1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:00,333 ♪ 2 00:00:00,333 --> 00:00:03,766 ♪ 3 00:00:03,766 --> 00:00:06,066 WELCOME BACK OUR OTR GUEST THIS 4 00:00:06,066 --> 00:00:09,266 WEEK IS A NEW CHAIRPERSON OF THE 5 00:00:09,266 --> 00:00:12,133 HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS TOM ALBERT 6 00:00:12,133 --> 00:00:13,966 FROM MICHIGAN AND LEAD STORIES 7 00:00:13,966 --> 00:00:15,400 POTENTIAL VIOLENCE AT THE STATE 8 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,700 CAPITOL AND FORMER RICK SNYDER 9 00:00:17,700 --> 00:00:19,033 CHARGED IN THE FLINT WATER 10 00:00:19,033 --> 00:00:22,800 CRISIS ON THE ORT PANEL CHAD 11 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,666 LIVENGOOD ABIGAIL CENSKY RICK 12 00:00:26,666 --> 00:00:27,400 ALBIN. 13 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,100 SIT IN WITH US AS WE GET THE 14 00:00:29,100 --> 00:00:30,700 INSIDE OUT OFF THE RECORD. 15 00:00:30,700 --> 00:00:31,400 PRODUCTION OF OFF THE RECORD IS 16 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:32,066 MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY THE 17 00:00:32,066 --> 00:00:32,766 FOLLOWING, BUSINESS LEADERS FOR 18 00:00:32,766 --> 00:00:33,466 MICHIGAN HAS A STRATEGIC PLAN TO 19 00:00:33,466 --> 00:00:34,200 MAKE MICHIGAN A TOP TEN STATE IN 20 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:34,866 THE NATION FOR JOBS, PERSONAL 21 00:00:34,866 --> 00:00:35,533 INCOME AND A HEALTHY ECONOMY 22 00:00:35,533 --> 00:00:36,233 LEARN MORE AT MICHIGAN ROAD TO 23 00:00:36,233 --> 00:00:36,633 TOP TEN.COM. 24 00:00:36,633 --> 00:00:37,333 AND NOW THIS EDITION OF OFF THE 25 00:00:37,333 --> 00:00:37,900 RECORD WITH TIM SKUBICK. 26 00:00:37,900 --> 00:00:38,133 ♪ 27 00:00:38,133 --> 00:00:51,100 ♪ 28 00:00:51,100 --> 00:00:52,333 THANK YOU VERY MUCH WELCOME BACK 29 00:00:52,333 --> 00:00:54,600 TO OUR ZOOM EDITION OF OFF THE 30 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,700 RECORD ANOTHER HUGE BUSY NEWS 31 00:00:56,700 --> 00:00:58,266 WEEK IN OUR TOWN WE HAVE A GREAT 32 00:00:58,266 --> 00:01:00,666 PANEL AND GREAT GUEST AND GET TO 33 00:01:00,666 --> 00:01:04,333 THEM AFTER WE GO TO GOVERNOR 34 00:01:04,333 --> 00:01:05,966 GRETCHEN WHITMER ABOUT THE 35 00:01:05,966 --> 00:01:07,633 CAPITOL AND PUTTING SHOTS IN 36 00:01:07,633 --> 00:01:08,566 YOUR ARM. 37 00:01:08,566 --> 00:01:09,900 GIVEN THE VIOLENCE OF THE ATTACK 38 00:01:09,900 --> 00:01:11,800 ON THE U.S. CAPITOL LAST WEEK 39 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,133 GOVERNOR GRETCHEN WHITMER IS 40 00:01:14,133 --> 00:01:15,133 DEEPLY CONCERNED WHAT MIGHT 41 00:01:15,133 --> 00:01:15,733 HAPPEN HERE. 42 00:01:15,733 --> 00:01:17,733 DO YOU HAVE ANY CREDIBLE THREATS 43 00:01:17,733 --> 00:01:21,100 OF VIOLENCE AT OUR STATE CAPITOL 44 00:01:21,100 --> 00:01:22,900 OR IS THIS JUST SPECULATION? 45 00:01:22,900 --> 00:01:25,000 >> TIM, I CAN SAY THAT THERE IS 46 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,266 A LOT OF CHATTER THAT IS BEING 47 00:01:27,266 --> 00:01:28,733 MONITORED BOTH BY OUR FEDERAL 48 00:01:28,733 --> 00:01:31,300 PARTNERS AND BY OUR STATE 49 00:01:31,300 --> 00:01:31,733 RESOURCES. 50 00:01:31,733 --> 00:01:35,233 AND AS FOR SPECIFIC THREAT, 51 00:01:35,233 --> 00:01:36,700 THERE IS NOT ANY TO MY 52 00:01:36,700 --> 00:01:37,300 KNOWLEDGE. 53 00:01:37,300 --> 00:01:39,466 BUT WE CAN SEE THAT THE 54 00:01:39,466 --> 00:01:40,866 CONVERSATION NATIONALLY IS 55 00:01:40,866 --> 00:01:42,266 FOCUSED ON THE 17TH. 56 00:01:42,266 --> 00:01:44,333 AND WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO 57 00:01:44,333 --> 00:01:46,700 STAY CLOSE TO OUR FEDERAL 58 00:01:46,700 --> 00:01:49,033 PARTNERS AS WE ARE YOU KNOW 59 00:01:49,033 --> 00:01:51,333 THINKING ABOUT HOW WE ENSURE THE 60 00:01:51,333 --> 00:01:53,266 SAFETY OF THE CAPITOL COMPLEX. 61 00:01:53,266 --> 00:01:55,466 >> THE LANSING MIRROR ANDY SHORE 62 00:01:55,466 --> 00:01:56,933 WANTS THE GOVERNOR TO BRING IN 63 00:01:56,933 --> 00:01:58,700 THE NATIONAL GUARD FOR A PLANNED 64 00:01:58,700 --> 00:01:59,700 DEMONSTRATION AT THE STATE 65 00:01:59,700 --> 00:02:00,666 CAPITOL ON SUNDAY. 66 00:02:00,666 --> 00:02:03,433 THE GOVERNOR WON'T DISCLOSE WHAT 67 00:02:03,433 --> 00:02:05,033 HER BATTLE PLAN IS. 68 00:02:05,033 --> 00:02:06,333 >> THE MICHIGAN NATIONAL GUARD 69 00:02:06,333 --> 00:02:07,800 IS IN COORDINATION WITH THE 70 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:08,700 MICHIGAN STATE POLICE AND 71 00:02:08,700 --> 00:02:11,133 LANSING POLICE DEPARTMENT AND 72 00:02:11,133 --> 00:02:11,966 INGHAM COUNTY SHERIFF'S 73 00:02:11,966 --> 00:02:12,500 DEPARTMENT. 74 00:02:12,500 --> 00:02:15,200 BEYOND THAT WE DO NOT AS JUST A 75 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,566 GENERAL MATTER SHARE MORE 76 00:02:19,566 --> 00:02:23,466 INRICATE DETAILS LOOK LIKE AND 77 00:02:23,466 --> 00:02:24,766 WE ARE PREPARED IF SOMETHING 78 00:02:24,766 --> 00:02:26,700 SHOULD ARISE AND HOPEFUL IT DOES 79 00:02:26,700 --> 00:02:26,966 NOT. 80 00:02:26,966 --> 00:02:29,100 >> ON COVID FRONT THEY ARE 81 00:02:29,100 --> 00:02:30,700 TAKING POLITICAL FIRE FOR 82 00:02:30,700 --> 00:02:33,233 DELAYING FEBRUARY FIRST PARTIAL 83 00:02:33,233 --> 00:02:36,533 OPENING OF IN ROOM DINING AND 84 00:02:36,533 --> 00:02:39,533 SHIRKEY DISMISSES IT TO 85 00:02:39,533 --> 00:02:40,833 GOVERNMENT KNOWS BEST AND QUOTE 86 00:02:40,833 --> 00:02:42,800 IT'S TONE DEAF AND THE GOVERNOR 87 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,233 IS NOT READY TO OPEN THEM NOW 88 00:02:44,233 --> 00:02:44,833 BECAUSE OF THIS. 89 00:02:44,833 --> 00:02:45,800 >> AS WE ARE LOOKING AT THE 90 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,633 NUMBERS WE SEE AN UPTICK IN 91 00:02:49,633 --> 00:02:52,333 POSITIVITY AND IN TESTS AND THAT 92 00:02:52,333 --> 00:02:54,033 IS AS A CONCERN THAT WE ALL HAD 93 00:02:54,033 --> 00:02:55,166 WAS AROUND WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN 94 00:02:55,166 --> 00:02:57,100 WITH THE HOLIDAYS. 95 00:02:57,100 --> 00:02:58,233 >> Reporter: ON THE VACCINE 96 00:02:58,233 --> 00:03:03,133 FRONT 8031 DOSES IN MICHIGAN OR 97 00:03:03,133 --> 00:03:05,700 SCHEDULED TO BE GIVEN BUT MORE 98 00:03:05,700 --> 00:03:08,100 VACCINES NEED TO INOCCUR LATE 99 00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:10,533 THE RESIDENTS AND 33,000 SHOTS 100 00:03:10,533 --> 00:03:11,733 GIVEN RECENTLY BUT NOT THE 101 00:03:11,733 --> 00:03:13,666 50,000 SHOTS A DAY THE GOVERNOR 102 00:03:13,666 --> 00:03:16,066 WANTS. 103 00:03:16,066 --> 00:03:18,033 SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SAFETY 104 00:03:18,033 --> 00:03:20,033 AT THE STATE CAPITOL ABIGAIL ARE 105 00:03:20,033 --> 00:03:21,800 WE SAFE? 106 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,166 THEY ARE PUTTING UP A FENCE 107 00:03:23,166 --> 00:03:24,500 AROUND OUR CAPITOL BUILDING THIS 108 00:03:24,500 --> 00:03:24,866 DAY. 109 00:03:24,866 --> 00:03:27,600 >> YEAH, EVERYONE I'VE TALKED TO 110 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,000 REMAINS CONFIDENT WHILE THEY ARE 111 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,800 NOT ABLE TO SHARE DETAILS OF 112 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,433 WHAT THE SPECIFIC POLICE 113 00:03:33,433 --> 00:03:35,700 PRESENCE IS LIKE I TALKED TO 114 00:03:35,700 --> 00:03:36,933 LIEUTENANT MICHAEL SHAW THIS 115 00:03:36,933 --> 00:03:40,500 MORNING AND HE WAS SAYING THAT, 116 00:03:40,500 --> 00:03:42,466 YOU KNOW, THEY STILL DON'T HAVE 117 00:03:42,466 --> 00:03:44,933 CREDIBLE THREATS OF VIOLENCE. 