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"OFF THE RECORD" STARTS

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HAVE RICK PLU TAF AND CHAD

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LIVENGOOD ALONG WITH PAUL EGAN.

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HERE IS THE RUN DOWN, RIGHT TO

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WORK IS MOVING AND THE GOVERNOR

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SO ON BOARD.

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LATER ON, SCOTT HAGERSTROM FROM

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THE MICHIGAN CHAPTER OF

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AMERICANS FOR PROSPERITY WILL BE

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ON BOARD.

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ALL THIS AND MORE COMING UP

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RIGHT NOW, "OFF THE RECORD."

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>> NOW THIS EDITION OF "OFF THE

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RECORD" WITH TIM SKUBICK.

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>> Tim: THANKS.

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WELCOME TO THIS EDITION, RIGHT

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TO WORK, HERE IS WHAT WAS GOING

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ON IN OUR TOWN YESTERDAY.

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>> THE GOVERNOR CONCLUDED THE

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ISSUE WOULD NOT GO AWAY SO WHY

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NOT CONFRONT IT.

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>> THIS IS ABOUT TAKING CARE OF

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HARD WORKING PEOPLE OF MICHIGAN

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ABOUT HOW THEY FREELY WHO THEY

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ASSOCIATE WITH.

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I DON'T VIEW THIS AS AGAINST THE

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>> TELL THAT TO THESE

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MANY HE CONTENDS HE IS NOT UNION

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BUSTING.

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>> THAT IS NOT THE GOAL.

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THIS IS ABOUT THE WORKERS.

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>> TELL THAT TO PRESIDENT BOB

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>> THE RIGHT WING FORCES IN

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MICHIGAN, THEY ARE TRYING TO

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TAKE POWER AWAY FROM WORKING

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FAMILIES.

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THEY WANT WORKING FAMILIES THAT

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HAVE LOWER INCOME AND LESS

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SECURITY.

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THIS IS ABOUT PARTISANSHIP AND

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NOT ABOUT BRINGING THE STATES

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TOGETHER.

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>> MEANWHILE, THE STATE

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DEMOCRATIC LEADER WANTS TO

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WITHHOLD FEDERAL DOLLARS FOR THE

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BRIDGE AND MASS TRANSIT PROJECT

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IN DETROIT IF THE GOVERNOR SIGNS

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THE BILL.

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>> WE ARE REACHING OUT.

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WE ARE HOPING WHEN PRESIDENT

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OBAMA COMES TO MICHIGAN THIS

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HE IS GOING TO SAY MICHIGAN

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MIDDLE-CLASS, WHY SHOULD WE BE

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BENDING OVER BACKWARDS TO MAKE

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SURE THE GOVERNOR IS ABLE TO

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DELIVER ON HIS PROMISES.

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WHY DID THE GOVERNOR DO WHAT HE

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>> THERE WAS A LOT OF PRESSURE

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BUSINESS GROUPS AND MEMBERS OF

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ON FOR TOO MUCH LONGER.

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LET'S DO THIS NOW.

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>> IT SEEMS LIKE HE RECOGNIZED

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PRETTY STARK CHOICE, EITHER

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SIGNING OR VOTING A BILL SO STEP

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IN AND GET THE BEST HE COULD AND

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>> Tim: WHAT DEAL DID HE GET?

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>> HE WANTED COOPERATION WITH

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REPUBLICANS FOR THE

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TRANSPORTATION.

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>> HE SAYS HE IS NOT A HORSE

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I'M ON THE RECORD, I AM NOT A

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HORSE TRADER?

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>> HE THOUGHT HE WAS NEGOTIATING

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WITH THE UNIONS ON THIS.

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ALTHOUGH AGAIN, IT'S NOT

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ENTIRELY CLEAR WHAT THEY CAN

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CONCEIVABLY GIVEN UP.

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SOMETHING THAT UNIONS COULD HAVE

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POUT TABLE THAT COULD HAVE

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STOPPED THIS.

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>> THE UNIONS SAID THEY PUT ON

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THE TABLE EVERYTHING THEY COULD.

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WHEN THEY PUT IT ON TABLE, IF

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YOU DON'T LIKE IT TELL US WHAT

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YOU WANT.

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THEY NEVER GOT A RESPONSE BACK

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FROM THE GOVERNOR.

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TAKE THIS TO RICHARDVILLE AND

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NEVER GOT BEYOND IT?

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>> WE'RE HEARING CONFLICTING

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STORIES, HOW THE NEGOTIATIONS

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TRANSPIRED THAT THE UNIONS

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DIDN'T COME ACROSS.

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THEY DIDN'T COME ACROSS WITH

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UNIONS SAYING WHAT DO YOU WANT.

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THEY KNEW THE DAY AFTER THE

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NOVEMBER ELECTION THEY WERE

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GOING TO HAVE TO START TRADING

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STUFF.

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THEY WERE GOING TO AVOID THIS.

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>> SNYDER NEEDED BIPARTISAN

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SUPPORT WAS REGIONAL TRANSIT

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AUTHORITY.

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HE COULD DO EVERYTHING ELSE JUST

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IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THERE WAS

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MUCH LEFT.

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>> Tim: AS I ASKED, WHY DID IT

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TAKE THREE YEARS TO GET HERE?

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>> THERE IS TWO SCHOOLS OF

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THOUGHT ON THAT.

