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WELCOME BACK TO THIS SPECIAL

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EDITION OF OFF THE RECORD OUR

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LEAD STORY YOU KNOW WHAT

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WE WILL HAVE INSIGHTS ON OUR

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PANEL THIS WEEK CHAD LIVENGOOD

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KATHY GRAY AND BILL BALLENGER

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SIT IN WITH US AS WE GET THE

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INSIDE OUT OFF THE RECORD.

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>> Reporter: PRODUCTION OF OFF

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THE RECORD IS MADE POSSIBLE IN

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PART BY THE FOLLOWING, BUSINESS

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LEADERS FOR MICHIGAN HAS A

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STRATEGIC PLAN TO MAKE MICHIGAN

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A TOP TEN STATE IN THE NATION

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FOR JOBS, PERSONAL INCOME AND A

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HEALTHY ECONOMY LEARN MORE AT

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MICHIGAN ROAD TO TOP TEN.COM.

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AND NOW THIS EDITION OF OFF THE

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RECORD WITH TIM SKUBICK.

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WELCOME BACK TO OFF THE RECORD

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WELL QUITE A WEEK IN OUR COUNTRY

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AND STATE LET BEGIN WITH THE

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PRESIDENTIAL RACE IN THE STATE

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OF MICHIGAN GOING TO JOE BIDEN

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KATHY YOUR THOUGHTS.

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>> WELL JOE BIDEN WAS ABLE TO

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FLIP A FEW COUNTIES IN MICHIGAN

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FROM RED TO BLUE.

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HE WON IN LEENAW AND SAGINAW

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COUNTY AND COUNTIES TRUMP ONE IN

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2016.

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AND HE REALLY BOOSTED HIS

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MARGINS IN WAYNE COUNTY AND

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OAKLAND COUNTY AND THE TURN OUT,

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THE TURN OUT REALLY HELPED HIM A

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LOT TOO 5.5 MILLION VOTED THAT

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IS 71% TOTAL VOTER TURN OUT

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WHICH IS REALLY PRETTY

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WHAT KIND OF LED TO MR. BIDEN

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SEEMING TO HE IS THE WINNER IN

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MICHIGAN.

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AND HEADING TOWARDS THE

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PRESIDENCY.

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>> MR. BALLENGER?

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>> KATHY IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT I

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THINK THE DIFFERENCE OF 4.8

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MILLION TURNING OUT IN 2016 AND

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5.5 MILLION TURNING OUT THIS

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YEAR THE EXTRA 700, 8000,000

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VOTERS PREDOMINANT TILTED TO THE

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DEMOCRATS AND THAT MADE THE

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DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A VIRTUAL

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DEAD HEAT FOUR YEARS AGO AND

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BIDEN WINNING BY 3% OR SOMETHING

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WHEN THE VOTES ARE ALL COUNTED

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>> CHAD.

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>> TIM, THIS 2.79 MILLION VOTES

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THAT JOE BIDEN WON IT IS GOING

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TO GO DOWN IN THE HISTORY AS THE

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SECOND LARGEST VICTORY IN

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MICHIGAN HISTORY ONLY BEHIND

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BARACK OBAMA AND JOE BIDEN SO

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WIN IN 2008 WHEN OBAMA GARNERED

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2.8 MILLION VOTES IN HIS

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HISTORIC ELECTION SO YEAH, THIS

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ONE IS A RECORD BOOK SHATTERING.

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ALSO WHEN YOU TALK TO VOTERS ON

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THE STREETS AND WHO ARE VOTING

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FOR BIDEN THIS WAS A REFERENDUM

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ON DONALD TRUMP ALL DAY LONG.

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AND THERE WEREN'T MANY UNDECIDED

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WRONG AS FAR AS THE MARGIN BUT

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BUT YEAH AT THE END OF THE DAY

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THIS WAS A REPUDIATION OF DONALD

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HIS BEHAVIOR AS WE TALKED TO

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VOTERS A LOT THE STREETS.

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IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY HIS

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POLICIES THEY DISAGREED WITH IT

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WAS THE WAY THE PRESIDENT

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CONDUCTED HIMSELF AND MANY FEEL

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IT HAS BEEN A STAY ON THE

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>> WHAT STRUCK ME YESTERDAY AND

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LOOKING AT THE STATE OF MICHIGAN

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AND THE MAP AND THE RED COUNTIES

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AND BLUE COUNTIES CHECK THIS

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NUMBER OUT.

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BIDEN ONLY WON 10 COUNTIES IN

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THE STATE OF MICHIGAN THERE WITH

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83 THE REST OF THE MAP IS

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COMMUNIST RED, OKAY AND I DON'T

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MEAN THAT YOU KNOW IN DISRESPECT

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BUT PEOPLE WHO SAY WE ARE A BLUE

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STATE HOLY COW.

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HERE IS THE NUMBER, OKAY, DONALD

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TRUMP INCREASED HIS VOTE COUNT

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IN MICHIGAN BY 366,849 PEOPLE.

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ADDITIONAL FOLKS THAT HE GOT TO

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IS IT FAIR TO CALL THIS TRUMP

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COUNTRY WITH AN ASTERISKS GUYS?

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BECAUSE THE POPULATION CENTERS

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ARE WHERE THE BIDEN SUPPORT IS

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CERTAINLY CALL THIS A RURAL

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SUBURBAN-URBAN DIVIDE IN

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MICHIGAN AND I THINK IT REALLY

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SHOWS HOW DIVIDED THE STATE IS

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THAT THE POPULATION CENTERS ARE

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GOING DEMOCRATIC.

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THE MORE RURAL PARTS OF THE

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STATE WENT BIG FOR TRUMP AND

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THEY REALLY TURNED OUT.

