1 00:00:03,466 --> 00:00:04,566 >> WELCOME BACK. 2 00:00:04,566 --> 00:00:05,133 POLITICAL CONSULTANT HOWARD 3 00:00:05,133 --> 00:00:05,733 EDELSON IS OUR GUEST THIS WEEK 4 00:00:05,733 --> 00:00:06,366 WITH SOME INSIDER REFLECTIONS ON 5 00:00:06,366 --> 00:00:06,966 PROPOSAL ONE. 6 00:00:06,966 --> 00:00:07,600 THE CRUSHING DEFEAT OF THE SALES 7 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:08,200 TAX HIKE IS OUR LEAD STORY AND 8 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:12,566 HERE TO DIGEST IT ARE: 9 00:00:12,566 --> 00:00:13,200 ZOE CLARK, JONATHON OOSTING, AND 10 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,566 SUSAN DEMAS. 11 00:00:15,566 --> 00:00:16,133 SIT IN WITH US AS WE GET THE 12 00:00:16,133 --> 00:00:24,100 INSIDE, OUT..."OFF THE RECORD. " 13 00:00:24,100 --> 00:00:28,700 PRODUCTION OF-OFF IS MADE 14 00:00:28,700 --> 00:01:18,466 POSSIBLE. 15 00:01:18,466 --> 00:01:19,266 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND 16 00:01:19,266 --> 00:01:23,300 WELCOME BACK TO OUR PROGRAM, AND 17 00:01:23,300 --> 00:01:25,700 YES OR NO, WERE YOU SURPRISED BY 18 00:01:25,700 --> 00:01:27,700 TUESDAY'S ELECTION RESULTS? 19 00:01:27,700 --> 00:01:28,400 >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. 20 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:29,400 >> NO. 21 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:30,800 >> NOT THAT SURPRISED, BUT FOR 22 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,600 THE ONE. 23 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,500 >> I HAD 65-35 IN THE POOL. 24 00:01:36,500 --> 00:01:40,200 >> I HAD 68. 25 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,733 AND NO ONE THOUGHT 80/20, THE 26 00:01:42,733 --> 00:01:45,533 WORST IN DECADES AND DECADES. 27 00:01:45,533 --> 00:01:46,033 >> AND YEARS. 28 00:01:46,033 --> 00:01:48,733 BUT WHO IS COUNTING? 29 00:01:48,733 --> 00:01:50,833 >> THEY HAD IT AT 29,000, THE 30 00:01:50,833 --> 00:01:54,533 POLL, BUT THEY ARE. 31 00:01:54,533 --> 00:01:55,733 >> LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT 32 00:01:55,733 --> 00:01:57,133 HAPPENED THE DAY AFTER IF WE 33 00:01:57,133 --> 00:01:57,833 CAN. 34 00:01:57,833 --> 00:01:59,633 AFTER THE GOVERNOR TO BED IN THE 35 00:01:59,633 --> 00:02:00,933 TOWEL LAST NIGHT ON PROPOSAL 36 00:02:00,933 --> 00:02:03,233 ONE, DEMOCRATS TODAY WERE 37 00:02:03,233 --> 00:02:04,333 COMPLAINING THAT THERE WAS NO 38 00:02:04,333 --> 00:02:05,633 SENSE OF URGENCY IN THE 39 00:02:05,633 --> 00:02:08,233 REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE, AS SOME 40 00:02:08,233 --> 00:02:11,033 LAWMAKERS WERE IN HOLLAND AT THE 41 00:02:11,033 --> 00:02:12,533 TULIP FESTIVAL. 42 00:02:12,533 --> 00:02:14,066 >> I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A 43 00:02:14,066 --> 00:02:16,066 STANDARD THING AS LONG AS I'VE 44 00:02:16,066 --> 00:02:16,666 BEEN HERE. 45 00:02:16,666 --> 00:02:18,866 THIS IS MY THIRD TERM, AND I 46 00:02:18,866 --> 00:02:20,800 THINK THEY HAVE DONE IT EVERY 47 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:21,800 YEAR, AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT 48 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,400 HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE 49 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:24,800 ELECTION. 50 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:25,800 >> IT'S A SHAME THAT THE 51 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,300 REPUBLICANS ARE TIPTOEING 52 00:02:27,300 --> 00:02:29,900 THROUGH THE TULIPS IN HOLLAND 53 00:02:29,900 --> 00:02:32,400 INSTEAD OF DOING THEIR JOB. 54 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:32,900 >> THIS IS TRADITION. 55 00:02:32,900 --> 00:02:34,400 >> THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT 56 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,000 THINGS. 57 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,000 >> LUCKILY, THE LEGISLATURE IS 58 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:39,300 OFF. 59 00:02:39,300 --> 00:02:41,700 BUT HIS COUNTERPART IS WILLING 60 00:02:41,700 --> 00:02:43,600 TO WORK IN THE SUMMER. 61 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,000 BUT GIVING THE ORDER TO WORK 62 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,133 DURING THE SUMMER, THE GOVERNOR 63 00:02:48,133 --> 00:02:48,933 PARTICIPATED. 64 00:02:48,933 --> 00:02:51,233 >> THEY SAID THEIR SCHEDULE-- 65 00:02:51,233 --> 00:02:52,633 >> THE HOUSE REPUBLICAN SPEAKER 66 00:02:52,633 --> 00:02:55,433 SAID HE IS OPEN TO A SUMMER 67 00:02:55,433 --> 00:02:56,833 SESSION, BUT HE WANTS TO GET 68 00:02:56,833 --> 00:02:58,533 THIS DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 69 00:02:58,533 --> 00:03:01,133 ON THE SALES FRONT, 64% OF THE 70 00:03:01,133 --> 00:03:03,633 VOTERS WOULD FAVOR A STAND-ALONE 71 00:03:03,633 --> 00:03:06,433 SALES TAX HIKE IF ALL OF THE 72 00:03:06,433 --> 00:03:07,933 MONEY WENT TO THE ROADS. 73 00:03:07,933 --> 00:03:09,133 THE REPUBLICAN SPEAKER IS NOT 74 00:03:09,133 --> 00:03:11,133 SURE THAT THE CRUMBLING ROADS 75 00:03:11,133 --> 00:03:13,333 CAN WAIT FOR A VOTE ON THAT. 76 00:03:13,333 --> 00:03:14,833 >> THE SALES TAX WAS VIEWED IN 77 00:03:14,833 --> 00:03:16,933 THE BEST SOURCE FOR NEW REVENUE, 78 00:03:16,933 --> 00:03:19,033 AND I THINK NOW THAT HAS BEEN 79 00:03:19,033 --> 00:03:20,366 TAKEN OFF THE TABLE, BECAUSE 80 00:03:20,366 --> 00:03:22,500 WHILE THE VOTERS MAY NOT OPPOSE 81 00:03:22,500 --> 00:03:24,600 A STAND-ALONE, WE HAVE TO BE 82 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,300 SENSITIVE TO THE TIMING, BECAUSE 83 00:03:26,300 --> 00:03:28,600 THE COST IS GOING UP BY THE DAY. 84 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,200 >> AS FOR THE HOUSE DEMOCRATS, 85 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,200 IS THE SALES TAX OPTION DEAD. 86 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:35,200 >> I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO 87 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,100 BE RELUCTANT TO PUT A SALES TAX 88 00:03:38,100 --> 00:03:40,300 OPTION BEFORE THE VOTERS AFTER 89 00:03:40,300 --> 00:03:41,000 YESTERDAY. 90 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,400 >> SO, GIVE US 20 SECONDS ON WHY 91 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,300 THIS FAILED, OTHER THAN THE FACT 92 00:03:45,300 --> 00:03:46,900 THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT. 93 00:03:46,900 --> 00:03:49,100 >> ONLY 20 SECONDS? 94 00:03:49,100 --> 00:03:50,300 THERE'S EVERY REASON. 95 00:03:50,300 --> 00:03:52,600 SOME DON'T LIKE TAXES AND SOME 96 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,133 DON'T LIKE THE REPUBLICAN 97 00:03:54,133 --> 00:03:55,933 GOVERNMENT AND SOME THOUGHT THAT 98 00:03:55,933 --> 00:03:57,333 IT WAS TOO CONFUSING. 