1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:03,500 ♪ 2 00:00:03,500 --> 00:00:06,333 WELCOME BACK THE OTR GUEST THIS 3 00:00:06,333 --> 00:00:08,000 WEEK IS FORMER REPRESENTATIVE 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,133 DAVE AGAMA PART TO PASS A PART 5 00:00:13,133 --> 00:00:14,833 TIME LEGISLATURE PROBLEMS WITH 6 00:00:14,833 --> 00:00:16,966 PIPELINE FIVE AND 7 GROUPS READY 7 00:00:16,966 --> 00:00:18,766 TO PROTEST ON THE CAPITOL STEPS 8 00:00:18,766 --> 00:00:21,566 ON THE OTR PANEL ZACHARY GORCHOW 9 00:00:21,566 --> 00:00:23,833 ZOE CLARK AND BILL BALLENGER SIT 10 00:00:23,833 --> 00:00:25,700 IN WITH US AS WE GET THE INSIDE 11 00:00:25,700 --> 00:00:28,833 OUT "OFF THE RECORD." 12 00:00:28,833 --> 00:00:30,000 PRODUCTION OF "OFF THE RECORD" 13 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,933 IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY A 14 00:00:31,933 --> 00:00:33,800 GRANT FROM TRUSCOTT-ROSSMAN, 15 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,233 MICHIGAN'S ONLY BIPARTISAN 16 00:00:37,233 --> 00:00:39,400 STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS FIRM 17 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,033 SERVING STATE INTERNATIONAL AND 18 00:00:41,033 --> 00:00:43,166 NATIONAL OFFICES FROM THEIR 19 00:00:43,166 --> 00:00:45,033 OFFICES IN LANSING DETROIT AND 20 00:00:45,033 --> 00:00:46,333 GRAND RAPIDS 21 00:00:46,333 --> 00:00:47,033 TRUSCOTT-ROSSMAN.COM HAGER FOX 22 00:00:47,033 --> 00:00:49,533 HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING 23 00:00:49,533 --> 00:00:51,000 SERVING THE GREATER LANSING AREA 24 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,033 SINCE 1941 PROVIDING SOLUTIONS 25 00:00:53,033 --> 00:00:55,066 AND CHOICES FOR HOME COMFORT 26 00:00:55,066 --> 00:00:58,466 DURING ALL MICHIGAN SEASONS 27 00:00:58,466 --> 00:01:01,533 HAGER FOX AND BRYANT.COM AND BY 28 00:01:01,533 --> 00:01:03,566 MSU COLLEGE OF AGRICULTURAL AND 29 00:01:03,566 --> 00:01:05,400 NATURAL RESOURCES MICHIGAN STATE 30 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,033 UNIVERSITY WANTS TO BE A TRUSTED 31 00:01:07,033 --> 00:01:08,433 PARTNER IN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT 32 00:01:08,433 --> 00:01:11,966 FOOD AND WHERE IT COMES FROM 33 00:01:11,966 --> 00:01:14,566 INCLUDING ITS IMPACT ON THE 34 00:01:14,566 --> 00:01:16,700 HEALTH AND PLANET LEARN MORE AT 35 00:01:16,700 --> 00:01:21,533 MSU.EDU AND NOW THIS EDITION OF 36 00:01:21,533 --> 00:01:22,633 "OFF THE RECORD" WITH TIM 37 00:01:22,633 --> 00:01:23,000 SKUBICK. 38 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:23,933 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND 39 00:01:23,933 --> 00:01:25,000 WELCOME BACK TO "OFF THE RECORD" 40 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,833 AND WE ARE RECORDING HERE ON 41 00:01:26,833 --> 00:01:28,833 FRIDAY NOVEMBER 17TH BREAKING 42 00:01:28,833 --> 00:01:30,566 NEWS FRED UPTON IS NOT RUNNING 43 00:01:30,566 --> 00:01:32,400 FOR THE U.S. SENATE. 44 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,300 WHAT HAPPENED? 45 00:01:34,300 --> 00:01:36,000 >> WELL THAT IS A VERY GOOD 46 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:36,433 QUESTION. 47 00:01:36,433 --> 00:01:37,866 >> ARE YOU SURPRISED? 48 00:01:37,866 --> 00:01:38,966 >> NO. 49 00:01:38,966 --> 00:01:41,233 HAS THIS HAPPENED A MONTH AND A 50 00:01:41,233 --> 00:01:43,233 HALF AGO I WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY 51 00:01:43,233 --> 00:01:44,300 SURPRISED. 52 00:01:44,300 --> 00:01:46,066 PRIOR TO THE MACKINAC CONFERENCE 53 00:01:46,066 --> 00:01:48,533 THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAD IN MID 54 00:01:48,533 --> 00:01:51,266 SEPTEMBER ALL THE SIGNALS FROM 55 00:01:51,266 --> 00:01:54,800 REPUBLICANS AND SORT OF INNER 56 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,400 WORKINGS OF THE PARTY IS FRED 57 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:57,433 UPTON IS GETTING IN THE RACE 58 00:01:57,433 --> 00:01:59,833 IT'S IMMINENT HE HAD A PRESENCE 59 00:01:59,833 --> 00:02:01,800 ON THE ISLAND UNLIKE ANY I HAVE 60 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,433 SEEN HIM HAVE BEFORE AND MAKING 61 00:02:03,433 --> 00:02:06,766 THE ROUNDS AT EVENTS OUTSIDE OF 62 00:02:06,766 --> 00:02:07,966 HIS DISTRICT IN SOUTHWEST 63 00:02:07,966 --> 00:02:09,300 MICHIGAN THEN NOTHING HAPPENED 64 00:02:09,300 --> 00:02:10,466 AND HE DIDN'T GET IN THE RACE 65 00:02:10,466 --> 00:02:12,033 AND TIME KEPT GOING ON AND ON 66 00:02:12,033 --> 00:02:14,000 AND YOU SAW THINGS HAPPENING 67 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,066 LIKE STEVE BANNON GOING OUT AND 68 00:02:17,066 --> 00:02:19,733 RECRUITING THE MOST 69 00:02:19,733 --> 00:02:20,666 UNESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATES YOU 70 00:02:20,666 --> 00:02:22,300 CAN FIND TO STOP ESTABLISHMENT 71 00:02:22,300 --> 00:02:24,600 CANDIDS AND NOT JUST STOP THEM 72 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,700 BUT DISRATE THEM IN REPUBLICAN 73 00:02:26,700 --> 00:02:29,366 PRIMARIES FRED UPTON IS AN 74 00:02:29,366 --> 00:02:30,333 ESTABLISHED REPUBLICAN 75 00:02:30,333 --> 00:02:30,700 CANDIDATE. 76 00:02:30,700 --> 00:02:32,333 THE ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW 77 00:02:32,333 --> 00:02:33,566 DOESN'T LOOK GREAT FOR 78 00:02:33,566 --> 00:02:36,333 REPUBLICANS HEADING INTO 2018. 79 00:02:36,333 --> 00:02:38,733 IT'S ALREADY GOING TO BE 80 00:02:38,733 --> 00:02:42,500 CHALLENGING TO BEAT DEBBIE STAB 81 00:02:42,500 --> 00:02:46,233 NOW IF IT GOES SOUTH AND FRED 82 00:02:46,233 --> 00:02:48,433 UPTON SAID REELECTION IS THE 83 00:02:48,433 --> 00:02:49,466 BETTER BET. 84 00:02:49,466 --> 00:02:51,433 >> ZACHARY PUT IT PERFECTLY 85 00:02:51,433 --> 00:02:52,700 THREE MONTHS AGO IT WOULD HAVE 86 00:02:52,700 --> 00:02:55,400 BEEN A MUCH MORE OF A SHOCKER 87 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:56,666 HEARING FROM FOLKS HE WAS CLOSE 88 00:02:56,666 --> 00:02:58,733 TO 90% SURE HE WAS GOING TO BE 89 00:02:58,733 --> 00:03:00,633 IN IT AND REMINDS ME OF DAN 90 00:03:00,633 --> 00:03:03,266 KILDEE THIS YEAR ASSUMING HE WAS 91 00:03:03,266 --> 00:03:04,466 GOING TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR AND 92 00:03:04,466 --> 00:03:06,066 SORT OF GOT TO BE JANUARY AND 93 00:03:06,066 --> 00:03:07,533 SHOULDN'T HE ANNOUNCE AND 94 00:03:07,533 --> 00:03:09,533 FEBRUARY AND IT WAS LIKE HUM AND 95 00:03:09,533 --> 00:03:11,600 MARCH THEN WHEN HE FINALLY DID 96 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:12,866 YEAH THAT KIND OF MAKES SENSE 97 00:03:12,866 --> 00:03:14,700 AND SORT OF WHERE WE ARE AT NOW 98 00:03:14,700 --> 00:03:16,400 BUT IT IS GOING TO BE VERY 99 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,900 INTERESTING FOR THE FIELD GOING 100 00:03:18,900 --> 00:03:21,866 FORWARD NOW YOU KNOW WILL THERE 101 00:03:21,866 --> 00:03:23,500 BE A DIFFERENT KIND OF 102 00:03:23,500 --> 00:03:24,366 ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATE THAT 103 00:03:24,366 --> 00:03:29,066 JUMPS IN OR IS THE FIELD SET. 104 00:03:29,066 --> 00:03:30,800 >> I NEVER THOUGHT HE WOULD RUN. 105 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,200 HE FLIRTED WITH IT 20 YEARS AGO. 106 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,733 HE HAS FLIRTED WITH IT. 107 00:03:34,733 --> 00:03:37,233 >> A LOT OF STUFF SEVERAL TIMES 108 00:03:37,233 --> 00:03:38,733 BEFORE STATEWIDE OFFICE. 