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And now this edition of "Off the

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Record" with Tim Skubick.

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>> Thank you very much.

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And thank you for working us in

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to your schedule, joining us

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here on "Off the Record" as we

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continue coverage of the budget

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deficit and they had a by tart

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an deal at ride by the house and

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senate what are the highlights

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and low rights as the case may

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be, Kathy.

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>> It's a big deal, because it's

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a big budget deficit.

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Over $3 million for this fiscal

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year and another $3 billion for

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the next fiscal year.

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One of the main things was

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350 million from the rainy day

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fund and they also supplemented

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the budget with a bunch of money

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from federal government from the

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Corona relieve act instead of

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cutting the budget, the State

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budget of the Michigan state

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police and the corrections

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department by backfilled it with

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the department of corrections so

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there was a lot of talk of whit

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her had been defunding the

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police, that wasn't the case she

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moved federal money in to that

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to back feel it.

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>> Zach.

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>> And, you know, kathy is a

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right, really the big thing here

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was the use of the federal

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money.

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You are talking about a

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$2.2 billion middle of the year

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deficit with only a few months

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left in the fiscal year.

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Most of the mon it's state

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spends is out the door.

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It was funny because for a long

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time the governor had been

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saying the federal government

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had to come through with more

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money for the States.

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She is still saying that, but

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was also saying at the time

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there wasn't flexibility in the

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first $3 billion of cares action

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or coronavirus relief funds that

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the federal government said for

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the states to use.

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I think the governor and the

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legislature decided to tell the

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government we are going to see

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how serious you are about it.

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I know may have said they

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believe this complies with all

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of the federal rules, but it is

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different from what was said for

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a while.

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And, you know, they were

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basically able to backfill all

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of the reduction -- not all of

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it it, a rouge portion of the

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reductions in state spending

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with the federal coronavirus

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money.

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I think knowing that it the odds

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the federal government will come

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knocking on the door and say we

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would like, you know, that

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billion dollars back, please.

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Is extremely unlikely,

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particularly in an election

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Particularly in an election year

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where Michigan is so important.

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The other piece that really sad

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out was how they handle the

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additional money to schools.

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Schools lost, I think,

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$256 million in state spending

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but are getting 512 million, if

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my math is right, Hopefully have

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it is, in federal cares act

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spending.

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So they are actually going to

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get more out of this for the

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reminder of the fiscal year,

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$350 per pupil.

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>> Yeah, I think the State, the

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whitmer administration and now

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this deal in concert with the

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legislature has been pretty

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crafty about how may have taken

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advantage of federal dollars

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that were available.

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Of course may have not only used

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the cares act money to backfill

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and sort of in a strategic way,

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Zach, you are right it, could be

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a test case but they are sending

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most of the moneys to police, to

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corrections, and to schools,

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which do have more costs

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associated with the pandemic

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than other areas of state

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government.

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So I think they can make a

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legitimate claim, anyways, that

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they are using in this money in

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coronavirus-related activities.

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Not simply to make found a

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budget deficit.

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At the same time, the State has,

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and this has been more

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controversial, may have avoided

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huge lay offs in state

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government by essentially

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furloughing state employees one

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day a week.

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And making them eligible then

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for the 600-dollar a week in

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pandemic unemployment

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assistance.

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So the State has, again, sought

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of tapped in to what federal

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resources there are available to

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weather this storm right now.

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Tim, I don't want to get ahead

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of you because this is probably

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your next question, of course

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the big issue now is next year.

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The State has pretty muched used

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up all of the 3 billion in cares

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act funding got.

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It's tapped the rainy day fund

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there is still about 850 million

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left in there.

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But the State is looking another

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another $3 billion deficit and

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has to balance its budget by

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So if there is not more federal

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money coming from congress it

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sound like in the senate GOP

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plan that they are working on

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doesn't include initially money

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for states, at least direct

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assistance for states and local

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governments this thing is going

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to get a lot worse come

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>> Yeah, I want to get in to the

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October 1 thing.

