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>> WELCOME BACK, OUR GUEST THIS

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WEEK IS THE SENATE DEMOCRATIC

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LEADER, SENATOR JIM ANANICH.

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OUR LEAD STORY IS LAWMAKERS GO

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ON SPRING BREAK LEAVING BEHIND

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WHAT?

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HERE TO DISCUSS THAT AND OTHER

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STORIES, BILL BALLENGER, KATHY

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GRAY, AND ZOE CLARK.

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SIT IN WITH US AS WE GET THE

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INSIDE, OUT.

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OFF THE RECORD.

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>> WELCOME BACK.

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THE GOVERNOR GRANTS A PARDON FOR

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DRUNK DRIVING.

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HELLO.

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>> WOW.

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THIS WAS LAST FRIDAY MAKING THE

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NEWS, SORT OF BUBBLING UP AT THE

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A.P. AND A LITTLE SHOUT-OUT FOR

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THIS STORY.

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GOVERNOR SNYDER, 11 PARDONS LAST

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YEAR AT THE END OF DECEMBER, THE

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END OF THE YEAR, AND ONE OF THEM

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TURNS OUT TO BE A DRUNK DRIVING

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CONVICTION ACKNOWLEDGE PERSON,

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WHOM HE PARDONED HAPPENS TO BE A

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WELL-PAID LAWYER OF FIVE HOUR

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ENERGY AND THE OWNER OF FIVE

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HOUR ENERGY DRINKS IS A BIG

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CAMPAIGN DONOR TO REPUBLICANS.

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IT DID NOT LOOK GOOD.

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>> IT LOOKS BAD.

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>> THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO GET

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CAUGHT FOR DRUNK DRIVING EVERY

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YEAR, WHY THIS GUY, YOU KNOW?

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YOU HAVE TO START CONNECTING THE

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DOTS.

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YOU KNOW, HE SAYS THAT HE WAS

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HAVING PROBLEMS WITH

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INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL.

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YOU CAN'T GO TO CANADA IF YOU'VE

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GOT A DRUNK DRIVING CONVICTION.

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THERE'S A LEGITIMATE REASON TO

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WANT TO ASK FOR IT, BUT THERE

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ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE

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DRUNK DRIVING CONDITIONS.

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>> WE SHOULD NOTE THE GOVERNOR

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APPOINTED HIM TO THE TALENT

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INVESTMENT BOARD OR HE WAS ON

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SOME COMMITTEE.

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THEY'VE MET.

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THEY DO KNOW EACH OTHER.

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>> HE SAID I HAVE GOTTEN NO

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CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM HIM.

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THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE SAID THERE

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WAS A THOROUGH REVIEW AND SAY

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EVERYTHING IS UP AND UP.

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>> THE GOVERNOR SAYING I DON'T

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KNOW HIM PERSONALLY.

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>> YES, HE DOES KNOW HIM

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PERMANENTLY.

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>> THE STATEMENT I SAW INDICATED

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HE DIDN'T FEEL HE KNEW HIM THAT

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WELL, BUT LOOK, THE BOTTOM LINE

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IS WHAT WAS A DUMB MOVE BY THE

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GOVERNOR, UNLESS HE'S WILLING TO

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COUNT A HUGE NUMBER OF

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REQUESTS FROM DRUNK DRIVING

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CONVICTIONS IN THE FUTURE, WILL

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HE WILL I WOULD THINK ALMOST

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AUTOMATICALLY HAVE TO APPROVE.

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>> THE TIPPING POINT WAS THIS

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WAS INTERFERING WITH THE GUY'S

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BUSINESS.

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HOW MANY HAVE THAT PROBLEM?

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>> I'M SURE TONS.

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MAYBE NOT AS MANY TO HAVE A

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TRAVEL TO CANADA.

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>> OR INTERNATIONALLY.

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>> THE GOVERNOR SAID HE WAS

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SERIOUS ABOUT LOOKING AT THIS

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PROBLEM BY PEOPLE HURT OF HAVING

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DRUNK DRIVING CONVICTION ON THE

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RECORD.

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DUH!

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ISN'T THAT THE POINT?

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>> THAT'S THE LANGUAGE, YOU HAVE

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TO BE ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED

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AND DEMOCRATS QUICK TO SAY WHO

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ISN'T?

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WHY IS THIS GENTLEMAN ANY

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DIFFERENT?

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DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING A SINGLE

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MOM WHO HAS GOT TO GET HER KIDS

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TO WORK.

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THIS GOES TO THIS IDEA OF THE

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SNYDER ADMINISTRATION, THIS

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NARRATIVE THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN

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IN THE CURRENT, THAT DEMOCRATS

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HAVE TRIED TO HAMMER HOME THAT

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THIS GOVERNOR, THE ADDITION IS

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SORT OF ABOUT THE CRONIES, THE

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BUSINESSMAN TAKING CARE OF

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OURSELVES INSTEAD OF THE REGULAR

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JOES.

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I THINK WHETHER THIS IS THAT BIG

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A DEAL, IT FITS THAT NARRATIVE.

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>> THIS IS SUCH AN ODD REQUEST.

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>> THE GOVERNOR HAS NEVER DONE

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THIS.

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>> NEVER DONE IT, BUT HOW MANY

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REQUESTS DO GOVERNORS GET FOR

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PARDONS OF DRUNK DRIVING

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CONDITIONS.

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WITH THIS STORY, I THINK IS

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GOING TO BE RAMPED UP

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DRAMATICALLY.

