1 00:00:00,133 --> 00:00:02,133 >> WELCOME BACK TO THE SPECIAL 2 00:00:02,133 --> 00:00:04,066 EDITION OF OFF THE RECORD. 3 00:00:04,066 --> 00:00:05,800 IT'S A BUSY ONE AS WE UNBUNDLE 4 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:06,800 INCLUDING THE REPUBLICAN AND 5 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:08,400 DEMOCRATIC PARTY CONVENTIONS THE 6 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:09,900 GOVERNOR'S KIDNAPPING TRIAL GO 7 00:00:09,900 --> 00:00:12,066 SOUTH WITH THE FBI AND A 8 00:00:12,066 --> 00:00:13,700 POSSIBLE DEAL INVOLVING DONALD 9 00:00:13,700 --> 00:00:15,700 TRUMP AND AN ENDORSEMENT IN THE 10 00:00:15,700 --> 00:00:21,833 RACE FOR GOVERNOR. 11 00:00:21,833 --> 00:00:23,800 SIT IN WITH US AS WE GET THE 12 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:28,566 INSIDE OUT OFF THE RECORD. 13 00:00:28,566 --> 00:00:30,233 >> PRODUCTION OF OFF THE RECORD 14 00:00:30,233 --> 00:00:31,933 IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY 15 00:00:31,933 --> 00:00:33,833 MARTIN WEHMEIER A FULL-SERVICE 16 00:00:33,833 --> 00:00:36,133 STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS AGENCY 17 00:00:36,133 --> 00:00:37,366 PARTNERING WITH CLIENTS TO 18 00:00:37,366 --> 00:00:38,866 PUBLIC RELATIONS DIGITAL 19 00:00:38,866 --> 00:00:40,266 MARKETING AND PUBLIC POLICY 20 00:00:40,266 --> 00:00:45,200 ENGAGEMENT. 21 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,866 >> NOW THIS EDITION OF OFF THE 22 00:00:47,866 --> 00:00:50,433 RECORD. 23 00:00:50,433 --> 00:00:51,866 >> WELCOME BACK. 24 00:00:51,866 --> 00:00:53,100 AS OFTEN HAPPENS IN THIS 25 00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:55,566 BUSINESS WE PUT LAST WEEK'S 26 00:00:55,566 --> 00:00:58,100 PROGRAM TO BED AND THAT A BIG 27 00:00:58,100 --> 00:00:59,800 STORY. 28 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:01,333 WHO WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE 29 00:01:01,333 --> 00:01:06,366 DECISION AND THE GOVERNOR 30 00:01:06,366 --> 00:01:07,466 KIDNAPPING CASE. 31 00:01:07,466 --> 00:01:08,800 >> THERE WINNERS AND LOSERS IN 32 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,000 EVERY TRIBE AND NO ONE SAW THIS 33 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,400 COMING I WAS IN COURT AS THESE 34 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:12,633 VERDICTS AND NON- VERDICTS WERE 35 00:01:12,633 --> 00:01:13,800 ANNOUNCED. 36 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,733 FAMILY MEMBERS WERE GASPING AND 37 00:01:15,733 --> 00:01:18,100 THEN THERE WERE TEARS OF JOY. 38 00:01:18,100 --> 00:01:24,533 >> IS HE HAPPY HE HAD -- IS HE 39 00:01:24,533 --> 00:01:25,466 HAPPY? 40 00:01:25,466 --> 00:01:27,533 >> DON'T OVERSTATE THE OBVIOUS. 41 00:01:27,533 --> 00:01:29,033 >> IT WAS A ROLL OF THE DICE FOR 42 00:01:29,033 --> 00:01:30,700 THEIR SON DANIEL HERE TOOK THE 43 00:01:30,700 --> 00:01:35,466 STAND AND TOLD JURY THERE IS NO 44 00:01:35,466 --> 00:01:41,233 SERIOUS PLOT TO KIDNAP THE 45 00:01:41,233 --> 00:01:41,966 GOVERNOR. 46 00:01:41,966 --> 00:01:43,433 HARRIS HAD TO BEEN FOUND NOT 47 00:01:43,433 --> 00:01:45,666 GUILTY ON KIDNAPPING CONSPIRACY 48 00:01:45,666 --> 00:01:48,000 TO BOMB CHARGES AND THE ILLEGALS 49 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,500 SHORT BARREL RIFLE CHARGE 50 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:51,866 APPEARED >> HE DID AN INCREDIBLE 51 00:01:51,866 --> 00:01:53,400 JOB TELLING THE TRUTH AT THE 52 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:54,933 JURY BELIEVED HIM AND I'M SO 53 00:01:54,933 --> 00:01:56,666 HAPPY THEY GAVE HIM THE BENEFIT 54 00:01:56,666 --> 00:01:58,433 OF THAT PURE >> IT'S A STUNNING 55 00:01:58,433 --> 00:02:00,400 DEFEAT FOR THE FEDS THE FBI 56 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:08,500 INVESTED SO MUCH IN THIS. 57 00:02:08,500 --> 00:02:10,000 THEY MADE THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF 58 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,166 UNDERCOVER RECORDING. 59 00:02:13,166 --> 00:02:14,400 >> WE ARE DISAPPOINTED WITH THE 60 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,766 OUTCOME. 61 00:02:16,766 --> 00:02:17,700 WITHOUT THE JURY WOULD CONVICT 62 00:02:17,700 --> 00:02:19,200 CONVICT BASED ON THE EVIDENCE WE 63 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:20,000 PUT FORWARD. 64 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,366 >> BRANDON WAS FOUND NOT GUILTY 65 00:02:22,366 --> 00:02:24,100 ON HIS CHARGE CONSPIRACY TO 66 00:02:24,100 --> 00:02:26,400 KIDNAP AT THE GOVERNOR. 67 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:31,600 THE JURY'S VIDEOS OF HIM, AND 68 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,866 THAT HE WOULD TAKE NO PRISONERS. 69 00:02:34,866 --> 00:02:36,466 >> IF THIS WHOLE THING STARTS TO 70 00:02:36,466 --> 00:02:38,366 HAPPEN I TELL YOU WHAT I AM 71 00:02:38,366 --> 00:02:41,433 TAKING OUT AS MANY OF THOSE AS I 72 00:02:41,433 --> 00:02:42,400 CAN. 73 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,500 EVERY SINGLE ONE. 74 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:45,800 >> HIS ATTORNEY SAID IT WAS FREE 75 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,966 SPEECH IS NOT A CRIME AND THIS 76 00:02:47,966 --> 00:02:49,466 WAS NEVER A PLOT. 77 00:02:49,466 --> 00:02:51,566 >> ARE GOVERNOR WAS NEVER IN ANY 78 00:02:51,566 --> 00:02:54,200 DANGER AND I THINK THE JURY 79 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:55,800 DIDN'T GET ALL OF IT BUT THEY 80 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,233 SMELLED ENOUGH OF IT. 81 00:02:57,233 --> 00:02:59,200 >> IS HE HAPPY? 82 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:00,766 >> I'M SURE IT IS IT IS HIS 83 00:03:00,766 --> 00:03:01,966 BIRTHDAY. 84 00:03:01,966 --> 00:03:04,433 >> TURNS OUT THEY WERE RELEASED 85 00:03:04,433 --> 00:03:05,800 FROM CUSTODY WITHIN MINUTES THEY 86 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:06,966 HAD BEEN LOCKED UP SINCE THEY 87 00:03:06,966 --> 00:03:08,266 WERE ARRESTED A YEAR AND A HALF 88 00:03:08,266 --> 00:03:09,466 AGO. 89 00:03:09,466 --> 00:03:10,833 THIS WAS A JURY OF SIX WOMEN IN 90 00:03:10,833 --> 00:03:12,366 SIX MEN'S IDENTITIES ARE NOT 91 00:03:12,366 --> 00:03:14,133 REVEALED PUBLICLY EVEN DEFENSE 92 00:03:14,133 --> 00:03:15,366 ATTORNEYS DO NOT KNOW WHO THEY 93 00:03:15,366 --> 00:03:16,300 ARE. 94 00:03:16,300 --> 00:03:17,766 JURORS WERE TOLD BY THE JUDGE IF 95 00:03:17,766 --> 00:03:18,533 YOU WANT TO TALK WITH THE 96 00:03:18,533 --> 00:03:20,233 ATTORNEYS AND OTHER THIS IS OVER 97 00:03:20,233 --> 00:03:22,100 YOU CALL THEM AND THEY DIDN'T 98 00:03:22,100 --> 00:03:23,866 TALK WITH US AS THEY LEFT COURT 99 00:03:23,866 --> 00:03:25,600 HERE THIS AFTERNOON. 