109 00:03:38,733 --> 00:03:40,300 >> ONE THING IS INTERESTING IN 110 00:03:40,300 --> 00:03:41,266 CONNECTION WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT 111 00:03:41,266 --> 00:03:43,900 HE SAYS HE WILL RUN FOR 112 00:03:43,900 --> 00:03:45,200 REELECTION TO THE HOUSE. 113 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,500 WELL A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT YOU 114 00:03:47,500 --> 00:03:49,100 KNOW HE DECIDED IT'S TIME TO GET 115 00:03:49,100 --> 00:03:50,733 OUT OF THE HOUSE. 116 00:03:50,733 --> 00:03:52,133 >> KEY LEADS ARE STARTING TO 117 00:03:52,133 --> 00:03:53,433 LINE UP A LITTLE BIT AGAINST HIM 118 00:03:53,433 --> 00:03:54,666 IN THE DISTRICT AND COMING AFTER 119 00:03:54,666 --> 00:03:55,033 HIM. 120 00:03:55,033 --> 00:03:56,300 >> WELL THAT AND PLUS THE FACT 121 00:03:56,300 --> 00:03:58,066 HE HAS BEEN THERE FOR SO LONG HE 122 00:03:58,066 --> 00:04:00,500 HAS LOST HIS PRIME COMMITTEE 123 00:04:00,500 --> 00:04:02,400 CHAIRMANSHIP BECAUSE OF THE TERM 124 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:03,233 LIMIT FACTOR. 125 00:04:03,233 --> 00:04:04,600 >> IT GETS IN YOUR BLOOD 126 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:05,333 WILLIAM. 127 00:04:05,333 --> 00:04:07,200 >> IT DOES BUT MY POINT IS HE IS 128 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,433 RUNNING AGAIN AND NOT GOING TO 129 00:04:08,433 --> 00:04:08,833 RETIRE. 130 00:04:08,833 --> 00:04:10,766 HE IS NOT SAYING I HAVE TAKEN 131 00:04:10,766 --> 00:04:12,100 ONE LOOK AT THE SENATE NO I'M 132 00:04:12,100 --> 00:04:13,900 NOT GOING TO DO IT I'M OUT OF 133 00:04:13,900 --> 00:04:15,333 HERE NO HE SAYS I'M GOING TO 134 00:04:15,333 --> 00:04:16,500 CONTINUE ON SO I THOUGHT THAT 135 00:04:16,500 --> 00:04:17,733 WAS INTERESTING BUT I NEVER 136 00:04:17,733 --> 00:04:19,066 REALLY THOUGHT HE WOULD RUN. 137 00:04:19,066 --> 00:04:20,600 >> ALL RIGHT ENOUGH OF FRED 138 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,333 UPTON AND HE IS HISTORY, RIGHT 139 00:04:22,333 --> 00:04:24,866 LET'S TALK ABOUT PIPELINE FIVE, 140 00:04:24,866 --> 00:04:27,500 THIS STORY REFUSES TO GO AWAY 141 00:04:27,500 --> 00:04:29,400 BILLY AND THE GOVERNOR STRONG 142 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,100 LANGUAGE THIS WEEK DOESN'T LIKE 143 00:04:31,100 --> 00:04:32,566 WHAT IS GOING ON HOW COME? 144 00:04:32,566 --> 00:04:36,000 >> WELL, OBVIOUSLY IT'S YOU KNOW 145 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,500 AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN. 146 00:04:37,500 --> 00:04:40,000 IT'S A POTENTIAL DISASTER OF 147 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,033 CATASTROPHIC PROPORTIONS. 148 00:04:43,033 --> 00:04:45,366 >> RAW STEEL IS NOW EXPOSED. 149 00:04:45,366 --> 00:04:49,066 >> HEARD OF EMBRIDGE ENERGY AND 150 00:04:49,066 --> 00:04:50,500 DON'T WANT TO SAY CHANGE THE 151 00:04:50,500 --> 00:04:52,100 TUNE AND SAY ONE THING AND WEEKS 152 00:04:52,100 --> 00:04:53,666 OR MONTHS LATER IT SEEMS TO BE 153 00:04:53,666 --> 00:04:54,900 WORSE AND THERE IS A SENSE OF 154 00:04:54,900 --> 00:04:57,066 SORT OF IMPENDING LOOK EITHER 155 00:04:57,066 --> 00:04:58,433 TELL US WHAT IS GOING ON GIVE US 156 00:04:58,433 --> 00:04:59,966 THE FACTS OR YOU KNOW LET'S 157 00:04:59,966 --> 00:05:01,100 FIGURE SOMETHING ELSE OUT AND 158 00:05:01,100 --> 00:05:03,733 THE IRWAS INITIALLY THEY SAID 159 00:05:03,733 --> 00:05:05,833 THEY WERE INCHES OF PIPELINE 160 00:05:05,833 --> 00:05:07,400 CORROSION AND NOW THERE ARE 161 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,366 SURPRISES THAT ARE MUCH BIGGER. 162 00:05:09,366 --> 00:05:12,900 >> PUBLIC RELATIONS AND 163 00:05:12,900 --> 00:05:14,633 MESSAGING HAS BEEN INEPT FROM 164 00:05:14,633 --> 00:05:15,966 THE BEGINNING AND CONTINUES TO 165 00:05:15,966 --> 00:05:18,266 BE THAT WAY AND THE WAY THINGS 166 00:05:18,266 --> 00:05:19,866 ARE GOING SOMETHING SERIOUS 167 00:05:19,866 --> 00:05:21,066 COULD HAPPEN COMING FROM THE 168 00:05:21,066 --> 00:05:22,233 STATE WHETHER IT'S THE GOVERNOR 169 00:05:22,233 --> 00:05:26,200 OR BILL SCHUETTE OR SOMEBODY 170 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:27,600 ELSE THIS NEXT YEAR. 171 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:28,866 >> WHAT POINT DOES THE GOVERNOR 172 00:05:28,866 --> 00:05:30,133 AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DECIDE 173 00:05:30,133 --> 00:05:32,266 THAT WORDS ARE NOT ENOUGH? 174 00:05:32,266 --> 00:05:34,233 IT'S GONE FROM BEING WORKING 175 00:05:34,233 --> 00:05:37,866 WITH EMBRIDGE AND MAKE SURE 176 00:05:37,866 --> 00:05:40,600 EVERYTHING IS SAFE AND CLEARLY 177 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,966 ARE UP SET WITH THEM AND FEEL 178 00:05:42,966 --> 00:05:44,533 THEY ARE MISLED AND NOBODY IS 179 00:05:44,533 --> 00:05:45,433 GOING IN COURT. 180 00:05:45,433 --> 00:05:46,600 >> NOBODY SAID PULL THE TRIGGER 181 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:47,933 AND SHUT IT DOWN. 182 00:05:47,933 --> 00:05:49,900 >> THERE IS AN EASEMENT THAT THE 183 00:05:49,900 --> 00:05:50,600 STATE OF MICHIGAN GRANTED 184 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,533 EMBRIDGE IN 1953 TO PUT THE 185 00:05:54,533 --> 00:05:56,200 PIPELINE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE 186 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,533 STRAITS OF MACKINAC AND THEY ARE 187 00:05:58,533 --> 00:06:00,000 IN VIOLATION OF THAT EASEMENT 188 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,433 RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF 189 00:06:01,433 --> 00:06:03,233 ANCHOR SUPPORTS. 190 00:06:03,233 --> 00:06:05,200 >> THEY ARE SEEKING PERMITS IN 191 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:06,266 ORDER TO CORRECT IT. 192 00:06:06,266 --> 00:06:07,333 >> THEY ARE BUT I'M JUST SAYING 193 00:06:07,333 --> 00:06:08,800 THEY HAVE GROUNDS TO GO INTO 194 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,033 COURT IF THEY WANTED TO TO TRY 195 00:06:11,033 --> 00:06:12,466 TO STOP THIS. 196 00:06:12,466 --> 00:06:14,400 BUT THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET 197 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,233 AND YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE NOW 198 00:06:16,233 --> 00:06:19,233 THE CRITICS OF EMBRIDGE ARE 199 00:06:19,233 --> 00:06:20,533 SAYING WAIT A MINUTE IT'S GREAT 200 00:06:20,533 --> 00:06:21,866 THAT YOU ARE NOW WHERE WE WERE 201 00:06:21,866 --> 00:06:23,766 IN TERMS OF BEING CRITICAL AND 202 00:06:23,766 --> 00:06:25,266 WORRIED ABOUT THE DANGERS BUT 203 00:06:25,266 --> 00:06:26,500 YOU ARE THE ONES WITH THE ACTUAL 204 00:06:26,500 --> 00:06:27,666 POWER TO DO SOMETHING SO THE 205 00:06:27,666 --> 00:06:29,066 QUESTION IS WHEN DO THEY DECIDE 206 00:06:29,066 --> 00:06:30,300 OKAY WORDS ARE NOT ENOUGH WE 207 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:31,166 HAVE TO DO MORE. 208 00:06:31,166 --> 00:06:32,666 >> THE COMPANY SAID WE REPAIRED 209 00:06:32,666 --> 00:06:34,300 SOME OF THE PROBLEMS AND WE MADE 210 00:06:34,300 --> 00:06:36,533 A RUN AT THAT AND DOING WELL AND 211 00:06:36,533 --> 00:06:37,700 BASICALLY SAYING WE ARE ON TOP 212 00:06:37,700 --> 00:06:39,166 OF THIS BUT PEOPLE ARE 213 00:06:39,166 --> 00:06:40,466 INCREASINGLY SAYING WE ARE NOT 214 00:06:40,466 --> 00:06:41,900 SO SURE. 215 00:06:41,900 --> 00:06:43,866 >> DANIEL OF THE DETROIT NEWS 216 00:06:43,866 --> 00:06:45,266 WROTE A COLUMN FOR MICHIGAN 217 00:06:45,266 --> 00:06:46,900 RADIO MY OUT LET THIS PAST 