WEBVTT 00:00.600 --> 00:03.133 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (bright music) 00:03.133 --> 00:04.600 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (upbeat music) 00:04.600 --> 00:06.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - [Narrator] Welcome back to OTR. 00:06.200 --> 00:07.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Our guest this week is the Chairperson 00:07.500 --> 00:09.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of the Oakland County Republican Party, 00:09.833 --> 00:12.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% former state representative Rocky Raczkowski. 00:12.500 --> 00:13.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% On the OTR panel, 00:13.933 --> 00:17.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% MSU journalism majors, Kyle Davidson, Sophia Lada, 00:17.266 --> 00:18.833 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and Daniel James. 00:18.833 --> 00:22.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Sitting with us as we get the inside out, Off the Record. 00:25.566 --> 00:28.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Production of Off the Record is made possible 00:28.400 --> 00:30.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in part by Martin Waymire, 00:30.700 --> 00:33.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% a full service strategic communications agency, 00:33.200 --> 00:35.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% partnering with clients through public relations, 00:35.600 --> 00:38.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% digital marketing, and public policy engagement. 00:38.900 --> 00:42.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Learn more at martinwaymire.com. 00:42.233 --> 00:45.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And now this addition of Off the Record with Tim Skubick. 00:47.366 --> 00:48.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Thank you very much. 00:48.333 --> 00:49.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Welcome back to Off the Record. 00:49.700 --> 00:50.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% You've seen these people before. 00:50.966 --> 00:53.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% When did we do this earlier? 00:53.133 --> 00:54.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% What month was that? 00:54.000 --> 00:54.833 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - February. 00:54.833 --> 00:55.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Was it February? 00:55.666 --> 00:56.933 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Wow! 00:56.933 --> 00:58.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It seems like eons ago, doesn't it? 00:58.466 --> 01:00.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Kyle, what have you been up to since we saw you last? 01:00.300 --> 01:02.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Oh well, I mean obviously think most 01:02.000 --> 01:03.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% of us here are seniors, 01:03.200 --> 01:04.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% so I've been pushing for graduation, 01:04.433 --> 01:07.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but I mean in terms of journalism and politics, 01:07.100 --> 01:08.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I've actually been working 01:08.300 --> 01:11.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% on a media literacy initiative with Pointer, 01:11.700 --> 01:13.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% their media wise initiative. 01:13.300 --> 01:14.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So that's been really interesting 01:14.933 --> 01:17.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and I've gotten to learn a lot of interesting skills 01:17.133 --> 01:18.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% about fact checking. 01:18.433 --> 01:20.033 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - [Tim] Media literacy? 01:20.033 --> 01:21.066 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Yeah, yeah. 01:21.066 --> 01:22.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - [Tim] What is that? 01:22.133 --> 01:23.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Well it's essentially the best way 01:23.733 --> 01:26.866 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I can describe it as just critical thinking skills 01:26.866 --> 01:28.333 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% to use online when you're scrolling 01:28.333 --> 01:29.600 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% through social media, 01:29.600 --> 01:31.566 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% because you're gonna see a lot of misinformation 01:31.566 --> 01:34.466 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% on there related to a variety of things. 01:34.466 --> 01:36.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I know one of the things that we've kind of been focusing 01:36.666 --> 01:38.733 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% on fact checking is, kind of some 01:38.733 --> 01:41.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of the information you see about the Russia-Ukraine war, 01:41.666 --> 01:44.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% some information you might see about elections, 01:44.900 --> 01:48.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% climate change or things like the COVID-19 vaccine. 01:48.033 --> 01:50.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - So you're trying to clean up the internet? 01:50.100 --> 01:51.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Trying, trying. 01:51.733 --> 01:53.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It feels like an uphill battle sometimes. 01:53.233 --> 01:55.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I mean if you take all the non-informed opinion out of it, 01:55.833 --> 01:56.933 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% you got nothing. 01:56.933 --> 01:58.066 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (Kyle laughs) 01:58.066 --> 02:00.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% You like that or not? 02:00.133 --> 02:03.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - You know Tim I just kind of gotta work with what I have. 02:03.000 --> 02:04.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So ultimately we try to stick with things 02:04.733 --> 02:06.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that are verifiably false. 02:06.966 --> 02:08.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% We're a non-partisan initiative. 02:08.466 --> 02:10.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So a lot of times we see something, 02:10.266 --> 02:12.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% it's focused on checking things 02:12.166 --> 02:13.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that you can actually double-check. 02:13.866 --> 02:14.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - So then when you find that out, 02:14.966 --> 02:16.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% what do you do with that? 02:16.600 --> 02:19.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Well, usually what I do when I'm hunting 02:19.200 --> 02:21.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% for misinformation in the wild is I kind of turned around 02:21.566 --> 02:23.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because part of our initiative is that we go 02:23.400 --> 02:24.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% to college students, 02:24.600 --> 02:26.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% we go to colleges all across the country 02:26.433 --> 02:29.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and we get presentations, where do you find this stuff? 02:29.800 --> 02:30.966 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% How do you spot it? 02:30.966 --> 02:32.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% How do you check it? 02:32.466 --> 02:35.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So I'll generally save those examples for my presentation. 02:35.966 --> 02:36.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I'll put them in there and I'm like, 02:36.900 --> 02:38.666 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% "Hey, here's an example of this 02:38.666 --> 02:40.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "and here's how you can check it out." 02:40.600 --> 02:41.766 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Well good. 02:41.766 --> 02:42.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It sounds like you're doing good work. 02:42.700 --> 02:43.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Sophia, what are you up to? 02:43.500 --> 02:44.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - What am I up to? 02:44.700 --> 02:47.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Definitely a lot of work and a lot of school 02:47.000 --> 02:50.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% just trying to finish strong and yeah, 02:50.266 --> 02:51.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% still working at the LSJ. 02:51.800 --> 02:54.433 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% So it's been pretty good for sure since February. 02:54.433 --> 02:55.466 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% - You're job hunting? 02:55.466 --> 02:56.966 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% - Job hunting indeed. 02:56.966 --> 03:00.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Lots of applications out there so we'll see what happens. 03:00.066 --> 03:04.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Which one do you want to come back with a yay? 03:04.833 --> 03:07.