1 00:00:12,712 --> 00:00:15,346 LAWLER AND CHUCK STOKES ALONG 2 00:00:15,414 --> 00:00:16,347 WITH DEVIN SCILLIAN. 3 00:00:16,415 --> 00:00:17,816 HERE IS THE RUN DOWN. 4 00:00:17,884 --> 00:00:21,686 A CONVICTED FELON ELECTED TO THE 5 00:00:21,754 --> 00:00:25,456 HOUSE, WILL HE BE SEATED. 6 00:00:25,525 --> 00:00:27,659 AND NEWLY ELECTED HOUSE 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,761 DEMOCRATIC LEADER TIM GREIMEL 8 00:00:29,829 --> 00:00:30,829 MAKES HIS DEBUT. 9 00:00:30,897 --> 00:00:32,363 ALL THIS MANDATORY COMING UP 10 00:00:32,431 --> 00:00:34,198 RIGHT NOW, "OFF THE RECORD." 11 00:00:48,047 --> 00:00:48,747 ¶ 12 00:00:48,814 --> 00:00:49,213 ¶ 13 00:00:49,281 --> 00:01:05,263 ¶ 14 00:01:14,539 --> 00:01:15,238 ¶ 15 00:01:15,306 --> 00:01:31,288 ¶ 16 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,429 >>> NOW THIS EDITION OF "OFF THE 17 00:01:39,530 --> 00:01:40,898 RECORD" WITH TIM SKUBICK. 18 00:01:40,966 --> 00:01:43,233 >>> WELCOME TO THIS EDITION 19 00:01:43,334 --> 00:01:45,069 WHERE WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE 20 00:01:45,136 --> 00:01:48,906 ELECT BRIAN BANKS WHO IS A 21 00:01:48,974 --> 00:01:50,407 CONVICTED FELON AS FOR CHECK 22 00:01:50,475 --> 00:01:52,442 BOUNCING AND THERE IS A QUESTION 23 00:01:52,510 --> 00:01:54,712 WHETHER HE MAY BE SEATED OR NOT. 24 00:01:54,779 --> 00:01:58,248 SHOUT STORY PLAYING IN DETROIT? 25 00:01:58,316 --> 00:02:00,651 >> EVERYBODY COVERED IT LEADING 26 00:02:00,752 --> 00:02:02,686 UP TO IT. 27 00:02:02,787 --> 00:02:07,424 YET, HOW DID IT HAPPEN PEOPLE 28 00:02:07,492 --> 00:02:11,095 ASK IT'S A HEALTHY REMINDER WE 29 00:02:11,162 --> 00:02:13,764 WANT TO TAKE POTENCY OUT OF 30 00:02:13,865 --> 00:02:17,367 ELECTIONS BUT WE WILL BE IN BIG 31 00:02:17,435 --> 00:02:18,936 TROUBLE WHEN WE DON'T THERE IS 32 00:02:19,004 --> 00:02:20,337 NO NEED TO GET TO THE POLLS. 33 00:02:20,404 --> 00:02:23,440 THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS, 34 00:02:23,508 --> 00:02:24,574 HANGING IN THE BALANCE. 35 00:02:24,642 --> 00:02:25,775 >> Tim: HERE IS THE POINT. 36 00:02:25,843 --> 00:02:29,278 PEOPLE IN DETROIT KNEW ABOUT HIS 37 00:02:29,346 --> 00:02:31,914 RECORD AND THEY VOTED HIM IN. 38 00:02:31,982 --> 00:02:34,450 >> HE GOT 68% OF THE VOTE. 39 00:02:34,518 --> 00:02:39,221 THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT FOR MANY 40 00:02:39,289 --> 00:02:41,223 OTHER PEOPLE THAT HE IS 41 00:02:41,291 --> 00:02:44,060 REPRESENTING, THEY LOOK AT THAT 42 00:02:44,128 --> 00:02:46,763 AND IT'S AN INSPIRATION AND TAKE 43 00:02:46,864 --> 00:02:49,265 YOURSELF, SOMEBODY WHO HAS DONE 44 00:02:49,332 --> 00:02:52,234 WRONG AND TURN YOURSELF AROUND 45 00:02:52,302 --> 00:02:58,708 AND GET AN EDUCATION MAKE GOOD. 46 00:02:58,809 --> 00:03:01,343 WHEN FIRST IT JUST LOOKED LIKE 47 00:03:01,411 --> 00:03:03,680 IT HAPPENED EIGHT YEARS AGO AND 48 00:03:03,747 --> 00:03:05,481 HE IS NOW ON THE RIGHT PATH. 49 00:03:05,549 --> 00:03:08,985 DID HE REALLY LEARN HIS LESSON. 50 00:03:09,053 --> 00:03:11,187 WHAT HE HAS DONE RECENTLY HE HAS 51 00:03:11,288 --> 00:03:12,621 CHARGES FROM SEVERAL LAWSUITS 52 00:03:12,690 --> 00:03:17,927 OUT THERE IN TERMS BAD CHECK 53 00:03:18,028 --> 00:03:18,527 WRITING. 54 00:03:18,595 --> 00:03:20,963 >> Tim: DIDN'T PAY HIS CAMPAIGN 55 00:03:21,031 --> 00:03:21,998 OFFICE? 56 00:03:22,066 --> 00:03:25,434 >> ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER. 57 00:03:25,535 --> 00:03:29,906 >> Tim: THIS IS NOT A GOOD WEEK. 58 00:03:29,973 --> 00:03:31,607 WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SHE SHOWS UP 59 00:03:31,675 --> 00:03:32,241 TO BE SEATED? 60 00:03:32,309 --> 00:03:33,309 >> I THINK THERE IS A GOOD 61 00:03:33,410 --> 00:03:34,911 CHANCE THAT REPUBLICANS WILL 62 00:03:34,978 --> 00:03:36,312 FORCE A VOTE ON HIM. 63 00:03:36,379 --> 00:03:37,779 >> Tim: BEFORE THEY SEAT HIM? 64 00:03:37,847 --> 00:03:40,115 >> I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TIME 65 00:03:40,183 --> 00:03:43,185 FOR THEM TO DO IT BECAUSE PEOPLE 66 00:03:43,252 --> 00:03:47,422 HAVE TO TAKE A STAND FOR A 67 00:03:47,489 --> 00:03:49,991 CONVICTED FELON THAT MAY HAVE 68 00:03:50,059 --> 00:03:51,193 MORE IN THE WORKS. 69 00:03:51,260 --> 00:03:52,861 >> THE CONSTITUTION IS QUITE 70 00:03:52,962 --> 00:03:55,496 CLEAR YOU CAN'T SEATED A PERSON 71 00:03:55,564 --> 00:03:58,600 FOR A BREACH OF THE PUBLIC TRUST 72 00:03:58,667 --> 00:03:59,935 AND A FELONY. 73 00:04:00,036 --> 00:04:01,536 SO IS EIGHT BREACH OF THE PUBLIC 74 00:04:01,604 --> 00:04:02,170 TRUST. 75 00:04:02,338 --> 00:04:03,905 WE'RE NOT ALL ATTORNEYS BUT WE 76 00:04:03,973 --> 00:04:05,707 PLAY ONE ON TV. 77 00:04:05,775 --> 00:04:07,342 HOW WILL THIS COME DOWN? 78 00:04:07,409 --> 00:04:10,378 >> SIMILARLY WE SEE THE HOME 79 00:04:10,446 --> 00:04:12,247 RULE ARGUMENTS COME UP ALL THE 80 00:04:12,314 --> 00:04:12,881 TIME. 81 00:04:12,982 --> 00:04:14,382 WHO SHOULD BE MAKING A DECISION 82 00:04:14,450 --> 00:04:15,516 ON THIS. 83 00:04:15,584 --> 00:04:19,020 MY FOLKS ON DISTRICT ONE WHO HAS 84 00:04:19,088 --> 00:04:20,922 THE MOST AT STAKE. 85 00:04:20,990 --> 00:04:22,791 CHUCK IS RIGHT THERE. 86 00:04:22,892 --> 00:04:28,496 IS PRECEDENT FOR REDEMPTION 87 00:04:28,597 --> 00:04:29,631 STORIES. 88 00:04:29,698 --> 00:04:31,566 JOHNSON WHO HAS HAD A GOOD 89 00:04:31,634 --> 00:04:32,567 CAREER SINCE THEN. 90 00:04:32,668 --> 00:04:34,035 >> WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN KICKED OUT 91 00:04:34,103 --> 00:04:37,072 OF TWO PLACES RECENTLY FOR NOT 92 00:04:37,140 --> 00:04:39,007 BEING ABLE TO A MAKE YOUR 93 00:04:39,075 --> 00:04:41,676 PAYMENTS AND LOSE YOUR CAR. 94 00:04:41,744 --> 00:04:43,478 >> I WONDER IF THE VOTERS HAD 95 00:04:43,545 --> 00:04:45,147 KNOWN ABOUT THE MOST RECENT 96 00:04:45,248 --> 00:04:47,048 STUFF PRIOR TO ELECTION. 