1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:04,966 . 2 00:00:04,966 --> 00:00:06,700 TIM: WELCOME BACK TO THE STATE 3 00:00:06,700 --> 00:00:08,500 BUDGET WRAP-UP EDITION OF "OFF 4 00:00:08,500 --> 00:00:09,333 THE RECORD." 5 00:00:09,333 --> 00:00:10,966 LEAD STORY, RECORD 81 BILLION 6 00:00:10,966 --> 00:00:12,766 OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS GOING INTO 7 00:00:12,766 --> 00:00:15,100 LOTS OF STATE PROGRAMS. 8 00:00:15,100 --> 00:00:18,900 ON THE OTR PANEL, DAVE BOUCHER, 9 00:00:18,900 --> 00:00:20,033 ZOE CLARK AND BILL BALLENGER 10 00:00:20,033 --> 00:00:25,466 SITTING WITH US AS WE GET THE 11 00:00:25,466 --> 00:00:27,533 INSIDE-OUT, OFF THE RECORD. 12 00:00:27,533 --> 00:00:29,100 ANNOUNCER: PRODUCTION OF "OFF 13 00:00:29,100 --> 00:00:29,866 THE RECORD" IS MADE POSSIBLE IN 14 00:00:29,866 --> 00:00:38,933 PART BY -- 15 00:00:38,933 --> 00:00:41,966 AND NOW, THIS EDITION OF "OFF 16 00:00:41,966 --> 00:00:43,466 THE RECORD" WITH TIM SKUBICK. 17 00:00:43,466 --> 00:00:44,233 TIM: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 18 00:00:44,233 --> 00:00:46,200 WELCOME BACK TO STUDIO C ON 19 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,533 THIS, WHAT IS IT? 20 00:00:48,533 --> 00:00:50,666 THE LEGISLATURE IS GONE! 21 00:00:50,666 --> 00:00:51,266 >> IT'S JULY. 22 00:00:51,266 --> 00:00:53,266 >> THEY LEFT BEHIND A LOT OF 23 00:00:53,266 --> 00:00:55,000 BUDGET SPENDING. 24 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,433 81 BILLION BUCKS, WHERE IS YOUR 25 00:00:57,433 --> 00:00:58,133 MONEY GOING? 26 00:00:58,133 --> 00:00:59,500 >> SOMEBODY JOKED LAST NIGHT IT 27 00:00:59,500 --> 00:01:01,300 WAS CHRISTMAS IN JULY AS 28 00:01:01,300 --> 00:01:03,033 LAWMAKERS DOLED OUT TAX DOLLARS 29 00:01:03,033 --> 00:01:05,133 TO THE TUNE OF 81 BILLION AND 30 00:01:05,133 --> 00:01:05,766 LOOSE CHANGE. 31 00:01:05,766 --> 00:01:07,900 HERE'S A PARTIAL LIST OF THE 32 00:01:07,900 --> 00:01:09,333 ITEMS ON THE 1600 PAGE STATE 33 00:01:09,333 --> 00:01:10,800 BUDGET COMPILED BY THE 34 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:11,733 GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. 35 00:01:11,733 --> 00:01:13,333 SHE AND THE SPECIAL INTEREST 36 00:01:13,333 --> 00:01:14,966 GROUPS THAT GOT A BIG CHUNK OF 37 00:01:14,966 --> 00:01:17,500 THE SPENDING APPLAUDED THE 38 00:01:17,500 --> 00:01:18,800 FIRST DEMOCRATICALLY CONTROLLED 39 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,366 STATE BUDGET IN 40 YEARS. 40 00:01:21,366 --> 00:01:22,600 SCHOOLKIDS WILL DIVVY UP PART 41 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,633 OF A $24.3 BILLION STATE 42 00:01:25,633 --> 00:01:26,800 FUNDING PROGRAM FOR PUBLIC 43 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,366 SCHOOLS, INCLUDING 160 MILLION 44 00:01:30,366 --> 00:01:31,933 FOR LUNCH AND BREAKFAST 45 00:01:31,933 --> 00:01:34,033 PROGRAM, 320 MILLION TO BEEF UP 46 00:01:34,033 --> 00:01:35,700 SCHOOL SECURITY AND OTHER 47 00:01:35,700 --> 00:01:38,433 INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAMS. 48 00:01:38,433 --> 00:01:45,166 5,600 PRESCHOOLKIDS GET FREE 49 00:01:45,166 --> 00:01:46,433 PRESCHOOL EDUCATION. 50 00:01:46,433 --> 00:01:47,666 REPUBLICANS DID NOT VOTE FOR 51 00:01:47,666 --> 00:01:50,700 THE PACKAGE INCLUDING $9,700 52 00:01:50,700 --> 00:01:52,566 FOR EVERY SCHOOLKID ON THE 53 00:01:52,566 --> 00:01:52,833 STATE. 54 00:01:52,833 --> 00:01:54,300 ON ANOTHER FRONT, INCREASE IN 55 00:01:54,300 --> 00:01:57,633 HIGHER EDUCATION OF $112 56 00:01:57,633 --> 00:01:59,866 MILLION TO BEEF UP SECURITY ON 57 00:01:59,866 --> 00:02:00,233 CAMPUSES. 58 00:02:00,233 --> 00:02:02,166 $3 MILLION TO IMPLEMENT GUN 59 00:02:02,166 --> 00:02:03,700 VIOLENCE PROTECTION PROGRAMS 60 00:02:03,700 --> 00:02:05,766 AND THE STATE WILL TRAIN 61 00:02:05,766 --> 00:02:07,433 HOPEFULLY 50 NEW STATE POLICE 62 00:02:07,433 --> 00:02:08,933 OFFICERS AND BUY $14 MILLION 63 00:02:08,933 --> 00:02:10,633 WORTH OF BODY CAMERAS FOR 64 00:02:10,633 --> 00:02:12,133 PRISON CORRECTION OFFICERS. 65 00:02:12,133 --> 00:02:15,100 LAWMAKERS APPROVED $950 MILLION 66 00:02:15,100 --> 00:02:17,200 FOR PET PROJECTS, SOME CALL IT 67 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:18,700 PORK BARREL SPENDING. 68 00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:20,200 >> CAN'T FACE MY NEIGHBORS AND 69 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:21,900 EXPLAIN WHY THEY NEED TO PAY 70 00:02:21,900 --> 00:02:23,433 FOR COLLEGE, CHILD CARE AND 71 00:02:23,433 --> 00:02:26,633 CHILD DELIVERY COSTS WHILE 72 00:02:26,633 --> 00:02:31,633 PRISONERS WILL BE AFFORDED FREE 73 00:02:31,633 --> 00:02:34,133 TUITION ON A POET LAUREATE WHO 74 00:02:34,133 --> 00:02:35,600 DOES I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT. 75 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,100 TIM: THE BULK OF THE 81 BILLION 76 00:02:38,100 --> 00:02:39,066 SHE'LL SIGN. 77 00:02:39,066 --> 00:02:41,800 THAT'S ABOUT 9,000 BUCKS FOR 78 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,066 EVERY PERSON IN OUR STATE. 79 00:02:43,066 --> 00:02:46,533 TIM: ALL RIGHT, SO GREAT PANEL 80 00:02:46,533 --> 00:02:48,133 ON THIS SPARKLING 4th OF JULY 81 00:02:48,133 --> 00:02:48,366 WEEKEND. 82 00:02:48,366 --> 00:02:50,033 A SPIFFY HEADLINE OUT OF THE 83 00:02:50,033 --> 00:02:51,033 BUDGET, DAVID. 84 00:02:51,033 --> 00:02:53,066 >> HISTORIC, BIPARTISAN BUDGET 85 00:02:53,066 --> 00:02:53,833 HIGHLIGHTS DEMOCRATIC NEEDS. 86 00:02:53,833 --> 00:02:55,600 >> IF YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY 87 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,233 POOL, YOU'RE DOING REALLY WELL. 88 00:02:58,233 --> 00:02:58,500 [LAUGHTER] 89 00:02:58,500 --> 00:03:00,133 >> YOU'LL HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT. 90 00:03:00,133 --> 00:03:03,266 DON'T TURN OFF YET, OKAY, 91 00:03:03,266 --> 00:03:03,733 FOLKS? 92 00:03:03,733 --> 00:03:04,900 >> DEMOCRATS IN CHARGE, REMAIN 93 00:03:04,900 --> 00:03:07,133 IN CHARGE AND ACTING LIKE 94 00:03:07,133 --> 00:03:08,333 THEY'RE IN CHARGE. 95 00:03:08,333 --> 00:03:11,166 >> SOME REPUBLICAN APPLAUSE FOR 96 00:03:11,166 --> 00:03:12,300 DEMOCRAT STATE BUDGET. 97 00:03:12,300 --> 00:03:15,633 TIM: HOUSE REPUBLICANS BLOW IT 98 00:03:15,633 --> 00:03:17,266 ON SCHOOL AID BILL. 99 00:03:17,266 --> 00:03:18,500 >> I LIKE THAT. 100 00:03:18,500 --> 00:03:20,600 >> IT STILL PASSED AND PASSED 101 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:21,100 WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT. 102 00:03:21,100 --> 00:03:22,700 TIM: YOU TELL ME, PLEASE, HOW 103 00:03:22,700 --> 00:03:25,400 CAN A REPUBLICAN WHO VOTED NO 104 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:30,366 ON THE SCHOOL AID BUDGET, $9700 105 00:03:30,366 --> 00:03:32,266 CALL FOLKS AND SAY I VOTED NO 106 00:03:32,266 --> 00:03:34,133 ON THAT, DAVID. 107 00:03:34,133 --> 00:03:35,333 CAN THEY DO THAT? 108 00:03:35,333 --> 00:03:36,933 >> THE OPPOSITION FROM SOME 109 00:03:36,933 --> 00:03:38,866 HOUSE REPUBLICANS IS FOCUSED ON 110 00:03:38,866 --> 00:03:40,466 THE SCHOOL MEAL PROGRAM, AND 111 00:03:40,466 --> 00:03:42,533 PROGRAM TO ALLOCATE $125 112 00:03:42,533 --> 00:03:43,500 MILLION FOR QUOTE, UNQUOTE 113 00:03:43,500 --> 00:03:44,600 CLEAN BUSES. 