WELCOME BACK OUR GUEST THIS WEEK

IS REPRESENTATIVE HARVEY SANTANA

A MAVERICK DEMOCRAT FROM

DETROIT, OUR LEAD STORY NEW

POLLING DATA IN THE RACE FOR

GOVERNOR BAD NEWS FOR MR. TRUMP

ON THE OTR PANEL JONATHAN

OOSTING, KATHY GRAY AND JOHN

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AND NOW THIS EDITION OF OFF THE

RECORD WITH TIM SKUBICK.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, WELCOME

BACK TO OUR POST ELECTION

EDITION OF OFF THE REPORT AND

POLLING DATA FOR PRESIDENT AND

NOBODY LIKES EITHER OF THESE

GUYS.

PLENTY OF VOTERS THIS YEAR WHO

ARE NOT FOND OF EITHER CANDIDATE

BUT NORMALLY WHEN THAT HAPPENS

THE CANDIDATE WILL MAKE SOME

SORT OF RUN AT TRYING TO CONVERT

SOME OF THE OPPOSITION BUT WHEN

IT COMES TO THESE TWO IT MIGHT

BE A WASTE OF TIME, VOTERS WERE

ASKED EVEN IF THEY OPPOSED

EITHER HILLARY CLINTON OR DONALD

TRUMP IS THERE ANY CHANCE THEY

WOULD EVENTUALLY SUPPORT THEM,

42% SAID NO WAY FOR HER, 48%

SAID NO WAY FOR HIM.

SO IS JOHN TRUSCOT A REPUBLICAN

SURPRISED BY THIS.

>> THESE ARE THE TO MOST

UNPOPULAR PRESIDENTIAL

CANDIDATES PROBABLY IN OUR

LIFETIME TO RUN FOR OFFICE SO I

THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO

THE POLLS, THEY WILL HOLD THEIR

NOSE AND VOTE FOR ONE OR THE

OTHER OR MAYBE NOT VOTE AT ALL.

>> REPORTER: POLLSTERS

GREENBURG ASKED VOTERS TO LIST

CONCERNS ABOUT MS. CLINTON 43

SAID SHE WAS QUOTE PART OF THE

POLITICAL ELITE WHO HAVE GOTTEN

RICH SELLING ACCESS.

30% SAID MR. TRUMP PUT HIS

BUSINESSES IN BANKRUPTCY FOUR

TIMES, LAID OFF WORKERS AND

DEFRAUDED SMALL CONTRACTORS SO

IS THERE ANY WAY TO REHABILITATE

THOSE POOR IMAGES.

>> NOT SIGNIFICANTLY I MEAN

PEOPLE ARE PRETTY SET IN KNOWING

WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY ARE

ABLE.

SO I THINK IT'S PRETTY DIFFICULT

TO DO.

IT IS JUST WHO DO WE LIKE LEAST.

>> REPORTER: THE DEMOCRAT

SUPPORTING HILLARY CLINTON IS

NOT BOTHERED BY THE FACT SO MANY

OPPONENTS WON'T EVER COME OVER

TO HER SIDE.

IF YOU CAN'T WIN OVER YOUR

STRONGEST OPPONENTS IT TAKES

ELECTORAL.

>> SOME WILL VOTE DEMOCRAT AND

SOME REPUBLICAN.

>> DIV HAVE NUMBERS WHAT DO THEY

SAY.

>> HILLARY CLINTON COMING OUT OF

THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION WITH A

9 POINT LEAD IN MICHIGAN OVER

DONALD TRUMP, THAT WAS 41-32.

SOME OF THE MORE TELLING

FINDINGS 61% OF VOTERS SAID THEY

DID NOT THINK DONALD TRUMP WAS

FIT TO BE PRESIDENT WHICH IS A

MUCH HIGHER NUMBER THAN HILLARY

CLINTON.

ON THE TRUST ISSUE THAT HAS

SEEMED TO PLAGUE CLINTON

ACTUALLY VOTERS SAID THEY TRUST

THEY DON'T TRUST REALLY EITHER

OF THEM BUT THOSE NUMBERS WERE

ABOUT THE SAME AND ON FOREIGN

POLICY VOTERS BY A WIDE MARGIN

THOUGHT HILLARY CLINTON WOULD BE

BETTER.

>> WHAT ABOUT YOU?

>> WE STILL HAVE THREE MONTHS TO

GO BUT IT DEPENDS ON YOU KNOW

DONALD TRUMP HAD A HORRIBLE

WEEK.

HE WENT AFTER A GOLD STAR FAMILY

WHO LOST THEIR SON IN IRAQ, HE

HAD SOME QUESTIONABLE REMARKS

ABOUT SEXUAL HARASSMENT, TALKING

ABOUT RUSSIA AND CRIMEA AND

UKRAINE, IT WAS JUST A REALLY,

REALLY BAD WEEK.

>> DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE BABY.

>> GET THE BABY OUT OF THE

AUDIENCE.

BUT HE IS COMING HERE ON MONDAY.

WE WILL SEE HIM IN DETROIT AT

THE DETROIT ECONOMIC CLUB AND

TRYING TO REHABILITATE HIMSELF

AND WE WILL SEE IF HE HAS THE

ABILITY AND SELF-CONTROL TO BE

ABLE TO DO THAT.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHEN HE WILL

START TRYING OR DOING THAT.

I MEAN THE POST CONVENTION

PERIOD WHERE YOU USUALLY SORT OF

BASK IN THE GLOW A LITTLE WHILE

HE WAS MAKING CONTROVERSIAL

HEADLINES RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE

INCLUDING THE COMMENT YOU

MENTIONED ABOUT RUSSIA SAYING HE

WISHED THEY WOULD HACK HILLARY

CLINTON E-MAILS AND ESSENTIALLY

INVITING A FOREIGN COUNTRY TO A

METAL AND U.S. POLITICS AND OF

COURSE HE SAID HE WAS JOKING BUT

RIGHT THERE HE IS GRABBING

HEADLINES THAT CONTINUED THIS

WEEK WITH THE KHAN FAMILY AND

ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER.

WHEN YOU EXPECT HIM TO START

EASING INTO THAT GENERAL

ELECTION AND MAYBE TRYING TO SHY

AWAY SOME CONTROVERSY HE SIMPLY

HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO.

>> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS,

JOHN?

>> SINCE YOU AND I ARE OLD

ENOUGH THIS IS THE MOST BIZARRE

ELECTION.

>> SPEAK FOR YOURSELF PLEASE.

>> AND THE POINT THAT WAS MADE

ABOUT HOW 40% WOULD NOT CHANGE

THEIR MIND ABOUT NOT VOTING FOR

HILLARY AND 48 THAT SORT OF

REFLECTS THE CURRENT STATE OF

POLITICS, THE MIDDLE,

INDEPENDENCE HAVE BECOME SMALLER

AND SMALLER AND NOW MUCH OF THE

EFFORT POLITICIANS HAVE TO HAVE

IS MAKE SURE THEY GET THE BASE

TO SUPPORT THE CANDIDATE.

THAT IS A BIG PROBLEM ON TRUMP'S

SIDE.

IT'S A PROBLEM SOMEWHAT ON

CLINTON'S SIDE AS WELL

ESPECIALLY THOSE PEOPLE THAT

BACK BERNIE SANDERS WHETHER OR

NOT THEY WILL COME OVER BUT IT'S

A BIGGER PROBLEM FOR TRUMP AND

GIVEN AS EVERYONE HAS POINTED

OUT THAT HE HAS REDEFINED THE

TERM LOOSE CANON I THINK WHAT

ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WILL SEE

IS THE DEMOCRATS KEEP GOING

AFTER HIM AND IN SOME REGRET

SOME ATTEMPTS EITHER TRY TO MOVE

REPUBLICANS OVER TO AT LEAST

VOTE FOR CLINTON OR NOT VOTE AT

ALL OR VOTE FOR THE LIBERTARIAN

CANDIDATE GARY JOHNSON.

>> NOT VOTING AT ALL IS WHAT

REALLY COULD AFFECT THE RACES

AND REPUBLICAN VOTERS STAY HOME

ARE NOT VOTING FOR THE STATE

HOUSE CANDIDATES OR ANY LOWER

SEATS AND DEMOCRATS SEE THAT AS

A REAL OPPORTUNITY.

>> I THINK WHAT WILL BE MORE

REALISTIC IS THEY WOULD NOT VOTE

FOR PRESIDENT, THEY WOULD VOTE

REPUBLICAN EVERYWHERE ELSE BUT

REPUBLICANS AFTER ALL HAVE

ALMOST A RELIGIOUS CONVICTION TO

SHOW UP AND VOTE REPUBLICAN FOR

EVERY THING AND LEAVE THE

PRESIDENT BLANK.

>> I SPOKE TO THE POLLSTER THIS

WEEK AND HE SAID FOR THE FIRST

TIME IF YOU ARE A HOUSE

CANDIDATE IN CERTAIN AREAS AND

NOT MACOMB AND OTHER DISTRICTS

YOU QUOTE SHOULD BE CONCERNED OF

THE TOP OF THE TICKET.

>> THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE

DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO TIE EVERY

SINGLE CANDIDATE TO DONALD TRUMP

AND SO THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING

TO HAVE TO DANCE THEIR WAY

AROUND THAT, WHETHER THEY ARE

GOING TO COME OUT AND SUPPORT

HIM OR IF THEY ARE GOING TO SAY

HEY YOU KNOW HE IS NOT MY GUY

BUT WOULD THE REPUBLICAN

CANDIDATES COME OUT AND SAY WELL

I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR HILLARY

CLINTON OR NOT VOTE AT ALL SO I

THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A REAL

DELICATE BALANCE FOR REPUBLICAN

CANDIDATES.

>> THE HOUSE RACES IN THE

PRIMARIES WHAT DID WE LEARN FROM

THAT THIS WEEK AND VIS-A-VIS,

ANYTHING.

>> LOST A COUPLE OF CANDIDATES

THEY FAVORED ESPECIALLY UP NORTH

WHICH IN THEORY COULD HURT THEIR

CHANCES OF WINNING CONTROL OF

THE HOUSE AND THAT WAS A BIG

TASK FOR THEM TO WIN CONTROL OF

THE HOUSE AND HAD TO WIN NINE

SEATS.

>> RIGHT.

>> UNDER MOST CIRCUMSTANCES THAT

IS A REALLY HEAVY LIFT.

SO IN THEORY LOSING THOSE TWO

CANDIDATES COULD HURT BUT AS WAS

POINTED OUT IF WE SEE A BIG TURN

OFF BY DONALD TRUMP AND WE SEE

PEOPLE EITHER NOT VOTE OR DECIDE

THEY ARE GOING TO VOTE

DEMOCRATIC THAT COULD HAVE AN

AFFECT.

THE FACT WE WILL LIKELY SEE

STRAIGHT TICKET VOTING HAPPEN IN

THIS NOVEMBER COULD ALSO BE A

POSITIVE FOR THE DEMOCRATS.

BUT IN TERMS OF BIG BIG

SURPRISES OF PEOPLE WHO DID NOT

WIN THERE WERE NOT ANY ENORMOUS

SURPRISES.

>> ONE ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE

THAT DEMOCRATS ARE SORT OF

ENCOURAGED I GUESS BY JEFF NOBLE

AND PLYMOUTH WINNING THE SEAT

HELD BY KURT HIZI AND TEA PARTY

BACKED BY PATRICK COLBECK AND

DEMOCRATS THINK HE IS A LITTLE

TOO CONSERVATIVE FOR THAT

DISTRICT WHICH IS A GOP LEANING

DISTRICT AND DEMOCRATS THINK

THEY HAVE A REAL SHOT.

>> AND WAS ONE OF THOSE

REPUBLICANS WHO WAS WILLING TO

WORK WITH DEMOCRATS A TOUCH MORE

MODERATE AS MODERATE AS

REPUBLICANS GET THESE DAYS.

>> SUB TEXT OF THE RACE WAS

LEONARD OR HULAND FOR SPEAKING

ASSUMING REPUBLICANS REMAIN

CONTROL DO WE HAVE A WINNER

THERE.

>> IT SEEMS LIKE TOM LEONARD MAY

HAVE GOTTEN A LEG UP ON THAT AND

WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN

NOVEMBER.

>> HIS PEOPLE ARE SHOPPING THE

STORY THEY THINK THEY ARE AT 31,

31 VOTES AND THEY DON'T THINK

VERHULEN IS NOT CLOSE TO THAT

WHAT ARE YOU PICKING UP ON THAT?

>> NUMBERS ASSUME THE PRIMARY

WINNERS WILL WIN THE GENERAL

ELECTION AS WELL AND THE

DISTRICTS COULD BE AN OPEN

QUESTION SO I THINK IT'S TOO

SOON TO SAY.

>> JUST BACK FROM THE CONVENTION

FIRST OF ALL DID YOU HAVE FUN?

>> FUN IS NOT A WORD I WOULD

USE.

>> FILL IN THE BLANKS.

>> IT WAS GREAT BEING AT BOTH OF

THEM.

IT WAS A REALLY, IT WAS A REALLY

FANTASTIC EXPERIENCE AT BOTH BUT

IT'S A LOT OF WORK TOO, SO FUN.

>> IT'S A FORCED MARCH.

>> IT IS.

>> WHAT DID YOU LEARN THERE THAT

YOU DIDN'T KNOW GOING IN?

>> I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT BERNIE

SANDERS SUPPORTERS WERE AS DUG

IN AS THEY WERE.

IT WAS A MUCH MORE ALMOST

VOLATILE SITUATION IN

PHILADELPHIA THAN IT WAS IN

CLEVELAND, EVERYONE WAS

EXPECTING CLEVELAND TO EXPLODE

WITH BLACK LIVES MATTERS AND A

LOT OF PROTEST GROUPS COMING IN.