218 00:06:46,900 --> 00:06:48,100 WEEKEND WHERE HE CALLED IT 219 00:06:48,100 --> 00:06:52,800 TRUMPONIAN FOR THEM TO KEEP 220 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:53,733 SAYING ONE THING AND DOING 221 00:06:53,733 --> 00:06:55,566 ANOTHER OR NOT QUITE FULLY 222 00:06:55,566 --> 00:06:58,866 GIVING ALL OF THE FACTS AT ONCE. 223 00:06:58,866 --> 00:07:00,466 YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS HE 224 00:07:00,466 --> 00:07:01,433 IS TALKING ABOUT IS THIS IDEA 225 00:07:01,433 --> 00:07:03,033 THAT BUSINESSES ARE STARTING TO 226 00:07:03,033 --> 00:07:05,266 COME OUT PATRICK ANDERSON OF 227 00:07:05,266 --> 00:07:06,466 EAST LANSING CONSULTING FIRM 228 00:07:06,466 --> 00:07:07,666 SAYING BUSINESS NEEDS TO START 229 00:07:07,666 --> 00:07:08,433 DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS 230 00:07:08,433 --> 00:07:10,166 BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST QUOTE 231 00:07:10,166 --> 00:07:12,033 UNQUOTE THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS 232 00:07:12,033 --> 00:07:13,900 WHO ARE INTERRUPTING PUBLIC 233 00:07:13,900 --> 00:07:15,566 MEETINGS AND SUCH BUT THAT THIS 234 00:07:15,566 --> 00:07:16,866 ACTUALLY COULD HAVE REALLY HUGE 235 00:07:16,866 --> 00:07:18,333 ECONOMIC FACTORS ON THE STATE 236 00:07:18,333 --> 00:07:20,600 AND IT'S BUSINESS GET IN FRONT 237 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:21,533 OF IT AS WELL. 238 00:07:21,533 --> 00:07:24,266 >> EMBRIDGE LOST PUBLIC 239 00:07:24,266 --> 00:07:25,466 RELATIONS BATTLE ON THIS AND IT 240 00:07:25,466 --> 00:07:26,666 WAS NOT SOMETHING THEY WERE 241 00:07:26,666 --> 00:07:27,333 FATED TO LOSE. 242 00:07:27,333 --> 00:07:29,766 I RECALL A SHOW WE DID A YEAR 243 00:07:29,766 --> 00:07:32,466 AGO, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO AND 244 00:07:32,466 --> 00:07:34,066 WENT AROUND THE TABLE, ASKED 245 00:07:34,066 --> 00:07:35,566 SHOULD PEOPLE THINK THAT THE 246 00:07:35,566 --> 00:07:38,833 LINE FIVE IS AN IMMINENT THREAT 247 00:07:38,833 --> 00:07:43,433 AND WE SLUGGED OUR SHOULDERS AND 248 00:07:43,433 --> 00:07:44,900 NO REASON THERE IS A PROBLEM BUT 249 00:07:44,900 --> 00:07:46,533 THEY MANAGED TO TRIP OVER 250 00:07:46,533 --> 00:07:47,700 THEMSELVES AS WELL AS YOU KNOW 251 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:49,300 NOT GET ALL OF THE INFORMATION 252 00:07:49,300 --> 00:07:51,700 OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND NOW THEY 253 00:07:51,700 --> 00:07:54,200 HAVE LOST CREDIBILITY AND THEY 254 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:55,366 ARE IN A POSITION WHERE THEY 255 00:07:55,366 --> 00:07:57,233 HAVE DUG A BIG HOLE FOR 256 00:07:57,233 --> 00:07:58,666 THEMSELVES AND YOU KNOW THEY HAD 257 00:07:58,666 --> 00:08:00,700 THIS BRIEFING THIS WEEK FOR 258 00:08:00,700 --> 00:08:02,133 REPORTERS WHERE THEY SAID WELL 259 00:08:02,133 --> 00:08:03,900 WE WANT TO UPDATE YOU ON WHERE 260 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:05,600 THINGS ARE. 261 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,666 NO WHERE IN THIS BRIEFING DID 262 00:08:07,666 --> 00:08:10,933 THEY SAY THERE WERE DOZENS OF 263 00:08:10,933 --> 00:08:12,466 CODING GAPS ON THE PIPELINE. 264 00:08:12,466 --> 00:08:15,100 WELL, LATER IN THE DAY THE STATE 265 00:08:15,100 --> 00:08:17,900 COMES OUT AND SAYS EMBRIDGE 266 00:08:17,900 --> 00:08:19,533 INFORMED US TODAY THAT THERE ARE 267 00:08:19,533 --> 00:08:21,100 DOZENS OF CODING GAPS THERE ARE 268 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:22,466 48 LOCATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN 269 00:08:22,466 --> 00:08:24,600 CHECKED BY DIVERS SO FAR AND 270 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:25,733 MAJORITY AND WE DON'T KNOW 271 00:08:25,733 --> 00:08:27,066 EXACTLY HOW MANY HAD GAPS WHERE 272 00:08:27,066 --> 00:08:28,900 THE COATING WASN'T THERE AND IT 273 00:08:28,900 --> 00:08:31,900 WAS BARE STEEL WOULDN'T THAT BE 274 00:08:31,900 --> 00:08:34,233 THE THING IF YOU WANT 275 00:08:34,233 --> 00:08:35,833 CREDIBILITY WOULDN'T YOU CALL A 276 00:08:35,833 --> 00:08:37,666 NEWS CONFERENCE BRING EVERYBODY 277 00:08:37,666 --> 00:08:39,233 IN AND SAY LOOK THIS IS WHAT WE 278 00:08:39,233 --> 00:08:40,566 FOUND AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE 279 00:08:40,566 --> 00:08:41,866 DOING ABOUT IT AND WE ARE ON IT 280 00:08:41,866 --> 00:08:45,266 BUT WHEN YOU OMIT THIS KIND OF 281 00:08:45,266 --> 00:08:46,766 STUFF THAT IS WHAT REALLY 282 00:08:46,766 --> 00:08:47,900 DAMAGES YOUR CREDIBILITY. 283 00:08:47,900 --> 00:08:49,433 >> LOOMING ALL OF THIS OF COURSE 284 00:08:49,433 --> 00:08:51,100 IS WHAT IS THE END GAME IF LINE 285 00:08:51,100 --> 00:08:53,600 FIVE IS EVENTUALLY SHUT DOWN. 286 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,200 >> ATTORNEY GENERAL HIS DAYS ARE 287 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:55,533 NUMBERED. 288 00:08:55,533 --> 00:08:56,266 >> WELL OKAY. 289 00:08:56,266 --> 00:08:59,466 >> HOW MANY DAYS MR. ATTORNEY 290 00:08:59,466 --> 00:09:00,966 GENERAL? 291 00:09:00,966 --> 00:09:02,466 >> THAT IS ULTIMATELY WE HAVE TO 292 00:09:02,466 --> 00:09:03,633 DECIDE WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN 293 00:09:03,633 --> 00:09:05,100 IF THERE IS NO MORE LINE FIVE. 294 00:09:05,100 --> 00:09:07,433 I HATE TO BE POLITICAL ABOUT IT 295 00:09:07,433 --> 00:09:10,066 BUT THE CURRENT CLIMATE IN AN 296 00:09:10,066 --> 00:09:11,933 ELECTION YEAR DO YOU WANT A 297 00:09:11,933 --> 00:09:13,866 BREAK DOWN OF PIPELINE FIVE ON 298 00:09:13,866 --> 00:09:15,233 YOUR RESUME AS YOU ARE RUNNING 299 00:09:15,233 --> 00:09:16,233 FOR GOVERNOR? 300 00:09:16,233 --> 00:09:19,233 >> WELL OBVIOUSLY NO. 301 00:09:19,233 --> 00:09:21,933 NO OBVIOUSLY SO THAT IS WHY I'M 302 00:09:21,933 --> 00:09:23,600 SAYING IN THIS NEXT YEAR COMING 303 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,400 PARTICULARLY FROM SCHUETTE THE 304 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,233 ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO WILL BE 305 00:09:26,233 --> 00:09:27,766 RUNNING THERE COULD BE SOME 306 00:09:27,766 --> 00:09:30,666 ACTION OF REALLY SPECIFIC AND 307 00:09:30,666 --> 00:09:32,200 CONCRETE SORT THAT COULD MAKE A 308 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,566 DIFFERENCE IN THIS WHOLE ESPAID. 309 00:09:34,566 --> 00:09:36,566 >> WHAT I FIND INTERESTING YOU 310 00:09:36,566 --> 00:09:37,866 ARE BRINGING UP POLITICS AND 311 00:09:37,866 --> 00:09:39,166 CONTINUE DOWN THE THREAD WHEN 312 00:09:39,166 --> 00:09:40,633 YOU GO UP NORTH AND DRIVING 313 00:09:40,633 --> 00:09:42,266 THERE THERE ARE YARD SIGNS THAT 314 00:09:42,266 --> 00:09:44,566 ARE PRO-TRUMP YARD SIGNS AND 315 00:09:44,566 --> 00:09:47,566 SHUT DOWN LINE FIVE IN THE SAME 316 00:09:47,566 --> 00:09:49,166 LAWN AND I THINK THAT'S JUST THE 317 00:09:49,166 --> 00:09:51,233 SORT OF FASCINATING DYNAMIC 318 00:09:51,233 --> 00:09:52,866 WHERE IT REALLY DOES FEEL 319 00:09:52,866 --> 00:09:54,333 SOMETHING THAT BOTH REPUBLICANS 320 00:09:54,333 --> 00:09:59,033 AND DEMOCRATS CAN AGREE ON BUT 321 00:09:59,033 --> 00:10:00,066 WHAT IS NEXT. 322 00:10:00,066 --> 00:10:01,166 >> MONDAY THE MARIJUANA PEOPLE 323 00:10:01,166 --> 00:10:02,800 SAY THEY HAVE ENOUGH NAMES TO 324 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,100 PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AND WHAT IS 325 00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:05,300 THE IMPLICATION OF THAT VICE 326 00:10:05,300 --> 00:10:06,900 VISIT THE ELECTION WILLIAM. 