100 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,466 NO ONE KNOWS WHAT WENT ON INSIDE 101 00:03:27,466 --> 00:03:29,366 THE JURY ROOM FOR THE LAST FIVE 102 00:03:29,366 --> 00:03:30,800 DAYS DURING THE MONTH OF THIS 103 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,100 TRIAL. 104 00:03:34,100 --> 00:03:36,233 >> AS OUR RACHEL HOLLIS' STORY 105 00:03:36,233 --> 00:03:37,666 PLAYING OUTPOST WOULD HAPPENED 106 00:03:37,666 --> 00:03:39,200 LAST FRIDAY. 107 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:40,900 >> WE HAVE TO REMEMBER AND LOOK 108 00:03:40,900 --> 00:03:42,900 INTO THE STATE CASES OF THIS IS 109 00:03:42,900 --> 00:03:45,300 FAR FROM OVER IN MANY CASES I 110 00:03:45,300 --> 00:03:49,033 THINK THAT NEXT, FIRST, WE NEED 111 00:03:49,033 --> 00:03:50,533 TO ADDRESS THE ELEPHANT IN THE 112 00:03:50,533 --> 00:03:51,800 ROOM BUT THIS WAS A SHOCK FOR 113 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,333 EVERYONE WHEN THIS HAPPENED. 114 00:03:54,333 --> 00:03:56,066 NOT NECESSARILY THAT SOME PEOPLE 115 00:03:56,066 --> 00:03:58,066 GOT OFF BUT THAT THERE WAS NO 116 00:03:58,066 --> 00:04:00,433 CONVICTIONS OF ANY KIND SO FAR. 117 00:04:00,433 --> 00:04:01,733 WE DO HAVE TWO MORE TRIALS TO 118 00:04:01,733 --> 00:04:03,966 COME HERE WITH THE STATE TRIAL 119 00:04:03,966 --> 00:04:09,733 BUT I THINK THERE WAS THE FREE 120 00:04:09,733 --> 00:04:11,866 SPEECH DEFENSE BUT FOR HARRIS HE 121 00:04:11,866 --> 00:04:13,300 HAD A LOT OF CHARGES THAT HE WAS 122 00:04:13,300 --> 00:04:14,500 FACING AND THERE WAS MORE 123 00:04:14,500 --> 00:04:16,566 EVIDENCE FOR HIM AS WELL AND SO 124 00:04:16,566 --> 00:04:18,466 I THINK MAYBE JIM YOU COULD 125 00:04:18,466 --> 00:04:19,866 SPEAK TO THIS MORE BUT I WAS 126 00:04:19,866 --> 00:04:21,166 SURPRISED THAT THINGS PLAYED OUT 127 00:04:21,166 --> 00:04:22,666 THE WAY THEY DID. 128 00:04:22,666 --> 00:04:24,966 >> NO ONE SAW THIS COMING. 129 00:04:24,966 --> 00:04:26,866 HARRIS, WE ALL THOUGHT HE WOULD 130 00:04:26,866 --> 00:04:28,633 GET CONVICTED ON THAT GUN CHARGE 131 00:04:28,633 --> 00:04:30,533 BECAUSE THE TESTIMONY WAS HE HAD 132 00:04:30,533 --> 00:04:31,866 THE THE SHORT-BARRELED ILLEGAL 133 00:04:31,866 --> 00:04:33,933 RIFLE THAT WAS A NO-BRAINER HE 134 00:04:33,933 --> 00:04:35,733 HAD POSSESSION SO WHAT WENT ON 135 00:04:35,733 --> 00:04:37,666 IN THE MAINZ OF THE JURORS? 136 00:04:37,666 --> 00:04:39,166 BUT MOVING FORWARD THIS IS WHAT 137 00:04:39,166 --> 00:04:40,600 I FIND INTERESTING AND YOU WILL 138 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:41,433 LOVE THIS BECAUSE IT'S A 139 00:04:41,433 --> 00:04:42,833 POLITICAL ANGLE. 140 00:04:42,833 --> 00:04:44,800 CREWS AND THE DRIVER SEAT NOW? 141 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,133 THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND HERE'S 142 00:04:46,133 --> 00:04:47,733 WHY SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE TWO 143 00:04:47,733 --> 00:04:50,166 STATE CASES IN JACKSON COUNTY 144 00:04:50,166 --> 00:04:52,233 AND THOSE ARE HER CHARGES AND 145 00:04:52,233 --> 00:04:54,000 THAT SHE CAN CHARGE THESE GUYS 146 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,366 YOU ARE EQUATED WITH STATE 147 00:04:55,366 --> 00:04:56,733 CHARGES AND IT'S NOT DOUBLE 148 00:04:56,733 --> 00:04:58,700 JEOPARDY IT IS AN ELECTION YEAR 149 00:04:58,700 --> 00:04:59,833 FOR HER. 150 00:04:59,833 --> 00:05:01,633 WILL SHE DO THAT? 151 00:05:01,633 --> 00:05:03,600 >> YES AS EVER WOULD HAVE SAID 152 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,266 THIS IS NOT OVER BUT IT SEEMED 153 00:05:06,266 --> 00:05:08,333 LIKE THERE WERE GASPS AS YOU 154 00:05:08,333 --> 00:05:09,333 KNOW. 155 00:05:09,333 --> 00:05:10,466 WE HEARD THE RESPONSE FROM THE 156 00:05:10,466 --> 00:05:11,966 GOVERNOR'S OFFICE NOT FROM THE 157 00:05:11,966 --> 00:05:13,500 GOVERNOR DIRECTLY THE DAY OF THE 158 00:05:13,500 --> 00:05:15,666 CHARGES AND PUTTING THIS TO 159 00:05:15,666 --> 00:05:18,000 CONTEXT SAYING THAT THE FACT 160 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,600 THAT THERE WERE NO CONVICTIONS 161 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:27,233 IT THIS MESSAGE AND CONTINUES 162 00:05:27,233 --> 00:05:29,366 UNDER HEATED RHETORIC AND THE 163 00:05:29,366 --> 00:05:31,000 VIOLENCE IN SOME CASES WE HAVE 164 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,966 SEEN OVER THE PASS FEW YEARS AND 165 00:05:32,966 --> 00:05:34,433 THIS POLITICAL MOMENT THAT WE 166 00:05:34,433 --> 00:05:36,400 FIND OURSELVES IN WHICH I THINK 167 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,400 FOR MANY IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY 168 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,433 JUST THE FACT THAT IT WAS A 169 00:05:41,433 --> 00:05:45,900 SIGNAL THAT WAS WE HAD DEMOCRATS 170 00:05:45,900 --> 00:05:47,966 TALKING ABOUT THAT AGAIN THE DAY 171 00:05:47,966 --> 00:05:52,766 AFTER THEY WERE NOMINATED. 172 00:05:52,766 --> 00:05:55,466 >> WE TALK ABOUT THE TIME WHERE 173 00:05:55,466 --> 00:05:57,233 PEOPLE ARE DIVIDED AND THIS IS 174 00:05:57,233 --> 00:05:58,033 SOMETHING THE PEOPLE FORGET 175 00:05:58,033 --> 00:05:59,933 ABOUT OFTEN WHEN IT COMES TO A 176 00:05:59,933 --> 00:06:01,366 JURY YOU HAVE TO SELECT 12 177 00:06:01,366 --> 00:06:03,500 PEOPLE RANDOMLY TRY TO FIND 12 178 00:06:03,500 --> 00:06:04,833 PEOPLE AT THIS STATE THAT A 179 00:06:04,833 --> 00:06:06,700 GREAT ON ANY POLITICAL MATTER 180 00:06:06,700 --> 00:06:08,466 THAT YOU SELECT RANDOMLY AND 181 00:06:08,466 --> 00:06:10,066 IT'S VERY DIFFICULT AND I THINK 182 00:06:10,066 --> 00:06:11,733 THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE 183 00:06:11,733 --> 00:06:13,600 ON THE MIND OF ATTORNEY GENERAL 184 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,666 AND THE FBI AND PROSECUTORS 185 00:06:15,666 --> 00:06:17,233 ACROSS THE STATE. 