THAT DID NOT MATERIALIZE AS MUCH

AS THERE WERE HUGE PROTESTS IN

RIGHT OUTSIDE THE ARENA IN

PHILADELPHIA.

>> IT CONTINUED RIGHT UP INTO

HER SPEECH THAT NIGHT AS THEY

TRIED TO DROWN HER OUT BUT THEY

HAD THE FLOOR CUEDED THEM UP.

>> MOST OF THE DRAMA AT THE DEM

CONVENTION HAPPENED IN THE FIRST

COUPLE DAYS AND CERTAINLY IT WAS

A LARGE COLLECTIVE GROUP OF

BERNIE SANDERS DELEGATES THAT

WERE LEADING THAT PROTEST, THEY

WERE SMALL IN NUMBER COMPARED TO

THE OVER ALL BERNIE DELEGATE

POOL THAT WAS THERE.

IN MICHIGAN IT WAS PROBABLY LESS

THAN TEN OF THE BERNIE DELEGATES

WHO WENT TO THE CONVENTION WHO

ARE REALLY DIE HARD AND REALLY

SAYING THEY WEREN'T GOING TO

VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON NO

MATTER WHAT BERNIE SANDERS SAID,

BERNIE SANDERS CAME AND SPOKE TO

THE MICHIGAN DELEGATION DIRECTLY

URGING THEM TO DO SO AND THEY

SAID, YOU KNOW, HILLARY CLINTON

IS GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE MY

MIND, NOT BERNIE SANDERS.

PEOPLE ATTRACTED TO HIM BECAUSE

OF HIS PURE IDEOLOGY THAT IS

CONSISTENCY SO TO ASK THEM TO

CHANGE THEIR MINDS SEEM TO

BETRAY THAT CONSISTENCY AT LEAST

THAT IS HOW THEY PUT IT.

>> LEAD STORY OUT OF THE

MICHIGAN DELEGATION?

>> BOY.

>> THERE WAS NONE.

>> THERE REALLY WASN'T.

>> WHICH IS AMAZING, ISN'T IT?

50, 60 POLITICIANS FROM THE

STATE AND THEY CAN'T MAKE NEWS.

>> THE MICHIGAN DELEGATION IN

FOUR YEARS AGO IN TAMPA WAS YOU

KNOW THE TOAST OF THE TOWN.

>> RIGHT.

>> FOR THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION

BECAUSE OF MITT ROMNEY AND IT

WASN'T THAT WAY FOR THE

DELEGATION EITHER IN

PHILADELPHIA OR CLEVELAND.

YOU KNOW THEY WERE GETTING WELL

CHRIS CHRISTIE CAME AND SPOKE TO

THE MICHIGAN DELEGATION IN

CLEVELAND, JOHN KASICH BUT

OTHERWISE YOU KNOW THE MICHIGAN

DELEGATION WASN'T A HUGE FACTOR.

>> EASY TO SAY MAYBE THAT MEANS

MICHIGAN IS NOT A PRIORITY BUT

TIM KAINE AND DONALD TRUMP ARE

COMING TO MICHIGAN IN THE NEXT

FEW DAYS AND AT THE DEMOCRATIC

CONVENTION THERE WERE AT LEAST

FOUR PEOPLE FIVE IF YOU COUNT

SENATOR SPABENEW WITH A BRIEF

PART ON THE STAGE.

>> ANALYSIS TODD SAID HE THINKS

IT COULD COME DOWN TO TWO STATES

WISCONSIN AND MICHIGAN, HELLO

OHIO AND FLORIDA.

ARE YOU BUYING INTO THAT?

ARE WE THAT MUCH IN PLAY?

>> IT'S HARD TO SAY.

YOU'VE GOT AN AWFUL LOT OF

PEOPLE IN THIS STATE AND ALSO IN

WISCONSIN WHO RAVIDLY HATE

PRESIDENT OBAMA AND HATE HILLARY

CLINTON AND THAT IS ONE THING

THAT I THINK THAT THEY ARE

HOPING THAT THEY CAN DRAW THOSE

FOLKS IN.

SOME OF THEM ARE DEMOCRATS, MOST

ARE REPUBLICANS AND SO OBVIOUSLY

THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WANTS TO

PLAYOFF OF THAT.

IT'S HARD TO SAY HOWEVER I MEAN

TRUMP HAS OFFENDED SO MANY

DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE

WHATEVER ADVANTAGE THEY MAY HAVE

FROM THAT MAY BE OFFSET BECAUSE

HE CANNOT DO ANYTHING BUT

OFFENDS SOMEBODY.