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I THINK THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF

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PEOPLE SAYING HEY, I WANT A

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PARDON, TOO.

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THE POINT IS, HOW MANY HAVE

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THERE BEEN BEFORE NOW?

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MAYBE HE CAN JUSTIFY IT OCEAN

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THIS I GUESS THE FIRST ONE I

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EVER GOT, I'M READY TO APPROVE

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MORE.

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>> LAST YEAR, THE LEGISLATURE

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APPROVED BILLS THAT WOULD ALLOW

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PEOPLE TO EXPUNGE RECORDS BUT

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THEY TOOK DRUNK DRIVING OUT OF

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IT.

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THERE'S ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO

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WOULD LOVE TO GET THEIR DRUNK

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DRIVING OFFENSES EXPUNGED FROM

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THE RECORD, REMOVED FROM THE

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RECORD, THEY CAN'T DO IT.

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WHY IS THIS GUY DIFFERENT?

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>> THE DRINKING AND DRIVING

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PEOPLE, THE RICK JONES BILL

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WHICH DECRIMINALIZES UNDERAGE

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DRINKING, DID YOU HEAR THE

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WHOOPDEEDOO ON THE COLLEGE

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CAMPUSES?

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WHO IS THIS CHARACTER?

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I WANT TO MAKE A CAMPAIGN

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CONTRIBUTION.

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I'M SORRY, MOM.

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>> THAT'S THE LIBERTARIAN AND

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RICK JONES COMING OUT.

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>> THE THIRD OFFENSE, YOU GET

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THE MISDEMEANOR.

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>> THERE ARE SOME COLLEGE

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CAMPUSES WHERE AN UNSOLD NUMBER

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OF GETS ARE GETTING MINORITY

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POSSESSION TICKETS WHICH STAYS

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ON THE RECORD FOREVER.

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YOU KNOW, YOU'RE A COLLEGE KID,

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YOUNG, YOU'RE INTEMPERATE AND

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YOU GO OUT AND HAVE FUN.

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MICHIGAN STATE PLAYING FOOTBALL,

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THEY ALL GARY, HAVE FUN, SOME

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GET ARRESTED, A LOT OF THEM GET

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MINOR IN POSSESSION TICKETS.

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>> THIS ARGUMENT THAT THE IDEA

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OF GETTING TICKETED, GETTING IN

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TROUBLE KEEPS STUDENTS FROM

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SAYING GOING TO THE HOSPITAL OR

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GETTING HELP IF THEY NEED IT, A

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FRIEND SEES ANOTHER FRIEND,

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MAYBE THEY WOULD CALL 911 OR

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TAKE THEM TO THE HOSPITAL.

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THERE'S THE CONCERN THEY'LL BE

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WRAPPED UP IN THE JUDICIAL

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SYSTEM AND DECIDE NOT TO.

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I'VE HEARD THAT ARGUMENT, THIS

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WOULD MAKE THEM MORE LIKELY TO

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GET HELP IF NEEDLED.

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>> IT WAS UNUSUAL COMING FROM A

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FORMER SHERIFF.

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>> I AGREE.

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>> HE SAYS PROSECUTORS HAVE

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TALKED TO HIM AND SAID LET'S DO

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THIS.

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MR. JONES' STATEMENT, THIS IS

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CLOGGING UP THE COURTS.

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>> YEAH, I'M SURE IT IS.

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IT IS AN ELEMENT OF COMPASSION

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AND WHAT JONES IS SUGGESTING,

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BUT I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF

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QUESTIONS.

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>> WE ARE TAPING ON MONDAY.

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RELIGIOUS FREEDOM PASSES IN

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INDIANA, IMPLICATION FOR

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MICHIGAN IF ANY.

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>> I THINK THIS MIGHT MAKE IT

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UNLIKELY THAT THE BILLS WILL

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PASS IN MICHIGAN.

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>> REALLY?

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>> WELL, YOU'VE SEEN THE

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REACTION IN INDIANA.

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BUSINESSES ARE SAYING WE'RE NOT

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GOING TO EXPAND THERE.

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THE NCAA CAME OUT WITH A

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STATEMENT SAYING WE MIGHT HAVE

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TO RETHINK IF WE'RE GOING TO

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PLACE OUR TOURNAMENTS THERE.

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ANGIE'S LIST, THE BIG, YOU KNOW,

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HELP DESK TYPE THING.

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>> FIND ME A PLUMBER.

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>> FIND ME A PLUMBER LINE SAYS

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THEY'RE WITHDRAWING THEIR

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REQUEST FOR A $40 MILLION

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EXPANSION IN INDIANAPOLIS.

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IF THIS IS A HAMPER ON ECONOMIC

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DEVELOPMENT IN THE STATE.

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THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS GOVERNOR

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SNYDER IS ALL ABOUT.

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HE'S ALL ABOUT MAKING MICHIGAN A

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BUSINESS-FRIENDLY STATE.

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>> THIS PAST THE MICHIGAN HOUSE

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AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

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>> IF THEY'RE GOING TOLD IT,

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THEY SHOULD DO IT LIKE WHAT YOU

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A UTAH DID, THEY ALL SALT DOWN

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AND HAMMERED OUT LGBT

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PROTECTIONS COMBINED WITH

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RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS.

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PENCE, ALL THEY DID WAS PASS

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RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION.