186 00:06:17,233 --> 00:06:18,766 >> SPEAKING OF THAT JURY 187 00:06:18,766 --> 00:06:20,733 QUESTION MATT SNYDER WHO IS 188 00:06:20,733 --> 00:06:22,833 INCREDIBLY SMART AND A FORMER 189 00:06:22,833 --> 00:06:24,900 FEDERAL PROSECUTOR HIMSELF SAID 190 00:06:24,900 --> 00:06:26,533 HE WAS SURPRISED THAT THE JUDGE 191 00:06:26,533 --> 00:06:27,900 DIDN'T ASK THE JURY MORE 192 00:06:27,900 --> 00:06:30,366 QUESTIONS AT THE BEGINNING ABOUT 193 00:06:30,366 --> 00:06:33,100 WHAT BIASES THEY MAY HAVE. 194 00:06:33,100 --> 00:06:35,200 LET'S REMEMBER EVEN SOME OF 195 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,066 THESE JURORS THAT SAY I AM A 196 00:06:38,066 --> 00:06:39,700 NEWS JUNKIE BUT I HAVEN'T FILED 197 00:06:39,700 --> 00:06:42,100 THE CASE THAT MUCH AND I THOUGHT 198 00:06:42,100 --> 00:06:44,333 THAT WAS INTERESTING BUT ALSO 199 00:06:44,333 --> 00:06:46,400 YOUR POINT ABOUT MOVING FORWARD 200 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,200 AND ALSO ANOTHER THING THAT 201 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:49,900 MATHIEU SNYDER SAID THEY GOT 202 00:06:49,900 --> 00:06:53,300 SMART WISE THAT YOU CAN GO AND 203 00:06:53,300 --> 00:06:54,700 IF THE JURORS WANT TO BE 204 00:06:54,700 --> 00:06:56,633 INTERVIEWED AND AND THEY MAY 205 00:06:56,633 --> 00:06:58,533 JUST DO THAT IF THE JURORS ARE 206 00:06:58,533 --> 00:07:00,733 WILLING TO AND SAY THIS IS WHAT 207 00:07:00,733 --> 00:07:02,966 DIDN'T WORK FOR US. 208 00:07:02,966 --> 00:07:04,933 AND IF THEY DO TRY THE RETRIAL 209 00:07:04,933 --> 00:07:06,400 AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WILL BE 210 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:07,866 AND THAT'S WHAT ANDREW BURCH 211 00:07:07,866 --> 00:07:08,866 SAID IN THE STATEMENT EVEN 212 00:07:08,866 --> 00:07:10,600 THOUGH HE WAS NOT SUPER CLEAR 213 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,133 BUT THAT THEY COULD IF THE 214 00:07:13,133 --> 00:07:14,866 JURORS ARE WILLING TO SAY HERE 215 00:07:14,866 --> 00:07:16,566 IS WHAT FOR WORK -- WORKED FOR 216 00:07:16,566 --> 00:07:18,166 US AND WHAT DID NOT AND IT COULD 217 00:07:18,166 --> 00:07:19,400 AGAIN JUST BE A JURY OF YOUR 218 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,600 PEERS ALL 12 A DEGREE I SAT AS A 219 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,166 MURRAY DISH MURDER TRIAL AS A 220 00:07:24,166 --> 00:07:25,533 JUROR AND ONE HOLDOUT CAN MAKE 221 00:07:25,533 --> 00:07:26,433 ALL THE DIFFERENCE. 222 00:07:26,433 --> 00:07:28,800 >> THE FBI TOOK A HIT ON THIS 223 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,066 THE ENTRAPMENT THING RESONATED 224 00:07:31,066 --> 00:07:32,733 WITH THE JURY. 225 00:07:32,733 --> 00:07:36,033 >> I THINK WILL THESE JURORS 226 00:07:36,033 --> 00:07:38,000 DECIDE TO TALK AND IF THEY DO I 227 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,433 THINK ALL THESE PROSECUTORS FOR 228 00:07:39,433 --> 00:07:41,666 THE UPCOMING TRIALS ARE WAITING 229 00:07:41,666 --> 00:07:43,866 FOR THAT TO HAPPEN TO FIND OUT 230 00:07:43,866 --> 00:07:45,333 WHAT DIDN'T WORK WHAT DO WE NEED 231 00:07:45,333 --> 00:07:46,966 TO HIT ON MORE FOR THE NEXT FEW 232 00:07:46,966 --> 00:07:48,933 TRIALS BECAUSE THAT WILL BE THE 233 00:07:48,933 --> 00:07:53,800 KEY AND IT WILL BE THE DEFENSE 234 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,466 OF THE PROSECUTOR GOING FORWARD. 235 00:07:56,466 --> 00:07:58,000 >> I THINK OF THE JURORS GO 236 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,433 PUBLIC MY THING IS THEY WILL 237 00:08:00,433 --> 00:08:02,700 SHOW UP ON FOX NEWS CHANNEL ON 238 00:08:02,700 --> 00:08:05,233 CABLE NATIONALLY THEY WILL REACH 239 00:08:05,233 --> 00:08:06,866 OUT AND WANT THEIR STORY OUT 240 00:08:06,866 --> 00:08:08,300 THERE THEY WILL TALK WITH THE 241 00:08:08,300 --> 00:08:10,266 PRODUCER BEHIND THE SCENES AND 242 00:08:10,266 --> 00:08:12,566 WORK OUT THE CONVERSATION AND 243 00:08:12,566 --> 00:08:19,500 THESE WILL BE THE QUESTIONS. 244 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:20,500 THEY WILL BE ABLE TO TELL THEIR 245 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:22,833 STORY AND THIS IS THE SECOND 246 00:08:22,833 --> 00:08:26,533 TIME THEY LOST ON A GROUP OF 247 00:08:26,533 --> 00:08:33,533 GOVERNMENT PEOPLE. 248 00:08:33,533 --> 00:08:37,200 THEY DIDN'T GO TO THE JURY. 249 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,366 THERE WASN'T ENOUGH EVIDENCE. 250 00:08:41,366 --> 00:08:43,266 >> WHEN YOU HEAR THE DIALOGUE 251 00:08:43,266 --> 00:08:44,633 THAT THEY WENT TO HER VACATION 252 00:08:44,633 --> 00:08:48,533 COTTAGE AND STAKED OUT THE PLACE 253 00:08:48,533 --> 00:08:50,433 WITH A MEN AND WOMEN CONCLUDE 254 00:08:50,433 --> 00:08:51,066 THAT THEY WERE JUST SHOOTING THE 255 00:08:51,066 --> 00:08:55,000 BREEZE? 256 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,366 WE WASTED FRIDAY OR SATURDAY 257 00:08:56,366 --> 00:08:58,300 NIGHT DRIVING TO WHERE THEY WERE 258 00:08:58,300 --> 00:09:00,566 WITHOUT DISCLOSING THE LOCATION? 259 00:09:00,566 --> 00:09:01,800 AT THE RHETORIC IN THE TRIAL 260 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,533 SEEM TO POINT TOWARD SOME SORT 261 00:09:03,533 --> 00:09:05,000 OF CONVICTION. 262 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,600 I WAS NOT THERE BUT YOU TELL ME. 263 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,333 >> IS A JUDGE GAVE THEM A 264 00:09:09,333 --> 00:09:11,266 SPECIFIC INSTRUCTION THAT SAID 265 00:09:11,266 --> 00:09:13,200 EVEN IF YOU JURORS BELIEVE THAT 266 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:14,833 THIS WAS AN IMPOSSIBLE PLOT TO 267 00:09:14,833 --> 00:09:17,333 CARRY OUT YOU HAVE TO SET THAT 268 00:09:17,333 --> 00:09:19,733 PART ASIDE AND SO WE'RE JUST 269 00:09:19,733 --> 00:09:21,100 SPECULATING WHAT'S INSIDE THE 270 00:09:21,100 --> 00:09:22,900 MAINZ OF THE JURORS BUT THERE 271 00:09:22,900 --> 00:09:24,900 WAS A PLOT BUT AS I HAVE LOOKED 272 00:09:24,900 --> 00:09:26,666 BACK AT THIS THERE WAS A STORY 273 00:09:26,666 --> 00:09:32,466 BUT NOT AN ENDING TO THE STORY. 274 00:09:32,466 --> 00:09:33,466 THERE IS NOTHING TO THE CASE 275 00:09:33,466 --> 00:09:36,466 THERE ALL ARRESTED 276 00:09:36,466 --> 00:09:37,533 SIMULTANEOUSLY THROUGHOUT THE 277 00:09:37,533 --> 00:09:38,166 STATE. 278 00:09:38,166 --> 00:09:39,800 ALL 14 BUT THERE IS NEVER ANY 279 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,166 EVIDENCE THAT WE WILL ALL MEET 280 00:09:41,166 --> 00:09:42,766 ON THE 15TH OF OCTOBER OR THE 281 00:09:42,766 --> 00:09:45,100 20TH OF OCTOBER YEAR HERE 282 00:09:45,100 --> 00:09:47,333 YOU'RE HERE YOU'RE HERE AND 283 00:09:47,333 --> 00:09:48,800 THAT'S THE END GAME. 284 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,366 THAT WAS NOT THE END GAME TO 285 00:09:50,366 --> 00:09:52,300 THIS PLOT THOUGH A JUROR COULD 286 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:54,500 SAY IT WAS ALL TALK WHICH IS ONE 287 00:09:54,500 --> 00:09:55,600 OF THE DEFENSES. 288 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,766 ANOTHER WAS ENTRAPMENT. 289 00:09:57,766 --> 00:09:59,500 THERE WERE PEOPLE FOR THE FEDS 290 00:09:59,500 --> 00:10:01,733 IN FEDS INFORMANTS AND FBI AGENT 291 00:10:01,733 --> 00:10:03,433 WHO'S INFILTRATED THIS AND THERE 292 00:10:03,433 --> 00:10:05,466 WAS EVIDENCE THAT THEY WERE EGG 293 00:10:05,466 --> 00:10:07,733 IT ON AND ENTICED AND INDUCED TO 294 00:10:07,733 --> 00:10:10,033 CONTINUE THEIR PLOT. 295 00:10:10,033 --> 00:10:12,300 >> WHEN WE HAD THE ATTORNEY 296 00:10:12,300 --> 00:10:14,533 GENERAL ON A COUPLE WEEKS AGO 297 00:10:14,533 --> 00:10:15,933 SHE THOUGHT THIS WAS A SOLID 298 00:10:15,933 --> 00:10:17,066 CASE. 299 00:10:17,066 --> 00:10:19,033 >> THUS TO THE GASPS AND WHEN 300 00:10:19,033 --> 00:10:20,533 EVERYONE WAS SO SHOCKED AND 301 00:10:20,533 --> 00:10:22,500 AGAIN I THINK THE GOVERNOR'S 302 00:10:22,500 --> 00:10:25,000 OFFICE COMING IN SAYING IS THIS 303 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,833 THE NEW NORMAL? 