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LAWLER AND CHUCK STOKES ALONG


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WITH DEVIN SCILLIAN.


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HERE IS THE RUN DOWN.


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A CONVICTED FELON ELECTED TO THE


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HOUSE, WILL HE BE SEATED.


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AND NEWLY ELECTED HOUSE


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DEMOCRATIC LEADER TIM GREIMEL


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MAKES HIS DEBUT.


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ALL THIS MANDATORY COMING UP


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RIGHT NOW, "OFF THE RECORD."


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>>> NOW THIS EDITION OF "OFF THE


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RECORD" WITH TIM SKUBICK.


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>>> WELCOME TO THIS EDITION


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WHERE WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE


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ELECT BRIAN BANKS WHO IS A


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CONVICTED FELON AS FOR CHECK


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BOUNCING AND THERE IS A QUESTION


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WHETHER HE MAY BE SEATED OR NOT.


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SHOUT STORY PLAYING IN DETROIT?


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>> EVERYBODY COVERED IT LEADING


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UP TO IT.


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YET, HOW DID IT HAPPEN PEOPLE


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ASK IT'S A HEALTHY REMINDER WE


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WANT TO TAKE POTENCY OUT OF


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ELECTIONS BUT WE WILL BE IN BIG


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TROUBLE WHEN WE DON'T THERE IS


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NO NEED TO GET TO THE POLLS.


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THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS,


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HANGING IN THE BALANCE.


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>> Tim: HERE IS THE POINT.


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PEOPLE IN DETROIT KNEW ABOUT HIS


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RECORD AND THEY VOTED HIM IN.


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>> HE GOT 68% OF THE VOTE.


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THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT FOR MANY


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OTHER PEOPLE THAT HE IS


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REPRESENTING, THEY LOOK AT THAT


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AND IT'S AN INSPIRATION AND TAKE


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YOURSELF, SOMEBODY WHO HAS DONE


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WRONG AND TURN YOURSELF AROUND


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AND GET AN EDUCATION MAKE GOOD.


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WHEN FIRST IT JUST LOOKED LIKE


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IT HAPPENED EIGHT YEARS AGO AND


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HE IS NOW ON THE RIGHT PATH.


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DID HE REALLY LEARN HIS LESSON.


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WHAT HE HAS DONE RECENTLY HE HAS


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CHARGES FROM SEVERAL LAWSUITS


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OUT THERE IN TERMS BAD CHECK


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WRITING.


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>> Tim: DIDN'T PAY HIS CAMPAIGN


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OFFICE?


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>> ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER.


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>> Tim: THIS IS NOT A GOOD WEEK.


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WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SHE SHOWS UP


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TO BE SEATED?


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>> I THINK THERE IS A GOOD


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CHANCE THAT REPUBLICANS WILL


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FORCE A VOTE ON HIM.


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>> Tim: BEFORE THEY SEAT HIM?


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>> I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TIME


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FOR THEM TO DO IT BECAUSE PEOPLE


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HAVE TO TAKE A STAND FOR A


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CONVICTED FELON THAT MAY HAVE


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MORE IN THE WORKS.


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>> THE CONSTITUTION IS QUITE


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CLEAR YOU CAN'T SEATED A PERSON


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FOR A BREACH OF THE PUBLIC TRUST


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AND A FELONY.


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SO IS EIGHT BREACH OF THE PUBLIC


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TRUST.


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WE'RE NOT ALL ATTORNEYS BUT WE


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PLAY ONE ON TV.


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HOW WILL THIS COME DOWN?


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>> SIMILARLY WE SEE THE HOME


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RULE ARGUMENTS COME UP ALL THE


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TIME.


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WHO SHOULD BE MAKING A DECISION


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ON THIS.


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MY FOLKS ON DISTRICT ONE WHO HAS


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THE MOST AT STAKE.


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CHUCK IS RIGHT THERE.


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IS PRECEDENT FOR REDEMPTION


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STORIES.


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JOHNSON WHO HAS HAD A GOOD


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CAREER SINCE THEN.


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>> WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN KICKED OUT


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OF TWO PLACES RECENTLY FOR NOT


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BEING ABLE TO A MAKE YOUR


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PAYMENTS AND LOSE YOUR CAR.


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>> I WONDER IF THE VOTERS HAD


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KNOWN ABOUT THE MOST RECENT


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STUFF PRIOR TO ELECTION.


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>> Tim: DIDN'T THEY KNOW THAT.


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>> I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH PRIOR


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TO ELECTION DAY AND THERE IS


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TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF POTENTIAL.