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IF THAT'S ALL THE REPUBLICANS DO

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HERE IN MICHIGAN, THEY'RE GOING

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TO GET CREAMED LIKE PENCE IS

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GETTING CREAMED IN INDIANA NOW

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WITHOUT THE OTHER SIDE, THE LGBT

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REFORMS THAT CAME IN UTAH.

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>> GOVERNOR PENCE HAD THIS

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DISASTROUS INTERVIEW, SIX TIMES

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WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A

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DISCRIMINATION.

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A COUPLE OF TIMES THE GOVERNOR

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GOT TONGUE TIED, DID NOT ANSWER

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THE QUESTION.

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WHETHER OR NOT THESE ALL THESE

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IMPLICATIONS POLITICALLY, THEY

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HAVE NOT HANDLED IT WELL.

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POLITICALLY, IT DOESN'T LOOK

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GOOD.

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FOR A GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN WHO

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CONTINUALLY SAID IT'S ABOUT THE

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SPREADSHEET, WHAT LOOKS BEST

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ECONOMICALLY, RIGHT NOW, THE

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FIRE STORM OF THE PAST WEEK IS

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COMPANIES AND BUSINESSES SAYING

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WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO

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WITH THIS.

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>> YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING

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FROM GOVERNOR.

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>> THE GOVERNOR WILL NEVER SAY

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ANYTHING ABOUT AN ISSUE LIKE

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THIS BEFORE IT CONFRONTS HIM AND

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SOMEBODY SENDS HIM SOMETHING.

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>> SOMEBODY IS GOING TO MOVE

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THIS IN THE SENATE OR HOUSE.

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>> THERE ARE THREE RELIGIOUS

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BILLS RIGHT NOW, ONE ON

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ADOPTION, ONE ON THE RELIGIOUS

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FREEDOM ACT INDIANA JUST PASSED,

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ANOTHER FOR MEDICAL PERSONNEL

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AND HOSPITALS.

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>> THE COLLECTIVE WISDOM IS THE

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GOVERNOR IS NOT IN FAVOR OF ANY

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OF THIS STUFF?

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>> YES, AND THE LAST THING HE

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WANTS IS IT TO COME TO HIS DESK.

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WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT.

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THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THIS

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GOVERNOR WANTS TO DEEM WITH.

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>> THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE

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BEING MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN THE

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HOUSE, SO WHAT?

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>> THAT'S NOT GOING TO STOP

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THAT.

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>> THE ONLY QUESTION IS AS KATHY

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POINTED OUT WHETHER THE

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REPUBLICANS IN THE LEGISLATURE,

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FORGET THE GOVERNOR, DECIDE WE

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DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT'S

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HAPPENED IN INDIANA OR ANYWHERE

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ELSE.

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WE'RE PUSHING RELIGIOUS FREEDOM

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AND WE'RE GOING TO SEND IT TO

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HIM, PERIOD OR WHETHER THEY

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DECIDE, YOU KNOW, MIKE PENCE

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LOOKED LIKE A JERK IN FRONT OF

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GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, TAKING A

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POUNDING.

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DO WE WANT TO TAKE A POUNDING?

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MAYBE NOT.

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>> IF YOU'RE A TRUE BELIEVER.

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>> THAT DON'T MEAN NOTHING.

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>> WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

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>> HOW MANY TRUE BELIEVERS

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THERE?

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>> WE'RE ABOUT TO FIND OUT.

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>> WE'RE ABOUT TO FIND OUT.

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>> WE HAVE A MARCH AND I HAVE

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PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY, THE

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DEMOCRATS, THIS IS SOMETHING

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NEW.

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>> FIRST TIME IN 24 YEARS.

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>> WHY?

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>> CLOSED DOOR CAUCUSES, PAY

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MONEY AT THE DOOR.

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>> HILLARY CLINTON SAYS GO AHEAD

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AND DO IT, I'LL PROBABLY CLEAN

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UP, WIN BIG AS SHE DID IN 2008.

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THE PROBLEM WAS OBAMA HAD PULLED

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OUT OF THE RACE AND HER VICTORY

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WAS MEANINGLESS.

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THE DEMOCRATS HAVE TRIED TO

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AVOID A PRIMARY IN MICHIGAN

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BECAUSE OF THEIR TERRIBLE

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MEMORIES OF WHAT HAPPENED WHEN

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GEORGE WALLACE BECAUSE IN 1972

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WON, SO THEY BASICALLY CLOSED

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EVERYTHING, GONE BEHIND CLOSED

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DOORS, HAD CAUCUSES, AND KEPT IT

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OUT OF THE PRIMARY.

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NOW, THIS IS A BIG STEP BACK

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INTO THE MAIN ARENA JUST LIKE

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THE REPUBLICANS.

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>> FOR THE YOUNG GEM GRAPHICS

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WATCHING THE SHOW, GEORGE

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WALLACE WAS A RACIST GOVERNOR

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FROM ALABAMA AND CAME IN AND ON

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THE PRIMARY.

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>> ALSO REMEMBER IN 1988, GUESS

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WHO WON?

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JESSE JACKSON CARRIED MICHIGAN,

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AND MIKE DUKAKIS WHO WAS THE

11:35.633 --> 11:39.433
ANOINTED NOMINEE COMING ON, SO

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IT WAS EMBARRASSING.

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>> IT WILL SAVE MONEY, DOING IT

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ON THE SAME DAVE THAT THE

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REPUBLICANS DID.

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>> THEY HAVE DID THE REPUBLICANS

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A FAVOR, DIDN'T THEY?