>> A COMMENTATOR TODAY SAID THE

GROUP HE NEEDS TO GET TO THE

POLLS ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T

VOTED, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT

ARE UPSET WITH THE SYSTEM AND

SEE HIM AS SORT OF THIS KNIGHT

IN SHININGLY ARMOR ON THE WHITE

HORSE RIDING IN AND IF THEY TURN

THE NEGATIVE TO POSITIVE THEY

WILL WIN AND LET'S BRING IN

MR. SANTANA.

DETROUT REPRESENTATIVE HARVEY

SANTANA IS IN HIS FINAL TERM IN

THE HOUSE BUT HIS SPOUSE WILL

KEEP IT IN THE FAMILY NEXT

NOVEMBER, THE RANKING DEMOCRAT

ON THE HOUSE BUDGET COMMITTEE

AND URBAN PLANNER A STAFFER FOR

THE DETROIT CITY COUNCIL AND

SERVED IN THE NAVY BEFORE GOING

INTO POLITICS, HE HOLDS DEGREES

FROM EASTERN MICHIGAN.

HOW IS IT GOING REPRESENTATIVE?

>> GOOD BUT WE START YOU ARE AT

A COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE THERE

ARE ONLY FOUR OF YOU.

ONE MORE AND I WOULD BE SCARED.

>> ONE OF KIND OF THOSE SHOWS.

HAVING SET THE STAGE GO FOR IT,

MAN.

>> ALL RIGHT.

WELL YOU PROBABLY ARE WELL-KNOWN

FOR THE FACT THAT YOU ARE A

DEMOCRAT WHOSE PARTY DOESN'T

MUCH LIKE YOU OR THE CAUCUS

DOESN'T MUCH LIKE YOU.

FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE, MORE

DEMOCRAT IN THE CAUCUS NEED TO

BE MORE LIKE YOU?

>> FIRST OF ALL I THINK THERE IS

ONLY A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO

DON'T, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE MY

STYLE.

THE REST OF THE DEMOCRATS LIKE

WHAT I'M DOING.

THEY SEE WHAT I'M DOING

ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY COME TO ME

DURING APPROPRIATIONS AND ASK ME

FOR HELP.

>> PUBLICALLY.

>> IT WON'T COME PUBLICALLY BUT

THEY WILL SIT IN MY OFFICE

SAYING CAN YOU HELP ME,

ABSOLUTELY WE ARE DEMOCRATS AND

WORK TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE IT

HAPPENS FOR YOU.

AND I SAID IT LAST TIME ON THIS

SHOW AND KINDS OF SCREWED IT UP

BUT I WILL FIX IT KNOW WHAT YOU

WILL SEE IS THERE ARE GOING TO

BE MORE DEMOCRATS LIKE HARVEY

SANTANA THAT ARE GOING TO START

SPRINGING OUT OF THE BUNCH

BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE IS A

GENUINE UNHAPPINESS ABOUT HOW

THINGS ARE HAPPENING AND IF YOU

SEE WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN

THE FALL, IF THE NUMBERS GET

TIGHT WHICH I THINK THEY ARE

IT'S GOING TO BE HARDER TO GET

TO 56 SO THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE

TO PULL UP TO HARVEY SANTANA TO

WORK ACROSS THE AILE.

>> YOU AND YOUR WIFE TOOK UP THE

ACCOMPLISHMENT AND YOU WON.

>> THE ESTABLISHMENT TOOK US ON

AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS

LEADERSHIP IN THE DEMOCRATIC

CAUCUS SUPPORTED ANOTHER

CANDIDATE.

>> WHAT DID MR. GRIMEL SAY?

>> THERE HAS BEEN CONVERSATIONS

INSIDE CLOSED DOORS WHERE HE

SAID I WANT THE 9TH HOUSE

DISTRICT BACK WHICH WE TOOK

EXCEPTION TO BECAUSE IT DOESN'T

BELONG TO YOU BUT THE PEOPLE

THEM NUMBER ONE.

>> THE SEAT NEXT WEEK.

>> GOOD.

AND SECOND, YOU KNOW, THE

ORGANIZED LABOR I WAS VERY

DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE THEY WERE

EXTREMELY DISCRIMINATORY AND

PREJUDICIAL TOWARDS MY WIFE.

THEY WOULD NOT GIVE HER AN

ENDORSEMENT SCREENING AND WOULD

NOT RETURN HER PHONE CALLS.

AND SO MOVING FORWARD I THINK

THAT LABOR AND HOUSE DEMOCRATIC

LEADERSHIP IS GOING TO HAVE TO

DO A REALLY GOOD JOB AT EARNING

HER TRUST.

>> YOU'RE NOT PART OF THE

DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS RIGHT NOW IN

THE HOUSE.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM, I'M A

FLOATER YOU KNOW, I'M JUST

THERE.