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>> IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE


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FORGONE CONCLUSION ABOUT THE


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ELECTION THE WAY MANY OF THE


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DISTRICTS ARE CARVED.


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>> Tim: THERE WAS NO WAY HE


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COULD LOSE IT?


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>> I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE


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A QUESTION ABOUT RESIDENCY.


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HIS CURRENT LANDLORD HE HAS NOT


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PAID RENT FOR NOVEMBER.


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NOT RETURNING PHONE CALLS.


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THERE WILL BE A POINT HE CAN'T


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RUN IN THAT DISTRICT.


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>> IT'S A PUBLIC TRUST ISSUE.


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IT'S GOT TO BE MORE GERMANE AS A


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FITNESS FOR OFFICE, HAS A HARD


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TIME BALANCING MY CHECKPOINT.


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>> WHAT TYPE OF RESIDENT DO YOU


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WANT.


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IS THIS A SHINING EXAMPLE OF


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GOOD REPRESENTATION AND THE BEST


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YOU CAN HAVE, NOT JUST IN TERMS


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OF EVERYTHING BUT CHARACTER.


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>> Tim: YOU PICK UP THE


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REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE ARE


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PERTURBED AND THEY WENT AFTER


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THE SPEAKER.


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IS THIS A PAY BACK.


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I'M NOT SAYING IT IS RIGHT OR


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WRONG?


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>> I PICKED UP ON THE CHATTER


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BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS


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SPECIFICALLY A VEHICLE.


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WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT A 55


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SPLIT, BUT I THINK THERE ARE


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OTHER THINGS.


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>> Tim: ANOTHER WAY AROUND THE


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CONSTITUTION.


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THIS ISN'T A BREACH OF THE


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PUBLIC TRUST.


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YOU SEE THEM AND PROCEED TO


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EXPEL THEM AND THEN YOU DON'T


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HAVE THE WAY TO GO IN WHICH IS


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THE WORST WAY TO START A NEW


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YEAR.


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GOVERNOR SNYDER, WILL THESE GUYS


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EVER LET ME DO WHAT I WANT TO


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DO?


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>> AND HE MAY HAVE DIFFICULTY


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FROM HIS OWN CAUCUS WHICH HE MAY


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NOT WANT AND RIGHT TO WORK MAY


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BE HIS WORST NIGHTMARE.


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>> THE VENGEFUL IDEA HERE SOME


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THAT WE'RE READY TO CALL THE


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RIGHT TO WORK BILL THE BOB KING,


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WE HAD A DOG THAT WAS ASLEEP AND


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YOU WENT AND KICKED IT.


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I'M NOT SURE I WOULD BUY IF


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THERE WAS A RIGHT TO WORK THAT


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WAS STARTING TO BREW ANYWAY.


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>> Tim: VERY GOOD GUYS.


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[ LAUGHTER ]


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>> I GUESS I MISSED THAT, OKAY?


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>> I'VE BEEN GOING TO PUSH IT.


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WILL THEY DO THIS IN LAME DUCK?


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>> I THINK LAME DUCK, LOOKING AT


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THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE


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HAPPENED IN OTHER STATES, YOU


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WANT IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.


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YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE SLEEPING


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OR GIVE THAT MUCH TIME TO


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ORGANIZE.


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>> THEY ARE SENDING PRESS


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RELEASES AND E-MAILS THIS IS


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PERFECT TIME TO DO THAT.


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THEY HAVE ALL THE POWER.


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IF YOU CAN'T DO IT NOW WHEN CAN


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YOU DO IT?


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>> THE QUESTION COMES WHAT IS


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THE GOVERNOR GOING TO DO WITH


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THIS.


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>> I THINK HE WILL BE ASKED BY


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G.O.P. TO PROVE HIS


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REPUBLICAN-NESS.


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THIS ISN'T A FIGHT HE WANTED


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PROBABLY FOR GOOD REASON BUT


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PROBABLY UNVOIDABLE.


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>>> WE HAVE CROSS-EXAMINED IT


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AND HE STAYS ON MESSAGE.


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HE SAYS THIS IS NOT ON MY AGENDA


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BUT YOU CAN READ THAT TO BE


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ANYTHING.


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[ LAUGHTER ]


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>> HERE IS A MAN THAT ALWAYS


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SAYS THAT HE IS NOT WORRIED


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ABOUT REELECTION.