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But to put a ribbon on this

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thing, any tomb you come up with

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a bipartisan agreement,

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particularly in the current

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climate where the governor and

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the senate Republican leader or

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not getting a long so well now I

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am picking up vibrations the

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speaker is upset with the

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Republican leader so to rise

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above that and get an agreement

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is good news.

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It's easy to do an agreement

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with somebody else's money, they

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didn't have to raise taxes.

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The administration going in to

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this thing was very antsy about

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the Republicans coming after

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this budget and taking a chance

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to reduce the size of the

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bureaucracy and lay off some

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people and say, boy, we are

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really cutting state services.

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No one in TV land will feel

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these cuts at all S that a fair

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statement Kathy?

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>> Yeah, I don't think that

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there is going to be a whole lot

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of angst about this particular

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budget.

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They were able to do that.

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But you are right, on

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October 1st, that's going to

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be -- $3 billion is a tough nut

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to crack.

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And they don't have a whole lot

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of avenues to explore to get rid

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of that without making some

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pretty drastic cuts.

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one -- go ahead.

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answer to that. I really think

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the key question is what does

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congress do, with all the house

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Democrats in the house passed a

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$3 trillion that had a large sum

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of money to help states and

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local governments with their

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budgets.

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The senate Republicans and the

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president turned up their nose

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at that.

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This was a while ago.

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president and the senate

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Republicans can't seem to get on

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the same payment.

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But to the extent that they

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might be, there is a talk of a

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1 trillion package that does

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have money to help the schools

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reopen.

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But not for states generally.

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So right now it seems like -- I

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guess if you are the house

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Democrats and you are speaker

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Pelosi, you just sit back and

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let the Republicans negotiate

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against themselves.

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The political environment is

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really favoring the Democrats

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right now.

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The Republicans we want from

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saying, well, maybe we'll do

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another stimulus package to now

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they are up to a trillion and

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probably if you are speaker

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Pelosi you just sit back and let

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them twist and come up more.

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Now, is that said, it's -- there

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is some aid to the states here

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that will make the task lot

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easier.

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If there isn't, and heavens

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knows congress has a knack for

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screwing it up and not coming

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together on something.

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It's a pile of trouble.

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You know, 3 trillion as Kathy

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said, it is a massive number for

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one fiscal year to resolve.

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It would -- pulled pretty much

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have to have some combination of

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a either, you know, massive

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amount of cuts, a massive tax

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increase.

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Huge -- some kind of -- there is

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always a accounting gag you turn

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to, maybe they try one of those.

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About you it will take something

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extremely dramatic.

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Remember, the entire general

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funds of the state is only,

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quote, unquote, only, about

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$10 billion.

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That's what you have to target

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to take 30% of the budget oat at

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one fell swoop would be brutal.

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>> Let's keep in mind this final

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decision on resolve that go

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$3 billion figure will come

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right on the eve of an election

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and so everybody is going to be

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very concerned as to how they do

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on this.

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On one hand if you it out the

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State police and roll back

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prisons and stuff like that.

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That's bad politically.

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But on the other hand, if you

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are talking about a revenue

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increase everybody goes bonkers

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over that as well.

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This is going to be a real test

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of the leadership of these

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leaders.

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The two Republican leaders and

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this governor as to whether they

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can navigate that in a way that,

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yes, there will be disagreements

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but at the end of the day may

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have to find a bottom line, I'll

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tell you what, the federal

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government is not going to send

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them $3 billion.

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They are going to get some

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money, but it won't fill in the

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entire hole.

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Isn't that a fair statement,

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Jonathan?

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>> You are probably right.

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I mean, from what we are hearing

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out of senate Republicans right

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now, you know, they are starting

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at $0 for state government, for

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state governments.