97 00:04:47,116 --> 00:04:50,184 >> Tim: DIDN'T THEY KNOW THAT. 98 00:04:50,252 --> 00:04:54,388 >> I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH PRIOR 99 00:04:54,455 --> 00:04:56,824 TO ELECTION DAY AND THERE IS 100 00:04:56,892 --> 00:04:58,392 TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF POTENTIAL. 101 00:04:58,459 --> 00:05:00,661 >> IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE 102 00:05:00,728 --> 00:05:03,363 FORGONE CONCLUSION ABOUT THE 103 00:05:03,464 --> 00:05:05,099 ELECTION THE WAY MANY OF THE 104 00:05:05,167 --> 00:05:06,300 DISTRICTS ARE CARVED. 105 00:05:06,401 --> 00:05:08,535 >> Tim: THERE WAS NO WAY HE 106 00:05:08,603 --> 00:05:10,470 COULD LOSE IT? 107 00:05:10,538 --> 00:05:12,807 >> I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE 108 00:05:12,874 --> 00:05:16,343 A QUESTION ABOUT RESIDENCY. 109 00:05:16,411 --> 00:05:20,047 HIS CURRENT LANDLORD HE HAS NOT 110 00:05:20,115 --> 00:05:22,283 PAID RENT FOR NOVEMBER. 111 00:05:22,350 --> 00:05:24,518 NOT RETURNING PHONE CALLS. 112 00:05:24,585 --> 00:05:27,354 THERE WILL BE A POINT HE CAN'T 113 00:05:27,455 --> 00:05:28,588 RUN IN THAT DISTRICT. 114 00:05:28,656 --> 00:05:30,557 >> IT'S A PUBLIC TRUST ISSUE. 115 00:05:30,658 --> 00:05:34,094 IT'S GOT TO BE MORE GERMANE AS A 116 00:05:34,196 --> 00:05:37,832 FITNESS FOR OFFICE, HAS A HARD 117 00:05:37,899 --> 00:05:39,366 TIME BALANCING MY CHECKPOINT. 118 00:05:39,467 --> 00:05:43,337 >> WHAT TYPE OF RESIDENT DO YOU 119 00:05:43,404 --> 00:05:43,804 WANT. 120 00:05:43,905 --> 00:05:45,439 IS THIS A SHINING EXAMPLE OF 121 00:05:45,540 --> 00:05:47,641 GOOD REPRESENTATION AND THE BEST 122 00:05:47,709 --> 00:05:53,147 YOU CAN HAVE, NOT JUST IN TERMS 123 00:05:53,215 --> 00:05:54,815 OF EVERYTHING BUT CHARACTER. 124 00:05:54,883 --> 00:05:57,384 >> Tim: YOU PICK UP THE 125 00:05:57,452 --> 00:06:00,554 REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE ARE 126 00:06:00,621 --> 00:06:04,357 PERTURBED AND THEY WENT AFTER 127 00:06:04,424 --> 00:06:05,191 THE SPEAKER. 128 00:06:05,259 --> 00:06:06,826 IS THIS A PAY BACK. 129 00:06:06,894 --> 00:06:10,163 I'M NOT SAYING IT IS RIGHT OR 130 00:06:10,264 --> 00:06:10,830 WRONG? 131 00:06:10,898 --> 00:06:12,265 >> I PICKED UP ON THE CHATTER 132 00:06:12,333 --> 00:06:14,467 BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS 133 00:06:14,534 --> 00:06:15,735 SPECIFICALLY A VEHICLE. 134 00:06:15,802 --> 00:06:23,343 WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT A 55 135 00:06:23,410 --> 00:06:25,111 SPLIT, BUT I THINK THERE ARE 136 00:06:25,179 --> 00:06:28,414 OTHER THINGS. 137 00:06:28,482 --> 00:06:30,216 >> Tim: ANOTHER WAY AROUND THE 138 00:06:30,317 --> 00:06:31,084 CONSTITUTION. 139 00:06:31,151 --> 00:06:32,451 THIS ISN'T A BREACH OF THE 140 00:06:32,519 --> 00:06:34,220 PUBLIC TRUST. 141 00:06:34,288 --> 00:06:37,056 YOU SEE THEM AND PROCEED TO 142 00:06:37,124 --> 00:06:38,992 EXPEL THEM AND THEN YOU DON'T 143 00:06:39,059 --> 00:06:41,327 HAVE THE WAY TO GO IN WHICH IS 144 00:06:41,395 --> 00:06:43,196 THE WORST WAY TO START A NEW 145 00:06:43,264 --> 00:06:43,963 YEAR. 146 00:06:44,031 --> 00:06:46,465 GOVERNOR SNYDER, WILL THESE GUYS 147 00:06:46,533 --> 00:06:49,168 EVER LET ME DO WHAT I WANT TO 148 00:06:49,236 --> 00:06:49,735 DO? 149 00:06:49,803 --> 00:06:51,971 >> AND HE MAY HAVE DIFFICULTY 150 00:06:52,072 --> 00:06:55,474 FROM HIS OWN CAUCUS WHICH HE MAY 151 00:06:55,542 --> 00:06:57,510 NOT WANT AND RIGHT TO WORK MAY 152 00:06:57,577 --> 00:06:59,345 BE HIS WORST NIGHTMARE. 153 00:06:59,413 --> 00:07:02,415 >> THE VENGEFUL IDEA HERE SOME 154 00:07:02,549 --> 00:07:04,217 THAT WE'RE READY TO CALL THE 155 00:07:04,285 --> 00:07:08,354 RIGHT TO WORK BILL THE BOB KING, 156 00:07:08,422 --> 00:07:10,523 WE HAD A DOG THAT WAS ASLEEP AND 157 00:07:10,624 --> 00:07:12,892 YOU WENT AND KICKED IT. 158 00:07:12,959 --> 00:07:15,593 I'M NOT SURE I WOULD BUY IF 159 00:07:15,661 --> 00:07:17,495 THERE WAS A RIGHT TO WORK THAT 160 00:07:17,596 --> 00:07:24,636 WAS STARTING TO BREW ANYWAY. 161 00:07:24,703 --> 00:07:28,907 >> Tim: VERY GOOD GUYS. 162 00:07:28,975 --> 00:07:30,042 [ LAUGHTER ] 163 00:07:30,143 --> 00:07:34,346 >> I GUESS I MISSED THAT, OKAY? 164 00:07:34,414 --> 00:07:37,149 >> I'VE BEEN GOING TO PUSH IT. 165 00:07:37,216 --> 00:07:38,984 WILL THEY DO THIS IN LAME DUCK? 166 00:07:39,052 --> 00:07:41,987 >> I THINK LAME DUCK, LOOKING AT 167 00:07:42,055 --> 00:07:43,555 THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE 168 00:07:43,622 --> 00:07:45,557 HAPPENED IN OTHER STATES, YOU 169 00:07:45,624 --> 00:07:47,759 WANT IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. 170 00:07:47,860 --> 00:07:51,896 YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE SLEEPING 171 00:07:51,965 --> 00:07:57,035 OR GIVE THAT MUCH TIME TO 172 00:07:57,103 --> 00:07:58,337 ORGANIZE. 173 00:07:58,438 --> 00:08:01,239 >> THEY ARE SENDING PRESS 174 00:08:01,307 --> 00:08:03,575 RELEASES AND E-MAILS THIS IS 175 00:08:03,642 --> 00:08:04,776 PERFECT TIME TO DO THAT. 176 00:08:04,877 --> 00:08:07,912 THEY HAVE ALL THE POWER. 