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THAT IS NOT A CONCERN OF HIS,


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BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE FIT IN THAT


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JOB AND DON'T WORRY ABOUT


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GETTING ON SECOND TERM BECAUSE


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IT'S HARD TO DO EVERYTHING YOU


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WANT TO DO IN FOUR YEARS TIME.


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IF HE DOES -- IT'S A CAMPAIGN


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ISSUE THAT WANT TO USE IT


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AGAINST HIM.


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>> Tim: WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO


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THE DISCUSSIONS HE HAD WITH


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ORGANIZED LABOR THAT FAILED TO


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KEEP IT OFF THE BALLOT.


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THEY SAID, GOVERNOR, JUST SAY


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YOU WILL VETO THIS.


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WE KNOW WE HE COULDN'T DO IT IT


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WOULD BE SUICIDE FOR HIM, RIGHT?


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>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT


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REELECTION I THINK IT WOULD OPEN


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HIM UP TO A PRIMARY, A RIGHT TO


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WORK REPUBLICAN, LOOK THE


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GOVERNOR, WOULDN'T SUPPORT THIS.


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>> Tim: WOULD IT MAKE ANY


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DIFFERENCE IF WE PASSED RIGHT TO


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WORK.


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THE JURY IS SPLIT ON THIS, DOES


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IT NOT?


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IT DOESN'T CREATE JOBS?


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>> THE TRACK RECORD, I DON'T


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THINK THERE IS ENOUGH SOLID


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TRACK RECORD THERE.


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PEOPLE WANT TO POINT TO THE


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STATES THAT RIGHT TO WORK HAS


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BEEN PART OF IT.


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YOU LOOK AT THE SOUTHERN STATES


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AND SOME OF THE OTHER ILLS AND


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POVERTY RATES AND EDUCATION


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SYSTEM, IT'S HARD TO ADD UP THAT


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IT MEANS SUCCESS.


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THE SYMBOLISM IS WHERE IT WOULD


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MEAN A LOT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE ON


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BOTH SIDES.


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>> IT WOULD BE A POPULAR ISSUE


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FROM STATE TO STATE, INDIANA AND


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WISCONSIN.


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IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ONE OF THOSE


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THINGS THAT IS ACCEPTABLE LIKE


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TENNESSEE WHERE I USED TO LIVE


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BUT NOW IT'S MOVING ITS WAY


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NORTH.


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>> IT'S DOING IT IN TEXAS BUT


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THEY ARE GOING TO LEAVE THE


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COUNTRY SO IT'S IRRELEVANT.


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[ LAUGHTER ]


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>> LEAVING THE REST OF THE


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UNITED STATES, EXACTLY.


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>> AND ALL THE DO-GOODERS, WHAT


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IS WRONG WITH THE PROCESS?


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>> THE ONE THING PEOPLE POINT


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TO -- YOU ARE PAYING PEOPLE TO


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HAVE A POSITION PUTS ON PEOPLE


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WHO DON'T NECESSARILY.


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IT'S NOT THE GRASSROOTS MASSES


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OF PEOPLE THAT THE CONSTITUTION


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ENVISIONED BY TAKING THIS ON.


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IT'S PEOPLE THAT GET A DOLLAR A


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SIGNATURE.


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>> ON THE ONE HAND, THERE IS


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SOMETHING ICKY ABOUT THAT BUT


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DIDN'T IT WORK?


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DIDN'T THE PROCESS PLAY OUT.


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PEOPLE SEEM TO BE NOT REALLY OF


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THE MIND OF THE CONSTITUTION ALL


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THAT MUCH.


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DESPITE $150 MILLION SPENT ON


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SPECIAL INTEREST ADVERTISING,


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THEY SAID NO TO EVERYTHING.


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>> THE RESULTS ALONE STOP US


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FROM BECOMING LIKE CALIFORNIA OR


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OTHER TYPE OF REFERENDUM STATES.


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THE MESSAGE MAY BE CLEAR, WE


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AREN'T BUYING THAT AND DON'T PUT


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THIS REFERENDUM STUFF.


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PART OF THE REASON WE'RE


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STARTING TO SEE THESE


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REFERENDUMS IS BECAUSE OF THE


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FACT THAT REPUBLICANS CONTROL


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EVERYTHING IN THEIR STATE AND


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DEMOCRATS AND LEGISLATURE FEEL


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WE CAN'T GET ANYTHING THROUGH


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THE NORMAL SYSTEM.


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LET'S GO AROUND THE SYSTEM.


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>> LABOR WOULD BE EXHIBIT "A"


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AND ANTI-TAX PEOPLE ON PROP 5,


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SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH THAT


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THROUGH.