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>> THEY WILL SAVE MONEY.

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IT'S OPEN FOR A 30 DAY PERIOD OF

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COMMENTS AND THAT KIND OF THING,

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BUT MOST LIKELY THIS WILL GO

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AHEAD.

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>> IT'S GOING TO COST THE STATE

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$10 MILLION, BUT IT IS GOING TO

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SAVE THE DEMOCRATS AND THE

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REPUBLICAN THAT IS MONEY FROM

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HAVING TO DO IT THEMSELVES.

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>> WE ALL THINK MS. CLINTON WILL

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GET IN SOMETIME THIS MONTH?

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>> WE'RE ASSUMING SHE WILL.

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>> SEND HER AN EMAIL.

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[LAUGHTER]

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>> NOT BAD, NOT BAD FOR A MONDAY

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MORNING.

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LET'S CALL IN OUR GUEST.

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>>

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>> SENATOR JIM ANANICH SERVED IN

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THE MICHIGAN HOUSE BEFORE MOVING

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OVER TO THE STATE SENATE LAST

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YEAR, HE'S A FORMER TEACHER AND

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FLINT CITY COUNCIL PRESIDENT.

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HE HOLDS A B.A. FROM MSU, AND

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HIS MASTERS FROM THE U. OF M.

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HE'S IN HIS SECOND TERM IN THE

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LEGISLATURE.

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>> HOW ARE YOU DOING?

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>> GOOD.

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>> THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN

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INTRODUCING A LOT OF LEGISLATION

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LATELY THAT IS PROBABLY NOT

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GOING TO GO ANYWHERE, IN THE

12:51.067 --> 12:54.267
REPUBLICAN-LED LEGISLATURE, WHY

12:54.267 --> 12:55.367
ARE YOU PUTTING THIS STUFF

12:55.367 --> 13:03.067
FORWARD WHY ARE YOU HOLDING

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PRESS CONFERENCES?

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>> SURE.

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AFTER THE LAST ELECTION, IT'S

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IMPORTANT TO TAKE INVENTORY ON

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WHAT YOU DID RIGHT AND WRONG.

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I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHOW

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WHAT WE'RE FOR AND WHAT WE

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BELIEVE IN, TALK ABOUT WHY IT'S

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IMPORTANT TO BE DEMOCRATIC, WHY

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THE VALUES WE HAVE ARE RIGHT FOR

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MICHIGAN, AND IF IT TAKES US,

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YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS OR SIX

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YEARS TO PASS SOME OF THESE

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THINGS, I THINK IT'S WORTH

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FIGHTING FOR.

13:32.333 --> 13:33.933
TO ME, IT'S ABOUT SHOWING A

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CONTRAST OF WHAT WE BELIEVE IN

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AND THE VALUES I THINK MICHIGAN

13:37.733 --> 13:39.033
CITIZENS CARE ABOUT, WHETHER

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CHILD CARE AFFORDABILITY, OR THE

13:41.433 --> 13:43.233
RISING COST OF EDUCATION,

13:43.233 --> 13:44.733
WHETHER IT'S IN, YOU KNOW,

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UNIVERSITIES OR COMMUNITY

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COLLEGES AND DEBT, I THINK ALL

13:48.633 --> 13:49.933
THOSE THINGS ARE WORTH TALKING

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ABOUT.

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IF WE DON'T BRING THEM UP,

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NOBODY WILL.

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>> HOW FRUSTRATING IS IT THAT

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YOU DON'T EVEN GET A HEARING?

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>> WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN IN SOME

13:58.467 --> 13:58.867
CASES.

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CURTIS GOT A HEARING ON HIS

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CHILD CARE BILL.

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I THINK WE MIGHT GET SOME

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HEARINGS ON SENATOR GREGORY'S

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VETERAN TAX CREDIT BILL.

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IT'S FRUSTRATING AT TIMES, BUT

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WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP WORKING

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AT IT AND TRYING TO SHOW THE

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WAYS WE CAN PROVIDE LEGISLATION

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THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON AND

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THINGS WE DON'T AGREE ON.

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>> ARE DEMOCRATS DOING ENOUGH TO

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GET THE MESSAGE OUT?

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WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE

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ADOPTION BILLS.

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FOR PROGRESSIVES AND LIBERALS IN

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THE STATE WHO ARE ANGRY WITH

14:31.033 --> 14:32.633
REPUBLICANS, ANGRY WITH THE

14:32.633 --> 14:34.333
SNYDER ADMINISTRATION, ARE

14:34.333 --> 14:35.633
DEMOCRATS DOING ENOUGH TO SHOW

14:35.633 --> 14:37.033
WHAT YOU'RE FOR AND WHAT THE

14:37.033 --> 14:39.433
MESSAGE IS FOR SO YOU'RE GETTING

14:39.433 --> 14:41.433
POSITIVITY OUT OF THAT RATHER

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THAN JUST THE ANGER?

14:43.333 --> 14:45.333
>> WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON THAT.

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>> HOW DO YOU DO THAT?

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>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

14:48.333 --> 14:48.733
[LAUGHTER]

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>> THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION,

14:50.333 --> 14:50.833
RIGHT?

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PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW,

14:52.133 --> 14:54.133
DEMOCRATS GOT TO MESSAGE MORE,

14:54.133 --> 14:55.133
MESSAGE MORE.