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - There are quite a few. 03:07.166 --> 03:09.733 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I'm definitely looking at some news places in Detroit 03:09.733 --> 03:11.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% because that's kind of near where I'm from working 03:11.866 --> 03:13.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% so working there would be cool, 03:13.433 --> 03:15.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but I'm also looking at the Livingston Daily, 03:15.033 --> 03:16.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% which is in the Howell, Brighton area. 03:16.866 --> 03:17.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Good luck to you. 03:17.766 --> 03:19.000 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - [Sophia] Thank you. 03:19.000 --> 03:19.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% = I know you guys will be successful. 03:19.666 --> 03:20.466 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Likewise. 03:20.466 --> 03:21.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And you got a gig. 03:21.266 --> 03:21.966 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% You already got one. 03:21.966 --> 03:22.800 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yep. 03:22.800 --> 03:24.333 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I'm really excited. 03:24.333 --> 03:26.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I'm starting with Mier in June after my study abroad 03:26.466 --> 03:27.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and I absolutely can't wait. 03:27.733 --> 03:29.200 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I think it should be really awesome. 03:29.200 --> 03:30.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% - And so since February, what else have you been doing? 03:30.933 --> 03:32.400 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% What stories are you working on? 03:32.400 --> 03:33.600 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% - Oh gosh! 03:33.600 --> 03:36.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% A lot of state politics obviously 03:36.000 --> 03:40.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% ahead of the GOP, the convention in this month actually. 03:40.700 --> 03:42.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% So a lot to do with that. 03:42.900 --> 03:45.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And then just interviewing candidates. 03:45.966 --> 03:48.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Miers puts together a series with a lot of the bios. 03:48.900 --> 03:50.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And so I've been reaching out to a lot 03:50.600 --> 03:52.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of the candidates in different races, 03:52.266 --> 03:54.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% especially state house and kind of seeing 03:54.266 --> 03:55.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% what they have to say. 03:55.800 --> 03:57.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Let me just point out that we are recording this 03:57.000 --> 03:58.400 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% on the 15th of April 03:58.400 --> 04:00.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% so everything we say that we get wrong, 04:00.266 --> 04:03.933 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% we'll know after the fact, right? 04:03.933 --> 04:06.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Let's talk about this governor's race. 04:06.300 --> 04:08.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Give me some reactions as to what you think's going 04:08.766 --> 04:10.100 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% on out there. 04:10.100 --> 04:11.500 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Sophia? 04:11.500 --> 04:13.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I mean, it's definitely very interesting. 04:13.100 --> 04:15.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% There's so many different Republican candidates. 04:15.433 --> 04:18.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I know Tim in your email to us you said you don't expect us 04:18.100 --> 04:20.433 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% to know them all because there are so many. 04:20.433 --> 04:21.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% - [Tim] You cannot name them. 04:21.300 --> 04:22.833 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% - Yeah. 04:22.833 --> 04:24.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But I know the three of us before the show, 04:24.366 --> 04:26.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% we were just talking a bit about James Craig. 04:26.800 --> 04:30.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% That's one that's definitely pretty well known I'd say. 04:30.800 --> 04:33.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I think it'll be really interesting 04:33.000 --> 04:35.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to see where his support comes from 04:35.266 --> 04:37.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because he does have a history in Detroit, 04:37.433 --> 04:40.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but that is also an area that tends to vote blue. 04:40.233 --> 04:42.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So I think that will just be very interesting 04:42.233 --> 04:44.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to see what kind of happens with that. 04:45.800 --> 04:46.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - What do you think? 04:46.866 --> 04:49.033 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Oh gosh! 04:49.033 --> 04:50.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I've been really interested 04:50.600 --> 04:52.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in following the Republican Party, 04:52.200 --> 04:54.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% especially because you said there are so many candidates. 04:54.833 --> 04:57.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Somebody stopped me on my way to the gym yesterday 04:57.833 --> 05:00.133 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and asked me about Tudor Dixon and-- 05:00.133 --> 05:00.933 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% - [Tim] Wait a minute. 05:00.933 --> 05:01.733 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% Somebody stopped you? 05:01.733 --> 05:02.933 align:left position:40% line:5% size:50% - Yeah. 05:02.933 --> 05:05.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Collecting signatures for her campaign. 05:05.033 --> 05:05.933 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Whoa! 05:05.933 --> 05:07.133 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Goodness. 05:07.133 --> 05:07.966 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 05:07.966 --> 05:09.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Oh, it's like the eight 05:09.466 --> 05:10.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% or ninth time I've been stopped this week I think 05:10.633 --> 05:13.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in different ballot proposals, 05:13.033 --> 05:14.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% campaigns, things like that. 05:14.400 --> 05:15.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - [Tim] Fascinating. 05:15.266 --> 05:16.466 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - I'm used to it, 05:16.466 --> 05:17.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but yeah, there's a lot of people on campus. 05:17.900 --> 05:20.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So she's obviously someone that's on my radar. 05:20.400 --> 05:24.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I also talk Rebandt yesterday. 05:24.300 --> 05:26.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I believe I'm pronouncing his name right. 05:26.033 --> 05:28.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And he had a lot of really interesting things to say too. 05:28.500 --> 05:30.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I know he just turned in signatures 05:30.033 --> 05:31.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I wanna say sometime this week. 05:31.633 --> 05:33.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So getting him in right before the deadline about. 05:33.900 --> 05:36.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - And what petition people hit you? 05:36.466 --> 05:37.300 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Oh gosh! 05:37.300 --> 05:38.233 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% There was a few. 05:38.233 --> 05:39.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% There was one for, excuse me, 05:39.333 --> 05:41.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% the governor's abortion ban, 05:41.100 --> 05:44.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% there one on, not ban the opposite, 05:44.266 --> 05:48.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but I've had a few for lone shark. 05:48.866 --> 05:49.800 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Oh gosh! 05:49.800 --> 05:51.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Everything under the sun really. 05:51.266 --> 05:55.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% All the ballot proposals, the Promote the Vote. 05:56.700 --> 05:58.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Which gubernatorial candidate have you heard 05:58.333 --> 05:59.600 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% the most about? 05:59.600 --> 06:00.566 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Oh gosh! 06:00.566 --> 06:01.433 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% That's tough. 