177 00:08:07,981 --> 00:08:09,814 IF YOU CAN'T DO IT NOW WHEN CAN 178 00:08:09,882 --> 00:08:11,216 YOU DO IT? 179 00:08:11,284 --> 00:08:14,519 >> THE QUESTION COMES WHAT IS 180 00:08:14,587 --> 00:08:16,421 THE GOVERNOR GOING TO DO WITH 181 00:08:16,489 --> 00:08:17,055 THIS. 182 00:08:17,123 --> 00:08:22,627 >> I THINK HE WILL BE ASKED BY 183 00:08:22,695 --> 00:08:26,364 G.O.P. TO PROVE HIS 184 00:08:26,431 --> 00:08:27,465 REPUBLICAN-NESS. 185 00:08:27,532 --> 00:08:30,534 THIS ISN'T A FIGHT HE WANTED 186 00:08:30,602 --> 00:08:32,470 PROBABLY FOR GOOD REASON BUT 187 00:08:32,537 --> 00:08:33,804 PROBABLY UNVOIDABLE. 188 00:08:33,872 --> 00:08:35,672 >>> WE HAVE CROSS-EXAMINED IT 189 00:08:35,740 --> 00:08:37,408 AND HE STAYS ON MESSAGE. 190 00:08:37,509 --> 00:08:41,945 HE SAYS THIS IS NOT ON MY AGENDA 191 00:08:42,014 --> 00:08:42,880 BUT YOU CAN READ THAT TO BE 192 00:08:42,947 --> 00:08:47,485 ANYTHING. 193 00:08:47,585 --> 00:08:48,819 [ LAUGHTER ] 194 00:08:48,887 --> 00:08:51,022 >> HERE IS A MAN THAT ALWAYS 195 00:08:51,089 --> 00:08:52,623 SAYS THAT HE IS NOT WORRIED 196 00:08:52,690 --> 00:08:53,891 ABOUT REELECTION. 197 00:08:53,992 --> 00:08:57,094 THAT IS NOT A CONCERN OF HIS, 198 00:08:57,162 --> 00:08:58,962 BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE FIT IN THAT 199 00:08:59,064 --> 00:09:00,731 JOB AND DON'T WORRY ABOUT 200 00:09:00,798 --> 00:09:02,066 GETTING ON SECOND TERM BECAUSE 201 00:09:02,134 --> 00:09:03,501 IT'S HARD TO DO EVERYTHING YOU 202 00:09:03,568 --> 00:09:06,937 WANT TO DO IN FOUR YEARS TIME. 203 00:09:07,039 --> 00:09:11,808 IF HE DOES -- IT'S A CAMPAIGN 204 00:09:11,876 --> 00:09:14,412 ISSUE THAT WANT TO USE IT 205 00:09:14,479 --> 00:09:15,112 AGAINST HIM. 206 00:09:15,180 --> 00:09:16,813 >> Tim: WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO 207 00:09:16,915 --> 00:09:18,449 THE DISCUSSIONS HE HAD WITH 208 00:09:18,517 --> 00:09:20,184 ORGANIZED LABOR THAT FAILED TO 209 00:09:20,252 --> 00:09:21,419 KEEP IT OFF THE BALLOT. 210 00:09:21,486 --> 00:09:24,522 THEY SAID, GOVERNOR, JUST SAY 211 00:09:24,589 --> 00:09:27,958 YOU WILL VETO THIS. 212 00:09:28,026 --> 00:09:30,294 WE KNOW WE HE COULDN'T DO IT IT 213 00:09:30,362 --> 00:09:32,963 WOULD BE SUICIDE FOR HIM, RIGHT? 214 00:09:33,031 --> 00:09:34,165 >> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT 215 00:09:34,232 --> 00:09:36,100 REELECTION I THINK IT WOULD OPEN 216 00:09:36,168 --> 00:09:40,937 HIM UP TO A PRIMARY, A RIGHT TO 217 00:09:41,004 --> 00:09:43,506 WORK REPUBLICAN, LOOK THE 218 00:09:43,574 --> 00:09:45,141 GOVERNOR, WOULDN'T SUPPORT THIS. 219 00:09:45,209 --> 00:09:46,809 >> Tim: WOULD IT MAKE ANY 220 00:09:46,910 --> 00:09:48,611 DIFFERENCE IF WE PASSED RIGHT TO 221 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:49,179 WORK. 222 00:09:49,246 --> 00:09:51,314 THE JURY IS SPLIT ON THIS, DOES 223 00:09:51,382 --> 00:09:52,782 IT NOT? 224 00:09:52,883 --> 00:09:54,884 IT DOESN'T CREATE JOBS? 225 00:09:54,952 --> 00:09:56,453 >> THE TRACK RECORD, I DON'T 226 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,455 THINK THERE IS ENOUGH SOLID 227 00:09:58,522 --> 00:09:59,389 TRACK RECORD THERE. 228 00:09:59,457 --> 00:10:00,790 PEOPLE WANT TO POINT TO THE 229 00:10:00,857 --> 00:10:03,059 STATES THAT RIGHT TO WORK HAS 230 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,160 BEEN PART OF IT. 231 00:10:04,228 --> 00:10:06,096 YOU LOOK AT THE SOUTHERN STATES 232 00:10:06,163 --> 00:10:08,131 AND SOME OF THE OTHER ILLS AND 233 00:10:08,199 --> 00:10:09,499 POVERTY RATES AND EDUCATION 234 00:10:09,567 --> 00:10:13,703 SYSTEM, IT'S HARD TO ADD UP THAT 235 00:10:13,770 --> 00:10:15,138 IT MEANS SUCCESS. 236 00:10:15,206 --> 00:10:18,541 THE SYMBOLISM IS WHERE IT WOULD 237 00:10:18,642 --> 00:10:20,776 MEAN A LOT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE ON 238 00:10:20,844 --> 00:10:21,711 BOTH SIDES. 239 00:10:21,778 --> 00:10:23,446 >> IT WOULD BE A POPULAR ISSUE 240 00:10:23,514 --> 00:10:27,950 FROM STATE TO STATE, INDIANA AND 241 00:10:28,018 --> 00:10:29,152 WISCONSIN. 242 00:10:29,220 --> 00:10:31,087 IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ONE OF THOSE 243 00:10:31,155 --> 00:10:33,256 THINGS THAT IS ACCEPTABLE LIKE 244 00:10:33,357 --> 00:10:34,790 TENNESSEE WHERE I USED TO LIVE 245 00:10:34,858 --> 00:10:36,659 BUT NOW IT'S MOVING ITS WAY 246 00:10:36,727 --> 00:10:37,393 NORTH. 247 00:10:37,461 --> 00:10:39,462 >> IT'S DOING IT IN TEXAS BUT 248 00:10:39,563 --> 00:10:40,696 THEY ARE GOING TO LEAVE THE 249 00:10:40,764 --> 00:10:46,603 COUNTRY SO IT'S IRRELEVANT. 250 00:10:46,670 --> 00:10:48,138 [ LAUGHTER ] 251 00:10:48,205 --> 00:10:49,771 >> LEAVING THE REST OF THE 252 00:10:49,839 --> 00:10:51,273 UNITED STATES, EXACTLY. 253 00:10:51,341 --> 00:10:54,243 >> AND ALL THE DO-GOODERS, WHAT 254 00:10:54,310 --> 00:10:55,611 IS WRONG WITH THE PROCESS? 255 00:10:55,678 --> 00:11:00,749 >> THE ONE THING PEOPLE POINT 256 00:11:00,816 --> 00:11:02,251 TO -- YOU ARE PAYING PEOPLE TO 257 00:11:02,318 --> 00:11:05,053 HAVE A POSITION PUTS ON PEOPLE 258 00:11:05,121 --> 00:11:06,288 WHO DON'T NECESSARILY. 259 00:11:06,356 --> 00:11:09,291 IT'S NOT THE GRASSROOTS MASSES 260 00:11:09,359 --> 00:11:11,826 OF PEOPLE THAT THE CONSTITUTION 261 00:11:11,894 --> 00:11:13,462 ENVISIONED BY TAKING THIS ON. 262 00:11:13,530 --> 00:11:18,200 IT'S PEOPLE THAT GET A DOLLAR A 263 00:11:18,268 --> 00:11:18,967 SIGNATURE. 264 00:11:19,035 --> 00:11:24,039 >> ON THE ONE HAND, THERE IS 265 00:11:24,106 --> 00:11:27,042 SOMETHING ICKY ABOUT THAT BUT 266 00:11:27,109 --> 00:11:28,877 DIDN'T IT WORK? 267 00:11:28,978 --> 00:11:30,646 DIDN'T THE PROCESS PLAY OUT. 268 00:11:30,713 --> 00:11:33,114 PEOPLE SEEM TO BE NOT REALLY OF 269 00:11:33,183 --> 00:11:36,285 THE MIND OF THE CONSTITUTION ALL 270 00:11:36,352 --> 00:11:37,486 THAT MUCH. 271 00:11:37,554 --> 00:11:40,121 DESPITE $150 MILLION SPENT ON 272 00:11:40,190 --> 00:11:41,557 SPECIAL INTEREST ADVERTISING, 273 00:11:41,624 --> 00:11:43,858 THEY SAID NO TO EVERYTHING. 