118 00:03:44,933 --> 00:03:46,133 AND THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT 119 00:03:46,133 --> 00:03:49,200 WE SAW AT PREVIOUS, YOU KNOW, 120 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:50,766 INSTANCES JUST EARLIER THIS 121 00:03:50,766 --> 00:03:52,433 YEAR, JUST BACK ON 122 00:03:52,433 --> 00:03:54,433 DECEMBER 14TH. 123 00:03:54,433 --> 00:03:56,066 THERE WERE CRITICAL ACTS OF 124 00:03:56,066 --> 00:03:57,100 VIOLENCE AND THE STATE CAPITOL 125 00:03:57,100 --> 00:03:58,033 WAS SHUT DOWN. 126 00:03:58,033 --> 00:04:00,133 SO I THINK IT'S CHILLING BECAUSE 127 00:04:00,133 --> 00:04:02,133 A LOT OF THIS PLANNING IS 128 00:04:02,133 --> 00:04:04,733 HAPPENING OFF OF MAINSTREAM 129 00:04:04,733 --> 00:04:05,533 SOCIAL MEDIA. 130 00:04:05,533 --> 00:04:07,800 IT'S MIGRATED OFF OF FACEBOOK 131 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,033 AND TWITTER AND OTHER AREAS 132 00:04:10,033 --> 00:04:12,033 BECAUSE THESE TECH COMPANIES 133 00:04:12,033 --> 00:04:13,666 HAVE STARTED ENFORCING 134 00:04:13,666 --> 00:04:15,833 GUIDELINES MORE STRICTLY AND 135 00:04:15,833 --> 00:04:17,433 THESE PEOPLE WHO WERE PLANNING 136 00:04:17,433 --> 00:04:19,100 THESE TYPES OF EVENTS HAVE 137 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:21,366 ESSENTIALLY BEEN DEPLATFORMED. 138 00:04:21,366 --> 00:04:23,566 SO IT'S MIGRATED TO KIND OF 139 00:04:23,566 --> 00:04:26,433 THIRD AND FOURTH TIER APPS LIKE 140 00:04:26,433 --> 00:04:28,366 ME WEE AND GAB. 141 00:04:28,366 --> 00:04:30,566 SO I THINK THAT YOU KNOW WHAT 142 00:04:30,566 --> 00:04:32,000 I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM OFFICIALS 143 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,100 IS THAT THEY ARE BEING ALMOST 144 00:04:36,100 --> 00:04:37,833 OVERLY CAUTIOUS. 145 00:04:37,833 --> 00:04:39,133 WE KNOW IT'S A BIG THREAT AFTER 146 00:04:39,133 --> 00:04:40,833 WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED AT THE U.S. 147 00:04:40,833 --> 00:04:42,433 CAPITOL THIS WEEK. 148 00:04:42,433 --> 00:04:45,900 BUT THEY ARE CONFIDENT THEY ARE 149 00:04:45,900 --> 00:04:48,266 MAKING ADEQUATE PREPARATIONS AND 150 00:04:48,266 --> 00:04:50,100 WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE IS 151 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:51,300 THEY DON'T WANT TO WAKE UP 152 00:04:51,300 --> 00:04:52,700 MONDAY MORNING THINKING THEY 153 00:04:52,700 --> 00:04:55,900 COULD HAVE DONE MORE. 154 00:04:55,900 --> 00:04:57,100 >> I'VE TALKED TO A FEW PEOPLE 155 00:04:57,100 --> 00:04:59,566 WHO ARE SIMILARLY I THINK 156 00:04:59,566 --> 00:05:00,600 OPTIMISTIC THAT THEY WILL HAVE 157 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,433 THE SITUATION UNDER CONTROL. 158 00:05:02,433 --> 00:05:04,066 BUT I THINK THE REALITY IS THAT 159 00:05:04,066 --> 00:05:06,933 AFTER WHAT WE SAW HAPPEN IN 160 00:05:06,933 --> 00:05:10,500 WASHINGTON DC THAT IT WOULD BE A 161 00:05:10,500 --> 00:05:13,400 FALLACY TO UNDER PREPARE AND IF 162 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:14,900 YOU HAVE MORE RESOURCES THAN YOU 163 00:05:14,900 --> 00:05:17,400 NEED IN PLACE, I THINK THAT'S 164 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,833 GOING TO BE A GOOD THING. 165 00:05:18,833 --> 00:05:19,500 AND I DON'T KNOW. 166 00:05:19,500 --> 00:05:21,100 I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT ABIGAIL. 167 00:05:21,100 --> 00:05:22,166 I THINK A LOT OF THIS 168 00:05:22,166 --> 00:05:24,233 CONVERSATION HAS MOVED TO OTHER 169 00:05:24,233 --> 00:05:24,866 PLACES. 170 00:05:24,866 --> 00:05:26,566 I'M RELATIVELY CERTAIN THAT THE 171 00:05:26,566 --> 00:05:28,233 OFFICIALS ARE ABLE TO TRACK THAT 172 00:05:28,233 --> 00:05:29,866 AND KEEP AN EYE ON THAT AS WELL 173 00:05:29,866 --> 00:05:31,133 EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE A LITTLE 174 00:05:31,133 --> 00:05:32,366 MORE DIFFICULT WITH YOU KNOW A 175 00:05:32,366 --> 00:05:34,000 MORE SPREAD OUT CONVERSATION. 176 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,500 BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE 177 00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:38,800 PREPARED FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN 178 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,266 ON SUNDAY JUST GIVEN THE AMOUNT 179 00:05:41,266 --> 00:05:42,533 OF CONVERSATION THERE HAS BEEN 180 00:05:42,533 --> 00:05:43,766 OUT THERE ABOUT IT. 181 00:05:43,766 --> 00:05:46,600 AND THE FACT THAT I THINK 182 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,066 TENSIONS AND EMOTIONS ARE STILL 183 00:05:48,066 --> 00:05:49,600 RUNNING HIGH. 184 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,400 >> TIM, WE VIEW THE STATE HOUSE 185 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,733 AS THE MOST SACRED PLACE AT 186 00:05:54,733 --> 00:05:57,100 LEAST THE LANSING INSIDERS WHO 187 00:05:57,100 --> 00:05:59,233 LOOK AT THIS AND WORK IN THIS 188 00:05:59,233 --> 00:06:00,133 INSTITUTION EVERYDAY. 189 00:06:00,133 --> 00:06:02,600 SO I AGREE OVER PROTECTING IT 190 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,000 DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A BIG DEAL, 191 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,200 I'M NOT SURE WHO IS REALLY GOING 192 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,200 TO CRITICIZE JUST BEING OVER 193 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:09,600 PREPARED FOR WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT 194 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:10,900 HAPPEN. 195 00:06:10,900 --> 00:06:12,166 >> WELL, THE GOVERNOR DIDN'T 196 00:06:12,166 --> 00:06:14,133 WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION 197 00:06:14,133 --> 00:06:15,400 WOULD SHE CALL IN THE NATIONAL 198 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:16,866 GUARD BUT HERE IS A GUESS FROM 199 00:06:16,866 --> 00:06:18,566 30,000 FEET I THINK THEY ARE ON 200 00:06:18,566 --> 00:06:21,500 STAND BY AND THE ARMORY IS 201 00:06:21,500 --> 00:06:23,000 NEARBY AND IF THEY NEED TO BE 202 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,133 TRUCKED IN THEY CAN DO IT IN A 203 00:06:24,133 --> 00:06:25,666 SECOND IF THAT IS NEEDED. 204 00:06:25,666 --> 00:06:27,333 AND IN THE CONTEXT THE STATE 205 00:06:27,333 --> 00:06:28,766 CAPITOL COMMISSION DID SOMETHING 206 00:06:28,766 --> 00:06:30,733 THEY THOUGHT WOULD HELP PROTECT 207 00:06:30,733 --> 00:06:32,966 PEOPLE IN THE CAPITOL AND THAT 208 00:06:32,966 --> 00:06:35,166 IS THEY BAN OPEN CARRY AND, 209 00:06:35,166 --> 00:06:37,133 RICK, IT DID NOT OPEN TO GREAT 210 00:06:37,133 --> 00:06:38,866 REVIEWS FROM EITHER SIDE. 211 00:06:38,866 --> 00:06:40,166 >> NO, IT DIDN'T. 212 00:06:40,166 --> 00:06:42,366 FOR SOME IT WAS AN INFRINGEMENT 213 00:06:42,366 --> 00:06:45,733 ON THE OPEN CARRY LAW IN THE 214 00:06:45,733 --> 00:06:46,666 STATE OF MICHIGAN AND FOR OTHERS 215 00:06:46,666 --> 00:06:48,933 IT WAS JUST A HALF STEP THAT 216 00:06:48,933 --> 00:06:50,700 THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE 217 00:06:50,700 --> 00:06:52,800 CONCEALED CARRY WAS ALSO 218 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:53,900 RESTRICTED IN THE CAPITOL. 219 00:06:53,900 --> 00:06:55,600 AND IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION 220 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,100 FROM THE STAND POINT OF SAFETY. 