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>> WELCOME BACK.


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"OFF THE RECORD" STARTS


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HAVE RICK PLU TAF AND CHAD


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LIVENGOOD ALONG WITH PAUL EGAN.


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HERE IS THE RUN DOWN, RIGHT TO


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WORK IS MOVING AND THE GOVERNOR


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SO ON BOARD.


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LATER ON, SCOTT HAGERSTROM FROM


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THE MICHIGAN CHAPTER OF


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AMERICANS FOR PROSPERITY WILL BE


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ON BOARD.


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ALL THIS AND MORE COMING UP


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RIGHT NOW, "OFF THE RECORD."


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>> NOW THIS EDITION OF "OFF THE


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RECORD" WITH TIM SKUBICK.


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>> Tim: THANKS.


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WELCOME TO THIS EDITION, RIGHT


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TO WORK, HERE IS WHAT WAS GOING


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ON IN OUR TOWN YESTERDAY.


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>> THE GOVERNOR CONCLUDED THE


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ISSUE WOULD NOT GO AWAY SO WHY


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NOT CONFRONT IT.


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>> THIS IS ABOUT TAKING CARE OF


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HARD WORKING PEOPLE OF MICHIGAN


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ABOUT HOW THEY FREELY WHO THEY


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ASSOCIATE WITH.


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I DON'T VIEW THIS AS AGAINST THE


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UNIONS.


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>> TELL THAT TO THESE


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DEMONSTRATORS.


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MANY HE CONTENDS HE IS NOT UNION


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BUSTING.


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>> THAT IS NOT THE GOAL.


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THIS IS ABOUT THE WORKERS.


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>> TELL THAT TO PRESIDENT BOB


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KING.


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>> THE RIGHT WING FORCES IN


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MICHIGAN, THEY ARE TRYING TO


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TAKE POWER AWAY FROM WORKING


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FAMILIES.


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THEY WANT WORKING FAMILIES THAT


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HAVE LOWER INCOME AND LESS


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SECURITY.


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THIS IS ABOUT PARTISANSHIP AND


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NOT ABOUT BRINGING THE STATES


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TOGETHER.


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>> MEANWHILE, THE STATE


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DEMOCRATIC LEADER WANTS TO


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WITHHOLD FEDERAL DOLLARS FOR THE


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BRIDGE AND MASS TRANSIT PROJECT


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IN DETROIT IF THE GOVERNOR SIGNS


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THE BILL.


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>> WE ARE REACHING OUT.


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WE ARE HOPING WHEN PRESIDENT


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OBAMA COMES TO MICHIGAN THIS


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WILL BE ON HIS RADAR SCREEN.


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HE IS GOING TO SAY MICHIGAN


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DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE


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MIDDLE-CLASS, WHY SHOULD WE BE


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BENDING OVER BACKWARDS TO MAKE


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SURE THE GOVERNOR IS ABLE TO


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DELIVER ON HIS PROMISES.


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>>> LET'S BEGIN WITH THIS STORY.


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WHY DID THE GOVERNOR DO WHAT HE


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DID?


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>> THERE WAS A LOT OF PRESSURE


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FROM CONSERVATIVE ACTIVISTS,


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BUSINESS GROUPS AND MEMBERS OF


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HIS OWN PARTY.


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HE SAID, LET'S NOT THIS LINGER


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ON FOR TOO MUCH LONGER.


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LET'S DO THIS NOW.


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>> IT SEEMS LIKE HE RECOGNIZED


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THIS HAD REACHED CRITICAL MASS.


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HE WAS GOING TO BE FACED WITH A


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PRETTY STARK CHOICE, EITHER


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SIGNING OR VOTING A BILL SO STEP


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IN AND GET THE BEST HE COULD AND


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MAKE A DECISION.


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>> Tim: WHAT DEAL DID HE GET?


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>> HE WANTED COOPERATION WITH


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REPUBLICANS FOR THE


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TRANSPORTATION.


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>> HE SAYS HE IS NOT A HORSE


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TRADER.


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I'M ON THE RECORD, I AM NOT A


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HORSE TRADER?


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>> HE THOUGHT HE WAS NEGOTIATING


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WITH THE UNIONS ON THIS.


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ALTHOUGH AGAIN, IT'S NOT


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ENTIRELY CLEAR WHAT THEY CAN


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CONCEIVABLY GIVEN UP.