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THE CYNICAL VIEW THIS IS

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SOMETHING THAT HE WAS OKAY WITH

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AND HE PLAYED DOWN THE SUPPORT.

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>> BUT THERE IS A VIDEO FROM THE

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CAMPAIGN WHERE CANDIDATE SNYDER

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SAID THAT IF IT WAS PUT IN FRONT

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OF HIM HE WOULD SIGN IT.

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>> RIGHT.

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>> SO THERE IS THAT SCHOOL OF

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THOUGHT.

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>> AND THE OTHER VIEW IS WHAT

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THE GOVERNOR SAYS HIMSELF IS

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THAT HE FELT THERE WERE OTHER

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PRIORITIES EVEN AS RECENTLY

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YESTERDAY, HE SAID IF IT WAS

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TOTALLY UP TO HIM HE WOULDN'T

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BRING IT UP AT THIS TIME.

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IF IT CAME TO BE AN ISSUE, IT

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WAS PUT ON THE TABLE WHETHER HE

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WANTED IT OR NOT.

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HE TOOK A POSITION HE DOES

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BELIEVE IN THERE SHOULD BE

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FREEDOM FOR PEOPLE TO CHOOSE.

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>> I GOT THIS STORY ABSOLUTELY

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WRONG.

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I READ THIS GUY THE WRONG WAY.

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I THOUGHT HE WAS BUYING TIME TO

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WAIT THIS OUT.

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THE LONGER WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT

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I DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.

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WHEN HE SAID IT'S NOW NOT ON MY

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AGENDA, I SAID HERE IT GOES.

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I GOT THAT WRONG.

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>> YOU WEREN'T ALONE IN THAT.

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YOU WEREN'T ALONE IN THAT.

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THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE

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WONDERING IF THIS WAS TAP DANCE

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TO GET ALL THE WAY THROUGH LAME

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DUCK AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS OR IF

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AND WAS THIS JUST A CHANCE TO

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MAKE LABOR TWIST IN THE BREEZE

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FOR HAVING PUSHED PROPOSAL 2.

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>> HE'S NOT A VINDICTIVE GUY?

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>> HE IS NOT, BUT LIKE WHAT

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HAPPENED TODAY HAS NOTHING TO DO

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WITH WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY.

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HE SAID HE WARNED THEM IF THEY

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WENT AHEAD WITH PROPOSAL 2, TO

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COME UP AND IT MIGHT BE RIGHT TO

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WORK.

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IN FACT THAT IS WHAT HE SAID.

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HE WAS NOT WRONG.

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>> THE GOVERNOR SAID LOOK AT THE

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POLITICAL REALITY.

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THERE IS NO BETTER TIME FOR ME

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STRATEGIC STANDPOINT THAN TO DO

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THIS IN LAME DUCK AND DO IT WITH

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A 64-MEMBER MAJORITY AND GO TO

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59 AND SIX REPUBLICANS IN THE

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HOUSE THAT VOTED AGAINST IT.

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THOSE SIX WOULD VOTE IT AGAINST

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IT NEXT MONTH.

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THEN IT WOULD BE THREE VOTES.

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THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PASS

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THE BILL NEXT SESSION.

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>> ONE OF THE REASONS IT WAS

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INTENSE THEY SAW THIS AS LAST

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MOMENT TO GET THIS DONE.

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ALL THE PEOPLE RETIRING GOING

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OUT THE DOOR WHO COULD CAST THE

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VOTE.

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>> THAT IS WHY IT IS INTERESTING

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IN TERMS OF THE ARGUMENTS.

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IT'S HARD TO ARGUMENT AGAINST

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FREEDOM OF CHOICE AND GOVERNMENT

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MAKES THE ARGUMENT WELL.

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UNIONS HAVE TO MAKE A BETTER

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CASE THEY ARE DOING A GOOD JOB

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AND LET PEOPLE DECIDE ON MERITS.

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SOME MIGHT ASK SHOULDN'T THE

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SAME ARGUMENT APPLY TO THE

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LEGISLATION.

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IF THESE BILLS ARE SO GOOD, WHY

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NOT GIVE THE PUBLIC A CHANCE TO

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REALLY HAVE A LOOK AT THEM.

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WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE DONE SO

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QUICKLY AND GAVE THE POLITICAL

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ANSWER.

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>> MORE BOLGER SAYS THIS IS NOT

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A NEW ISSUE.

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I BROUGHT IT UP TWO YEARS AGO.

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IT'S BEEN ON THE TABLE.

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>> WHY DO WE HOLD HEARINGS AT

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ALL?

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>> Tim: THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.

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IF YOU GOT THE VOTES YOU RUN THE

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STUFF.

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WOULD THE HEARINGS HAVE MADE ANY

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DIFFERENCE IN THIS DEBATE?

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>> NO, IT WOULD HAVE DRAGGED IT

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ON FOR A COUPLE MORE DAYS.

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IT COULD HAVE MADE A COUPLE

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HOUSE REPUBLICANS A LITTLE MORE

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SKITTISH ABOUT VOTING FOR IT.

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>> I THINK HEARINGS WHERE PEOPLE

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ARE MAKING ARGUMENTS TRYING TO

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FIND SOMETHING NEW, IT COULD

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CONCEIVABLY DELAYED THIS INTO

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THE NEXT SESSION.

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>> Tim: WHAT IS NEXT FOR LABOR?

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WHAT DO THEY DO?

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>> REMEMBER FOR A LONG TIME.