221 00:06:58,100 --> 00:07:00,666 I KNOW THAT AFTER I CAME BACK TO 222 00:07:00,666 --> 00:07:03,133 THE STATE, AFTER 9/11 I WAS A 223 00:07:03,133 --> 00:07:04,633 LITTLE SURPRISED AND REMAIN SO 224 00:07:04,633 --> 00:07:06,833 THAT THE CAPITOL WAS AS OPEN AS 225 00:07:06,833 --> 00:07:07,566 IT WAS. 226 00:07:07,566 --> 00:07:09,833 THERE ARE YOU KNOW NO METAL 227 00:07:09,833 --> 00:07:10,800 DETECTORS GOING IN. 228 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,633 IT'S PRETTY FREE FLOW IN AND 229 00:07:12,633 --> 00:07:14,666 OUT, NOT AS MUCH OBVIOUSLY 230 00:07:14,666 --> 00:07:16,766 DURING COVID BUT IN A NORMAL 231 00:07:16,766 --> 00:07:18,166 TIME SO THE QUESTION OF HOW OPEN 232 00:07:18,166 --> 00:07:20,133 DO YOU KEEP THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE 233 00:07:20,133 --> 00:07:21,600 VERSUS HOW DO YOU TRY TO PROTECT 234 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,566 THE PEOPLE INSIDE THAT HOUSE. 235 00:07:23,566 --> 00:07:25,066 AND THOSE THAT WOULD VISIT AS 236 00:07:25,066 --> 00:07:26,000 WELL. 237 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,100 IS AN INTERESTING ONE. 238 00:07:27,100 --> 00:07:31,266 AND SO YOU'RE RIGHT, TIM, THE 239 00:07:31,266 --> 00:07:32,833 DECISION BY THE CAPITOL 240 00:07:32,833 --> 00:07:34,333 COMMISSION TO DO AWAY WITH OPEN 241 00:07:34,333 --> 00:07:37,000 CARRY INSIDE THE BUILDING FOR 242 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,166 BOTH SEE I THINK WAS A MEASURE 243 00:07:39,166 --> 00:07:42,400 EITHER A HALF STEP TOO FAR OR A 244 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,366 HALF STEP TOO SHORT AND I THINK 245 00:07:45,366 --> 00:07:46,200 IT'S CONVERSATION WE WILL 246 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,066 CONTINUE TO HEAR. 247 00:07:47,066 --> 00:07:49,566 >> ALL RIGHT I WANT TO MOVE, GO 248 00:07:49,566 --> 00:07:50,966 AHEAD, CHAD. 249 00:07:50,966 --> 00:07:52,666 >> WE HAVE TO GO ACROSS ALLEGAN 250 00:07:52,666 --> 00:07:54,533 STREET TO FIND A STUNNINGLY 251 00:07:54,533 --> 00:07:55,400 DIFFERENT EXAMPLE OF A 252 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,500 GOVERNMENT BUILDING FORTIFIED 253 00:07:57,500 --> 00:08:00,400 THE FEDERAL COURTHOUSE AND POST 254 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:00,700 OFFICE. 255 00:08:00,700 --> 00:08:03,333 REMEMBER A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN 256 00:08:03,333 --> 00:08:06,233 THEY INSTALLED THE STEEL BOWARDS 257 00:08:06,233 --> 00:08:08,100 ALONG THERE, THEY WERE AFRAID 258 00:08:08,100 --> 00:08:09,666 SOMEONE WOULD JUMP THE CURB AND 259 00:08:09,666 --> 00:08:11,066 DRIVE A TRUCK RIGHT INTO THE 260 00:08:11,066 --> 00:08:12,466 FEDERAL COURTHOUSE IN LANSING. 261 00:08:12,466 --> 00:08:14,833 SO AND YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH 262 00:08:14,833 --> 00:08:17,533 METAL DETECTORS TO GET IN THE 263 00:08:17,533 --> 00:08:18,600 COURTHOUSE SIDE OF THAT BUILDING 264 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:19,400 AS WELL. 265 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,300 SO WE HAVE JUST A REALLY BIZARRE 266 00:08:22,300 --> 00:08:23,633 DIFFERENT STANDARD FOR THE STATE 267 00:08:23,633 --> 00:08:27,166 HOUSE AND EVERY OTHER GOVERNMENT 268 00:08:27,166 --> 00:08:29,766 BUILDING IN THIS STATE FROM 269 00:08:29,766 --> 00:08:34,233 DETROIT CITY HALL TO COUNTY 270 00:08:34,233 --> 00:08:34,600 COURTHOUSES. 271 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,766 THERE ARE SCANNER OR THERE ARE 272 00:08:36,766 --> 00:08:37,966 METAL DETECTORS TO MAKE SURE 273 00:08:37,966 --> 00:08:40,833 THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT HAULING GUNS 274 00:08:40,833 --> 00:08:41,300 INTO THERE. 275 00:08:41,300 --> 00:08:43,266 WE HAVE NOT GOT TO THAT POINT IN 276 00:08:43,266 --> 00:08:44,366 MICHIGAN BECAUSE WE ARE STILL 277 00:08:44,366 --> 00:08:46,366 ALLOWING CONCEALED WEAPONS INTO 278 00:08:46,366 --> 00:08:47,733 THE CAPITOL. 279 00:08:47,733 --> 00:08:48,866 >> ABIGAIL QUICKLY ON THE 280 00:08:48,866 --> 00:08:51,633 VACCINE FRONT HOW ARE WE DOING? 281 00:08:51,633 --> 00:08:52,833 >> I MEAN I THINK YOU HAVE TO 282 00:08:52,833 --> 00:08:54,933 LOOK JUST AS FAR AS CHAD'S 283 00:08:54,933 --> 00:08:56,733 REPORTING TO SEE THAT WE ARE NOT 284 00:08:56,733 --> 00:09:00,366 DOING WELL OR AS WELL AS THE 285 00:09:00,366 --> 00:09:01,066 WITNESS MERADMINISTRATION WOULD 286 00:09:01,066 --> 00:09:02,200 HAVE ANTICIPATED. 287 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:03,100 THEY ARE ALLEGING THAT IS 288 00:09:03,100 --> 00:09:04,900 BECAUSE THEY ARE RECEIVING FAR 289 00:09:04,900 --> 00:09:06,533 FEWER VACCINES FROM THE FEDERAL 290 00:09:06,533 --> 00:09:06,966 GOVERNMENT. 291 00:09:06,966 --> 00:09:09,233 AND THAT CERTAINLY HAS BEEN YOU 292 00:09:09,233 --> 00:09:11,100 KNOW TRUE ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 293 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:12,300 WE ARE NOT JUST HEARING THAT 294 00:09:12,300 --> 00:09:14,333 FROM MICHIGAN. 295 00:09:14,333 --> 00:09:17,233 BUT I THINK IT ALSO DEPENDS ON 296 00:09:17,233 --> 00:09:18,966 WHAT COUNTY YOU'RE IN. 297 00:09:18,966 --> 00:09:21,233 IN INGHAM COUNTY THEY ARE MAKING 298 00:09:21,233 --> 00:09:22,600 APPOINTMENTS BUT THERE IS YOU 299 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,266 KNOW A LONG WAIT UP UNTIL 300 00:09:24,266 --> 00:09:28,200 FEBRUARY FOR JUST THE FIRST, YOU 301 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:29,733 KNOW, SEVERAL TIERS OF GROUPS 302 00:09:29,733 --> 00:09:31,533 WHO ARE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE THE 303 00:09:31,533 --> 00:09:32,400 VACCINE RIGHT NOW. 304 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,266 AND SO THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST 305 00:09:35,266 --> 00:09:36,966 ABOVE 16 AND OLDER AND THE 306 00:09:36,966 --> 00:09:38,166 GENERAL POPULATION AND THE VERY 307 00:09:38,166 --> 00:09:39,966 LAST GROUP THEY MIGHT BE 308 00:09:39,966 --> 00:09:41,400 RECEIVING THE VACCINE MUCH LATER 309 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,333 IN 2021 THAN ANTICIPATED. 310 00:09:44,333 --> 00:09:47,000 >> TIM, THE STATE PUBLISHED A 311 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,966 TIMELINE THIS WEEK THAT REALLY 312 00:09:48,966 --> 00:09:50,400 KIND OF STICKS OUT AT THIS POINT 313 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:56,800 THAT FOLKS 60 AND OLDER NOT AN 314 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,100 ESSENTIAL WORKER AND WORKING 315 00:09:58,100 --> 00:09:59,733 FROM HOME SHOULD NOT EXPECT TO 316 00:09:59,733 --> 00:10:01,900 SEE THE VACCINE UNTIL AUGUST. 317 00:10:01,900 --> 00:10:03,866 SO THIS IDEA WE WILL ALL BE 318 00:10:03,866 --> 00:10:06,600 NORMAL BY LATE SUMMER SEEMS TO 319 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,466 BE FADING AWAY PRETTY QUICKLY 320 00:10:08,466 --> 00:10:10,133 HERE THE SECOND OR THIRD WEEK IN 321 00:10:10,133 --> 00:10:10,700 JANUARY. 322 00:10:10,700 --> 00:10:12,133 >> ALL RIGHT RICK WE HEARD FROM 323 00:10:12,133 --> 00:10:13,433 THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE 324 00:10:13,433 --> 00:10:15,233 AND FORMER RICK SNYDER CHARGED 325 00:10:15,233 --> 00:10:17,566 WITH TWO COUNTS OF WILLINGFUL 326 00:10:17,566 --> 00:10:18,800 NEGLECT OF DUTY PEOPLE ARE 327 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,000 ASKING ARE YOU SURPRISED BY 328 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,000 THAT? 329 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,966 >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD 330 00:10:22,966 --> 00:10:25,233 CALL IT -- CONSIDER MYSELF 331 00:10:25,233 --> 00:10:25,633 SURPRISED. 