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HE SAID YESTERDAY THERE IS


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SOMETHING THAT UNIONS COULD HAVE


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POUT TABLE THAT COULD HAVE


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STOPPED THIS.


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>> THE UNIONS SAID THEY PUT ON


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THE TABLE EVERYTHING THEY COULD.


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WHEN THEY PUT IT ON TABLE, IF


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YOU DON'T LIKE IT TELL US WHAT


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YOU WANT.


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THEY NEVER GOT A RESPONSE BACK


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FROM THE GOVERNOR.


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TAKE THIS TO RICHARDVILLE AND


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NEVER GOT BEYOND IT?


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>> WE'RE HEARING CONFLICTING


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STORIES, HOW THE NEGOTIATIONS


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TRANSPIRED THAT THE UNIONS


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DIDN'T COME ACROSS.


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THEY DIDN'T COME ACROSS WITH


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ENOUGH.


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UNIONS SAYING WHAT DO YOU WANT.


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THEY KNEW THE DAY AFTER THE


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NOVEMBER ELECTION THEY WERE


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GOING TO HAVE TO START TRADING


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STUFF.


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THEY WERE GOING TO AVOID THIS.


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>> SNYDER NEEDED BIPARTISAN


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SUPPORT WAS REGIONAL TRANSIT


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AUTHORITY.


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HE COULD DO EVERYTHING ELSE JUST


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WITH REPUBLICANS.


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IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THERE WAS


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MUCH LEFT.


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>> Tim: AS I ASKED, WHY DID IT


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TAKE THREE YEARS TO GET HERE?


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>> THERE IS TWO SCHOOLS OF


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THOUGHT ON THAT.


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THE CYNICAL VIEW THIS IS


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SOMETHING THAT HE WAS OKAY WITH


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AND HE PLAYED DOWN THE SUPPORT.


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>> BUT THERE IS A VIDEO FROM THE


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CAMPAIGN WHERE CANDIDATE SNYDER


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SAID THAT IF IT WAS PUT IN FRONT


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OF HIM HE WOULD SIGN IT.


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>> RIGHT.


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>> SO THERE IS THAT SCHOOL OF


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THOUGHT.


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>> AND THE OTHER VIEW IS WHAT


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THE GOVERNOR SAYS HIMSELF IS


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THAT HE FELT THERE WERE OTHER


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PRIORITIES EVEN AS RECENTLY


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YESTERDAY, HE SAID IF IT WAS


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TOTALLY UP TO HIM HE WOULDN'T


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BRING IT UP AT THIS TIME.


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IF IT CAME TO BE AN ISSUE, IT


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WAS PUT ON THE TABLE WHETHER HE


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WANTED IT OR NOT.


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HE TOOK A POSITION HE DOES


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BELIEVE IN THERE SHOULD BE


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FREEDOM FOR PEOPLE TO CHOOSE.


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>> I GOT THIS STORY ABSOLUTELY


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WRONG.


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I READ THIS GUY THE WRONG WAY.


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I THOUGHT HE WAS BUYING TIME TO


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WAIT THIS OUT.


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THE LONGER WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT


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I DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.


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WHEN HE SAID IT'S NOW NOT ON MY


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AGENDA, I SAID HERE IT GOES.


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I GOT THAT WRONG.


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>> YOU WEREN'T ALONE IN THAT.


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YOU WEREN'T ALONE IN THAT.


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THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE


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WONDERING IF THIS WAS TAP DANCE


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TO GET ALL THE WAY THROUGH LAME


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DUCK AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS OR IF


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THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE GOING


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ON.


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AND WAS THIS JUST A CHANCE TO


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MAKE LABOR TWIST IN THE BREEZE


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FOR HAVING PUSHED PROPOSAL 2.


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>> HE'S NOT A VINDICTIVE GUY?


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>> HE IS NOT, BUT LIKE WHAT


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HAPPENED TODAY HAS NOTHING TO DO


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WITH WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY.


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HE SAID HE WARNED THEM IF THEY


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WENT AHEAD WITH PROPOSAL 2, TO


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COME UP AND IT MIGHT BE RIGHT TO


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WORK.


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IN FACT THAT IS WHAT HE SAID.


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HE WAS NOT WRONG.


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>> THE GOVERNOR SAID LOOK AT THE


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POLITICAL REALITY.


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THERE IS NO BETTER TIME FOR ME


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STRATEGIC STANDPOINT THAN TO DO


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THIS IN LAME DUCK AND DO IT WITH


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A 64-MEMBER MAJORITY AND GO TO


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59 AND SIX REPUBLICANS IN THE


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HOUSE THAT VOTED AGAINST IT.