99 00:03:57,333 --> 00:03:58,633 I THINK THAT EVERYBODY AGREES 100 00:03:58,633 --> 00:04:00,633 THAT THE MESSAGE WAS TERRIBLE. 101 00:04:00,633 --> 00:04:02,433 >> I THINK THAT EVERYBODY IS 102 00:04:02,433 --> 00:04:03,933 ANGRY. 103 00:04:03,933 --> 00:04:06,433 >> WITHOUT TIMEOUT HIGHER THAN 104 00:04:06,433 --> 00:04:09,233 PEOPLE THOUGHT, THEY HAD STRONG 105 00:04:09,233 --> 00:04:10,533 FEELINGS ON THIS ISSUE. 106 00:04:10,533 --> 00:04:12,633 IT WAS NOT PERSONAL PROPERTY 107 00:04:12,633 --> 00:04:14,033 TAXES FROM LAST YEAR. 108 00:04:14,033 --> 00:04:15,133 PEOPLE KNEW ABOUT THIS, AND THEY 109 00:04:15,133 --> 00:04:16,833 WERE AWARE, AND THEY GOT OUT 110 00:04:16,833 --> 00:04:17,833 THERE AND VOTED. 111 00:04:17,833 --> 00:04:20,866 STILL RELATIVELY LOW TIMEOUT. 112 00:04:20,866 --> 00:04:23,666 >> FOR A MAY-- I THINK THAT A 113 00:04:23,666 --> 00:04:25,166 LOT OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE 114 00:04:25,166 --> 00:04:26,866 IDEA THAT I HEARD OVER AND OVER 115 00:04:26,866 --> 00:04:28,400 AGAIN, WHICH WAS, WE DON'T WANT 116 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,400 TO SAY OKAY TO PUNTING THE ISSUE 117 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:32,200 TO VOTERS. 118 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,000 >> THAT'S YOUR JOB, LANSING. 119 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:35,600 >> EXACTLY. 120 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,300 AND WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE SAID 121 00:04:37,300 --> 00:04:38,100 THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY 122 00:04:38,100 --> 00:04:39,900 COULD HAVE SUPPORTED OR PARTS OF 123 00:04:39,900 --> 00:04:42,500 IT, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO REWARD 124 00:04:42,500 --> 00:04:43,700 LAWMAKERS. 125 00:04:43,700 --> 00:04:45,900 >> BRING A BALLOT PROPOSAL OF 126 00:04:45,900 --> 00:04:48,200 THE PAST WITHOUT THE GOODIES IN 127 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,200 64% OF THE PEOPLE SUPPORT THAT. 128 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,200 >> BUT AGAIN, THIS GOES TO THE 129 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:54,600 POLITICAL REALITY THAT THAT WAS 130 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,200 IMPOSSIBLE AT THE TIME. 131 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,800 AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT 132 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,000 EVERYBODY LOOKS AT. 133 00:04:59,000 --> 00:04:59,900 THIS WOULD HAVE PASSED AND IT 134 00:04:59,900 --> 00:05:02,133 WOULD HAVE, BUT THE POLITICAL 135 00:05:02,133 --> 00:05:04,733 DYNAMICS IN THE SUMMER. 136 00:05:04,733 --> 00:05:05,633 >> WANTED POLITICAL PARTY ON 137 00:05:05,633 --> 00:05:07,433 THIS, CORRECT? 138 00:05:07,433 --> 00:05:07,833 >> ABSOLUTELY. 139 00:05:07,833 --> 00:05:09,133 AND I THINK TO LOOK TO THE 140 00:05:09,133 --> 00:05:10,633 GOVERNOR TO SOME KIND OF 141 00:05:10,633 --> 00:05:11,633 RELATIONSHIP WITH DEMOCRATS AS 142 00:05:11,633 --> 00:05:12,333 HE DID. 143 00:05:12,333 --> 00:05:16,433 WHY THE EITC WAS PART OF THE 144 00:05:16,433 --> 00:05:17,633 BALLOT AND WHY MONEY FOR 145 00:05:17,633 --> 00:05:20,133 EDUCATION IS PART OF THE BALLOT 146 00:05:20,133 --> 00:05:21,733 AND HE HAS TO LOOK AT THAT TOO. 147 00:05:21,733 --> 00:05:23,833 >> I'M NOT SURE WHAT A CLEAN 148 00:05:23,833 --> 00:05:25,933 PROPOSAL OF THE PAST IS, BECAUSE 149 00:05:25,933 --> 00:05:28,333 PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE 150 00:05:28,333 --> 00:05:30,133 MONEY FOR ROADS IS NOT THERE. 151 00:05:30,133 --> 00:05:31,933 I PAY MY MONEY AT THE PUMPS IS 152 00:05:31,933 --> 00:05:34,266 AND WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING? 153 00:05:34,266 --> 00:05:35,966 AND IF YOU DID NOT EXPLAIN THAT 154 00:05:35,966 --> 00:05:38,366 TO THEM, PEOPLE DO NOT TRUST 155 00:05:38,366 --> 00:05:39,766 LAWMAKERS AND THE GOVERNOR ON 156 00:05:39,766 --> 00:05:40,666 THIS ISSUE. 157 00:05:40,666 --> 00:05:42,366 >> AND AS WE KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T 158 00:05:42,366 --> 00:05:43,666 GENERALLY VOTE TO RAISE THEIR 159 00:05:43,666 --> 00:05:47,066 OWN TAXES ON A STATE-WIDE 160 00:05:47,066 --> 00:05:49,166 PROPOSAL. 161 00:05:49,166 --> 00:05:51,066 >> NO, YOU HAD PROPOSAL A, BUT 162 00:05:51,066 --> 00:05:53,266 THAT WAS A TAX CUT. 163 00:05:53,266 --> 00:05:55,666 AND ACTUALLY RAISING TAXES, THAT 164 00:05:55,666 --> 00:05:58,066 FELL TIME AND TIME AGAIN. 165 00:05:58,066 --> 00:05:59,666 >> AND IT GOES BACK TO THERE 166 00:05:59,666 --> 00:06:02,566 WASN'T AN EITHER/OR PLAN, YOU'RE 167 00:06:02,566 --> 00:06:04,466 NOT VOTING FOR OPTION ONE OR 168 00:06:04,466 --> 00:06:04,866 TWO. 169 00:06:04,866 --> 00:06:06,866 THIS WAS VOTE FOR THIS OR NOT, 170 00:06:06,866 --> 00:06:09,000 AND WE'LL GO BACK TO THE DRAWING 171 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:09,300 BOARD. 172 00:06:09,300 --> 00:06:11,000 THE OPPONENTS KEPT SAYING, THIS 173 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,900 IS NOT A PLAN B. 174 00:06:13,900 --> 00:06:16,300 BUT VOTERS DEEP DOWN KNEW, WE'RE 175 00:06:16,300 --> 00:06:18,500 GOING TO SAY NO, AND FOLKS WILL 176 00:06:18,500 --> 00:06:20,433 COME BACK TOGETHER FOR GOOD OR 177 00:06:20,433 --> 00:06:21,933 WORSE, AND IF THE ROADS ARE SO 178 00:06:21,933 --> 00:06:23,633 BAD, WE'LL NEED TO COME UP WITH 179 00:06:23,633 --> 00:06:24,533 ANOTHER OPTION. 180 00:06:24,533 --> 00:06:26,233 >> LET'S PURSUE THIS OTHER 181 00:06:26,233 --> 00:06:27,533 OPTION, DO YOU THINK THAT THE 182 00:06:27,533 --> 00:06:29,433 SALES TAX IS DEAD AS AN OPTION. 183 00:06:29,433 --> 00:06:31,533 >> YES, I DON'T THINK FOR 184 00:06:31,533 --> 00:06:33,333 ANYBODY TO DO BACK TO THE 185 00:06:33,333 --> 00:06:35,033 BALLOT, THAT SAID, IF WE HAVE 186 00:06:35,033 --> 00:06:36,833 ANOTHER TWO YEARS OF LEGISLATIVE 187 00:06:36,833 --> 00:06:38,733 DEBATE, IF NOTHING HAPPENS, 188 00:06:38,733 --> 00:06:41,966 THERE COULD BE A PLAN B. 189 00:06:41,966 --> 00:06:43,166 >> AND LAWMAKERS? 190 00:06:43,166 --> 00:06:45,366 >> SOME LAWMAKERS HAVE SAID IT, 191 00:06:45,366 --> 00:06:46,766 THEY'RE NOT COMPLETELY SAYING NO 192 00:06:46,766 --> 00:06:47,566 TO EVERYTHING. 193 00:06:47,566 --> 00:06:48,866 >> THE GOVERNOR SAID, YOU ASKED 194 00:06:48,866 --> 00:06:52,266 HIM A QUESTION IF IT'S REVENUE 195 00:06:52,266 --> 00:06:53,766 INCREASE, AND HE SAID I DIDN'T 196 00:06:53,766 --> 00:06:55,266 READ IT THAT WAY. 197 00:06:55,266 --> 00:06:57,466 HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS. 198 00:06:57,466 --> 00:07:00,866 CRYSTAL BALL, HYBRID PLAN. 199 00:07:00,866 --> 00:07:02,966 BUDGET CUTS, RAISE A LITTLE 200 00:07:02,966 --> 00:07:05,766 MONEY, PUT THE SALES TAX BACK ON 201 00:07:05,766 --> 00:07:06,266 THE BALLOT. 