274 00:11:43,926 --> 00:11:47,162 >> THE RESULTS ALONE STOP US 275 00:11:47,230 --> 00:11:49,030 FROM BECOMING LIKE CALIFORNIA OR 276 00:11:49,098 --> 00:11:50,699 OTHER TYPE OF REFERENDUM STATES. 277 00:11:50,766 --> 00:11:54,570 THE MESSAGE MAY BE CLEAR, WE 278 00:11:54,671 --> 00:11:56,471 AREN'T BUYING THAT AND DON'T PUT 279 00:11:56,539 --> 00:12:00,041 THIS REFERENDUM STUFF. 280 00:12:00,109 --> 00:12:02,210 PART OF THE REASON WE'RE 281 00:12:02,277 --> 00:12:03,711 STARTING TO SEE THESE 282 00:12:03,778 --> 00:12:04,778 REFERENDUMS IS BECAUSE OF THE 283 00:12:04,846 --> 00:12:06,847 FACT THAT REPUBLICANS CONTROL 284 00:12:06,915 --> 00:12:08,749 EVERYTHING IN THEIR STATE AND 285 00:12:08,817 --> 00:12:10,951 DEMOCRATS AND LEGISLATURE FEEL 286 00:12:11,019 --> 00:12:13,153 WE CAN'T GET ANYTHING THROUGH 287 00:12:13,222 --> 00:12:14,188 THE NORMAL SYSTEM. 288 00:12:14,256 --> 00:12:16,457 LET'S GO AROUND THE SYSTEM. 289 00:12:16,558 --> 00:12:20,294 >> LABOR WOULD BE EXHIBIT "A" 290 00:12:20,362 --> 00:12:23,664 AND ANTI-TAX PEOPLE ON PROP 5, 291 00:12:23,732 --> 00:12:26,367 SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH THAT 292 00:12:26,435 --> 00:12:27,801 THROUGH. 293 00:12:27,902 --> 00:12:28,769 THAT IS THE ARGUMENT. 294 00:12:29,003 --> 00:12:30,271 AT THE END OF THE DAY PEOPLE 295 00:12:30,339 --> 00:12:33,341 VOTING INTELLIGENTLY ON THESE 296 00:12:33,442 --> 00:12:35,042 BALLOT PROPOSALS REGARDLESS OF 297 00:12:35,110 --> 00:12:36,277 HOW THEY GOT THERE. 298 00:12:36,345 --> 00:12:40,381 >> IT SPEAKS WELL. 299 00:12:40,449 --> 00:12:42,650 PROPOSAL 6 I DON'T THINK ANYBODY 300 00:12:42,718 --> 00:12:46,520 THINK THINKS THE BRIDGE ADS WERE 301 00:12:46,588 --> 00:12:48,989 ABOVE BOARD AND PEOPLE WERE ABLE 302 00:12:49,057 --> 00:12:51,859 TO SEE THE OTHER SIDE BEING 303 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,561 WILDLY OUTSPENT. 304 00:12:53,662 --> 00:12:56,264 I'M NOT TRYING TO WEIGH IN WHAT 305 00:12:56,331 --> 00:12:58,566 IS RIGHT OR WRONG, BUT THE ADS 306 00:12:58,634 --> 00:12:59,433 WERE DIFFICULT. 307 00:12:59,501 --> 00:13:01,736 EVERY TRUTH TELLING SERUM THAT 308 00:13:01,803 --> 00:13:03,971 WAS APPLIED TO THE ADS THISWERE 309 00:13:04,072 --> 00:13:04,505 DISHONEST. 310 00:13:04,573 --> 00:13:06,874 >> WE HAVE LEGISLATION COMING 311 00:13:06,941 --> 00:13:08,476 FROM REPRESENTATIVE HORN TO 312 00:13:08,577 --> 00:13:11,479 CHANGE PART OF THE SYSTEM. 313 00:13:11,546 --> 00:13:13,013 >> YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE 314 00:13:13,081 --> 00:13:14,046 CHANGES WOULD ENTAIL. 315 00:13:14,114 --> 00:13:15,548 >> Tim: IN CONGRESSIONAL 316 00:13:15,616 --> 00:13:17,250 DISTRICTS, INSTEAD ALL THE NAMES 317 00:13:17,318 --> 00:13:20,654 DOWN IN DETROIT YOU NEED NAMES 318 00:13:20,721 --> 00:13:21,621 IN EACH DISTRICT. 319 00:13:21,689 --> 00:13:23,590 IT'S MORE BROADER THING. 320 00:13:23,658 --> 00:13:25,858 YOU PAY THE CIRCULATERS BUT THE 321 00:13:25,926 --> 00:13:27,761 COURTS SAY IT'S FREE SPEECH, YOU 322 00:13:27,828 --> 00:13:29,862 ARE NOT PAYING FOR THE NAMES BUT 323 00:13:29,930 --> 00:13:32,031 THE PERSON TO CIRCULATE. 324 00:13:32,099 --> 00:13:36,169 >> I THINK IT'S STICKY THING. 325 00:13:36,270 --> 00:13:39,372 >> THESE DISTRICTS HAVE BEEN SO 326 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,107 SURGICALLY CARVED. 327 00:13:41,175 --> 00:13:45,278 YOU MAY BE CREATING A DIFFICULT 328 00:13:45,379 --> 00:13:46,379 LITMUS TEST. 329 00:13:46,447 --> 00:13:48,415 REPRESENTATIVE, PLEASE.... 330 00:13:48,549 --> 00:13:49,783 >> WITH JUST EIGHT MONTHS UNDER 331 00:13:49,883 --> 00:13:51,785 HIS BELT AS REPRESENTATIVE FROM 332 00:13:51,852 --> 00:13:54,688 PONTIAC AND AUBURN HILLS, TIM 333 00:13:54,755 --> 00:13:56,423 GREIMEL WAS JUST ELECTED HOUSE 334 00:13:56,490 --> 00:13:57,256 DEMOCRATIC LEADER. 335 00:13:57,325 --> 00:13:59,058 HE IS A LABOR AND CIVE RIGHTS 336 00:13:59,126 --> 00:14:00,427 ATTORNEY SERVED FOR SEVEN YEARS 337 00:14:00,494 --> 00:14:03,530 ON HIS LOCAL SCHOOL BOARD 338 00:14:03,597 --> 00:14:04,931 INCLUDING A TERM AS PRESIDENT. 339 00:14:04,998 --> 00:14:06,866 HE WAS ELECTED TO THE OAKLAND 340 00:14:06,934 --> 00:14:08,201 COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS IN 341 00:14:08,302 --> 00:14:10,603 2007. 342 00:14:10,705 --> 00:14:12,739 HE EARNED HIS DEGREES FROM THE 343 00:14:12,807 --> 00:14:16,309 UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN. 344 00:14:16,377 --> 00:14:17,444 >> REPRESENTATIVE, 345 00:14:17,511 --> 00:14:18,611 CONGRATULATIONS ON THE ELECTION? 346 00:14:18,713 --> 00:14:19,612 >> THANK YOU, TIM. 347 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,013 IT'S GREAT TO BE ON THE SHOW. 348 00:14:21,081 --> 00:14:22,716 >> Tim: THIS IS YOUR DEBUT. 349 00:14:22,783 --> 00:14:24,050 >> THAT IS RIGHT. 350 00:14:24,117 --> 00:14:26,452 THIS MY FIRST TIME ON "OFF THE 351 00:14:26,519 --> 00:14:28,119 RECORD" AND I'M EXCITED TO BE 352 00:14:28,187 --> 00:14:28,887 HERE. 353 00:14:28,955 --> 00:14:31,357 >> YOU MADE IT THROUGH THE 354 00:14:31,424 --> 00:14:32,958 CAUCUS BUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING 355 00:14:33,025 --> 00:14:35,093 THROUGH THE TRANSITION PERIOD? 356 00:14:35,194 --> 00:14:38,330 >> THERE IS LOTS OF WORK TO DO 357 00:14:38,431 --> 00:14:39,097 OBVIOUSLY. 