>> DO YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE IN

YOUR WIFE WILL AT LEAST HAVE AN

OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT OR ARE

YOU ENCOURAGING HER?

>> I AM AND I TOLD MY WIFE I

SAYS LOOK YOU CAN'T BE LIKE ME.

ONLY I CAN BE LIKE ME.

YOU GOT TO BE YOU AND YOU HAVE

TO SHOW PEOPLE WHO HARVEY

SANTANA FELL IN LOVE WITH SO

MANY YEARS AGO.

SHE IS SO DIFFERENT TO ME.

THIS IS A GODLY WOMAN.

THIS IS A MOM.

THIS IS A WIFE.

THIS IS A COMMUNITY PERSON.

HER STYLE IS SO DIFFERENT THAN

MINE.

>> YOU TOLD HER NOT TO RUN.

>> I ENCOURAGED HER NOT TO RUN.

I TRIED TO TALK HER OUT OF IT

BUT SHE HAD HER CONVICTION AND

SHE KNEW WHAT SHE WANTED TO DO

AND I TOLD HER YOU RUN THEY ARE

NOT GOING TO COME AFTER YOU,

THEY ARE GOING TO COME AFTER ME

AND THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO GET

TO YOU BECAUSE OF ME.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET

OUT THERE AND YOU ARE GOING TO

HAVE KNOCK THE DOORS AND TALK TO

THE VOTERS AND I WILL TELL YOU

8,000 DOORS LATER PEOPLE KNEW

WHO SHE WAS.

THEY SAW HER SPIRIT.

AND THEY KNOW WHAT SHE IS ABOUT.

I TELL YOU WE DIDN'T CAMPAIGN ON

THE ISSUE BUT ONE OUT OF THREE

VOTERS THERE WE CAME TO TALK TO

AUTO INSURANCE WAS THE ISSUE FAR

BEYOND ANYTHING THAT I'VE EVER

SEEN.

I MEAN IT WAS INCREDIBLE.

AND SO MIKE DUGGAN WAS A BIG

SUPPORTER OF MY WIFE AND MET

LAST NIGHT AND HAD A PHONE

CONVERSATION TODAY, I DON'T KNOW

WHAT THEY TALKED ABOUT.

BUT YOU KNOW WE ARE DUGGAN

DEMOCRATS.

>> IS SHE GOING TO BE SUPPORTING

THE D INSURANCE?

MAYOR DUGGAN IS PUSHING?

THEY ARE HAVING CONVERSATIONS.

I HAVE THE D INSURANCE BILL ON

MY DESK AND I CANNOT SUPPORT IT

IN ITS PRESENT FORM.

IT'S NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO

RIGHT NOW.

I THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT OF

HIGH-LEVEL CONVERSATIONS THAT

THE MAYOR IS GOING TO HAVE AND

I'M CONFIDENT, I'M VERY, VERY

CONFIDENT THAT MAN'S LEADERSHIP

ABILITY TO GET THIS THING DONE

BECAUSE IT HAS TO GET DONE.

PERCENT OF MOTORISTS DON'T HAVE

INSURANCE.

>> ACCUSE THEM OF BEING

PREJUDICIAL TO YOUR WIFE.

YES.

>> DOES THAT SOUND LIKE

ORGANIZED LABOR TO YOU?

>> I DON'T KNOW TIM I DON'T

UNDERSTAND LABOR ANY MORE.

THE LABOR ORGANIZATION WE ARE

WITH IS THE OPERATING ENGINEERS

AND LOCAL 25 STAYED OUT OF IT

BUT EVERYBODY ELSE JUST WOULD

NOT GIVE HER A FAIR CHANCE,

WOULDN'T GIVE HER A FAIR CHANCE

AND IN PART IT'S BECAUSE OF WHAT

HOUSE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP

FORCED THEM TO DO.

>> WHY, WHY DO YOU THINK YOU ARE

SO DISLIKED AMONG LEADERSHIP?

>> BECAUSE I'M AN END THINKER

AND CAN THINK FOR MYSELF, YOU

WILL NOT PUT ME IN A ROOM AND

BRAIN WASH ME AND TELL ME HERE

IS OUR VALUES STICK TO THEM.

>> WHO TRIED TO BRING THAT?

>> YOU GO IN A ROOM, WE HAVE A

BIG CONFERENCE AND OUR BIG

CONVERSATIONS AND WHAT ENDS UP

IS THEY BULLY YOU INTO BELIEVING

THESE THINGS AND HOW ABOUT THOSE

GUYS OVER THERE BECAUSE THEY

DON'T BELIEVE THOSE THINGS AND

RUNNING ACROSS THE YARD TRYING

TO GET THINGS FOR THE DISTRICT

AND TELLING ME I HAVE TO BE A

GOOD DEMOCRAT AND SIT DOWN AND

SHUT UP AND DO YOU KNOW WHO

YOU'RE DEALING WITH?