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>> ARE THEY GOING TO SHOW UP

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AGAIN... WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO

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DO?

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>> WHAT THEY DID THIS WEEK TIMES

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TWO.

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YEAH, THERE IS 2,000 TO 3,000

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PEOPLE THERE WILL BE DOUBLE THAT

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ON TUESDAY.

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>>> WE ASSUME THEY LOSE, DO THEY

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DO RECALLS OR PETITION DRIVE OR

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WAIT FOR THE NEXT ELECTION

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CYCLE?

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>> THEY SAY A RECALL OF GOVERNOR

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SNYDER IS PROBABLY IMPRACTICAL.

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>> THEY CAN TAKE LAWMAKERS ONE

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BY ONE DOWN IF THEY WANT TO.

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>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS

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BEEN PUT OUT THERE, RIGHT NOW

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WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MARGIN IN

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THE NEXT LEGISLATURE THAT THE

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PROSPECTS FOR THE DEMOCRATS

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TAKING CONTROL OF THE HOUSE OR

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SENATE APPEAR PRETTY DIM, BUT IF

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YOU CAN FIND A COUPLE VULNERABLE

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REPUBLICANS ESPECIALLY IN THE

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SENATE AND DO A REPEAT OF THE

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1982 RECALLS THEN ALL OF A

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SUDDEN THINGS THAT SEEM TO BE

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REALLY CHALLENGING IN 2014 LOOK

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WITHIN REACH.

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>> THE OTHER ISSUE THAT HURT

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SOMEBODY RIGHT NOW IS LABOR IS

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ON ITS HEELS.

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THEY SPENT MILLIONS ON PROPOSAL

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2 AND LOST.

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THERE ARE UNION MEMBERS THAT ARE

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QUESTIONING THE DECISION TO GO

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AHEAD WITH PROPOSAL 2.

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THEY ARE QUESTIONING WHAT WAS

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THE POINT OF NEGOTIATIONS.

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THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE LAST

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COUPLE OF WEEKS WHERE EVERYBODY

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WAS TOLD TO KEEP THEIR HEADS

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DOWN AND KEEP QUIET.

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NOW, THEY GOT WHAT THEY FEARED.

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IT'S NOT IN THE BEST POSITION TO

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FIGHT A BATTLE AGAINST STATE

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LAWMAKERS.

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>> ONE THING THEY DO A BALLOT

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INITIATIVE OF LAW AT 8% OF THE

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VOTE TO GATHER SIGNATURES

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BECAUSE THIS RIGHT TO WORK BILL.

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>> WILL BE A REFERENDUM.

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>> BUT THAT IS NOT OUT OF THE

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REALM OF POSSIBILITIES BUT THEY

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WOULD HAVE TO PUT AN INITIATIVE

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ON THE BALLOT THAT WOULD NEED A

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YES VOTE.

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REFERENDUM THEY COULD PUT THIS

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LAW ON THE BALLOTED AND GET YOU

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TO VOTE NO.

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>>> LET'S EXTEND THIS.

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RIGHT TO WORK STATE OR NOT RIGHT

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TO WORK STATE.

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MICHIGAN IS POSTER CHILD OF THE

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LABOR MOVEMENT.

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IT WAS BORN HERE.

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IF THEY CAN DO IT IN MICHIGAN,

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CAN'T THEY DO IT IN KANSAS?

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IN MISSOURI?

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IT'S A NATIONAL MOVEMENT NOW

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BECAUSE IT HAPPENED IN MICHIGAN.

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>> THE SYMBOLIC VALUE IS LARGE

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NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THAT BECAUSE

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IT WILL BE 24th STATE.

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THAT PUTS THE RIGHT TO WORK

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MOVEMENT CLOSE TO HALFWAY.

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>> WHAT ABOUT THE WHITE HOUSE

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ANGLE, GETTING THE PRESIDENT

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INVOLVED.

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WERE YOU SURPRISED BY THAT?

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>> THE PRESIDENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN

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AGAINST RIGHT TO WORK LAWS AND

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REITERATED NOW A NEW WRINKLE THE

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DEMOCRATS LOBBYING FOR WHITE

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RAIL OF WOODROW AVENUE AND EVEN

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THE GOVERNOR'S BRIDGE.

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I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING

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THAT DEMOCRATS WOULD TRY TO

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DERAIL A PROJECT THAT WOULD PUT

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ORGANIZED LABOR TO WORK.

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>> Tim: THAT IS THE ONLY

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LEVERAGE THEY HAVE TO GET A VOTE

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OUT OF THIS GUY.

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DO WE AGREE OR NOT?

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>> HE MAY NOT WANT THE BRIDGE

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THAT BAD AT THIS POINT.

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>> Tim: THE GOVERNOR?

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>> LAST TIME I CHECKED....

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>> THE OTHER THING TO A LOT OF

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THE REPUBLICAN SUPPORTERS OF

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THIS WAS SAYING THIS REALLY

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HAPPENED INDEPENDENT OF PROPOSAL

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2.

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DO YOU BELIEVE THAT?

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>> I DON'T KNOW.

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DO BELIEVE THAT?

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>> CERTAINLY NOT FOR SOME

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PEOPLE.

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>> CLEARLY THERE IS SOME LINKAGE

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THERE.

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>> THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN

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REGARDLESS OF PROPOSAL 2.

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THAT IS WHAT THE LABOR GUYS WILL

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TELL YOU.