327 00:10:06,900 --> 00:10:08,300 >> I THINK IT'S GOING TO DRAW A 328 00:10:08,300 --> 00:10:09,966 BIG TURN OUT PROBABLY FROM THE 329 00:10:09,966 --> 00:10:11,633 LEFT BUT MAYBE MORE ACROSS THE 330 00:10:11,633 --> 00:10:13,533 BOARD THAN MOST PEOPLE THINK, I 331 00:10:13,533 --> 00:10:14,800 THINK IT'S GOING TO PASS IF IT 332 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,266 GETS ON THE BALLOT. 333 00:10:16,266 --> 00:10:18,666 AND IT'S VERY INTERESTING. 334 00:10:18,666 --> 00:10:20,600 FIVE CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNOR 335 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,833 HAVE ALREADY COME OUT AND 336 00:10:23,833 --> 00:10:24,700 ENDORSED THIS. 337 00:10:24,700 --> 00:10:26,666 WELL, ONE REPUBLICAN AND THE 338 00:10:26,666 --> 00:10:28,733 REST WERE DEMOCRATS. 339 00:10:28,733 --> 00:10:30,866 >> WHO IS THE REPUBLICAN? 340 00:10:30,866 --> 00:10:33,200 >> A MINOR CANDIDATE. 341 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,466 >> ALL RIGHT. 342 00:10:34,466 --> 00:10:36,200 NOT A MAJOR ONE. 343 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,800 BUT THE POINT IS CAN YOU IMAGINE 344 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,000 FIVE, 10, 15 YEARS AGO THESE 345 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,200 PEOPLE COMING OUT AND OBVIOUS 346 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,333 IT'S PHENOMENAL EVERYTHING IS 347 00:10:44,333 --> 00:10:45,866 MOVING VERY FAST IN THE 348 00:10:45,866 --> 00:10:48,700 DIRECTION OF A YES VOTE ON THIS 349 00:10:48,700 --> 00:10:50,033 WHICH YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT 350 00:10:50,033 --> 00:10:51,033 POSSIBLE JUST A COUPLE YEARS 351 00:10:51,033 --> 00:10:52,500 AGO. 352 00:10:52,500 --> 00:10:57,233 >> BILL IS CORRECT IN 353 00:10:57,233 --> 00:11:00,466 YIPSILANTE AND FOR LEGALIZATION 354 00:11:00,466 --> 00:11:01,666 OF MARIJUANA AND TEN YEARS 355 00:11:01,666 --> 00:11:03,000 EARLIER IT WAS THE MEDICAL 356 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,466 MARIJUANA PROPOSAL THAT IS SORT 357 00:11:04,466 --> 00:11:06,200 OF CREATED A LOT OF CONFUSION IN 358 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:07,533 THE STATE I THINK IT'S FAIR TO 359 00:11:07,533 --> 00:11:09,600 SAY BUT NO NOW THEY HAVE THESE 360 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:10,700 SIGNATURES APPARENTLY IT LOOKS 361 00:11:10,700 --> 00:11:11,866 LIKE THEY HAVE DEALT WITH 362 00:11:11,866 --> 00:11:12,833 EVERYTHING AND THERE WAS SOME 363 00:11:12,833 --> 00:11:15,400 MONEY ISSUES POSSIBLY 30,000 BUT 364 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,100 NOW THAT IT LOOKS LIKE A 365 00:11:17,100 --> 00:11:18,133 NATIONAL ORGANIZATION IS COMING 366 00:11:18,133 --> 00:11:19,300 IN AND HELPING TAKE CARE OF 367 00:11:19,300 --> 00:11:19,800 THAT. 368 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:20,900 >> OPPOSITION DO THE CHIEFS OF 369 00:11:20,900 --> 00:11:24,733 POLICE AND THE MIKE BUCHARDS OF 370 00:11:24,733 --> 00:11:26,300 THE WORLD NOW LAUNCH AN EFFORT 371 00:11:26,300 --> 00:11:27,366 TO KILL THIS? 372 00:11:27,366 --> 00:11:29,166 >> THERE WILL BE AN ORGANIZED 373 00:11:29,166 --> 00:11:31,500 OPPOSITION LAUNCHED BY LAW 374 00:11:31,500 --> 00:11:33,333 ENFORCEMENT. 375 00:11:33,333 --> 00:11:35,366 WILL THEY BE MORE SUCCESSFUL 376 00:11:35,366 --> 00:11:37,200 THAN THEY WERE AGAINST MEDICAL 377 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,200 MARIJUANA, THIS INVOLVES 378 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:40,200 RECREATION USE. 379 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:40,933 >> THIS IS DIFFERENT. 380 00:11:40,933 --> 00:11:42,666 >> NOT THE SYMPATHETIC PATIENT 381 00:11:42,666 --> 00:11:44,966 SAYING YOU KNOW I'M IN AGONY AND 382 00:11:44,966 --> 00:11:46,800 PAIN AND THIS HELPS ME THIS IS 383 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,266 RECREATION USE AND YOU KNOW THE 384 00:11:48,266 --> 00:11:51,166 IDEA THAT WE PEOPLE WHO USE 385 00:11:51,166 --> 00:11:52,266 MARIJUANA SHOULDN'T BE PUT 386 00:11:52,266 --> 00:11:53,366 THROUGH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE 387 00:11:53,366 --> 00:11:53,700 SYSTEM. 388 00:11:53,700 --> 00:11:55,433 I THINK BILL IS PROBABLY RIGHT 389 00:11:55,433 --> 00:11:57,400 THAT THE ODDS START OUT IN FAVOR 390 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,866 OF THIS AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A 391 00:11:59,866 --> 00:12:02,300 LOCK BUT YOU KNOW THERE WILL 392 00:12:02,300 --> 00:12:04,033 NEED TO BE SOME MONEY SPENT ON 393 00:12:04,033 --> 00:12:06,100 THE YES SIDE BECAUSE THERE WILL 394 00:12:06,100 --> 00:12:08,200 BE A NO CAMPAIGN WAGE AND AS WE 395 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,066 ALWAYS SAY THE NO CAMPAIGN 396 00:12:10,066 --> 00:12:11,566 ALWAYS START OUT WITH AN EDGE. 397 00:12:11,566 --> 00:12:13,200 >> HEARING A LOT ABOUT COLORADO 398 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,466 AND WASHINGTON AND WHAT HAS 399 00:12:15,466 --> 00:12:16,400 HAPPENED OUT THERE. 400 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,200 >> ALSO FOLKS ON THE PRO SIDE 401 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:20,766 SAYING THIS IS GOING TO HELP THE 402 00:12:20,766 --> 00:12:22,566 STATE BUDGET AND SEE ALL THE 403 00:12:22,566 --> 00:12:23,700 DIFFERENT ARGUMENTS FOR AND 404 00:12:23,700 --> 00:12:25,500 AGAINST IT ALMOST DON'T HAVE TO 405 00:12:25,500 --> 00:12:27,100 DEAL WITH THE IDEA OF MARIJUANA 406 00:12:27,100 --> 00:12:29,166 BUT ECONOMIC ISSUES AS WELL. 407 00:12:29,166 --> 00:12:30,066 I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE 408 00:12:30,066 --> 00:12:32,000 INTERESTING TO WATCH 2018 AND WE 409 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,133 HAVE BEEN TALKING OF COURSE 410 00:12:33,133 --> 00:12:35,333 ABOUT THE REDISTRICTING 411 00:12:35,333 --> 00:12:36,733 PREVAILING WAGE AND WE HAVE 412 00:12:36,733 --> 00:12:37,600 LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA AND 413 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,033 WHAT THE BALLOT IS GOING TO LOOK 414 00:12:39,033 --> 00:12:40,233 LIKE IN 2018. 415 00:12:40,233 --> 00:12:42,300 IT WAS 2012 WHEN WE HAD SORT OF 416 00:12:42,300 --> 00:12:45,500 BALLOT PALOOZA AND SIX QUESTIONS 417 00:12:45,500 --> 00:12:46,700 WILL WE GET CLOSE TO THAT AND 418 00:12:46,700 --> 00:12:49,266 WHAT WILL IT DO FOR TURN OUT 419 00:12:49,266 --> 00:12:49,933 BILL. 420 00:12:49,933 --> 00:12:50,733 >> QUICKLY WE ARE HEARING THE 421 00:12:50,733 --> 00:12:53,366 SENATE ORGANIZED LABOR GROUPS 422 00:12:53,366 --> 00:12:54,966 RESERVED TIME ON CAPITOL LAWN 423 00:12:54,966 --> 00:12:56,166 AND THEY ARE CONCERNED THAT 424 00:12:56,166 --> 00:12:57,233 HOUSE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO 425 00:12:57,233 --> 00:12:59,933 TRY TO TAKE AWAY RETIREMENT 426 00:12:59,933 --> 00:13:03,833 HEALTHCARE BENEFITS OF RETIREES. 427 00:13:03,833 --> 00:13:05,433 >> MUNICIPAL AND GOVERNMENT 428 00:13:05,433 --> 00:13:05,933 WORKERS. 429 00:13:05,933 --> 00:13:08,400 >> FIREFIGHTERS, COPS CIVIL 430 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:08,866 SERVANTS. 431 00:13:08,866 --> 00:13:09,700 >> SO FORTH. 