>> YOU SAID A SECOND AGO THE

DEMOCRATS TRIED TO FORCE LABOR

TO DO CERTAIN THINGS, WHAT IS IT

YOU THINK THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE

TRYING TO FORCE LABOR TO DO?

>> THEY FORCED LABOR TO SUPPORT

THE OTHER CANDIDATE IN THE RACE.

>> DON'T THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO

THAT?

>> AGAIN AND THEREFORE THEY WILL

HAVE TO WORK HARD TO GET HARVEY

SANTANA'S TRUST.

HAS THE DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP

REACHED OUT TO YOUR WIFE?

>> YEAH, THE CEREMONIAL THING

WELCOME TO THE CAUCUS AND WE

JOKE HARVEY WON THE FOURTH TERM,

I'M DONE AND YOU WILL COME HOME

AND ASK ME ABOUT AN ISSUE, TALK

TO ME ABOUT IT AND I'M GOING TO

GIVE YOU MY OPINION AND I'M

GOING TO GO CUT THE GRASS.

>> YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE BILL

CLINTON.

>> I'M GOING TO BE HARVEY

SANTANA.

>> SOMEBODY THAT WORKED SORT OF

AS AN INDEPENDENT ESSENTIALLY

FOR THE LAST COUPLE CYCLES HOW

DO YOU COMPARE JACE-BULGER AND

KEVIN COTTER?

>> I CAN'T AND I'M NOT A

REPUBLICAN AND DON'T UNDERSTAND

WHAT IS IN THE REPUBLICAN DNA.

>> THEY BOTH COME TO YOU TRYING

TO WORK THIS OUT.

>> YEAH, I MEAN, BOTH OF THEIR

STYLES ARE SIMILAR IN THAT THEY

HAVE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO ME

AND THEY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT

IT AND I MEAN I HAD THEM BOTH IN

MY HOME AND DRUNK MY PUERTO RICO

COFFEE AND TOURED THE

NEIGHBORHOOD AND SHOWED THEM

EXPERIENCES AND REALITIES OF

LIFE IN MY COMMUNITY AND I SHOW

THEM WHERE TWO-YEAR-OLD KID GOT

MURDERED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF

AN ASSAULT WEAPON.

I SHOWED THEM YOU KNOW THE

HOUSING ISSUES AND I TAKE A LOT

OF PRIDE IN THAT AND I TOOK

JACE-BOLGER AND COTTER IN A

ABANDON HOUSE AND SHOWED THEM

WHAT THE SCRAP METAL PROBLEM WAS

ABOUT ON MONDAY AND TUESDAY THE

BILL FLEW OUT OF THE HOUSE.

I TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN THAT.

>> DO YOU SUPPORT THE SCHOOL

SUPPORTING THE GOVERNOR ON WHAT

WAS PASSED?

>> TIM, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE

GUYS ARE DOING.

>> COULD THE CURRENT SCHOOL

BOARD?

>> DO WE HAVE A CURRENT SCHOOL

BOARD?

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A SCHOOL

BOARD ANYMORE.

THEY ARE LIKE IN LIMBO STATUS.

I KNOW LEMAR LEMONS THE FORMER

PRESIDENT OF THE SCHOOL BOARD IS

CHALLENGING.

>> IS THAT A WASTE OF TIME?

>> IT IS IF THERE IS NO POSITIVE

RESULT IN YOUR FAVOR.

I MEAN IF YOU ARE NOT GETTING

THE RESULTS THAT YOU WANTED THEN

WHY DID YOU DO IT IN THE FIRST

PLACE?

AND I CAN UNDERSTAND CEREMONIAL

POLITICS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO

THIS TO PUT UP A FRONT BUT I CAN

ALSO UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW TAKING

A STAND ON SOMETHING KNOWING YOU

ARE GOING TO POSSIBLY GET

SOMETHING OUT OF IT.

>> AND THEY HAVE NO CHANCE OF

GETTING ANYTHING SO THEREFORE

THEY SHOULD BACK OFF.

>> YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO

KEEP PLAYING FLAG.

>> BUT IT'S FRUITLESS.

>> FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I DON'T

THINK IT'S GOING TO GO ANYWHERE.

>> THE PACKAGE AND WHAT IS YOUR

MINDSET NOW DO THE BEST WITH

WHAT YOU CAN?

>> MY MINDSET NOW IS THE SAME

MINDSET I HAD BEFORE, I DIDN'T

SEE THE LARGER CORPORATE AND

PHILANTHROPY SUPPORT THAT IS

REALLY NEEDED TO GET IN THE

LIVES OF THESE CHILDREN.