202 00:07:06,266 --> 00:07:08,366 BUT FIRST PASSION THE GAS TAX 203 00:07:08,366 --> 00:07:10,666 FIRST, WHICH NOBODY LIKES, AND 204 00:07:10,666 --> 00:07:13,566 GIVE THE PEOPLE A CHOICE. 205 00:07:13,566 --> 00:07:15,100 BERNIE IN THE BRIEFING THAT WE 206 00:07:15,100 --> 00:07:16,300 HAD WITH HIM. 207 00:07:16,300 --> 00:07:18,900 THE GAS TAX, AND PEOPLE DON'T 208 00:07:18,900 --> 00:07:20,433 LIKE THAT, VOTE FOR THE SALES 209 00:07:20,433 --> 00:07:21,733 TAX, YES, NO. 210 00:07:21,733 --> 00:07:23,633 >> YOU HAVE SPEAKER CONNOR AND 211 00:07:23,633 --> 00:07:24,733 REPUBLICANS SAYING THAT THIS IS 212 00:07:24,733 --> 00:07:27,433 A MANDATE FOR NO TAXES. 213 00:07:27,433 --> 00:07:29,033 >> HE SAYS NOT NECESSARILY, BUT 214 00:07:29,033 --> 00:07:32,533 THE PLAN IS GOING TO PRESENT IS 215 00:07:32,533 --> 00:07:34,333 MOSTLY EXISTING REVENUE. 216 00:07:34,333 --> 00:07:35,733 >> BUT YOU WOULDN'T EXPECT HIM 217 00:07:35,733 --> 00:07:37,633 TO START WITH A PLAN FOR TAX 218 00:07:37,633 --> 00:07:38,533 INCREASE, WOULD YOU? 219 00:07:38,533 --> 00:07:39,733 >> NO, BUT YOU HAD A 220 00:07:39,733 --> 00:07:41,133 REPUBLICAN-LED GOVERNMENT. 221 00:07:41,133 --> 00:07:43,033 AND THIS WAS A HUGE, HUGE DEFEAT 222 00:07:43,033 --> 00:07:44,133 FOR TAX INCREASE. 223 00:07:44,133 --> 00:07:46,533 THE LOGICAL CONCLUSION THAT MANY 224 00:07:46,533 --> 00:07:49,166 PEOPLE, LIKE SENATOR BRANDONBERG 225 00:07:49,166 --> 00:07:52,866 HAVE COME TO, CUT TAXES OVER 226 00:07:52,866 --> 00:07:53,366 TIME. 227 00:07:53,366 --> 00:07:55,066 >> BUT I TALKED TO SENATOR 228 00:07:55,066 --> 00:07:58,566 KAUFAX YESTERDAY, AND HE OPENED 229 00:07:58,566 --> 00:08:00,266 THE DOOR JUST A SCOSHE, AND IF 230 00:08:00,266 --> 00:08:03,266 WE CAN'T COME UP WITH ENOUGH 231 00:08:03,266 --> 00:08:05,366 MONEY, WE MIGHT HAVE TO RAISE 232 00:08:05,366 --> 00:08:06,066 TAXES. 233 00:08:06,066 --> 00:08:08,766 >> IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT PEOPLE 234 00:08:08,766 --> 00:08:11,466 LIKE HIM FOR A TAX INCREASE, 235 00:08:11,466 --> 00:08:13,466 IT'S SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT 236 00:08:13,466 --> 00:08:14,366 DOING VERY WELL. 237 00:08:14,366 --> 00:08:15,866 >> I THINK THAT EVERYBODY IS 238 00:08:15,866 --> 00:08:17,866 GOING TO TAKE THE MESSAGE THAT 239 00:08:17,866 --> 00:08:18,366 WENT TO. 240 00:08:18,366 --> 00:08:20,100 AND I HAVE A SHOUT OUT TO 241 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:24,133 JONATHON OOSTING, THE TWEET OF 242 00:08:24,133 --> 00:08:25,833 THE NIGHT. 243 00:08:25,833 --> 00:08:27,333 >> IT'S A CLEAR MESSAGE THAT 244 00:08:27,333 --> 00:08:28,133 NOBODY AGREEING. 245 00:08:28,133 --> 00:08:30,133 >> AND YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE WHAT 246 00:08:30,133 --> 00:08:31,433 YOU WANT OUT OF THAT. 247 00:08:31,433 --> 00:08:34,333 SO THEY ARE GOING TO SAY THIS IS 248 00:08:34,333 --> 00:08:36,333 ABSOLUTELY PURELY ABOUT NO NEW 249 00:08:36,333 --> 00:08:37,633 TAXES, AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE 250 00:08:37,633 --> 00:08:39,133 GOING TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE. 251 00:08:39,133 --> 00:08:40,733 SNYDER IS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING 252 00:08:40,733 --> 00:08:41,733 ELSE. 253 00:08:41,733 --> 00:08:44,333 WE STILL NEED TO DO THE ROADS. 254 00:08:44,333 --> 00:08:46,233 AND FOR POLITICS, THAT'S HOW IT 255 00:08:46,233 --> 00:08:47,133 WORKS. 256 00:08:47,133 --> 00:08:48,833 AFTER ANY ELECTION, YOU SAY WE 257 00:08:48,833 --> 00:08:50,633 HAVE TO DO IT MY WAY. 258 00:08:50,633 --> 00:08:52,133 >> DID I INTERPRET THE 259 00:08:52,133 --> 00:08:54,166 GOVERNOR'S COMMENTS TO SAY THAT 260 00:08:54,166 --> 00:08:56,066 HE IS NOW WAITING FOR WHAT THE 261 00:08:56,066 --> 00:08:57,466 LEGISLATURE DOES? 262 00:08:57,466 --> 00:09:04,966 >> WELL, HE AND MICOFF USED 263 00:09:04,966 --> 00:09:05,966 SIMILAR LANGUAGE, IT'S GOING TO 264 00:09:05,966 --> 00:09:07,466 BE A GIVE PROCESS. 265 00:09:07,466 --> 00:09:09,166 >> HAVING LED ON THIS AND LOST, 266 00:09:09,166 --> 00:09:10,766 OKAY, GUYS, PLEASE. 267 00:09:10,766 --> 00:09:12,566 >> NOT JUST LEAD ON IT IN THE 268 00:09:12,566 --> 00:09:15,866 PAST SIX MONTHS, BUT SINCE 2011, 269 00:09:15,866 --> 00:09:18,166 HE HAS HAD ON ONE OF HIS AGENDA 270 00:09:18,166 --> 00:09:18,766 ITEMS. 271 00:09:18,766 --> 00:09:20,700 >> HE HAS LED ON THIS, BUT LET'S 272 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:22,600 ALSO REMEMBER THAT HE FIRST 273 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,800 PROPOSED THE GAS TAX AND THE 274 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,300 REGISTRATION TAX INCREASE, AND 275 00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:30,333 THAT WENT NOWHERE. 276 00:09:30,333 --> 00:09:32,633 THE LEGISLATOR, AND HE WAS THERE 277 00:09:32,633 --> 00:09:34,933 IN THE BACKGROUND HAVING STEERED 278 00:09:34,933 --> 00:09:35,533 THE SHIP. 279 00:09:35,533 --> 00:09:37,033 BUT TWO YEARS LATER, THIS IS 280 00:09:37,033 --> 00:09:38,533 WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH. 281 00:09:38,533 --> 00:09:40,233 >> I THINK THAT NEW REVENUE WILL 282 00:09:40,233 --> 00:09:43,033 BE PARTLY OF THIS PACKAGE. 283 00:09:43,033 --> 00:09:45,233 TELL ME I'M STUPID, BUT I THINK 284 00:09:45,233 --> 00:09:46,033 IT WILL BE THERE. 285 00:09:46,033 --> 00:09:47,133 >> HOW DO THEY GET TO 286 00:09:47,133 --> 00:09:48,533 $1.2 BILLION? 287 00:09:48,533 --> 00:09:49,633 >> I DON'T THINK THEY DO. 288 00:09:49,633 --> 00:09:52,933 >> CAN THEY OFF CUT THE BUDGET 289 00:09:52,933 --> 00:09:54,833 TO $1.2 MILLION? 290 00:09:54,833 --> 00:09:55,933 >> THEY CAN, BUT I DON'T THINK 291 00:09:55,933 --> 00:09:57,133 THAT THEY WILL COME UP WITH A 292 00:09:57,133 --> 00:09:57,833 SOLUTION. 293 00:09:57,833 --> 00:09:59,433 AND THIS IS WHY YOU'RE NOW 294 00:09:59,433 --> 00:10:00,933 HEARING ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT 295 00:10:00,933 --> 00:10:01,266 IDEAS. 296 00:10:01,266 --> 00:10:03,466 THE CATASTROPHIC FUND, RIGHT? 297 00:10:03,466 --> 00:10:04,966 OH, THERE'S MONEY HERE. 298 00:10:04,966 --> 00:10:07,366 OH, THERE'S THE WASTE, FRAUD AND 299 00:10:07,366 --> 00:10:09,466 ABUSE IDEA. 300 00:10:09,466 --> 00:10:09,966 >> GOVERNMENT. 301 00:10:09,966 --> 00:10:11,366 >> BUT IT ALL GOES BACK TO THE 302 00:10:11,366 --> 00:10:13,766 $1.2 BILLION. 303 00:10:13,766 --> 00:10:16,966 IF THIS ISN'T FINDING YOU A 304 00:10:16,966 --> 00:10:18,266 COUPLE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, 305 00:10:18,266 --> 00:10:20,500 NOT JUST $1.2 BILLION. 