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IT WAS TEED UP.

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>> THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE

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LOOKING AT THIS.

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WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED

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PROPOSAL 2 BEING A SWEEPING

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VISTA OF LEGISLATIVE ACTIVITY

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REPEALING ALL KINDS OF THINGS

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HAD BEEN A SIMPLE ONE SENTENCE

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THOU SHALT NOT MESS WITH

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COLLECTIVE BARGAINING RIGHTS.

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>> OR RIGHT TO WORK.

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DON'T MESS WITH IT.

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YOU WERE GOING TO SAY, WHAT

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ABOUT THE ACTIVITY OF MORE DID

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HE VOSS AND MORE RISER?

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>> VERY QUIETLY.

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THAT DID YOU THREAT REPUBLICANS

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WITH RECALLS.

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>> I SAW YOUR COLUMN.

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IT WAS INTERESTING THAT DICK

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DEVOSS SAID HE DIDN'T THINK THE

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TIME WAS RIGHT TO WORK.

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HE IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THOSE

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THAT HAVE BEEN FUNDING THE TV

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ADS ON THIS.

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HE IS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT PUT

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THIS ISSUE IN FRONT OF THE

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GOVERNOR IN A WAY THAT MADE IT

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HARD....

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>> IT'S THE INCIDENTS BETWEEN A

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CANDIDATE AND BEING SOMEONE WHO

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IS JUST....

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>> IN FAIRNESS TO HIM BECAUSE

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PEOPLE WOULD EXPLAIN CHANGE OF

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HEART WAS PROPOSAL 2.

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THAT SAID, THAT WAS THE STRAW

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THAT BROKE MR. DE VOGS S'S BACK?

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>> THEY THOUGHT PROPOSAL 2 WAS

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REFERENDUM ON RIGHT TO WORK.

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>> EVEN THOUGH WE NEVER HAD

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DEBATE ON PROPOSAL 2 CAMPAIGN.

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>>> LET'S CALL IN SCOTT AT THIS

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POINT.

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>> SCOTT HAGERSTROM FROM THE

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MICHIGAN CHAPTER OF AMERICANS

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FOR PROSPERITY L HE SPENT 15

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YEARS IN THE PROCESS AND FIVE

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AND A HALF YEARS TO A STATE

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REPRESENTATIVE.

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HE HAS BEEN WITH THIS

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ORGANIZATION FOR THE LAST FOUR

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AND A HALF YEARS.

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>> WELCOME TO OUR PROGRAM, SIR.

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PAUL HAS THE FIRST QUESTION.

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>> WHAT STATE IS GOLD STANDARD

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IN TERMS OF PUBLIC POLICY AS YOU

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ADVANCE YOUR AGENDA, WHAT STATE

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WOULD YOU POINTED THAT YOU WOULD

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LIKE TO SEE MICHIGAN BECOME THE

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MORE LIKE?

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>> IN TERMS OF JOBS AND LIMITED

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GOVERNMENT AND ECONOMIC IT WILL

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BE, PROBABLY TEXAS IS RIGHT UP

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THERE.

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NO INCOME TAX, TRITE WORK STATE.

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THERE IS A LOT OF JOB GROWTH

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THERE.

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ANOTHER STATE WE ARE LOOKING IS

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INDIANA.

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THEY ADDED 43,000 JOBS SINCE

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PASSING.

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WE WANT AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE

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THERE IS JOBS COMING TO MICHIGAN

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AND INCOMES ARE GROWING.

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NOT THE ENVIRONMENT FROM 2001 TO

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2010 WHERE WE LOST POPULATION.

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IN 1960s WE WERE ECONOMIC

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POWERHOUSE.

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WE HAVE OVER 9% UNEMPLOYMENT.

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AND GOVERNOR AND LEGISLATIVE

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LEADERS ARE COMMITTED TO

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RETURNING MICHIGAN TO ECONOMIC

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PROMINENCE.

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WE DON'T AGREE ON EVERY ISSUE.

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I THINK THEY ARE COMMITTED TO

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THOSE VALUES.

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WE WANT TO MOVE MICHIGAN

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FORWARD.

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>> WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT

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THAT PERIOD, IT WAS A PERIOD

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WHEN THE UNION MOVEMENT WAS VERY

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STRONG.

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THAT THE CLOTHES SHOP WAS A

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REALITY IT WAS THERE -- CLOSED

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SHOP WAS A REALITY.

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HOW DOES IT HELP RESTORE IT?

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>> AS THE PROBLEM NOW.

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WE LIVE IN A WORLD ECONOMY.

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WE HAVE TO BE COMPETITIVE AND

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WE'RE LOSING JOBS AND LOSING

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POPULATION.

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ALL OF US KNOW PEOPLE THAT HAVE

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HAD TO LEAVE THE STATE OR

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CONSIDER LEAVING THE STATE FOR

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GOOD EMPLOYMENT.

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TIMES ARE CHANGING.

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>> GIVING PEOPLE NOT TO JOIN THE

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UNION WILL HAVE THEM STAY HERE?

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>> WHEN WE LOOK AT COMPANIES AND

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WHERE THEY WANT TO INVEST THEIR

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DOLLARS THEY SPECIFICALLY RULED

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OUT STATES, SINCE THE END OF THE

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RECESSION....

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>> Tim: THIS ADMINISTRATION SAYS

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THEY ARE NOT HUNTING FOR JOBS IN

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OTHER STATES.