304 00:10:26,833 --> 00:10:28,666 IS THIS THE EXPECTATION YOU HAVE 305 00:10:28,666 --> 00:10:29,833 AN HOUR WHEN YOU'RE ELECTED IN 306 00:10:29,833 --> 00:10:31,500 THE OFFICE IS THAT YOU HAVE TO 307 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:33,233 TAKE THREATS AND FOLKS CAN MAKE 308 00:10:33,233 --> 00:10:36,300 BOMBS AND DRIVE PASS YOUR 309 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:38,366 PERSONAL HOME? 310 00:10:38,366 --> 00:10:40,066 AND IS THIS WHERE WE FIND 311 00:10:40,066 --> 00:10:41,833 OURSELVES AFTER THESE FEW 312 00:10:41,833 --> 00:10:43,233 VIOLENT YEARS IN AMERICAN 313 00:10:43,233 --> 00:10:45,066 POLITICS? 314 00:10:45,066 --> 00:10:47,400 >> IS A STORY IS NOT GOING AWAY? 315 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:48,933 >> NOT AT ALL. 316 00:10:48,933 --> 00:10:50,533 WHAT WE HAVE SEEN PLAY OUT IS 317 00:10:50,533 --> 00:10:52,100 SOME REPUBLICANS HAVE STARTED TO 318 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:54,433 WEAVE A CONSPIRACY THEORY ABOUT 319 00:10:54,433 --> 00:10:56,533 THE GOVERNOR AND THE AUTHORITIES 320 00:10:56,533 --> 00:10:59,100 AND THERE IS NO EVIDENCE BEHIND 321 00:10:59,100 --> 00:11:01,733 IT BUT IT IS A RESONATING. 322 00:11:01,733 --> 00:11:04,666 >> LET'S PUT THIS ON THE TABLE. 323 00:11:04,666 --> 00:11:06,300 SAUL DONNELL HINTED THAT MAY THE 324 00:11:06,300 --> 00:11:07,666 GOVERNOR WAS BEHIND THIS PLOT 325 00:11:07,666 --> 00:11:09,766 WITH THE FBI DID I HEAR THAT 326 00:11:09,766 --> 00:11:11,400 CORRECTLY? 327 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,500 >> ON ITS FACE IT IS RIDICULOUS 328 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:15,300 BECAUSE WHO IS AN OFFICE IN 329 00:11:15,300 --> 00:11:17,100 CHARGE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF 330 00:11:17,100 --> 00:11:18,566 JUSTICE AT THE TIME THE PLOT WAS 331 00:11:18,566 --> 00:11:19,866 INVESTIGATED? 332 00:11:19,866 --> 00:11:21,600 IT WAS DONALD TRUMP AND IN THE 333 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,933 BEGINNING HE WAS TAKING CREDIT 334 00:11:23,933 --> 00:11:28,433 FOR HIS. 335 00:11:28,433 --> 00:11:29,800 PEOPLE IF YOU LOOK AT THIS TIME 336 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,300 LINE AND HOW THIS PLAYED OUT 337 00:11:31,300 --> 00:11:31,866 BACK IN 2020 THIS THEORY HAS 338 00:11:31,866 --> 00:11:37,366 NOTHING TO IT BUT PEOPLE ARE SO 339 00:11:37,366 --> 00:11:40,666 CONSPIRACY MINDED THAT THIS IS 340 00:11:40,666 --> 00:11:46,500 RESONATING. 341 00:11:46,500 --> 00:11:52,400 >> IN MY REPLIES IN THE JURY'S 342 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,300 DECISION THERE I STARTED TO SEE 343 00:11:54,300 --> 00:11:56,666 A LOT OF JANUARY 6 WHICH 344 00:11:56,666 --> 00:11:58,333 PRODUCED JANUARY 6 WAS A HOAX 345 00:11:58,333 --> 00:12:00,366 IT'S FBI AS WELL AND THOSE 346 00:12:00,366 --> 00:12:02,300 PEOPLE START TO GET OUT NOW I 347 00:12:02,300 --> 00:12:04,333 THINK YOU'LL END UP BEING -- 348 00:12:04,333 --> 00:12:06,200 IT'S A NATIONAL STORY BUT IT 349 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:07,533 WILL CONTINUE TO BE A NATIONAL 350 00:12:07,533 --> 00:12:09,933 STORY AND POTENTIALLY HAVING 351 00:12:09,933 --> 00:12:13,033 THIS DOMINO EFFECT OF WHAT CAN 352 00:12:13,033 --> 00:12:15,733 TRUST. 353 00:12:15,733 --> 00:12:17,500 AND PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSPIRACY 354 00:12:17,500 --> 00:12:18,900 MINDED WILL FEED INTO THAT MORE 355 00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:20,166 AND SAY WHAT CAN WE TRUST 356 00:12:20,166 --> 00:12:22,600 ANYMORE. 357 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,266 >> LET'S TALK ABOUT DONALD 358 00:12:24,266 --> 00:12:27,366 TRUMP. 359 00:12:27,366 --> 00:12:29,066 YOU MAY NOT BELIEVE THE STORY 360 00:12:29,066 --> 00:12:30,500 BUT LET'S LOOK AT WHAT MIGHT BE 361 00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:35,033 GOING GOING ON. 362 00:12:35,033 --> 00:12:36,433 >> FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP 363 00:12:36,433 --> 00:12:38,600 HAS ENDORSED LOTS OF CANDIDATES 364 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,400 IN MICHIGAN RUNNING FOR OFFICE 365 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:41,500 BUT IN THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR'S 366 00:12:41,500 --> 00:12:43,333 RACE TO DEFEAT THE WOMAN FROM 367 00:12:43,333 --> 00:12:45,300 MICHIGAN QUOTE UNQUOTE DONALD 368 00:12:45,300 --> 00:12:47,466 TRUMP HAS BEEN ALL CRICKETS ON 369 00:12:47,466 --> 00:12:49,800 THE ENDORSEMENT FRONT HOWEVER TO 370 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,633 MICHIGAN SOURCES NOW CONTEND 371 00:12:51,633 --> 00:12:53,433 THAT MR. TRUMP WILL ENDORSE THE 372 00:12:53,433 --> 00:12:55,633 REPUBLICAN PRIMARY UNDER THESE 373 00:12:55,633 --> 00:12:57,633 CONDITIONS, POLITICAL AND 374 00:12:57,633 --> 00:12:59,966 CONSULTANT JON YOUNG IS WORKING 375 00:12:59,966 --> 00:13:01,800 TO GET MATTHEW TO PERNOD THE 376 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,166 REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR 377 00:13:03,166 --> 00:13:05,500 ATTORNEY GENERAL WHICH MR. TRUMP 378 00:13:05,500 --> 00:13:08,133 WANTS UNDER THIS ALLEGED DEAL IF 379 00:13:08,133 --> 00:13:08,866 HE DELIVERS A NUMBER ANOTHER 380 00:13:08,866 --> 00:13:10,433 MEDICATION FOR DEPRESSION OF THE 381 00:13:10,433 --> 00:13:11,466 FORMER PRESIDENT WILL THEN 382 00:13:11,466 --> 00:13:13,233 DELIVER HIS ENDORSEMENT FOR THE 383 00:13:13,233 --> 00:13:14,833 CLIENT FOR GOVERNOR. 384 00:13:14,833 --> 00:13:16,066 JOHNSON. 385 00:13:16,066 --> 00:13:17,766 I MICHIGAN POLLSTER AND PUNDITS 386 00:13:17,766 --> 00:13:19,566 ARGUE THAT THIS IS A GAME 387 00:13:19,566 --> 00:13:20,900 CHANGER. 388 00:13:20,900 --> 00:13:23,700 >> ON A SCALE OF ONE TO TEN IT'S 389 00:13:23,700 --> 00:13:24,933 A TEN. 390 00:13:24,933 --> 00:13:26,900 IT DOESN'T GET BIGGER THAN THAT. 391 00:13:26,900 --> 00:13:30,066 >> THE NOMINATION REALLY WILL BE 392 00:13:30,066 --> 00:13:32,800 DECIDED BY AN EVER DONALD TRUMP 393 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,600 ENDORSES AND IF HE ENDORSES 394 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,200 PERRY JOHNSON THEN THAT WILL BE 395 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,333 A VERY SIGNIFICANT EVENT IN THIS 396 00:13:39,333 --> 00:13:40,633 CAMPAIGN. 