306 00:10:20,500 --> 00:10:22,000 >> IF THEY REALLY WANTED TO DO 307 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,700 THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION 308 00:10:23,700 --> 00:10:25,600 WARRANTIES, THAT WOULD MAKE A 309 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,200 HUGE DIFFERENCE, AND THEY COULD 310 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,200 RUN WITH IT, BUT THEY WANT TO 311 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,800 MAKE IT SOUND REALLY GOOD. 312 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,633 >> THEY ARE SUPPOSEDLY GOING TO 313 00:10:36,633 --> 00:10:37,633 WORK THE SUMMER. 314 00:10:37,633 --> 00:10:39,733 AS WE PUT IT IN, JULY AND 315 00:10:39,733 --> 00:10:41,833 AUGUST. 316 00:10:41,833 --> 00:10:43,533 >> NOBODY FOR YOU. 317 00:10:43,533 --> 00:10:45,133 >> THAT WAS THE MESSAGE, THEY 318 00:10:45,133 --> 00:10:47,533 ALL SAID HEY, IF WE HAVE TO, WE 319 00:10:47,533 --> 00:10:48,133 WILL. 320 00:10:48,133 --> 00:10:49,533 >> THEY DON'T HAVE TO. 321 00:10:49,533 --> 00:10:51,033 >> WELL, YES, BUT I THINK THE 322 00:10:51,033 --> 00:10:53,233 DEFEAT ON TUESDAY LAYS THE 323 00:10:53,233 --> 00:10:54,833 GROUNDWORK FOR A SOLUTION. 324 00:10:54,833 --> 00:10:55,533 I DO. 325 00:10:55,533 --> 00:10:58,133 MAYBE I'M AN ETERNAL OPTIMIST. 326 00:10:58,133 --> 00:11:00,633 BUT PEAK SPEAKING OF THAT, 327 00:11:00,633 --> 00:11:02,633 GOVERNOR SNYDER IS NOT RUNNING 328 00:11:02,633 --> 00:11:04,233 FOR PRESIDENT. 329 00:11:04,233 --> 00:11:09,166 >> OH, MY GOSH, OF COURSE. 330 00:11:09,166 --> 00:11:10,866 CORMER MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE 331 00:11:10,866 --> 00:11:11,666 SURPRISED. 332 00:11:11,666 --> 00:11:13,366 >> IN THE RACE, HE WAS MEASURING 333 00:11:13,366 --> 00:11:16,166 THE CURTAINS IN THE WHITE HOUSE. 334 00:11:16,166 --> 00:11:17,666 >> I WAS ON ANOTHER PROGRAM, AND 335 00:11:17,666 --> 00:11:19,800 STEVE MITCHELL WAS VERY BULLISH 336 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:20,400 ON THE IDEA. 337 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,200 SO HE HAD HIS DEFENDERS. 338 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,700 >> WAS HE EVER RUN? 339 00:11:23,700 --> 00:11:25,800 >> THIS IS WHAT WE SAID ALL 340 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,400 ALONG T. IT DIDN'T HURT FOR HIM 341 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:29,400 TO KEEP UP THIS. 342 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,100 THERE'S NO REASON AT ANY GIVEN 343 00:11:32,100 --> 00:11:33,900 TIME IF YOUR NAME IS A GOVERNOR 344 00:11:33,900 --> 00:11:36,100 IN THE MIX, WHY WOULD YOU SAY NO 345 00:11:36,100 --> 00:11:37,400 RIGHT AWAY? 346 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:38,400 THERE WAS NO REASON TO. 347 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:39,900 I THINK THAT HE SHOULD HAVE KEPT 348 00:11:39,900 --> 00:11:41,833 THE SPECULATION GOING, BUT 349 00:11:41,833 --> 00:11:43,933 UNFORTUNATELY, AS SOME PEOPLE 350 00:11:43,933 --> 00:11:45,733 TALKED IN WASHINGTON AND KIND OF 351 00:11:45,733 --> 00:11:47,433 BLEW HIS COVER, AND HE FELT THE 352 00:11:47,433 --> 00:11:49,133 NEED TO SAY, NO, I'M NOT DOING 353 00:11:49,133 --> 00:11:49,933 IT. 354 00:11:49,933 --> 00:11:51,833 >> AND THERE WAS A 24-HOUR 355 00:11:51,833 --> 00:11:52,833 PERIOD WHERE IT WENT BACK AND 356 00:11:52,833 --> 00:11:53,433 FORTH. 357 00:11:53,433 --> 00:11:56,233 POLITICO SAID HE'S NOT GOING TO 358 00:11:56,233 --> 00:11:58,833 AND THEN WITHIN 24 HOURS-- 359 00:11:58,833 --> 00:12:01,433 >> WHEN THEY SAY WE HAVEN'T 360 00:12:01,433 --> 00:12:03,133 MADE A DECISION, IT MEANS THEY 361 00:12:03,133 --> 00:12:04,433 HAVEN'T ANNOUNCED A DECISION. 362 00:12:04,433 --> 00:12:05,933 >> I GOT TWO DIFFERENT 363 00:12:05,933 --> 00:12:07,033 STATEMENTS FROM THE GOVERNOR'S 364 00:12:07,033 --> 00:12:07,433 OFFICE. 365 00:12:07,433 --> 00:12:09,233 ONE WAS THAT NO DECISION HAS 366 00:12:09,233 --> 00:12:11,833 BEEN MADE AND THE OTHER WAS NO 367 00:12:11,833 --> 00:12:15,166 DECISION HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED. 368 00:12:15,166 --> 00:12:18,866 >> BUT HIS PURPOSE HERE WAS 369 00:12:18,866 --> 00:12:19,700 TWOFOLD. 370 00:12:19,700 --> 00:12:21,900 ONE, TO USE THAT STORY AS A JUMP 371 00:12:21,900 --> 00:12:24,000 OFF TO TELL THE MICHIGAN STORY. 372 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,600 NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, AND 373 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:26,700 SECONDLY, I THINK THAT HE 374 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:28,400 SECRETLY WANTED TO SHAPE THE 375 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,900 DEBATE IN THE REAL RACE FOR 376 00:12:30,900 --> 00:12:32,600 PRESIDENT AMONG THE REPUBLICAN 377 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,400 CANDIDATES, AND LOTS OF LUCK 378 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:35,000 WITH THAT. 379 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,600 >> AND I BELIEVE THAT DEEM DOWN, 380 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,000 THERE WAS AN IDEA THAT HE DOES 381 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,400 SEE EXTREME CONSERVATIVES AS 382 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:41,100 PART OF THE PROBLEM. 383 00:12:41,100 --> 00:12:43,500 HE SEES IT EVERY DAY HERE IN 384 00:12:43,500 --> 00:12:45,200 MICHIGAN. 385 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,600 BUT LET'S BE VERY CLEAR, WHAT HE 386 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,933 WILL SAY, A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR 387 00:12:50,933 --> 00:12:56,333 FROM THE MIDWEST, THEY HAVE 388 00:12:56,333 --> 00:12:59,233 OKAYED MEDICAID EXPANSION, BUT 389 00:12:59,233 --> 00:13:00,633 WHAT HE LIKES TO DO IS TALK 390 00:13:00,633 --> 00:13:02,933 ABOUT THIS IDEA OF A MODERATE 391 00:13:02,933 --> 00:13:04,933 CONSENSUS BUILDING. 392 00:13:04,933 --> 00:13:07,233 >> BRIEF WORD ON SCOTT WALKER 393 00:13:07,233 --> 00:13:08,633 COMING TO TOWN, AND WHAT DO YOU 394 00:13:08,633 --> 00:13:11,233 THINK OF HIS ANSWER ON THE AUTO 395 00:13:11,233 --> 00:13:12,633 BAIL OUT PROGRAM? 396 00:13:12,633 --> 00:13:14,033 WHAT DID HE SAY? 397 00:13:14,033 --> 00:13:15,433 >> HE SAID THAT'S THE PAST AND 398 00:13:15,433 --> 00:13:21,500 I'M FOCUSED ON THE FUTURE. 399 00:13:21,500 --> 00:13:22,900 HYPOTHETICAL. 400 00:13:22,900 --> 00:13:24,200 >> HE HAS ANSWERED THAT 401 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:25,300 QUESTION, AND HE WAS HE HAS 402 00:13:25,300 --> 00:13:26,200 AGAINST IT. 403 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:27,600 >> WHEN HE WAS IN TOWN, HE 404 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,400 DIDN'T TELL US THE TRUTH. 