114 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,433 A LOT OF PUSHBACK ON THE IDEA 115 00:03:46,433 --> 00:03:48,233 THAT BUSES, LIKE ELECTRIC BUSES 116 00:03:48,233 --> 00:03:51,033 DON'T WORK, AND COSTLY AND NOT 117 00:03:51,033 --> 00:03:51,966 GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE. 118 00:03:51,966 --> 00:03:56,266 TIM: I'M VOTING NO ON $9700 FOR 119 00:03:56,266 --> 00:03:56,600 PUPILS. 120 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,200 >> SEEING PEOPLE VOTE NO FOR 121 00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:59,800 SMALL OR LARGE REASONS. 122 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,300 ON THE SCHOOL MEALS, SEEN 123 00:04:01,300 --> 00:04:02,766 PUSHBACK ON THE IDEA THAT 124 00:04:02,766 --> 00:04:04,333 FAMILIES THAT AFFORD MEALS ARE 125 00:04:04,333 --> 00:04:06,766 GETTING FREE MEALS. 126 00:04:06,766 --> 00:04:08,900 $160 MILLION IN A MASSIVE 127 00:04:08,900 --> 00:04:09,200 BUDGET. 128 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,400 THOSE ARE TWO POINTS PUSHING 129 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:13,200 BACK ON THE BUDGET. 130 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:14,866 >> THERE'S ONE MORE VOTE ON THE 131 00:04:14,866 --> 00:04:16,200 SCHOOL AID BUDGET BEFORE THE 132 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,166 NEXT ELECTION, RIGHT? 133 00:04:19,166 --> 00:04:23,033 SO BY NEXT YEAR -- 134 00:04:23,033 --> 00:04:23,500 >> THEMSELVES? 135 00:04:23,500 --> 00:04:24,933 >> TALKING POINTS WHAT YOU NEED 136 00:04:24,933 --> 00:04:25,900 TO USE. 137 00:04:25,900 --> 00:04:27,133 THE BUDGET GOT DONE WITH 138 00:04:27,133 --> 00:04:27,966 IMMEDIATE EFFECT. 139 00:04:27,966 --> 00:04:29,100 SCHOOLS AND UNIVERSITIES BY 140 00:04:29,100 --> 00:04:30,866 JULY 1 KNOW WHAT THE MONEY IS 141 00:04:30,866 --> 00:04:32,300 GOING TO BE, AND LET'S DECIDE 142 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:34,966 IN A FEW MONTHS IS THAT WHAT 143 00:04:34,966 --> 00:04:37,000 FOLKS ARE TALKING ABOUT 144 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:37,266 ANYMORE? 145 00:04:37,266 --> 00:04:40,433 >> WE'LL SEE HOW THIS PLAYS IN 146 00:04:40,433 --> 00:04:41,400 MARGINAL DISTRICTS AND THERE 147 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,633 ARE MORE OF THEM NOW BECAUSE OF 148 00:04:43,633 --> 00:04:43,966 REDISTRICTING. 149 00:04:43,966 --> 00:04:47,166 THE VOTES WILL PLAY WELL WITH 150 00:04:47,166 --> 00:04:49,333 THEIR COUNTY REPUBLICAN 151 00:04:49,333 --> 00:04:50,400 EXECUTIVE COMMITTEES. 152 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:51,700 TIM: BUT THEY DON'T VOTE? 153 00:04:51,700 --> 00:04:54,133 >> WELL, THEY DO AND THEY PLAY 154 00:04:54,133 --> 00:04:56,166 A BIG DEAL IN NOMINATING PEOPLE 155 00:04:56,166 --> 00:04:57,633 TO GO BEFORE VOTERS. 156 00:04:57,633 --> 00:05:00,366 TIM: I'M GOING TO GUESS HOUSE 157 00:05:00,366 --> 00:05:01,966 SPEAKER JOE TATE DISCUSSED THE 158 00:05:01,966 --> 00:05:03,633 ISSUE OF RUNNING COMMERCIALS AT 159 00:05:03,633 --> 00:05:04,466 SWING DISTRICTS. 160 00:05:04,466 --> 00:05:07,600 >> I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THAT BET. 161 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:08,933 TIM: THAT MR. TISDALE IS THE 162 00:05:08,933 --> 00:05:10,833 ONLY ONE WHO VOTED YES ON THIS 163 00:05:10,833 --> 00:05:11,166 THING. 164 00:05:11,166 --> 00:05:12,633 THEY'RE GOING TO RUN AN AD AND 165 00:05:12,633 --> 00:05:14,133 SAY THEY HAD A CHANCE TO 166 00:05:14,133 --> 00:05:16,733 SUPPORT YOUR SCHOOLKID AND THEY 167 00:05:16,733 --> 00:05:16,966 WALKED. 168 00:05:16,966 --> 00:05:18,866 >> IF A REPUBLICAN LEGISLATOR 169 00:05:18,866 --> 00:05:20,400 CAN'T EXPLAIN HIS NO VOTE ON 170 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,566 THE BILL, HE OR SHE DOESN'T 171 00:05:22,566 --> 00:05:24,966 DESERVE TO BE RE-ELECTED. 172 00:05:24,966 --> 00:05:25,933 DEMOCRATS HAVE VOTED NO ON 173 00:05:25,933 --> 00:05:27,366 SCHOOL AID BILLS BEFORE, AND 174 00:05:27,366 --> 00:05:29,100 THEY'VE BEEN BIG, AND THEY HAD 175 00:05:29,100 --> 00:05:30,766 THEIR REASONS AND REPUBLICANS 176 00:05:30,766 --> 00:05:32,066 DO HAVE REASONS AND THEY CAN 177 00:05:32,066 --> 00:05:32,733 EXPLAIN THEM. 178 00:05:32,733 --> 00:05:35,500 WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU EVER 179 00:05:35,500 --> 00:05:37,466 SAW A REPUBLICAN LEGISLATOR 180 00:05:37,466 --> 00:05:40,133 DEFEATED BECAUSE HE VOTED NO OR 181 00:05:40,133 --> 00:05:42,900 SHE VOTED NO ON THE SCHOOL AID 182 00:05:42,900 --> 00:05:43,133 BUDGET. 183 00:05:43,133 --> 00:05:44,466 TIM: WE'VE NEVER SEEN A FOCUSED 184 00:05:44,466 --> 00:05:47,166 ATTEMPT TO DO THAT AS THE 185 00:05:47,166 --> 00:05:50,133 DEMOCRATS HANG ON BY THEIR 186 00:05:50,133 --> 00:05:51,033 THUMBNAILS TO KEEP CONTROL? 187 00:05:51,033 --> 00:05:51,766 >> HE'LL TRY. 188 00:05:51,766 --> 00:05:54,233 >> TO BILL'S POINT, THAT'S THE 189 00:05:54,233 --> 00:05:56,233 FASCINATING PART OF ALL OF 190 00:05:56,233 --> 00:05:56,433 THIS. 191 00:05:56,433 --> 00:05:57,533 THE FIRST ALL-DEMOCRATIC BUDGET 192 00:05:57,533 --> 00:05:59,866 IN 40 YEARS, WE DON'T HAVE A 193 00:05:59,866 --> 00:06:02,466 LOT OF HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE OF 194 00:06:02,466 --> 00:06:05,666 REPUBLICANS VOTING NO ON AN 195 00:06:05,666 --> 00:06:07,200 ALL-DEMOCRATIC BILL. 196 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,533 >> AND WE HAVE CERTAINLY SEEN 197 00:06:09,533 --> 00:06:12,033 SPECIFIC VOTES USED IN 198 00:06:12,033 --> 00:06:14,233 CAMPAIGNS TO UNSEAT INCUMBENTS 199 00:06:14,233 --> 00:06:15,533 SUCCESSFULLY USED. 200 00:06:15,533 --> 00:06:16,966 TIM: WELL, ABSOLUTELY. 201 00:06:16,966 --> 00:06:17,800 >> DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE 202 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,233 SCHOOL AID, IT'S LOTS OF BILLS. 203 00:06:21,233 --> 00:06:24,100 TIM: BILLS, I'M SURPRISED BY 204 00:06:24,100 --> 00:06:27,300 YOU, YOU ARE SANGUINE ABOUT THE 205 00:06:27,300 --> 00:06:29,000 WHOLE THING. 206 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,766 >> SARAH LEITNER AND LEAD 207 00:06:31,766 --> 00:06:34,633 REPUBLICAN IN THE HOUSE, JOHN 208 00:06:34,633 --> 00:06:34,933 BALMSTED. 209 00:06:34,933 --> 00:06:35,600 TIM: THEY VOTED YES. 210 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,966 >> THEY APPLAUDED THE BUDGET 211 00:06:37,966 --> 00:06:38,200 OVERALL. 212 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,000 I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE 213 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,333 THE DIVISION REPUBLICAN THE 214 00:06:41,333 --> 00:06:43,500 REPUBLICAN PARTY, AGAIN, AS ZOE 215 00:06:43,500 --> 00:06:45,433 JUST POINTED OUT, THIS IS THE 216 00:06:45,433 --> 00:06:48,266 FIRST TIME YOU'VE SEEN AN 217 00:06:48,266 --> 00:06:50,533 ALL-DEMOCRATIC BUDGET IN 40 218 00:06:50,533 --> 00:06:52,100 YEARS, SO WE'RE A NEW 219 00:06:52,100 --> 00:06:52,400 TERRITORY. 220 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:53,833 POLITICIANS BEING WHAT THEY ARE 221 00:06:53,833 --> 00:06:56,000 AND LOOKING AT THE PAST, THIS 222 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,600 IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE 223 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,500 EXPLAINED BY THE CANDIDATES ON 224 00:07:00,500 --> 00:07:02,666 THE GROUND AND, AS ZOE POINTED 225 00:07:02,666 --> 00:07:04,100 OUT, ANOTHER BUDGET NEXT YEAR. 226 00:07:04,100 --> 00:07:05,500 >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO 227 00:07:05,500 --> 00:07:07,133 NOTE, WE'VE SEEN FOR YEAR, LOTS 228 00:07:07,133 --> 00:07:08,633 OF PEOPLE, NOT JUST 229 00:07:08,633 --> 00:07:09,333 REPUBLICANS, POINT OUT THEY 230 00:07:09,333 --> 00:07:11,100 DON'T THINK THERE IS A 231 00:07:11,100 --> 00:07:12,233 CORRELATION WITH MONEY GOING TO 232 00:07:12,233 --> 00:07:13,333 DISTRICTS AND HIGHER 233 00:07:13,333 --> 00:07:14,866 EDUCATIONAL OUTCOMES. 