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AND LOOK AT WHERE PRESIDENT

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TRUMP WAS IN THE LAST FIVE DAYS

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OF HIS ELECTION AND IT WAS THOSE

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AREAS WHERE HE WENT ALTHOUGH HE

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WENT TO GRAND RAPIDS AND HE

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ENDED UP LOSING KENT COUNTY BUT

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AGAIN KENT COUNTY IS PART OF THE

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URBAN SUBURBAN LANDSCAPE SO THAT

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IS WHERE MR. BIDEN IS DOING

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REALLY WELL AND WHAT IS EXPECTED

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AND THE RURAL PARTS THEY ARE

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STILL THE BASE OF DONALD TRUMP

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SUPPORT IN MICHIGAN.

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>> YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT

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NORTH OF WHAT IS CALLED TOWN

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LINE 16 ROUGHLY BETWEEN BAY CITY

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DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN BASICALLY

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WIPED OUT IN THE STATE.

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THERE IS ONLY ONE STATE

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THERE AND THAT IS SARAH B ERICK

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NZIE IN THE UP BECAUSE OF THE

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UNIVERSITY.

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THAT IS A VAST TRACK OF VERY

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RULE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN

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TERRITORY BUT THAT IS THE WHOLE

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POINT AS KATHY INDICATED.

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IT'S SPARSELY POPULATED.

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IT JUST DOESN'T HOLD A CANDLE TO

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AREA AND ALL THESE AREAS POCKETS

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KALAMAZOO AND EVEN GRAND RAPIDS.

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ALL HEAVILY DEMOCRATIC.

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SO THE DEMOCRATS AND JOE BIDEN

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RURAL MICHIGAN IS BECOMING WAY

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STATE HOUSE RACES TO KIND OF SEE

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SUBURBAN AND CHERYL KENNEDY LOST

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REPUBLICAN TERRITORY AND DONALD

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GENESEE COUNTY BUT A PERCENTAGE

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CHANGE FROM A GENERATION AGO

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WHERE BILL CLINTON MIGHT HAVE

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WON BY 20 POINTS OR SO.

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THIS IS JUST A DIFFERENT TYPE OF

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TON OF MONEY AND SENT THE ENTIRE

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ARMY UP THERE TO BASICALLY TRY

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SOUTH THE LAST FEW WEEKS AND IT

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THE SAME TIME THIS IS STILL A

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GAME OF MATH AND REPUBLICANS

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HAVE PROBLEMS WINNING STATEWIDE

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RACES IN MICHIGAN RIGHT NOW.

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EVIDENCE AND HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE

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TO WIN A SENATE SEAT IN A

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THEY WON TWO GOVERNORS RACES

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WITH A MODERATE REPUBLICAN BUT

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CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS ARE NOT

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WINNING STATEWIDE RACES IN

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MICHIGAN.

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AND SO THAT IS GOING TO PUT A

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LOT OF PRESSURE ON THEM IN

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FUTURE YEARS IN 2022 WHEN THEY

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TRY TO FILL THE CANDIDATE TO GO

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UP AGAINST GOVERNOR GRETCHEN

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WHITMER AND JOCELYN BENSON AND

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DANA NESSEL SO THERE IS A LOT OF

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THINGS WE CAN READ FROM THIS

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SAME TIME LAST NIGHT GOVERNOR

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WAS ON EVENT WE HAD IT ON ZOOM

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AND SHE REMARKED THAT

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GERRYMANDERING IS ALIVE AND WELL

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IN MICHIGAN AND EVIDENCED BY THE

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REPUBLICANS KEEPING 58-52

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MAJORITY DESPITE DEMOCRATIC WINS

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ACROSS THE BOARD ON STATEWIDE

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LONG ENOUGH TO REMEMBER THAT IN

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THE MICHIGAN LEGISLATURE MOSTLY

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CONTROLLED BY REPUBLICANS THEY

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NEVER WANT TO CREATE A NO REASON

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ABSENTEE VOTING SYSTEM.

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TUESDAY IN MICHIGAN WAS THE

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REASON WHY THEY NEVER WANTED TO

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GO THERE, JOE.

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AND BECAUSE JOE BIDEN TOOK

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ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND BASICALLY

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BUILT WITHOUT ABSENTEE VOTING

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AND WITHOUT COVID I THINK DONALD

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TRUMP WINS MICHIGAN.

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>> VERY EASILY AS I SAID

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EARLIER, I MEAN THE EXTRA

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700,000, 800,000 PEOPLE THAT

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TURNED OUT IN THE ELECTION AS A

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RESULT NOT ONLY OF COVID AND THE

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EMPHASIS ON EARLY VOTING THIS

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YEAR MAIL IN BUT THE PASSAGE OF

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PROPOSAL THREE TWO YEARS AGO

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THAT INSTITUTED NO REASON

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ABSENTEE VOTING SAME DAY

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REGISTRATION, OTHER THINGS TO

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MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO

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VOTE.

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AND WHEN YOU GET A BIGGER TURN

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OUT IN MICHIGAN THE DEMOCRATS

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ARE GOING TO PICK UP THREE,

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FOUR, 5 PERCENT FROM THAT AND

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THAT IS WHAT JOE BIDEN PICKED UP

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THAT MADE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

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2016 AND 2020.

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THAT IS WHY HE WON.

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>> AND ANOTHER FACTOR IN THE

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RACE GO AHEAD KATHY.

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>> I THINK THAT YOU'RE

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DISCOUNTING THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE

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WHO WERE REALLY MOTIVATED TO

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VOTE THIS YEAR.

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NOT NECESSARILY FOR JOE BIDEN

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BUT AGAINST DONALD TRUMP.

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AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE MANY,

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MANY, MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO

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WOULD HAVE CRAWLED ON THEIR

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HANDS AND KNEES TO THE POLLING

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PLACES TO VOTE ON TUESDAY IF

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THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE OPTION TO

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VOTE BY ABSENTEE.

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SURE, A LOT OF PEOPLE VOTED BY

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ABSENTEE.