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THAT IS THE ARGUMENT.


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AT THE END OF THE DAY PEOPLE


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VOTING INTELLIGENTLY ON THESE


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BALLOT PROPOSALS REGARDLESS OF


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HOW THEY GOT THERE.


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>> IT SPEAKS WELL.


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PROPOSAL 6 I DON'T THINK ANYBODY


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THINK THINKS THE BRIDGE ADS WERE


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ABOVE BOARD AND PEOPLE WERE ABLE


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TO SEE THE OTHER SIDE BEING


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WILDLY OUTSPENT.


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I'M NOT TRYING TO WEIGH IN WHAT


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IS RIGHT OR WRONG, BUT THE ADS


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WERE DIFFICULT.


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EVERY TRUTH TELLING SERUM THAT


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WAS APPLIED TO THE ADS THISWERE


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DISHONEST.


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>> WE HAVE LEGISLATION COMING


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FROM REPRESENTATIVE HORN TO


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CHANGE PART OF THE SYSTEM.


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>> YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE


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CHANGES WOULD ENTAIL.


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>> Tim: IN CONGRESSIONAL


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DISTRICTS, INSTEAD ALL THE NAMES


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DOWN IN DETROIT YOU NEED NAMES


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IN EACH DISTRICT.


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IT'S MORE BROADER THING.


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YOU PAY THE CIRCULATERS BUT THE


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COURTS SAY IT'S FREE SPEECH, YOU


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ARE NOT PAYING FOR THE NAMES BUT


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THE PERSON TO CIRCULATE.


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>> I THINK IT'S STICKY THING.


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>> THESE DISTRICTS HAVE BEEN SO


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SURGICALLY CARVED.


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YOU MAY BE CREATING A DIFFICULT


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LITMUS TEST.


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REPRESENTATIVE, PLEASE....


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>> WITH JUST EIGHT MONTHS UNDER


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HIS BELT AS REPRESENTATIVE FROM


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PONTIAC AND AUBURN HILLS, TIM


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GREIMEL WAS JUST ELECTED HOUSE


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DEMOCRATIC LEADER.


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HE IS A LABOR AND CIVE RIGHTS


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ATTORNEY SERVED FOR SEVEN YEARS


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ON HIS LOCAL SCHOOL BOARD


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INCLUDING A TERM AS PRESIDENT.


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HE WAS ELECTED TO THE OAKLAND


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COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS IN


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2007.


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HE EARNED HIS DEGREES FROM THE


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UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN.


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>> REPRESENTATIVE,


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CONGRATULATIONS ON THE ELECTION?


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>> THANK YOU, TIM.


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IT'S GREAT TO BE ON THE SHOW.


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>> Tim: THIS IS YOUR DEBUT.


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>> THAT IS RIGHT.


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THIS MY FIRST TIME ON "OFF THE


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RECORD" AND I'M EXCITED TO BE


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HERE.


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>> YOU MADE IT THROUGH THE


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CAUCUS BUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING


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THROUGH THE TRANSITION PERIOD?


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>> THERE IS LOTS OF WORK TO DO


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OBVIOUSLY.


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THERE ARE TWO THINGS WE ARE


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WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY.


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ONE IS PREPARING FOR LAME DUCK


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AND ANY LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS


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THAT THE REPUBLICANS WILL PUSH


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FOR LAME DUCK AND THE OTHER IS


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NEXT TERM.


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IT STARTS IN JANUARY AND THERE


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IS COMMITTEE TO MAKE DECISIONS


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ABOUT.


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THERE ARE NUMBER OF OTHER


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ADMINISTRATIVE DECISIONS.


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>> WHAT TERM LIMITS HAVE DONE TO


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INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE.


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YOU WERE JUST ELECTED SEVEN


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MONTHS AGO AND HERE YOU ARE A


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DEMOCRATIC LEADER.


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DO YOU FIND IT "A" SURPRISING


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BUT ALSO "B" DAUNTING.


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MY HUNCH YOU BARELY LEARNED


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WHERE THE BATHROOMS ARE IN THE


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CAPITAL?


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>> I WOULDN'T GO THAT FAR.


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IT'S CERTAINLY TRUE THIS HAS


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BEEN A QUICK LEARNING PERIOD FOR


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DEMOCRATIC LEADER.


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I'M HONORED BY THE TRUST OF MY


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COLLEAGUES HAVE PUT IN ME TO


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LEAD THE CAUCUS US.


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IT'S A TEAM EFFORT.