234 00:07:14,866 --> 00:07:15,233 RIGHT? 235 00:07:15,233 --> 00:07:16,200 WE'VE SEEN REPUBLICANS TALK 236 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,700 ABOUT VOUCHERS OR CHARTERS OR 237 00:07:18,700 --> 00:07:20,800 IDEAS THAT GO BEYOND WHAT 238 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:21,400 OPPONENTS CONSIDER THROWING 239 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:22,600 MONEY AT SOMETHING. 240 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,200 IF WE'RE HERE NEXT YEAR AND SEE 241 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,300 TEST SCORES THAT AREN'T BETTER, 242 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:28,066 YOU CAN SEE HOUSE REPUBLICANS 243 00:07:28,066 --> 00:07:29,433 SAY SEE, I DIDN'T WANT TO DO 244 00:07:29,433 --> 00:07:29,833 THIS. 245 00:07:29,833 --> 00:07:31,700 I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT 246 00:07:31,700 --> 00:07:33,900 PROGRAMS, NOT JUST GIVING MORE 247 00:07:33,900 --> 00:07:34,966 MONEY PER STUDENT. 248 00:07:34,966 --> 00:07:36,300 THAT'S SPECULATION, AND COULD 249 00:07:36,300 --> 00:07:37,900 SEE MASSIVE IMPROVEMENTS, 250 00:07:37,900 --> 00:07:38,166 RIGHT? 251 00:07:38,166 --> 00:07:40,400 WE'VE ABSOLUTELY HEARD LOTS OF 252 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:41,433 PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE 253 00:07:41,433 --> 00:07:42,866 DIVERGENCE BETWEEN FUNDING AND 254 00:07:42,866 --> 00:07:43,166 OUTCOMES. 255 00:07:43,166 --> 00:07:44,366 >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT 256 00:07:44,366 --> 00:07:47,766 STRUCK ME LISTENING TO SARAH 257 00:07:47,766 --> 00:07:49,600 LEITNER'S COMMENTS WAS, YOU GO 258 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,766 BACK TO THE DAYS BEFORE TERM 259 00:07:52,766 --> 00:07:53,033 LIMITS. 260 00:07:53,033 --> 00:07:54,366 WE'RE TALKING -- 261 00:07:54,366 --> 00:07:55,700 TIM: SHE IS THE RANKING 262 00:07:55,700 --> 00:07:57,066 REPUBLICAN ON THE 263 00:07:57,066 --> 00:07:58,000 APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. 264 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,333 >> WHO PUBLICLY PRAISED THE 265 00:08:00,333 --> 00:08:02,333 PROCESS SAYING THAT DEMOCRATS 266 00:08:02,333 --> 00:08:04,300 DI BRING REPUBLICANS IN, WHICH 267 00:08:04,300 --> 00:08:08,733 WAS THE OPPOSITE MESSAGING -- 268 00:08:08,733 --> 00:08:11,200 >> WILDERNESS ON THAT. 269 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:12,300 >> THE OPPOSITE FROM THE 270 00:08:12,300 --> 00:08:13,833 REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP, BUT 271 00:08:13,833 --> 00:08:16,833 THERE WAS A TIME, DURING TIGHT 272 00:08:16,833 --> 00:08:18,066 MAJORITIES WHERE THERE WERE 273 00:08:18,066 --> 00:08:19,866 SORT OF THREE CAUCUSES, 274 00:08:19,866 --> 00:08:20,800 ESPECIALLY ON THE HOUSE SIDE, 275 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,266 WHICH WAS REPUBLICANS, 276 00:08:22,266 --> 00:08:24,100 DEMOCRATS AND APPROPRIATIONS. 277 00:08:24,100 --> 00:08:27,033 AND APPROPRIATIONS IS, WHERE 278 00:08:27,033 --> 00:08:28,266 THE DEALS WERE MADE. 279 00:08:28,266 --> 00:08:29,900 TIM: THERE WAS ALSO A TIME WHEN 280 00:08:29,900 --> 00:08:32,900 THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ON 281 00:08:32,900 --> 00:08:35,300 APPROPRIATIONS SAID TO THE 282 00:08:35,300 --> 00:08:37,500 BODY, THIS IS A GOOD PIECE OF 283 00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:39,933 LEGISLATION, AND WHAT WOULD 284 00:08:39,933 --> 00:08:41,666 EVERYBODY DO? 285 00:08:41,666 --> 00:08:41,833 AYE. 286 00:08:41,833 --> 00:08:43,000 THOSE TIMES ARE GONE, IN THE 287 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,366 REPUBLICAN CAUCUS, THEY HAVE A 288 00:08:44,366 --> 00:08:47,133 MIND OF THEIR OWN, DON'T 289 00:08:47,133 --> 00:08:49,233 CONFUSE ME WITH THE FACTS, MY 290 00:08:49,233 --> 00:08:53,500 MIND IS MADE UP, SOME WOULD 291 00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:53,733 ARGUE. 292 00:08:53,733 --> 00:08:57,166 >> THERE IS THE CAUCUS, THE 293 00:08:57,166 --> 00:08:59,633 MATT MADDUX WHO IS ALLERGIC TO 294 00:08:59,633 --> 00:09:00,533 WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST, 295 00:09:00,533 --> 00:09:01,733 WHICH IS A BUDGET HAPPENS, 296 00:09:01,733 --> 00:09:03,400 WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, YOU 297 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,100 VOTE FOR IT, AND THAT'S WHAT 298 00:09:05,100 --> 00:09:06,300 YOU DO BECAUSE THE FULL FAITH 299 00:09:06,300 --> 00:09:08,466 AND CREDIT OF THE STATE OF 300 00:09:08,466 --> 00:09:09,866 MICHIGAN AND THE ECONOM AND, 301 00:09:09,866 --> 00:09:12,466 ET CETERA, ET CETERA, BUT THAT 302 00:09:12,466 --> 00:09:15,300 IS THIS MODERN-DAY POLITICS, 303 00:09:15,300 --> 00:09:16,933 WHICH WE FIND OURSELVES IN 304 00:09:16,933 --> 00:09:17,333 2023. 305 00:09:17,333 --> 00:09:18,566 THAT'S NOT SIMPLY ONLY IN THE 306 00:09:18,566 --> 00:09:20,466 HOUSE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS IN 307 00:09:20,466 --> 00:09:20,766 MICHIGAN. 308 00:09:20,766 --> 00:09:23,033 THAT'S ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 309 00:09:23,033 --> 00:09:24,333 >> LOOK AT SPLIT BETWEEN THE 310 00:09:24,333 --> 00:09:27,033 LEADERSHIP IN BOTH THE HOUSE 311 00:09:27,033 --> 00:09:29,666 AND SENATE AND THE 312 00:09:29,666 --> 00:09:31,900 APPROPRIATION COMMITTEE HEADS. 313 00:09:31,900 --> 00:09:34,400 THE LAST OF IT, HE APPOINTED 314 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,300 SARAH LEITNER, SHE APPLAUDS IT. 315 00:09:37,300 --> 00:09:39,500 OVER IN THE SENATE, I HAVEN'T 316 00:09:39,500 --> 00:09:42,533 SEEN ANYTHING FROM ERIC 317 00:09:42,533 --> 00:09:43,233 NESBITT. 318 00:09:43,233 --> 00:09:45,100 BALMSTED, HE CAME OUT AND SAID 319 00:09:45,100 --> 00:09:46,666 THERE WERE A LOT OF GOOD 320 00:09:46,666 --> 00:09:48,600 REPUBLICAN IDEAS IN THIS THING, 321 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,366 AND IT ISN'T BAD. 322 00:09:50,366 --> 00:09:52,300 TIM: MORE SUPPORT IN THE SENATE 323 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:54,633 FOR THE K-12 BUDGET THAN THERE 324 00:09:54,633 --> 00:09:55,200 WAS IN THE HOUSE. 325 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,200 >> WE HEAR THIS EVERY YEAR AND 326 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,100 REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP SAY 327 00:10:02,100 --> 00:10:03,700 DEMOCRATS, RANK AND FILE 328 00:10:03,700 --> 00:10:04,866 LAWMAKERS HAVE HOURS TO REVIEW 329 00:10:04,866 --> 00:10:06,466 HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF 330 00:10:06,466 --> 00:10:09,066 PAGES AND ASKED TO VOTE ON IT. 331 00:10:09,066 --> 00:10:10,866 AND HEARD THE SAME COMPLAINT 332 00:10:10,866 --> 00:10:12,366 FROM HOUSE REPUBLICANS THIS 333 00:10:12,366 --> 00:10:13,166 TIME AROUND. 334 00:10:13,166 --> 00:10:15,833 I THINK ALL OF US, AND CITIZENS 335 00:10:15,833 --> 00:10:17,800 CAN RELATE TO THE IDEA, THAT IF 336 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,433 YOU'RE ASKED TO MAKE A BIG 337 00:10:19,433 --> 00:10:20,600 DECISION ON BILLIONS OF DOLLARS 338 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,800 AND YOU AREN'T PART OF THE 339 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,400 PROCESS OR AT LEAST NOT ON THE 340 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:25,900 INSIDE UNTIL AN HOUR LATER, YOU 341 00:10:25,900 --> 00:10:27,600 CAN HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. 