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A RECORD BREAKING NUMBER OF

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PEOPLE VOTED BY ABSENTEE BUT I

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DON'T THINK YOU CAN DISCOUNT THE

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MOTIVATION THAT PEOPLE HAD TO

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VOTE IN THIS ELECTION.

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>> CHAD.

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>> THE ABSENTEE THIS YEAR 60%

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MAIL IN ALL TIME RECORD.

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FIRST TIME EVER OVER HALF THE

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VOTERS WERE MAIL IN.

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>> CAN WE PUT A FINGER ON GO

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AHEAD.

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>> I GET THAT BILL I GET IT WAS

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A HUGE ABSENTEE VOTING TURN OUT

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BUT IT STILL WAS A HUGE TURN OUT

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OVER ALL AND I THINK YOU WILL

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HAVE A HUGE TURN OUT NO MATTER

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WHAT.

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>> LET ME ASK WHAT VOTING GROUP

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WAS MOST IMPORTANT AND THERE IS

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A LIST SENIOR CITIZENS SUBURBAN

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WOMEN AFRICAN/AMERICAN COMMUNITY

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CHAD PUT YOUR FINGER ON WHICH

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GROUP CARRIED THIS ELECTION IF

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ANYONE.

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>> I WOULD SAY BLACK MICHIGAN

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RESIDENTS AND WOMEN IN GENERAL.

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NOT JUST WOMEN SUBURBAN WOMEN.

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I TALKED TO A WOMAN A

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65-YEAR-OLD RETIRED TEACHER FROM

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HIGGINS LAKE LONG TIME

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REPUBLICAN BASICALLY DESCRIBED

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HERSELF AS A FOX NEWS HOUSEHOLD.

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SHE VOTED AGAINST TRUMP.

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SHE VOTED FOR BIDEN.

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PURELY OUT OF WATCHING HOW TRUMP

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HAS HANDLED THE PANDEMIC AND

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FEWED WITH GOVERNOR WHITMER AND

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VOTED FOR BILL SCHUETTE BUT WENT

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TO THE BALLOT BOX TO DEFEND

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GRETCHEN WHITMER AND HER

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HANDLING THE PANDEMIC AND SORT

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OF WHITMER VERSUS TRUMP FEUD AND

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YOU CAN'T DISCOUNT THE ROLE THAT

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GOVERNOR WHITMER PLAYED IN

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HELPING CARRY MICHIGAN FOR JOE

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BIDEN HELPING DELIVER MICHIGAN

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FOR JOE BIDEN.

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T IN MUCH WAYS WE HAVE SEEN

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ATTEMPTS BY PAST GOVERNORS TO

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HAVE AN OUTSIDE INFLUENCE JUST

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LOOK AT JENNIFER GRANHOLM IN

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2008 HELPING THE ORGANIZATION.

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AND AFRICAN/AMERICANS THE TURN

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OUT IN DETROIT WAS CRUCIAL.

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TO THIS VICTORY.

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THERE WAS A DEPRESSED VOTE IN

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2016, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

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AND I WOULD GO LOOK TO THE

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GROUND GAME OPERATION AT THE

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BIDEN CAMPAIGN WITH IN

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COORDINATION WITH MIKE DUGGAN

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WHOSE SON WAS RUNNING THE GROUND

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GAME IN THE DUGGAN MACHINE

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BASICALLY HELPING TURN OUT THE

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VOTES AND BANK AS MANY ABSENTEE

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BALLOTS AS POSSIBLE MANY OF

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WHICH THEY WERE COUNTING ALL DAY

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ON WEDNESDAY AS WE SAW AT THE

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TRAUMA AT TCF CENTER BUT THAT

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WAS CRUCIAL AS WE WORK-UP

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WEDNESDAY MORNING AND SAW THIS

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REALLY TIGHT RACE AND WAITING

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FOR ALL THESE RESULTS FROM

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DETROIT AND ALSO GRAND RAPIDS

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WHICH HAD A LONG TIME COUNTING

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ALL ITS BALLOTS BECAUSE THEY TOO

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HAD A RECORD AMOUNT OF ABSENTEE

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BALLOTS.

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THREE OUT OF FOUR REGISTERED

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VOTERS IN GRAND RAPIDS TURNED

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OUT ON TUESDAY.

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THAT WAS PRETTY REMARKABLE.

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>> PUT TO REST THE STORY THAT

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WILL POP UP IN THE NEXT COMING

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DAYS YOU MENTIONED THE ROLE

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GOVERNOR WHITMER PLAYED IN THE

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STATE AND HIGH VISIBLY NOT ONLY

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THE STATE BUT NATIONWIDE AND

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WILL BE SPECULATION WILLIAM SHE

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MIGHT BE ASKED TO JOIN THE

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CABINET AND THE ANSWER WHEN I

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TALKED TO HER ABOUT THAT EARLIER

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WAS A RESOUNDING NO BUT LET'S

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SEE WHAT THE GOVERNOR HAD TO SAY

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ON THAT FRONT.

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COULD IT BE AN OMEN THE GOVERNOR

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IS CALLING THE RACE FOR JOE

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BIDEN JUST AS SHE DID LAST

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SATURDAY FOR HER ALMA MATER WHO

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DO YOU HAVE IN THE OFFICE POOL

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TO WIN AND BY WHAT MARGIN?

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>> YOU KNOW WHAT TIM I DON'T DO

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THAT.

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I DID THAT FOR THE MICHIGAN,

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MICHIGAN STATE GAME AND I CALLED

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IT BY THREE.

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>> TAKE A VICTORY FOR MR. BIDEN

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AND TAKE IT TO THE BANK AND IF

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HE WINS HER NAME WILL BE IN PLAY

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IN A JOB IN A NEW BIDEN

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ADMINISTRATION.

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THE GOVERNOR SAYS SHE LOVES

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BEING GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN AND

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QUOTE I'M NOT LOOKING TO GO TO

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WASHINGTON D.C.