06:03.133 --> 06:06.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I mean obviously I would say the governor, 06:06.600 --> 06:08.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the current governor who we've been doing a lot 06:08.466 --> 06:11.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of writing about. - Well that's a given. 06:11.066 --> 06:12.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - But in addition to her, 06:12.333 --> 06:14.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I would say I've heard a lot about James Craig, 06:14.800 --> 06:16.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% heard a lot about Tudor Dixon, 06:16.700 --> 06:19.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but I think there are just so many. 06:19.000 --> 06:20.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% It's hard to choose. 06:20.200 --> 06:21.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Kyle, what's your take on this? 06:21.766 --> 06:23.033 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 06:23.033 --> 06:24.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I definitely think it's going to be interesting. 06:24.466 --> 06:25.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% As Dani's mentioned, 06:25.666 --> 06:27.600 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I mean you hear a lot about James Craig, 06:27.600 --> 06:29.166 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% you hear a lot about Tudor Dixon. 06:29.166 --> 06:31.533 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% I'd definitely be interested to see how, 06:31.533 --> 06:34.433 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% obviously we haven't quite gotten the Trump endorsement yet. 06:34.433 --> 06:38.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But we did get that brief shout out for Tudor Dixon. 06:38.100 --> 06:39.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% So I'd be interested to see 06:39.566 --> 06:42.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% if that's gonna sway the election in any favor or... 06:42.566 --> 06:44.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I think a lot of people recognize Craig as one 06:44.733 --> 06:46.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of the front runners if not the front runner. 06:46.933 --> 06:48.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% So I'd be interested to see, 06:48.433 --> 06:50.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% how things are going to work out between those two 06:50.633 --> 06:52.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% or if we have another candidate 06:52.000 --> 06:55.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that could end up as the Republican nominee. 06:55.033 --> 06:57.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Have you had any chatter with your colleagues, 06:57.000 --> 07:00.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% your peers on the race for governor? 07:00.466 --> 07:01.933 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Anybody? 07:01.933 --> 07:04.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I mean, I think we always touch on it a little bit 07:04.900 --> 07:06.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in the Monday meetings but-- 07:06.000 --> 07:07.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - But those are journals. 07:07.866 --> 07:08.733 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (Dani laughs) 07:08.733 --> 07:10.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% They're not real people. 07:10.100 --> 07:12.166 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% I don't wanna, 07:12.166 --> 07:13.600 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% you've obviously figured this out 07:13.600 --> 07:15.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that we're not real people, okay? 07:15.500 --> 07:18.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But my guess is there's not a lot 07:18.500 --> 07:20.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% of discussion going out there 07:20.333 --> 07:23.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% among folks like you and pick an age group. 07:23.633 --> 07:25.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% They are not following this. 07:25.133 --> 07:26.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Do you get that sense? 07:26.800 --> 07:28.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Yeah, absolutely. 07:28.266 --> 07:31.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I mean, even with the 2020 presidential election, 07:31.566 --> 07:35.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% a bunch of my peers were not really following it 07:35.000 --> 07:37.366 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% until after those primaries were over 07:37.366 --> 07:40.200 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and after the official nomination was made. 07:40.200 --> 07:42.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So I could see people becoming more involved 07:42.266 --> 07:43.466 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% as the election gets closer, 07:43.466 --> 07:44.833 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but right now we're in April. 07:44.833 --> 07:46.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% So many months out. 07:46.266 --> 07:50.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% People are just not as interested, young people aren't. 07:50.066 --> 07:52.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - We ran a story on the program last week 07:52.066 --> 07:54.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that Donald Trump was going to endorse 07:54.300 --> 07:56.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% in the race for governor, 07:56.433 --> 07:57.500 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% but get this. 07:57.500 --> 07:58.766 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Here's the deal. 07:58.766 --> 08:00.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% He's allegedly made a deal with John Yob 08:00.700 --> 08:02.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% who's a political consultant. 08:02.933 --> 08:05.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% If Yob can deliver the attorney general nomination 08:05.700 --> 08:07.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% for DePerno, okay? 08:07.866 --> 08:09.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Which Trump wants, 08:09.366 --> 08:11.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% then Perno will deliver the nomination for Yob's candidate 08:11.566 --> 08:13.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% for governor, Perry Johnson. 08:13.366 --> 08:15.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Welcome to the real world of politics. 08:15.066 --> 08:16.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Why did you go like that? 08:16.066 --> 08:17.233 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% You went, mmh. 08:17.233 --> 08:18.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% What do you think of that? 08:18.566 --> 08:20.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I think that's definitely interesting. 08:20.400 --> 08:23.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And that's not something that I'd heard of prior. 08:23.000 --> 08:25.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So it's obviously, there's a lot of things going on. 08:25.400 --> 08:27.266 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% There's a lot of moves being made 08:27.266 --> 08:29.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and obviously I've heard about Perry Johnson, 08:29.733 --> 08:31.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I've read a few things about his campaign 08:31.833 --> 08:34.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but when you think of candidates, 08:34.000 --> 08:36.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that are out there and loud and are available, 08:36.766 --> 08:39.366 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% Johnson's not one of the immediate people that came to mind 08:39.366 --> 08:42.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% apart from the, what's the thing? 08:42.633 --> 08:43.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% The quality, you know what I'm thinking about, Tim. 08:47.600 --> 08:49.100 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - The equality. 08:49.100 --> 08:51.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - I'm trying to think of the title that he's using. 08:51.833 --> 08:52.766 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Oh! 08:52.766 --> 08:54.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% The quality guru. 08:54.733 --> 08:55.566 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 08:55.566 --> 08:56.633 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Quality guru. 08:56.633 --> 08:58.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Apart from that-- 08:58.100 --> 08:59.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Obviously the TV ads haven't worked on you yet. 08:59.200 --> 09:02.266 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (Kyle laughs) 09:02.266 --> 09:04.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% They say you've gotta see the ads seven times 09:04.233 --> 09:06.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% before you retain the content. 09:06.000 --> 09:07.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Maybe if you guys are smarter, 09:07.400 --> 09:08.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% it might be two or three times. 09:08.766 --> 09:12.