332 00:10:25,633 --> 00:10:27,600 I DO THINK THAT IT OPENS UP A 333 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,833 VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION 334 00:10:29,833 --> 00:10:32,766 ABOUT WHAT YOU AS AN ELECTED 335 00:10:32,766 --> 00:10:35,433 OFFICIAL CAN AND CANNOT DO, 336 00:10:35,433 --> 00:10:37,133 SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT DO AND HOW 337 00:10:37,133 --> 00:10:39,300 YOU WILL OR WILL NOT BE JUDGED. 338 00:10:39,300 --> 00:10:41,933 AND I THINK THAT THERE IS A CASE 339 00:10:41,933 --> 00:10:44,800 TO BE MADE THAT THIS COULD HAVE 340 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,433 AN IMPACT ON THAT. 341 00:10:46,433 --> 00:10:48,733 SO AM I SURPRISED THAT THERE 342 00:10:48,733 --> 00:10:49,500 WERE CHARGES? 343 00:10:49,500 --> 00:10:50,433 PROBABLY NOT. 344 00:10:50,433 --> 00:10:52,166 A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN CHARGES 345 00:10:52,166 --> 00:10:54,366 WERE DROPPED AND THIS NEW 346 00:10:54,366 --> 00:10:57,033 INVESTIGATION BEGAN, I THINK THE 347 00:10:57,033 --> 00:10:58,233 EXPECTATION WAS THAT THERE WOULD 348 00:10:58,233 --> 00:11:00,800 BE CHARGES AND SO WE HAVE SEEN A 349 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,133 LOT OF THEM NOW. 350 00:11:02,133 --> 00:11:03,966 NINE DIFFERENT PEOPLE CHARGED ON 351 00:11:03,966 --> 00:11:07,100 A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TYPE OF 352 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:09,200 CHARGES BUT THE FACT THAT YOU 353 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,966 HAVE A FORMER GOVERNOR OF THE 354 00:11:10,966 --> 00:11:12,433 STATE OF MICHIGAN WHO HAS BEEN 355 00:11:12,433 --> 00:11:17,033 CHARGED WITH ESSENTIALLY 356 00:11:17,033 --> 00:11:19,166 NEGLECTING PAYING ENOUGH 357 00:11:19,166 --> 00:11:20,033 ATTENTION TO THE PEOPLE WORKING 358 00:11:20,033 --> 00:11:20,566 FOR HIM. 359 00:11:20,566 --> 00:11:22,366 IF I YOU KNOW COULD BOIL IT DOWN 360 00:11:22,366 --> 00:11:25,400 TO MY OWN VERY SIMPLISTIC 361 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:26,066 LANGUAGE. 362 00:11:26,066 --> 00:11:28,033 AND I JUST I THINK IT'S GOING TO 363 00:11:28,033 --> 00:11:30,700 BE A VERY INTERESTING CASE TO 364 00:11:30,700 --> 00:11:32,233 SEE HOW THAT TURNS OUT AND WHAT 365 00:11:32,233 --> 00:11:33,533 IMPACT THAT COULD HAVE GOING 366 00:11:33,533 --> 00:11:35,900 FORWARD ON OTHER GOVERNORS AND 367 00:11:35,900 --> 00:11:38,500 OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS. 368 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:39,533 >> CHAD? 369 00:11:39,533 --> 00:11:41,033 >> TO THAT POINT I MEAN THIS 370 00:11:41,033 --> 00:11:42,366 CURRENT OCCUPANT OF THE 371 00:11:42,366 --> 00:11:45,466 GOVERNOR'S OFFICE HAS SOME REAL 372 00:11:45,466 --> 00:11:47,366 ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE POLICIES 373 00:11:47,366 --> 00:11:49,133 RELATED TO NURSING EMHOWS AT THE 374 00:11:49,133 --> 00:11:50,600 BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC. 375 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,633 NURSING HOMES HAVE BEEN GROUND 376 00:11:52,633 --> 00:11:54,633 ZERO FOR DEATH IN THIS STATE. 377 00:11:54,633 --> 00:11:57,700 37% OF THE DEATHS, 7.5% OF THE 378 00:11:57,700 --> 00:11:59,200 CASES IN MICHIGAN TOTALLY OUT OF 379 00:11:59,200 --> 00:11:59,733 WHACK. 380 00:11:59,733 --> 00:12:02,766 AND SO THE MEDIA YOU KNOW BEING 381 00:12:02,766 --> 00:12:04,066 IF I'M THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN 382 00:12:04,066 --> 00:12:05,200 RIGHT NOW I'M HAVING A LITTLE 383 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,866 BIT OF A PAUSE ABOUT AN ATTORNEY 384 00:12:07,866 --> 00:12:09,233 GENERAL GOING AFTER A GOVERNOR 385 00:12:09,233 --> 00:12:10,866 OVER DECISION MAKING THAT WENT 386 00:12:10,866 --> 00:12:13,166 MAYBE WAY FURTHER DOWN THE LINE. 387 00:12:13,166 --> 00:12:14,600 AND THEN THERE IS A GENERAL 388 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,333 QUESTION OF YOU KNOW, THE CASE 389 00:12:17,333 --> 00:12:19,266 IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE 390 00:12:19,266 --> 00:12:21,100 INDICTMENTS THAT CAME DOWN 391 00:12:21,100 --> 00:12:22,366 YESTERDAY THERE IS NOT MUCH 392 00:12:22,366 --> 00:12:24,166 DIFFERENCE THAN WHAT TODD FLOOD 393 00:12:24,166 --> 00:12:29,666 UNDER BILL SCHUTTE AND THE 394 00:12:29,666 --> 00:12:32,833 FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF GERD IS 395 00:12:32,833 --> 00:12:34,400 BASED ON ALLEGED FALSE TESTIMONY 396 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,100 HE MADE IN FEBRUARY OF 2017. 397 00:12:38,100 --> 00:12:41,400 SAME THING FOR RICH BAIRD THE 398 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,833 GOVERNOR'S FORMER RIGHT HAND MAN 399 00:12:43,833 --> 00:12:45,333 AND LOOKS LIKE THE SAME CASES 400 00:12:45,333 --> 00:12:47,433 WILL BE LAID OUT AS FAR AS 401 00:12:47,433 --> 00:12:50,566 MANSLAUGHTER AGAINST NICK LIONS 402 00:12:50,566 --> 00:12:52,700 THE FORMER HEALTH DIRECTOR AND 403 00:12:52,700 --> 00:12:55,266 EDEN WELLS THE FORMER CHIEF 404 00:12:55,266 --> 00:12:59,866 MEDICAL EXECUTIVE. 405 00:12:59,866 --> 00:13:01,766 SODA THAT NESSEL'S TEAM IS 406 00:13:01,766 --> 00:13:04,033 CARVING A VERY SIMILAR PATH THAT 407 00:13:04,033 --> 00:13:07,266 BILL SCHUTTE'S TEAM WAS WELL 408 00:13:07,266 --> 00:13:10,033 DOWN BEFORE SHE DROPPED THOSE 409 00:13:10,033 --> 00:13:11,866 CHARGES IN JUNE OF 19 AND 410 00:13:11,866 --> 00:13:13,066 STARTED OVER. 411 00:13:13,066 --> 00:13:14,866 >> IN ALL THERE WERE 42 COUNTS 412 00:13:14,866 --> 00:13:16,700 AGAINST THE NINE PEOPLE AND RICK 413 00:13:16,700 --> 00:13:18,000 IF YOU LOOKED AT THE ALLEGATIONS 414 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,100 THAT THE AG'S OFFICE BROUGHT 415 00:13:20,100 --> 00:13:21,966 FORTH IT APPEARED FROM FIRST 416 00:13:21,966 --> 00:13:24,466 BLUSH IT LOOKS LIKE RICH BAIRD 417 00:13:24,466 --> 00:13:27,233 HAS THE MOST PROBLEMS EXTORTION, 418 00:13:27,233 --> 00:13:28,533 PERJURY AND TWO OTHER CHARGES IN 419 00:13:28,533 --> 00:13:28,866 THERE. 420 00:13:28,866 --> 00:13:30,566 WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THAT? 421 00:13:30,566 --> 00:13:34,233 >> WELL, YOU ASKED EARLIER WAS I 422 00:13:34,233 --> 00:13:35,400 SURPRISED, I WAS SURPRISED BY 423 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:35,933 THOSE. 424 00:13:35,933 --> 00:13:36,500 THEY ARE DEALING WITH 425 00:13:36,500 --> 00:13:37,366 INFORMATION I DON'T HAVE. 426 00:13:37,366 --> 00:13:39,033 SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT 427 00:13:39,033 --> 00:13:39,900 THAT'S BASED ON. 428 00:13:39,900 --> 00:13:41,133 BUT YES I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT. 429 00:13:41,133 --> 00:13:44,266 I THINK HE IS FACING A SERIOUS 430 00:13:44,266 --> 00:13:45,900 LEGAL HURDLE. 431 00:13:45,900 --> 00:13:48,366 AND I THINK IT WILL, AGAIN, IT'S 432 00:13:48,366 --> 00:13:49,900 GOING TO BE REALLY INTERESTING 433 00:13:49,900 --> 00:13:51,700 FOR THOSE OF US WHO WILL WATCH 434 00:13:51,700 --> 00:13:55,000 THIS CLOSELY TO SEE EXACTLY HOW 435 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,000 DID THOSE CHARGES COME ABOUT. 436 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,900 WHAT WAS THE THREAT APPARENTLY 437 00:13:59,900 --> 00:14:02,100 THAT HE MADE AGAINST 438 00:14:02,100 --> 00:14:03,533 INVESTIGATORS AT SOME POINT. 439 00:14:03,533 --> 00:14:05,366 YOU KNOW, HOW DID THAT PLAY OUT. 440 00:14:05,366 --> 00:14:06,100 WHAT WAS IT. 441 00:14:06,100 --> 00:14:09,066 AND AGAIN BEING VERY CAUTIOUS TO 442 00:14:09,066 --> 00:14:10,500 POINT OUT I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY I 443 00:14:10,500 --> 00:14:11,766 STILL THINK THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP 444 00:14:11,766 --> 00:14:13,433 IN MIND THAT ALL OF THESE ARE 445 00:14:13,433 --> 00:14:13,833 ALLEGATIONS. 