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WHAT DO THEY THINK ABOUT

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MICHIGAN IS IRRELEVANT.

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>> I THINK THAT IS MISTAKEN.

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THEY ARE GARDENING TO GROW JOBS

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HERE AND BRING NEW JOBS AND NEW

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INVESTMENT.

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>> AND A POLICE OFFICER IN

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DETROIT OR FIREFIGHTER IN GRAND

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RAPIDS BE EXEMPTED?

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>> THERE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT

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CONSTITUTION, THEY ARE

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PROHIBITED FROM STRIKING UNDER

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PA-12.

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THEY ARE CONCERNED N WITHIN

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LEGISLATIVE CIRCLES ABOUT PA-12.

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WE CAN LIVE WITH POLICE AND FIRE

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EXCEPTIONS.

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THERE MAY BE A DUE PROCESS

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QUESTION THERE AND WE'LL SEE IF

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THERE IS A LAWSUIT.

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>> Tim: YOU HAVE BEEN CRITICAL

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OF THIS GOVERNOR.

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WHERE ARE YOU ON GOVERNOR SNYDER

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TODAY?

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>> BASED ON THE STATEMENT

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YESTERDAY, VERY, VERY PLEASED.

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WE'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE ON

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EVERY ISSUE.

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WE DON'T AGREE ON EVERY ISSUE.

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WE WANT ECONOMIC LIBERTY BUT I

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THINK ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE,

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IF I COULD HAVE TWO THINGS TO

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PUT US FORWARD ECONOMICALLY AND

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BRING JOBS, IT WOULD BE PASSING

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RIGHT TO WORK LEGISLATION AND

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EVENTUAL LIMITATION OF THE STATE

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INCOME TAX.

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WE ARE COMPETING WITH NINE

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STATES THAT HAVE NO INCOME TAX.

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>> Tim: IS THAT NEXT ON THE

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AGENDA?

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>> THAT HAS BEEN ON THE AGENDA

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FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS AND WILL

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CONTINUE TO BE.

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>> IF THE RIGHT TO WORK

530
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LEGISLATION IS PASSED, WHAT

531
00:19:29,982 --> 00:19:31,883
IMPACT WILL IT HAVE ON THE

532
00:19:31,951 --> 00:19:33,151
POLITICAL POWER OF THE UNIONS

533
00:19:33,218 --> 00:19:35,787
AND AS A MAJOR FUND-RAISER OF

534
00:19:35,855 --> 00:19:36,655
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY?

535
00:19:36,722 --> 00:19:38,690
>> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.

536
00:19:38,758 --> 00:19:40,058
THERE ARE A LOT OF UNION

537
00:19:40,126 --> 00:19:42,661
PROTESTORS THERE YESTERDAY.

538
00:19:42,728 --> 00:19:44,896
THE THING FOR THEM NOTHING HAS

539
00:19:44,964 --> 00:19:45,730
TO CHANGE.

540
00:19:45,798 --> 00:19:48,099
THEY CAN CONTINUE TO BELONG TO A

541
00:19:48,167 --> 00:19:50,635
UNION AND CONTINUE TO

542
00:19:50,736 --> 00:19:53,471
COLLECTIVELY BARGAIN AND IF THEY

543
00:19:53,572 --> 00:19:55,573
MAKE A GOOD SERVICE, PEOPLE WILL

544
00:19:55,641 --> 00:19:56,975
CONTINUE TO PAY DUES AND

545
00:19:57,076 --> 00:19:58,409
CONTINUE TO HAVE THEIR INCOME

546
00:19:58,510 --> 00:19:59,778
BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO EARN THAT.

547
00:19:59,879 --> 00:20:03,047
THEY WON'T HAVE A CAPTIVE

548
00:20:03,114 --> 00:20:04,848
AUDIENCE AND REQUIRED TO PAY

549
00:20:04,949 --> 00:20:05,783
UNION DUES.

550
00:20:05,850 --> 00:20:08,919
>> DO YOU EXPECT THE LAW WILL

551
00:20:08,987 --> 00:20:13,123
HAVE AN AFFECT ON MEMBERSHIP IN

552
00:20:13,224 --> 00:20:14,457
MICHIGAN?

553
00:20:14,525 --> 00:20:18,028
>> POLLING SHOWS THAT SOME WOULD

554
00:20:18,096 --> 00:20:19,362
DROP THEIR MEMBERSHIP BUT THE

555
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:21,565
UNIONS HAVE TAKEN FOR GRANTED

556
00:20:21,632 --> 00:20:22,499
THEIR MEMBERSHIP.

557
00:20:22,567 --> 00:20:23,967
THEY KNEW THEY WERE COLLECTING

558
00:20:24,069 --> 00:20:25,402
THE MONEY NO MATTER WHAT THEY

559
00:20:25,503 --> 00:20:25,769
DID.

560
00:20:25,837 --> 00:20:27,738
THEY WILL HAVE TO OFFER ON

561
00:20:27,806 --> 00:20:29,506
OFFERING SERVICES AND BE A GOOD

562
00:20:29,574 --> 00:20:30,674
REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WORKERS.

563
00:20:30,742 --> 00:20:33,010
IF THEY DO THAT, I DON'T THINK

564
00:20:33,078 --> 00:20:34,211
UNION MEMBERSHIP WILL DROP AT

565
00:20:34,312 --> 00:20:34,578
ALL.