342 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,266 I THINK CITIZENS ARE COMPLETELY 343 00:10:29,266 --> 00:10:30,433 RIGHT IN THESE AREAS TO SAY 344 00:10:30,433 --> 00:10:32,233 THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, 345 00:10:32,233 --> 00:10:32,466 RIGHT? 346 00:10:32,466 --> 00:10:33,933 YOU TRUST YOUR LAWMAKER TO KNOW 347 00:10:33,933 --> 00:10:36,166 WHAT'S GOING ON IN LANSING. 348 00:10:36,166 --> 00:10:37,900 IF THE LAWMAKER GETS AN HOUR 349 00:10:37,900 --> 00:10:40,933 AND A HALF TO READ A 1600-PAGE 350 00:10:40,933 --> 00:10:41,733 BILL, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THERE'S 351 00:10:41,733 --> 00:10:42,466 A PROBLEM WITH THAT. 352 00:10:42,466 --> 00:10:44,033 TIM: FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WORKED 353 00:10:44,033 --> 00:10:44,700 ON THE BUDGET. 354 00:10:44,700 --> 00:10:46,866 >> IT'S COMPLETELY FAIR TO NOT 355 00:10:46,866 --> 00:10:49,666 WANT LAWMAKER TO DEFER, YOU 356 00:10:49,666 --> 00:10:51,000 WANT THEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S 357 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:51,700 IN THE BUDGET. 358 00:10:51,700 --> 00:10:53,400 >> AND LOTS OF POLICY MAKING IN 359 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,100 THE LEGISLATURE, DO YOU, AS A 360 00:10:57,100 --> 00:10:59,066 PRACTICAL MATTER, HAVE TO DEFER 361 00:10:59,066 --> 00:11:00,933 TO YOUR POINT PEOPLE ON 362 00:11:00,933 --> 00:11:02,200 PARTICULAR ISSUES AND THE 363 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:03,533 EXPECTATION IS THAT LEADERSHIP 364 00:11:03,533 --> 00:11:05,866 ARE GOING TO APPOINT PEOPLE TO 365 00:11:05,866 --> 00:11:07,700 COMMITTEES AND LEADERSHIP 366 00:11:07,700 --> 00:11:11,200 POSITIONS WHO ARE GOING TO GIVE 367 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,433 ADVICE TO THE CAUCUS THAT 368 00:11:12,433 --> 00:11:17,000 MATCHES THE DESIRES OF THE 369 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:17,233 CAUCUS. 370 00:11:17,233 --> 00:11:18,700 TIM: DREAMER. 371 00:11:18,700 --> 00:11:21,433 >> THAT IS THE WAY IT WORKS 372 00:11:21,433 --> 00:11:21,800 HISTORICALLY. 373 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,266 TIM: DREAMER. 374 00:11:23,266 --> 00:11:23,566 [ LAUGHTER ] 375 00:11:23,566 --> 00:11:25,700 >> INTERESTING STORY. 376 00:11:25,700 --> 00:11:27,666 DONALD TRUMP WAS IN OUR STATE 377 00:11:27,666 --> 00:11:31,033 IN NOVI AND BEAT THE HECK OUT 378 00:11:31,033 --> 00:11:33,133 OF THE EV ISSUE. 379 00:11:33,133 --> 00:11:35,466 TURNS OUT STRANGE BED PARTNERS, 380 00:11:35,466 --> 00:11:37,700 DONALD TRUMP ON THE SAME PAGE 381 00:11:37,700 --> 00:11:41,500 AS THE PRESIDENT ON THE UAW, 382 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:41,833 EXPLAIN. 383 00:11:41,833 --> 00:11:44,433 >> TRYING TO PEEL OFF RANK AND 384 00:11:44,433 --> 00:11:46,233 FILE, BLUE COLLAR WORKERS. 385 00:11:46,233 --> 00:11:49,433 TIM: YOU MEAN HE'S PATTERNING 386 00:11:49,433 --> 00:11:50,233 FOR VOTES? 387 00:11:50,233 --> 00:11:53,100 >> ABSOLUTELY, AND HE'S 388 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:53,400 SUCCESSFUL. 389 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:54,833 TIM: THE UAW PRESIDENT IS 390 00:11:54,833 --> 00:11:56,766 SETTING UP A TEMPLATE TO GET 391 00:11:56,766 --> 00:11:59,433 MORE OUT OF THE COMPANIES. 392 00:11:59,433 --> 00:12:01,733 WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE STRANGE 393 00:12:01,733 --> 00:12:03,800 BEDFELLOWS THING? 394 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,900 >> IT HAPPENS AND DONALD TRUMP 395 00:12:05,900 --> 00:12:06,033 -- 396 00:12:06,033 --> 00:12:07,900 TIM: WAIT A MINUTE, MR. TRUMP 397 00:12:07,900 --> 00:12:09,600 WAS FOR EVs. 398 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:10,833 >> WELL, CONSISTENCY -- 399 00:12:10,833 --> 00:12:15,400 >> THAT'S BEFORE HE WAS AGAINST 400 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:15,666 THEM. 401 00:12:15,666 --> 00:12:17,533 TIM: LET ME WRITE THAT DOWN. 402 00:12:17,533 --> 00:12:17,766 YEP. 403 00:12:17,766 --> 00:12:19,100 >> PART OF DONALD TRUMP'S 404 00:12:19,100 --> 00:12:21,133 APPEAL IS TO BLUE COLLAR, TO 405 00:12:21,133 --> 00:12:23,466 BLUE COLLAR VOTERS. 406 00:12:23,466 --> 00:12:24,600 TIM: IS HE TRYING TO SCARE 407 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,233 THEM, Z? 408 00:12:26,233 --> 00:12:27,900 >> LOOK, THERE'S GALLUP POLLING 409 00:12:27,900 --> 00:12:30,666 THAT CAME OUT THAT SAYS 71% OF 410 00:12:30,666 --> 00:12:33,733 REPUBLICANS ABSOLUTELY SAY THEY 411 00:12:33,733 --> 00:12:35,233 WILL NEVER BUY AN EV. 412 00:12:35,233 --> 00:12:38,033 SO I MEAN I THINK IS IT 413 00:12:38,033 --> 00:12:38,666 PANDERING? 414 00:12:38,666 --> 00:12:39,166 SURE. 415 00:12:39,166 --> 00:12:41,533 IS IT THROWING RED MEAT TO THE 416 00:12:41,533 --> 00:12:41,866 BASE? 417 00:12:41,866 --> 00:12:43,033 SURE, THAT'S WHO HE'S GOING TO 418 00:12:43,033 --> 00:12:44,033 NEED TO TURN OUT. 419 00:12:44,033 --> 00:12:47,566 I REMIND YOU, IN THE AUDIENCE 420 00:12:47,566 --> 00:12:53,066 WAS A TUDOR DIXON, KRISTINA 421 00:12:53,066 --> 00:12:53,866 KARAMO. 422 00:12:53,866 --> 00:12:55,866 TIM: WHOSE NAME HE 423 00:12:55,866 --> 00:12:56,200 MISPRONOUNCED. 424 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,200 >> RIGHT, BACK IN OCTOBER 425 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,600 RALLYING FOR AND DIDN'T WIN. 426 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,300 YOU CAN GO AFTER THE BOUTIQUE 427 00:13:03,300 --> 00:13:04,333 ISSUES, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW 428 00:13:04,333 --> 00:13:06,633 HE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET 429 00:13:06,633 --> 00:13:08,966 ENOUGH FOLKS TO TURN OUT. 430 00:13:08,966 --> 00:13:11,500 >> HE'S NOT PAND ORG JUST TO 431 00:13:11,500 --> 00:13:14,666 THE BASE, HE'S PANDERING TO THE 432 00:13:14,666 --> 00:13:15,833 REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS WHOSE 433 00:13:15,833 --> 00:13:17,166 VOTES ARE FLEEING THE 434 00:13:17,166 --> 00:13:19,533 DEMOCRATIC PARTY BEGINNING IN 435 00:13:19,533 --> 00:13:19,733 2016. 436 00:13:19,733 --> 00:13:22,000 THAT'S WHY HE WON MICHIGAN AND 437 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,200 EVEN IN 2020, AND WANTS MORE OF 438 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:24,433 THEM. 439 00:13:24,433 --> 00:13:26,466 HE KNOWS THE TIDE IS GOING IN 440 00:13:26,466 --> 00:13:29,033 THAT DIRECTION FOR HIM, AND SO 441 00:13:29,033 --> 00:13:31,366 HE'S MILKING IT, AND HE CAME IN 442 00:13:31,366 --> 00:13:33,133 HERE AND SAID THIS IS GOING TO 443 00:13:33,133 --> 00:13:33,900 BE A DISASTER. 444 00:13:33,900 --> 00:13:34,700 TIM: LOST JOBS. 445 00:13:34,700 --> 00:13:36,033 >> LOST JOBS. 446 00:13:36,033 --> 00:13:37,200 THE ECONOMY. 447 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:38,900 HE SAID YOU WON'T BELIEVE HOW 448 00:13:38,900 --> 00:13:40,633 BAD IT'S GOING TO BE. 449 00:13:40,633 --> 00:13:42,100 >> I WOULD LOVE TO MEET THE 450 00:13:42,100 --> 00:13:43,733 VOTER WHO HASN'T MADE UP THEIR 451 00:13:43,733 --> 00:13:45,033 MIND ABOUT DONALD TRUMP. 