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YOU TALK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, I

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MEAN, IF--

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>> WELL, HERE YOU CAN DO

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SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

15:00.033 --> 15:02.467
YOU HAD A BIG NEWS CONFERENCE ON

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FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE, EVERYBODY

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OUGHT TO HONOR FREEDOM OF

15:06.167 --> 15:07.667
INFORMATION, SIGN A PLEDGE NOT

15:07.667 --> 15:09.467
TO LOBBY TWO YEARS.

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YOU COULD DO THAT WITHOUT

15:10.567 --> 15:12.467
LEGISLATURE, SENATOR?

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>> NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

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>> WILL YOU?

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>> YEAH.

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>> WE'RE MAKING NEWS HERE.

15:18.900 --> 15:20.700
>> I BROUGHT YOU A FINANCIAL

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ADDITIONAL CLOSURE FORM, BECAUSE

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YOU CAN'T FIND ONE IN MICHIGAN.

15:25.800 --> 15:27.500
IT'S IMPORTANT TO LEAD AND SHOW

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BY EXAMPLE.

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THAT'S A GOOD FIRST STEP.

15:29.700 --> 15:30.800
THIS CONVERSATION NEEDS TO

15:30.800 --> 15:31.300
HAPPEN.

15:31.300 --> 15:32.600
SOME OF THE THINGS YOU GUYS ARE

15:32.600 --> 15:34.300
TALKING ABOUT, WHETHER A NUMBER

15:34.300 --> 15:37.033
OF THE ISSUES, IT ERODES THE

15:37.033 --> 15:38.633
PUBLIC TRUST, THE ISSUES YOU ARE

15:38.633 --> 15:39.133
TALKING ABOUT.

15:39.133 --> 15:40.633
THE BEST WAY TO DEAL WITH THAT

15:40.633 --> 15:41.733
IS BY OPENING GOVERNMENT.

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>> LET'S BE CLEAR.

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THE SENATE DEMOCRATS

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UNILATERALLY ON THEIR OWN WILL

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DO A FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE?

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>> I AM GOING TO DO A FINANCIAL

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DISCLOSURE.

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>> HOW MUCH COOPERATION HAVE YOU

15:53.133 --> 15:53.733
GOTTEN?

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>> I WAS OUT ALL LAST WEEK WITH

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THE FLU, SO I DID IT ON MY OWN.

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>> YOU'RE THE LEADER OF THE

16:03.733 --> 16:06.833
CAUCUS, YOU CAN SAY WE'RE GOING

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TO DO THIS.

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>> IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE

16:09.467 --> 16:09.800
CONVERSATION.

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>> WILL YOU ORDER THEM TO DO IT?

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>> NO, I'M GOING TO TRY TO SHOW

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THROUGH EXAMPLE THAT IT'S

16:16.500 --> 16:18.900
IMPORTANT THAT I'M GOING TO WALK

16:18.900 --> 16:21.500
THE WALK AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE IF

16:21.500 --> 16:23.500
THEY CHOOSE TO JOIN ME, THAT

16:23.500 --> 16:24.100
WOULD BE GREAT.

16:24.100 --> 16:26.100
I THINK THE FACT THAT I HAD TO

16:26.100 --> 16:28.500
FIND OTHER STATE'S DISCLOSURE

16:28.500 --> 16:31.100
FORM SAID A LOT ABOUT MICHIGAN.

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WE HAVE A LONG WAYS TO GO.

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I HOPE WE GET HEARINGS ON THESE

16:34.200 --> 16:36.900
BILLS AND I'LL PUSH FOR THAT.

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WE NEED A SYSTEM THAT'S BEST FOR

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MICHIGAN.

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>> SENATOR, ARTICLE FIVE,

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SECTION THREE OF THE

16:41.900 --> 16:43.533
CONSTITUTION GIVES ADVICE AND

16:43.533 --> 16:45.133
CONSENT AUTHORITY TO THE SENATE

16:45.133 --> 16:49.433
ON GUBERNATORIAL APPOINTMENTS OF

16:49.433 --> 16:50.633
DEPARTMENT HEADS IN THE

16:50.633 --> 16:51.833
EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

16:51.833 --> 16:53.933
A PROPOSAL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO

16:53.933 --> 16:55.533
SAID HEY, LET'S HAVE SOME

16:55.533 --> 16:55.800
HEARINGS.

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>> YEAH.

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>> ON THE GOVERNOR'S MOST RECENT

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APPOINTMENT OF STATE TREASURER.

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DO YOU THINK THE OPERATIONS

17:02.333 --> 17:04.533
COMMITTEE MAYBE HAS NOT DONE A

17:04.533 --> 17:07.033
GOOD JOB OF VETTING

17:07.033 --> 17:08.033
GUBERNATORIAL APPOINTMENTS OVER

17:08.033 --> 17:10.033
THE LAST FOUR YEARS, WITH A

17:10.033 --> 17:12.433
REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR, REPUBLICAN

17:12.433 --> 17:14.667
SENATE?

17:14.667 --> 17:16.800
DO YOU FEEL THEY NEED MORE

17:16.800 --> 17:17.500
SCRUTINY?

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>> IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHOW WHO'S

17:19.300 --> 17:20.400
REPRESENTING IN GOVERNMENT,

17:20.400 --> 17:22.700
WHETHER IT'S LEGISLATURE OR THE

17:22.700 --> 17:23.800
DEPARTMENT HEAD.

17:23.800 --> 17:27.300
IT'S NOT A GOTCHA TYPE APPROACH,

17:27.300 --> 17:28.800
IT'S PUT THE PERSON IN FRONT OF

17:28.800 --> 17:29.900
YOU AND ANSWER QUESTIONS.

