE POLLING IN EARLY 24:13.133 --> 24:14.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% JANUARY, THEY WERE WILLING TO 24:14.833 --> 24:15.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% PAY MORE. 24:15.433 --> 24:17.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% 54% OF THE PEOPLE SAID WE'RE 24:17.133 --> 24:22.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% WILLING TO PAY MORE TO FIX THE 24:22.266 --> 24:23.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% ROADS IF IT'S LONG-TERM AND 24:23.666 --> 24:24.866 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% PERMANENT AND WE'RE DONE WITH 24:24.866 --> 24:26.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:52.5% THE BANDAID APPROACH. 24:26.966 --> 24:30.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> SO CLEAN PROPOSAL IN NOVEMBER 24:30.600 --> 24:31.400 align:start position:10% line:74% size:27.5% WOULD PASS? 24:31.400 --> 24:33.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> I THINK THAT IT HAS A BETTER 24:33.000 --> 24:34.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% CHANCE OF PASSING THAN ONE THAT 24:34.500 --> 24:36.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% HAS DIFFERENT COMPONENTS. 24:36.300 --> 24:37.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% AND THE OTHER THING TOO, YOU 24:37.600 --> 24:39.300 align:start position:10% line:74% size:67.5% MENTIONED THAT MAYBE IT'S A 24:39.300 --> 24:41.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% HYBRID, MAYBE IT'S CUTS, MAYBE 24:41.600 --> 24:43.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:65% IT'S A SALES TAX INCREASE. 24:43.700 --> 24:45.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT YOU 24:45.000 --> 24:48.700 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% CAN CUT THE BUDGET MORE. 24:48.700 --> 24:51.100 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% AND WHETHER YOU CAN OR NOT, I 24:51.100 --> 24:51.500 align:start position:10% line:74% size:27.5% DON'T KNOW. 24:51.500 --> 24:55.600 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% BUT IF PEOPLE BELIEVE IT, FEED 24:55.600 --> 24:57.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:37.5% THEM SOMETHING. 24:57.000 --> 24:59.200 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> HOW ABOUT PASSION THE GAS 24:59.200 --> 25:01.000 align:start position:10% line:74% size:10% TAX? 25:01.000 --> 25:05.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% >> I THINK HE'S ONTO SOMETHING. 25:05.233 --> 25:06.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% >> REALLY? 25:06.233 --> 25:08.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% SO DO THE LEGISLATORS EVER CALL 25:08.633 --> 25:09.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:17.5% YOU UP? 25:09.433 --> 25:11.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% WHEN THEY DO, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY 25:11.533 --> 25:12.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:20% TO THEM? 25:12.233 --> 25:13.833 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% >> I THINK I WOULD TELL THEM 25:13.833 --> 25:16.033 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% THAT LOOK, YOU HAVE TO GET THIS 25:16.033 --> 25:17.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:25% DONE, ONE. 25:17.433 --> 25:20.133 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% THE SPOTLIGHT IS ON LANSING. 25:20.133 --> 25:22.233 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% THE VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN, THEY 25:22.233 --> 25:23.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% WANT THIS FIXED. 25:23.533 --> 25:24.933 align:start position:10% line:74% size:62.5% THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE LAST 25:24.933 --> 25:25.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:22.5% PROPOSAL. 25:25.633 --> 25:26.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:30% GET IT DONE. 25:26.433 --> 25:29.433 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% AND YOU KNOW, HOW THEY DO THAT, 25:29.433 --> 25:31.633 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% THAT'S FOR THE POLICYMAKERS TO 25:31.633 --> 25:33.533 align:start position:10% line:74% size:40% FIGURE THAT OUT. 25:33.533 --> 25:35.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:80% >> 10 SECONDS, WHEN ASKED TO RUN 25:35.366 --> 25:38.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% A NEW CAMPAIGN FOR A SALES TAX 25:38.266 --> 25:43.766 align:start position:10% line:74% size:77.5% IN NOVEMBER, WOULD YOU SIGN UP? 25:43.766 --> 25:46.266 align:start position:10% line:74% size:50% BASED ON WHAT IT IS. 25:46.266 --> 25:47.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% >> I JUST GAVE IT TO YOU, YOU 25:47.666 --> 25:48.966 align:start position:10% line:74% size:60% KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. 25:48.966 --> 25:50.366 align:start position:10% line:74% size:72.5% GOOD TO SEE YOU AND THANKS TO 25:50.366 --> 25:51.666 align:start position:10% line:74% size:37.5% OUR COLLEAGUES. 25:51.666 --> 25:54.166 align:start position:10% line:74% size:70% NEXT WEEK, WE'LL BE HERE FOR 25:54.166 --> 26:02.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:55% MORE "OFF THE RECORD." 26:02.566 --> 26:03.566 align:start position:10% line:74% size:75% CLOSED CAPTIONING PERFORMED BY