566
00:20:34,645 --> 00:20:37,181
>> HOW ARE YOU PREPARED TO HELP

567
00:20:37,281 --> 00:20:39,649
REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED WITH YOU

568
00:20:39,718 --> 00:20:41,318
WHO MAY BECOME THE TARGETS OF

569
00:20:41,385 --> 00:20:44,054
POLITICAL ACTION, EITHER RECALLS

570
00:20:44,122 --> 00:20:45,723
OR MAYBE SOME AGGRESSIVE

571
00:20:45,790 --> 00:20:47,390
ACTIVITY IN 2014?

572
00:20:47,458 --> 00:20:48,225
>> SURE.

573
00:20:48,292 --> 00:20:49,760
WE DON'T GET INVOLVED IN

574
00:20:49,828 --> 00:20:50,894
ELECTIONS OR SUPPORTING

575
00:20:51,262 --> 00:20:51,595
CANDIDATES.

576
00:20:51,662 --> 00:20:53,731
HOWEVER, WE WILL GO THROUGHOUT

577
00:20:53,798 --> 00:20:54,765
THE STATE.

578
00:20:54,833 --> 00:20:57,768
IT'S ALMOST LIKE WINNING THE

579
00:20:57,869 --> 00:21:00,003
HEARTS AND MINDS OF MICHIGAN

580
00:21:00,071 --> 00:21:01,471
RESIDENTS AND WE WILL EDUCATE

581
00:21:01,539 --> 00:21:02,805
THEM ABOUT THIS LAW AND BENEFITS

582
00:21:02,873 --> 00:21:04,340
THAT WILL OCCUR TO MICHIGAN AND

583
00:21:04,407 --> 00:21:07,744
TO OUR ECONOMY.

584
00:21:07,811 --> 00:21:10,012
I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

585
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,714
>> IS THAT IN YOUR GAME PLAN

586
00:21:11,782 --> 00:21:12,615
RIGHT NOW?

587
00:21:12,716 --> 00:21:15,885
IS THERE ADVERTISING EFFORT THAT

588
00:21:15,953 --> 00:21:16,853
WILL BE LAUNCHED?

589
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,988
>> THERE NO BUDGET, THERE IS NO

590
00:21:19,056 --> 00:21:20,189
ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN.

591
00:21:20,257 --> 00:21:23,559
IT'S GOING TO BE AGGRESSIVE AND

592
00:21:23,660 --> 00:21:25,494
TOUGHER, TOWN TO TOWN.

593
00:21:25,595 --> 00:21:27,096
>> Tim: WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR

594
00:21:27,164 --> 00:21:27,696
MONEY FROM?

595
00:21:27,765 --> 00:21:31,700
>> WE HAVE OVER 3,000 DONORS.

596
00:21:31,769 --> 00:21:33,335
>> Tim: OUTSIDE MICHIGAN MONEY?

597
00:21:33,403 --> 00:21:35,604
>> VERY, VERY LITTLE.

598
00:21:35,705 --> 00:21:39,142
>> Tim: SO YOU DON'T HAVE A

599
00:21:39,209 --> 00:21:40,342
BENEFACTOR SENDING YOU MONEY?

600
00:21:40,410 --> 00:21:44,413
>> I DON'T, UNFORTUNATELY.

601
00:21:44,481 --> 00:21:52,955
>> EDDIE MOUR OON ONE OF YOUR

602
00:21:53,023 --> 00:21:53,455
DONORS?

603
00:21:53,523 --> 00:21:56,025
>> WE DON'T DISCUSS OUR DONORS

604
00:21:56,093 --> 00:21:58,227
AND OUR DONORS ARE FREE TO

605
00:21:58,295 --> 00:21:59,829
DISCLOSE THEMSELVES BUT WE DON'T

606
00:21:59,897 --> 00:22:00,429
DO THAT.

607
00:22:00,497 --> 00:22:02,063
>> Tim: WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT?

608
00:22:02,131 --> 00:22:04,032
>> WE DON'T DO THAT BECAUSE WE

609
00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:09,771
MAKE A PROMISE WE WON'T, DONORS

610
00:22:09,872 --> 00:22:11,506
ARE OUR MEMBERS AND THEY FALL

611
00:22:11,607 --> 00:22:13,041
UNDER THE MEMBERSHIP.

612
00:22:13,142 --> 00:22:14,276
>> Tim: ARE YOU GOING TO COME

613
00:22:14,376 --> 00:22:15,977
BACK WITH THE BALLOT PROPOSAL ON

614
00:22:16,045 --> 00:22:17,612
TAX INCREASES AGAIN?

615
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,981
>> THAT WASN'T OUR BALLOT

616
00:22:20,049 --> 00:22:23,351
PROPOSAL BUT WE DID SUPPORT IT.

617
00:22:23,419 --> 00:22:24,619
I CONGRATULATE THE GOVERNOR.

618
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,223
THEY DID VERY GOOD JOB.

619
00:22:28,291 --> 00:22:30,625
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ON THE

620
00:22:30,693 --> 00:22:32,327
BALLOT IN THE FUTURE BUT THAT IS

621
00:22:32,394 --> 00:22:34,996
NOT A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME.

622
00:22:35,097 --> 00:22:36,832
>> WHAT IS YOUR NEXT PRIORITY?

623
00:22:36,899 --> 00:22:38,166
>> TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR

624
00:22:38,234 --> 00:22:39,734
LIMITED GOVERNMENT AND ECONOMIC

625
00:22:39,802 --> 00:22:40,268
GROWTH.