17:29.900 --> 17:31.800
>> WHY HAVEN'T THEY BEEN DOING

17:31.800 --> 17:33.800
THAT ALREADY?

17:33.800 --> 17:34.900
YOU'RE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS.

17:34.900 --> 17:41.700
>> NOW I AM, I WASN'T LAST TERM.

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I THINK HE'D BE A REALLY

17:43.700 --> 17:45.400
TALENTED TREASURER.

17:45.400 --> 17:47.200
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT LIKE I

17:47.200 --> 17:49.133
SAID BEFORE, THE MORE OPENNESS

17:49.133 --> 17:50.533
WE HAVE AND TRANSPARENCY IN

17:50.533 --> 17:51.833
GOVERNMENT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO

17:51.833 --> 17:53.933
KNOW WHO THIS PERSON IS BEFORE

17:53.933 --> 17:55.433
THEY TAKE ON AN IMPORTANT ROLE.

17:55.433 --> 17:57.233
>> WHAT TYPE OF RESPONSE HAVE

17:57.233 --> 17:59.533
YOU GOTTEN FROM THE MAJORITY

17:59.533 --> 18:00.433
LEADER?

18:00.433 --> 18:01.533
>> WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS.

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>> DO YOU THINK HE'S GOING TO

18:02.633 --> 18:03.833
OPEN THIS UP, GET MORE

18:03.833 --> 18:04.933
AGGRESSIVE OR WHAT?

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>> THERE'S BEEN NO OFFICIAL

18:06.633 --> 18:07.533
DETERMINATION MADE.

18:07.533 --> 18:09.133
I TALKED TO THE GOVERNOR'S FOLKS

18:09.133 --> 18:09.633
ABOUT IT.

18:09.633 --> 18:10.933
THEY SEEM WIG TO ALLOW IT TO

18:10.933 --> 18:12.533
HAPPEN, TO PARTICIPATE IN, I

18:12.533 --> 18:13.133
SHOULD SAY.

18:13.133 --> 18:15.733
I THINK I'M HOPEFUL AND I'M

18:15.733 --> 18:16.833
GOING TO KEEP ASKING FOR IT.

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>> YOU'RE ON GOVERNMENT

18:18.433 --> 18:19.533
OPERATIONS NOW, YOU WEREN'T IN

18:19.533 --> 18:21.133
THE LAST SESSION, YOU'VE BEEN IN

18:21.133 --> 18:23.267
THE SENATE, THOUGH, ABOUT A YEAR

18:23.267 --> 18:24.367
AND A HALF OR SO.

18:24.367 --> 18:26.167
HAVE YOU SEEN ANY HEARINGS ON

18:26.167 --> 18:27.767
ANY GUBERNATORIAL--

18:27.767 --> 18:29.967
>> NO, IT WAS ONLY ONE, ONE THAT

18:29.967 --> 18:30.767
WAS MANDATE.

18:30.767 --> 18:33.267
>> ISN'T THAT PATHETIC?

18:33.267 --> 18:35.867
>> THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR IT.

18:35.867 --> 18:37.267
IT'S NOT THE WAY I THINK IT

18:37.267 --> 18:38.267
SHOULD BE DONE.

18:38.267 --> 18:39.767
FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, I THINK

18:39.767 --> 18:42.067
IT RAISES THE STATURE OF THE

18:42.067 --> 18:42.467
SENATE.

18:42.467 --> 18:44.367
IT'S IMPORTANT TO LEAVE A BODY

18:44.367 --> 18:45.767
BETTER THAN YOU FOUND IT.

18:45.767 --> 18:47.467
IN FOUR YEARS WHEN WE TAKE THE

18:47.467 --> 18:49.267
GOVERNORSHIP BACK, I THINK IT'S

18:49.267 --> 18:51.567
IMPORTANT TO HAVE A PROCESS IN

18:51.567 --> 18:53.267
PLACE SO THAT IT'S DONE FAIRLY

18:53.267 --> 18:55.900
AND DONE IN A WAY THAT'S NOT

18:55.900 --> 18:58.900
PARTISAN AND REALLY HIGHLIGHTS

18:58.900 --> 19:00.500
THE TALENTED PEOPLE THE GOVERNOR

19:00.500 --> 19:00.800
APPOINTED.

19:00.800 --> 19:01.900
>> DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT THE

19:01.900 --> 19:03.900
SENATE REPUBLICAN'S HAD MORE

19:03.900 --> 19:05.900
HEARINGS WHEN GOVERNOR GRANHOLM,

19:05.900 --> 19:12.600
A DEMOCRATIC WAS SERVING?

19:12.600 --> 19:13.833
>> SOMEONE REPORTED ON IT.

19:13.833 --> 19:15.433
>> THEY ACTUALLY HAD HEARINGS.

19:15.433 --> 19:16.433
>> OH, YES.

19:16.433 --> 19:19.433
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT STYLE FOR A

19:19.433 --> 19:24.633
SECOND.

19:24.633 --> 19:27.133
I HAVEN'T HEARD YOU OR SEEN ANY

19:27.133 --> 19:29.067
BOMBS THROWN FROM YOU YET.

19:29.067 --> 19:31.167
>> MY APPROACH IS DIFFERENT.

19:31.167 --> 19:33.067
2010 WAS A DIFFERENT ELECTION.