397 00:13:40,633 --> 00:13:42,666 >> AND POLITICAL PUNDIT BILL 398 00:13:42,666 --> 00:13:44,600 BALLENGER CONCURS. 399 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,766 >> THESE POLLS SHOW THAT 400 00:13:46,766 --> 00:13:49,766 80 PERCENT OF REPUBLICAN PRIMARY 401 00:13:49,766 --> 00:13:51,500 VOTERS WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO 402 00:13:51,500 --> 00:13:53,700 VOTE FOR CANDIDATE WHO IS 403 00:13:53,700 --> 00:13:55,566 ENDORSED BY TRUMP. 404 00:13:55,566 --> 00:13:57,333 >> MR. TRUMP'S OFFICE HAS NOT 405 00:13:57,333 --> 00:13:59,400 CONFIRMED THE STORY BUT IF TRUE 406 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:00,566 WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER CANDIDATES 407 00:14:00,566 --> 00:14:03,366 RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR, ALL 11? 408 00:14:03,366 --> 00:14:05,266 LOOK COULD THEY BE THINKING? 409 00:14:05,266 --> 00:14:07,033 >> YOU THINK YOU HOPE IT'S NOT 410 00:14:07,033 --> 00:14:08,300 TRUE. 411 00:14:08,300 --> 00:14:10,866 >> YOU THINK IT WOULD SET 412 00:14:10,866 --> 00:14:13,466 SOMETHING IN MOTION THAT COULD 413 00:14:13,466 --> 00:14:16,366 LEAD TO JOHNSON BEING ABLE TO BE 414 00:14:16,366 --> 00:14:19,800 PERCEIVED AS THE FRONT RUNNER. 415 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,566 >> SO IF YOU'RE KEVIN WINKY HER 416 00:14:22,566 --> 00:14:24,666 TUTOR DIXON AND SAUL DONNELL AND 417 00:14:24,666 --> 00:14:25,933 YOU HEAR THE STORY FOR THE FIRST 418 00:14:25,933 --> 00:14:27,433 TIME WHAT DO YOU THINK? 419 00:14:27,433 --> 00:14:29,466 >> I THINK THEY REALIZE THAT THE 420 00:14:29,466 --> 00:14:31,466 JIG MAY BE UP HERE >> THE TRUMP 421 00:14:31,466 --> 00:14:34,233 ENDORSEMENT OF PERRY JOHNSON WE 422 00:14:34,233 --> 00:14:36,300 WILL KNOW AFTER APRIL 23RD IF 423 00:14:36,300 --> 00:14:39,266 THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENS. 424 00:14:39,266 --> 00:14:41,800 >> WHEN YOU HEARD THIS YOU SAID 425 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:47,700 IT'S BUBIK IS THAT SHE YOU WHEN 426 00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:48,666 YOU HEARD THE STORIES THAT YOU 427 00:14:48,666 --> 00:14:50,200 THINK IS ON SOMETHING. 428 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,733 >> LOOK COULD BE POSSIBLE? 429 00:14:52,733 --> 00:14:53,800 SURE. 430 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,200 >> DOESN'T THIS SOUND LIKE 431 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,500 DONALD TRUMP AND JON YOUNG? 432 00:14:57,500 --> 00:15:00,066 >> YES AND YES AND IT ALSO 433 00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:02,033 SOUNDS LIKE ANY OF THESE THINGS 434 00:15:02,033 --> 00:15:03,933 MAY BE DONALD TRUMP MAKES A DEAL 435 00:15:03,933 --> 00:15:06,600 UNTIL HE DOESN'T AND IT BUT TO 436 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,733 THE POINT I THINK THERE IS 437 00:15:08,733 --> 00:15:10,800 ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THERE THAT 438 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,700 WE KNOW ALL OF THE REPUBLICAN 439 00:15:12,700 --> 00:15:16,133 CANDIDATES, ALL 1,472 OF THEM 440 00:15:16,133 --> 00:15:18,666 THERE WILL BE LIKELY IF A FEW 441 00:15:18,666 --> 00:15:20,333 ALASKA IN APRIL 19TH AT 442 00:15:20,333 --> 00:15:22,766 4:00 P.M. BUT ALL OF THEM WANT 443 00:15:22,766 --> 00:15:25,566 THE DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE AT 444 00:15:25,566 --> 00:15:28,266 LEAST IT GETS THEM THROUGH THE 445 00:15:28,266 --> 00:15:30,600 REPUBLICAN PRIMARY BUT WE ALSO 446 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,566 HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT DOES THE 447 00:15:32,566 --> 00:15:35,600 ENDORSEMENT DO COME THE GENERAL? 448 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,766 AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 449 00:15:37,766 --> 00:15:39,333 SHORTSIGHTED BUT YOU HAVE TO GET 450 00:15:39,333 --> 00:15:40,633 TO THE NEXT ELECTION AND SO OF 451 00:15:40,633 --> 00:15:42,100 COURSE THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE 452 00:15:42,100 --> 00:15:44,000 WANTS P OR ? HAVE BEEN TALKING 453 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,500 ABOUT TUTOR DIXON IT SEEMED LIKE 454 00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:47,800 MAYBE THERE WAS SOME LOVE IS 455 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,000 THERE BUT YES. 456 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,400 >> SHE HAS SO MANY ON HER STAFF 457 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:53,433 WITH CONNECTIONS TO THE 458 00:15:53,433 --> 00:15:55,166 PRESIDENT THAT ARE THAT COMES 459 00:15:55,166 --> 00:15:56,133 FROM. 460 00:15:56,133 --> 00:15:57,600 >> THAT'S TRUE BUT THE FORMER 461 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,400 PRESIDENT MADE MULTIPLE COMMENTS 462 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:00,966 THAT ARE GLOWING ABOUT TUTOR 463 00:16:00,966 --> 00:16:02,666 DIXON WHICH IS MORE YOU CAN SAY 464 00:16:02,666 --> 00:16:03,100 FOR. 465 00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:04,600 JOHNSON WHO HE DIDN'T EVEN 466 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,233 RECOGNIZE WHEN HE CAME TO MACOMB 467 00:16:06,233 --> 00:16:07,300 COUNTY. 468 00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:08,866 >> HE RECOGNIZED THEM IN A 469 00:16:08,866 --> 00:16:10,800 FLORIDA SAYING THE POLLING 470 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:18,266 NUMBERS HAVE BEEN GOOD. 471 00:16:18,266 --> 00:16:19,733 TAKE IT'S HARD TO SAVE IT'S TRUE 472 00:16:19,733 --> 00:16:21,400 OR NOT BUT IF IT IS IT'S NOT 473 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,200 SURPRISING PICK THE PEOPLE TRUMP 474 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:24,433 HAS BEEN ENDORSING HAS ALWAYS 475 00:16:24,433 --> 00:16:25,933 BEEN A GAME OF HOW IT COULD HELP 476 00:16:25,933 --> 00:16:28,133 HIM EVERYONE HE HAS ENDORSED SO 477 00:16:28,133 --> 00:16:29,733 FAR HAVE BEEN PEOPLE WHO HAVE 478 00:16:29,733 --> 00:16:32,100 HAD AT THE VERY LEAST SKEPTICISM 479 00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:33,733 ABOUT THE 2020 ELECTION AND 480 00:16:33,733 --> 00:16:35,900 THOSE RESULTS AND SOME OF THEM 481 00:16:35,900 --> 00:16:37,666 STRONGLY PULLING IT THESE 482 00:16:37,666 --> 00:16:39,700 CONSPIRACY THEORIES THAT TRUMP 483 00:16:39,700 --> 00:16:41,400 HAS SHARED BUT I THINK HE IS 484 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,000 SETTING UP A KINGDOM HERE IN 485 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,666 MICHIGAN THAT WILL BE FOCUSED ON 486 00:16:46,666 --> 00:16:48,933 HIM SHOULD HE DECIDE TO RUN 487 00:16:48,933 --> 00:16:50,400 SHOULD HE POSSIBLY LOSE IN THE 488 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:51,833 NEXT ELECTION THAT WILL SIDE 489 00:16:51,833 --> 00:16:53,833 WITH HIM WHO WOULD GO ALONG WITH 490 00:16:53,833 --> 00:16:55,633 THAT AS GOVERNOR I GUESS WE 491 00:16:55,633 --> 00:16:59,966 DON'T TOTALLY KNOW IT, TIM MAYBE 492 00:16:59,966 --> 00:17:01,566 YOU KNOW BETTER. 