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The bigger issue, let's pull

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back a second state government

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financing obviously a huge deal,

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but there is also a lot of other

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issues tied up in this congress

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the package, most importantly

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unemployment assistance for the

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many, many people who remain

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jobless during the pandemic.

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That 600-dollar a week pandemic

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unemployment assistance that I

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mentioned expires at the end of

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this week, you know, starting

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next week people who certificate

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for unemployment benefits won't

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be able to watch for that. It's

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going to be a big, big deal.

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There is talk congress might

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trying to do some sort of

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stopgap measure on that front,

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but that will be the driving

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force behind get something sort

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of deal done, not necessarily

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state finances at this point.

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>> Let's turn the page and talk

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about covid.

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We have not heard anything from

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the governor this week.

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Well, we are not told -- my

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guess is she's taking time off

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if I am wrong I am sure she'll

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call me and tell me that I was

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and I would appreciate the call.

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Let's assume, Kathy.

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With another 700 cases on one

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day, are we getting closer to a

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phase three roll back?

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What's your get tell you until.

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>> I think the magic number is a

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thousand.

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And if we get up to a thousand

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and maybe even 800 or 900 I

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think that we'll see that indoor

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dining will end again.

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There are many things that she

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can do I don't know about if

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northern Michigan and the upper

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peninsula, those numbers haven't

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gone up too much.

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Northern Michigan may have in

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spots.

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There are just these little

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pockets that keep happening and

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until order to -- in order to

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get rid of -- to get tamp those

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down, they are going to have to

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do some -- some things about

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gatherings and it's the indoor

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dining that type of thing that I

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think if we see anything that's

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what we will see.

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>> Zach, what does your gut tell

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you?

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>> You know, it's -- because the

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governor has been stridently

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resistent to putting numbers or

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metrics on what creates that

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Remember holes for certain

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actions, I really don't know

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what -- it seems like there is

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sort of an amalgamation of

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numbers and sense of the

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situation and advice that goes

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in to what she decides to do.

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I think -- a thousand cases,

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yes.

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I think, though, there have

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would to be starting to be a bit

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of a crew from the hospitals

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that they are starting to see

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capacity diminish.

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You know, I think if the

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governor were to move the State

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back to phase three or, you

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know, where people can't gee to

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the office again and indoor

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dining is shutdown, and it would

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mean definitively no in person

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schooling and a whole host of

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other restrictions, I think it

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will be easier to make the case

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for that if the hospitals are

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showing capacity concerns in the

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parts of the State where she

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feels she needs to do that.

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If it's just more cases but

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these tend to be the

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asymptomatic folks and the

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hospital capacity seems to be

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not a problem, that will be more

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challenging because that, of

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course, is the big reason for

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the shutdown in the beginning,

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was the concern about

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overrunning the hospitals, the

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need to flatten the curve.

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And so forth.

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You know, the governor, she has

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her phase plan, but she's

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deviated from that constantly

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to, you know, suit whatever she

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feels is needed at that moment.

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She's clearly resistent,

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understandably, to rolling it

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back.

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So I think it's probably going

448
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to have to get a fair amount

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worse than we are seeing right

450
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now.

451
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>> All right.

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Let's call in our guest right

453
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now.

454
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Somebody's name you know

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thousand pronounce now after

456
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that bundle of money that he's

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getting.

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Are you there, my friend?

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>> I am here, Tim, good morning,

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how are you?

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>> Good.

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We are doing well.

463
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Have you missed us, sir?

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>> Oh, absolutely.

465
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I missed you.

466
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When I first came on your show I

467
00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,866
was -- people warned me Tim is a

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veteran, all of them are

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veterans and I was a chemist, I

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was new to the political scene.

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And examine I came on your show

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against the advice against some

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of my well wishers.

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>> Goodness, gracious, obviously

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you shot those people because

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here you are, this morning.

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>> Gentlemen.

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>> Jonathan start us off, okay.

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Jonathan.

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>> Yeah.

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You ran a state campaign in

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2018, you are now running for a

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state house seat in Detroit.