626
00:22:40,336 --> 00:22:41,203
>> Tim: WHAT WOULD LIMIT

627
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:42,704
GOVERNMENT IN YOUR MIND?

628
00:22:42,805 --> 00:22:45,106
>> THE INCOME TAX, THE INCOME

629
00:22:45,174 --> 00:22:45,740
TAX.

630
00:22:45,842 --> 00:22:48,443
LIKE I SAID WE COMPETE WITH NINE

631
00:22:48,510 --> 00:22:49,344
STATES.

632
00:22:49,445 --> 00:22:51,279
>> HOW WOULD YOU REPLACE THAT

633
00:22:51,413 --> 00:22:51,980
REVENUE?

634
00:22:52,048 --> 00:22:52,914
>> THROUGH ECONOMIC GROWTH.

635
00:22:52,982 --> 00:22:54,916
I THINK WE CAN STILL DO A LOT OF

636
00:22:55,017 --> 00:22:56,084
CUTTING IN GOVERN.

637
00:22:56,152 --> 00:22:58,320
>> IF YOU TOOK AWAY COUPLE

638
00:22:58,387 --> 00:23:00,588
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, IT WOULD BE

639
00:23:00,656 --> 00:23:02,156
ECONOMIC GROWTH TO REPLACE THAT

640
00:23:02,224 --> 00:23:02,456
MONEY.

641
00:23:02,523 --> 00:23:04,391
HOW LONG, YOUR LIFETIME?

642
00:23:04,492 --> 00:23:10,597
>> WE COULD CUT IT BY .1% FOR

643
00:23:10,698 --> 00:23:12,166
NEXT TEN YEARS.

644
00:23:12,234 --> 00:23:15,535
WE NEED, THERE ARE NINE OTHER

645
00:23:15,603 --> 00:23:16,570
STATES THAT DO IT.

646
00:23:16,671 --> 00:23:19,073
WE COULD HAVE A HIGHER SALES

647
00:23:19,174 --> 00:23:19,673
TAX.

648
00:23:19,741 --> 00:23:21,876
>> WHERE DOES SERVICE AND

649
00:23:21,943 --> 00:23:23,177
INFRASTRUCTURE FIT INTO THE

650
00:23:23,278 --> 00:23:27,481
PROSPERITY AGENDA AMERICANS FOR

651
00:23:27,548 --> 00:23:28,315
PROSPERITY?

652
00:23:28,383 --> 00:23:29,616
>> INFRASTRUCTURE IS VERY

653
00:23:29,684 --> 00:23:29,984
IMPORTANT.

654
00:23:30,051 --> 00:23:32,253
WE HAVE THE FIFTH HIGHEST TAX ON

655
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,588
GASOLINE IN THE COUNTRY.

656
00:23:34,655 --> 00:23:38,792
SO CERTAINLY WE HAVE TO COME UP

657
00:23:38,860 --> 00:23:39,826
WITH SOLUTIONS.

658
00:23:39,928 --> 00:23:41,795
WE BELIEVE THERE NEEDS TO BE

659
00:23:41,863 --> 00:23:43,430
MORE MONEY PUT INTO THE ROADS.

660
00:23:43,498 --> 00:23:46,566
WE BELIEVE IT NEED TO COME FROM

661
00:23:46,634 --> 00:23:49,270
THE MONEY THAT IS ALREADY

662
00:23:49,371 --> 00:23:49,904
COLLECTED.

663
00:23:49,971 --> 00:23:52,273
>> Tim: THE GOVERNOR IS WRONG

664
00:23:52,340 --> 00:23:56,243
WHEN HE SAYS HE NEEDS $1.4

665
00:23:56,311 --> 00:23:57,344
BILLION IN NEW REVENUE?

666
00:23:57,412 --> 00:24:00,080
>> HE NEEDS IT FROM THE PUBLIC

667
00:24:00,148 --> 00:24:02,282
BUT TAKE IT FROM OTHER AREAS OF

668
00:24:02,349 --> 00:24:03,116
THE GOVERNMENT.

669
00:24:03,183 --> 00:24:05,285
>> Tim: SO HE NEEDS TO CLOSE

670
00:24:05,352 --> 00:24:06,920
SOME DEPARTMENTS DOWN AND PUT IT

671
00:24:06,987 --> 00:24:07,787
INTO ROADS?

672
00:24:07,888 --> 00:24:10,056
>> WE DO NEED TO BE MORE

673
00:24:10,124 --> 00:24:10,823
EFFICIENT.

674
00:24:10,891 --> 00:24:11,490
>> WHERE?

675
00:24:11,558 --> 00:24:12,792
WHAT WOULD BE THE SORT OF

676
00:24:12,859 --> 00:24:13,126
THINGS?

677
00:24:13,193 --> 00:24:15,361
>> MacKINAC STUDY HAS A GREAT

678
00:24:15,429 --> 00:24:17,663
STUDY THEY DID, STATE AND LOCAL

679
00:24:17,731 --> 00:24:19,165
AND THE STATE OF MICHIGAN

680
00:24:19,233 --> 00:24:21,034
CONTRIBUTED THE SAME AMOUNT THAT

681
00:24:21,101 --> 00:24:22,902
PRIVATE SECTOR WORKERS TO HAVE

682
00:24:22,970 --> 00:24:24,170
CONTRIBUTED TO THEIR HEALTH CARE

683
00:24:24,238 --> 00:24:26,272
AND TO THEIR BENEFIT PACKAGE.