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>> CAN I PUT A POINT ON THAT

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TERM NOT LOOKING FOR IS NOT THE

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SAME AS I WILL NOT GO.

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>> TIM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I KNOW

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IN THIS BUSINESS YOU SHOULD

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NEVER SAY NEVER BUT I REALLY

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CANNOT IMAGINE ANY CIRCUMSTANCE

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THAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN

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LEAVING AS GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN.

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>> THAT INCLUDES THE CABINET

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POST.

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>> CORRECT.

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>> THAT OUT OF THE WAY THE

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GOVERNOR IS LASER FOCUSED ON

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MAKING SURE MICHIGAN GOES FOR

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MR. BIDEN.

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BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TURN OUT IN

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DETROIT?

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THE POPULAR WISDOM IS MR. BIDEN

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NEEDS A HUGE BOUNCE OUT OF THE

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MOTOR CITY TO COUNTER BALANCE

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THE EXPECTED BIG BOUNCE

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MR. TRUMP WILL GET IN THE REST

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OF THE STATE.

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IS THAT TRUE GOVERNOR?

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>> NO I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT

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ACTUALLY.

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>> MS. WHITMER BELIEVES THE

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FORMER VICE PRESIDENT HAD A

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STRONG ENOUGH CAMPAIGN ACROSS

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ALL PARTS OF THE STATE TO WIN

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WITHOUT THE EXCEPTIONAL SHOWING

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IN DETROIT BUT THE GOVERNOR DOES

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CONFESS SHE HAS A HOST OF

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CONCERNS INCLUDING A TWO OR

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THREE DAY WAIT FOR MICHIGAN TO

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DECLARE A WINNER.

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>> WELL I THINK THAT ANXIETY

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WILL BE HIGH RIGHT PEOPLE ARE

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GOING TO WANT IMMEDIATE

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GRATIFICATION.

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>> DOES SHE PONDER WHAT

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MR. TRUMP MIGHT DO IN THE

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INTERIM OF TWO OR THREE DAYS.

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>> THERE COULD BE SOME

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CHALLENGES, THERE COULD BE SOME

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DECORATIONS.

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>> ULTIMATELY SOME SAY THE

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CONTEST COULD COME DOWN TO A

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U.S. SUPREME COURT DECISION.

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RIGHT GOVERNOR.

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>> I DON'T THINK THAT IS GOING

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TO HAPPEN.

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>> A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK IT

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WILL.

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>> WELL, WE WILL SEE.

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I YOU KNOW, I HOPE THAT IT

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DOESN'T.

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>> AS FOR THE EVENTUAL OUTCOME

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WHAT ABOUT THIS QUESTION, HOW

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LATE WE GOING TO BE UP TONIGHT?

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>> LATE.

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AND EARLY TOMORROW PROBABLY.

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>> PROBABLY OR MAYBE LONGER.

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BILL YOU TAKE HER AT HER WORD

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SHE DOESN'T WANT TO GO TO D.C.?

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>> I DO.

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AS YOU PROBABLY HEARD FORMER

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GOVERNOR JIM BLANCHARD SAID LOOK

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NO CABINET APPOINTMENT IN ANY

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ADMINISTRATION REPUBLICAN OR

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DEMOCRAT IS AS GOOD AS BEING

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GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN.

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YOU DON'T HAVE THE PROMINENCE

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AND PRESTIGE AND DON'T HAVE A

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CHANCE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE LIKE

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YOU DO BEING GOVERNOR AND OF

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COURSE SHE HAS TO BE ASKED AND

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I'M NOT SURE I SEE A SKILL SET

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THAT GOVERNOR WHITMER HAS THAT

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REALLY FITS IN WITH THE BIDEN

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ADMINISTRATION, MAYBE I'M

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MISTAKEN.

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MAYBE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS

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FOR THE NATIONAL COMMITTEE BUT I

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DON'T SEE HER GOING.

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I SEE HER STAYING HERE.

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SHE IS GOING TO HAVE A TOUGH

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NEXT TWO YEARS BECAUSE

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EVERYTHING ELSE STAYED THE SAME

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THE REPUBLICANS STILL CONTROL

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BOTH HOUSES OF THE LEGISLATURE.

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>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.

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YOU LEFT OUT ONE THING ABOUT

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BEING GOVERNOR THAT LITTLE PLACE

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UP ON MACKINAC ISLAND DON'T

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FORGET THAT BILLY AND WHY DIDN'T

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THE DEMOCRATS WIN THE MICHIGAN

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HOUSE?

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>> THE MAPS WERE STILL VERY

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TOUGH FOR THEM.

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AT THE END OF THE DAY, AND LIKE

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I SAID EARLIER ABOUT THE THEY

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LOST THE TWO SEATS IN GENESEE

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AND BAY COUNTY EVEN THOUGH THEY

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FLIPPED TWO SEATS IN THE NOVI OF

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OAKLAND COUNTY AND IN KALAMAZOO

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COUNTY.

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SO BUT THEY NEEDED TO FLIP FOUR

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SEATS IN ORDER AND KEEP ALL

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THEIR EXISTING SEATS SO THE

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THINGS JUST KIND OF WENT WRONG

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WITH THEM.

517
00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:31,933
ALSO SOME MESSAGING IN SOME OF

518
00:17:31,933 --> 00:17:34,066
THE RACES THEY SORT OF

519
00:17:34,066 --> 00:17:37,200
NATIONALIZED THE RACES IN SOME

520
00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,733
OUT STATE COUNTIES.

521
00:17:38,733 --> 00:17:41,500
AND THAT WAS NOT THE MESSAGE

522
00:17:41,500 --> 00:17:43,066
THAT THE VOTERS THERE WANTED AND

523
00:17:43,066 --> 00:17:45,900
ALSO YOU HAVE TO FACTOR IN THE

524
00:17:45,900 --> 00:17:47,300
TRUMP FACTOR THAT YOU KNOW IT

525
00:17:47,300 --> 00:17:49,633
WAS THERE MAY HAVE BEEN HIDDEN

526
00:17:49,633 --> 00:17:51,000
TRUMP VOTE THAT WAS NOT

527
00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,700
ADMITTING TO POLLSTERS.