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THOSE SIX WOULD VOTE IT AGAINST


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IT NEXT MONTH.


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THEN IT WOULD BE THREE VOTES.


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THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PASS


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THE BILL NEXT SESSION.


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>> ONE OF THE REASONS IT WAS


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INTENSE THEY SAW THIS AS LAST


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MOMENT TO GET THIS DONE.


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ALL THE PEOPLE RETIRING GOING


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OUT THE DOOR WHO COULD CAST THE


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VOTE.


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>> THAT IS WHY IT IS INTERESTING


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IN TERMS OF THE ARGUMENTS.


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IT'S HARD TO ARGUMENT AGAINST


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FREEDOM OF CHOICE AND GOVERNMENT


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MAKES THE ARGUMENT WELL.


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UNIONS HAVE TO MAKE A BETTER


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CASE THEY ARE DOING A GOOD JOB


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AND LET PEOPLE DECIDE ON MERITS.


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SOME MIGHT ASK SHOULDN'T THE


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SAME ARGUMENT APPLY TO THE


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LEGISLATION.


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IF THESE BILLS ARE SO GOOD, WHY


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NOT GIVE THE PUBLIC A CHANCE TO


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REALLY HAVE A LOOK AT THEM.


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WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE DONE SO


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QUICKLY AND GAVE THE POLITICAL


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ANSWER.


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>> MORE BOLGER SAYS THIS IS NOT


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A NEW ISSUE.


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I BROUGHT IT UP TWO YEARS AGO.


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IT'S BEEN ON THE TABLE.


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>> WHY DO WE HOLD HEARINGS AT


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ALL?


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>> Tim: THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.


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IF YOU GOT THE VOTES YOU RUN THE


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STUFF.


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WOULD THE HEARINGS HAVE MADE ANY


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DIFFERENCE IN THIS DEBATE?


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>> NO, IT WOULD HAVE DRAGGED IT


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ON FOR A COUPLE MORE DAYS.


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IT COULD HAVE MADE A COUPLE


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HOUSE REPUBLICANS A LITTLE MORE


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SKITTISH ABOUT VOTING FOR IT.


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>> I THINK HEARINGS WHERE PEOPLE


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ARE MAKING ARGUMENTS TRYING TO


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FIND SOMETHING NEW, IT COULD


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CONCEIVABLY DELAYED THIS INTO


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THE NEXT SESSION.


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>> Tim: WHAT IS NEXT FOR LABOR?


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WHAT DO THEY DO?


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>> REMEMBER FOR A LONG TIME.


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>> ARE THEY GOING TO SHOW UP


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AGAIN... WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO


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DO?


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>> WHAT THEY DID THIS WEEK TIMES


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TWO.


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YEAH, THERE IS 2,000 TO 3,000


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PEOPLE THERE WILL BE DOUBLE THAT


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ON TUESDAY.


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>>> WE ASSUME THEY LOSE, DO THEY


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DO RECALLS OR PETITION DRIVE OR


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WAIT FOR THE NEXT ELECTION


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CYCLE?


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>> THEY SAY A RECALL OF GOVERNOR


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SNYDER IS PROBABLY IMPRACTICAL.


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>> THEY CAN TAKE LAWMAKERS ONE


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BY ONE DOWN IF THEY WANT TO.


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>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS


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BEEN PUT OUT THERE, RIGHT NOW


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WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MARGIN IN


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THE NEXT LEGISLATURE THAT THE


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PROSPECTS FOR THE DEMOCRATS


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TAKING CONTROL OF THE HOUSE OR


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SENATE APPEAR PRETTY DIM, BUT IF


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YOU CAN FIND A COUPLE VULNERABLE


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REPUBLICANS ESPECIALLY IN THE


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SENATE AND DO A REPEAT OF THE


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1982 RECALLS THEN ALL OF A


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SUDDEN THINGS THAT SEEM TO BE


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REALLY CHALLENGING IN 2014 LOOK


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WITHIN REACH.


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>> THE OTHER ISSUE THAT HURT


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SOMEBODY RIGHT NOW IS LABOR IS


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ON ITS HEELS.


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THEY SPENT MILLIONS ON PROPOSAL


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2 AND LOST.


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THERE ARE UNION MEMBERS THAT ARE


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QUESTIONING THE DECISION TO GO


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AHEAD WITH PROPOSAL 2.