405 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:30,400 >> SHOCKING. 406 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,000 >> GUNSHOT GRACIOUS. 407 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,200 >> SO MANY SURPRISES. 408 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:33,833 >> HOWARD EDELSON IS FOUNDER AND 409 00:13:33,833 --> 00:13:34,366 HEAD OF THE EDELSON GROUP. 410 00:13:34,366 --> 00:13:34,900 HE IS THE FORMER CAMPAIGN 411 00:13:34,900 --> 00:13:35,433 MANAGER FOR GOV. JENNIFER 412 00:13:35,433 --> 00:13:35,700 GRANHOLM. 413 00:13:35,700 --> 00:13:36,333 PRIOR TO THAT, HE WAS A LOBBYIST 414 00:13:36,333 --> 00:13:36,900 FOR CMS ENERGY AND CHIEF OF 415 00:13:36,900 --> 00:13:50,200 STAFF TO FORMER MICHIGAN 416 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:56,433 CONGRESSMAN, BOB CARR. 417 00:13:56,433 --> 00:13:57,066 HE WAS A FIELD DIRECTOR FOR THE 418 00:13:57,066 --> 00:13:57,666 MICHIGAN DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND 419 00:13:57,666 --> 00:13:58,300 WAS GOING TO BE THE CHAIR OF THE 420 00:13:58,300 --> 00:13:58,933 PROPOSAL ONE CAMPAIGN BEFORE THE 421 00:13:58,933 --> 00:13:59,566 GOVERNOR'S OFFICE PICKED SOMEONE 422 00:13:59,566 --> 00:13:59,766 ELSE. 423 00:13:59,766 --> 00:14:00,366 HE HOLDS A BA DEGREE FROM MSU. 424 00:14:00,366 --> 00:14:00,500 . 425 00:14:00,500 --> 00:14:02,433 >> I AM AN OLD HOCKEY PLAYER. 426 00:14:02,433 --> 00:14:04,533 I HAVE OLD INJURIES AND SCARS 427 00:14:04,533 --> 00:14:06,333 THAT I WON'T SHOW YOU. 428 00:14:06,333 --> 00:14:08,533 JONATHAN, PLEASE. 429 00:14:08,533 --> 00:14:09,733 >> SO HOWARD, YOU WERE PART OF 430 00:14:09,733 --> 00:14:14,433 THE TEAM THAT WAS WITH IT THE 431 00:14:14,433 --> 00:14:15,533 WHOLE WAY THROUGH. 432 00:14:15,533 --> 00:14:17,333 AND I HAVE HEARD PEOPLE SAY THAT 433 00:14:17,333 --> 00:14:19,766 THEY DID SEE A PATH TO VICTORY. 434 00:14:19,766 --> 00:14:21,866 AND WHAT WAS THAT PATH? 435 00:14:21,866 --> 00:14:27,766 >> THERE WAS A PATH. 436 00:14:27,766 --> 00:14:29,700 WE DID THE INITIAL POLLING AND 437 00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:31,700 AFTER YOU DID THE NEGATIVE 438 00:14:31,700 --> 00:14:33,300 MESSAGING, YOU GOT PEOPLE UP TO 439 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:36,200 A 56% YES AND 36% NO. 440 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:37,700 >> ON WHAT ISSUE? 441 00:14:37,700 --> 00:14:39,900 >> IT WAS A MESSAGE PATH THAT 442 00:14:39,900 --> 00:14:41,400 YOU HAD TO TAKE VOTERS THROUGH 443 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,500 AND THE FIRST STEP, REALLY, TO 444 00:14:43,500 --> 00:14:46,300 YOUR POINT OF MESSAGING, RULE 445 00:14:46,300 --> 00:14:47,700 NUMBER ONE, YOU HAVE TO FRAME 446 00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:48,900 THE DEBATE. 447 00:14:48,900 --> 00:14:50,400 YOU HAVE TO DEFINE THE 448 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:51,700 CANDIDATE, OR IN THIS CASE, YOU 449 00:14:51,700 --> 00:14:54,900 HAVE TO REALLY DEFINE THE BALLOT 450 00:14:54,900 --> 00:14:55,200 MEASURE. 451 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,100 AND BALLOT MEASURES, YOU HAVE TO 452 00:14:57,100 --> 00:14:59,000 EXPLAIN THE ENTIRE BALLOT 453 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,100 MEASURE SO THAT PEOPLE 454 00:15:00,100 --> 00:15:05,133 UNDERSTAND IT. 455 00:15:05,133 --> 00:15:06,433 IN THIS CASE, THE BALLOT MEASURE 456 00:15:06,433 --> 00:15:08,133 WAS ABOUT ROADS, SCHOOLS, AND 457 00:15:08,133 --> 00:15:10,133 THE DITC. 458 00:15:10,133 --> 00:15:11,633 YOU HAD TO EXPLAIN UP FRONT TO 459 00:15:11,633 --> 00:15:13,833 THE VOTERS ALL THREE OF THOSE 460 00:15:13,833 --> 00:15:14,733 COMPONENTS. 461 00:15:14,733 --> 00:15:16,233 >> AND THEY DID NOT. 462 00:15:16,233 --> 00:15:17,133 >> THEY DID NOT. 463 00:15:17,133 --> 00:15:19,533 THEY CHOSE TO GO THE ROAD ROUTE, 464 00:15:19,533 --> 00:15:21,033 AND THAT ALLOWED A COUPLE OF 465 00:15:21,033 --> 00:15:22,233 THINGS TO HAPPEN. 466 00:15:22,233 --> 00:15:24,133 ONE, THE OPPOSITION TO START 467 00:15:24,133 --> 00:15:27,633 FRAMING THE DEBATE ABOUT ALL OF 468 00:15:27,633 --> 00:15:29,333 THE SPECIAL INTEREST THINGS THAT 469 00:15:29,333 --> 00:15:31,133 WERE IN THE BALLOT PROPOSAL. 470 00:15:31,133 --> 00:15:32,433 SO THAT WAS ONE. 471 00:15:32,433 --> 00:15:36,966 AND IT REALLY ALLOWED CONFUSION 472 00:15:36,966 --> 00:15:39,266 TO START TO INCREASE. 473 00:15:39,266 --> 00:15:41,566 BECAUSE IF YOU HAD EXPLAINED ALL 474 00:15:41,566 --> 00:15:44,166 THREE OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE 475 00:15:44,166 --> 00:15:46,866 BALLOT ISSUE UP FRONT, PEOPLE 476 00:15:46,866 --> 00:15:49,166 WOULD SAY, WHERE DID THE SCHOOLS 477 00:15:49,166 --> 00:15:49,866 FROM. 478 00:15:49,866 --> 00:15:51,766 >> GOVERNOR SNYDER BECAME THE 479 00:15:51,766 --> 00:15:54,566 MAIN CHEERLEADER, THE FACE OF 480 00:15:54,566 --> 00:15:56,666 THE CAMPAIGN, AND WAS THAT 481 00:15:56,666 --> 00:15:58,166 SMART? 482 00:15:58,166 --> 00:15:59,766 SHOULD HE NOT HAVE BEEN? 483 00:15:59,766 --> 00:16:01,166 >> WELL, HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A 484 00:16:01,166 --> 00:16:02,766 KEY SPOKESPERSON WITH 485 00:16:02,766 --> 00:16:07,266 REPUBLICANS, BUT WHEN YOU'RE 486 00:16:07,266 --> 00:16:09,300 THINKING ABOUT WHAT PART OF THE 487 00:16:09,300 --> 00:16:11,000 BACKLASH WAS, THIS WAS 488 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,700 ANTI-LANSING, SO YOU DON'T WANT 489 00:16:12,700 --> 00:16:15,300 TO PUT YOUR MOST VISIBLE 490 00:16:15,300 --> 00:16:19,000 SPOKESPERSON, YOU WANT TO MAKE 491 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,733 THIS ISSUE HYPER LOCAL. 492 00:16:20,733 --> 00:16:22,233 YOU WANT PEOPLE AT THE LOCAL 493 00:16:22,233 --> 00:16:24,433 LEVEL BEING YOUR AMBASSADORS, 494 00:16:24,433 --> 00:16:26,133 AND TALKING ABOUT THE MERITS OF 495 00:16:26,133 --> 00:16:26,533 IT. 496 00:16:26,533 --> 00:16:28,433 SO WHAT THEY DID INADVERTENTLY, 497 00:16:28,433 --> 00:16:30,733 BY HAVING THE GOVERNOR AND OTHER 498 00:16:30,733 --> 00:16:34,533 LANSING SPOKES PEOPLE, THEY 499 00:16:34,533 --> 00:16:36,433 ALLOWED THE OPPOSITION TO HAVE A 500 00:16:36,433 --> 00:16:37,233 PROOF POINT. 501 00:16:37,233 --> 00:16:39,033 THIS IS ALL ABOUT LANSING, YOU 502 00:16:39,033 --> 00:16:40,733 CAN'T TRUST THOSE POLITICIANS IN 503 00:16:40,733 --> 00:16:41,533 LANSING. 504 00:16:41,533 --> 00:16:43,966 >> SO HOWARD, TAKE US BEHIND THE 505 00:16:43,966 --> 00:16:44,366 SCENES. 506 00:16:44,366 --> 00:16:46,066 WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT EARLY FALL 507 00:16:46,066 --> 00:16:47,866 OUT WITH YOUR GROUP AND THE 508 00:16:47,866 --> 00:16:49,466 GOVERNOR'S OFFICE? 