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WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH THIS AS


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A TEAM AS A DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS.


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I HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC VISION


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FOR WHAT THE CAUCUS CAN DO AND


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YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE TERM


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LIMITS AND LACK OF KNOWLEDGE


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THAT COMES WITH THAT.


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THAT IS ONE OF NICE THINGS ABOUT


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ME STEPPING INTO THE DEMOCRATIC


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LEADER ROLE.


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I CAN PORNLLY SERVE IN THAT


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CAPACITY FOR SIX YEARS.


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IF I RUN FOR ANOTHER OFFICE


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MAYBE I WONDER SERVE AS THIRD


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TERM BUT I CAN MENTOR THE THEN


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DEMOCRATIC LEADER.


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EITHER WAY IT PROVIDES


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LEADERSHIP OF THE DEMOCRATIC


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PARTY.


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WE HAVE VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS


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THEY MIGHT TRY TO PUSH RIGHT TO


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WORK.


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IT'S BAD FOR MICHIGAN.


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IT'S BAD FOR MIDDLE-CLASS AND


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WORKING FAMILIES.


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IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATES THAT


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HAVE RIGHT TO WORK LAWS THEY


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HAVE MUCH LOWER PAY FOR WORKERS


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THAN MICHIGAN DOES AND HAVE


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HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT RATES.


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IT'S A VERY SERIOUS CONCERN OF


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OURS.


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I MADE IT CLEAR TO SPEAKER


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BOLGER IF THE REPUBLICANS PUSH


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RIGHT TO WORK THAT THEY CAN


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EXPECT US NOT TO PROVIDE ANY


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COOPERATION ON A NUMBER OF OTHER


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BILLS THAT SHOULD BE VERY


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BIPARTISAN IN NATURE.


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IF THEY PUSH RIGHT TO WORK, THAT


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IS DIVISIVE ISSUE AND IT'S GOING


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SOUR AND POISON THE ATMOSPHERE


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IN LANSING.


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>> IS THAT AN ULTIMATUM?


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>> I WOULDN'T DESCRIBE IT AS


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THAT.


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PUSHING RIGHT TO, WORK IS SUCH A


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DISASTROUS POLICY FOR MICHIGAN.


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>> SOMETHING IN THE OTHER


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DIRECTION?


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>> I DON'T THINK SO.


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I KNOW THAT IS HOW THE


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REPUBLICANS WOULD LIKE TO


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DESCRIBE PROPOSAL 2, BUT THE


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FACT OF THE MATTER IS PROPOSAL 2


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WAS NOT ABOUT RIGHT TO WORK.


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PROPOSAL 2 WOULD HAVE DONE A LOT


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MORE THAN JUST PREVENT US....


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>> BUT IT WAS ATTACKED


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REPUBLICANS?


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>> THERE WAS LOST DISCUSSION


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ABOUT PUSHING RIGHT TO WORK.


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>> IT WAS TIPPING POINT?


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>> I WOULDN'T KNOW IF I WOULD


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SAY THAT.


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I THINK THE REPUBLICANS WOULD


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LIKE TO USE THIS AS AN EXCUSE


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FOR RIGHT TO WORK.


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I DON'T THINK THIS IS RULE CAUSE


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OF THEIR WANTED RIGHT TO WORK.


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I JUST WANT TO SAY THERE IS A


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LOT OF REASONS WHY PROPOSAL 2


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FAILED.


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PART OF IT PEOPLE NOT WANTED


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RIGHT TO WORK BUT RATHER THEY


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HAD CONCERNS A NUMBER OF THESE


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POLICIES IN THE CONSTITUTION.


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OF COURSE, THERE WERE VERY


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MISLEADING ADS ON OTHER SIDE


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PASSING PROPOSAL 2 WOULD OPEN


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THE DOOR TO CHILD MOLESTERS AND


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DRUNK TEACHERS.


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IT WAS A BUNCH OF NONSENSE.


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>> DO YOU THINK THE REPUBLICAN


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CAUCUS FOLLOWS THE GOVERNOR'S


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LEAD ENOUGH AND HAS THE GOVERNOR


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BEEN FORCEFUL ENOUGH WHAT HE


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DOES OR DOES NOT WANT?


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>> IT'S NOT SECRET THAT THE


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GOVERNOR AND LEGISLATURE HAVE


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NOT BEEN ON THE SAME PAGE ON A


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NUMBER OF ISSUES.


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>> WHAT DOES THAT SUGGEST TO YOU


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ABOUT THE GOVERNOR AND


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LEGISLATURE?