432 00:13:09,700 --> 00:13:11,066 >> IT APPEARS THAT THERE IS A 433 00:13:11,066 --> 00:13:12,066 FRAMEWORK THAT HAS BEEN PUT 434 00:13:12,066 --> 00:13:13,566 TOGETHER OF A PROPOSAL THAT THE 435 00:13:13,566 --> 00:13:14,800 HOUSE REPUBLICANS ARE INTERESTED 436 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,433 IN MOVING IT, ALMOST MOVED 437 00:13:16,433 --> 00:13:19,666 BEFORE THE BREAK BUT. 438 00:13:19,666 --> 00:13:21,500 >> IT ALMOST MOVED A YEAR AGO 439 00:13:21,500 --> 00:13:23,033 REMEMBER DURING LAME DUCK AND 440 00:13:23,033 --> 00:13:23,966 THE FIREFIGHTERS AND THE COPS 441 00:13:23,966 --> 00:13:24,766 CAME OUT. 442 00:13:24,766 --> 00:13:26,266 >> IT HAS BEEN ABOUT A YEAR'S 443 00:13:26,266 --> 00:13:28,166 WORK OF WORKGROUP ON IT WITH ALL 444 00:13:28,166 --> 00:13:30,133 THE STAKEHOLDERS INVOLVED AND 445 00:13:30,133 --> 00:13:31,733 APPEARS THE PUBLIC SAFETY 446 00:13:31,733 --> 00:13:34,100 OFFICERS POLICE AND FIRE ARE NOT 447 00:13:34,100 --> 00:13:35,166 HAPPY WITH THE PRODUCT THAT HAS 448 00:13:35,166 --> 00:13:37,166 COME OUT BECAUSE IT INCLUDES A 449 00:13:37,166 --> 00:13:38,900 PROVISION THAT COULD LEAD TO 450 00:13:38,900 --> 00:13:41,500 EFFECTIVELY THE STATE COMING IN 451 00:13:41,500 --> 00:13:46,766 AND FORCING CHANGES, CURBS IN 452 00:13:46,766 --> 00:13:47,633 PENSION BENEFITS. 453 00:13:47,633 --> 00:13:49,400 >> IT'S A FIVE PERSON PANEL AT 454 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,500 STEP FIVE OF THE PROCESS THAT IF 455 00:13:51,500 --> 00:13:53,133 NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE LOCAL 456 00:13:53,133 --> 00:13:54,833 FOLKS RETIREES DON'T WORKOUT 457 00:13:54,833 --> 00:13:56,700 THEY CAN IMPOSE A SETTLEMENT AND 458 00:13:56,700 --> 00:13:58,433 THAT IS WHAT GOT EVERYBODY UP IN 459 00:13:58,433 --> 00:13:58,733 ARMS. 460 00:13:58,733 --> 00:14:01,200 >> AND I THINK WE ARE ALL 461 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:02,700 ENVISIONING TOO IT WAS EXACTLY 462 00:14:02,700 --> 00:14:03,766 FIVE YEARS AGO COME THIS 463 00:14:03,766 --> 00:14:04,933 DECEMBER THAT RIGHT TO WORK WAS 464 00:14:04,933 --> 00:14:07,066 PASSED SO IF WE ARE THINKING OF 465 00:14:07,066 --> 00:14:08,233 FOLKS OUTSIDE OF THE CAPITOL IT 466 00:14:08,233 --> 00:14:09,833 WOULD BE AN INTERESTING FIVE 467 00:14:09,833 --> 00:14:11,066 YEAR ANNIVERSARY. 468 00:14:11,066 --> 00:14:12,266 >> SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND LET'S 469 00:14:12,266 --> 00:14:13,700 CALL IN DAVE AGAMA AND TALK 470 00:14:13,700 --> 00:14:17,866 ABOUT THE PART TIME LEGISLATURE. 471 00:14:17,866 --> 00:14:19,700 DAVE AGAMA IS A FORMER MEMBER OF 472 00:14:19,700 --> 00:14:22,766 THE MICHIGAN HOUSE ELECTED IN 473 00:14:22,766 --> 00:14:24,466 2007 THE WEST MICHIGAN REPRESENT 474 00:14:24,466 --> 00:14:26,166 IS A FORMER COMMERCIAL AIRLINE 475 00:14:26,166 --> 00:14:27,400 PILOT AND BUSINESS CONSULTANT 476 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,433 AND HOLDS AN UNDER GRADUATE FROM 477 00:14:29,433 --> 00:14:31,200 CALVIN COLLEGE AND MASTERS FROM 478 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:32,500 CENTRAL MICHIGAN HE IS NOW PART 479 00:14:32,500 --> 00:14:34,600 OF THE EFFORT TO PASS A PART 480 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,366 TIME LEGISLATURE. 481 00:14:36,366 --> 00:14:40,533 GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, MAN. 482 00:14:40,533 --> 00:14:41,366 >> FIRST QUESTION. 483 00:14:41,366 --> 00:14:43,033 >> YOU ARE PARTLY PART OF THE 484 00:14:43,033 --> 00:14:46,066 PART TIME LEGISLATURE PUSH 485 00:14:46,066 --> 00:14:47,266 INITIATIVE AND YET YOU WERE PART 486 00:14:47,266 --> 00:14:49,266 OF THE LEGISLATURE AT ONE POINT 487 00:14:49,266 --> 00:14:50,733 TELL ME WHY YOU THINK IT NEEDS 488 00:14:50,733 --> 00:14:52,366 TO GO PART TIME WHEN YOU 489 00:14:52,366 --> 00:14:53,800 YOURSELF TOOK PART IN A FULL 490 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:54,800 TIME LEGISLATURE. 491 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:55,766 >> LET'S GO BACK WHEN I FIRST 492 00:14:55,766 --> 00:14:58,900 GOT ELECTED IN THE LEGISLATURE I 493 00:14:58,900 --> 00:15:00,533 PUT IN THE BILL FOR PART TIME 494 00:15:00,533 --> 00:15:01,700 LEGISLATURE SITTING NEXT TO ME 495 00:15:01,700 --> 00:15:04,766 WAS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR CALLEY 496 00:15:04,766 --> 00:15:07,166 HE MYSELF MCMILLAN I THINK 497 00:15:07,166 --> 00:15:09,033 JUSTIN AMASH WERE THE ONLY FOUR 498 00:15:09,033 --> 00:15:10,733 THAT SIGNED ON THE BILL AND WENT 499 00:15:10,733 --> 00:15:12,100 NO WHERE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE IN 500 00:15:12,100 --> 00:15:14,966 LANSING WANT A FULL TIME 501 00:15:14,966 --> 00:15:15,933 LEGISLATURE BECAUSE THAT IS 502 00:15:15,933 --> 00:15:18,033 THEIR LIVELIHOOD AND THINK ABOUT 503 00:15:18,033 --> 00:15:19,500 THIS A MOMENT WHEN YOU FIRST GET 504 00:15:19,500 --> 00:15:21,900 IN THE FIRST MONTH YOU ARE 505 00:15:21,900 --> 00:15:23,700 ALLOWED TO PUT TEN BILLS IN YOU 506 00:15:23,700 --> 00:15:25,266 HAVE 110 REPRESENTATIVES, YOU 507 00:15:25,266 --> 00:15:26,766 GET 38 SENATORS. 508 00:15:26,766 --> 00:15:28,566 IF THEY ALL PUT 10 IN THAT IS 509 00:15:28,566 --> 00:15:30,600 1400 ROUGHLY 80 BILLS THAT COULD 510 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,166 BE PUT IN THE FIRST MONTH. 511 00:15:32,166 --> 00:15:33,633 EVERY MONTH THERE AFTER THEY 512 00:15:33,633 --> 00:15:35,300 HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT FIVE 513 00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:37,233 BILLS IN AND MULTIPLY THAT ALL 514 00:15:37,233 --> 00:15:40,133 OUT FIVE BILLS TIMES 148 TIMES 515 00:15:40,133 --> 00:15:41,633 11 MONTHS AND POSSIBILITY OF 516 00:15:41,633 --> 00:15:43,500 9,000 BILLS BEING PUT IN THAT IS 517 00:15:43,500 --> 00:15:45,233 THE PROBLEM WE HAVE BEEN OVER 518 00:15:45,233 --> 00:15:46,966 REGULATED OVER TAXED OVER 519 00:15:46,966 --> 00:15:47,733 EVERYTHING BECAUSE WE HAVE A 520 00:15:47,733 --> 00:15:50,233 FULL TIME LEGISLATURE, MICHIGAN, 521 00:15:50,233 --> 00:15:51,833 PENNSYLVANIA, NEW YORK, AND 522 00:15:51,833 --> 00:15:53,666 CALIFORNIA ALL HAVE HARD CORE 523 00:15:53,666 --> 00:15:55,166 FULL TIME LEGISLATURES. 524 00:15:55,166 --> 00:16:00,833 NOW I REALIZE THAT LIVENGOOD WAS 525 00:16:00,833 --> 00:16:02,666 IN IT FOR MISSOURI AND GOOD 526 00:16:02,666 --> 00:16:04,200 REASON IT DIDN'T WORK AND IF IT 527 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,266 DID NOT WORK WHY DID THEY 528 00:16:06,266 --> 00:16:07,933 CONTINUE TO HAVE A PART TIME 529 00:16:07,933 --> 00:16:08,866 LEGISLATURE BECAUSE IT DOES 530 00:16:08,866 --> 00:16:09,566 WORK. 531 00:16:09,566 --> 00:16:11,700 >> ARE YOU GOING TO BE ON THE 532 00:16:11,700 --> 00:16:12,300 BALLOT? 533 00:16:12,300 --> 00:16:12,966 >> ON THE BALLOT. 534 00:16:12,966 --> 00:16:13,833 >> HOW DO YOU KNOW? 535 00:16:13,833 --> 00:16:14,900 >> WE ARE HALFWAY RIGHT NOW AND 536 00:16:14,900 --> 00:16:18,500 HAD 90,000 AND HAD 150,000 LEFT 537 00:16:18,500 --> 00:16:20,166 AFTER THEY JUST ANNOUNCED POWER 538 00:16:20,166 --> 00:16:21,666 AND SINCE THEN MUCH MONEY HAS 539 00:16:21,666 --> 00:16:22,533 COME IN. 540 00:16:22,533 --> 00:16:23,966 >> WHERE DID IT COME FROM? 541 00:16:23,966 --> 00:16:25,633 >> I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT. 542 00:16:25,633 --> 00:16:26,266 >> WHY? 543 00:16:26,266 --> 00:16:27,566 >> PEOPLE THAT HAVE GIVEN MONEY 544 00:16:27,566 --> 00:16:30,200 AND 501C4 WANT THEIR NAMES OUT 545 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:31,766 OF IT IT'S LEGAL. 