528
00:17:52,700 --> 00:17:54,266
REPUBLICANS HAD A HARD TIME

529
00:17:54,266 --> 00:17:55,800
POLLING THEIR OWN PEOPLE AND

530
00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,000
POLLSTERS IN GENERAL HAD A HARD

531
00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,466
TIME POLLING REPUBLICANS.

532
00:17:58,466 --> 00:18:00,266
SO AND THEN YOU KNOW JUST GO

533
00:18:00,266 --> 00:18:01,866
BACK TO THE OTHER DYNAMICS OF

534
00:18:01,866 --> 00:18:04,666
THE RACE AND TALK ABOUT SEVERAL

535
00:18:04,666 --> 00:18:06,266
HUNDRED THOUSAND NEW VOTES THAT

536
00:18:06,266 --> 00:18:08,266
DONALD TRUMP PRODUCED MAY HAVE

537
00:18:08,266 --> 00:18:09,666
HAD A DOWN BALLOT EFFECT IN SOME

538
00:18:09,666 --> 00:18:11,466
OF THOSE STATE HOUSE RACES TO

539
00:18:11,466 --> 00:18:14,533
HELP KEEP THOSE REPUBLICANS IN

540
00:18:14,533 --> 00:18:14,833
POWER.

541
00:18:14,833 --> 00:18:16,633
ONE LAST POINT TOO ABOUT THE

542
00:18:16,633 --> 00:18:18,533
GOVERNOR AND WHETHER SHE GOES TO

543
00:18:18,533 --> 00:18:20,100
THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

544
00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:21,200
I HAVE BEEN VERY SKEPTICAL OF

545
00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,133
THIS FROM THE START.

546
00:18:23,133 --> 00:18:26,600
AND JUST FROM THE LINES OF JIM

547
00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:27,766
BLANCHARD THINKING WHAT IS THERE

548
00:18:27,766 --> 00:18:28,700
FOR HER THERE.

549
00:18:28,700 --> 00:18:30,300
SHE HAS GOT A LOT OF YEARS

550
00:18:30,300 --> 00:18:31,166
AHEAD.

551
00:18:31,166 --> 00:18:33,866
NO OFFENSE TO MEMBERS OF

552
00:18:33,866 --> 00:18:35,266
CABINETS OF PREVIOUS

553
00:18:35,266 --> 00:18:36,300
ADMINISTRATIONS BUT THEY ARE

554
00:18:36,300 --> 00:18:38,766
TYPICALLY OLDER GOVERNORS,

555
00:18:38,766 --> 00:18:40,400
TERMED OUT GOVERNORS FOLKS WHO

556
00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,000
ARE IN THEIR 60s KIND OF THE

557
00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:47,000
LAST HARAH THAT IS NOT WHERE

558
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,166
GRETCHEN IS IN HER CAREER.

559
00:18:49,166 --> 00:18:50,600
SHE IS ON THE TOP OF GOVERNORS

560
00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,066
THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THE

561
00:18:54,066 --> 00:18:56,666
CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC AND HER

562
00:18:56,666 --> 00:18:58,533
LEADERSHIP ON THAT AND FEUDING

563
00:18:58,533 --> 00:18:59,600
WITH TRUMP.

564
00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,366
AND TRUMP REALLY IS ACTUALLY

565
00:19:01,366 --> 00:19:03,433
VERY RESPONSIBLE FOR HELPING

566
00:19:03,433 --> 00:19:05,566
BOOST GRETCHEN WHITMER'S

567
00:19:05,566 --> 00:19:05,900
PROFILE.

568
00:19:05,900 --> 00:19:08,500
I MEAN THOSE -- THAT ONE FROM

569
00:19:08,500 --> 00:19:10,166
MICHIGAN T-SHIRTS ARE ALL OVER

570
00:19:10,166 --> 00:19:11,666
THE STATE NOW.

571
00:19:11,666 --> 00:19:12,766
THANKS TO DONALD TRUMP.

572
00:19:12,766 --> 00:19:15,333
AND SO SHE HAS GOT A LOT MORE

573
00:19:15,333 --> 00:19:17,900
YEARS AHEAD AND IF YOU WANT TO

574
00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:19,633
WIN REELECTION YOU GOT TO STAY

575
00:19:19,633 --> 00:19:21,633
HERE OBVIOUSLY AND YOU GOT TO GO

576
00:19:21,633 --> 00:19:24,033
FOR IT AND IF YOU WANT TO PLAY

577
00:19:24,033 --> 00:19:25,666
AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL AND BE IN

578
00:19:25,666 --> 00:19:28,233
THE CONVERSATION FOR RUNNING FOR

579
00:19:28,233 --> 00:19:30,333
PRESIDENT IN FUTURE YEARS YOU

580
00:19:30,333 --> 00:19:33,666
GOT TO STAY AND TOUGH IT OUT

581
00:19:33,666 --> 00:19:34,766
ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW WITH THE

582
00:19:34,766 --> 00:19:35,900
PANDEMIC IT'S GOING TO BE A

583
00:19:35,900 --> 00:19:39,466
TOUGH 2021 IN MICHIGAN.

584
00:19:39,466 --> 00:19:42,800
>> ALL RIGHT SO KATHY GO AHEAD.

585
00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,566
>> ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT WITH

586
00:19:44,566 --> 00:19:48,100
GOVERNOR WHITMER SHE IS MORE

587
00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:50,533
USEFUL TO JOE BIDEN IN MICHIGAN

588
00:19:50,533 --> 00:19:51,800
THAN SHE IS IN WASHINGTON.