493 00:17:01,566 --> 00:17:05,600 >> WE WILL FIND OUT. 494 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,166 THIS IS THE POINT. 495 00:17:07,166 --> 00:17:10,300 WE WILL KNOW WHETHER THE DEAL 496 00:17:10,300 --> 00:17:14,800 WAS DELIVERED AND HOW THE AG 497 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,900 RACE LOOKS. 498 00:17:17,900 --> 00:17:19,366 >> THERE'S A LOT TO PLAY OUT IN 499 00:17:19,366 --> 00:17:22,733 THIS THIS OVER OUT -- OVERLAPPED 500 00:17:22,733 --> 00:17:24,133 ANOTHER TOPIC THAT COULD COME 501 00:17:24,133 --> 00:17:26,533 OUT HERE THE RECENT COUNTY 502 00:17:26,533 --> 00:17:29,166 DELEGATE CONVENTIONS AND BEFORE 503 00:17:29,166 --> 00:17:31,166 HE MOVED OFF OF THE GOVERNOR 504 00:17:31,166 --> 00:17:33,566 CANDIDATE I WANT TO SAY THIS, 505 00:17:33,566 --> 00:17:35,166 THERE IS DEEP DISSENSION WITHIN 506 00:17:35,166 --> 00:17:36,933 THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. 507 00:17:36,933 --> 00:17:38,533 >> HOW GREAT IS THIS FOR US IN 508 00:17:38,533 --> 00:17:40,166 THE NEWS BUSINESS? 509 00:17:40,166 --> 00:17:42,133 WE HAVE HIGH STAKES DRAMA BEFORE 510 00:17:42,133 --> 00:17:44,133 THE HIGH STAKES OF DRAMA BECAUSE 511 00:17:44,133 --> 00:17:45,500 WE HAVE THE HATFIELD AND THE 512 00:17:45,500 --> 00:17:47,066 MCCOYS FIGHTING WITHIN THE 513 00:17:47,066 --> 00:17:48,733 REPUBLICAN PARTY. 514 00:17:48,733 --> 00:17:50,566 GROUND ZERO IS MACOMB COUNTY 515 00:17:50,566 --> 00:17:52,566 HE'S ALL OVER IT OVER THERE AND 516 00:17:52,566 --> 00:17:54,700 YOU HAVE A COUNTY CHAIRMAN FOR 517 00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:56,033 DOUBT YOU HAVE A NEW COUNTY 518 00:17:56,033 --> 00:17:57,666 CHAIRMAN IN. 519 00:17:57,666 --> 00:17:59,000 THE NEW COUNTY CHAIRMAN IS 520 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,566 TRYING TO BRIDGE BOTH SIDES OF 521 00:18:00,566 --> 00:18:02,566 IT BUT HE'S GOING AROUND WE CAN 522 00:18:02,566 --> 00:18:04,866 CALL OTHER RHINOCEROSES ANYMORE 523 00:18:04,866 --> 00:18:07,233 AND WE CAN'T DO THE LITMUS TEST, 524 00:18:07,233 --> 00:18:09,033 ARE YOU TRUMP ENOUGH? 525 00:18:09,033 --> 00:18:10,900 THIS IS GRAND FOR US. 526 00:18:10,900 --> 00:18:13,233 IT IS HIGH DRAMA. 527 00:18:13,233 --> 00:18:15,466 >> THIS WAS ONE OF THE MOST WILD 528 00:18:15,466 --> 00:18:17,466 MEETINGS I COVERED IN MY CAREER. 529 00:18:17,466 --> 00:18:18,533 THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT REALLY 530 00:18:18,533 --> 00:18:19,833 BELIEVE THE FUTURE OF THE UNITED 531 00:18:19,833 --> 00:18:22,266 STATES IS ON THE LINE ON 532 00:18:22,266 --> 00:18:24,666 APRIL 23RD IN THE SELECTION 533 00:18:24,666 --> 00:18:27,266 AND IN MANY WAYS IT IS SOMETHING 534 00:18:27,266 --> 00:18:28,666 THAT YOU LOVE TO COVER AS A 535 00:18:28,666 --> 00:18:30,300 JOURNALIST BECAUSE REALLY IT IS 536 00:18:30,300 --> 00:18:31,300 A TURNING POINT FOR THE 537 00:18:31,300 --> 00:18:35,133 REPUBLICAN PARTY. 538 00:18:35,133 --> 00:18:38,000 THE PARTIES AT A CROSSROADS. 539 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,833 APRIL 23RD WILL BE THE FIRST 540 00:18:42,833 --> 00:18:44,133 MOMENT WHERE THEY DECIDE WHICH 541 00:18:44,133 --> 00:18:45,166 WAY IT WILL GO. 542 00:18:45,166 --> 00:18:47,000 >> APRIL 23RD IS THE SPRING 543 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,566 NOMINATING CONVENTION WERE ALL 544 00:18:48,566 --> 00:18:50,200 REPUBLICANS GATHER AND PICK THE 545 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,333 AG CANDIDATES AND THEY WILL NOT 546 00:18:52,333 --> 00:18:54,266 PICK A GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE. 547 00:18:54,266 --> 00:18:56,000 THAT IS THAT OF THE PRIMARY BUT 548 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:56,966 A LOT IS RIDING ON THIS 549 00:18:56,966 --> 00:18:59,833 CONVENTION. 550 00:18:59,833 --> 00:19:01,166 >> NO DOUBT. 551 00:19:01,166 --> 00:19:02,733 MANY PEOPLE SAY THIS IS A LITMUS 552 00:19:02,733 --> 00:19:05,033 TEST FOR SEEING HOW STRONG 553 00:19:05,033 --> 00:19:07,000 TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT IS HERE IN 554 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,433 MICHIGAN AND WE SAW THAT 555 00:19:08,433 --> 00:19:10,566 CERTAINLY P A ? CAN SPEAK MORE 556 00:19:10,566 --> 00:19:12,000 ABOUT THE CONVENTION BUT LET'S 557 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,966 REMEMBER THAT WHAT HAPPENS ON 558 00:19:13,966 --> 00:19:15,766 THE 23RD IS NOT NECESSARILY 559 00:19:15,766 --> 00:19:17,166 GOING TO TELL US EXACTLY WHAT 560 00:19:17,166 --> 00:19:18,333 WILL HAPPEN TO THE PRIMARY IN 561 00:19:18,333 --> 00:19:20,300 AUGUST BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT 562 00:19:20,300 --> 00:19:21,666 ARE AT THE ZIP -- THESE THESE 563 00:19:21,666 --> 00:19:22,933 CONVENTIONS ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE 564 00:19:22,933 --> 00:19:28,333 SUPER SUPER STRONG REPUBLICANS 565 00:19:28,333 --> 00:19:30,366 AND WHO WE SEE, AND PRIMARIES 566 00:19:30,366 --> 00:19:31,433 WILL ALWAYS BE STRONG 567 00:19:31,433 --> 00:19:32,766 REPUBLICANS OF COURSE THEY WILL 568 00:19:32,766 --> 00:19:33,800 BE THERE AS WELL BUT THERE WILL 569 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,466 BE THIRD-PARTY AND INDEPENDENT 570 00:19:35,466 --> 00:19:37,233 AND THOSE WHO ARE THIS WAY ON 571 00:19:37,233 --> 00:19:38,466 ONE ISSUE BUT COULD GO FOR A 572 00:19:38,466 --> 00:19:41,633 DEMOCRAT AS WELL AND SO I THINK 573 00:19:41,633 --> 00:19:43,200 IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY GIVE US 574 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,766 THE FULL ANSWER ON WHAT HAPPENS 575 00:19:44,766 --> 00:19:47,133 IN AUGUST AND NOVEMBER. 576 00:19:47,133 --> 00:19:50,366 >> DOES A TRUMP ENDORSEMENT MEAN 577 00:19:50,366 --> 00:19:52,200 A TICKET IN OR IS IT A 578 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:53,933 LIABILITY? 