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What did you learn from your

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2018 race and how are you

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applying those lessons to your

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state house race?

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00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:06,700
>> Well, you know, I travel all

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across Michigan, had a chance to

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speak with a lot of my

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constituents learn about the

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issues and learn about the

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process.

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I am a small business owner, 25,

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30 years being a serial

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entrepreneur, running my own

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company as a CEO is different

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than from being in a political

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environment, but I like the

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experience, it was exciting.

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It was something that I learn a

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lot.

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And I realize that I have a

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passion for it.

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More than just doing God for my

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familiar family, it's a chance

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for to make an impact on the

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entire state and now under the

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current situation you know, make

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a statement make an impact on my

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district.

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>> Shri, you've got eight -- I

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think it's eight candidates in

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your race.

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And in this pandemic, it's hard

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to breakthrough.

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What types of things are you

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doing to try to connect with

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voters who maybe didn't know you

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that well even though you ran

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for governor?

522
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>> Well, we use a lot of

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mailings, we sent about eight or

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10 different mailers.

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We also use this opportunity to

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talk about covid.

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So several of our mailers had

528
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nothing do with politics, but we

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were evening indicating people

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about covid.

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We also have some door knockers,

532
00:17:48,566 --> 00:17:55,266
we went and hang material on

533
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people's door informing them

534
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about covid.

535
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Because as you know, Kathy,

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covid disproportionately

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impacted the African American

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community, disproportionately

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affected the resident of

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Detroit.

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And we took upon ourselves to

542
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educate and some of our mailers

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as big as 20,000, that we mailed

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out across our district

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educating people and we did that

546
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through phones and some to some

547
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extent by door knocking.

548
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>> Shri, do you find that people

549
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remember you from the governor's

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race?

551
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You made the decision to move to

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Detroit, and run there where you

553
00:18:37,866 --> 00:18:38,966
did win the city and the

554
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Democratic primarily in 2018,,

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down find they were remembering

556
00:18:46,433 --> 00:18:47,166
you?

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Do you think your success in

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Detroit in the gubernatorial

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race translates for a state

560
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which tense to be a shoe

561
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leather, up close and personal

562
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affair?

563
00:18:57,833 --> 00:18:59,666
>> That remains to be seen.

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We'll know that on the night of

565
00:19:01,066 --> 00:19:06,333
the 4th, August 4th, lex is

566
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coming up in less than two

567
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weeks.

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I started my campaign in October

569
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of last year.

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Much before row covid and what

571
00:19:16,733 --> 00:19:18,466
that allowed me do was to go

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00:19:18,466 --> 00:19:19,866
visit people, talk with people,

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00:19:19,866 --> 00:19:22,400
we had small gatherings.

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Lots of conversation, and, yes,

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people remember me.

576
00:19:26,333 --> 00:19:30,100
People remembered me from the

577
00:19:30,100 --> 00:19:32,033
gubernatorial campaign and often

578
00:19:32,033 --> 00:19:34,233
tell me that I voted for you.

579
00:19:34,233 --> 00:19:35,666
I wanted you to be the governor.

580
00:19:35,666 --> 00:19:38,400
And I am voting for you again.

581
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,833
37,000 people voted for me, you

582
00:19:41,833 --> 00:19:44,433
know, I edged out by a few

583
00:19:44,433 --> 00:19:48,800
thousand over Gretchen whitner

584
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,100
in that Democratic primary in

585
00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:53,666
2018 for the governor's race.

586
00:19:53,666 --> 00:19:55,200
>> Dr. Shri, the president says

587
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,800
he's sending some federal folks

588
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,233
in to help fight violent crime

589
00:19:59,233 --> 00:19:59,933
in Detroit.

590
00:19:59,933 --> 00:20:01,366
Are you comfortable with that,

591
00:20:01,366 --> 00:20:05,200
sir?

592
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,766
>> I do not like this is not the

593
00:20:08,766 --> 00:20:10,400
time.