589
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,600
SHE WILL CONTINUE TO CHAMPION

590
00:19:54,600 --> 00:20:00,066
HIS POLICIES AND CONTINUE TO

591
00:20:00,066 --> 00:20:02,900
GIVE SUPPORT TO THE PRESIDENT

592
00:20:02,900 --> 00:20:05,066
AND WHOEVER WELL IF MR. BIDEN

593
00:20:05,066 --> 00:20:08,933
WINS WE STILL DON'T KNOW SO SHE

594
00:20:08,933 --> 00:20:10,600
IS MORE USEFUL HERE IN MICHIGAN.

595
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,333
AND ALSO AS CHAD POINTED OUT THE

596
00:20:13,333 --> 00:20:16,166
CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC IT'S REALLY

597
00:20:16,166 --> 00:20:19,666
STARTING TO EXPLODE IN MICHIGAN

598
00:20:19,666 --> 00:20:21,766
AND 5700 MORE NEW CASES

599
00:20:21,766 --> 00:20:22,966
YESTERDAY AND I THINK THAT IS

600
00:20:22,966 --> 00:20:24,400
ONE OF THE HIGHEST NUMBERS THAT

601
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,366
IT HAS BEEN SINCE IT GOT HERE.

602
00:20:26,366 --> 00:20:29,200
AND SHE STILL IS DEALING WITH

603
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:29,700
THAT.

604
00:20:29,700 --> 00:20:30,900
AND LEAVING IN THE MIDDLE OF

605
00:20:30,900 --> 00:20:32,900
THAT I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S

606
00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:34,533
SOMETHING THAT SHE WOULD CHOOSE

607
00:20:34,533 --> 00:20:36,733
TO DO.

608
00:20:36,733 --> 00:20:38,400
>> SHE BASICALLY SAID.

609
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:39,666
>> LET ME ADD THAT THE HOUSE

610
00:20:39,666 --> 00:20:41,233
REPUBLICANS I THINK DESERVE MORE

611
00:20:41,233 --> 00:20:42,433
CREDIT THAN THEY HAVE BEEN

612
00:20:42,433 --> 00:20:43,166
GETTING.

613
00:20:43,166 --> 00:20:44,800
THEY WERE SWIMMING UP STREAM

614
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,033
MOST OF THE YEAR PLAYING

615
00:20:46,033 --> 00:20:47,600
DEFENSE.

616
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,500
KNEW THEY WERE IN TROUBLE, MAYBE

617
00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:51,766
COULD LOSE CONTROL OF THE HOUSE.

618
00:20:51,766 --> 00:20:54,000
AND THEY ACTUALLY HAD BETTER

619
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,266
CANDIDATES WITH A LOT MORE

620
00:20:55,266 --> 00:20:56,700
MONEY, THEY WERE BETTER

621
00:20:56,700 --> 00:20:57,633
ORGANIZED.

622
00:20:57,633 --> 00:20:59,433
DEMOCRATS REALLY UNDER PERFORMED

623
00:20:59,433 --> 00:21:00,766
FOR THE STATE HOUSE.

624
00:21:00,766 --> 00:21:03,766
AND IT'S KIND OF ASTOUNDING THAT

625
00:21:03,766 --> 00:21:05,366
IT ENDED UP A DEAD HEAT WITH

626
00:21:05,366 --> 00:21:07,566
EACH SIDE WINNING TWO SEATS, A

627
00:21:07,566 --> 00:21:11,433
STALEMATE, SAME MARGIN 58-52

628
00:21:11,433 --> 00:21:12,833
GOING IN THE ELECTION THAT WAS A

629
00:21:12,833 --> 00:21:13,866
HUGE WIN FOR THE REPUBLICAN

630
00:21:13,866 --> 00:21:16,500
PARTY IN MICHIGAN.

631
00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:18,566
>> SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO ME GO

632
00:21:18,566 --> 00:21:18,933
AHEAD.

633
00:21:18,933 --> 00:21:20,600
>> LET ME JUST POINT OUT I LIVE

634
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,566
IN RYAN BURMAN'S DISTRICT AND

635
00:21:24,566 --> 00:21:26,333
THERE WAS SO MUCH MONEY PUMPED

636
00:21:26,333 --> 00:21:29,900
IN BY REPUBLICANS, BY THE STATE

637
00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:32,600
PARTY, THE HOUSE CAMPAIGN

638
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:33,800
COMMITTEE.

639
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,666
I CHECKED MY MAIL YESTERDAY AND

640
00:21:35,666 --> 00:21:37,600
I HAD NINE MORE PIECES OF

641
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,600
LITERATURE FROM RYAN BURMAN JUST

642
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,233
IN THE LAST THREE DAYS OF THE

643
00:21:43,233 --> 00:21:43,733
ELECTION.

644
00:21:43,733 --> 00:21:46,100
I GOT MORE THAN 30 pIECES OF LIT

645
00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:48,266
IN THAT ONE AND THE NUMBER OF

646
00:21:48,266 --> 00:21:50,033
COMMERCIALS ON TV BOTH SIDES FOR

647
00:21:50,033 --> 00:21:55,033
THAT WAS ASTOUNDING, REALLY

648
00:21:55,033 --> 00:21:56,933
ASTOUNDING SO REPUBLICANS WORKED

649
00:21:56,933 --> 00:21:58,266
REALLY HARD TO KEEP THAT SEAT.

650
00:21:58,266 --> 00:22:01,133
>> CHAD QUICKLY TELL ME WHY GARY

651
00:22:01,133 --> 00:22:04,333
PETERS DID NOT BEAT JOHN JAMES

652
00:22:04,333 --> 00:22:07,100
BY A WIDER MARGIN WHY WAS IT SO

653
00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:07,800
CLOSE?