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But that really makes a good point. 09:12.033 --> 09:14.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Okay, here's this guy's running, I'm the guru candidate 09:14.866 --> 09:16.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and you're struggling to figure out what the heck it was 09:16.800 --> 09:19.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and you're not alone, obviously. 09:19.100 --> 09:21.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You did some stuff on the Republican Convention. 09:23.066 --> 09:25.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% What was your takeaway from that? 09:25.466 --> 09:26.666 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Oh gosh! 09:26.666 --> 09:28.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% A lot of what I was most interested 09:28.100 --> 09:29.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in is how the Republican Party split 09:29.900 --> 09:33.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% ahead of the endorsements. 09:34.000 --> 09:35.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I think it's going to come down 09:35.533 --> 09:38.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to how strong the Trump delegation is at the convention, 09:38.133 --> 09:43.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% just because obviously he has his strong pick for DePerno. 09:43.100 --> 09:44.300 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% But I think there are 09:44.300 --> 09:45.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% a few other really interesting candidates 09:45.933 --> 09:47.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that may be a little bit more moderate 09:47.433 --> 09:50.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and may appeal to a greater majority 09:50.133 --> 09:51.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% of the Republican Party. 09:51.100 --> 09:52.366 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% So we'll see. 09:52.366 --> 09:53.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Do you have a take on what's happening? 09:53.300 --> 09:54.900 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% They meet on the 23rd. 09:54.900 --> 09:57.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - I mean, it is like Dani said, 09:57.366 --> 09:58.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% very interesting to watch. 09:58.600 --> 10:01.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It is kind of like a divide right now. 10:01.000 --> 10:06.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I mean we can see even from the pick for attorney general. 10:07.300 --> 10:09.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Some Republicans are choosing to favor Tom Leonard 10:09.933 --> 10:12.266 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and others are choosing to favor to DePerno 10:12.266 --> 10:15.000 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% and obviously Trump favors DePerno. 10:15.000 --> 10:17.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% So it's just interesting to see 10:17.033 --> 10:20.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% where is the Republican Party going? 10:20.333 --> 10:23.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Does this divide come to an end 10:23.133 --> 10:25.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% or is it just gonna continue growing further apart? 10:25.433 --> 10:26.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - And the good news is after April the 23rd, 10:26.933 --> 10:28.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% we're gonna have a really good sense 10:28.766 --> 10:30.500 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% as to where this thing is headed. 10:30.500 --> 10:32.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% If Trump ends up getting everybody 10:32.600 --> 10:34.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that he wants at the convention, 10:34.000 --> 10:36.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% this guy will be invincible going into November. 10:36.700 --> 10:38.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% However, if he takes a hit politically, 10:38.333 --> 10:39.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% people are gonna sit back 10:39.933 --> 10:42.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and what are they gonna say about Donald Trump? 10:42.966 --> 10:44.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Well, if he does take a hit, 10:44.533 --> 10:47.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that might be a sign that some people 10:47.600 --> 10:49.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% think that Donald Trump's power is fading. 10:49.733 --> 10:51.033 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% Maybe he might not have 10:51.033 --> 10:53.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% as strong of a hold over Michigan as people say. 10:53.833 --> 10:55.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I mean obviously it depends, 10:55.566 --> 10:57.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% we'll see nominees come out, 10:57.600 --> 11:00.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% but if you miss one, two, more, 11:00.700 --> 11:03.933 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% perhaps Donald Trump's influence over Michigan 11:03.933 --> 11:06.000 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% isn't as strong as some people say it is. 11:06.000 --> 11:07.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - All right. 11:07.200 --> 11:08.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Well, let's pursue this issue with our guest 11:08.800 --> 11:11.733 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% that's called in, Rocky Raczkowski, former state lawmaker. 11:11.733 --> 11:15.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Now in the private sector and a former Colonel in the army. 11:15.666 --> 11:16.900 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Is that right? 11:16.900 --> 11:18.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% What was your MOS representative? 11:18.633 --> 11:20.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - My MOS was when I was enlisted, I was infantry. 11:20.900 --> 11:23.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And then I was commissioned as an infantry officer 11:23.666 --> 11:26.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and a civil military operations officer as well. 11:26.600 --> 11:27.833 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Great. 11:27.833 --> 11:29.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You're not packing heat on this show, are you? 11:29.300 --> 11:31.566 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% - Well actually I was told I wasn't allowed 11:31.566 --> 11:34.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to in my own home by you, Tim. 11:34.100 --> 11:37.333 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% So I try not to listen to you very much Tim, 11:37.333 --> 11:39.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but I think a few moments ago 11:39.633 --> 11:41.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% you said that journalists aren't real people. 11:41.700 --> 11:45.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I think these three are fantastic future of journalism. 11:45.700 --> 11:47.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I applaud you for what you're doing 11:47.933 --> 11:51.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and I encourage you and salute you for the careers 11:51.000 --> 11:52.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that you're gonna move forward. 11:52.500 --> 11:54.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Rocky, thank you for that kind words, 11:54.433 --> 11:56.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because they're absolutely right. 11:56.100 --> 11:57.366 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Let me-- 11:57.366 --> 11:58.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Now I wasn't speaking to you, Tim. 11:58.566 --> 11:59.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I was speaking to them. 11:59.566 --> 12:00.633 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - I understood. 12:00.633 --> 12:01.866 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I got the message. 12:01.866 --> 12:02.700 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% You're subtle. 12:02.700 --> 12:03.633 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% Okay. 12:03.633 --> 12:05.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% You are subtle if nothing else. 12:05.133 --> 12:08.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Look at you, you endorse Tom Leonard for attorney general. 12:08.233 --> 12:11.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I'm gonna guess that the Trump people are not very happy 12:11.100 --> 12:11.933 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% with you sir. 12:13.366 --> 12:15.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Well I support the President and I supported what he did 12:15.800 --> 12:17.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% when he was in the White House. 12:17.166 --> 12:18.100 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Wait a minute. 12:18.100 --> 12:19.533 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% If you support the President, 12:19.533 --> 12:21.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% how come you aren't endorsing his guy for AG? 12:21.100 --> 12:22.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Tim, can you let me finish my statement? 12:22.933 --> 12:25.