509 00:16:49,466 --> 00:16:50,766 >> YEAH, WELL IT WASN'T 510 00:16:50,766 --> 00:16:52,266 NECESSARILY A FALLOUT, BUT IT 511 00:16:52,266 --> 00:16:54,466 WAS A DISAGREEMENT AND 512 00:16:54,466 --> 00:16:55,966 PHILOSOPHICAL DIFFERENCE. 513 00:16:55,966 --> 00:16:57,666 IT CAME DOWN TO A COUPLE OF 514 00:16:57,666 --> 00:16:58,066 THINGS. 515 00:16:58,066 --> 00:16:59,766 FIRST, BALLOT ISSUES ARE NOT 516 00:16:59,766 --> 00:17:01,866 LIKE CANDIDATE CAMPAIGNS. 517 00:17:01,866 --> 00:17:04,066 YOU HAVE TO THINK BIPARTISAN. 518 00:17:04,066 --> 00:17:05,966 THIS IS NOT A CANDIDATE WHERE, 519 00:17:05,966 --> 00:17:07,266 IF YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT, YOU HAVE 520 00:17:07,266 --> 00:17:09,266 TO GET ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS ON, 521 00:17:09,266 --> 00:17:11,266 AND THEN YOU GET A FEW OF THE 522 00:17:11,266 --> 00:17:11,866 INDEPENDENTS. 523 00:17:11,866 --> 00:17:14,566 WITH BALLOT MEASURES, YOU NEED 524 00:17:14,566 --> 00:17:16,500 DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS AND 525 00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:17,000 REPUBLICANS. 526 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,500 >> YOU HAD TOO MANY DEMOCRATS ON 527 00:17:18,500 --> 00:17:19,733 YOUR CAMPAIGN. 528 00:17:19,733 --> 00:17:22,333 >> WE HAD TOO MANY DEMOCRATS-- 529 00:17:22,333 --> 00:17:23,833 ACTUALLY, WHAT WE HAVE IS THE 530 00:17:23,833 --> 00:17:25,733 TEAM THAT WORKED ON PROPOSAL ONE 531 00:17:25,733 --> 00:17:28,833 LAST YEAR, AS YOU MENTIONED, WE 532 00:17:28,833 --> 00:17:31,033 WON THAT, 69-31%. 533 00:17:31,033 --> 00:17:32,833 AND NO ONE THOUGHT WE WOULD, 534 00:17:32,833 --> 00:17:36,433 INCLUDING YOU. 535 00:17:36,433 --> 00:17:37,933 >> I COULDN'T HELP MYSELF. 536 00:17:37,933 --> 00:17:39,033 I UNDERSTAND. 537 00:17:39,033 --> 00:17:40,933 >> WE HAD A PROVEN TEAM THAT WAS 538 00:17:40,933 --> 00:17:41,633 BIPARTISAN. 539 00:17:41,633 --> 00:17:43,733 WE WERE BROUGHT ON THAT SAME 540 00:17:43,733 --> 00:17:45,033 TEAM TO THEN DO ROADS. 541 00:17:45,033 --> 00:17:47,433 AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, AS TIM 542 00:17:47,433 --> 00:17:49,366 WAS SAYING, WE HAD TOO MANY 543 00:17:49,366 --> 00:17:51,966 DEMOCRATS, AND THEY WANTED MORE 544 00:17:51,966 --> 00:17:53,566 REPUBLICANS, AND THEY DIDN'T 545 00:17:53,566 --> 00:17:55,366 THINK THAT DEMOCRATS KNEW HOW TO 546 00:17:55,366 --> 00:17:56,866 SPEAK TO REPUBLICANS, AND IN THE 547 00:17:56,866 --> 00:17:58,566 END, THEY WANTED TO BREAK THE 548 00:17:58,566 --> 00:18:00,166 TEAM UP, AND WE HAD A WINNING 549 00:18:00,166 --> 00:18:00,666 TEAM. 550 00:18:00,666 --> 00:18:02,466 AND WE WERE NOT GOING TO ALLOW 551 00:18:02,466 --> 00:18:04,466 OUR TEAM TO BE BROKEN UP, WE 552 00:18:04,466 --> 00:18:07,566 WON, SO ON PRINCIPLE, WE SAID WE 553 00:18:07,566 --> 00:18:09,966 AGREE TO DISAGREE, AND WE LEFT. 554 00:18:09,966 --> 00:18:11,666 >> ONE OF THE REAL FAILURES OF 555 00:18:11,666 --> 00:18:13,666 THE PROPOSAL ONE CAMPAIGN IS 556 00:18:13,666 --> 00:18:15,966 THAT DEMOCRATS WEREN'T SPOKEN 557 00:18:15,966 --> 00:18:16,366 TO. 558 00:18:16,366 --> 00:18:19,266 I MEAN, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN 559 00:18:19,266 --> 00:18:21,700 VERY RESTIVE TO THE SCHOOLS, AND 560 00:18:21,700 --> 00:18:23,333 YOU NEVER SAW THAT MESSAGE. 561 00:18:23,333 --> 00:18:29,033 AND YOU KNOW, DEMOCRATS SEEM TO 562 00:18:29,033 --> 00:18:31,833 BE TAKEN FOR GRANTED, AND WHEN 563 00:18:31,833 --> 00:18:34,833 SOMETHING LOSES 80-20, CLEARLY 564 00:18:34,833 --> 00:18:37,133 MANY DEMOCRATS ARE LOSING. 565 00:18:37,133 --> 00:18:38,433 >> YOU NEED DEMOCRATS AND 566 00:18:38,433 --> 00:18:39,833 REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDENTS, 567 00:18:39,833 --> 00:18:42,033 AND YOU CAN'T TAKE ANY OF THOSE 568 00:18:42,033 --> 00:18:43,233 GROUPS FOR GRANTED. 569 00:18:43,233 --> 00:18:44,233 >> LET ME TAKE YOU BACK TO THE 570 00:18:44,233 --> 00:18:46,533 ORIGINAL, YOU COULD HAVE WON 571 00:18:46,533 --> 00:18:48,533 THIS THING, AND HOW DO YOU 572 00:18:48,533 --> 00:18:50,333 EXPLAIN IN 30 SECONDS THE 573 00:18:50,333 --> 00:18:52,333 COMPLEXITY OF THIS PLAN? 574 00:18:52,333 --> 00:18:53,633 >> IT'S NOT ONE SPOT. 575 00:18:53,633 --> 00:18:54,533 IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT YOU 576 00:18:54,533 --> 00:18:55,266 HAVE TO HAVE. 577 00:18:55,266 --> 00:18:56,866 WE DID THIS WITH PERSONAL 578 00:18:56,866 --> 00:18:58,766 PROPERTY TAX. 579 00:18:58,766 --> 00:19:00,566 YOU HAVE TO SET UP THE ENTIRE 580 00:19:00,566 --> 00:19:01,866 FRAME OF THE CAMPAIGN. 581 00:19:01,866 --> 00:19:03,566 >> IN WHAT FORM? 582 00:19:03,566 --> 00:19:05,366 YOU TAKE EVERYBODY TO THE LOCAL 583 00:19:05,366 --> 00:19:06,666 BAR AND SIT THEM DOWN? 584 00:19:06,666 --> 00:19:07,366 WHAT DO YOU DO. 585 00:19:07,366 --> 00:19:10,066 >> NO, IT'S A MULTIFACETED 586 00:19:10,066 --> 00:19:12,266 CAMPAIGN, BUT THE FIRST STEP IS 587 00:19:12,266 --> 00:19:13,366 FRAMING IT CORRECTLY. 588 00:19:13,366 --> 00:19:15,766 AND AFTER THAT, YOU CREATE A 589 00:19:15,766 --> 00:19:17,166 POINT OF REFERENCE, SO WHEN YOU 590 00:19:17,166 --> 00:19:18,666 TALK TO VOTERS LATER ABOUT 591 00:19:18,666 --> 00:19:20,200 DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THE 592 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:21,900 BALLOT INITIATIVE, YOU'RE ABLE 593 00:19:21,900 --> 00:19:24,400 TO HAVE THEM MORE RESTIVE. 594 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:25,800 THEY HAVE A FRAME OF REFERENCE, 595 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,633 AND THEY KNOW, SCHOOLS, THEY 596 00:19:28,633 --> 00:19:31,833 TALK ABOUT IT BEFORE. 597 00:19:31,833 --> 00:19:32,833 >> SO DEFINING THE ISSUE AND A 598 00:19:32,833 --> 00:19:34,333 LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. 599 00:19:34,333 --> 00:19:34,833 >> ABSOLUTELY. 600 00:19:34,833 --> 00:19:36,933 THE POINT IS THEY TOOK DEMOCRATS 601 00:19:36,933 --> 00:19:38,733 FOR GRANTED. 602 00:19:38,733 --> 00:19:39,933 ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE'RE TALKING 603 00:19:39,933 --> 00:19:41,733 ABOUT ROADS AND NOT SCHOOLS. 604 00:19:41,733 --> 00:19:44,433 SCHOOLS IMAGINE IF YOU'RE OTHER 605 00:19:44,433 --> 00:19:46,633 DEMOCRATS AND YOU KNEW WHAT THE 606 00:19:46,633 --> 00:19:47,533 PROPOSAL WAS, AND ALL OF A 607 00:19:47,533 --> 00:19:49,033 SUDDEN, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 608 00:19:49,033 --> 00:19:49,933 SCHOOLS? 609 00:19:49,933 --> 00:19:52,133 IT KIND OF --THAT DOESN'T MAKE 610 00:19:52,133 --> 00:19:54,033 YOU VERY HAPPY. 