358 00:14:39,165 --> 00:14:40,031 THERE ARE TWO THINGS WE ARE 359 00:14:40,099 --> 00:14:41,800 WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY. 360 00:14:41,868 --> 00:14:43,602 ONE IS PREPARING FOR LAME DUCK 361 00:14:43,670 --> 00:14:45,036 AND ANY LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS 362 00:14:45,104 --> 00:14:47,339 THAT THE REPUBLICANS WILL PUSH 363 00:14:47,407 --> 00:14:48,974 FOR LAME DUCK AND THE OTHER IS 364 00:14:49,041 --> 00:14:50,642 NEXT TERM. 365 00:14:50,710 --> 00:14:52,143 IT STARTS IN JANUARY AND THERE 366 00:14:52,211 --> 00:14:54,546 IS COMMITTEE TO MAKE DECISIONS 367 00:14:54,614 --> 00:14:55,247 ABOUT. 368 00:14:55,314 --> 00:14:58,250 THERE ARE NUMBER OF OTHER 369 00:14:58,317 --> 00:15:01,353 ADMINISTRATIVE DECISIONS. 370 00:15:01,421 --> 00:15:04,390 >> WHAT TERM LIMITS HAVE DONE TO 371 00:15:04,457 --> 00:15:05,491 INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE. 372 00:15:05,592 --> 00:15:07,526 YOU WERE JUST ELECTED SEVEN 373 00:15:07,594 --> 00:15:09,395 MONTHS AGO AND HERE YOU ARE A 374 00:15:09,496 --> 00:15:10,562 DEMOCRATIC LEADER. 375 00:15:10,630 --> 00:15:14,767 DO YOU FIND IT "A" SURPRISING 376 00:15:14,934 --> 00:15:17,403 BUT ALSO "B" DAUNTING. 377 00:15:17,470 --> 00:15:19,237 MY HUNCH YOU BARELY LEARNED 378 00:15:19,305 --> 00:15:21,973 WHERE THE BATHROOMS ARE IN THE 379 00:15:22,074 --> 00:15:22,674 CAPITAL? 380 00:15:22,742 --> 00:15:23,876 >> I WOULDN'T GO THAT FAR. 381 00:15:23,943 --> 00:15:25,611 IT'S CERTAINLY TRUE THIS HAS 382 00:15:25,678 --> 00:15:28,814 BEEN A QUICK LEARNING PERIOD FOR 383 00:15:28,882 --> 00:15:29,681 DEMOCRATIC LEADER. 384 00:15:29,749 --> 00:15:32,418 I'M HONORED BY THE TRUST OF MY 385 00:15:32,519 --> 00:15:34,185 COLLEAGUES HAVE PUT IN ME TO 386 00:15:34,253 --> 00:15:35,587 LEAD THE CAUCUS US. 387 00:15:35,655 --> 00:15:37,455 IT'S A TEAM EFFORT. 388 00:15:37,523 --> 00:15:38,956 WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH THIS AS 389 00:15:39,024 --> 00:15:40,892 A TEAM AS A DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS. 390 00:15:41,026 --> 00:15:42,827 I HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC VISION 391 00:15:42,895 --> 00:15:47,632 FOR WHAT THE CAUCUS CAN DO AND 392 00:15:47,733 --> 00:15:50,435 YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE TERM 393 00:15:50,502 --> 00:15:52,570 LIMITS AND LACK OF KNOWLEDGE 394 00:15:52,671 --> 00:15:53,538 THAT COMES WITH THAT. 395 00:15:53,605 --> 00:15:55,473 THAT IS ONE OF NICE THINGS ABOUT 396 00:15:55,541 --> 00:15:57,775 ME STEPPING INTO THE DEMOCRATIC 397 00:15:57,843 --> 00:15:58,543 LEADER ROLE. 398 00:15:58,644 --> 00:16:01,946 I CAN PORNLLY SERVE IN THAT 399 00:16:02,013 --> 00:16:03,448 CAPACITY FOR SIX YEARS. 400 00:16:03,515 --> 00:16:07,051 IF I RUN FOR ANOTHER OFFICE 401 00:16:07,118 --> 00:16:09,086 MAYBE I WONDER SERVE AS THIRD 402 00:16:09,154 --> 00:16:11,956 TERM BUT I CAN MENTOR THE THEN 403 00:16:12,023 --> 00:16:12,824 DEMOCRATIC LEADER. 404 00:16:12,891 --> 00:16:14,625 EITHER WAY IT PROVIDES 405 00:16:14,693 --> 00:16:18,228 LEADERSHIP OF THE DEMOCRATIC 406 00:16:18,330 --> 00:16:18,896 PARTY. 407 00:16:18,997 --> 00:16:21,131 WE HAVE VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS 408 00:16:21,199 --> 00:16:22,667 THEY MIGHT TRY TO PUSH RIGHT TO 409 00:16:22,734 --> 00:16:23,233 WORK. 410 00:16:23,301 --> 00:16:24,268 IT'S BAD FOR MICHIGAN. 411 00:16:24,369 --> 00:16:26,203 IT'S BAD FOR MIDDLE-CLASS AND 412 00:16:26,271 --> 00:16:26,904 WORKING FAMILIES. 413 00:16:26,972 --> 00:16:28,739 IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATES THAT 414 00:16:28,807 --> 00:16:30,842 HAVE RIGHT TO WORK LAWS THEY 415 00:16:30,909 --> 00:16:33,544 HAVE MUCH LOWER PAY FOR WORKERS 416 00:16:33,612 --> 00:16:35,646 THAN MICHIGAN DOES AND HAVE 417 00:16:35,747 --> 00:16:36,848 HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT RATES. 418 00:16:36,915 --> 00:16:39,049 IT'S A VERY SERIOUS CONCERN OF 419 00:16:39,117 --> 00:16:39,584 OURS. 420 00:16:39,651 --> 00:16:41,619 I MADE IT CLEAR TO SPEAKER 421 00:16:41,687 --> 00:16:44,121 BOLGER IF THE REPUBLICANS PUSH 422 00:16:44,222 --> 00:16:46,256 RIGHT TO WORK THAT THEY CAN 423 00:16:46,324 --> 00:16:48,292 EXPECT US NOT TO PROVIDE ANY 424 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:49,993 COOPERATION ON A NUMBER OF OTHER 425 00:16:50,060 --> 00:16:51,528 BILLS THAT SHOULD BE VERY 426 00:16:51,596 --> 00:16:52,462 BIPARTISAN IN NATURE. 427 00:16:52,530 --> 00:16:54,163 IF THEY PUSH RIGHT TO WORK, THAT 428 00:16:54,231 --> 00:16:56,265 IS DIVISIVE ISSUE AND IT'S GOING 429 00:16:56,367 --> 00:16:58,167 SOUR AND POISON THE ATMOSPHERE 430 00:16:58,235 --> 00:16:59,168 IN LANSING. 431 00:16:59,269 --> 00:17:03,507 >> IS THAT AN ULTIMATUM? 432 00:17:03,574 --> 00:17:05,308 >> I WOULDN'T DESCRIBE IT AS 433 00:17:05,376 --> 00:17:06,042 THAT. 434 00:17:06,110 --> 00:17:09,746 PUSHING RIGHT TO, WORK IS SUCH A 435 00:17:09,814 --> 00:17:14,217 DISASTROUS POLICY FOR MICHIGAN. 436 00:17:14,284 --> 00:17:15,485 >> SOMETHING IN THE OTHER 437 00:17:15,553 --> 00:17:15,952 DIRECTION? 438 00:17:16,020 --> 00:17:16,920 >> I DON'T THINK SO. 439 00:17:16,988 --> 00:17:18,454 I KNOW THAT IS HOW THE 440 00:17:18,523 --> 00:17:19,990 REPUBLICANS WOULD LIKE TO 441 00:17:20,090 --> 00:17:21,224 DESCRIBE PROPOSAL 2, BUT THE 442 00:17:21,291 --> 00:17:23,059 FACT OF THE MATTER IS PROPOSAL 2 443 00:17:23,127 --> 00:17:25,261 WAS NOT ABOUT RIGHT TO WORK. 444 00:17:25,329 --> 00:17:26,863 PROPOSAL 2 WOULD HAVE DONE A LOT 445 00:17:26,931 --> 00:17:33,837 MORE THAN JUST PREVENT US.... 446 00:17:33,905 --> 00:17:37,306 >> BUT IT WAS ATTACKED 447 00:17:37,374 --> 00:17:38,074 REPUBLICANS? 