>> ISN'T THERE TIME FOR THAT TO

COME?

>> THERE IS PLENTY OF TIME BUT

DO YOU KNOW WHAT I DON'T SEE

PLENTY OF SUPPORT RIGHT NOW.

LISTEN WHEN CERTAIN PEOPLE WANT

THINGS THERE IS AN ENLESS SUPPLY

OF RESOURCE YOU WON'T HOCKEY

STADIUM WE WILL PASS A BILL AND

A TRAIN ON WOODWARD WE WILL PASS

A BILL AND SAVE ART THERE IS

MONEY THAT FALLS FROM THE

HEAVENS WITH CHAMPAIGN, YOU WANT

TO HELP KIDS IN DETROIT WHERE IS

THAT MONEY?

WE GOT TO HAVE CONTROL OF THIS

AND THAT AND WE GOT TO HAVE THE

LEGISLATION THIS WAY AND WANT

THESE PEOPLE AND VOTE AND AGAIN

SHOW ME THE HELP FOR THE

CHILDREN THAT CHANGED THEIR

LIVES AND I WILL SHOW YOU WHAT

HARVEY SANTANA CAN DO AND I DID

NOT SEE IT IN THE BILL PACKAGE

AND YOU KNOW WE COULD TALK ABOUT

715 MILLION AND THIS THAT AND

THE OTHER BUT THE END OF THE DAY

I WAS LOOKING FOR A LARGER

INVESTMENT IN THE LIVES OF THE

CHILDREN THAT GOVERNMENT WASN'T

GOING TO DO OR CAPABLE OF DOING.

>> BANKRUPTCY FOR THE DISTRICT

IS NOW OFF THE TABLE?

>> APPARENTLY.

I MEAN WE CHECKED THE BOX AND

PAID THE BILL, THE STATE DOESN'T

HAVE TO BE LIABLE FOR IT.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE

CONTINUED STATE OVERSIGHT WHAT

EVER THE NEW BOARD DOES?

>> I'M NEVER IN SUPPORT OF

CONTINUED STATE OVERSIGHT BUT

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS

DEMOCRATS ARE IN CHARGE TO

CHANGE THAT.

>> WHAT IS GOING ON WITH GETTING

PEOPLE TO RUN FOR THE SCHOOL

BOARD IN DETROIT IS THERE AN

ACTIVE RECRUITING EFFORTS GOING

ON?

>> THE PONYS ARE IN THE GATE AND

GETTING READY TO RUN.

I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF

I MEAN PEOPLE SHOWED UP BUT IT'S

ALMOST LIKE BUYING THE LOTTERY,

YOU KNOW, PAY 100 BUT I DON'T

SEE WHAT THE PRIZE IS BECAUSE

IT'S NOT A PAYING JOB.

>> WHO IS YOUR CANDIDATE FOR

GOVERNOR?

>> YOU KNOW, I TOLD YOU BEFORE

I'M A DUGGAN DEMOCRAT.

>> HE SAID HE IS NOT RUNNING.

>> WAIT A MINUTE WE DON'T KNOW

THAT, YOU KNOW.

POLITICIANS SAY A WHOLE LOT OF

THINGS BUT WHEN OPPORTUNITY

PRESENTS ITSELF THINGS TEND TO

CHANGE SO IF MIKE DUGGAN DECIDED

THAT IS WHAT HE WANTED TO BE I'M

GOING TO SUPPORT MY MAYOR

BECAUSE I LIKE HIM.

>> HAVE YOU TOLD HIM TO RUN?

>> I HAVE NOT HAD THAT

CONVERSATION WITH HIM.

THE OTHER PERSON I DO LIKE IS

GRETCHEN WITMER AND REALLY LIKE

GRETCHEN.

>> BECAUSE?

>> WE GET ALONG AND NUMBER ONE I

UNDERSTAND HER AND SHE

UNDERSTANDS ME AND IN THIS WORLD

OF HILLARY CLINTON I THINK IT'S

TIME FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE LIKE

GRETCHEN WITH A BACKBONE AND

SPINE TO TAKE THINGS ON.

>> COULD YOU VOTE FOR BILL

SCHUTTE?

>> THROW THIS AT YOU MAN.

>> THAT HAPPY NOTE THANK YOU

REPRESENTATIVE GOOD TO SEE YOU

AGAIN.

>> PLEASURE.

>> AND TAKES TO YOU GUYS AND SEE

YOU NEXT WEEK AS WE PRO AND TIM

GRIMEL WILL BE IN THE SEAT.

>> TELL HIM I SAID HELLO.

>> SEE YOU THEN, FOLKS.