654
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,766
>> JOHN JAMES TRIED TO SEPARATE

655
00:22:09,766 --> 00:22:10,500
HIMSELF FROM THE PRESIDENT IN

656
00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:12,200
THE FINAL DAYS AND APPEAL TO

657
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,300
REPUBLICANS WHO WERE GOING INTO

658
00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:16,666
THE BALLOT BOX TO VOTE DONALD

659
00:22:16,666 --> 00:22:17,666
TRUMP OUT OF OFFICE.

660
00:22:17,666 --> 00:22:19,733
AND NOT A LOT OF THEM BUT THERE

661
00:22:19,733 --> 00:22:20,800
WAS ENOUGH THAT IT WAS GOING TO

662
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,700
MAKE IT IN A TIGHT RACE IT WAS

663
00:22:22,700 --> 00:22:24,166
GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

664
00:22:24,166 --> 00:22:26,566
AND I THINK JOHN JAMES YOU KNOW

665
00:22:26,566 --> 00:22:28,200
KIND OF PICKED UP A LOT OF VOTES

666
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,000
ALONG THE WAY.

667
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,966
JOHN JAMES WE SHOULD ALSO NOTE I

668
00:22:30,966 --> 00:22:34,400
MEAN EVEN HE DID NOT THEORY HE

669
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,066
WOULD GET A LOT OF BLACK VOTES

670
00:22:37,066 --> 00:22:39,866
OUT OF DETROIT AND SUBURBAN

671
00:22:39,866 --> 00:22:41,766
DETROIT DID NOT SEEM TO

672
00:22:41,766 --> 00:22:44,800
MATERIALIZE AS OF YESTERDAY HE

673
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,666
ON-JAMES WHO EMPLOYS TWO OR

674
00:22:46,666 --> 00:22:48,600
THREE HUNDRED PEOPLE IN DETROIT

675
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,933
AND LEGIT BUSINESS HE WON 80

676
00:22:51,933 --> 00:22:53,133
MORE VOTES THAN DONALD TRUMP IN

677
00:22:53,133 --> 00:22:55,966
THE CITY OF DETROIT SO ANY

678
00:22:55,966 --> 00:22:58,900
THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO WORK

679
00:22:58,900 --> 00:23:01,366
AND FLIP DEMOCRATIC BLACK

680
00:23:01,366 --> 00:23:03,000
DETROITERS TO GET THEM TO SPLIT

681
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,633
THEIR TICKET JUST WAS KIND OF A

682
00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:07,166
FALLACY AT THE END OF THE DAY.

683
00:23:07,166 --> 00:23:09,966
>> BILL, YOUR TAKE ON THAT DOES

684
00:23:09,966 --> 00:23:11,533
JOHN JAMES HAVE A POLITICAL

685
00:23:11,533 --> 00:23:12,566
FUTURE IN MICHIGAN?

686
00:23:12,566 --> 00:23:14,266
>> IT'S HARD TO SAY.

687
00:23:14,266 --> 00:23:17,066
THE OLD PHRASE TWO TIME LOSER IS

688
00:23:17,066 --> 00:23:20,000
A REAL BUG A BOO WITH

689
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,066
POLITICIANS I MEAN HE HAS AIMED

690
00:23:22,066 --> 00:23:24,500
HIGH AND RUN FOR THE U.S. SENATE

691
00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:26,700
TWICE AND TWO INCUMBENTS COME UP

692
00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:27,700
SHORT EACH TIME.

693
00:23:27,700 --> 00:23:28,966
EVEN THOUGH HE MADE IT VERY

694
00:23:28,966 --> 00:23:30,700
CLOSE THIS TIME.

695
00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:33,066
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU KNOW HE COULD

696
00:23:33,066 --> 00:23:34,500
SOMEWHERE HAVE A FUTURE BUT HE

697
00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:36,366
IS REALLY KIND OF RUN OUT OF GAS

698
00:23:36,366 --> 00:23:38,833
IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE IN TERMS

699
00:23:38,833 --> 00:23:40,900
OF WHAT WOULD APPEAL TO HIM THAT

700
00:23:40,900 --> 00:23:42,533
HE COULD RUN FOR UNLESS

701
00:23:42,533 --> 00:23:45,066
SOMETHING OPENS UP UNEXPECTEDLY.

702
00:23:45,066 --> 00:23:47,133
AND IF HE LOSES A THIRD TIME

703
00:23:47,133 --> 00:23:49,466
THEN I THINK HE IS TOAST.

704
00:23:49,466 --> 00:23:51,333
>> HOW ABOUT JOHN JAMES FOR

705
00:23:51,333 --> 00:23:53,500
GOVERNOR?

706
00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:56,533
>> WELL, I MEAN IT'S POSSIBLE.

707
00:23:56,533 --> 00:23:57,833
>> I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.

708
00:23:57,833 --> 00:23:59,866
I SEE SOMETHING MORE LIKE

709
00:23:59,866 --> 00:24:02,400
PERHAPS PARTY CHAIRPERSON OR I

710
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:03,433
THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE A

711
00:24:03,433 --> 00:24:06,366
PLACE NATIONALLY FOR HIM.

712
00:24:06,366 --> 00:24:07,700
ON CABLE NEWS.

713
00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:10,566
SO THERE IS CERTAINLY A FUTURE

714
00:24:10,566 --> 00:24:12,733
FOR HIM, BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT

715
00:24:12,733 --> 00:24:14,633
STATEWIDE OFFICE.

716
00:24:14,633 --> 00:24:18,666
>> CHAD, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

717
00:24:18,666 --> 00:24:19,766
>> I'M WITH BILL.

718
00:24:19,766 --> 00:24:21,700
IT'S HARD TO TELL RIGHT NOW.

719
00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:25,166
I MEAN HE COULD HAVE TWO YEARS

720
00:24:25,166 --> 00:24:28,133
AGO HE COULD HAVE RAN IN THE

721
00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:29,133
11TH DIRECT AND BEEN

722
00:24:29,133 --> 00:24:29,633
CONGRESSMAN.