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>> I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT


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PRIORITIES.


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A NUMBER OF REPUBLICAN


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LEGISLATORS ARE LITTLE MORE


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EXTREME IN PUSHING A FAR RIGHT


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AGENDA THAN THE GOVERNOR IS.


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THE GOVERNOR HAS PROPOSED A


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NUMBER OF POLICIES THAT SHOULD


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BE BIPARTISAN IN NATURE.


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THERE ARE A LOT OF POLICIES THAT


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THE GOVERNOR HAS PROPOSED THAT


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WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH HIM


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AND WORK TOGETHER ACROSS THE


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AISLE.


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>> DO YOU SEE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE


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WHAT HAPPENED NATIONALLY IN


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TERMS OF THE PRESIDENTIAL


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ELECTION AND IS REPUBLICAN PARTY


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PERHAPS BEING IN DISARRAY IN


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WHAT IT WANTS TO DO?


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>> I THINK WE HAVE SEEN SOME


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PUSHBACK ON MOST EXTREME


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ELEMENTS IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY


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IN THE TEA PARTY.


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IF YOU LOOK AT SENATE ARRESTS IN


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INDIANA AND OUTLANDISH COMMENTS


19:37.926 --> 19:43.698
THE REPUBLICAN SENATE MADE.


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IF YOU LOOK AT REPUBLICANS


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ALIENATED SIGNIFICANT PORTIONS


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OF THE AMERICAN POPULATION BY


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TAKING EXTREMIST POSITIONS ON


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IMMIGRATION I THINK THEY WANTED


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FOLKS TO ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES


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AND FOCUS ON SOLUTIONS INSTEAD


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OF I HAD YOMG AND RHETORIC.


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>> WHAT ISSUES WILL YOU PUSH FOR


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TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT


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DEMOCRATS HAVE A BIGGER VOICE IN


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THE LEGISLATURE WHICH THEY HAVE


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NOW WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY NOW


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MAYBE WOULD SAY?


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>> NUMBER ONE, I THINK WE'LL


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HAVE A LITTLE MORE INFLUENCE IN


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THE LEGISLATURE AS A RESULT OF


20:18.533 --> 20:19.767
PICKING UP SEATS IN THIS


20:19.835 --> 20:20.134
ELECTION.


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THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL


20:23.072 --> 20:25.272
OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE A


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MEANINGFUL DIFFERENCE ON POLICY.


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HOPEFULLY THE RESULTS THEMSELVES


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AND REPUBLICANS' MAJORITY IN THE


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LEGISLATURE WILL MODERATE THEIR


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POLICY AGENDA.


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THERE ARE SPECIFIC PROPOSALS


20:36.918 --> 20:38.218
THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS PUT FORTH,


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ONE IS THE TRANSIT AUTHORITY FOR


20:40.521 --> 20:41.888
SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN THAT OUR


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POLICIES THAT DEMOCRATS BY AND


20:43.891 --> 20:44.557
LARGE SUPPORT.


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WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE


20:45.827 --> 20:47.327
GOVERNOR TO ACHIEVE THOSE VERY


20:47.394 --> 20:49.529
ROOL REAL SOLUTIONS TO REAL


20:49.597 --> 20:50.797
ECONOMIC CHALLENGES FACING OUR


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STATE.


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>> YOU MENTIONED YOU WOULD VOTE


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ON IT NOW?


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>> IT'S AN ISSUE WE ARE LOOKING


20:59.640 --> 21:02.142
AT SERIOUSLY AT.


21:02.210 --> 21:05.712
WE TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY.


21:05.813 --> 21:07.714
WE BELIEVE ETHICS ARE EXTREMELY


21:07.782 --> 21:09.049
IMPORTANT TO THE STATE HOUSE.


21:09.150 --> 21:11.484
THAT GOES FOR REPRESENTATIVES ON


21:11.585 --> 21:13.419
BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE.


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WE BELIEVE REPRESENTATIVES HAVE


21:15.456 --> 21:18.658
TO BE HELD TO A HIGH ETHICAL


21:18.726 --> 21:20.493
STANDARDS AND THEY SHOULD BE


21:20.561 --> 21:22.162
HELD ACCOUNTABLE.


21:22.230 --> 21:23.797
THE STATE HOUSE SHOULDN'T


21:23.865 --> 21:25.398
OVERSTEP IT'S CONSTITUTIONAL


21:25.466 --> 21:26.733
AUTHORITY IN OVERRIDING THE WILL


21:26.801 --> 21:28.168
OF THE PEOPLE OF THE FIRST


21:28.269 --> 21:28.969
DISTRICT.