684
00:24:26,340 --> 00:24:29,242
THAT WOULD BE A $5.7 BILLION

685
00:24:29,310 --> 00:24:30,310
SAVINGS.

686
00:24:30,377 --> 00:24:32,979
MAYBE AS THE BIT OVERSTATED BUT

687
00:24:33,047 --> 00:24:34,314
IF WE TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF THAT

688
00:24:34,381 --> 00:24:36,316
MONEY AND REQUIRED PUBLIC SECTOR

689
00:24:36,383 --> 00:24:37,850
WORKERS AND CONTRIBUTE THE SAME

690
00:24:37,918 --> 00:24:39,285
TO THEIR PENSIONS AND TO THEIR

691
00:24:39,353 --> 00:24:41,887
HEALTHCARE, IT WOULD BE ENORMOUS

692
00:24:41,956 --> 00:24:43,556
AMOUNT OF MONEY, YOU COULD

693
00:24:43,623 --> 00:24:45,925
REDUCE INCOME TAX AND REALLY PUT

694
00:24:46,026 --> 00:24:47,660
MICHIGAN ON THE PATH TO ECONOMIC

695
00:24:47,727 --> 00:24:48,161
GROWTH.

696
00:24:48,228 --> 00:24:50,596
>> 20% OF THE PREMIUM HEALTHCARE

697
00:24:50,664 --> 00:24:53,499
HOW MUCH DO YOU CONTRIBUTE TO

698
00:24:53,567 --> 00:24:54,367
YOUR HEALTHCARE?

699
00:24:54,435 --> 00:24:55,969
>> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.

700
00:24:56,036 --> 00:24:57,770
THEY ONLY PROVIDE HEALTH CARE

701
00:24:57,871 --> 00:25:00,573
FOR MYSELF AND I HAVE HEALTH

702
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:01,441
SAVING ACCOUNT.

703
00:25:01,541 --> 00:25:02,874
THEY DON'T PROVIDE FOR MY

704
00:25:02,942 --> 00:25:03,442
FAMILY.

705
00:25:03,542 --> 00:25:05,043
STATE GOVERNMENT WORKERS I THINK

706
00:25:05,111 --> 00:25:06,711
IT IS PROVIDED FOR THEM AND

707
00:25:06,779 --> 00:25:07,479
THEIR FAMILY.

708
00:25:07,546 --> 00:25:08,880
>> Tim: SO YOU ARE ASKING FOR

709
00:25:08,948 --> 00:25:10,815
NEW REVENUE BUT IF HE DOES, YOU

710
00:25:10,883 --> 00:25:12,317
ARE GOING TO HAVE A FIGHT ON HIS

711
00:25:12,385 --> 00:25:13,385
HANDS WITH YOU GUYS?

712
00:25:13,486 --> 00:25:15,253
>> WE WILL OPPOSE IT.

713
00:25:15,321 --> 00:25:17,489
>> Tim: TAKE HIM TO THE MAT ON

714
00:25:17,556 --> 00:25:18,190
THIS ONE?

715
00:25:18,257 --> 00:25:19,491
>> WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE

716
00:25:19,558 --> 00:25:20,525
PROPOSAL IS.

717
00:25:20,593 --> 00:25:24,529
>> DO YOU COME TO AN

718
00:25:24,597 --> 00:25:25,964
ACCOMMODATION ON THE NEW BRIDGE?

719
00:25:26,065 --> 00:25:28,333
>> WE BELIEVE THERE WILL BE NEW

720
00:25:28,401 --> 00:25:29,134
BRIDGE.

721
00:25:29,202 --> 00:25:32,037
WE BELIEVE WHAT THEY DID, GO TO

722
00:25:32,105 --> 00:25:33,905
CONGRESS AND GET A FRANCHISE AND

723
00:25:33,973 --> 00:25:39,444
TO A PRIVATE COMPANIES.

724
00:25:39,512 --> 00:25:41,880
LET'S NOT USE FEDERAL MONEY.

725
00:25:41,947 --> 00:25:43,315
>> Tim: THAT IS NOT GOING TO

726
00:25:43,383 --> 00:25:43,648
HAPPEN?

727
00:25:43,716 --> 00:25:45,817
>> THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

728
00:25:45,885 --> 00:25:48,320
>> Tim: THANK YOU, SIR.

729
00:25:48,421 --> 00:25:50,022
OUR THANKS TO PAUL, RICK AND

730
00:25:50,123 --> 00:25:50,755
CHAD.

731
00:25:50,823 --> 00:25:52,857
DON'T FORGET OUR E-MAIL ADDRESS

732
00:25:52,925 --> 00:25:54,792
AND DON'T FORGET WE'RE ON

733
00:25:54,860 --> 00:25:57,362
TWITTER AND WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT

734
00:25:57,463 --> 00:26:02,400
WEEK ON "OFF THE RECORD."

735
00:26:02,467 --> 00:26:03,600
¶

736
00:26:03,668 --> 00:26:08,805
¶

737
00:26:08,873 --> 00:26:09,507
¶

738
00:26:09,574 --> 00:26:13,144
¶

739
00:26:13,211 --> 00:26:13,810
¶

740
00:26:13,878 --> 00:26:18,649
¶

741
00:26:18,650 --> 00:26:22,650