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I think you'd probably get your answer 12:25.533 --> 12:26.766 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% if you let me finish. 12:26.766 --> 12:28.266 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Like I said, 12:28.266 --> 12:29.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I support the President and I support what he did 12:29.433 --> 12:30.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% when he was in the White House, 12:30.400 --> 12:32.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but I also support Tom Leonard 12:32.300 --> 12:35.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% as a soldier who fought for people's rights 12:35.266 --> 12:38.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and most importantly cherish rights. 12:38.933 --> 12:41.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We believe that every individual has one vote 12:41.200 --> 12:44.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and every individual has the right to make their own choice. 12:44.766 --> 12:48.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I support the President, I appreciate what he's done 12:48.566 --> 12:50.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and I appreciate a lot of things that he does. 12:50.833 --> 12:53.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% The problem that is issued here 12:53.133 --> 12:56.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% is that I have a relationship with Tom Leonard, 12:56.833 --> 12:58.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I know who Tom Leonard is, 12:58.133 --> 13:00.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I've evaluated the three candidates. 13:00.066 --> 13:01.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And as an individual, 13:01.566 --> 13:04.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that by the way, there's three candidates in this race. 13:04.366 --> 13:05.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Let's not forget there's Ryan Berman 13:05.866 --> 13:07.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% as well from Oakland County. 13:07.900 --> 13:10.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And when I looked at who has the best chance 13:10.300 --> 13:11.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to challenge Dana Nessel, 13:11.500 --> 13:14.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% who's the best for conservative policies 13:14.200 --> 13:15.700 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and American First policies 13:15.700 --> 13:18.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and actually has a record of ethics and integrity, 13:18.300 --> 13:20.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I looked at Ryan Berman and Tom Leonard 13:20.966 --> 13:21.900 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% and Matt DePerno 13:21.900 --> 13:23.833 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and I said Tom Leonard's the one 13:23.833 --> 13:25.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that's gonna earn my support. 13:25.400 --> 13:27.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - In fact, if DePerno gets the nomination, 13:27.366 --> 13:30.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% the Republicans will lose the AG race, right? 13:30.100 --> 13:31.333 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - No. 13:31.333 --> 13:32.366 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Not true at all. 13:32.366 --> 13:33.600 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Not true at all. 13:33.600 --> 13:35.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% If Matt DePerno wins the AG race, 13:35.533 --> 13:38.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I'm gonna support DePerno for attorney general. 13:38.800 --> 13:40.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Anyone is better than the embarrassment that gets drunk 13:40.966 --> 13:44.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% at MSU U of M football games than this attorney general. 13:44.366 --> 13:47.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Isn't that a cheap shot representative? 13:47.900 --> 13:50.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Well, it would be a cheap shot if it wasn't true. 13:50.600 --> 13:52.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It is true so it's not a cheap shot. 13:52.333 --> 13:54.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% This Attorney General puts politics 13:54.966 --> 13:57.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% above her job and that's not cheap shot. 13:57.733 --> 13:59.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I'll take that all the way to the bank 13:59.633 --> 14:01.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% because it's absolutely fact. 14:01.600 --> 14:04.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Jamie, question? 14:04.700 --> 14:07.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I guess my question for you is going 14:07.000 --> 14:09.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% into the convention, are you concerned about-- 14:09.900 --> 14:10.700 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Did I say Jamie? 14:10.700 --> 14:11.766 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% I mean, Dani. 14:11.766 --> 14:12.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - You're totally fine. 14:12.600 --> 14:13.400 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - [Rocky] Dani. 14:13.400 --> 14:14.666 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Dani, Tim. 14:14.666 --> 14:15.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - [Tim] There you go. 14:15.933 --> 14:16.766 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% Yeah, right. 14:16.766 --> 14:17.966 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% There you go. 14:17.966 --> 14:19.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Are you concerned about the split, 14:19.166 --> 14:20.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% between the two, I guess, there are three, 14:20.833 --> 14:22.433 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but the two bigger candidates 14:22.433 --> 14:24.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and your endorsement and some 14:24.500 --> 14:27.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of the more moderate Republican Party's endorsement 14:27.333 --> 14:29.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% versus Donald Trump's? 14:29.266 --> 14:30.733 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - No, I'm really not. 14:30.733 --> 14:33.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And the interesting thing here is that this also happened 14:33.133 --> 14:34.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to the Democratic Primary 14:34.566 --> 14:38.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% or the Democratic Caucus back in 20, what is it? 14:38.300 --> 14:40.933 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% 2018 when Dana Nessel was not supposed 14:40.933 --> 14:42.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to be the candidate of choice. 14:42.700 --> 14:45.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And she got elected in November. 14:45.300 --> 14:46.966 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% So when we look at this, 14:46.966 --> 14:49.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% people get heated over elections. 14:49.566 --> 14:52.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Obviously before the primaries 14:52.300 --> 14:54.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% or before a party picks a candidate, 14:54.200 --> 14:55.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% there's gonna be an internal battle. 14:55.600 --> 14:58.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But in the end we come together and we fight 14:58.433 --> 15:01.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for the candidate that will do the best 15:01.633 --> 15:02.900 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% for what we believe in. 15:02.900 --> 15:05.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And I truly believe that we will win in November. 15:07.800 --> 15:09.000 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 15:09.000 --> 15:11.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So you've talked a lot about Dana Nessel. 15:11.200 --> 15:12.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% This is kind of a two part question, 15:12.766 --> 15:15.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but what do you think is something 15:15.300 --> 15:17.466 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% that she's done really well during her time? 15:17.466 --> 15:20.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And then what are some things that you think your pick 15:20.466 --> 15:22.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Tom Leonard could do a really good job of 15:22.666 --> 15:27.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% or better during his term if he were to be elected? 15:27.600 --> 15:28.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Well, what's interesting 15:28.766 --> 15:31.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Sophia is the nominating convention is held 15:31.766 --> 15:35.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% on Saturday, tomorrow in Grand Rapids for the Republicans. 15:35.800 --> 15:37.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And you ask a very interesting question, 15:37.600 --> 15:40.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% what do I think Dana Nessel has done well. 15:40.133 --> 15:42.