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THEY ARE QUESTIONING WHAT WAS


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THE POINT OF NEGOTIATIONS.


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THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE LAST


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COUPLE OF WEEKS WHERE EVERYBODY


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WAS TOLD TO KEEP THEIR HEADS


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DOWN AND KEEP QUIET.


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NOW, THEY GOT WHAT THEY FEARED.


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IT'S NOT IN THE BEST POSITION TO


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FIGHT A BATTLE AGAINST STATE


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LAWMAKERS.


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>> ONE THING THEY DO A BALLOT


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INITIATIVE OF LAW AT 8% OF THE


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VOTE TO GATHER SIGNATURES


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BECAUSE THIS RIGHT TO WORK BILL.


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>> WILL BE A REFERENDUM.


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>> BUT THAT IS NOT OUT OF THE


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REALM OF POSSIBILITIES BUT THEY


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WOULD HAVE TO PUT AN INITIATIVE


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ON THE BALLOT THAT WOULD NEED A


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YES VOTE.


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REFERENDUM THEY COULD PUT THIS


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LAW ON THE BALLOTED AND GET YOU


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TO VOTE NO.


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>>> LET'S EXTEND THIS.


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RIGHT TO WORK STATE OR NOT RIGHT


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TO WORK STATE.


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MICHIGAN IS POSTER CHILD OF THE


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LABOR MOVEMENT.


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IT WAS BORN HERE.


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IF THEY CAN DO IT IN MICHIGAN,


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CAN'T THEY DO IT IN KANSAS?


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IN MISSOURI?


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IT'S A NATIONAL MOVEMENT NOW


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BECAUSE IT HAPPENED IN MICHIGAN.


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>> THE SYMBOLIC VALUE IS LARGE


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NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THAT BECAUSE


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IT WILL BE 24th STATE.


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THAT PUTS THE RIGHT TO WORK


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MOVEMENT CLOSE TO HALFWAY.


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>> WHAT ABOUT THE WHITE HOUSE


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ANGLE, GETTING THE PRESIDENT


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INVOLVED.


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WERE YOU SURPRISED BY THAT?


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>> THE PRESIDENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN


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AGAINST RIGHT TO WORK LAWS AND


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REITERATED NOW A NEW WRINKLE THE


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DEMOCRATS LOBBYING FOR WHITE


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RAIL OF WOODROW AVENUE AND EVEN


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THE GOVERNOR'S BRIDGE.


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I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING


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THAT DEMOCRATS WOULD TRY TO


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DERAIL A PROJECT THAT WOULD PUT


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ORGANIZED LABOR TO WORK.


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>> Tim: THAT IS THE ONLY


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LEVERAGE THEY HAVE TO GET A VOTE


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OUT OF THIS GUY.


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DO WE AGREE OR NOT?


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>> HE MAY NOT WANT THE BRIDGE


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THAT BAD AT THIS POINT.


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>> Tim: THE GOVERNOR?


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>> LAST TIME I CHECKED....


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>> THE OTHER THING TO A LOT OF


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THE REPUBLICAN SUPPORTERS OF


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THIS WAS SAYING THIS REALLY


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HAPPENED INDEPENDENT OF PROPOSAL


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2.


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DO YOU BELIEVE THAT?


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>> I DON'T KNOW.


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DO BELIEVE THAT?


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>> CERTAINLY NOT FOR SOME


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PEOPLE.


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>> CLEARLY THERE IS SOME LINKAGE


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THERE.


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>> THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN


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REGARDLESS OF PROPOSAL 2.


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THAT IS WHAT THE LABOR GUYS WILL


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TELL YOU.


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IT WAS TEED UP.


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>> THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE


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LOOKING AT THIS.


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WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED


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PROPOSAL 2 BEING A SWEEPING


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VISTA OF LEGISLATIVE ACTIVITY


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REPEALING ALL KINDS OF THINGS


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HAD BEEN A SIMPLE ONE SENTENCE


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THOU SHALT NOT MESS WITH


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COLLECTIVE BARGAINING RIGHTS.


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>> OR RIGHT TO WORK.


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DON'T MESS WITH IT.


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YOU WERE GOING TO SAY, WHAT


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ABOUT THE ACTIVITY OF MORE DID


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HE VOSS AND MORE RISER?


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>> VERY QUIETLY.


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THAT DID YOU THREAT REPUBLICANS


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WITH RECALLS.