611 00:19:54,033 --> 00:19:55,433 >> WAS THERE A PERIOD OF TIME IN 612 00:19:55,433 --> 00:19:57,033 THE LAST SIX MONTHS WHERE YOU 613 00:19:57,033 --> 00:19:59,533 COULD PINPOINT THAT YOU SAW 614 00:19:59,533 --> 00:20:00,733 THERE WAS NO TURNING BACK AND 615 00:20:00,733 --> 00:20:02,466 THIS BALLOT WAS GOING TO GO 616 00:20:02,466 --> 00:20:03,266 DOWN? 617 00:20:03,266 --> 00:20:05,466 WAS THERE ONE POINT IN TIME? 618 00:20:05,466 --> 00:20:07,366 >> I THINK IT WAS A SERIES OF 619 00:20:07,366 --> 00:20:10,466 EVENTS, OF BEGINNING, ONE, WITH 620 00:20:10,466 --> 00:20:12,666 HOW THEY INTRODUCED IT, AND THEN 621 00:20:12,666 --> 00:20:15,566 FOCUSING ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY 622 00:20:15,566 --> 00:20:17,566 THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN. 623 00:20:17,566 --> 00:20:20,200 PEOPLE KNOW THE ROADS WERE BAD, 624 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,400 90% OF THE PEOPLE IN MICHIGAN 625 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,000 THINK THEY'RE LOUSY, SO YOU 626 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,500 DIDN'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT 627 00:20:25,500 --> 00:20:27,600 THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN. 628 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:28,900 HIT ON IT-- 629 00:20:28,900 --> 00:20:30,000 >> THAT'S WHAT YOU PROVIDED TO 630 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,300 THE NEW FOLKS TO FOCUS ON THE 631 00:20:32,300 --> 00:20:34,200 PUBLIC SAFETY THING. 632 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,933 >> WELL-- 633 00:20:35,933 --> 00:20:37,233 >> ISN'T IT TRUE. 634 00:20:37,233 --> 00:20:40,433 >> WE DIDN'T PROVIDE THE ROCK. 635 00:20:40,433 --> 00:20:41,433 >> I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU 636 00:20:41,433 --> 00:20:42,833 PROVIDED THE DATA ABOUT THE 637 00:20:42,833 --> 00:20:43,233 ROCK. 638 00:20:43,233 --> 00:20:45,333 >> THE DATA, THAT'S PART OF THE 639 00:20:45,333 --> 00:20:46,033 MESSAGE. 640 00:20:46,033 --> 00:20:50,433 WHAT THEY DID, THEY KEPT ON THE 641 00:20:50,433 --> 00:20:52,033 PUBLIC SAFETY, THE ROCK IF YOU 642 00:20:52,033 --> 00:20:54,933 WILL, THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN, AND 643 00:20:54,933 --> 00:20:57,033 IN SOME STRETCHES, IT WAS A 644 00:20:57,033 --> 00:20:58,433 MONTH WHERE THEY WERE JUST 645 00:20:58,433 --> 00:20:59,233 TALKING ABOUT THE ROCK. 646 00:20:59,233 --> 00:21:01,233 THE PET ROCK IF YOU WILL. 647 00:21:01,233 --> 00:21:02,833 >> I THINK ALL OF US AT THIS 648 00:21:02,833 --> 00:21:05,633 TABLE HAVE OUR OWN ROCKS. 649 00:21:05,633 --> 00:21:06,933 >> PEOPLE KNEW THAT, BUT THEY 650 00:21:06,933 --> 00:21:08,066 HAD TO MOVE ON. 651 00:21:08,066 --> 00:21:09,866 THEY HAD TO GO ON AND TALK ABOUT 652 00:21:09,866 --> 00:21:16,166 THE OTHER BENEFITS OF THE BILL, 653 00:21:16,166 --> 00:21:20,100 THE PROPOSAL, THE DEVELOPMENT. 654 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:22,100 YOU DIDN'T HEAR THE FARM BUREAU 655 00:21:22,100 --> 00:21:23,200 TALK ABOUT WHY THIS WAS 656 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,600 IMPORTANT FOR AGRICULTURE, AND 657 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,500 YOU DIDN'T HEAR TEACHERS 658 00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:28,300 STRONGLY TALKING ABOUT WHY THIS 659 00:21:28,300 --> 00:21:29,400 IS GOOD FOR SCHOOLS. 660 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,400 THE TOURISM INDUSTRY, WHY HAVING 661 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,400 BETTER ROADS WILL GET MORE 662 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:34,800 PEOPLE. 663 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,500 YOU DIDN'T HEAR ANY OF THAT. 664 00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:38,300 >> WAS THAT THE CAMPAIGN'S FAULT 665 00:21:38,300 --> 00:21:40,000 ALSO FOR NOT ENGAGING? 666 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,733 SHOULD OTHER GROUPS HAVE SAID, 667 00:21:42,733 --> 00:21:43,933 IT'S OKAY, AND WE WERE GOING TO 668 00:21:43,933 --> 00:21:46,133 TAKE IT ON OUR OWN TO PUSH THIS. 669 00:21:46,133 --> 00:21:47,633 >> THE CAMPAIGNS ARE RESPONSIBLE 670 00:21:47,633 --> 00:21:49,533 FOR THE CAMPAIGN STRATEGY AND 671 00:21:49,533 --> 00:21:50,733 PLAN AND EXECUTION. 672 00:21:50,733 --> 00:21:52,333 SO IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO THE 673 00:21:52,333 --> 00:21:53,133 CAMPAIGN. 674 00:21:53,133 --> 00:21:54,433 >> THE SALES TAX FOR THE 675 00:21:54,433 --> 00:21:55,933 GOVERNOR'S OFFICE IN THIS 676 00:21:55,933 --> 00:21:56,633 CAMPAIGN? 677 00:21:56,633 --> 00:21:58,733 >> WELL, A LOT. 678 00:21:58,733 --> 00:22:00,233 CERTAINLY, THE GOVERNOR'S 679 00:22:00,233 --> 00:22:01,933 POLITICAL PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED, 680 00:22:01,933 --> 00:22:04,333 AND SO THEY HAD A GREAT 681 00:22:04,333 --> 00:22:04,933 INFLUENCE. 682 00:22:04,933 --> 00:22:08,633 >> THEY MADE-- 683 00:22:08,633 --> 00:22:09,833 >> THEY COULD HAVE DONE A 684 00:22:09,833 --> 00:22:11,833 BETTER JOB IN RUNNING THIS 685 00:22:11,833 --> 00:22:12,433 CAMPAIGN. 686 00:22:12,433 --> 00:22:14,433 >> THEY DIDN'T MAKE A MISTAKE? 687 00:22:14,433 --> 00:22:15,766 >> THEY COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER 688 00:22:15,766 --> 00:22:16,366 JOB. 689 00:22:16,366 --> 00:22:18,166 >> ONE OF THOSE HAS BEEN THE 690 00:22:18,166 --> 00:22:21,400 COMPLEXITY OF PROPOSAL 1, BUT ON 691 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,600 BALANCE, YOU WORKED ON THE PTT 692 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,500 ISSUE, DOES ANYBODY WHAT THAT 693 00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:28,400 IS? 694 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,000 THERE IS A WAY TO MESSAGE 695 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,800 COMPLEX POLICY, CORRECT. 696 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:32,900 >> HERE'S THE THING. 697 00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:34,800 PEOPLE CONFUSE-- OR I SHOULD 698 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,100 SAY, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE 699 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:37,900 BETWEEN COMPLICATED AND 700 00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:38,500 CONFUSING. 701 00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:40,900 THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 702 00:22:40,900 --> 00:22:42,400 COMPLICATED AND CONFUSING. 703 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,200 A CAMPAIGN'S JOB IS TO TAKE A 704 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,000 COMPLICATED ISSUE AND MAKE IT 705 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,033 SIMPLE, SO THAT IT ISN'T 706 00:22:50,033 --> 00:22:50,633 CONFUSING. 