546 00:16:31,766 --> 00:16:33,766 >> OH, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL 547 00:16:33,766 --> 00:16:35,266 NO ONE IS NOT SAYING IT'S NOT 548 00:16:35,266 --> 00:16:36,866 LEGAL BUT FOR AN AVERAGE CITIZEN 549 00:16:36,866 --> 00:16:38,800 WHO YOU KNOW MIGHT SAY YES DO 550 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,000 YOU KNOW WHAT I BELIEVE 551 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,633 LAWMAKERS NEED TO WORK PART TIME 552 00:16:41,633 --> 00:16:43,200 WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM WHO ARE 553 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:44,533 SAYING WELL WHO IS FUNDING THIS 554 00:16:44,533 --> 00:16:46,000 WHO IS BEHIND IT AND YOU SAY YOU 555 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,433 DON'T NEED TO KNOW THAT DON'T 556 00:16:47,433 --> 00:16:49,333 WORRY YOUR PRETTY LITTLE HEAD. 557 00:16:49,333 --> 00:16:51,700 >> I GOT IN IT IN THE LAST TWO, 558 00:16:51,700 --> 00:16:53,833 THREE WEEKS AND ASK BRIAN CALLEY 559 00:16:53,833 --> 00:16:54,433 WITH THIS. 560 00:16:54,433 --> 00:16:55,633 HE IS NOT CONNECTED WITH IT AND 561 00:16:55,633 --> 00:16:56,266 NOT TALKING. 562 00:16:56,266 --> 00:16:57,500 >> HE KIND OF BAILED OUT. 563 00:16:57,500 --> 00:16:59,900 >> DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS BEHIND 564 00:16:59,900 --> 00:17:00,100 IT. 565 00:17:00,100 --> 00:17:01,533 >> I DON'T CARE BECAUSE IN MY 566 00:17:01,533 --> 00:17:03,233 OPINION IS I HAVE BEEN AFTER 567 00:17:03,233 --> 00:17:04,500 THIS FOR TEN YEARS AND I THINK 568 00:17:04,500 --> 00:17:06,166 IT'S SO NECESSARY. 569 00:17:06,166 --> 00:17:07,933 I WAS A MILITARY OFFICER. 570 00:17:07,933 --> 00:17:09,500 I WAS A FIGHTER PILOT AND AN 571 00:17:09,500 --> 00:17:11,133 AIRLINE PILOT SENIOR CAPTAIN 572 00:17:11,133 --> 00:17:12,833 WITH AMERICAN AIRLINES WHAT I 573 00:17:12,833 --> 00:17:13,933 LEARNED WHEN I GOT THERE I'M 574 00:17:13,933 --> 00:17:15,766 GOING TO GET TO LANSING AND DEAL 575 00:17:15,766 --> 00:17:16,800 WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY 576 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,233 SMART AND KNOW WHAT THEY ARE 577 00:17:19,233 --> 00:17:20,866 DOING AND I DISCOVERED THEY ARE 578 00:17:20,866 --> 00:17:22,100 NOT SMART AND A LOT OF THEM 579 00:17:22,100 --> 00:17:27,233 DON'T HAVE DEGREES AND MEEKHOFF 580 00:17:27,233 --> 00:17:29,266 IS ONE AND CAN'T LOOK AT A 581 00:17:29,266 --> 00:17:30,500 BUDGET WHAT IS REQUIRED BY OUR 582 00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:32,366 STATE CONSTITUTION? 583 00:17:32,366 --> 00:17:33,866 >> PASS A BUDGET. 584 00:17:33,866 --> 00:17:35,266 >> HOW MANY PEOPLE WORK ON THE 585 00:17:35,266 --> 00:17:35,866 BUDGET? 586 00:17:35,866 --> 00:17:36,966 25%. 587 00:17:36,966 --> 00:17:41,066 WHAT IS THE OTHER 75% DO FOR 365 588 00:17:41,066 --> 00:17:42,966 DAYS A YEAR TAXES FINES FEES 589 00:17:42,966 --> 00:17:44,233 REGIONS REGULATIONS AND SO 590 00:17:44,233 --> 00:17:44,666 FORTH. 591 00:17:44,666 --> 00:17:46,500 >> YOU KNOW WE HAD A PART TIME 592 00:17:46,500 --> 00:17:48,866 LEGISLATURE FOR 130 yEARS AND 593 00:17:48,866 --> 00:17:50,400 YOU COULD HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW. 594 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:51,500 I MEAN IN OTHER WORDS THERE IS 595 00:17:51,500 --> 00:17:53,100 NOTHING THAT MANDATES THAT WE 596 00:17:53,100 --> 00:17:54,566 HAVE A FULL TIME LEGISLATURE, 597 00:17:54,566 --> 00:17:58,000 THE LEGISLATURE WILL CORRECT 598 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:58,333 ITSELF. 599 00:17:58,333 --> 00:17:59,833 >> THEY WON'T. 600 00:17:59,833 --> 00:18:00,500 >> WHY NOT? 601 00:18:00,500 --> 00:18:02,033 >> THEY LOVE THE JOB. 602 00:18:02,033 --> 00:18:05,366 >> ALL YOU LOVE THE FULL TIME 603 00:18:05,366 --> 00:18:05,766 JOB. 604 00:18:05,766 --> 00:18:06,633 >> I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE 605 00:18:06,633 --> 00:18:08,066 WHO ARE THERE THAT LOVE IT OR 606 00:18:08,066 --> 00:18:09,933 DON'T LOVE IT BUT LET'S FACE IT 607 00:18:09,933 --> 00:18:11,300 MOST OF THE PEOPLE IT'S THE BEST 608 00:18:11,300 --> 00:18:13,000 JOB THEY EVER HAD. 609 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,533 I WAS A RETIRED AIRLINE PILOT 610 00:18:14,533 --> 00:18:16,133 AND RETIRED COLONEL IN THE 611 00:18:16,133 --> 00:18:17,600 AIRFORCE AND DIDN'T NEED THE JOB 612 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:18,733 THAT IS THE KIND OF PEOPLE I 613 00:18:18,733 --> 00:18:20,500 WANT IN THE POSITIONS SOMEBODY 614 00:18:20,500 --> 00:18:22,333 LIKE YOU WITH GRAY HAIR ON THEIR 615 00:18:22,333 --> 00:18:23,766 HEAD WITH A LIFETIME EXPERIENCE 616 00:18:23,766 --> 00:18:25,133 CAN GET IN THAT POSITION AND 617 00:18:25,133 --> 00:18:26,433 VOTE TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN A 618 00:18:26,433 --> 00:18:29,866 YOUNG PERSON THAT GETS INTO THAT 619 00:18:29,866 --> 00:18:30,966 DOESN'T HAVE LIFE EXPERIENCE SO 620 00:18:30,966 --> 00:18:32,066 I'M JUST SAYING I KNOW IT'S 621 00:18:32,066 --> 00:18:35,666 NECESSARY, I'VE BEEN THERE AND I 622 00:18:35,666 --> 00:18:37,566 WAS CAUCUS CHAIR AND KNOWS WHAT 623 00:18:37,566 --> 00:18:38,933 GOES ON AND SHOOK MY HEAD THIS 624 00:18:38,933 --> 00:18:40,433 IS CRAZY AND NEVER FORGET THE 625 00:18:40,433 --> 00:18:42,000 FIRST TIME ON THE FLOOR WITH OUR 626 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,366 FIRST VOTE WITH LIEUTENANT 627 00:18:44,366 --> 00:18:45,933 GOVERNOR SITTING NEXT TO ME, WE 628 00:18:45,933 --> 00:18:46,766 HAD A VOTE. 629 00:18:46,766 --> 00:18:49,800 AND THERE WERE 109 YES VOTES AND 630 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,433 ONE NO VOTE AGE LIMIT AND ALL 631 00:18:52,433 --> 00:18:54,566 LOOKED AT ME WHAT IS THIS GUY 632 00:18:54,566 --> 00:18:56,033 THINKING THIS IS A DUMB BILL, 633 00:18:56,033 --> 00:18:58,066 WHY ARE WE EVEN VOTING ON THIS 634 00:18:58,066 --> 00:18:59,200 BILL BECAUSE BUSINESSES CAN 635 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,666 FIGURE THIS OUT ON THEIR OWN WE 636 00:19:00,666 --> 00:19:01,666 DON'T HAVE TO TELL THEM HOW TO 637 00:19:01,666 --> 00:19:03,633 DO IT THEN I KEPT A LIST FOR A 638 00:19:03,633 --> 00:19:05,400 LONG TIME OF DUMB BILLS. 639 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:06,733 I WISH I WOULD HAVE KEPT THAT 640 00:19:06,733 --> 00:19:07,233 LIST. 641 00:19:07,233 --> 00:19:08,733 I'LL GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE. 642 00:19:08,733 --> 00:19:10,433 THIS IS HOW STUPID IT CAN GET IN 643 00:19:10,433 --> 00:19:11,700 LANSING AND THIS IS WHY THEY 644 00:19:11,700 --> 00:19:13,133 HAVE TOO MUCH TIME IN LANSING. 645 00:19:13,133 --> 00:19:15,666 THE BILL WAS PUT ON BY COLEMAN 646 00:19:15,666 --> 00:19:17,066 YOUNG THE THIRD THAT PEOPLE 647 00:19:17,066 --> 00:19:18,800 WORKING ON THE ROAD FOR EVERY 10 648 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,766 PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PORTA 649 00:19:21,766 --> 00:19:24,166 POTTY AND WE HAVE TO MANDATE 650 00:19:24,166 --> 00:19:25,800 PORTA POTTIES AND I LOOKED ON 651 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,200 THE HOUSE FLOOR THERE ARE SOME 652 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,766 WOMEN THERE BUT WE HAVE THREE 653 00:19:28,766 --> 00:19:30,100 TOILETS IN THE BACK FOR THE MEN 654 00:19:30,100 --> 00:19:32,100 AND WE NEED SOME PORTA POTTIES 655 00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:33,366 ON THE HOUSE FLOOR BECAUSE THERE 656 00:19:33,366 --> 00:19:38,100 IS MORE THAN TEN FOR A PORTA 657 00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:39,466 POTTY AND BILLS ARE UNNECESSARY 658 00:19:39,466 --> 00:19:41,966 AND QUITE FRANKLY NOT IN SESSION 659 00:19:41,966 --> 00:19:43,066 BUSINESS IS SAFEST. 