594
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,933
Nor do we need this helpful we

595
00:20:11,933 --> 00:20:15,166
need to, you know, hands that

596
00:20:15,166 --> 00:20:17,466
would locally and we are quite

597
00:20:17,466 --> 00:20:18,800
capable of handle that go

598
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:19,200
locally.

599
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,333
I think I am -- I am comfortable

600
00:20:23,333 --> 00:20:23,633
with.

601
00:20:23,633 --> 00:20:24,733
We need to deal with the crime

602
00:20:24,733 --> 00:20:26,366
issue, we need to deal with the

603
00:20:26,366 --> 00:20:28,900
local issues, but we have an

604
00:20:28,900 --> 00:20:31,533
infrastructure locally that is

605
00:20:31,533 --> 00:20:35,100
quite capable of handling that.

606
00:20:35,100 --> 00:20:38,033
[Speaking at the same time]

607
00:20:38,033 --> 00:20:40,333
>> Go ahead, jonathan.

608
00:20:40,333 --> 00:20:41,766
>> I was going to say the

609
00:20:41,766 --> 00:20:43,466
million dollars question, Shri,

610
00:20:43,466 --> 00:20:45,000
you spent more than $10 million

611
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,633
on your gubernatorial campaign.

612
00:20:47,633 --> 00:20:48,333
How much are you spend on the

613
00:20:48,333 --> 00:20:49,633
ground your state house race?

614
00:20:49,633 --> 00:20:53,733
We know some of the most

615
00:20:53,733 --> 00:20:56,133
expensive state house races Pete

616
00:20:56,133 --> 00:20:57,566
in 2014 spent upwards of

617
00:20:57,566 --> 00:21:01,000
$330,000 on his race, how much

618
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,233
do you expect to spend?

619
00:21:03,233 --> 00:21:04,633
>> Not quite as much as what I

620
00:21:04,633 --> 00:21:05,866
spent in the governor's race,

621
00:21:05,866 --> 00:21:07,666
but it will be a few hundred

622
00:21:07,666 --> 00:21:11,033
thousand dollars, yes.

623
00:21:11,033 --> 00:21:12,333
>> And a lot of that went in to

624
00:21:12,333 --> 00:21:16,200
the covid education.

625
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,600
We bought a lot of masks and we

626
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,033
bought a lot of hand sanitizers

627
00:21:21,033 --> 00:21:23,166
and made it a point to go

628
00:21:23,166 --> 00:21:25,800
deliver that to 10,000

629
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,400
households.

630
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,433
We had food, we had fruits that

631
00:21:30,433 --> 00:21:31,533
we distributed.

632
00:21:31,533 --> 00:21:37,433
So a lot of my expenditure this

633
00:21:37,433 --> 00:21:40,066
time was not the traditional

634
00:21:40,066 --> 00:21:43,033
political campaign expense but

635
00:21:43,033 --> 00:21:45,333
it was more educating people

636
00:21:45,333 --> 00:21:47,866
about covid helping them with

637
00:21:47,866 --> 00:21:49,500
supplies, that's really what we

638
00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:56,700
did.

639
00:21:56,700 --> 00:21:57,500
>> There is still a feeling in

640
00:21:57,500 --> 00:21:58,800
Democratic circles that you are

641
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,233
not a legitimate Democrat.

642
00:22:00,233 --> 00:22:04,066
You remember during the governor

643
00:22:04,066 --> 00:22:06,166
race I think it was the gross

644
00:22:06,166 --> 00:22:08,000
point Democratic club gave you

645
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,533
an anti endorsement.

646
00:22:10,533 --> 00:22:12,566
Told them people not to vote for

647
00:22:12,566 --> 00:22:12,733
you.

648
00:22:12,733 --> 00:22:19,433
What do you say to that, what

649
00:22:19,433 --> 00:22:21,266
are your Democratic bona fide

650
00:22:21,266 --> 00:22:21,966
are identifieds.