448 00:17:38,142 --> 00:17:39,876 >> THERE WAS LOST DISCUSSION 449 00:17:39,944 --> 00:17:42,879 ABOUT PUSHING RIGHT TO WORK. 450 00:17:42,980 --> 00:17:44,280 >> IT WAS TIPPING POINT? 451 00:17:44,381 --> 00:17:46,616 >> I WOULDN'T KNOW IF I WOULD 452 00:17:46,684 --> 00:17:47,283 SAY THAT. 453 00:17:47,351 --> 00:17:48,618 I THINK THE REPUBLICANS WOULD 454 00:17:48,686 --> 00:17:50,787 LIKE TO USE THIS AS AN EXCUSE 455 00:17:50,888 --> 00:17:51,788 FOR RIGHT TO WORK. 456 00:17:51,856 --> 00:17:54,691 I DON'T THINK THIS IS RULE CAUSE 457 00:17:54,759 --> 00:17:56,359 OF THEIR WANTED RIGHT TO WORK. 458 00:17:56,460 --> 00:17:59,829 I JUST WANT TO SAY THERE IS A 459 00:17:59,931 --> 00:18:02,330 LOT OF REASONS WHY PROPOSAL 2 460 00:18:02,398 --> 00:18:03,365 FAILED. 461 00:18:03,433 --> 00:18:06,201 PART OF IT PEOPLE NOT WANTED 462 00:18:06,269 --> 00:18:07,736 RIGHT TO WORK BUT RATHER THEY 463 00:18:07,804 --> 00:18:10,338 HAD CONCERNS A NUMBER OF THESE 464 00:18:10,406 --> 00:18:11,974 POLICIES IN THE CONSTITUTION. 465 00:18:12,042 --> 00:18:14,242 OF COURSE, THERE WERE VERY 466 00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:16,879 MISLEADING ADS ON OTHER SIDE 467 00:18:16,947 --> 00:18:18,280 PASSING PROPOSAL 2 WOULD OPEN 468 00:18:18,381 --> 00:18:22,117 THE DOOR TO CHILD MOLESTERS AND 469 00:18:22,185 --> 00:18:23,052 DRUNK TEACHERS. 470 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:24,920 IT WAS A BUNCH OF NONSENSE. 471 00:18:25,055 --> 00:18:27,856 >> DO YOU THINK THE REPUBLICAN 472 00:18:27,924 --> 00:18:29,725 CAUCUS FOLLOWS THE GOVERNOR'S 473 00:18:29,793 --> 00:18:31,326 LEAD ENOUGH AND HAS THE GOVERNOR 474 00:18:31,394 --> 00:18:34,063 BEEN FORCEFUL ENOUGH WHAT HE 475 00:18:34,163 --> 00:18:35,363 DOES OR DOES NOT WANT? 476 00:18:35,431 --> 00:18:38,067 >> IT'S NOT SECRET THAT THE 477 00:18:38,167 --> 00:18:39,668 GOVERNOR AND LEGISLATURE HAVE 478 00:18:39,836 --> 00:18:41,971 NOT BEEN ON THE SAME PAGE ON A 479 00:18:42,038 --> 00:18:43,872 NUMBER OF ISSUES. 480 00:18:43,940 --> 00:18:46,075 >> WHAT DOES THAT SUGGEST TO YOU 481 00:18:46,142 --> 00:18:47,042 ABOUT THE GOVERNOR AND 482 00:18:47,143 --> 00:18:47,776 LEGISLATURE? 483 00:18:47,844 --> 00:18:50,312 >> I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT 484 00:18:50,413 --> 00:18:51,046 PRIORITIES. 485 00:18:51,114 --> 00:18:54,650 A NUMBER OF REPUBLICAN 486 00:18:54,718 --> 00:18:55,751 LEGISLATORS ARE LITTLE MORE 487 00:18:55,819 --> 00:18:57,953 EXTREME IN PUSHING A FAR RIGHT 488 00:18:58,054 --> 00:18:59,554 AGENDA THAN THE GOVERNOR IS. 489 00:18:59,623 --> 00:19:01,023 THE GOVERNOR HAS PROPOSED A 490 00:19:01,124 --> 00:19:02,691 NUMBER OF POLICIES THAT SHOULD 491 00:19:02,759 --> 00:19:03,826 BE BIPARTISAN IN NATURE. 492 00:19:03,994 --> 00:19:05,293 THERE ARE A LOT OF POLICIES THAT 493 00:19:05,495 --> 00:19:06,729 THE GOVERNOR HAS PROPOSED THAT 494 00:19:06,830 --> 00:19:09,064 WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH HIM 495 00:19:09,132 --> 00:19:12,835 AND WORK TOGETHER ACROSS THE 496 00:19:12,902 --> 00:19:13,602 AISLE. 497 00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:15,670 >> DO YOU SEE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE 498 00:19:15,738 --> 00:19:17,105 WHAT HAPPENED NATIONALLY IN 499 00:19:17,172 --> 00:19:18,506 TERMS OF THE PRESIDENTIAL 500 00:19:18,674 --> 00:19:20,742 ELECTION AND IS REPUBLICAN PARTY 501 00:19:20,843 --> 00:19:22,476 PERHAPS BEING IN DISARRAY IN 502 00:19:22,544 --> 00:19:23,978 WHAT IT WANTS TO DO? 503 00:19:24,046 --> 00:19:26,648 >> I THINK WE HAVE SEEN SOME 504 00:19:26,715 --> 00:19:29,984 PUSHBACK ON MOST EXTREME 505 00:19:30,052 --> 00:19:31,485 ELEMENTS IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY 506 00:19:31,553 --> 00:19:32,286 IN THE TEA PARTY. 507 00:19:32,354 --> 00:19:34,756 IF YOU LOOK AT SENATE ARRESTS IN 508 00:19:34,823 --> 00:19:37,825 INDIANA AND OUTLANDISH COMMENTS 509 00:19:37,926 --> 00:19:43,698 THE REPUBLICAN SENATE MADE. 510 00:19:43,766 --> 00:19:46,267 IF YOU LOOK AT REPUBLICANS 511 00:19:46,368 --> 00:19:48,469 ALIENATED SIGNIFICANT PORTIONS 512 00:19:48,537 --> 00:19:50,504 OF THE AMERICAN POPULATION BY 513 00:19:50,572 --> 00:19:53,941 TAKING EXTREMIST POSITIONS ON 514 00:19:54,009 --> 00:19:55,342 IMMIGRATION I THINK THEY WANTED 515 00:19:55,410 --> 00:19:57,845 FOLKS TO ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES 516 00:19:57,913 --> 00:19:59,547 AND FOCUS ON SOLUTIONS INSTEAD 517 00:19:59,614 --> 00:20:02,116 OF I HAD YOMG AND RHETORIC. 518 00:20:02,184 --> 00:20:03,851 >> WHAT ISSUES WILL YOU PUSH FOR 519 00:20:03,919 --> 00:20:05,286 TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT 520 00:20:05,387 --> 00:20:07,254 DEMOCRATS HAVE A BIGGER VOICE IN 521 00:20:07,355 --> 00:20:08,723 THE LEGISLATURE WHICH THEY HAVE 522 00:20:08,791 --> 00:20:10,692 NOW WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY NOW 523 00:20:10,759 --> 00:20:11,592 MAYBE WOULD SAY? 524 00:20:11,660 --> 00:20:13,928 >> NUMBER ONE, I THINK WE'LL 525 00:20:13,996 --> 00:20:16,864 HAVE A LITTLE MORE INFLUENCE IN 526 00:20:16,932 --> 00:20:18,432 THE LEGISLATURE AS A RESULT OF 527 00:20:18,533 --> 00:20:19,767 PICKING UP SEATS IN THIS 528 00:20:19,835 --> 00:20:20,134 ELECTION. 529 00:20:20,202 --> 00:20:23,004 THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL 530 00:20:23,072 --> 00:20:25,272 OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE A 531 00:20:25,340 --> 00:20:26,940 MEANINGFUL DIFFERENCE ON POLICY. 