452 00:13:45,033 --> 00:13:46,433 I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ONE 453 00:13:46,433 --> 00:13:48,200 VOTER IN AMERICA AND CERTAINLY 454 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,300 IN MICHIGAN WHO DOESN'T HAVE AN 455 00:13:50,300 --> 00:13:51,500 OPINION WHETHER OR NOT THEY 456 00:13:51,500 --> 00:13:52,700 WOULD VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP. 457 00:13:52,700 --> 00:13:53,833 DOESN'T MATTER WHAT HE THINKS 458 00:13:53,833 --> 00:13:56,333 ABOUT EVs, IF THERE'S A VOTER 459 00:13:56,333 --> 00:13:57,866 WHO MADE THEIR MIND BECAUSE OF 460 00:13:57,866 --> 00:13:59,866 OPPOSITION TO EVs, I WOULD LOVE 461 00:13:59,866 --> 00:14:01,100 TO TALK TO THEM. 462 00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:02,566 >> I WASTED FIVE MINUTES ON AN 463 00:14:02,566 --> 00:14:04,433 ISSUE THAT WAS IRREVEL? 464 00:14:04,433 --> 00:14:05,900 >> MONTHS OUT, AND HIS POSITION 465 00:14:05,900 --> 00:14:08,800 ON EVs, DO WE THINK THERE'S A 466 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,466 REPUBLICAN THAT IS LIKE, I 467 00:14:10,466 --> 00:14:12,200 WOULD VOTE FOR RON DeSANTIS, 468 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,000 BUT I HEARD HIM TALK ABOUT EVs. 469 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,233 THERE'S A MODERATE IN THE 470 00:14:17,233 --> 00:14:19,233 REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT FEELS THE 471 00:14:19,233 --> 00:14:20,466 WAY THEY FEEL ABOUT DONALD 472 00:14:20,466 --> 00:14:20,666 TRUMP. 473 00:14:20,666 --> 00:14:22,366 MAYBE THERE IS AN INDEPENDENT, 474 00:14:22,366 --> 00:14:23,866 MAYBE, UNDER A ROCK FOR EIGHT 475 00:14:23,866 --> 00:14:24,466 YEARS. 476 00:14:24,466 --> 00:14:27,866 I DOUBT IT, BUT MAYBE THERE IS. 477 00:14:27,866 --> 00:14:30,233 HE CAN'T MAKE A MARKED 478 00:14:30,233 --> 00:14:30,533 DIFFERENCE. 479 00:14:30,533 --> 00:14:32,666 >> CAN'T PICK UP ANY VOTES WITH 480 00:14:32,666 --> 00:14:33,300 THIS ISSUE? 481 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:35,133 >> 150,000 VOTES? 482 00:14:35,133 --> 00:14:37,666 THAT'S WHAT HE WOULD NEED IN 483 00:14:37,666 --> 00:14:38,000 MICHIGAN. 484 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,366 TIM: I CAN'T WAIT TO ASK MADAM 485 00:14:40,366 --> 00:14:41,533 GOVERNOR, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF 486 00:14:41,533 --> 00:14:44,933 THE UAW DUMPING ALL OVER YOUR 487 00:14:44,933 --> 00:14:46,300 EV STRATEGY, GOVERNOR? 488 00:14:46,300 --> 00:14:48,366 WHAT DOES SHE SAY? 489 00:14:48,366 --> 00:14:49,300 NEXT QUESTION? 490 00:14:49,300 --> 00:14:52,200 >> THAT MAY BE THE WAY THAT HE 491 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,066 FEELS ABOUT THIS, BUT IT IS THE 492 00:14:55,066 --> 00:14:56,466 FUTURE OF THE AUTOMOTIVE 493 00:14:56,466 --> 00:14:56,733 INDUSTRY. 494 00:14:56,733 --> 00:14:58,233 TIM: SHE HASN'T SAID THAT, AND 495 00:14:58,233 --> 00:15:00,333 MY GUESS IS IT'S GOING TO BE 496 00:15:00,333 --> 00:15:01,433 CRICKETS ON THIS ISSUE. 497 00:15:01,433 --> 00:15:03,100 >> I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE 498 00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:04,200 DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS 499 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:05,433 HAPPENING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS 500 00:15:05,433 --> 00:15:07,800 THAN THE ONES THAT WE SEE, BUT 501 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,666 I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF 502 00:15:10,666 --> 00:15:11,933 THE THINGS THAT I THINK 503 00:15:11,933 --> 00:15:13,500 AUTOMAKERS, THAT FOLKS WHO ARE 504 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:14,733 THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE OF 505 00:15:14,733 --> 00:15:17,100 MICHIGAN KNOW, IS THAT IF 506 00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:20,166 MICHIGAN IS GOING TO GET INTO 507 00:15:20,166 --> 00:15:21,800 THE ECONOMY AND THE 508 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:22,633 KNOWLEDGE-BASED ECONOMY THAT 509 00:15:22,633 --> 00:15:24,766 EVs ARE WHERE THE FUTURE IS 510 00:15:24,766 --> 00:15:25,333 GOING TO BE. 511 00:15:25,333 --> 00:15:27,466 AND THE ISSUE THAT THE UAW IS 512 00:15:27,466 --> 00:15:28,633 GRAPPLING WITH RIGHT NOW IS 513 00:15:28,633 --> 00:15:30,500 THERE ARE GOING TO BE JOBS THAT 514 00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:34,633 ARE LOST BECAUSE FEWER JOBS ARE 515 00:15:34,633 --> 00:15:36,700 NEEDED TO BUILD EVs. 516 00:15:36,700 --> 00:15:38,600 TIM: LESS PARTS, LESS PEOPLE. 517 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,733 >> ARE WE GOING TO TEACH THE 518 00:15:40,733 --> 00:15:43,333 NEXT GENERATION OF WORKERS HOW 519 00:15:43,333 --> 00:15:44,300 TO DO THE COMPUTER SYSTEMS AND 520 00:15:44,300 --> 00:15:46,833 THE CODING TO BUILD THE NEXT 521 00:15:46,833 --> 00:15:47,133 GENERATION. 522 00:15:47,133 --> 00:15:49,533 THAT'S WHAT SHE'S PUTTING HER 523 00:15:49,533 --> 00:15:50,500 EGGS IN THE BASKET ABOUT. 524 00:15:50,500 --> 00:15:51,433 >> I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. 525 00:15:51,433 --> 00:15:53,433 >> IF FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS 526 00:15:53,433 --> 00:15:56,700 FROM NOW, WE'RE NOT GOING DOWN 527 00:15:56,700 --> 00:15:58,066 THIS TRAIL OF STUFF THAT ZOE 528 00:15:58,066 --> 00:16:00,200 WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, THEN, 529 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,133 THE COMPLAINT IS GOING TO BE 530 00:16:02,133 --> 00:16:03,966 THAT THE STATE AND THE AUTO 531 00:16:03,966 --> 00:16:06,833 INDUSTRY WAS LEFT BEHIND 532 00:16:06,833 --> 00:16:08,033 BECAUSE THEY FELT A PLAN. 533 00:16:08,033 --> 00:16:09,633 >> IT'S HAPPENING, EITHER GET 534 00:16:09,633 --> 00:16:10,700 ON BOARD AND CREATE THE JOBS 535 00:16:10,700 --> 00:16:13,400 HERE TO DO IT OR LOSE OUT ON 536 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:13,666 THE JOBS. 537 00:16:13,666 --> 00:16:15,400 >> AND THE LAYOFFS FROM FORD, 538 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,000 FOR EXAMPLE, ARE FROM WHITE 539 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,666 COLLAR JOBS, AND IN ADDITION, 540 00:16:18,666 --> 00:16:21,033 TWO YEARS AGO AT MACKINAW, THE 541 00:16:21,033 --> 00:16:22,500 GOVERNOR AND FORD ANNOUNCED 542 00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:24,033 THEY'RE INVESTIGATE MORE THAN A 543 00:16:24,033 --> 00:16:25,566 BILLION DOLLARS IN FIVE PLANTS 544 00:16:25,566 --> 00:16:28,100 CREATING 3,000 JOBS, ALL OF THE 545 00:16:28,100 --> 00:16:30,633 JOBS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HOURLY 546 00:16:30,633 --> 00:16:30,933 JOBS. 547 00:16:30,933 --> 00:16:35,766 THERE'S AN IDEA THE TRANSITION, 548 00:16:35,766 --> 00:16:37,733 HAPPENING AT LEAST FROM FORD, 549 00:16:37,733 --> 00:16:39,633 IS FOCUSING ON GETTING SOME OF 550 00:16:39,633 --> 00:16:41,600 THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROBABLY 551 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,666 GOING TO BE UAW JOBS INTO THE 552 00:16:44,666 --> 00:16:45,000 PRODUCTION. 553 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:46,000 WHETHER THAT'S A LONG-TERM FIX 554 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,933 IS COMPLETELY FAIR TO TALK 555 00:16:47,933 --> 00:16:49,433 ABOUT, BUT AT LEAST, WHEN WE 556 00:16:49,433 --> 00:16:50,900 HEARD THE GOVERNOR TALK ABOUT 557 00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:52,800 THIS, TALKING ABOUT HOURLY JOBS 558 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,666 CONNECTED TO SOME OF THE 559 00:16:54,666 --> 00:16:54,933 PROJECTS. 