651
00:22:21,966 --> 00:22:23,166
Would you be an ally of the

652
00:22:23,166 --> 00:22:25,200
governor's if you were elected.

653
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,800
Would you organize in a

654
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:28,333
different way.

655
00:22:28,333 --> 00:22:29,833
Would you be annual why of

656
00:22:29,833 --> 00:22:31,266
organized labor.

657
00:22:31,266 --> 00:22:32,066
>> Absolutely.

658
00:22:32,066 --> 00:22:32,766
Absolutely.

659
00:22:32,766 --> 00:22:34,500
I think people forget the

660
00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:37,700
background where I came from.

661
00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:39,333
You know, I grew up in poverty

662
00:22:39,333 --> 00:22:39,566
it.

663
00:22:39,566 --> 00:22:41,966
I grew up four sisters, a

664
00:22:41,966 --> 00:22:43,666
brother and my mom and dad,

665
00:22:43,666 --> 00:22:45,800
eight of us lived in a 900

666
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,166
square feet home that had a roof

667
00:22:49,166 --> 00:22:51,000
that leaked all the time when it

668
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,933
rained.

669
00:22:52,933 --> 00:22:54,566
And I had to mop up the floors.

670
00:22:54,566 --> 00:22:56,966
We slept on the floor, we ate on

671
00:22:56,966 --> 00:22:59,300
the floor.

672
00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:01,833
The bathroom was 50 feet behind

673
00:23:01,833 --> 00:23:03,266
the house, there was no running

674
00:23:03,266 --> 00:23:04,233
water.

675
00:23:04,233 --> 00:23:04,966
That's how I grew up.

676
00:23:04,966 --> 00:23:10,833
People look at my wealth and

677
00:23:10,833 --> 00:23:12,266
feel that I am not a Democrat

678
00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:13,366
because I had later financial

679
00:23:13,366 --> 00:23:13,766
success.

680
00:23:13,766 --> 00:23:19,433
The core of me is the one that

681
00:23:19,433 --> 00:23:23,700
understands the pain of poverty.

682
00:23:23,700 --> 00:23:25,100
I understand the life and the

683
00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:26,133
difficulties of raising a

684
00:23:26,133 --> 00:23:27,466
family, taking care of your

685
00:23:27,466 --> 00:23:28,466
parents, healthcare needs.

686
00:23:28,466 --> 00:23:33,100
And my struggles then were not

687
00:23:33,100 --> 00:23:34,833
different from Detroit

688
00:23:34,833 --> 00:23:36,666
constituents struggle now.

689
00:23:36,666 --> 00:23:45,233
The rope supporters supported me

690
00:23:45,233 --> 00:23:46,933
back then and are supporting me

691
00:23:46,933 --> 00:23:47,866
now is because they understand

692
00:23:47,866 --> 00:23:48,566
my story.

693
00:23:48,566 --> 00:23:51,300
But sometimes the elites look at

694
00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:54,033
me as a multimillionaire and

695
00:23:54,033 --> 00:23:55,900
don't think that I can be a

696
00:23:55,900 --> 00:23:59,233
Democrat.

697
00:23:59,233 --> 00:24:02,366
>> Dr. Shri Thanendar, do you

698
00:24:02,366 --> 00:24:03,766
think people should be fined 500

699
00:24:03,766 --> 00:24:07,100
bucks if they don't wear a mask?

700
00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:08,233
>> It's going to be very

701
00:24:08,233 --> 00:24:11,966
difficult to impose that.

702
00:24:11,966 --> 00:24:16,800
And impose that, but we all need

703
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:17,833
to wear the mask.

704
00:24:17,833 --> 00:24:21,466
And we all have this moral

705
00:24:21,466 --> 00:24:23,066
responsibility to do that, to

706
00:24:23,066 --> 00:24:24,666
protect our lives, but more

707
00:24:24,666 --> 00:24:26,100
importantly, protect other

708
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:30,666
people's lives, especially the

709
00:24:30,666 --> 00:24:31,800
people who are vulnerable, we

710
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:32,700
need to protect them.