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>> I SAW YOUR COLUMN.


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IT WAS INTERESTING THAT DICK


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DEVOSS SAID HE DIDN'T THINK THE


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TIME WAS RIGHT TO WORK.


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HE IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THOSE


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THAT HAVE BEEN FUNDING THE TV


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ADS ON THIS.


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HE IS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT PUT


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THIS ISSUE IN FRONT OF THE


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GOVERNOR IN A WAY THAT MADE IT


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HARD....


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>> IT'S THE INCIDENTS BETWEEN A


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CANDIDATE AND BEING SOMEONE WHO


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IS JUST....


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>> IN FAIRNESS TO HIM BECAUSE


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PEOPLE WOULD EXPLAIN CHANGE OF


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HEART WAS PROPOSAL 2.


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THAT SAID, THAT WAS THE STRAW


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THAT BROKE MR. DE VOGS S'S BACK?


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>> THEY THOUGHT PROPOSAL 2 WAS


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REFERENDUM ON RIGHT TO WORK.


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>> EVEN THOUGH WE NEVER HAD


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DEBATE ON PROPOSAL 2 CAMPAIGN.


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>>> LET'S CALL IN SCOTT AT THIS


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POINT.


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>> SCOTT HAGERSTROM FROM THE


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MICHIGAN CHAPTER OF AMERICANS


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FOR PROSPERITY L HE SPENT 15


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YEARS IN THE PROCESS AND FIVE


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AND A HALF YEARS TO A STATE


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REPRESENTATIVE.


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HE HAS BEEN WITH THIS


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ORGANIZATION FOR THE LAST FOUR


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AND A HALF YEARS.


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>> WELCOME TO OUR PROGRAM, SIR.


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PAUL HAS THE FIRST QUESTION.


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>> WHAT STATE IS GOLD STANDARD


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IN TERMS OF PUBLIC POLICY AS YOU


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ADVANCE YOUR AGENDA, WHAT STATE


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WOULD YOU POINTED THAT YOU WOULD


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LIKE TO SEE MICHIGAN BECOME THE


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MORE LIKE?


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>> IN TERMS OF JOBS AND LIMITED


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GOVERNMENT AND ECONOMIC IT WILL


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BE, PROBABLY TEXAS IS RIGHT UP


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THERE.


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NO INCOME TAX, TRITE WORK STATE.


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THERE IS A LOT OF JOB GROWTH


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THERE.


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ANOTHER STATE WE ARE LOOKING IS


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INDIANA.


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THEY ADDED 43,000 JOBS SINCE


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PASSING.


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WE WANT AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE


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THERE IS JOBS COMING TO MICHIGAN


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AND INCOMES ARE GROWING.


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NOT THE ENVIRONMENT FROM 2001 TO


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2010 WHERE WE LOST POPULATION.


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IN 1960s WE WERE ECONOMIC


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POWERHOUSE.


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WE HAVE OVER 9% UNEMPLOYMENT.


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AND GOVERNOR AND LEGISLATIVE


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LEADERS ARE COMMITTED TO


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RETURNING MICHIGAN TO ECONOMIC


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PROMINENCE.


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WE DON'T AGREE ON EVERY ISSUE.


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I THINK THEY ARE COMMITTED TO


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THOSE VALUES.


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WE WANT TO MOVE MICHIGAN


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FORWARD.


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>> WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT


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THAT PERIOD, IT WAS A PERIOD


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WHEN THE UNION MOVEMENT WAS VERY


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STRONG.


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THAT THE CLOTHES SHOP WAS A


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REALITY IT WAS THERE -- CLOSED


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SHOP WAS A REALITY.


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HOW DOES IT HELP RESTORE IT?


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>> AS THE PROBLEM NOW.


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WE LIVE IN A WORLD ECONOMY.


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WE HAVE TO BE COMPETITIVE AND


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WE'RE LOSING JOBS AND LOSING


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POPULATION.


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ALL OF US KNOW PEOPLE THAT HAVE


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HAD TO LEAVE THE STATE OR


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CONSIDER LEAVING THE STATE FOR


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GOOD EMPLOYMENT.


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TIMES ARE CHANGING.


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>> GIVING PEOPLE NOT TO JOIN THE


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UNION WILL HAVE THEM STAY HERE?


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>> WHEN WE LOOK AT COMPANIES AND


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WHERE THEY WANT TO INVEST THEIR


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DOLLARS THEY SPECIFICALLY RULED


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OUT STATES, SINCE THE END OF THE


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RECESSION....