560 00:16:54,933 --> 00:16:56,700 TIM: WE HAD THE SPECTOR OF YOUR 561 00:16:56,700 --> 00:16:57,566 PIECE ON THE PROBLEMS IN 562 00:16:57,566 --> 00:16:59,266 MARSHALL WHERE THE LOCALS SAY 563 00:16:59,266 --> 00:17:00,200 THANKS, BUT NO THANKS. 564 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,000 >> SURE, WE'VE SEEN THE 565 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,300 PUSHBACK, TO YOUR POINT, 566 00:17:03,300 --> 00:17:04,633 THERE'S A LAWSUIT FILED, A 567 00:17:04,633 --> 00:17:06,633 LITTLE CONVOLUTED BUT COMES 568 00:17:06,633 --> 00:17:07,666 DOWN TO THE IDEA WHETHER OR NOT 569 00:17:07,666 --> 00:17:09,666 LAND IN MARSHALL, WE CALL IT A 570 00:17:09,666 --> 00:17:11,566 MEGA SITE, THE MASSIVE SITES 571 00:17:11,566 --> 00:17:15,033 THAT ATTRACT BIG PLANTS LIKE 572 00:17:15,033 --> 00:17:16,800 THE BLUE OVAL BATTERY FACTORY, 573 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,800 WHETHER IT IS USED FOR 574 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,333 SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 575 00:17:20,333 --> 00:17:21,533 THIS COMMITTEE IN MARSHALL 576 00:17:21,533 --> 00:17:23,033 ARGUED THERE IS WIDESPREAD 577 00:17:23,033 --> 00:17:25,133 PUBLIC DISCORD AND THEY OPPOSE 578 00:17:25,133 --> 00:17:25,966 BRINGING IN SOMETHING LIKE 579 00:17:25,966 --> 00:17:27,633 THIS, DUE TO ENVIRONMENTAL 580 00:17:27,633 --> 00:17:29,566 CONCERNS OR BECAUSE THIS LAND 581 00:17:29,566 --> 00:17:31,000 HAS BEEN DEDICATED TO 582 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,500 AGRICULTURE AND NOW GOING TO BE 583 00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:35,700 A MASSIVE INDUSTRIAL FACTORY. 584 00:17:35,700 --> 00:17:37,066 LOCAL DEVELOPMENTAL OFFICIALS 585 00:17:37,066 --> 00:17:38,966 AND CITY OFFICIALS PUSH BACK, 586 00:17:38,966 --> 00:17:40,800 SO DOES THE STATE. 587 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,066 WE'VE SEEN SIMILAR PUSHBACK IN 588 00:17:43,066 --> 00:17:44,100 THE RAPIDS FACILITY. 589 00:17:44,100 --> 00:17:47,000 TIM: A RECALL IS UNDER WAY TO 590 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,366 GET RID OF THE PEOPLE THAT MADE 591 00:17:48,366 --> 00:17:48,933 THE DECISION. 592 00:17:48,933 --> 00:17:50,733 >> AND I THINK ONE OF THE 593 00:17:50,733 --> 00:17:52,700 FASCINATING NOTES IN ALL OF 594 00:17:52,700 --> 00:17:53,866 THIS THAT YOU CAN'T NOT DISCUSS 595 00:17:53,866 --> 00:17:55,733 IS -- WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 596 00:17:55,733 --> 00:17:58,200 STRANGE BEDFELLOWS, WE HAVE THE 597 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:59,300 DEMOCRATS AND THE DEMOCRATIC 598 00:17:59,300 --> 00:18:01,466 PARTY PUTTING UP TAX INCENTIVES 599 00:18:01,466 --> 00:18:03,233 FOR HUGE COMPANIES, AND JUST 600 00:18:03,233 --> 00:18:04,900 HOW WE'RE SEEING -- 601 00:18:04,900 --> 00:18:06,866 TIM: AND REPUBLICANS VOTINGY. 602 00:18:06,866 --> 00:18:12,500 >> AND DEMOCRATS VOTING NO, 603 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:12,700 TOO. 604 00:18:12,700 --> 00:18:16,533 OPPOSITION TO CORPORATE 605 00:18:16,533 --> 00:18:16,933 WELFARE. 606 00:18:16,933 --> 00:18:18,433 >> HOW MANY YEARS TALKING ABOUT 607 00:18:18,433 --> 00:18:20,600 ECONOMIC GARDENING AND GOING TO 608 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,300 TAX CREDITS FOR MOVIES. 609 00:18:22,300 --> 00:18:24,133 >> AND JOHN ENGLER WAS OPPOSED 610 00:18:24,133 --> 00:18:26,966 TO THOSE AS WELL, BUT AS SOON 611 00:18:26,966 --> 00:18:29,233 AS A PROJECT GOES SOMEWHERE 612 00:18:29,233 --> 00:18:30,466 ELSE, YOU FIND RELIGION. 613 00:18:30,466 --> 00:18:31,766 TIM: I WANT TO KNOW HOW SERIOUS 614 00:18:31,766 --> 00:18:33,600 IS THIS PROBLEM, IF IT IS A 615 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:34,233 PROBLEM, IN THE DEMOCRATIC 616 00:18:34,233 --> 00:18:36,666 PARTY OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS 617 00:18:36,666 --> 00:18:42,400 SAYING THE ALYSSA SLOTKIN 618 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:43,866 ANOINTMENT, WE FIND OFFENSIVE. 619 00:18:43,866 --> 00:18:45,133 >> THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS 620 00:18:45,133 --> 00:18:45,466 GOING ON. 621 00:18:45,466 --> 00:18:47,566 FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT 622 00:18:47,566 --> 00:18:49,433 SURPRISED, AND SECONDLY, THE 623 00:18:49,433 --> 00:18:52,100 DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO SHAFT 624 00:18:52,100 --> 00:18:53,933 THEMSELVES, THE BLACK, 625 00:18:53,933 --> 00:18:55,133 AFRICAN-AMERICAN DEMOCRATIC 626 00:18:55,133 --> 00:18:58,466 CANDIDATES, LESLIE LOVE, PAMELA 627 00:18:58,466 --> 00:18:59,833 PUGH AND HILL HARPER BECAUSE 628 00:18:59,833 --> 00:19:01,400 THEY SPLIT THE VOTE UP. 629 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,566 THEY HAVE 25% OF THE DEMOCRATIC 630 00:19:04,566 --> 00:19:06,466 PRIMARY VOTE IS 631 00:19:06,466 --> 00:19:07,333 AFRICAN-AMERICAN, IF THOSE 632 00:19:07,333 --> 00:19:09,500 THREE SPLIT THAT AND SLOTKIN IS 633 00:19:09,500 --> 00:19:10,933 BY HERSELF, SHE'S GOING TO WIPE 634 00:19:10,933 --> 00:19:12,633 THE FLOOR WITH THEM. 635 00:19:12,633 --> 00:19:14,700 THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY KILLING 636 00:19:14,700 --> 00:19:16,066 THEMSELVES, THEY SHOULD HAVE 637 00:19:16,066 --> 00:19:18,833 RALLIED TOGETHER AND COME UP 638 00:19:18,833 --> 00:19:21,166 WITH A CONSENSUS, 639 00:19:21,166 --> 00:19:22,100 AFRICAN-AMERICAN NOMINEE TO RUN 640 00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:23,566 AGAINST SLOTKIN, THEY HAVEN'T 641 00:19:23,566 --> 00:19:24,800 DONE THAT. 642 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,900 THIS IS A STORY TOLD IN 643 00:19:28,900 --> 00:19:30,766 LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS FOR 644 00:19:30,766 --> 00:19:31,533 YEARS. 645 00:19:31,533 --> 00:19:33,033 SAGINAW SHOULD HAVE ELECTED 646 00:19:33,033 --> 00:19:34,000 DEMOCRATIC AFRICAN-AMERICAN IN 647 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,600 THE HOUSE, AND KEPT RUNNING 648 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,600 CANDIDATES AND A SINGLE WHITE 649 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:41,833 AMERICAN WOULD BEAT THEM. 650 00:19:41,833 --> 00:19:43,233 >> DEMOCRATS BEING DEMOCRATS 651 00:19:43,233 --> 00:19:45,200 AND IN THIS CASE, 652 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:45,833 AFRICAN-AMERICAN DEMOCRATS, AND 653 00:19:45,833 --> 00:19:47,433 THESE THREE ARE DOOMED FROM THE 654 00:19:47,433 --> 00:19:47,800 GET-GO. 655 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,400 NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 656 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,566 TIM: IS THIS DISTRICT, IN THIS 657 00:19:51,566 --> 00:19:53,766 PARTY, ANALOGOUS TO WHAT WE SEE 658 00:19:53,766 --> 00:19:55,533 GOING ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, 659 00:19:55,533 --> 00:19:57,166 HAVING A PHILOSOPHICAL 660 00:19:57,166 --> 00:19:58,933 DISCUSSION ABOUT WHO WE ARE? 661 00:19:58,933 --> 00:20:01,766 THIS IS JUST RAW POLITICS, WE 662 00:20:01,766 --> 00:20:02,933 WANT OUR VOICE HEARD. 663 00:20:02,933 --> 00:20:06,466 >> THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE 664 00:20:06,466 --> 00:20:07,533 VERY, VERY DISTINCT. 