446 00:14:13,833 --> 00:14:15,266 NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVEN. 447 00:14:15,266 --> 00:14:16,600 NOTHING WILL BE PROVEN UNTIL 448 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:17,800 THIS GOES THROUGH THE COURT 449 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:18,800 SYSTEM SO IT'S GOING TO BE 450 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,000 INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT PROOF 451 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,566 THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE 452 00:14:22,566 --> 00:14:23,566 WILL BRING FORWARD. 453 00:14:23,566 --> 00:14:25,133 BUT I WOULD THINK ALL OF THESE 454 00:14:25,133 --> 00:14:26,600 EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THEM HAVE 455 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,533 LESSER CONSEQUENCES I THINK THEY 456 00:14:28,533 --> 00:14:29,700 ARE ALL QUITE SERIOUS AND I 457 00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:32,466 THINK IT IS GOING TO BE A VERY 458 00:14:32,466 --> 00:14:34,766 INTERESTING SET OF TRIALS TO 459 00:14:34,766 --> 00:14:36,633 WATCH. 460 00:14:36,633 --> 00:14:38,400 >> TIM. 461 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,300 >> WE HAVE TO CALL IN OUR GUEST 462 00:14:41,300 --> 00:14:43,633 REPRESENTATIVE TOM ALBERT ON 463 00:14:43,633 --> 00:14:48,766 WEST MICHIGAN AND THE HOUSE 464 00:14:48,766 --> 00:14:50,666 APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE AND WE 465 00:14:50,666 --> 00:14:52,333 WILL GET STARTED WITH EMILY 466 00:14:52,333 --> 00:14:53,833 GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON THE SHOW. 467 00:14:53,833 --> 00:14:54,600 >> THANKS TIM. 468 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:55,733 >> HI REPRESENTATIVE. 469 00:14:55,733 --> 00:14:57,300 YOU KNOW, THE INCOMING 470 00:14:57,300 --> 00:15:00,333 BIDEN/HARRIS ADMINISTRATION JUST 471 00:15:00,333 --> 00:15:01,600 ANNOUNCED THEY ARE GOING TO TRY 472 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,700 TO PASS ANOTHER 1.9 TRILLION 473 00:15:03,700 --> 00:15:06,000 DOLLAR STIMULUS PACKAGE. 474 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,533 AND THE MICHIGAN STATE BUDGET 475 00:15:07,533 --> 00:15:09,200 CERTAINLY COULDN'T HAVE BEEN 476 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:10,766 HEALTHY LAST YEAR WITHOUT 477 00:15:10,766 --> 00:15:11,833 FEDERAL AID. 478 00:15:11,833 --> 00:15:13,600 HOW MUCH AID DO YOU ANTICIPATE 479 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,066 WILL BE NECESSARY IN THE BUDGET 480 00:15:16,066 --> 00:15:18,600 GOING FORWARD AND WHAT KIND OF 481 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,100 DEFICITS DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE 482 00:15:20,100 --> 00:15:20,933 STATE OF MICHIGAN WILL FACE 483 00:15:20,933 --> 00:15:24,766 BECAUSE OF COVID-19? 484 00:15:24,766 --> 00:15:27,400 >> YEAH, THANKS ABIGAIL. 485 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:28,100 APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. 486 00:15:28,100 --> 00:15:30,833 IT'S JUST THERE IS TOO MANY 487 00:15:30,833 --> 00:15:32,066 VARIABLES FOR ME TO REALLY HAVE 488 00:15:32,066 --> 00:15:33,133 AN ESTIMATE ON THAT. 489 00:15:33,133 --> 00:15:36,800 IF YOU LOOK SO THE CONSENSUS 490 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,600 REVENUE CONFERENCE WILL COME OUT 491 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:39,066 TODAY. 492 00:15:39,066 --> 00:15:42,266 AND IT'S GOING TO -- THE 493 00:15:42,266 --> 00:15:43,366 HEADLINE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE 494 00:15:43,366 --> 00:15:45,000 IT'S AN ROSY PICTURE AND LOOK 495 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,333 LIKE WE HAVE LOTS OF MONEY. 496 00:15:46,333 --> 00:15:49,000 BUT THE REASON IT'S NOT ACTUALLY 497 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,700 THAT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IS 498 00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:53,066 BECAUSE WE HAD ESTIMATED A 15% 499 00:15:53,066 --> 00:15:55,766 REDUCTION IN REVENUE FOR TAX 500 00:15:55,766 --> 00:15:57,500 REVENUE AND WHAT WE ARE SEEING 501 00:15:57,500 --> 00:16:00,100 MORE LIKE A 7% REDUCTION SO IT'S 502 00:16:00,100 --> 00:16:02,300 ACTUALLY LAST YEAR WAS NOT AS 503 00:16:02,300 --> 00:16:04,966 BAD AS WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS. 504 00:16:04,966 --> 00:16:05,733 SO I DON'T KNOW. 505 00:16:05,733 --> 00:16:07,466 LIKE ARE WE GOING TO START 506 00:16:07,466 --> 00:16:07,800 REOPENING? 507 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,366 ARE WE GOING TO START HAVING 508 00:16:09,366 --> 00:16:11,000 MORE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY FROM THE 509 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:11,600 BOTTOM UP? 510 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,433 THAT JUST CHANGES SO MUCH OF 511 00:16:13,433 --> 00:16:15,366 WHAT WE CAN EXPECT FOR REVENUES. 512 00:16:15,366 --> 00:16:17,466 I CAN TELL YOU WHAT WE HAVE SEEN 513 00:16:17,466 --> 00:16:20,100 LAST YEAR WAS IT WAS TOP DOWN. 514 00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:23,300 THE ONLY REASON WE HAVE AS ROSY 515 00:16:23,300 --> 00:16:25,300 OF A PICTURE AS WE HAVE NOW IS 516 00:16:25,300 --> 00:16:26,966 THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LITERALLY 517 00:16:26,966 --> 00:16:28,833 PUMPED BILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO 518 00:16:28,833 --> 00:16:30,433 THE STATE OF MICHIGAN. 519 00:16:30,433 --> 00:16:35,200 THAT WAS WAS PPP LOAN AND 600, 520 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,333 UIA AND DIRECT PAYMENTS TO 521 00:16:37,333 --> 00:16:39,066 TAXPAYERS ALL OF THAT MONEY CAME 522 00:16:39,066 --> 00:16:41,566 IN THROUGH SALES TAX REVENUE AND 523 00:16:41,566 --> 00:16:43,366 YOU KNOW CORPORATE INCOME TAX 524 00:16:43,366 --> 00:16:44,366 WAS HIGH AS WELL. 525 00:16:44,366 --> 00:16:45,966 SO I CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION 526 00:16:45,966 --> 00:16:47,600 AS TO WHAT TO EXPECT. 527 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,500 BUT WE ARE DEFINITELY NOT OUT OF 528 00:16:49,500 --> 00:16:52,266 THE WOODS. 529 00:16:52,266 --> 00:16:54,400 >> REPRESENTATIVE TIM STARTED BY 530 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:55,500 CONGRATULATING YOU ON YOUR NEW 531 00:16:55,500 --> 00:16:55,900 POSITION. 532 00:16:55,900 --> 00:16:57,266 I GUESS I WILL DO THAT TOO WITH 533 00:16:57,266 --> 00:16:59,666 A BIT OF CAUTION BECAUSE THERE 534 00:16:59,666 --> 00:17:01,400 COULD BE SOME INCOMING FIRE IN 535 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,500 THIS NEW POSITION GIVEN THE 536 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:04,833 PRESSURES THAT MAY BE ON THE 537 00:17:04,833 --> 00:17:06,933 STATE BUDGET AND ALSO THE 538 00:17:06,933 --> 00:17:07,733 DIFFERENCES THAT THE 539 00:17:07,733 --> 00:17:09,766 REPUBLICAN-LED HOUSE AND SENATE 540 00:17:09,766 --> 00:17:11,133 MAY HAVE WITH THIS GOVERNOR. 541 00:17:11,133 --> 00:17:12,333 THERE HAS BEEN CONVERSATION 542 00:17:12,333 --> 00:17:14,400 ABOUT WITHHOLDING MONEY OR 543 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,633 WITHHOLDING FUNDS FROM SOME 544 00:17:16,633 --> 00:17:17,766 EXPENDITURES. 