19:33.067 --> 19:35.967
WE LOST EVERYTHING.

19:35.967 --> 19:37.767
THERE NEEDED TO BE A STRONG

19:37.767 --> 19:38.267
DEMOCRATIC VOICE.

19:38.267 --> 19:40.767
I THINK GRETCHEN DID A GOOD JOB

19:40.767 --> 19:41.567
OF FILLING THAT.

19:41.567 --> 19:44.167
I THINK IN 2014, YOU KNOW, WE'VE

19:44.167 --> 19:46.467
MADE GAINS IN 2012 AND 2014 WAS

19:46.467 --> 19:47.167
ANOTHER SETBACK.

19:47.167 --> 19:49.567
I THINK WHAT I LEARNED IS PEOPLE

19:49.567 --> 19:51.567
WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN

19:51.567 --> 19:52.967
AND WHERE YOU CAN WORK TOGETHER.

19:52.967 --> 19:55.267
I'M NOT GOING TO ROLL OVER WHEN

19:55.267 --> 19:57.467
I DON'T AGREE, AND I'LL BE

19:57.467 --> 20:00.667
VIGOROUS IN THAT DEBATE, BUT MY

20:00.667 --> 20:04.600
APPROACH IS NOT A-- MY STYLE

20:04.600 --> 20:07.300
ISN'T TO SAY YOU'RE WRONG OR

20:07.300 --> 20:09.700
EUROPE BAD, NOT TO SAY THEY DID

20:09.700 --> 20:11.800
THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO TELL THEM

20:11.800 --> 20:13.333
WHY I DISAGREE AND MAKE SURE

20:13.333 --> 20:14.433
THAT THE DEMOCRATIC POSITION IS

20:14.433 --> 20:14.633
HEARD.

20:14.633 --> 20:18.333
>> YOU'RE FOR PROPOSAL ONE,

20:18.333 --> 20:19.433
YOU'LL BE VOTING FOR IT.

20:19.433 --> 20:19.933
>> YEAH.

20:19.933 --> 20:23.533
>> I HEARD SOME DEMOCRATS,

20:23.533 --> 20:26.533
HIGH-UP DEMOCRATS, THEY LOOK IF

20:26.533 --> 20:28.233
PROP ONE FAILS, THAT'S NOT

20:28.233 --> 20:29.533
NECESSARILY SUCH A BAD THING FOR

20:29.533 --> 20:33.433
DEMOCRATS, PUTS YOU BACK IN

20:33.433 --> 20:35.367
NEGOTIATING FEET.

20:35.367 --> 20:39.767
IS IT TRUE THAT DEMS DON'T HAVE

20:39.767 --> 20:42.367
AS MUCH TO LOSE AS THE GOVERNOR

20:42.367 --> 20:42.867
DOES?

20:42.867 --> 20:45.667
>> THE CITIZENS HAVE A LOT TO

20:45.667 --> 20:46.167
LOSE.

20:46.167 --> 20:48.567
PLAN A WE PASSED IN THE SENATE

20:48.567 --> 20:50.467
LAST YEAR THAT THE OFFICER CHOSE

20:50.467 --> 20:51.567
NOT TO TAKE UP.

20:51.567 --> 20:53.267
THIS IS PLAN B.

20:53.267 --> 20:57.567
WHAT PLAN C., D., E. AND F.,

20:57.567 --> 20:59.567
TRYING TO GET 20 VOTES.

20:59.567 --> 21:00.967
>> WHAT ABOUT THIS STUFF ABOUT

21:00.967 --> 21:03.567
THE CATASTROPHIC CLAIMS, MONEY

21:03.567 --> 21:04.767
AND ALL THAT STUFF?

21:04.767 --> 21:09.500
>> WHEN NEW LEGISLATORS COME IN,

21:09.500 --> 21:11.100
THEY HAVE IDEAS THAT MAKE SENSE

21:11.100 --> 21:13.333
AND WHEN YOU DIG DEEPER, YOU

21:13.333 --> 21:13.933
REALIZE YOU CAN'T.

21:13.933 --> 21:15.433
>> YOU COULD CHANGE THE LAW TO

21:15.433 --> 21:16.033
TAKE THE MONEY.

21:16.033 --> 21:18.633
>> WE'D BE PUTTING THAT COTS

21:18.633 --> 21:20.333
TRAFFIC CLAIMS.

21:20.333 --> 21:21.933
>> YOU COULDN'T TAKE A BILLION

21:21.933 --> 21:24.433
DOLLARS OUT WITHOUT DEMORALIZING

21:24.433 --> 21:25.233
THE FUND?

21:25.233 --> 21:26.933
>> I'D LIKE TO PASS THIS AND

21:26.933 --> 21:28.833
MAKE COLLEGE MORE AFFORDABLE.

21:28.833 --> 21:30.533
>> WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO PASS

21:30.533 --> 21:31.033
THIS?

21:31.033 --> 21:34.533
>> WHEN I'M IN FRONT OF A GROUP,

21:34.533 --> 21:35.933
I TALK ABOUT IT.

21:35.933 --> 21:38.933
>> SOME SUGGEST PUTTING A TOLL

21:38.933 --> 21:40.433
ADDITION IN FRONT OF A CROWD

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URGING A YES VOTE WILL ENCOURAGE

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A NO VOTE.

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>> WHEN I SPEAK TO DIFFERENT

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GROUPS BACK HOME OR DEPENDING IF

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IT'S A LABOR UNION OR COMMUNITY

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GROUP, I TALK ABOUT THE

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IMPORTANCE OF IT ALL.