707 00:22:50,633 --> 00:22:54,033 A NO VOTE ON BALLOT INITIATIVES, 708 00:22:54,033 --> 00:22:55,933 IT'S BEST FRIEND IS CONFUSION 709 00:22:55,933 --> 00:22:57,033 AND UNCERTAINTY. 710 00:22:57,033 --> 00:22:58,633 YOU KNOW THAT UP FRONT. 711 00:22:58,633 --> 00:23:00,633 SO AGAIN, IT'S HOW YOU FRAME 712 00:23:00,633 --> 00:23:04,233 THIS DEBATE AT THE VERY 713 00:23:04,233 --> 00:23:05,633 BEGINNING, YOU HAD TO LAY THIS 714 00:23:05,633 --> 00:23:09,033 ALL OUT AND YOU HAD TO REDUCE 715 00:23:09,033 --> 00:23:10,333 CONFUSION, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. 716 00:23:10,333 --> 00:23:12,233 THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 717 00:23:12,233 --> 00:23:14,633 COMPLICATED AND CONFUSING, AND 718 00:23:14,633 --> 00:23:16,633 YOU CAN EXPLAIN. 719 00:23:16,633 --> 00:23:19,466 THERE ARE SIMPLE, CLEAR TERMS, 720 00:23:19,466 --> 00:23:20,466 COMPLICATED. 721 00:23:20,466 --> 00:23:22,500 AND WE DID THAT IN PROPOSAL ONE 722 00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:25,200 OR PP2. 723 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,900 >> PULLING 56, ONE PAST THAT, 724 00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:30,700 BALLOT QUESTIONS TYPICALLY GO 725 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:31,700 DOWN, RIGHT? 726 00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:33,500 I MEAN, THIS IS STILL A LONG 727 00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:34,900 SHOT FROM THE BEGINNING, WAS IT 728 00:23:34,900 --> 00:23:35,500 NOT? 729 00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:39,400 >> I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS AN 730 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,400 EASY CAMPAIGN. 731 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,700 ANY STATEWIDE CAMPAIGN, IT'S A 732 00:23:42,700 --> 00:23:43,800 BIG UNDERTAKING. 733 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,000 ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU HAVE A BIG 734 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,100 ORGANIZATION THAT COMES OUT OF 735 00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:48,600 NOWHERE, IT'S 20, $30 MILLION, 736 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:49,300 JUST LIKE THAT. 737 00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:51,700 SO THEY'RE NOT EASY ENDEAVORS. 738 00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:54,600 BUT THAT'S WHY, IF YOU'RE 739 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,733 FOCUSED, AND YOU HAVE RESEARCH, 740 00:23:57,733 --> 00:24:00,233 DATA DRIVEN STRATEGY, YOU CAN 741 00:24:00,233 --> 00:24:03,833 FIND A MESSAGE FOR VOTERS, AND 742 00:24:03,833 --> 00:24:05,033 YOU CAN CONTROL THE THINGS THAT 743 00:24:05,033 --> 00:24:06,733 YOU CAN CONTROL. 744 00:24:06,733 --> 00:24:09,333 >> IS THE SALES TAX INITIATIVE 745 00:24:09,333 --> 00:24:09,933 DEAD? 746 00:24:09,933 --> 00:24:10,733 >> I DON'T THINK SO. 747 00:24:10,733 --> 00:24:13,133 PEOPLE IN THE POLLING IN EARLY 748 00:24:13,133 --> 00:24:14,833 JANUARY, THEY WERE WILLING TO 749 00:24:14,833 --> 00:24:15,433 PAY MORE. 750 00:24:15,433 --> 00:24:17,133 54% OF THE PEOPLE SAID WE'RE 751 00:24:17,133 --> 00:24:22,266 WILLING TO PAY MORE TO FIX THE 752 00:24:22,266 --> 00:24:23,666 ROADS IF IT'S LONG-TERM AND 753 00:24:23,666 --> 00:24:24,866 PERMANENT AND WE'RE DONE WITH 754 00:24:24,866 --> 00:24:26,966 THE BANDAID APPROACH. 755 00:24:26,966 --> 00:24:30,600 >> SO CLEAN PROPOSAL IN NOVEMBER 756 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:31,400 WOULD PASS? 757 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,000 >> I THINK THAT IT HAS A BETTER 758 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,500 CHANCE OF PASSING THAN ONE THAT 759 00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:36,300 HAS DIFFERENT COMPONENTS. 760 00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:37,600 AND THE OTHER THING TOO, YOU 761 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,300 MENTIONED THAT MAYBE IT'S A 762 00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:41,600 HYBRID, MAYBE IT'S CUTS, MAYBE 763 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,700 IT'S A SALES TAX INCREASE. 764 00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:45,000 A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT YOU 765 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,700 CAN CUT THE BUDGET MORE. 766 00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:51,100 AND WHETHER YOU CAN OR NOT, I 767 00:24:51,100 --> 00:24:51,500 DON'T KNOW. 768 00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:55,600 BUT IF PEOPLE BELIEVE IT, FEED 769 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,000 THEM SOMETHING. 770 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,200 >> HOW ABOUT PASSION THE GAS 771 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,000 TAX? 772 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,233 >> I THINK HE'S ONTO SOMETHING. 773 00:25:05,233 --> 00:25:06,233 >> REALLY? 774 00:25:06,233 --> 00:25:08,633 SO DO THE LEGISLATORS EVER CALL 775 00:25:08,633 --> 00:25:09,433 YOU UP? 776 00:25:09,433 --> 00:25:11,533 WHEN THEY DO, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY 777 00:25:11,533 --> 00:25:12,233 TO THEM? 778 00:25:12,233 --> 00:25:13,833 >> I THINK I WOULD TELL THEM 779 00:25:13,833 --> 00:25:16,033 THAT LOOK, YOU HAVE TO GET THIS 780 00:25:16,033 --> 00:25:17,433 DONE, ONE. 781 00:25:17,433 --> 00:25:20,133 THE SPOTLIGHT IS ON LANSING. 782 00:25:20,133 --> 00:25:22,233 THE VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN, THEY 783 00:25:22,233 --> 00:25:23,533 WANT THIS FIXED. 784 00:25:23,533 --> 00:25:24,933 THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE LAST 785 00:25:24,933 --> 00:25:25,633 PROPOSAL. 786 00:25:25,633 --> 00:25:26,433 GET IT DONE. 787 00:25:26,433 --> 00:25:29,433 AND YOU KNOW, HOW THEY DO THAT, 788 00:25:29,433 --> 00:25:31,633 THAT'S FOR THE POLICYMAKERS TO 789 00:25:31,633 --> 00:25:33,533 FIGURE THAT OUT. 790 00:25:33,533 --> 00:25:35,366 >> 10 SECONDS, WHEN ASKED TO RUN 791 00:25:35,366 --> 00:25:38,266 A NEW CAMPAIGN FOR A SALES TAX 792 00:25:38,266 --> 00:25:43,766 IN NOVEMBER, WOULD YOU SIGN UP? 793 00:25:43,766 --> 00:25:46,266 BASED ON WHAT IT IS. 794 00:25:46,266 --> 00:25:47,666 >> I JUST GAVE IT TO YOU, YOU 795 00:25:47,666 --> 00:25:48,966 KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. 796 00:25:48,966 --> 00:25:50,366 GOOD TO SEE YOU AND THANKS TO 797 00:25:50,366 --> 00:25:51,666 OUR COLLEAGUES. 798 00:25:51,666 --> 00:25:54,166 NEXT WEEK, WE'LL BE HERE FOR 799 00:25:54,166 --> 00:26:02,566 MORE "OFF THE RECORD." 800 00:26:02,566 --> 00:26:03,566 CLOSED CAPTIONING PERFORMED BY