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I think she's done well performing 15:42.266 --> 15:45.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% as a humorist clown as the attorney general. 15:45.900 --> 15:47.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I don't mean this in a negative way. 15:47.333 --> 15:51.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I truly try not to attack anyone individually, 15:51.333 --> 15:56.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% but she has made a art of putting out jokes on her Twitter 15:57.800 --> 15:59.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and on her Facebook page, which aren't always funny, 15:59.800 --> 16:02.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but she's tried to be funny. 16:02.166 --> 16:05.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I guess she's done a fairly decent job at that. 16:05.533 --> 16:07.000 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% As far as attorney general, 16:07.000 --> 16:10.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I don't think she's done very many things very well. 16:11.300 --> 16:12.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% By the way I do applaud her 16:12.600 --> 16:16.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% for actually bringing charges forward. 16:16.500 --> 16:18.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I believe she brought the charges forward 16:18.500 --> 16:22.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% on the Southfield City Clerk who was brought forward 16:22.300 --> 16:23.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% on election integrity charges 16:23.800 --> 16:26.900 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% or switching absentee ballots. 16:26.900 --> 16:28.500 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% I also believe 16:28.500 --> 16:32.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% she brought some charges forward on a couple individuals 16:32.366 --> 16:36.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that were charged with election ballot tampering 16:36.533 --> 16:41.533 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% or ballot fraud in 2020. 16:42.400 --> 16:43.633 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% So there are a few things 16:43.633 --> 16:46.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that she's done or her office has done. 16:46.433 --> 16:49.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% But I think that Tom Leonard brings number one, 16:49.533 --> 16:53.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% a understanding of how to serve people. 16:53.266 --> 16:56.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Not just Democrats, but all people. 16:56.800 --> 17:00.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Tom Leonard won't put his political agenda above the law. 17:00.833 --> 17:04.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% If the law says something, he will enforce that law. 17:04.366 --> 17:06.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Tom Leonard has a level of culture. 17:06.066 --> 17:10.566 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% He's not gonna go to a MSU or U of M football game 17:10.566 --> 17:12.500 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% and act improperly. 17:12.500 --> 17:14.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% He won't find that amongst Tom Leonard. 17:14.400 --> 17:18.433 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And he's definitely a solid individual 17:18.433 --> 17:20.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that will put all men and women 17:20.233 --> 17:23.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% on an equal playing field and defend our rights as citizens 17:23.933 --> 17:26.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and will fight for the state of Michigan 17:26.500 --> 17:28.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% when we're basically being challenged 17:28.966 --> 17:30.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% by the federal government. 17:31.466 --> 17:33.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Now Rocky, I have a question. 17:33.100 --> 17:34.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% So I was just wondering, 17:34.433 --> 17:36.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% what's kind of your view of the landscape here, 17:36.200 --> 17:38.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% especially related to kind of the power 17:38.533 --> 17:40.066 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% of that Trump endorsement. 17:40.066 --> 17:43.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I mean, do you think that this could be concerning 17:43.133 --> 17:44.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% for Leonard or do you think 17:44.566 --> 17:46.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that Leonard has a strong enough base to kind 17:46.333 --> 17:50.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of overcome this presidential endorsement? 17:52.333 --> 17:54.266 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Well, let's be honest that the President's endorsement 17:54.266 --> 17:58.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% is very strong and a lot of people are still, 17:58.166 --> 17:59.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% if the election were held today, 17:59.733 --> 18:01.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% let me backtrack and say this, 18:01.166 --> 18:04.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that Kyle if the election were held today, 18:04.933 --> 18:08.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% President Trump would overwhelmingly win Michigan. 18:08.800 --> 18:12.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% If people could take back their votes from 2020 18:12.100 --> 18:14.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% or whatever happened in 2020 and look forward 18:14.533 --> 18:17.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and see what Biden and Harris have done 18:17.100 --> 18:18.366 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% to the United States, 18:18.366 --> 18:20.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% they'd say "We want President Trump back 18:20.600 --> 18:24.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% "because Michigan was on a better footing a while back." 18:24.433 --> 18:27.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% But getting back to that endorsement, 18:27.000 --> 18:28.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that endorsement is very strong. 18:28.566 --> 18:29.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% It's very strong. 18:29.833 --> 18:31.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% A lot of people still have a lot of respect 18:31.633 --> 18:32.900 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% for the president, 18:32.900 --> 18:35.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but at the same time we know Tom Leonard, 18:35.766 --> 18:37.933 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% we know Ryan Berman, we know Matt DePerno 18:37.933 --> 18:41.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and allow people to make their decision. 18:41.833 --> 18:44.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Allow people who know these individuals 18:44.300 --> 18:46.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and who have had an interaction with them 18:46.300 --> 18:47.966 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% to make up their own minds. 18:47.966 --> 18:51.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% An endorsement means that President Trump supports him. 18:51.133 --> 18:53.466 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% That doesn't mean that I blindly follow everything 18:53.466 --> 18:55.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% that someone does 18:55.133 --> 18:56.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% because I may have a different perspective. 18:56.866 --> 18:59.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And as an individual and as a Republican, 18:59.566 --> 19:03.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I believe in the freedom of thought, freedom of expression. 19:03.166 --> 19:07.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% We're not blindly following every single comment 19:07.333 --> 19:10.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of every single leader, be it from the state party 19:10.866 --> 19:12.600 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% or whoever else. 19:12.600 --> 19:14.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% That's what the Democrats do. 19:14.100 --> 19:14.933 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% We're Republicans. 19:14.933 --> 19:16.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% We think for ourselves. 19:16.200 --> 19:17.700 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Well aren't there some people that say 19:17.700 --> 19:20.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that Trump supporters do blindly follow this gentleman. 19:20.700 --> 19:22.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Regardless of what he does, 19:22.100 --> 19:23.400 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% they still love him. 19:24.566 --> 19:26.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Well, I love him, but that doesn't mean 19:26.800 --> 19:28.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that on this one issue... 19:28.400 --> 19:31.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Listen, Tim, I've been married now 12 years. 19:31.800 --> 19:34.