660 00:19:43,066 --> 00:19:44,900 >> DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM CALLED 661 00:19:44,900 --> 00:19:46,500 THE CLEAN MICHIGAN CAMPAIGN AND 662 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:47,766 CLEANUP GOVERNMENT AND NOBODY 663 00:19:47,766 --> 00:19:49,000 KNOWS WHO IS FUNDING IT HOW DO 664 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,633 YOU EXPLAIN THAT HOW IS IT 665 00:19:50,633 --> 00:19:52,000 CLEANING UP GOVERNMENT WHEN YOU 666 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,400 HAVE UNKNOWN FUNDERS PAYING FOR 667 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:54,266 A CHANGE? 668 00:19:54,266 --> 00:19:56,433 >> WHAT IS A 501C4 FOR? 669 00:19:56,433 --> 00:19:59,500 YOU CAN FIGURE THAT OUT ON YOUR 670 00:19:59,500 --> 00:19:59,833 OWN. 671 00:19:59,833 --> 00:20:02,000 FOR ME I KNOW IT'S NECESSARY 672 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,033 BEEN THERE DONE IT. 673 00:20:03,033 --> 00:20:04,033 >> ON THE BILLS YOU ARE TALKING 674 00:20:04,033 --> 00:20:05,866 ABOUT GRANTED THERE ARE 675 00:20:05,866 --> 00:20:07,233 THOUSANDS OF BILLS INTRODUCED 676 00:20:07,233 --> 00:20:09,100 BUT THERE IS ONLY ABOUT ONLY 677 00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:11,966 RELATIVE TERM MAYBE 800 PUBLIC 678 00:20:11,966 --> 00:20:14,066 ACTS EVERY TWO YEARS AND MAY 679 00:20:14,066 --> 00:20:15,400 HAVE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF 680 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,433 BILLS AND 148 PEOPLE WHO MAKE 681 00:20:17,433 --> 00:20:19,133 THE DECISION THEY ARE ELECTED IS 682 00:20:19,133 --> 00:20:22,166 THIS GOOD OR BAD. 683 00:20:22,166 --> 00:20:23,200 >> BAD. 684 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,700 >> IF THEY DECIDE IT'S GOOD 685 00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:25,866 POLICY HOW DO YOU SAY THAT IS A 686 00:20:25,866 --> 00:20:27,133 BAD THING? 687 00:20:27,133 --> 00:20:27,900 >> FIRST OF ALL LET'S GO BACK 688 00:20:27,900 --> 00:20:29,800 FOR EVERY BILL THAT PASSES THE 689 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,733 LEGISLATURE SERVICE BUREAU AND 690 00:20:31,733 --> 00:20:33,466 GO TO COMMITTEE IT COSTS A HALF 691 00:20:33,466 --> 00:20:34,400 A MILLION DOLLARS. 692 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:35,900 THAT IS JUST ROUGHLY WHAT IT 693 00:20:35,900 --> 00:20:37,400 COSTS SO YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE 694 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:38,300 BILLS THAT ARE PUT IN AND YOU 695 00:20:38,300 --> 00:20:40,033 LOOK AT THE STATES THAT ARE PART 696 00:20:40,033 --> 00:20:42,133 TIME THEY PUT IN LESS BILLS. 697 00:20:42,133 --> 00:20:42,700 THEY DO. 698 00:20:42,700 --> 00:20:45,133 LOOK AT TEXAS THEY MEET EVERY 699 00:20:45,133 --> 00:20:47,000 OTHER YEAR, THEY HAVE AN ECONOMY 700 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,133 BIGGER THAN A LOT OF THE 701 00:20:48,133 --> 00:20:48,466 COUNTRIES. 702 00:20:48,466 --> 00:20:51,866 >> LET'S DO NUMBERS TOM MCMILLAN 703 00:20:51,866 --> 00:20:54,100 COCHAIRING SAID YOU HAVE 180,000 704 00:20:54,100 --> 00:20:54,900 NAMES IS THAT CORRECT. 705 00:20:54,900 --> 00:20:55,666 >> MORE THAN HALF. 706 00:20:55,666 --> 00:20:57,833 >> YOU NEED ANOTHER 180,000 707 00:20:57,833 --> 00:20:59,466 NAMES BY MID JANUARY SO IN OTHER 708 00:20:59,466 --> 00:20:59,733 WORDS. 709 00:20:59,733 --> 00:21:01,266 >> NO WE DON'T NEED IT BY MID 710 00:21:01,266 --> 00:21:01,700 JANUARY. 711 00:21:01,700 --> 00:21:03,033 >> WHAT IS THE NEW DATE? 712 00:21:03,033 --> 00:21:04,566 >> IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH WE CAN 713 00:21:04,566 --> 00:21:06,800 DO APRIL OR MAY AND PUT IT IN 714 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:07,166 JUNE. 715 00:21:07,166 --> 00:21:08,700 >> DID YOU MOVE THE CLOCK DOWN. 716 00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:10,100 >> 180 WINDOW. 717 00:21:10,100 --> 00:21:11,600 >> I UNDERSTAND AS YOU MOVE THE 718 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,033 WINDOW YOU LOSE NAMES ON THE 719 00:21:13,033 --> 00:21:13,633 OTHER END. 720 00:21:13,633 --> 00:21:14,900 >> YOU DO HOWEVER AND AGAIN I'M 721 00:21:14,900 --> 00:21:16,366 NOT AUTHORIZED TO TELL YOU WHAT 722 00:21:16,366 --> 00:21:17,833 WE ARE ABOUT TO DO BUT YOU WILL 723 00:21:17,833 --> 00:21:19,366 KNOW IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS 724 00:21:19,366 --> 00:21:20,566 SOMETHING THAT WILL BE VERY 725 00:21:20,566 --> 00:21:22,033 EFFECTIVE TO GET NAMES IF WE 726 00:21:22,033 --> 00:21:23,733 DISCOVER WE ARE GETTING A WHOLE 727 00:21:23,733 --> 00:21:25,300 BUNCH OF NEW NAMES HERE IN THE 728 00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:26,900 NEXT TWO THREE MONTHS WE WILL 729 00:21:26,900 --> 00:21:28,466 BACK OFF. 730 00:21:28,466 --> 00:21:29,500 >> YOU WILL PICK UP THE PACE. 731 00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:29,900 >> YES. 732 00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:32,233 >> GET SIGNATURES MUST FASTER. 733 00:21:32,233 --> 00:21:33,400 >> WHAT IS THE REASON THAT FOLKS 734 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,800 WHO MAY BE FRUSTRATED WITH 735 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,533 LANSING OR BELIEVE THAT THERE 736 00:21:37,533 --> 00:21:39,000 SHOULD BE FEWER BILLS BUT ARE 737 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,600 NOT FOR A PART TIME LEGISLATURE 738 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,133 IS THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN A 739 00:21:42,133 --> 00:21:43,633 LOT OF FOLKS SAY IT WOULD KEEP 740 00:21:43,633 --> 00:21:45,600 PEOPLE WHO HAVE FULL TIME JOBS 741 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,333 OUT OF THE LEGISLATURE LIKE A 742 00:21:47,333 --> 00:21:49,333 TEACHER RIGHT FOR THAT PERSON 743 00:21:49,333 --> 00:21:51,133 THEY CAN'T JUST LEAVE THREE 744 00:21:51,133 --> 00:21:52,333 MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR OUT OF 745 00:21:52,333 --> 00:21:53,600 THE SCHOOL YEAR AND COME UP TO 746 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:54,766 LANSING. 747 00:21:54,766 --> 00:21:56,733 IS THERE CONCERN FOR YOU OR 748 00:21:56,733 --> 00:21:58,833 SOMEONE WHO IS SIGNING ON TO 749 00:21:58,833 --> 00:22:00,166 THIS PETITION YOU ARE BASICALLY 750 00:22:00,166 --> 00:22:01,900 SAYING ONLY A CERTAIN GROUP OF 751 00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:04,166 PEOPLE MAYBE INDEPENDENTLY 752 00:22:04,166 --> 00:22:05,500 WEALTHY WHO DON'T HAVE FULL TIME 753 00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:07,233 JOBS OR ARE ABLE TO BE BUSINESS 754 00:22:07,233 --> 00:22:08,933 OPENERS AND THEY CAN SET THEIR 755 00:22:08,933 --> 00:22:10,400 OWN SCHEDULES ARE THEY THE ONLY 756 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,500 ONES THAT CAN SUDDENLY BECOME 757 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:13,833 LAWMAKERS BECAUSE IT WORKS WITH 758 00:22:13,833 --> 00:22:15,166 THEIR SCHEDULE BUT A CAR 759 00:22:15,166 --> 00:22:16,400 MECHANIC AND WANTED TO RUN HE 760 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:17,900 CAN'T LEAVE HIS JOB FOR THREE 761 00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:20,133 MONTHS AT A TIME. 762 00:22:20,133 --> 00:22:21,833 >> THE LEGISLATURE CAN DECIDE 763 00:22:21,833 --> 00:22:23,900 HOW TO DO IT HOW THEY WISH TO 764 00:22:23,900 --> 00:22:25,633 AND IF THEY START JANUARY 15 AND 765 00:22:25,633 --> 00:22:28,166 GO TO APRIL 15, 90 DAYS IN BY 766 00:22:28,166 --> 00:22:29,533 THE WAY HOW MANY DAYS ARE THEY 767 00:22:29,533 --> 00:22:30,800 IN SESSION NOW? 768 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,033 FOLKS IF YOU ARE LISTENING THEY 769 00:22:33,033 --> 00:22:36,233 ARE ONLY IN 85-95 DAYS ON 770 00:22:36,233 --> 00:22:37,366 AVERAGE AND YOU HAVE PART TIME 771 00:22:37,366 --> 00:22:38,566 TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY AND 772 00:22:38,566 --> 00:22:41,600 OFF FOR DEER HUNTING SEASON AND 773 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,266 OFF FOR CHRISTMAS AND BENEFITS 774 00:22:43,266 --> 00:22:45,166 AND 75 A DAY FOR EVERY DAY THEY 775 00:22:45,166 --> 00:22:46,433 ARE NOT IN SESSION AND CAN 776 00:22:46,433 --> 00:22:47,666 WRITE-OFF INCOME TAX AND DON'T 777 00:22:47,666 --> 00:22:49,066 TALK ABOUT THAT THAT IS FRIDAY, 778 00:22:49,066 --> 00:22:50,933 SATURDAY, SUNDAY MONDAY. 