579 00:19:53,933 --> 00:19:55,633 >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND 580 00:19:55,633 --> 00:19:57,466 SOME EXPERTS SAID THAT IT IS 581 00:19:57,466 --> 00:20:00,133 DECISIVE AND WHAT I AM HEARING 582 00:20:00,133 --> 00:20:01,466 FROM PEOPLE AND SEEING ON THE 583 00:20:01,466 --> 00:20:02,700 GROUND IS THAT IT MAY BE 584 00:20:02,700 --> 00:20:04,333 INFLUENTIAL BUT IT'S NOT 585 00:20:04,333 --> 00:20:05,733 DECISIVE AND THEN YOU LOOK AT 586 00:20:05,733 --> 00:20:07,400 OTHER STATES AND TRUMP IS HAVING 587 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,600 A FEW LOSSES BEING WRAPPED UP 588 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,033 RIGHT NOW AND IN MICHIGAN 589 00:20:11,033 --> 00:20:12,800 SPECIFICALLY THE CHOICE BEFORE A 590 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,966 LOT OF THE REPUBLICANS IS GOING 591 00:20:14,966 --> 00:20:16,433 WITH DONALD TRUMP WHO THEY 592 00:20:16,433 --> 00:20:18,133 SUPPORT IT'S NOT ABOUT ANTI- 593 00:20:18,133 --> 00:20:20,066 TRUMP OR PRO TRUMP BUT HOW MUCH 594 00:20:20,066 --> 00:20:21,666 DO THEY VALUE AND WHO DID THEY 595 00:20:21,666 --> 00:20:23,400 THINK GIVES THEM THE BEST CHANCE 596 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,200 THE GENERAL ELECTION. 597 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,400 THESE REPUBLICANS AT THE END OF 598 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,366 THE DAY WANT TO WIN. 599 00:20:28,366 --> 00:20:30,166 THEY WANT TO BE NESSEL AND 600 00:20:30,166 --> 00:20:31,933 WITMER AND THEY'RE TRYING TO 601 00:20:31,933 --> 00:20:34,033 MAKE A CALCULATION, DO THEY 602 00:20:34,033 --> 00:20:35,833 THINK TRUMP HAS THE RIGHT PATH 603 00:20:35,833 --> 00:20:37,666 OR GOING FOR THE SWING VOTERS IN 604 00:20:37,666 --> 00:20:39,866 THE MIDDLE IS A BETTER PATH? 605 00:20:39,866 --> 00:20:42,100 >> YES AND AT WHAT POINT HAVE 606 00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:44,033 YOU ALMOST GONE TOO FAR ABOUT 607 00:20:44,033 --> 00:20:46,200 PUSHING OUT THE PARK? 608 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,300 AND THERE ARE FOLKS LIKE JEFF 609 00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:51,066 TIMBER WHO IS LIKE YOU SORT OF 610 00:20:51,066 --> 00:20:54,066 UNDERSTAND AND YOU GET. 611 00:20:54,066 --> 00:20:56,466 LIKE HE IS JUST LIKE YOU HAVE 612 00:20:56,466 --> 00:20:59,833 FOLKS CALL MIKE SHARKEY A RINO 613 00:20:59,833 --> 00:21:01,633 RIGHT NOW AND HE'S COMING OUT 614 00:21:01,633 --> 00:21:04,066 ENDORSING TUTOR DIXON SAYING HE 615 00:21:04,066 --> 00:21:05,766 WILL GO AGAINST SOME OF THE 616 00:21:05,766 --> 00:21:07,833 TRUMP ENDORSEMENTS FOR SITTING 617 00:21:07,833 --> 00:21:09,233 CANDIDATES RIGHT NOW AND THE 618 00:21:09,233 --> 00:21:11,500 REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE. 619 00:21:11,500 --> 00:21:13,200 >> BUT THERE MUST BE FRUSTRATION 620 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,433 IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE 621 00:21:14,433 --> 00:21:16,000 REPUBLICAN PARTY. 622 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,300 SOME PEOPLE THINK IT IS 623 00:21:17,300 --> 00:21:19,266 ATROPHIED OVER THE YEARS BUT 624 00:21:19,266 --> 00:21:21,466 TERM LEONARD GOING TO DELEGATE 625 00:21:21,466 --> 00:21:23,033 SAYING LOOK IF WE ARE GOING TO 626 00:21:23,033 --> 00:21:25,366 MAKE DANA NESSEL THAN THIS GUY 627 00:21:25,366 --> 00:21:26,833 THAT YOU WANT TO PICK JUST 628 00:21:26,833 --> 00:21:28,666 CANNOT GET IT DONE. 629 00:21:28,666 --> 00:21:30,466 >> AND THE DATA SHOWS THAT THIS 630 00:21:30,466 --> 00:21:32,433 IS NOT MAGICAL THINKING. 631 00:21:32,433 --> 00:21:34,666 LOOK AT 2018 TOM LEONARD CAME 632 00:21:34,666 --> 00:21:36,700 WITHIN IN THREE. 633 00:21:36,700 --> 00:21:38,366 >> EXACTLY. 634 00:21:38,366 --> 00:21:39,700 THAT WAS THE CLOSEST. 635 00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:41,100 TO THE CLOSEST SPREAD OF ALL OF 636 00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:45,766 THOSE STATEWIDE CANDIDATES. 637 00:21:45,766 --> 00:21:47,233 THIS IS NOT THEORETICAL THINKING 638 00:21:47,233 --> 00:21:49,333 WE HAVE SEEN IS MAGICAL OF. 639 00:21:49,333 --> 00:21:52,033 >> MY POINT IS LOGIC WHEN IT 640 00:21:52,033 --> 00:21:53,733 COMES TO SOME TRUMP PEOPLE THE 641 00:21:53,733 --> 00:21:56,000 CRITICS SAY IS NONEXISTENT YOU 642 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,333 CANNOT LOGICALLY REASON WITH 643 00:21:57,333 --> 00:21:58,633 THEM ABOUT THE OUTCOME AND TAKE 644 00:21:58,633 --> 00:21:59,600 THIS TO WHERE IT GOES IN 645 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,266 NOVEMBER. 646 00:22:03,266 --> 00:22:05,733 >> RESOLVE THIS BY GETTING RON 647 00:22:05,733 --> 00:22:08,900 WEISER AND MADDOCK ON THE SHOW 648 00:22:08,900 --> 00:22:11,100 AND GET THEM IN THESE CHAIRS AND 649 00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:12,733 DISCUSS IT WITH THEM. 650 00:22:12,733 --> 00:22:14,633 YOU WON'T COME ON THE SHOW WILL 651 00:22:14,633 --> 00:22:19,233 THEY? 652 00:22:19,233 --> 00:22:20,600 >> WE COULD LOWER THE NATIONAL 653 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:26,200 DEBT BUT IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 654 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,766 >> I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THEY 655 00:22:27,766 --> 00:22:28,900 DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS IT 656 00:22:28,900 --> 00:22:32,066 PUBLICLY. 657 00:22:32,066 --> 00:22:33,400 >> ITS DIRTY WASH. 658 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:34,633 >> HOW DO YOU WIN IN NOVEMBER 659 00:22:34,633 --> 00:22:36,066 WITH A SPLIT PARTY? 660 00:22:36,066 --> 00:22:37,900 >> THE PEOPLE IN THE PARTY THAT 661 00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:40,400 ARE SUPPORTING THEM THEY DO HAVE 662 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:41,766 A LOGICAL ARGUMENT. 663 00:22:41,766 --> 00:22:43,666 THEY ARE MAKING AN ARGUMENT. 664 00:22:43,666 --> 00:22:46,300 TOM LEONARD LOST TO NESSEL WE 665 00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:48,033 HAVE SEEN THAT BUT THEY BELIEVE 666 00:22:48,033 --> 00:22:49,433 THAT THEY NEED TO CHASE DOWN 667 00:22:49,433 --> 00:22:51,133 TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN STRATEGY 668 00:22:51,133 --> 00:22:52,433 BECAUSE BASICALLY THE 669 00:22:52,433 --> 00:22:54,000 ESTABLISHMENT DONORS ARE MOVING 670 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,466 AWAY FROM THE PARTY AND THE 671 00:22:55,466 --> 00:22:56,700 PARTY CANNOT COUNT ON THOSE 672 00:22:56,700 --> 00:22:58,633 PEOPLE TO FIND THEM ANYMORE I 673 00:22:58,633 --> 00:23:00,100 THINK THERE IS A DECISION THAT 674 00:23:00,100 --> 00:23:02,000 HAS BEEN MADE LIKE WE NEED THE 675 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,866 GRASSROOT DONORS THAT DONALD 676 00:23:03,866 --> 00:23:05,433 TRUMP UNLOCKED YOU WON'T GET 677 00:23:05,433 --> 00:23:07,666 THOSE IF YOU GO THE USUAL WAY 678 00:23:07,666 --> 00:23:09,400 THAT YOU PLAY THE ELECTIONS. 679 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:10,833 IT IS AN INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT 680 00:23:10,833 --> 00:23:12,000 DECISION THAT THE PARTY IS 681 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,200 CAUGHT IN. 682 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,033 EITHER WAY THEY GO THERE WILL BE 683 00:23:15,033 --> 00:23:16,400 PROBLEMS. 