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>> Tim: THIS ADMINISTRATION SAYS


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THEY ARE NOT HUNTING FOR JOBS IN


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OTHER STATES.


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WHAT DO THEY THINK ABOUT


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MICHIGAN IS IRRELEVANT.


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>> I THINK THAT IS MISTAKEN.


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THEY ARE GARDENING TO GROW JOBS


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HERE AND BRING NEW JOBS AND NEW


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INVESTMENT.


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>> AND A POLICE OFFICER IN


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DETROIT OR FIREFIGHTER IN GRAND


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RAPIDS BE EXEMPTED?


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>> THERE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT


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CONSTITUTION, THEY ARE


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PROHIBITED FROM STRIKING UNDER


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PA-12.


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THEY ARE CONCERNED N WITHIN


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LEGISLATIVE CIRCLES ABOUT PA-12.


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WE CAN LIVE WITH POLICE AND FIRE


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EXCEPTIONS.


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THERE MAY BE A DUE PROCESS


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QUESTION THERE AND WE'LL SEE IF


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THERE IS A LAWSUIT.


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>> Tim: YOU HAVE BEEN CRITICAL


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OF THIS GOVERNOR.


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WHERE ARE YOU ON GOVERNOR SNYDER


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TODAY?


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>> BASED ON THE STATEMENT


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YESTERDAY, VERY, VERY PLEASED.


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WE'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE ON


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EVERY ISSUE.


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WE DON'T AGREE ON EVERY ISSUE.


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WE WANT ECONOMIC LIBERTY BUT I


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THINK ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE,


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IF I COULD HAVE TWO THINGS TO


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PUT US FORWARD ECONOMICALLY AND


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BRING JOBS, IT WOULD BE PASSING


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RIGHT TO WORK LEGISLATION AND


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EVENTUAL LIMITATION OF THE STATE


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INCOME TAX.


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WE ARE COMPETING WITH NINE


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STATES THAT HAVE NO INCOME TAX.


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>> Tim: IS THAT NEXT ON THE


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AGENDA?


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>> THAT HAS BEEN ON THE AGENDA


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FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS AND WILL


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CONTINUE TO BE.


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>> IF THE RIGHT TO WORK


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LEGISLATION IS PASSED, WHAT


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IMPACT WILL IT HAVE ON THE


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POLITICAL POWER OF THE UNIONS


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AND AS A MAJOR FUND-RAISER OF


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THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY?


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>> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.


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THERE ARE A LOT OF UNION


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PROTESTORS THERE YESTERDAY.


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THE THING FOR THEM NOTHING HAS


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TO CHANGE.


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THEY CAN CONTINUE TO BELONG TO A


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UNION AND CONTINUE TO


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COLLECTIVELY BARGAIN AND IF THEY


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MAKE A GOOD SERVICE, PEOPLE WILL


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CONTINUE TO PAY DUES AND


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CONTINUE TO HAVE THEIR INCOME


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BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO EARN THAT.


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THEY WON'T HAVE A CAPTIVE


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AUDIENCE AND REQUIRED TO PAY


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UNION DUES.


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>> DO YOU EXPECT THE LAW WILL


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HAVE AN AFFECT ON MEMBERSHIP IN


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MICHIGAN?


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>> POLLING SHOWS THAT SOME WOULD


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DROP THEIR MEMBERSHIP BUT THE


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UNIONS HAVE TAKEN FOR GRANTED


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THEIR MEMBERSHIP.


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THEY KNEW THEY WERE COLLECTING


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THE MONEY NO MATTER WHAT THEY


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DID.


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THEY WILL HAVE TO OFFER ON


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OFFERING SERVICES AND BE A GOOD


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REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WORKERS.


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IF THEY DO THAT, I DON'T THINK


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UNION MEMBERSHIP WILL DROP AT


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ALL.


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>> HOW ARE YOU PREPARED TO HELP


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REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED WITH YOU


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WHO MAY BECOME THE TARGETS OF


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POLITICAL ACTION, EITHER RECALLS


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OR MAYBE SOME AGGRESSIVE


20:45.790 --> 20:47.390
ACTIVITY IN 2014?


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>> SURE.


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WE DON'T GET INVOLVED IN


20:49.828 --> 20:50.894
ELECTIONS OR SUPPORTING


20:51.262 --> 20:51.595
CANDIDATES.