665 00:20:07,533 --> 00:20:08,233 AFRICAN-AMERICAN DEMOCRATICS 666 00:20:08,233 --> 00:20:13,766 HAVE LONG COMPLAINED THAT, IT'S 667 00:20:13,766 --> 00:20:16,000 A LARGE PART OF THE LOYAL PARTY 668 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,466 BASE THAT'S TAKEN FOR GRANTED. 669 00:20:19,466 --> 00:20:21,133 THAT SPORT IS TAKEN FOR GRANTED 670 00:20:21,133 --> 00:20:24,233 IN GENERAL ELECTIONS. 671 00:20:24,233 --> 00:20:26,300 THE EXISTENTIAL FIGHT -- THE 672 00:20:26,300 --> 00:20:27,300 EXISTENTIAL MESS, THAT IS THE 673 00:20:27,300 --> 00:20:29,633 REPUBLICAN PARTY RIGHT NOW, IS 674 00:20:29,633 --> 00:20:30,966 VERY, VERY DIFFERENT. 675 00:20:30,966 --> 00:20:32,333 >> LET ME JUST MENTION ONE 676 00:20:32,333 --> 00:20:33,566 THING MORE, TIM. 677 00:20:33,566 --> 00:20:35,833 THE DEMOCRATS, AFRICAN-AMERICAN 678 00:20:35,833 --> 00:20:36,866 DEMOCRATS NEED A LEADER, 679 00:20:36,866 --> 00:20:40,266 SOMEBODY WHO CAN BRING ALL THE 680 00:20:40,266 --> 00:20:41,266 AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN THE 681 00:20:41,266 --> 00:20:42,300 DEMOCRATIC PARTY TOGETHER. 682 00:20:42,300 --> 00:20:44,400 LET'S LOOK AT REDISTRICTING. 683 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,066 THE SUPREME COURT, U.S. SUPREME 684 00:20:46,066 --> 00:20:47,133 COURT DECISION A COUPLE OF 685 00:20:47,133 --> 00:20:49,100 WEEKS AGO, ON THE ALABAMA CASE, 686 00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:50,500 WHICH ALL LIBERALS AND 687 00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:55,100 PROGRESSIVES ARE APPLAUDING 688 00:20:55,100 --> 00:20:56,233 SAYING THIS IS TERRIFIC ON 689 00:20:56,233 --> 00:20:58,133 VOTING RIGHTS. 690 00:20:58,133 --> 00:20:58,933 GUESS WHAT? 691 00:20:58,933 --> 00:21:01,100 IT BOOMERANGS IN MICHIGAN 692 00:21:01,100 --> 00:21:02,833 AGAINST THE DEMOCRATS AND 693 00:21:02,833 --> 00:21:04,866 AFRICAN-AMERICANS -- NOT 694 00:21:04,866 --> 00:21:06,100 AFRICAN-AMERICANS, BUT 695 00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:07,833 DEMOCRATS, BECAUSE THE SIXTH 696 00:21:07,833 --> 00:21:09,066 CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS WOULD 697 00:21:09,066 --> 00:21:11,966 RULE ON A SUIT CHALLENGING 698 00:21:11,966 --> 00:21:14,200 MICHIGAN'S LINES THAT WERE IN 699 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,933 PLACE IN 2022, AND IF THE 700 00:21:17,933 --> 00:21:19,266 COMMISSION, THE INDEPENDENT 701 00:21:19,266 --> 00:21:20,933 REDISTRICTING COMMISSION HAS TO 702 00:21:20,933 --> 00:21:22,000 GO BACK IN SESSION AND REDRAW 703 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,100 THE LINES, THEY MAY COME UP 704 00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:27,033 WITH MAPS THAT EXISTED FOR THE 705 00:21:27,033 --> 00:21:30,766 LAST TWO DECADES, WHERE YOU HAD 706 00:21:30,766 --> 00:21:33,700 TWO, NOT JUST ONE, MAJORITY 707 00:21:33,700 --> 00:21:34,333 AFRICAN-AMERICAN DISTRICT IN 708 00:21:34,333 --> 00:21:35,266 SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN. 709 00:21:35,266 --> 00:21:37,033 YOU KNOW HOW MANY THERE ARE 710 00:21:37,033 --> 00:21:39,566 NOW? 711 00:21:39,566 --> 00:21:39,800 NONE. 712 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,466 >> I WAS GOING TO SAY. 713 00:21:41,466 --> 00:21:43,166 >> THERE ARE NONE. 714 00:21:43,166 --> 00:21:43,400 YEAH. 715 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:44,500 THE ONLY AFRICAN-AMERICAN 716 00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:48,033 YOU'VE GOT IN CONGRESSIONAL 717 00:21:48,033 --> 00:21:50,066 DELEGATION IS A BLACK 718 00:21:50,066 --> 00:21:52,766 REPUBLICAN FROM MACOMB COUNTY, 719 00:21:52,766 --> 00:21:55,000 NORTH OF WAYNE COUNTY. 720 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,066 WAYNE COUNTY HAS NOBODY. 721 00:21:58,066 --> 00:22:00,266 THEY'VE GOT TALIB AND THEY'VE 722 00:22:00,266 --> 00:22:02,400 GOT SHREVE TANADAR. 723 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,933 TIM: HOW SERIOUS IS THIS, 724 00:22:03,933 --> 00:22:04,833 DAVID? 725 00:22:04,833 --> 00:22:06,100 >> IMPORTANT TO NOTE, NO 726 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:08,000 COMMUNITY ANYWHERE IS A 727 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,066 MONOLITH. 728 00:22:09,066 --> 00:22:12,066 ALYSSA SLOTKIN IS GOING TO GET 729 00:22:12,066 --> 00:22:14,333 VOTE S FROM OTHER PEOPLE TOO. 730 00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:16,200 THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME 731 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:21,033 THERE IS A QUOTE, UNQUOTE 732 00:22:21,033 --> 00:22:22,300 CORONATION OF AN ESTABLISHMENT. 733 00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:24,033 THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A 734 00:22:24,033 --> 00:22:24,500 DEMOCRATIC THING. 735 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:26,233 ALL BEING THAT SAID, IF THERE 736 00:22:26,233 --> 00:22:27,600 WAS A CANDIDATE WHO COULD RAISE 737 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,733 THE MONEY OF ALYSSA SLOTKIN OR 738 00:22:30,733 --> 00:22:31,900 HAVE THE MONEY SHE ALREADY HAS, 739 00:22:31,900 --> 00:22:35,000 OF COURSE, THERE COULD BE A 740 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,066 PRIMARY RACE HERE. 741 00:22:36,066 --> 00:22:38,133 >> SUPPOSEDLY HILL HARPER CAN 742 00:22:38,133 --> 00:22:39,600 RAISE MONEY, THAT'S THE 743 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,033 THOUGHT, OUT OF THE THREE 744 00:22:41,033 --> 00:22:41,433 AFRICAN-AMERICANS. 745 00:22:41,433 --> 00:22:42,466 I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO 746 00:22:42,466 --> 00:22:44,333 MAKE A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE LOVE 747 00:22:44,333 --> 00:22:47,233 AND PUGH WILL SPLIT THE 748 00:22:47,233 --> 00:22:48,833 AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTE WITH HIM 749 00:22:48,833 --> 00:22:50,966 NO MATTER HOW MUCH HE SPENDS, 750 00:22:50,966 --> 00:22:54,000 AND IT'S NOT CLOSE TO SLOTKIN. 751 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,133 >> AFTER THE SHOW LAST WEEK, I 752 00:22:56,133 --> 00:22:58,300 WENT TO THE SLOTKIN CAMPAIGN 753 00:22:58,300 --> 00:22:59,566 AND SAID WHAT'S UP? 754 00:22:59,566 --> 00:23:01,700 WE'RE NOT COMMENTING. 755 00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:03,733 AT SOME POINT WILL SHE HAVE TO 756 00:23:03,733 --> 00:23:06,900 ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM OR 757 00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:07,800 SANGUINELY GO ALONG? 758 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,766 >> DON'T MEAN THE PROBLEM OF 759 00:23:10,766 --> 00:23:13,033 THE -- YOU MEAN THE PROBLEM OF 760 00:23:13,033 --> 00:23:13,900 UNITING AROUND HER? 761 00:23:13,900 --> 00:23:16,233 SHE'S GOING TO ADDRESS THAT? 762 00:23:16,233 --> 00:23:19,000 TIM: NO, THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE 763 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,433 ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT. 764 00:23:21,433 --> 00:23:23,366 >> ON WHAT BASIS? 765 00:23:23,366 --> 00:23:25,100 SHE'S GOT TO BE CAREFUL. 766 00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:28,300 SHE SHOULD KEEP HER MOUTH SHUT 767 00:23:28,300 --> 00:23:30,333 AND LET THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN 768 00:23:30,333 --> 00:23:31,800 DIVIDE EVERYTHING UP AND SAIL 769 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:32,333 ON THROUGH. 