684 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,933 >> WILL WE HAVE A BREAK PARTY? 685 00:23:18,933 --> 00:23:20,366 >> I DON'T THINK SO. 686 00:23:20,366 --> 00:23:22,100 >> I DON'T THINK SO. 687 00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:23,733 >> THE DEMOCRATS IT DID HAVE A 688 00:23:23,733 --> 00:23:26,500 CONVENTION AND IT SHOWS WHERE 689 00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:28,000 THEY ARE IN THE RUN DOWN IN THE 690 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,900 STORY WE HAVE TWO MINUTES TO GO 691 00:23:29,900 --> 00:23:34,433 TO WHAT WE LEARN FROM THAT 692 00:23:34,433 --> 00:23:35,700 CONVENTION? 693 00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:36,700 >> THEN NEED ANOTHER CUP OF 694 00:23:36,700 --> 00:23:37,366 COFFEE. 695 00:23:37,366 --> 00:23:38,400 >> THE THINGS WE HAVE KNOWN 696 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,933 BEFORE WHICH IS THAT WE HAVE 697 00:23:39,933 --> 00:23:41,333 JOCELYN BENSON WILL BE THE 698 00:23:41,333 --> 00:23:43,333 SECRETARY OF STATE CANDIDATE, 699 00:23:43,333 --> 00:23:45,666 DANA NESSEL AS ATTORNEY GENERAL 700 00:23:45,666 --> 00:23:47,800 AND GRETCHEN WITMER AND GARLAND 701 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,166 GILCHREST AS GOVERNOR AND 702 00:23:49,166 --> 00:23:50,600 LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR. 703 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,133 WE DID HERE ARE SOME ISSUES 704 00:23:52,133 --> 00:23:53,466 OBVIOUSLY THAT THEY WILL BE 705 00:23:53,466 --> 00:23:55,300 TALKING A LOT ABOUT COMING INTO 706 00:23:55,300 --> 00:23:57,133 THE ELECTION ONE OF WHICH IS 707 00:23:57,133 --> 00:23:58,666 ABORTION RIGHTS. 708 00:23:58,666 --> 00:24:00,533 TWO WEEKS TO GO THREE WEEKS AGO 709 00:24:00,533 --> 00:24:03,600 WE SAW -- NOPE ONE WEEK. 710 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,233 THERE IS NO TIME. 711 00:24:05,233 --> 00:24:06,733 THE GOVERNOR CAME OUT AND SAID 712 00:24:06,733 --> 00:24:08,266 SHE'S USING HER AUTHORITY TO 713 00:24:08,266 --> 00:24:12,166 BRING ABORTION BACK TO THE 714 00:24:12,166 --> 00:24:12,833 FOREFRONT. 715 00:24:12,833 --> 00:24:14,233 >> I HAVE A POSTER THAT SAYS 716 00:24:14,233 --> 00:24:16,000 THIS DECIDES THE RACE. 717 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,666 >> THAT'S RIGHT AND FOR YEARS 718 00:24:17,666 --> 00:24:20,766 AND YEARS IT'S THE ECONOMY AND 719 00:24:20,766 --> 00:24:23,633 THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO TALK 720 00:24:23,633 --> 00:24:26,566 ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND INFLATION 721 00:24:26,566 --> 00:24:27,900 AND THINGS THAT FOLKS ARE 722 00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:30,566 FEELING DAY IN AND DAY OUT EVERY 723 00:24:30,566 --> 00:24:32,000 TIME YOU DRIVE PASS A GAS 724 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,466 STATION HOWEVER, ONCE THE 725 00:24:34,466 --> 00:24:37,066 SUPREME COURT RULES AND IT COULD 726 00:24:37,066 --> 00:24:40,033 BE ANY WEEK NOW BUT THAT COULD 727 00:24:40,033 --> 00:24:43,200 REALLY CHANGE THIS AGAIN FOR 728 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,500 TURN OUT AND FOR ENTHUSIASM 729 00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:47,600 WITHIN THE PARTY. 730 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,866 >> ARE THE DEMOCRATS A GEEK TO 731 00:24:49,866 --> 00:24:51,433 DO THE ELECTION? 732 00:24:51,433 --> 00:24:53,033 >> I THINK THEY ARE ENTHUSED 733 00:24:53,033 --> 00:24:54,433 ABOUT THIS. 734 00:24:54,433 --> 00:24:55,600 WE HAVE TWO PARTIES THAT WILL 735 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,600 TALK PASS EACH OTHER. 736 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:58,800 DEMOCRATS WILL BE FOCUSED ON 737 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,233 ABORTION RIGHTS AND DEMOCRACY 738 00:25:01,233 --> 00:25:02,700 BEING AT STAKE AND REPUBLICANS 739 00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:03,900 WILL COUNSELING TRY TO BRING IT 740 00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:05,233 BACK TO THE ECONOMY AND GOOD 741 00:25:05,233 --> 00:25:06,466 LUCK TO ALL OF US TO TRY TO GET 742 00:25:06,466 --> 00:25:08,033 ANY OF US TO ANSWER QUESTIONS 743 00:25:08,033 --> 00:25:10,466 STRAIGHT ON ANY OF THIS. 744 00:25:10,466 --> 00:25:12,566 >> DO WE EXPECT TO SEE JOE BIDEN 745 00:25:12,566 --> 00:25:13,600 HERE CAMPAIGNING WITH THE 746 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,100 GOVERNOR? 747 00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:17,733 >> I THINK HE STARTED DOING THAT 748 00:25:17,733 --> 00:25:20,966 AND THEN YOU KNOW HIS POLL 749 00:25:20,966 --> 00:25:22,866 NUMBERS ARE NOT WHERE THE 750 00:25:22,866 --> 00:25:24,533 MAJORITY THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE 751 00:25:24,533 --> 00:25:27,533 AND WE SAW IT DROP OFF LAST TIME 752 00:25:27,533 --> 00:25:29,466 HE WAS HERE IN OCTOBER. 753 00:25:29,466 --> 00:25:31,066 >> SHE WAS NOT THERE SHE WAS IN 754 00:25:31,066 --> 00:25:32,700 CALIFORNIA. 755 00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:33,966 >> A GOOD POINT. 756 00:25:33,966 --> 00:25:36,166 >> MAYBE IT WAS A COINCIDENCE. 757 00:25:36,166 --> 00:25:38,833 >> AND STACY ABRAMS IN GEORGIA 758 00:25:38,833 --> 00:25:41,300 THERE IS A SCHEDULING CONFLICT. 759 00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:42,900 >> IT GOES BACK TO THAT ASSET 760 00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:44,266 AND LIABILITY ISSUE THAT'S THE 761 00:25:44,266 --> 00:25:45,866 BEAUTY OF THE STORY AND WE'LL 762 00:25:45,866 --> 00:25:47,100 SEE HOW THIS THING DEVELOPS 763 00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:48,566 THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHT. 764 00:25:48,566 --> 00:25:49,800 HOW MUCH ARE CHARGING ME FOR 765 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,000 THIS? 766 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,300 DO WE NEED GAS MONEY? 767 00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:55,733 >> WE CAN NEGOTIATE. 768 00:25:55,733 --> 00:25:57,900 >> WELCOMED OFF THE RECORD IT SO 769 00:25:57,900 --> 00:25:59,833 NICE TO GET YOU ON BOARD. 770 00:25:59,833 --> 00:26:04,533 EVERYONE HAVE A NICE WEEKEND. 771 00:26:04,533 --> 00:26:11,000 NEXT WEEK MSU JOURNAL STUDENTS 772 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,066 DISCUSSING THE ROCK. 773 00:26:14,066 --> 00:26:24,400 WE WILL SEE YOU THEN. 774 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,533 >> FOR MORE OF THE RECORD VISIT 775 00:26:27,533 --> 00:26:28,533 W K A R .COM.