545 00:17:17,766 --> 00:17:19,700 UNTIL THE GOVERNOR MORE FULLY 546 00:17:19,700 --> 00:17:21,666 OPENS UP THE STATE, CAN YOU 547 00:17:21,666 --> 00:17:22,933 ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE BIT? 548 00:17:22,933 --> 00:17:25,633 AND WHAT THE -- HOW SERIOUS THAT 549 00:17:25,633 --> 00:17:29,533 IS AND ALSO HOW FINANCIALLY 550 00:17:29,533 --> 00:17:31,266 RESPONSIBLE OR IRRESPONSIBLE 551 00:17:31,266 --> 00:17:33,366 THAT WOULD BE? 552 00:17:33,366 --> 00:17:34,366 >> WELL THANKS FOR THAT 553 00:17:34,366 --> 00:17:35,466 QUESTION, RICK. 554 00:17:35,466 --> 00:17:36,966 I THINK IT'S FUNNY THE WAY MY 555 00:17:36,966 --> 00:17:38,300 PRESS RELEASE HAS BEEN PRESENTED 556 00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:39,533 IN THE MEDIA. 557 00:17:39,533 --> 00:17:41,533 I ACTUALLY DID NOT USE THE WORD 558 00:17:41,533 --> 00:17:42,400 WITHHOLDING ONCE THIS THAT 559 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:43,066 ENTIRE RELEASE. 560 00:17:43,066 --> 00:17:45,566 WHAT I SAID WAS UNLESS WE START 561 00:17:45,566 --> 00:17:46,666 REOPENING I'M NOT GOING TO START 562 00:17:46,666 --> 00:17:47,866 HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE 563 00:17:47,866 --> 00:17:51,166 GOVERNOR SO WE NEED TO HAVE 564 00:17:51,166 --> 00:17:52,166 CHECKS AND BALANCES IN THE 565 00:17:52,166 --> 00:17:52,466 STATE. 566 00:17:52,466 --> 00:17:54,500 WE HAVE NOT OVER THIS LAST YEAR. 567 00:17:54,500 --> 00:17:56,500 THE GOVERNOR HAS CONTINUED TO 568 00:17:56,500 --> 00:17:58,400 TRY TO MAKE UNILATERAL 569 00:17:58,400 --> 00:17:58,900 DECISIONS. 570 00:17:58,900 --> 00:18:00,100 AND SOME OF THESE HAVE BEEN 571 00:18:00,100 --> 00:18:05,533 VERY, VERY DISERASTOUS. 572 00:18:05,533 --> 00:18:07,566 SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IT'S MY 573 00:18:07,566 --> 00:18:15,466 RESPONSIBILITY THE LEGISLATURE 574 00:18:15,466 --> 00:18:17,066 HAS THE POWER OF THE PURSE AND 575 00:18:17,066 --> 00:18:18,333 WE WILL MAKE SURE THE MONEY GETS 576 00:18:18,333 --> 00:18:20,700 OUT THERE IN WAYS THAT BOTH CAN 577 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:22,333 HELP PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY IN A 578 00:18:22,333 --> 00:18:25,000 LOT OF NEED RIGHT NOW AND ALSO 579 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,466 AT THE SAME TIME MAKING SURE WE 580 00:18:26,466 --> 00:18:29,566 HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES. 581 00:18:29,566 --> 00:18:31,500 >> BUT REPRESENTATIVE YOU'RE NOT 582 00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:33,400 GOING TO TALK TO HER. 583 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,366 YOU AND THE SENATE WILL DO THIS 584 00:18:35,366 --> 00:18:36,966 ON YOUR OWN AND JUST LEAVE HER 585 00:18:36,966 --> 00:18:37,566 OUT? 586 00:18:37,566 --> 00:18:39,000 >> IT'S UP TO THE GOVERNOR. 587 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,100 YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING 588 00:18:40,100 --> 00:18:41,533 THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS NEVER 589 00:18:41,533 --> 00:18:43,566 DONE EVEN IN MY TENURE. 590 00:18:43,566 --> 00:18:45,433 IN 2017 WHEN I WAS WORKING ON 591 00:18:45,433 --> 00:18:47,200 PENSION REFORM FOR THE STATE 592 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,266 TEACHERS PENSION SYSTEM THE 593 00:18:49,266 --> 00:18:50,466 GOVERNOR WAS NOT ON THE SAME 594 00:18:50,466 --> 00:18:52,366 PAGE AS THE LEGISLATURE SO HE 595 00:18:52,366 --> 00:18:53,966 WASN'T INVOLVED IN BUDGET 596 00:18:53,966 --> 00:18:55,700 NEGOTIATIONS UNTIL HE DECIDED TO 597 00:18:55,700 --> 00:18:57,533 WORK WITH US. 598 00:18:57,533 --> 00:18:58,933 >> LET'S BE CLEAR HERE IF SHE 599 00:18:58,933 --> 00:19:00,533 SAYS I'M NOT GOING TO REOPEN ON 600 00:19:00,533 --> 00:19:02,333 YOUR SCHEDULE BUT ON MY SCHEDULE 601 00:19:02,333 --> 00:19:04,400 YOU WON'T TALK TO HER ON COVID 602 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,033 SPENDING, FAIR STATEMENT? 603 00:19:07,033 --> 00:19:08,266 >> LET'S HOPE IT DOESN'T COME TO 604 00:19:08,266 --> 00:19:09,133 THAT, TIM. 605 00:19:09,133 --> 00:19:10,200 >> WELL, IS THAT A FAIR 606 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,200 STATEMENT? 607 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,633 >> TIM, I'M GOING TO STICK TO MY 608 00:19:14,633 --> 00:19:16,233 GUNS ON THIS AND STICK TO MY 609 00:19:16,233 --> 00:19:16,700 STATEMENT. 610 00:19:16,700 --> 00:19:17,966 SHE STARTS REOPENING WE WILL 611 00:19:17,966 --> 00:19:19,366 START TALKING. 612 00:19:19,366 --> 00:19:24,433 >> AND IF SHE DOESN'T YOU WON'T? 613 00:19:24,433 --> 00:19:25,500 >> HOPEFULLY SHE GETS THE 614 00:19:25,500 --> 00:19:26,900 MESSAGE. 615 00:19:26,900 --> 00:19:28,700 >> CHAD. 616 00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:29,466 >> REPRESENTATIVE, THERE IS 617 00:19:29,466 --> 00:19:32,333 NOTHING YOU CAN REALLY DO IN 618 00:19:32,333 --> 00:19:34,500 BOILERPLATE TO YOU KNOW MANDATE 619 00:19:34,500 --> 00:19:35,366 REOPENINGS. 620 00:19:35,366 --> 00:19:38,666 SHE CAN JUST SAY IT'S 621 00:19:38,666 --> 00:19:40,533 UNENFORCEABLE BOILERPLATE OR 622 00:19:40,533 --> 00:19:43,633 LINE ITEM VETO YOUR SPENDING 623 00:19:43,633 --> 00:19:45,466 DECISIONS OR VETO THE WHOLE 624 00:19:45,466 --> 00:19:45,966 THING. 625 00:19:45,966 --> 00:19:47,800 SHE IS NOT AFRAID TO DO THAT, 626 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,733 SHE HAS PROVEN THAT A COUPLE 627 00:19:49,733 --> 00:19:50,700 TIMES NOW RIGHT? 628 00:19:50,700 --> 00:19:52,700 >> SHE HAS VETOED FUNDING FOR 629 00:19:52,700 --> 00:19:54,766 SCHOOL SAFETY GRANTS AND AUTISM 630 00:19:54,766 --> 00:19:58,033 AND WILLING TO REALLY VETO WHAT 631 00:19:58,033 --> 00:20:00,300 EVER NEEDED TO USE THE PEOPLE OF 632 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:02,000 MICHIGAN AS PAWNS TO MEET HER 633 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,033 POLITICAL OBJECTIVE. 634 00:20:03,033 --> 00:20:04,200 SO YOU KNOW I WOULD AGREE WITH 635 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,000 THAT. 636 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,433 >> WHAT IS THE LEGISLATURE'S 637 00:20:08,433 --> 00:20:10,800 PACKAGE OF POLICIES GOING 638 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,966 FORWARD WITH DEALING WITH THE 639 00:20:12,966 --> 00:20:14,866 PANDEMIC? 640 00:20:14,866 --> 00:20:16,933 BECAUSE AS WE NOTED EARLIER, 641 00:20:16,933 --> 00:20:20,466 FOLKS AGE 16 AND UP WHO ARE NOT 642 00:20:20,466 --> 00:20:22,366 IN ONE OF THESE OR BASICALLY 643 00:20:22,366 --> 00:20:25,800 16-65 THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO 644 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,533 GET THE VACCINE UNTIL MID TO 645 00:20:27,533 --> 00:20:30,166 LATE SUMMER AT THIS RATE OF ROLL 646 00:20:30,166 --> 00:20:32,333 OUT BASED ON HOW THE FEDERAL 647 00:20:32,333 --> 00:20:33,566 GOVERNMENT HAS DONE SO FAR. 648 00:20:33,566 --> 00:20:36,033 SO WHAT IS THE LEGISLATURE'S 649 00:20:36,033 --> 00:20:38,666 PLAN FOR MITIGATING, YOU KNOW, 650 00:20:38,666 --> 00:20:41,933 MORE DEATH IN THIS STATE? 651 00:20:41,933 --> 00:20:43,400 >> WELL, ONE THING I THINK 652 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,400 BEFORE I GET TO THAT ONE THING I 653 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:46,833 THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO 654 00:20:46,833 --> 00:20:48,900 POINT OUT ONE THING I WOULD DO 655 00:20:48,900 --> 00:20:50,633 DIFFERENTLY IF I WAS IN CHARGE 656 00:20:50,633 --> 00:20:52,233 WE WOULD HAVE A COUNTY BY COUNTY 657 00:20:52,233 --> 00:20:53,300 APPROACH BASED ON DATA. 658 00:20:53,300 --> 00:20:55,433 RIGHT NOW HERE IS THE PROBLEM WE 659 00:20:55,433 --> 00:20:57,133 WERE 48 HOURS BEFORE THE 660 00:20:57,133 --> 00:20:59,233 DEADLINE WAS SUPPOSED TO EXPIRE 661 00:20:59,233 --> 00:21:01,066 TODAY ON THE 15TH AND RESTAURANT 662 00:21:01,066 --> 00:21:02,400 OWNERS HAD NO IDEA WHAT TO 663 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,400 EXPECT. 