770 00:23:32,333 --> 00:23:34,333 >> IT'S NOT EARLY, EARLY, BUT 771 00:23:34,333 --> 00:23:35,700 IT'S RELATIVELY EARLY, WE'LL 772 00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:37,133 SEE IF THERE ARE FOUR, FIVE OR 773 00:23:37,133 --> 00:23:38,966 TWO CANDIDATES BY THE TIME 774 00:23:38,966 --> 00:23:40,566 PEOPLE ACTUALLY START VOTING. 775 00:23:40,566 --> 00:23:42,466 THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, 776 00:23:42,466 --> 00:23:45,633 BUT SURE, WHY WOULDN'T ALYSSA 777 00:23:45,633 --> 00:23:46,966 SLOTKIN CAMPAIGN OUTSIDE OF 778 00:23:46,966 --> 00:23:48,133 CURRENT CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT. 779 00:23:48,133 --> 00:23:49,333 OF COURSE SHE'S GOING TO DO 780 00:23:49,333 --> 00:23:49,866 THAT. 781 00:23:49,866 --> 00:23:51,500 THAT'S HOW YOU DO IT AS OPPOSED 782 00:23:51,500 --> 00:23:53,500 TO HAVING A DEBATE WITH 783 00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:54,766 SOMEBODY WAY EARLY IN THIS 784 00:23:54,766 --> 00:23:56,733 RACE, YOU CAN CAMPAIGN WHERE 785 00:23:56,733 --> 00:23:58,500 YOU NEED TO GO CAMPAIGN. 786 00:23:58,500 --> 00:24:00,300 >> LET ME SAY SOMETHING, THE 787 00:24:00,300 --> 00:24:02,033 CONGRESSIONAL MAP, TIM, THE 788 00:24:02,033 --> 00:24:03,966 DEMOCRATS HAVE NOT CHALLENGED 789 00:24:03,966 --> 00:24:04,166 THAT. 790 00:24:04,166 --> 00:24:05,766 THERE'S NO SUIT PENDING RIGHT 791 00:24:05,766 --> 00:24:06,066 NOW. 792 00:24:06,066 --> 00:24:07,333 THERE SHOULD BE. 793 00:24:07,333 --> 00:24:10,233 THERE SHOULD BE IN THE SIXTH 794 00:24:10,233 --> 00:24:11,300 CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS 795 00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:12,366 CHALLENGING THAT MAP THAT 796 00:24:12,366 --> 00:24:13,933 ABSOLUTELY SHAFTED THE 797 00:24:13,933 --> 00:24:14,700 AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY IN 798 00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:15,866 SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN, AND I'M 799 00:24:15,866 --> 00:24:17,766 JUST AMAZED. 800 00:24:17,766 --> 00:24:19,566 THE ONLY SUIT PENDING IS 801 00:24:19,566 --> 00:24:21,933 AGAINST THE STATEHOUSE AND 802 00:24:21,933 --> 00:24:23,166 STATE SENATE MAPS. 803 00:24:23,166 --> 00:24:24,766 >> WHEN THE MAPS FIRST CAME OUT 804 00:24:24,766 --> 00:24:26,133 BECAUSE OF THAT VERY REASON, 805 00:24:26,133 --> 00:24:29,300 AND YOU SEE IT NOW, A LACK OF 806 00:24:29,300 --> 00:24:29,900 REPRESENTATION PARTICULARLY 807 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:31,400 AMONG DEMOCRATS IN THE MICHIGAN 808 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:36,433 SENATE BECAUSE OF THAT. 809 00:24:36,433 --> 00:24:37,933 GOING TO ANNOUNCE IN JULY HE'S 810 00:24:37,933 --> 00:24:38,866 RUNNING FOR CONGRESS. 811 00:24:38,866 --> 00:24:40,966 THE GOVERNOR LOSES A VERY 812 00:24:40,966 --> 00:24:42,566 IMPORTANT PART OF HER TEAM. 813 00:24:42,566 --> 00:24:43,933 HER LEGISLATIVE LOBBYIST. 814 00:24:43,933 --> 00:24:47,533 >> HE BASICALLY RUNS THE SENATE 815 00:24:47,533 --> 00:24:48,266 RIGHT NOW. 816 00:24:48,266 --> 00:24:49,466 TIM: WELL -- 817 00:24:49,466 --> 00:24:49,766 [LAUGHTER] 818 00:24:49,766 --> 00:24:53,200 >> HE DOES, HE RUNS THE SENATE. 819 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,200 TIM: THERE'S THE PRESIDENT OF 820 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:02,033 THE CURTIS HURTLE FAN CLUB. 821 00:25:02,033 --> 00:25:05,066 >> I THINK EVERYBODY IN LANSING 822 00:25:05,066 --> 00:25:07,833 KNOWS FORMER SENATOR HURTLE, 823 00:25:07,833 --> 00:25:11,133 HE'S BEEN AROUND LANSING FOR A 824 00:25:11,133 --> 00:25:12,100 LONG TIME. 825 00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:13,200 THE GOVERNOR HAS A DEMOCRATIC 826 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,500 MAJORITY IN THE SENATE. 827 00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:16,666 THAT HELPS. 828 00:25:16,666 --> 00:25:18,433 >> TENUOUS MAJORITY. 829 00:25:18,433 --> 00:25:20,566 >> SURE, BUT IT'S STILL A 830 00:25:20,566 --> 00:25:20,866 MAJORITY. 831 00:25:20,866 --> 00:25:22,600 TIM: SHE NEEDS TO GO IN AND 832 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,633 TALK TO THESE PEOPLE AND THAT'S 833 00:25:24,633 --> 00:25:26,033 WHAT HURTELLE BROUGHT TO THE 834 00:25:26,033 --> 00:25:26,233 TABLE. 835 00:25:26,233 --> 00:25:27,733 >> SURE, HE, OF COURSE, WAS IN 836 00:25:27,733 --> 00:25:28,866 THE SENATE AND KNOWS THE 837 00:25:28,866 --> 00:25:30,333 SENATORS THERE. 838 00:25:30,333 --> 00:25:31,633 I'M NOT SURE THAT ARE SENATE 839 00:25:31,633 --> 00:25:33,233 MAJORITY LEADER, WHEN HE 840 00:25:33,233 --> 00:25:34,700 BREAKS, ISN'T ANSWERING THE 841 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:35,800 PHONE WHEN THE GOVERNOR CALLS. 842 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,366 I THINK THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM IN 843 00:25:37,366 --> 00:25:39,066 THE SENATE RIGHT NOW. 844 00:25:39,066 --> 00:25:40,566 AGAIN, HE'S VERY -- EVERYBODY 845 00:25:40,566 --> 00:25:42,066 THINKS HE'S VERY GOOD AT WHAT 846 00:25:42,066 --> 00:25:42,600 HE DOES. 847 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,533 I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO 848 00:25:44,533 --> 00:25:46,766 CRIPPLE THE DEMOCRATS' AGENDA 849 00:25:46,766 --> 00:25:48,633 WHEN THE DEMOCRATS CONTROL THE 850 00:25:48,633 --> 00:25:48,866 HOUSE. 851 00:25:48,866 --> 00:25:50,233 >> THIS ISN'T A BIG LOSS, A SET 852 00:25:50,233 --> 00:25:51,833 OF SKILLS WILL BE ROLLING OUT 853 00:25:51,833 --> 00:25:54,166 THE DOOR AND THAT MATTERS, BUT 854 00:25:54,166 --> 00:25:55,966 IT'S NOT LIKE THERE AREN'T A 855 00:25:55,966 --> 00:25:58,833 POOL OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO 856 00:25:58,833 --> 00:25:59,200 BE -- 857 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,900 >> WATCH THIS, WATCH THIS. 858 00:26:00,900 --> 00:26:03,533 OKAY, WE'RE DONE. 859 00:26:03,533 --> 00:26:03,800 [LAUGHTER] 860 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,100 >> MAKE ANY GUESSES WHO IT'S 861 00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:06,800 GOING TO BE? 862 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,166 TIM: I THINK WAYNE SCHMIDT UP 863 00:26:08,166 --> 00:26:10,033 NORTH, A REPUBLICAN WOULD BE A 864 00:26:10,033 --> 00:26:11,866 GOOD REPLACEMENT FOR HURTELLE. 865 00:26:11,866 --> 00:26:13,200 WHAT DO I KNOW. 866 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,066 >> GOOD FOR WHITMER AND 867 00:26:16,066 --> 00:26:17,333 SCHMIDT, BUT NOT SURE IT'S GOOD 868 00:26:17,333 --> 00:26:19,033 FOR THE SENATE REPUBLICANS. 869 00:26:19,033 --> 00:26:19,966 TIM: LAST WORD. 870 00:26:19,966 --> 00:26:22,400 EVERYBODY HAVE A SAFE HOLIDAY 871 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,766 WEEKEND, ESPECIALLY WITH 872 00:26:24,766 --> 00:26:25,066 FIREWORKS. 873 00:26:25,066 --> 00:26:27,366 SEE YOU FOR MORE "OFF THE 874 00:26:27,366 --> 00:26:27,966 RECORD" NEXT WEEK. 875 00:26:27,966 --> 00:26:29,400 ANNOUNCER: PRODUCTION OF "OFF 876 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,133 THE RECORD" IS MADE POSSIBLE IN 877 00:26:30,133 --> 00:26:44,366 PART BY -- 878 00:26:44,366 --> 00:26:47,900 FOR MORE OFFVISIT WKAR.ORG. 879 00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:49,133 MICHIGAN PUBLIC TELEVISION 880 00:26:49,133 --> 00:26:49,933 STATIONS HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO 881 00:26:49,933 --> 00:26:52,800 THE COSTS OF "OFF THE RECORD."