532 00:20:27,008 --> 00:20:29,209 HOPEFULLY THE RESULTS THEMSELVES 533 00:20:29,276 --> 00:20:32,679 AND REPUBLICANS' MAJORITY IN THE 534 00:20:32,747 --> 00:20:34,214 LEGISLATURE WILL MODERATE THEIR 535 00:20:34,315 --> 00:20:35,082 POLICY AGENDA. 536 00:20:35,249 --> 00:20:36,850 THERE ARE SPECIFIC PROPOSALS 537 00:20:36,918 --> 00:20:38,218 THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS PUT FORTH, 538 00:20:38,285 --> 00:20:40,453 ONE IS THE TRANSIT AUTHORITY FOR 539 00:20:40,521 --> 00:20:41,888 SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN THAT OUR 540 00:20:41,956 --> 00:20:43,824 POLICIES THAT DEMOCRATS BY AND 541 00:20:43,891 --> 00:20:44,557 LARGE SUPPORT. 542 00:20:44,625 --> 00:20:45,759 WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE 543 00:20:45,827 --> 00:20:47,327 GOVERNOR TO ACHIEVE THOSE VERY 544 00:20:47,394 --> 00:20:49,529 ROOL REAL SOLUTIONS TO REAL 545 00:20:49,597 --> 00:20:50,797 ECONOMIC CHALLENGES FACING OUR 546 00:20:50,898 --> 00:20:51,364 STATE. 547 00:20:51,432 --> 00:20:56,569 >> YOU MENTIONED YOU WOULD VOTE 548 00:20:56,637 --> 00:20:57,838 ON IT NOW? 549 00:20:57,905 --> 00:20:59,572 >> IT'S AN ISSUE WE ARE LOOKING 550 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,142 AT SERIOUSLY AT. 551 00:21:02,210 --> 00:21:05,712 WE TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY. 552 00:21:05,813 --> 00:21:07,714 WE BELIEVE ETHICS ARE EXTREMELY 553 00:21:07,782 --> 00:21:09,049 IMPORTANT TO THE STATE HOUSE. 554 00:21:09,150 --> 00:21:11,484 THAT GOES FOR REPRESENTATIVES ON 555 00:21:11,585 --> 00:21:13,419 BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE. 556 00:21:13,487 --> 00:21:15,388 WE BELIEVE REPRESENTATIVES HAVE 557 00:21:15,456 --> 00:21:18,658 TO BE HELD TO A HIGH ETHICAL 558 00:21:18,726 --> 00:21:20,493 STANDARDS AND THEY SHOULD BE 559 00:21:20,561 --> 00:21:22,162 HELD ACCOUNTABLE. 560 00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:23,797 THE STATE HOUSE SHOULDN'T 561 00:21:23,865 --> 00:21:25,398 OVERSTEP IT'S CONSTITUTIONAL 562 00:21:25,466 --> 00:21:26,733 AUTHORITY IN OVERRIDING THE WILL 563 00:21:26,801 --> 00:21:28,168 OF THE PEOPLE OF THE FIRST 564 00:21:28,269 --> 00:21:28,969 DISTRICT. 565 00:21:29,036 --> 00:21:30,503 WE'RE LOOKING VERY CAREFULLY AT 566 00:21:30,571 --> 00:21:31,204 THIS. 567 00:21:31,272 --> 00:21:32,739 WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LIEU. 568 00:21:32,807 --> 00:21:34,241 WE'RE DEVELOPING AN APPROACH TO 569 00:21:34,308 --> 00:21:37,343 MOVE FORWARD AS A CAUCUS AND 570 00:21:37,411 --> 00:21:38,978 SIMILAR CRITERIA WHAT WAS THE 571 00:21:39,045 --> 00:21:40,379 NATURE OF THE FELONIES. 572 00:21:40,446 --> 00:21:42,648 DO THEY INDICATE A BREACH OF THE 573 00:21:42,715 --> 00:21:43,682 PUBLIC TRUST? 574 00:21:43,784 --> 00:21:46,185 WERE THEY COMMITTED WHILE SOON 575 00:21:46,253 --> 00:21:47,753 TO BE REPRESENTATIVE BANKS WAS 576 00:21:47,821 --> 00:21:50,055 IN OFFICE OR OUT OF OFFICE? 577 00:21:50,123 --> 00:21:54,393 TO WHAT EXTENT IS THE STATE HAS 578 00:21:54,460 --> 00:21:56,028 PURVIEW TO OVERRIDE THE PEOPLE 579 00:21:56,096 --> 00:21:57,729 IN THE FIRST DISTRICT? 580 00:21:57,831 --> 00:21:59,431 >> IF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAD 581 00:21:59,499 --> 00:22:01,200 DONE A BETTER JOB OF SCREENING 582 00:22:01,268 --> 00:22:01,967 THEIR CANDIDATES? 583 00:22:02,035 --> 00:22:09,008 >> THIS WAS NOT -- THIS WAS A 584 00:22:09,075 --> 00:22:09,675 PRIMARY ELECTION. 585 00:22:09,742 --> 00:22:10,709 IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT THE 586 00:22:10,777 --> 00:22:15,147 DEMOCRATIC PARTY GOT INVOLVED 587 00:22:15,248 --> 00:22:15,881 IN. 588 00:22:15,949 --> 00:22:20,252 THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY -- 589 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,221 >> THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ELECTING 590 00:22:22,289 --> 00:22:25,191 NEVER GETS INVOLVED IN CONTESTED 591 00:22:25,258 --> 00:22:25,891 PRIMARIES. 592 00:22:25,959 --> 00:22:27,492 THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FEELS VERY 593 00:22:27,593 --> 00:22:29,929 STRONGLY THAT THOSE KINDS OF 594 00:22:29,996 --> 00:22:32,164 DECISIONS SHOULD BE LEFT TO 595 00:22:32,232 --> 00:22:34,300 DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY VOTERS. 596 00:22:34,367 --> 00:22:37,669 >> HAVE YOU MADE UP YOUR MIND 597 00:22:37,838 --> 00:22:38,904 WHETHER THIS GENTLEMAN SHOULD BE 598 00:22:38,972 --> 00:22:39,604 SEATED? 599 00:22:39,672 --> 00:22:44,443 >> I HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH BANKS 600 00:22:44,510 --> 00:22:47,146 AND WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT 601 00:22:47,214 --> 00:22:47,612 OPTIONS. 602 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:48,714 >> Tim: HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE 603 00:22:48,781 --> 00:22:49,748 REPUBLICAN LEADER ABOUT THIS? 604 00:22:49,816 --> 00:22:50,781 >> WE HAVE HAD A BRIEF 605 00:22:50,850 --> 00:22:51,983 CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS AND 606 00:22:52,084 --> 00:22:53,184 NOTHING DEFINITIVE. 607 00:22:53,252 --> 00:22:55,320 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CONTINUING 608 00:22:55,387 --> 00:22:55,954 CONVERSATIONS. 609 00:22:56,021 --> 00:22:57,255 >> Tim: DID HE SAY WE'RE GOING 610 00:22:57,356 --> 00:23:01,492 TO WORK ON THIS OR THEY ARE NOT 611 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:02,961 GOING TO SEAT HIM? 612 00:23:03,028 --> 00:23:05,129 >> HE DID NOT SAY ANYTHING 613 00:23:05,197 --> 00:23:06,464 DEFINITIVE ABOUT WHAT THE 614 00:23:06,531 --> 00:23:07,531 REPUBLICANS MIGHT DO. 615 00:23:07,632 --> 00:23:10,335 HE AND YOU ARE MEMBERS OF BOTH 616 00:23:10,402 --> 00:23:11,870 CAUCUSES ARE LOOKING AT OPTIONS 617 00:23:11,971 --> 00:23:15,039 AND MOVING FORWARD. 