723
00:24:29,633 --> 00:24:31,700
I MEAN HE WOULD HAVE BEEN

724
00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:34,600
FORMIDABLE IN THAT DISTRICT IN

725
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,700
BEING FROM FARMINGTON HILLS BUT

726
00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:40,300
YOU KNOW HE WENT FOR THE BIG YOU

727
00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:42,400
KNOW SEAT, TRIED TO KNOCK OFF

728
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,233
DEBBIE STABENOW THE LONGEST

729
00:24:45,233 --> 00:24:47,166
SERVING POLITICIANS IN MICHIGAN

730
00:24:47,166 --> 00:24:50,466
HISTORY AND YOU KNOW HE CAME

731
00:24:50,466 --> 00:24:51,900
THREE OR FOUR POINTS AND THOUGHT

732
00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:53,400
HE WOULD TRY AGAIN AND THEN YOU

733
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,666
KNOW HE CAME WITHIN YOU KNOW 60,

734
00:24:56,666 --> 00:24:58,300
70,000 VOTES BUT AT THE END OF

735
00:24:58,300 --> 00:25:00,333
THE DAY YOU KNOW THERE IS JUST A

736
00:25:00,333 --> 00:25:02,133
NUMBERS GAME PROBLEM AND IT GOES

737
00:25:02,133 --> 00:25:03,433
BACK TO MY EARLIER POINT THAT

738
00:25:03,433 --> 00:25:04,700
REPUBLICANS ARE HAVING A HARD

739
00:25:04,700 --> 00:25:07,100
TIME WINNING STATEWIDE RACES AND

740
00:25:07,100 --> 00:25:08,766
SO FOR HIM TO TRY FOR A THIRD

741
00:25:08,766 --> 00:25:11,366
TIME UNLESS HE CHANGES HIS

742
00:25:11,366 --> 00:25:14,133
MESSAGE AND GETS A MESSAGE, I

743
00:25:14,133 --> 00:25:15,533
MEAN HE COULD NOT ANSWER

744
00:25:15,533 --> 00:25:16,666
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE

745
00:25:16,666 --> 00:25:18,266
CARE ACT AND THE POLLING SHOWED

746
00:25:18,266 --> 00:25:21,200
THAT BY A 3 TO 1 MARGIN VOTERS

747
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,400
WERE MORE MOTIVATED ABOUT THE

748
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,433
FUTURE OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE

749
00:25:25,433 --> 00:25:27,133
ACT THAN ABORTION IN THIS

750
00:25:27,133 --> 00:25:28,966
ELECTION AND THAT IS A CRUCIAL

751
00:25:28,966 --> 00:25:30,866
ISSUE THAT IS ANY REPUBLICAN IS

752
00:25:30,866 --> 00:25:32,333
GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN

753
00:25:32,333 --> 00:25:33,933
TALKING ABOUT HEALTHCARE.

754
00:25:33,933 --> 00:25:36,333
HECK YESTERDAY HOUSE SPEAKER

755
00:25:36,333 --> 00:25:39,266
ELECT JAESEAN WENT WORTH IN

756
00:25:39,266 --> 00:25:41,233
OPENING REMARKS TALKED HOW THEY

757
00:25:41,233 --> 00:25:42,400
WANTED TO WORK ON ACCESS TO

758
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:43,366
HEALTHCARE.

759
00:25:43,366 --> 00:25:45,233
THAT WAS OPENING MESSAGING SO

760
00:25:45,233 --> 00:25:46,600
REPUBLICANS ARE ALREADY READING

761
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,400
THE RESULTS HERE AND REALIZING

762
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:49,733
THEY HAVE TO COME UP WITH

763
00:25:49,733 --> 00:25:51,333
SOMETHING ON HEALTHCARE OR THEY

764
00:25:51,333 --> 00:25:52,633
ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE THE PARTY

765
00:25:52,633 --> 00:25:55,066
OF NO DURING A PANDEMIC.

766
00:25:55,066 --> 00:25:57,600
>> ALL RIGHT FINAL STATEMENT THE

767
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:58,833
SLEEPER STORY OF ELECTION WAS

768
00:25:58,833 --> 00:25:59,933
THE DEMOCRATS TAKING CONTROL OF

769
00:25:59,933 --> 00:26:01,300
THE STATE SUPREME COURT.

770
00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:04,000
SO THE PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT

771
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,366
GOVERNOR WHITMER ARE CRYING IN

772
00:26:05,366 --> 00:26:07,200
THEIR BEER BECAUSE THEY HAVE A

773
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,700
REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE NOW SHE

774
00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:10,366
HAS A DEMOCRAT SUPREME COURT

775
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WHICH AIN'T ALL THAT BAD, THANKS

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TO ALL THREE OF YOU KATHY.

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>> THE BIGGEST TRIUMPH FOR THE

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DEMOCRATS IN THIS ELECTION

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GETTING CONTROL OF THE SUPREME

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COURT ON ELECTION BASIS NOT

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THROUGH APPOINTMENT FOR THE

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FIRST TIME IN OVER TWO DECADES.

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>> ENGLER COURT IS DEAD.

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I GUESS.

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PRODUCTION OF OFF THE RECORD IS

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MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY THE

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FOLLOWING BUSINESS LEADERS FOR

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MICHIGAN HAS A STRATEGIC PLAN TO

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MAKE MICHIGAN A TOP TEN STATE IN

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THE NATION FOR JOBS, PERSONAL

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INCOME AND A HEALTHY ECONOMY

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LEARN MORE AT MICHIGAN'S ROAD TO

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TOP TEN.COM.

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FOR MORE OFF THE RECORD VISIT

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WKAR.ORG.

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MICHIGAN PUBLIC TELEVISION

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STATIONS HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE

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PRODUCTION COSTS OF OFF THE

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RECORD WITH TIM SKUBICK.

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