664 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,266 AND EVEN CALIFORNIA HAS A 665 00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:09,700 METRIC-BASED SYSTEM SO BUSINESS 666 00:21:09,700 --> 00:21:11,833 OWNERS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING 667 00:21:11,833 --> 00:21:13,833 TO WORK TO PUT A ROOF OVER THEIR 668 00:21:13,833 --> 00:21:15,733 HEAD AND FEED THEIR KIDS CAN AT 669 00:21:15,733 --> 00:21:17,133 LEAST HAVE SOME HOPE AND SOME 670 00:21:17,133 --> 00:21:19,833 IDEA AND SOME CLARITY AS TO WHEN 671 00:21:19,833 --> 00:21:21,000 THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO 672 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,600 BACK TO WORK. 673 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:23,766 IT'S NOT THAT HARD. 674 00:21:23,766 --> 00:21:26,400 I MEAN, IT CAN BE BASED -- OTHER 675 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,166 STATES BASED ON POSITIVITY RATES 676 00:21:28,166 --> 00:21:30,033 OF TESTING, BASED ON CASE 677 00:21:30,033 --> 00:21:33,900 GROWTH, BASED ON HOSPITALIZATION 678 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:35,266 RATE IN THAT REGION SO THAT IS A 679 00:21:35,266 --> 00:21:38,166 REALLY IMPORTANT POINT THAT I 680 00:21:38,166 --> 00:21:39,200 WANT TO GET OUT THERE. 681 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,400 I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO JUST 682 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,900 CART BLANCHE OPEN THE STATE AND 683 00:21:43,900 --> 00:21:45,766 NOT HAVE ANY THOUGHT OR ANY 684 00:21:45,766 --> 00:21:47,333 ANALYSIS INTO HOW TO DO IT 685 00:21:47,333 --> 00:21:47,633 SAFELY. 686 00:21:47,633 --> 00:21:49,133 I'M JUST SAYING IT NEEDS TO BE 687 00:21:49,133 --> 00:21:50,966 MORE TRANSPARENT AND PEOPLE NEED 688 00:21:50,966 --> 00:21:53,166 TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT 689 00:21:53,166 --> 00:21:56,266 THEY'RE EXPECTATIONS ARE. 690 00:21:56,266 --> 00:21:58,100 NOW AS TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE 691 00:21:58,100 --> 00:21:59,500 DIFFERENT AGES AND WHEN THEY 692 00:21:59,500 --> 00:22:02,433 WILL GET VACCINES IT'S 693 00:22:02,433 --> 00:22:03,400 OVERWHELMINGLY CLEAR AND JUST 694 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,400 LOOKED AT C.D.C.'S DATA FROM THE 695 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,133 PAST WEEK IF YOU ARE UNDER 50 696 00:22:07,133 --> 00:22:08,333 YEARS OLD IF YOU LOOK AT THE 697 00:22:08,333 --> 00:22:10,766 NUMBER OF KNOWN POSITIVE CASES 698 00:22:10,766 --> 00:22:13,066 AND MORTALITIES THERE IS .3% OF 699 00:22:13,066 --> 00:22:15,666 DEATH. 700 00:22:15,666 --> 00:22:18,400 UP TO 85 AND OLDER THE MORTALITY 701 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,300 IS 21% SO THERE IS A PRETTY 702 00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:21,533 STARK DIFFERENCE AND THAT GOES 703 00:22:21,533 --> 00:22:23,800 IN THE VACCINE ROLL OUT, VACCINE 704 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,266 ROLL OUT HAS BEEN AN UTTER 705 00:22:26,266 --> 00:22:26,700 DISASTER. 706 00:22:26,700 --> 00:22:28,766 I DID LOGISTICS IN THE MARINE 707 00:22:28,766 --> 00:22:30,033 CORPS SO I ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT 708 00:22:30,033 --> 00:22:31,433 OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA. 709 00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:32,566 AND I CAN TELL YOU THE 710 00:22:32,566 --> 00:22:33,400 FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM WE HAVE 711 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,133 RIGHT NOW IS IT'S A TOP DOWN 712 00:22:35,133 --> 00:22:36,100 APPROACH AND PEOPLE THAT ARE 713 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:37,866 DOWN AT THE BOTTOM ARE NOT 714 00:22:37,866 --> 00:22:40,133 HAVING INPUT IN DECISIONS. 715 00:22:40,133 --> 00:22:41,833 I TALKED TO HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS 716 00:22:41,833 --> 00:22:42,966 THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THEY HAVE 717 00:22:42,966 --> 00:22:44,166 RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN 718 00:22:44,166 --> 00:22:45,700 THE SHIPMENTS WILL COME IN AND 719 00:22:45,700 --> 00:22:47,000 HOW MANY THEY WILL GET. 720 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:47,933 DESPITE THE FACT THAT THERE 721 00:22:47,933 --> 00:22:49,266 MIGHT BE AN ISSUE OF THE STATES 722 00:22:49,266 --> 00:22:50,733 NOT GETTING AS MUCH OF THE 723 00:22:50,733 --> 00:22:52,700 VACCINES AS THEY WANT, THEY CAN 724 00:22:52,700 --> 00:22:54,100 STILL PLAN PROPERLY WITH WHAT 725 00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:55,300 THEY HAVE. 726 00:22:55,300 --> 00:22:57,366 SO AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT 727 00:22:57,366 --> 00:22:59,600 BECAUSE THE FIRST SHOT IS THE 728 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,400 TWO-SHOT PROCESS. 729 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,866 THE FIRST SHOT ONLY IS 52% 730 00:23:03,866 --> 00:23:04,433 EFFECTIVE. 731 00:23:04,433 --> 00:23:06,300 BUT THREE WEEKS LATER AND IT'S 732 00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:07,866 VERY IMPORTANT YOU GET IT IN 733 00:23:07,866 --> 00:23:09,400 THAT THREE WEEK WINDOW BECAUSE 734 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,466 IT'S NOT EFFECTIVE IF YOU GET IT 735 00:23:11,466 --> 00:23:13,066 AT A DIFFERENT TIMEFRAME IT GOES 736 00:23:13,066 --> 00:23:16,200 UP TO 95 PERCENT EFFECTIVE SO 737 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,733 HOSPITALS ARE CONCERNED WHEN IT 738 00:23:17,733 --> 00:23:18,800 COMES TO THE SECOND SHOT THEY 739 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,966 WON'T HAVE THE SUPPLY THEY NEED. 740 00:23:20,966 --> 00:23:21,800 >> REPRESENTATIVE DO YOU SUPPORT 741 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,533 THE BAN OF OPEN CARRY IN THE 742 00:23:23,533 --> 00:23:25,366 MICHIGAN LEGISLATURE, SIR? 743 00:23:25,366 --> 00:23:27,500 >> I DO NOT SUPPORT THE CAPITOL 744 00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:28,566 COMMISSION DOING IT. 745 00:23:28,566 --> 00:23:32,366 I DON'T FEEL THEY HAVE THE 746 00:23:32,366 --> 00:23:33,066 AUTHORITY TO DO SO. 747 00:23:33,066 --> 00:23:35,100 I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT 748 00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:36,466 BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO COME 749 00:23:36,466 --> 00:23:38,100 THROUGH A LEGISLATIVE CHANNEL 750 00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:39,600 AND WE ARE THE ONES WHO SHOULD 751 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:40,466 BE MAKING DETERMINATIONS LIKE 752 00:23:40,466 --> 00:23:41,000 THAT. 753 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,400 >> IS THE LEGISLATURE GOING TO 754 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,433 VOTE TO UNDO THAT? 755 00:23:45,433 --> 00:23:47,166 >> THAT'S A QUESTION FOR SPEAKER 756 00:23:47,166 --> 00:23:48,700 WENTWORTH. 757 00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:51,100 >> WELL. 758 00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:52,000 >> ON THE BOARD. 