618 00:23:15,107 --> 00:23:17,475 >> HOW THE BANKS DECISION COULD 619 00:23:17,542 --> 00:23:20,912 IMPACT AN INDICTMENT OF HIM 620 00:23:21,013 --> 00:23:23,481 GOING TO SPEAKER BOG GEV? 621 00:23:23,548 --> 00:23:27,252 >> IF THE GRAND JURY DECIDE IF 622 00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:29,420 THEY WANT TO CHARGE SPEAKER 623 00:23:29,521 --> 00:23:31,089 BOLGER THAT WILL CHANGE DYNAMICS 624 00:23:31,156 --> 00:23:31,956 IN THE HOUSE. 625 00:23:32,091 --> 00:23:34,225 I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT 626 00:23:34,293 --> 00:23:36,794 YOU BRING THAT UP. 627 00:23:36,862 --> 00:23:39,063 CERTAINLY BRIAN BANKS WAS 628 00:23:39,164 --> 00:23:40,431 CONVICTED OF SOME FELONIES, A 629 00:23:40,499 --> 00:23:41,832 NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. 630 00:23:41,901 --> 00:23:44,735 THERE ARE NO CRIMINAL CHARGES 631 00:23:44,803 --> 00:23:46,271 PENDING AGAINST BYIAN BANKS, 632 00:23:46,338 --> 00:23:47,805 THAT IS IN CONTRAST TO THE 633 00:23:47,873 --> 00:23:52,176 SPEAKER WHO IS UNDER CRIMINAL 634 00:23:52,278 --> 00:23:54,078 INVESTIGATION -- WELL, WE CAN 635 00:23:54,213 --> 00:23:55,479 TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IF YOU 636 00:23:55,547 --> 00:23:56,347 WANT. 637 00:23:56,415 --> 00:23:59,450 IN TERMS OF SPEAKER BOLGER HE IS 638 00:23:59,518 --> 00:24:02,485 NOT CONVICTED OR CHARGED OF ANY 639 00:24:02,586 --> 00:24:03,153 CRIMES. 640 00:24:03,288 --> 00:24:05,622 HE IS SUBJECT TO A CRIMINAL 641 00:24:05,689 --> 00:24:06,957 INVESTIGATION THAT RELATED TO 642 00:24:07,025 --> 00:24:11,128 HIS OFFICIAL CAPACITY IN THE 643 00:24:11,195 --> 00:24:11,728 HOUSE. 644 00:24:11,796 --> 00:24:13,663 >> YOU GUYS ARE GOING AFTER 645 00:24:13,731 --> 00:24:16,934 BOGGER AND MAKE IT A 646 00:24:17,035 --> 00:24:17,867 TIT-FOR-TAT? 647 00:24:17,936 --> 00:24:19,202 >> I'M NOT SAYING THAT. 648 00:24:19,270 --> 00:24:22,439 ALL OF OUR OPTIONS FORWARD. 649 00:24:22,506 --> 00:24:24,107 >> ONE WOULD GET THE IMPRESSION 650 00:24:24,175 --> 00:24:25,708 IF THEY GO AFTER THIS ONE TOO 651 00:24:25,776 --> 00:24:28,745 MUCH, WE'VE GOT BOLGER. 652 00:24:28,813 --> 00:24:32,549 >> I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT 653 00:24:32,616 --> 00:24:34,985 THOSE THAT CRITICIZE BRIAN BANKS 654 00:24:35,086 --> 00:24:36,653 ARE FAIR HANDED AND EVEN HANDED 655 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,723 IN THEIR APPROACH HERE. 656 00:24:40,825 --> 00:24:43,893 JUST AS THE CONSTITUTIONAL 657 00:24:43,962 --> 00:24:45,395 PROVISIONS, I THINK THERE IS AN 658 00:24:45,463 --> 00:24:50,334 ARGUMENT THEY DON'T APPLY TO 659 00:24:50,401 --> 00:24:51,201 BRIAN BANKS. 660 00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:52,469 THERE IS A QUESTION WHETHER THE 661 00:24:52,536 --> 00:24:53,937 ALLEGATIONS AGAINST BRIAN BANKS 662 00:24:54,038 --> 00:24:55,973 HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIS 663 00:24:56,074 --> 00:25:00,377 OFFICIAL CAPACITY OF BREACH OF 664 00:25:00,445 --> 00:25:01,178 PUBLIC TRUST. 665 00:25:01,245 --> 00:25:02,446 I THINK THE ALLEGATIONS PERTAIN 666 00:25:02,546 --> 00:25:03,981 TO HIS OFFICIAL CAPACITY. 667 00:25:04,048 --> 00:25:07,084 >> DOES AN INDICTMENT FOR A 668 00:25:07,151 --> 00:25:09,752 GRAND JURY PROVIDE REASON FOR 669 00:25:09,820 --> 00:25:10,354 EXPULSION? 670 00:25:10,421 --> 00:25:11,955 >> I DON'T THINK UNDER THE 671 00:25:12,023 --> 00:25:13,023 CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS THAT I 672 00:25:13,091 --> 00:25:15,057 AM FAMILIAR WITH THAT AN 673 00:25:15,158 --> 00:25:17,659 INDICTMENT ALONE IS SUFFICIENT 674 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,895 FOR AN EXPULSION. 675 00:25:19,963 --> 00:25:21,230 IT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE IT HAS 676 00:25:21,298 --> 00:25:23,466 TO BE A CONVICTION. 677 00:25:23,533 --> 00:25:24,967 THERE MAY BE OTHER PROVISIONS 678 00:25:25,035 --> 00:25:27,103 OUT THERE THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF. 679 00:25:27,170 --> 00:25:30,539 IT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC IN THE 680 00:25:30,607 --> 00:25:33,042 SPEAKER'S POSITION WHILE BEING 681 00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:36,879 UNDER INDICTMENT BUT HE IS NOT 682 00:25:36,946 --> 00:25:37,613 INDICT YET. 683 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,617 I DON'T WANT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS 684 00:25:41,684 --> 00:25:43,652 THAT ARE HYPOTHETICAL. 685 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,888 >>> IT MIGHT BE IN QUESTION IF 686 00:25:45,955 --> 00:25:47,189 THERE WAS AN INDICTMENT? 687 00:25:47,290 --> 00:25:49,858 >> ULTIMATELY THAT IS SOMETHING 688 00:25:49,926 --> 00:25:51,027 THE MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE IS 689 00:25:51,194 --> 00:25:52,961 GOING TO DECIDE. 690 00:25:53,030 --> 00:25:56,832 >> WITH A NUDGE FROM THE BEES. 691 00:25:56,933 --> 00:26:01,003 THANKS FOR JOINING US. 692 00:26:01,071 --> 00:26:02,838 WE'RE AT OUR WEBSITE AND 693 00:26:02,906 --> 00:26:03,839 FACEBOOK AND TWITTER. 694 00:26:03,907 --> 00:26:06,675 WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK ON "OFF 695 00:26:06,743 --> 00:26:07,343 THE RECORD". 696 00:26:07,411 --> 00:26:09,745 ¶ 697 00:26:09,812 --> 00:26:10,413 ¶ 698 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:20,222 ¶ 699 00:28:16,873 --> 00:28:20,873 Generated by CCExtractor http://ccextractor.sourceforge.net