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I just celebrated my 12th anniversary with my wife. 19:34.300 --> 19:35.266 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Congratulations. 19:35.266 --> 19:36.200 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - And I should tell you that, 19:36.200 --> 19:37.400 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% thank you very much by the way. 19:37.400 --> 19:38.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And by the way, also congratulations 19:38.400 --> 19:41.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% on 50 years of Off the Record. 19:41.233 --> 19:44.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You have been on air as long as I've been alive but... 19:46.000 --> 19:48.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - I say thank you. 19:48.833 --> 19:50.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - You're welcome. 19:50.166 --> 19:51.400 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% You're welcome. 19:51.400 --> 19:52.500 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I just wanted to share that my wife 19:52.500 --> 19:54.133 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and I have a great relationship 19:54.133 --> 19:57.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and we respect each other, 19:57.933 --> 19:59.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% we're equals to each other, we listen to each other, 19:59.933 --> 20:03.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but we don't agree on every single issue. 20:03.533 --> 20:05.766 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We may agree on 95% of the issues. 20:05.766 --> 20:08.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% That doesn't mean that we're gonna have a divorce, 20:08.233 --> 20:11.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% or that doesn't mean that I suddenly I'm anti my wife. 20:11.933 --> 20:14.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And that's what a party is. 20:14.233 --> 20:16.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% It doesn't mean that we blindly follow 20:16.300 --> 20:19.366 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% every single individual from leadership. 20:19.366 --> 20:21.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We vote for our leaders to lead us, 20:21.833 --> 20:24.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% but not to dictate to us. 20:24.100 --> 20:26.100 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And as much as I support the president 20:26.100 --> 20:27.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and I support his endorsement, 20:27.600 --> 20:31.766 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% it's not that I feel that same way on that specific issue. 20:31.766 --> 20:34.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I support endorsement for Cristina Coelho 20:34.000 --> 20:36.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% for Secretary of State, an outstanding individual. 20:36.800 --> 20:39.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I support his endorsement in other individuals as well. 20:39.400 --> 20:40.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% But on this specific one, 20:40.800 --> 20:43.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I've looked at all the candidates and I've stayed quiet 20:43.666 --> 20:45.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% until after our county convention. 20:45.533 --> 20:47.933 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And after our county convention, I came out and I said, 20:47.933 --> 20:49.200 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% "You know what? 20:49.200 --> 20:51.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% "As an individual, I support Tom Leonard." 20:51.233 --> 20:52.766 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Dani? 20:52.766 --> 20:55.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Yeah, I think when talking about Leonard versus DePerno, 20:55.600 --> 20:57.800 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% one of the biggest things that I've seen in terms 20:57.800 --> 21:02.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of DePerno's platform is the 2020 election fraud. 21:02.300 --> 21:04.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And that's something that I know not everyone 21:04.666 --> 21:06.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in the Republican Party agrees on 21:06.533 --> 21:08.466 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but I was curious as to your position 21:08.466 --> 21:12.966 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and what you think about that element of his platform. 21:14.100 --> 21:15.566 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - I actually support it. 21:15.566 --> 21:18.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I think when you think about this whole process, 21:18.400 --> 21:22.333 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% in 2016 I couldn't find a Democrat 21:22.333 --> 21:24.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that didn't believe that the election was tampered. 21:24.700 --> 21:25.966 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% They were shocked 21:25.966 --> 21:29.266 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% that Hillary Clinton and lost to Donald Trump, 21:29.266 --> 21:30.500 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% which is ridiculous. 21:30.500 --> 21:32.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% They should have just seen the tea leaves 21:32.000 --> 21:34.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of how people were feeling on the ground. 21:34.333 --> 21:37.300 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And in 2020, the Republicans feel the same way. 21:37.300 --> 21:38.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% And there is evidence of, 21:38.766 --> 21:41.633 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% when you see the Secretary of State break the law 21:41.633 --> 21:44.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and send out absentee applications, 21:44.966 --> 21:48.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% not just once, but multiple times to individuals, 21:48.600 --> 21:52.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% instead of by the law the local clerk should be doing it, 21:52.200 --> 21:53.666 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% or should be requested. 21:53.666 --> 21:55.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% When you see ballot harvesting. 21:55.366 --> 21:57.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And what I think I mentioned a little bit earlier 21:57.433 --> 22:00.166 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% with Attorney General Nessel talking about 22:00.166 --> 22:04.066 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% or Attorney General Nessel's Office bringing charges 22:04.066 --> 22:06.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% against individuals that were ballot harvesting from, 22:06.533 --> 22:07.933 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I believe it was nursing homes. 22:07.933 --> 22:09.166 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% I'm not sure 22:09.166 --> 22:10.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% if I've got all the facts straight there, 22:10.400 --> 22:11.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but I believe it was nursing homes. 22:11.833 --> 22:14.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And then you see clerks like the one 22:14.333 --> 22:18.000 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% in Southfield changing absentee ballots. 22:18.000 --> 22:20.500 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% There is fraud. 22:20.500 --> 22:23.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And one of the best ways we could potentially put this 22:23.833 --> 22:27.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to bed is by doing a full recount 22:27.633 --> 22:31.033 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% or a full audit or whatever people come together 22:31.033 --> 22:32.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and believe should be done 22:32.600 --> 22:33.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% so that we can once 22:33.833 --> 22:36.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and for all put the Democratic accusations 22:36.133 --> 22:38.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and the Republican accusations to bed 22:38.333 --> 22:41.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and find out if there was fraud or if there wasn't fraud. 22:41.333 --> 22:43.600 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% What harm would come to that? 22:43.600 --> 22:47.000 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% So if Matt DePerno wants to leave that, God bless him. 22:47.000 --> 22:48.200 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I support him on that. 22:48.200 --> 22:49.566 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% If Tom Leonard wants to do that, 22:49.566 --> 22:50.600 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% I support him on that. 22:50.600 --> 22:52.166 align:left position:30% line:83% size:60% If Daniel Nessel were to do that, 22:52.166 --> 22:53.366 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% I would support her on that. 22:53.366 --> 22:55.900 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Whatever brings election integrity forward 22:55.900 --> 22:59.700 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and brings a common belief between republicans, 22:59.700 --> 23:01.