759 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,100 >> WELL, YOU WOULD SUPPORT A 760 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:56,666 BILL TO UNDO WHAT THE CAPITOL 761 00:23:56,666 --> 00:24:00,500 COMMISSION DID, IS THAT FAIR? 762 00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:01,766 >> I DON'T WANT TO PUT IT THAT 763 00:24:01,766 --> 00:24:04,300 WAY, TIM, IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M 764 00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:05,400 AGAINST IT. 765 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,033 I'M IN THE CAPITOL AND I HAVE A 766 00:24:07,033 --> 00:24:08,200 FAMILY TO SUPPORT AND WANT TO 767 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,433 MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE. 768 00:24:09,433 --> 00:24:12,500 I HAVE YOU KNOW THE MOST 769 00:24:12,500 --> 00:24:13,666 CONFIDENCE I COULD HAVE IN OUR 770 00:24:13,666 --> 00:24:15,566 LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT WE HAVE IN 771 00:24:15,566 --> 00:24:17,333 THE CAPITOL AND THE STATE POLICE 772 00:24:17,333 --> 00:24:17,866 THAT ARE THERE. 773 00:24:17,866 --> 00:24:19,800 I THINK THEY DO A GREAT JOB. 774 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,533 THAT BEING SAID I'M A STRONG 775 00:24:21,533 --> 00:24:22,466 SUPPORTER OF THE SECOND 776 00:24:22,466 --> 00:24:24,466 AMENDMENT BUT THE OPEN CARRY ON 777 00:24:24,466 --> 00:24:25,533 THE CAPITOL I DON'T THINK IS 778 00:24:25,533 --> 00:24:26,833 NECESSARY AND IF THERE IS A BILL 779 00:24:26,833 --> 00:24:28,233 TO YOU KNOW TO REMOVE OPEN CAR 780 00:24:28,233 --> 00:24:29,800 ARE I IN THE CAPITOL I WOULD 781 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,066 SUPPORT IT. 782 00:24:31,066 --> 00:24:32,966 >> TWO MINUTES LEFT ABIGAIL THEN 783 00:24:32,966 --> 00:24:34,700 WE WILL DO OVER TIME BUT ABIGAIL 784 00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:36,200 BACK TO YOU. 785 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,433 >> YOU KNOW ONE OF THE REASONS 786 00:24:37,433 --> 00:24:38,966 THE CAPITOL COMMISSION SAID THIS 787 00:24:38,966 --> 00:24:40,866 WEEK THAT THEY DIDN'T GO AS FAR 788 00:24:40,866 --> 00:24:42,700 AS BANNING CONCEALED CARRY IN 789 00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:44,666 THE CAPITOL WAS BECAUSE OF 790 00:24:44,666 --> 00:24:45,900 BUDGET CONCERNS. 791 00:24:45,900 --> 00:24:47,233 DO YOU THINK THERE WOULD BE AN 792 00:24:47,233 --> 00:24:49,066 APPETITE THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE 793 00:24:49,066 --> 00:24:52,333 TO PASS A BILL BANNING CONCEALED 794 00:24:52,333 --> 00:24:54,533 CARRY OR APPROPRIATE SOME FUNDS 795 00:24:54,533 --> 00:24:56,400 AT LEAST FOR ADDITIONAL OFFICERS 796 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,966 TO CHECK PERMITS OR HAVE METAL 797 00:24:59,966 --> 00:25:01,866 DETECTORS OR BAG CHECKS, THAT 798 00:25:01,866 --> 00:25:03,966 KIND OF THING? 799 00:25:03,966 --> 00:25:04,700 >> I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING 800 00:25:04,700 --> 00:25:05,833 THAT COULD BE EXPLORED THROUGH 801 00:25:05,833 --> 00:25:08,100 THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS. 802 00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:10,066 YOU KNOW, CHAD, YOUR POINT YOU 803 00:25:10,066 --> 00:25:11,500 HAD MADE EARLIER ABOUT COMPARING 804 00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:13,266 THE STATE CAPITOL TO THE FEDERAL 805 00:25:13,266 --> 00:25:14,166 BUILDINGS AND THE COURTHOUSE 806 00:25:14,166 --> 00:25:16,333 NEXT DOOR, YOU KNOW, IT'S A 807 00:25:16,333 --> 00:25:17,833 FAIRWAY TO THINK OF IT. 808 00:25:17,833 --> 00:25:19,266 BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO KEEP IN 809 00:25:19,266 --> 00:25:20,900 MIND I IMAGINE TENS OF THOUSANDS 810 00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:22,666 OF ESPECIALLY FOURTH GRADERS 811 00:25:22,666 --> 00:25:24,033 COME THROUGH THE CAPITOL EVERY 812 00:25:24,033 --> 00:25:26,200 YEAR, SO YOU KNOW LOGISTICALLY 813 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,000 ARE WE GOING TO YOU KNOW MAKE IT 814 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,566 SO HARD FOR GROUPS LIKE THAT TO 815 00:25:30,566 --> 00:25:31,566 COME THROUGH THAT WE ARE 816 00:25:31,566 --> 00:25:33,233 ACTUALLY CLOSING OFF THE PEOPLE 817 00:25:33,233 --> 00:25:34,800 OF MICHIGAN BEING ABLE TO COME 818 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,000 AND YOU KNOW, LEARN THE HISTORY 819 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,233 OF THEIR STATE. 820 00:25:38,233 --> 00:25:39,166 SO I DO THINK THAT IS AN 821 00:25:39,166 --> 00:25:40,600 IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION TO KEEP 822 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,966 IN MIND AS WELL. 823 00:25:42,966 --> 00:25:45,933 THERE WOULD BE A BIG COST TO DO 824 00:25:45,933 --> 00:25:47,800 TO ADD METAL DETECTORS AND 825 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,066 ADDITIONAL SECURITY AND THAT'S 826 00:25:49,066 --> 00:25:50,633 THE TYPE OF THING WHERE I WOULD 827 00:25:50,633 --> 00:25:52,566 NEED TO SEE WHAT THE LAW 828 00:25:52,566 --> 00:25:53,700 ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ARE 829 00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:54,600 RECOMMENDING BEFORE I COULD 830 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,466 WEIGH IN ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 831 00:25:56,466 --> 00:25:58,133 >> VERY GOOD REPRESENTATIVE WE 832 00:25:58,133 --> 00:25:59,966 ARE GOING TO DO AN OVER TIME 833 00:25:59,966 --> 00:26:01,733 SEGMENT AND WRAP UP IN THE 834 00:26:01,733 --> 00:26:03,766 GOVERNOR ACCUSED OR ALLEGED THAT 835 00:26:03,766 --> 00:26:05,966 YOU WERE HOLDING THE COVID MONEY 836 00:26:05,966 --> 00:26:07,833 HOSTAGE DO YOU PLEAD GUILTY YEAH 837 00:26:07,833 --> 00:26:09,933 OR NAY? 838 00:26:09,933 --> 00:26:11,966 >> DID I USE THE WORD HOSTAGE IN 839 00:26:11,966 --> 00:26:13,900 THAT PRESS RELEASE? 840 00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:14,566 >> SHE DID. 841 00:26:14,566 --> 00:26:16,933 SHE USED THE WORD HOSTAGE. 842 00:26:16,933 --> 00:26:18,466 >> ALL I SAID IS I WOULD LIKE TO 843 00:26:18,466 --> 00:26:19,800 WORK TOGETHER. 844 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,566 >> VERY GOOD. 845 00:26:21,566 --> 00:26:23,566 I WANT TO GO HOME. 846 00:26:23,566 --> 00:26:25,433 OKAY SIT TIGHT WE WILL BE BACK 847 00:26:25,433 --> 00:26:28,200 WITH AFTER CLOSED CREDITS WITH 848 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,966 MORE WITH THE CHAIR 849 00:26:30,966 --> 00:26:32,666 APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE 850 00:26:32,666 --> 00:26:34,166 REPRESENTATIVE TOM ALBERT. 851 00:26:34,166 --> 00:26:34,866 PRODUCTION OF OFF THE RECORD IS 852 00:26:34,866 --> 00:26:35,533 MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY THE 853 00:26:35,533 --> 00:26:36,233 FOLLOWING, BUSINESS LEADERS FOR 854 00:26:36,233 --> 00:26:36,933 MICHIGAN HAS A STRATEGIC PLAN TO 855 00:26:36,933 --> 00:26:37,633 MAKE MICHIGAN A TOP TEN STATE IN 856 00:26:37,633 --> 00:26:38,300 THE NATION FOR JOBS, PERSONAL 857 00:26:38,300 --> 00:26:38,966 INCOME AND A HEALTHY ECONOMY 858 00:26:38,966 --> 00:26:39,666 LEARN MORE AT MICHIGAN ROAD TO 859 00:26:39,666 --> 00:26:40,033 TOP TEN.COM. 860 00:26:40,033 --> 00:26:40,700 FOR MORE OFF THE RECORD VISIT 861 00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:41,300 WKAR.ORG MICHIGAN PUBLIC 862 00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:41,900 TELEVISION STATIONS HAVE 863 00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:42,600 CONTRIBUTED TO THE PRODUCTION 864 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:43,300 COSTS OF OFF THE RECORD WITH TIM 865 00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:44,300 SKUBICK.