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HOWEVER, WE WILL GO THROUGHOUT


20:53.798 --> 20:54.765
THE STATE.


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IT'S ALMOST LIKE WINNING THE


20:57.869 --> 21:00.003
HEARTS AND MINDS OF MICHIGAN


21:00.071 --> 21:01.471
RESIDENTS AND WE WILL EDUCATE


21:01.539 --> 21:02.805
THEM ABOUT THIS LAW AND BENEFITS


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THAT WILL OCCUR TO MICHIGAN AND


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TO OUR ECONOMY.


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I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.


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>> IS THAT IN YOUR GAME PLAN


21:11.782 --> 21:12.615
RIGHT NOW?


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IS THERE ADVERTISING EFFORT THAT


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WILL BE LAUNCHED?


21:16.920 --> 21:18.988
>> THERE NO BUDGET, THERE IS NO


21:19.056 --> 21:20.189
ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN.


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IT'S GOING TO BE AGGRESSIVE AND


21:23.660 --> 21:25.494
TOUGHER, TOWN TO TOWN.


21:25.595 --> 21:27.096
>> Tim: WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR


21:27.164 --> 21:27.696
MONEY FROM?


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>> WE HAVE OVER 3,000 DONORS.


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>> Tim: OUTSIDE MICHIGAN MONEY?


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>> VERY, VERY LITTLE.


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>> Tim: SO YOU DON'T HAVE A


21:39.209 --> 21:40.342
BENEFACTOR SENDING YOU MONEY?


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>> I DON'T, UNFORTUNATELY.


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>> EDDIE MOUR OON ONE OF YOUR


21:53.023 --> 21:53.455
DONORS?


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>> WE DON'T DISCUSS OUR DONORS


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AND OUR DONORS ARE FREE TO


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DISCLOSE THEMSELVES BUT WE DON'T


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DO THAT.


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>> Tim: WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT?


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>> WE DON'T DO THAT BECAUSE WE


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MAKE A PROMISE WE WON'T, DONORS


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ARE OUR MEMBERS AND THEY FALL


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UNDER THE MEMBERSHIP.


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>> Tim: ARE YOU GOING TO COME


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BACK WITH THE BALLOT PROPOSAL ON


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TAX INCREASES AGAIN?


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>> THAT WASN'T OUR BALLOT


22:20.049 --> 22:23.351
PROPOSAL BUT WE DID SUPPORT IT.


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I CONGRATULATE THE GOVERNOR.


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THEY DID VERY GOOD JOB.


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WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ON THE


22:30.693 --> 22:32.327
BALLOT IN THE FUTURE BUT THAT IS


22:32.394 --> 22:34.996
NOT A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME.


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>> WHAT IS YOUR NEXT PRIORITY?


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>> TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR


22:38.234 --> 22:39.734
LIMITED GOVERNMENT AND ECONOMIC


22:39.802 --> 22:40.268
GROWTH.


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>> Tim: WHAT WOULD LIMIT


22:41.270 --> 22:42.704
GOVERNMENT IN YOUR MIND?


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>> THE INCOME TAX, THE INCOME


22:45.174 --> 22:45.740
TAX.


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LIKE I SAID WE COMPETE WITH NINE


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STATES.


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>> HOW WOULD YOU REPLACE THAT


22:51.413 --> 22:51.980
REVENUE?


22:52.048 --> 22:52.914
>> THROUGH ECONOMIC GROWTH.


22:52.982 --> 22:54.916
I THINK WE CAN STILL DO A LOT OF


22:55.017 --> 22:56.084
CUTTING IN GOVERN.


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>> IF YOU TOOK AWAY COUPLE


22:58.387 --> 23:00.588
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, IT WOULD BE


23:00.656 --> 23:02.156
ECONOMIC GROWTH TO REPLACE THAT


23:02.224 --> 23:02.456
MONEY.


23:02.523 --> 23:04.391
HOW LONG, YOUR LIFETIME?


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>> WE COULD CUT IT BY .1% FOR


23:10.698 --> 23:12.166
NEXT TEN YEARS.


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WE NEED, THERE ARE NINE OTHER


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STATES THAT DO IT.


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WE COULD HAVE A HIGHER SALES


23:19.174 --> 23:19.673
TAX.


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>> WHERE DOES SERVICE AND


23:21.943 --> 23:23.177
INFRASTRUCTURE FIT INTO THE


23:23.278 --> 23:27.481
PROSPERITY AGENDA AMERICANS FOR


23:27.548 --> 23:28.315
PROSPERITY?