21:29.036 --> 21:30.503
WE'RE LOOKING VERY CAREFULLY AT


21:30.571 --> 21:31.204
THIS.


21:31.272 --> 21:32.739
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LIEU.


21:32.807 --> 21:34.241
WE'RE DEVELOPING AN APPROACH TO


21:34.308 --> 21:37.343
MOVE FORWARD AS A CAUCUS AND


21:37.411 --> 21:38.978
SIMILAR CRITERIA WHAT WAS THE


21:39.045 --> 21:40.379
NATURE OF THE FELONIES.


21:40.446 --> 21:42.648
DO THEY INDICATE A BREACH OF THE


21:42.715 --> 21:43.682
PUBLIC TRUST?


21:43.784 --> 21:46.185
WERE THEY COMMITTED WHILE SOON


21:46.253 --> 21:47.753
TO BE REPRESENTATIVE BANKS WAS


21:47.821 --> 21:50.055
IN OFFICE OR OUT OF OFFICE?


21:50.123 --> 21:54.393
TO WHAT EXTENT IS THE STATE HAS


21:54.460 --> 21:56.028
PURVIEW TO OVERRIDE THE PEOPLE


21:56.096 --> 21:57.729
IN THE FIRST DISTRICT?


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>> IF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAD


21:59.499 --> 22:01.200
DONE A BETTER JOB OF SCREENING


22:01.268 --> 22:01.967
THEIR CANDIDATES?


22:02.035 --> 22:09.008
>> THIS WAS NOT -- THIS WAS A


22:09.075 --> 22:09.675
PRIMARY ELECTION.


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IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT THE


22:10.777 --> 22:15.147
DEMOCRATIC PARTY GOT INVOLVED


22:15.248 --> 22:15.881
IN.


22:15.949 --> 22:20.252
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY --


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>> THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ELECTING


22:22.289 --> 22:25.191
NEVER GETS INVOLVED IN CONTESTED


22:25.258 --> 22:25.891
PRIMARIES.


22:25.959 --> 22:27.492
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FEELS VERY


22:27.593 --> 22:29.929
STRONGLY THAT THOSE KINDS OF


22:29.996 --> 22:32.164
DECISIONS SHOULD BE LEFT TO


22:32.232 --> 22:34.300
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY VOTERS.


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>> HAVE YOU MADE UP YOUR MIND


22:37.838 --> 22:38.904
WHETHER THIS GENTLEMAN SHOULD BE


22:38.972 --> 22:39.604
SEATED?


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>> I HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH BANKS


22:44.510 --> 22:47.146
AND WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT


22:47.214 --> 22:47.612
OPTIONS.


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>> Tim: HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE


22:48.781 --> 22:49.748
REPUBLICAN LEADER ABOUT THIS?


22:49.816 --> 22:50.781
>> WE HAVE HAD A BRIEF


22:50.850 --> 22:51.983
CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS AND


22:52.084 --> 22:53.184
NOTHING DEFINITIVE.


22:53.252 --> 22:55.320
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CONTINUING


22:55.387 --> 22:55.954
CONVERSATIONS.


22:56.021 --> 22:57.255
>> Tim: DID HE SAY WE'RE GOING


22:57.356 --> 23:01.492
TO WORK ON THIS OR THEY ARE NOT


23:01.560 --> 23:02.961
GOING TO SEAT HIM?


23:03.028 --> 23:05.129
>> HE DID NOT SAY ANYTHING


23:05.197 --> 23:06.464
DEFINITIVE ABOUT WHAT THE


23:06.531 --> 23:07.531
REPUBLICANS MIGHT DO.


23:07.632 --> 23:10.335
HE AND YOU ARE MEMBERS OF BOTH


23:10.402 --> 23:11.870
CAUCUSES ARE LOOKING AT OPTIONS


23:11.971 --> 23:15.039
AND MOVING FORWARD.


23:15.107 --> 23:17.475
>> HOW THE BANKS DECISION COULD


23:17.542 --> 23:20.912
IMPACT AN INDICTMENT OF HIM


23:21.013 --> 23:23.481
GOING TO SPEAKER BOG GEV?


23:23.548 --> 23:27.252
>> IF THE GRAND JURY DECIDE IF


23:27.319 --> 23:29.420
THEY WANT TO CHARGE SPEAKER


23:29.521 --> 23:31.089
BOLGER THAT WILL CHANGE DYNAMICS


23:31.156 --> 23:31.956
IN THE HOUSE.