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% democrats, independents, libertarians, 23:01.800 --> 23:03.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% vegetarians, whatever you wanna be 23:03.333 --> 23:07.866 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% to have faith and transparency in electorate system, 23:07.866 --> 23:09.900 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% I'm 100% for. 23:09.900 --> 23:11.133 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% - Sophia. 23:11.133 --> 23:12.366 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yeah. 23:12.366 --> 23:13.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So on the topic of election fraud, 23:13.833 --> 23:16.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I know this was something widely talked about at the end 23:16.900 --> 23:19.833 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% of 2020, as well as the beginning of 2021, 23:19.833 --> 23:21.800 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% a lot of the policies 23:21.800 --> 23:24.900 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that have come forward regarding election integrity, 23:24.900 --> 23:27.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% some people from the left have said, 23:27.133 --> 23:30.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that's discriminatory towards certain of people. 23:30.400 --> 23:33.400 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% So what do you think is a good path forward 23:33.400 --> 23:35.333 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that doesn't discriminate against people 23:35.333 --> 23:38.266 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% who are eligible to vote? 23:38.266 --> 23:39.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% - Sophia I apologize, 23:39.833 --> 23:42.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but I have no idea what is discriminatory. 23:42.966 --> 23:45.166 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% If you can give me a perfect example of something 23:45.166 --> 23:46.433 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% that is discriminatory, 23:46.433 --> 23:48.300 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I'd be more than happy to address it. 23:49.166 --> 23:52.033 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - Are you talking about IDs 23:52.033 --> 23:54.500 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% or having an ID when you vote? 23:54.500 --> 23:55.733 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Yes. 23:55.733 --> 23:58.566 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I saw that on a show similar to this actually 23:58.566 --> 24:00.166 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% in 2020 about IDs. 24:00.166 --> 24:01.366 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Sure. 24:01.366 --> 24:03.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And if you're talking about a voter ID, 24:03.666 --> 24:05.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I don't think that's discriminatory at all. 24:05.200 --> 24:08.100 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% When you look at a majority of poll that was done, 24:08.100 --> 24:11.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% not a long time ago, I believe what six, seven months ago, 24:11.433 --> 24:14.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% amongst African Americans in the state of Michigan, 24:14.666 --> 24:17.633 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I believe 70% of them believed in voter ID. 24:17.633 --> 24:19.100 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% If that were the case, 24:19.100 --> 24:24.100 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% then going on a flight would be discriminatory 24:25.033 --> 24:26.633 align:left position:30% line:5% size:60% because you have to show your ID, 24:26.633 --> 24:29.900 align:left position:20% line:5% size:70% buying alcohol at a convenience store 24:29.900 --> 24:31.133 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% would be discriminatory. 24:31.133 --> 24:34.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% This is one of the most sacred honors we have, 24:34.066 --> 24:37.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and you should have an ID. 24:37.100 --> 24:38.533 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% And by the way, 24:38.533 --> 24:40.533 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% it would be discriminatory if we had some type 24:40.533 --> 24:44.600 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% of discriminatory markings on an ID, but we don't. 24:44.600 --> 24:45.833 align:left position:20% line:89% size:70% And we shouldn't. 24:45.833 --> 24:48.133 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% I believe that no matter who you are, 24:48.133 --> 24:50.600 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% black, white, Christian, Jew, Muslim, 24:50.600 --> 24:52.333 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% you should have the right to vote 24:52.333 --> 24:55.166 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% and it should be equal to all. 24:55.166 --> 24:59.400 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% I was raised in a family that believed in equality 24:59.400 --> 25:02.366 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% across the board, gender equality and racial equality. 25:02.366 --> 25:05.966 align:left position:20% line:77% size:70% I was raised to Polish immigrants that came here legally 25:05.966 --> 25:09.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% that taught me very well that everyone should be respected. 25:09.200 --> 25:13.133 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And when you look at that, the law should be the law. 25:13.133 --> 25:16.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% We should have voter IDs so that you can prove 25:16.033 --> 25:18.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that you are the individual who's voting. 25:18.066 --> 25:19.266 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% By the way, 25:19.266 --> 25:22.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% how is it discriminatory when getting an ID, 25:22.666 --> 25:25.333 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% you can get an ID for free. 25:25.333 --> 25:28.066 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% And even cities were issuing IDs. 25:28.066 --> 25:31.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The Secretary of State was issuing state IDs. 25:31.033 --> 25:33.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% You don't need a driver's license to vote. 25:33.500 --> 25:35.666 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% You need an ID, a governmental ID. 25:37.066 --> 25:38.500 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% - Representative, we have to put a cap on this, 25:38.500 --> 25:42.233 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% but very quickly, I did not hear you say, 25:42.233 --> 25:47.200 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% do you believe the election was stolen from Donald Trump? 25:47.200 --> 25:48.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I believe the election was rigged. 25:48.866 --> 25:52.433 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Again, we will never know unless we look at the election 25:52.433 --> 25:54.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% from what happened with the Secretary of State, 25:54.866 --> 25:57.800 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% what happened with ballot harvesting. 25:57.800 --> 25:58.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - But based on what you know now. 25:58.966 --> 25:59.800 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% Based on what you know now. 25:59.800 --> 26:00.800 align:left position:30% line:89% size:60% (soft music) 26:00.800 --> 26:02.233 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% - None of us will never know. 26:02.233 --> 26:03.833 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% And that's why it's important for us to audit 26:03.833 --> 26:06.300 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% or hand recount the ballot. 26:06.300 --> 26:07.533 align:left position:40% line:89% size:50% - Okay. 26:07.533 --> 26:09.100 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% So the answer is you don't know. 26:09.100 --> 26:10.033 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - I think I've made it very clear 26:10.033 --> 26:11.866 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% that like Democrats believe 26:11.866 --> 26:13.266 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% that the election was stole in 2016, 26:13.266 --> 26:16.233 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% Republicans felt the election was stolen in 2020. 26:16.233 --> 26:17.733 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% The only best way we can put this 26:17.733 --> 26:19.866 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% to bed is by doing a full recount 26:19.866 --> 26:21.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% or full audit of all the elections 26:21.966 --> 26:24.666 align:left position:10% line:83% size:80% and having everyone review it and abide by the law. 26:24.666 --> 26:25.966 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% - Representative, good to see you again. 26:25.966 --> 26:27.200 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% Thank you much for doing our broadcast 26:27.200 --> 26:29.533 align:left position:20% line:83% size:70% and thanks to our student journalists. 26:29.533 --> 26:30.766 align:left position:10% line:89% size:80% 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