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>> DO YOU THINK THE CAMPAIGN IS

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IN TROUBLE?

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>> THE CAMPAIGN GOT OFF TO A

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SLOW START.

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THERE'S A LOT OF TIME LEFT.

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AS THEY TALK ABOUT THE POSITIVES

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OF PROPOSAL ONE, I THINK THE

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NUMBERS ARE GOING TO--

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>> ONE THING WE HEAR ABOUT IS

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THE SAFETY ISSUE, IF IT DOESN'T

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PASS, THIS COULD BE AN ISSUE AND

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YET THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TALK

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ABOUT A SECOND IDEA, OPTION TWO

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AND OPTION B.

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THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION.

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DOESN'T THAT QUITE NOT WORK, IF

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IT IS SUCH A SAFETY ISSUE, IF

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CITIZENS ARE WORRIED THAT THE

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LAWMAKER, GOVERNOR DOESN'T HAVE

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A SECOND IDEA READY?

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I GET THE POLITICS, YOU DON'T

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WANT TO SAY YOU HAVE A SECOND

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IDEA.

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IF IT IS SUCH A CONCERN ABOUT

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CITIZENS AND THEIR SAFETY, HOW

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CAN THERE NOT BE SOME SECOND

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IDEA?

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>> I THINK WE CAME TO A LONG--

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IT TOOK A LONG TIME GOT TO HERE

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AND TO GET TO COMPROMISE AND

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FIND POSITIVE THINGS TO MAKE

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THIS PROPOSAL GET ON THE BALLOT.

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WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT IT'S GOING TO

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PASS.

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YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE

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WAYS TO GET TO A BILLION IN THE

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CURRENT BUDGET, IT'S PRETTY

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SCARY.

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I'M HOPEFUL THAT THE CITIZENS

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CHOOSE TO DO THIS AND WE WON'T

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HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PLAN C.

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THEY ARE COMING UP WITH IDEAS

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AND PULLING THEM OUT OF THE SKY

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AS THEY GO.

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THIS WAS A GOOD COMPROMISE DONE

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BY DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS,

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BOTH GIVING AND TAKING.

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I WISH WE COULD HAVE DONE IT

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WITHOUT GOING TO THE BALLOT, BUT

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IT'S THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE

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DONE, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SIT DOWN

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AS DUTIES AND COME UP WITH

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PROPOSALS.

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SOMETIMES IN A FOOTBALL GAME,

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YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO PUNT.

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I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN

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US GET THE FIRST DOWN, BUT TELL

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THE, THAT WAS THE BEST THAT

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COULD BE DONE.

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>> REMIND PEOPLE OF THE SENATE

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PLAN THAT PASSED THAT YOU

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SUPPORTED.

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>> THERE'S A TAX INCREASE.

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>> THERE'S A TAX INCREASE, YEAH.

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>> IT'S DONE STATUTORILY WITHOUT

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A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE.

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>> WE SHIFTED THE, WE PAY RETAIL

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IN THE PUMP PLUS THE 6 CENTS

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SALES TAX, WE WOULD HAVE SHIFTED

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TO A WHOLE SALE TAX TO INCREASE

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OVER TIME AND WOULD HAVE BEEN A

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TAX INCREASE.

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SOME OF IT WAS REGISTRATION

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FEES.

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>> IF IT PASSED THE SMELL TEST.

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>> I VOTED NO.

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I NEED TO MAKE SURE I PUT THAT

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ON RECORD.

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FIRST, I THINK THE OFFICE HAS

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DONE A GOOD JOB OF MAKING IT

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TRANSPARENT.

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WHAT WE WERE HAPPENED, HE SAID

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DONE A GOOD JOB OF OPENING IT UP

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AND LETTING PEOPLE SEE WHAT IT

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IS.

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I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING

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WE DO, I HATE TO BE A BROKEN

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RECORD, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT

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WE PUSH AND PASS REAL

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TRANSPARENCY.

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>> YOU VOTED NO BECAUSE?

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>> IT DIDN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE

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AT THE TIME.

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>> DOES IT MAKE SENSE NOW?

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>> THE DIFFERENCE IS WE WERE

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VOTING WHETHER TO TRANSFER

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OWNERSHIP OF THE BUILDING, AND

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WHO THE DEVELOPER WAS WOULD BE

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DETERMINED LATER.

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THE DEVELOPERS BEEN PICKED AND

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THE DEVELOPERS BEEN PAID.

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WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT DO WE DO

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WITH THE BELIEVE.

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I'M NOT COMMITTING THAT WE'RE--

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DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO VOTE TO

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HELP FIX THIS ISSUE, BUT WE MAY

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HAVE TO.

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I THINK THAT AS I SAID BEFORE,

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IF WE HAVE A TRANSPARENT PROS

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AND OPEN GOVERNMENT, PEOPLE MAY

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PEOPLE MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT

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THIS.

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WHEN THESE DEALS ARE DONE, IT

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DOES SEND A MESSAGE SOMETIMES

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THAT THERE'S TWO SETS OF RULES.

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>> SENATOR, THANKS FOR JOIN

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BEING US.

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>> MY PLEASURE, THANK YOU.

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>> WE'LL CATCH YOU LATER ON.

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THANKS TO MY COLLEAGUES AND

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WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK ON OFF

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THE RECORD.

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>> PRODUCTION IS MADE POSSIBLE