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I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT


23:34.293 --> 23:36.794
YOU BRING THAT UP.


23:36.862 --> 23:39.063
CERTAINLY BRIAN BANKS WAS


23:39.164 --> 23:40.431
CONVICTED OF SOME FELONIES, A


23:40.499 --> 23:41.832
NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.


23:41.901 --> 23:44.735
THERE ARE NO CRIMINAL CHARGES


23:44.803 --> 23:46.271
PENDING AGAINST BYIAN BANKS,


23:46.338 --> 23:47.805
THAT IS IN CONTRAST TO THE


23:47.873 --> 23:52.176
SPEAKER WHO IS UNDER CRIMINAL


23:52.278 --> 23:54.078
INVESTIGATION -- WELL, WE CAN


23:54.213 --> 23:55.479
TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IF YOU


23:55.547 --> 23:56.347
WANT.


23:56.415 --> 23:59.450
IN TERMS OF SPEAKER BOLGER HE IS


23:59.518 --> 24:02.485
NOT CONVICTED OR CHARGED OF ANY


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CRIMES.


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HE IS SUBJECT TO A CRIMINAL


24:05.689 --> 24:06.957
INVESTIGATION THAT RELATED TO


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HIS OFFICIAL CAPACITY IN THE


24:11.195 --> 24:11.728
HOUSE.


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>> YOU GUYS ARE GOING AFTER


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BOGGER AND MAKE IT A


24:17.035 --> 24:17.867
TIT-FOR-TAT?


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>> I'M NOT SAYING THAT.


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ALL OF OUR OPTIONS FORWARD.


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>> ONE WOULD GET THE IMPRESSION


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IF THEY GO AFTER THIS ONE TOO


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MUCH, WE'VE GOT BOLGER.


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>> I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT


24:32.616 --> 24:34.985
THOSE THAT CRITICIZE BRIAN BANKS


24:35.086 --> 24:36.653
ARE FAIR HANDED AND EVEN HANDED


24:36.720 --> 24:40.723
IN THEIR APPROACH HERE.


24:40.825 --> 24:43.893
JUST AS THE CONSTITUTIONAL


24:43.962 --> 24:45.395
PROVISIONS, I THINK THERE IS AN


24:45.463 --> 24:50.334
ARGUMENT THEY DON'T APPLY TO


24:50.401 --> 24:51.201
BRIAN BANKS.


24:51.269 --> 24:52.469
THERE IS A QUESTION WHETHER THE


24:52.536 --> 24:53.937
ALLEGATIONS AGAINST BRIAN BANKS


24:54.038 --> 24:55.973
HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIS


24:56.074 --> 25:00.377
OFFICIAL CAPACITY OF BREACH OF


25:00.445 --> 25:01.178
PUBLIC TRUST.


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I THINK THE ALLEGATIONS PERTAIN


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TO HIS OFFICIAL CAPACITY.


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>> DOES AN INDICTMENT FOR A


25:07.151 --> 25:09.752
GRAND JURY PROVIDE REASON FOR


25:09.820 --> 25:10.354
EXPULSION?


25:10.421 --> 25:11.955
>> I DON'T THINK UNDER THE


25:12.023 --> 25:13.023
CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS THAT I


25:13.091 --> 25:15.057
AM FAMILIAR WITH THAT AN


25:15.158 --> 25:17.659
INDICTMENT ALONE IS SUFFICIENT


25:17.760 --> 25:19.895
FOR AN EXPULSION.


25:19.963 --> 25:21.230
IT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE IT HAS


25:21.298 --> 25:23.466
TO BE A CONVICTION.


25:23.533 --> 25:24.967
THERE MAY BE OTHER PROVISIONS


25:25.035 --> 25:27.103
OUT THERE THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF.


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IT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC IN THE


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SPEAKER'S POSITION WHILE BEING


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UNDER INDICTMENT BUT HE IS NOT


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INDICT YET.


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I DON'T WANT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS


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THAT ARE HYPOTHETICAL.


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>>> IT MIGHT BE IN QUESTION IF


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THERE WAS AN INDICTMENT?


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>> ULTIMATELY THAT IS SOMETHING


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THE MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE IS


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GOING TO DECIDE.


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>> WITH A NUDGE FROM THE BEES.


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THANKS FOR JOINING US.


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WE'RE AT OUR WEBSITE AND


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FACEBOOK AND TWITTER.


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WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK ON "OFF


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THE RECORD".


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