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>> INFRASTRUCTURE IS VERY


23:29.684 --> 23:29.984
IMPORTANT.


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WE HAVE THE FIFTH HIGHEST TAX ON


23:32.320 --> 23:34.588
GASOLINE IN THE COUNTRY.


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SO CERTAINLY WE HAVE TO COME UP


23:38.860 --> 23:39.826
WITH SOLUTIONS.


23:39.928 --> 23:41.795
WE BELIEVE THERE NEEDS TO BE


23:41.863 --> 23:43.430
MORE MONEY PUT INTO THE ROADS.


23:43.498 --> 23:46.566
WE BELIEVE IT NEED TO COME FROM


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THE MONEY THAT IS ALREADY


23:49.371 --> 23:49.904
COLLECTED.


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>> Tim: THE GOVERNOR IS WRONG


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WHEN HE SAYS HE NEEDS $1.4


23:56.311 --> 23:57.344
BILLION IN NEW REVENUE?


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>> HE NEEDS IT FROM THE PUBLIC


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BUT TAKE IT FROM OTHER AREAS OF


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THE GOVERNMENT.


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>> Tim: SO HE NEEDS TO CLOSE


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SOME DEPARTMENTS DOWN AND PUT IT


24:06.987 --> 24:07.787
INTO ROADS?


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>> WE DO NEED TO BE MORE


24:10.124 --> 24:10.823
EFFICIENT.


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>> WHERE?


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WHAT WOULD BE THE SORT OF


24:12.859 --> 24:13.126
THINGS?


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>> MacKINAC STUDY HAS A GREAT


24:15.429 --> 24:17.663
STUDY THEY DID, STATE AND LOCAL


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AND THE STATE OF MICHIGAN


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CONTRIBUTED THE SAME AMOUNT THAT


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PRIVATE SECTOR WORKERS TO HAVE


24:22.970 --> 24:24.170
CONTRIBUTED TO THEIR HEALTH CARE


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AND TO THEIR BENEFIT PACKAGE.


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THAT WOULD BE A $5.7 BILLION


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SAVINGS.


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MAYBE AS THE BIT OVERSTATED BUT


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IF WE TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF THAT


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MONEY AND REQUIRED PUBLIC SECTOR


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WORKERS AND CONTRIBUTE THE SAME


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TO THEIR PENSIONS AND TO THEIR


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HEALTHCARE, IT WOULD BE ENORMOUS


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AMOUNT OF MONEY, YOU COULD


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REDUCE INCOME TAX AND REALLY PUT


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MICHIGAN ON THE PATH TO ECONOMIC


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GROWTH.


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>> 20% OF THE PREMIUM HEALTHCARE


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HOW MUCH DO YOU CONTRIBUTE TO


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YOUR HEALTHCARE?


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>> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.


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THEY ONLY PROVIDE HEALTH CARE


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FOR MYSELF AND I HAVE HEALTH


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SAVING ACCOUNT.


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THEY DON'T PROVIDE FOR MY


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FAMILY.


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STATE GOVERNMENT WORKERS I THINK


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IT IS PROVIDED FOR THEM AND


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THEIR FAMILY.


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>> Tim: SO YOU ARE ASKING FOR


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NEW REVENUE BUT IF HE DOES, YOU


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ARE GOING TO HAVE A FIGHT ON HIS


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HANDS WITH YOU GUYS?


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>> WE WILL OPPOSE IT.


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>> Tim: TAKE HIM TO THE MAT ON


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THIS ONE?


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>> WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE


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PROPOSAL IS.


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>> DO YOU COME TO AN


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ACCOMMODATION ON THE NEW BRIDGE?


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>> WE BELIEVE THERE WILL BE NEW


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BRIDGE.


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WE BELIEVE WHAT THEY DID, GO TO


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CONGRESS AND GET A FRANCHISE AND


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TO A PRIVATE COMPANIES.


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LET'S NOT USE FEDERAL MONEY.


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>> Tim: THAT IS NOT GOING TO


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HAPPEN?


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>> THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.


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>> Tim: THANK YOU, SIR.


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OUR THANKS TO PAUL, RICK AND


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CHAD.


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DON'T FORGET OUR E-MAIL ADDRESS


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AND DON'T FORGET WE'RE ON


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TWITTER AND WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT


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WEEK ON "OFF THE RECORD."


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