711
00:24:32,700 --> 00:24:33,900
And it's certainly something

712
00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:38,333
that if we can enforce it, then

713
00:24:38,333 --> 00:24:40,066
we should.

714
00:24:40,066 --> 00:24:40,666
>> What about the people that

715
00:24:40,666 --> 00:24:42,100
are not masking up, are they

716
00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:45,800
unamerican or what are they?

717
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,433
>> I think they just need more

718
00:24:47,433 --> 00:24:48,466
education.

719
00:24:48,466 --> 00:24:49,766
A lot of times they don't

720
00:24:49,766 --> 00:24:51,300
understand the science part of

721
00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:51,466
it.

722
00:24:51,466 --> 00:24:55,466
You know, especially in the

723
00:24:55,466 --> 00:24:58,066
Detroit area, people live in

724
00:24:58,066 --> 00:25:00,300
small quarters, evening if the

725
00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:03,666
kids can recover from covid, and

726
00:25:03,666 --> 00:25:05,100
elderly or somebody who is

727
00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:09,233
immunocompromised play not

728
00:25:09,233 --> 00:25:10,766
recover from a covid infection,

729
00:25:10,766 --> 00:25:12,266
this infection is so easy to

730
00:25:12,266 --> 00:25:13,500
pass to another person, so I

731
00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:15,800
think sometimes the young people

732
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,233
do not understand the

733
00:25:17,233 --> 00:25:19,033
seriousness of it.

734
00:25:19,033 --> 00:25:21,566
And how it will impact an

735
00:25:21,566 --> 00:25:23,900
elderly person or somebody with

736
00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:26,833
immunocompromised system.

737
00:25:26,833 --> 00:25:27,933
>> You don't.

738
00:25:27,933 --> 00:25:28,500
[Speaking at the same time]

739
00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:30,366
>> You don't say some people

740
00:25:30,366 --> 00:25:31,766
think basically you are cutting

741
00:25:31,766 --> 00:25:33,500
in on their freedom, if they

742
00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:34,200
don't what.

743
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,866
To wear a mask they shouldn't

744
00:25:36,866 --> 00:25:37,900
have to wear a mask.

745
00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:39,100
>> This is a science issue.

746
00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:42,633
We are dealing with a pandemic

747
00:25:42,633 --> 00:25:44,133
and the president has made this

748
00:25:44,133 --> 00:25:49,400
in to a political issue and now

749
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,133
Early is polarized unfortunately

750
00:25:52,133 --> 00:25:53,033
something as simple as a

751
00:25:53,033 --> 00:25:55,366
scientific issue, a pandemic

752
00:25:55,366 --> 00:25:57,300
issue, an issue I about life and

753
00:25:57,300 --> 00:25:58,700
death now suddenly became a

754
00:25:58,700 --> 00:26:00,033
right issue and a left issue.

755
00:26:00,033 --> 00:26:05,966
And it's unfortunate we are

756
00:26:05,966 --> 00:26:06,800
dealing with not from a

757
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,500
scientific points of view but

758
00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:13,066
with eyeology and the rest and

759
00:26:13,066 --> 00:26:14,500
left.

760
00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:16,333
>> Let's do a little overtime

761
00:26:16,333 --> 00:26:17,933
segment and hang other, doc and

762
00:26:17,933 --> 00:26:19,133
we'll be back after closed

763
00:26:19,133 --> 00:26:21,866
credits please going to WKAR.org

764
00:26:21,866 --> 00:26:23,400
for more of our conversation

765
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,000
overtime with Dr. Shri Thanendar

766
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,533
now run for this Michigan house,

767
00:26:26,533 --> 00:26:29,333
see you after this.

768
00:26:29,333 --> 00:26:30,066
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