779 00:22:50,933 --> 00:22:53,333 >> SUCH A HOT SHOT IDEA HOW COME 780 00:22:53,333 --> 00:22:54,833 PARTS OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY 781 00:22:54,833 --> 00:22:57,766 ARE LOATHE TO SUPPORT IT. 782 00:22:57,766 --> 00:23:00,266 >> CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TOLD NORM 783 00:23:00,266 --> 00:23:02,500 AND I GOT HIM INVOLVED WITH IT I 784 00:23:02,500 --> 00:23:03,400 APPROACHED HIM AND SAID WE ARE 785 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:04,566 NOT GOING TO GET INVOLVED WITH 786 00:23:04,566 --> 00:23:06,400 IT BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T SEE HOW 787 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,266 WE CAN PASS IT NOW WE ARE CLOSE 788 00:23:08,266 --> 00:23:09,866 TO PASSING IT THEY ARE AGAINST 789 00:23:09,866 --> 00:23:11,933 IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT IT 790 00:23:11,933 --> 00:23:13,766 PASSED, WHY BECAUSE LOBBYING 791 00:23:13,766 --> 00:23:15,366 WOULD BE LESS EFFECTIVE AND 792 00:23:15,366 --> 00:23:16,700 QUITE FRANKLY YOU PEOPLE SITTING 793 00:23:16,700 --> 00:23:18,233 HERE ARE A LITTLE PREJUDICE ON 794 00:23:18,233 --> 00:23:19,433 THIS ISSUE I WOULD SAY BECAUSE 795 00:23:19,433 --> 00:23:20,733 IF THEY ARE ONLY IN SESSION 796 00:23:20,733 --> 00:23:22,500 JANUARY, FEBRUARY MARCH OR 90 797 00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:24,866 DAYS WHAT ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO 798 00:23:24,866 --> 00:23:27,066 DO THE OTHER 90 DAYS. 799 00:23:27,066 --> 00:23:27,733 >> BUREAUCRACY. 800 00:23:27,733 --> 00:23:29,033 >> PLENTY OF STORIES IN LANSING 801 00:23:29,033 --> 00:23:30,800 THAT DO NOT HAVE TO DO WITH THE 802 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:31,200 LAWMAKER. 803 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,333 >> MANY PEOPLE ARE TALKING. 804 00:23:32,333 --> 00:23:33,133 >> BUSINESS COMMUNITY SAYING 805 00:23:33,133 --> 00:23:34,700 THIS IS A BAD IDEA. 806 00:23:34,700 --> 00:23:36,100 >> WHICH BUSINESS COMMUNITY SOME 807 00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:40,200 BUSINESSES LOVE THE IDEA OF A 808 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:46,000 PART TIME LEGISLATURE. 809 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,866 >> I SUPPORT CALLEY FOR PUTTING 810 00:23:48,866 --> 00:23:51,000 IT IN AND I'M NOT SUPPORTING HIM 811 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:51,666 FOR GOVERNOR. 812 00:23:51,666 --> 00:23:53,033 >> HOW MUCH ARE YOU PAYING FOR 813 00:23:53,033 --> 00:23:53,533 SIGNATURE. 814 00:23:53,533 --> 00:23:56,766 >> BETWEEN 1-2 BUT WE HAVE 9,000 815 00:23:56,766 --> 00:23:58,533 PEOPLE AND GRASS ROOTS BESIDES 816 00:23:58,533 --> 00:24:00,166 THAT AND DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY 817 00:24:00,166 --> 00:24:01,833 PRESENTLY TO COVER THAT. 818 00:24:01,833 --> 00:24:03,400 >> REPRESENTATIVE IS IT FAIR TO 819 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,966 ASSUME YOU'RE NOT A FAN OF THE 820 00:24:05,966 --> 00:24:07,666 EXECUTIVE BRANCH ISSUING 821 00:24:07,666 --> 00:24:09,333 ADMINISTRATIVE RULES AND 822 00:24:09,333 --> 00:24:10,466 REGULATIONS AND SO FORTH? 823 00:24:10,466 --> 00:24:12,100 >> IT'S FAIR FOR ME TO SAY I 824 00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:13,766 THINK IT'S A FALSE ASSUMPTION 825 00:24:13,766 --> 00:24:15,333 WHEN YOU SAY THAT THE EXECUTIVE 826 00:24:15,333 --> 00:24:17,133 WILL HAVE MORE POWER. 827 00:24:17,133 --> 00:24:18,633 IN FACT, THE MARGARET FERGUSON 828 00:24:18,633 --> 00:24:20,133 FROM THE INDIANA UNIVERSITY 829 00:24:20,133 --> 00:24:21,666 POLITICAL SCIENCE DID A STUDY ON 830 00:24:21,666 --> 00:24:23,233 THAT AND SAID IT'S THE OPPOSITE 831 00:24:23,233 --> 00:24:23,900 WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE FULL 832 00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:26,366 TIME LEGISLATURE TWO OR THREE 833 00:24:26,366 --> 00:24:27,466 PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF POWER TO 834 00:24:27,466 --> 00:24:28,666 DECIDE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, 835 00:24:28,666 --> 00:24:30,500 ONE THE GOVERNOR CANNOT SIGN IT 836 00:24:30,500 --> 00:24:32,733 IN LAW UNLESS THE LEGISLATURE 837 00:24:32,733 --> 00:24:33,666 MAKES THE LAW BECAUSE HE DOESN'T 838 00:24:33,666 --> 00:24:35,066 HAVE AUTHORITY TO MAKE LAW AND 839 00:24:35,066 --> 00:24:36,833 HE BASICALLY SAID WHEN OR SHE 840 00:24:36,833 --> 00:24:38,233 BASICALLY SAID WHEN THOSE PEOPLE 841 00:24:38,233 --> 00:24:39,533 ARE IN SESSION ALL THE TIME THE 842 00:24:39,533 --> 00:24:41,866 GOVERNOR HAS MORE POWER TO SWAY 843 00:24:41,866 --> 00:24:44,133 THEIR VOTES BY TWISTING ARMS NOW 844 00:24:44,133 --> 00:24:45,600 YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I DO 845 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:46,733 ESPECIALLY YOU TIM YOU KNOW THE 846 00:24:46,733 --> 00:24:47,866 POWER OF THE SPEAKER AND YOU 847 00:24:47,866 --> 00:24:49,733 SERVE AT THE POWER OF THE 848 00:24:49,733 --> 00:24:51,200 SPEAKER I USED TO SAY REALLY I 849 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,833 SERVE AT THE POWER OF THE 95,000 850 00:24:52,833 --> 00:24:54,366 PEOPLE THAT ELECTED ME NOT THE 851 00:24:54,366 --> 00:24:55,800 SPEAKER THE SPEAKER CAN TAKE 852 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,433 YOUR CHAIR AWAY AND GIVE YOU 853 00:24:57,433 --> 00:24:58,600 NOTHING BUT A COMPUTER AND TAKE 854 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,633 YOUR STAFF AWAY I HIRE MY OWN 855 00:25:00,633 --> 00:25:00,900 STAFF. 856 00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:03,066 WHAT HAPPENS FOR EXAMPLE LIKE 857 00:25:03,066 --> 00:25:06,633 COLBECK WHEN MEEKHOFF TOOK 858 00:25:06,633 --> 00:25:08,366 LEADERSHIP POSITIONS AWAY AND 859 00:25:08,366 --> 00:25:09,666 THREATENING TO TAKE AWAY HIS 860 00:25:09,666 --> 00:25:11,566 OFFICE PEOPLE YOU ARE BASICALLY 861 00:25:11,566 --> 00:25:13,033 TAKEN AWAY HE HAS THE POWER TO 862 00:25:13,033 --> 00:25:15,366 TAKE AWAY THE PEOPLE FROM 95,000 863 00:25:15,366 --> 00:25:17,833 PEOPLE IN THE CASE OF A SENATOR 864 00:25:17,833 --> 00:25:20,200 MANY MORE THEIR LEGISLATURE THEY 865 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,966 PUT IN OFFICE FROM DOING THEIR 866 00:25:21,966 --> 00:25:22,300 JOB. 867 00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:24,266 MY POINT WHEN I WAS THERE THE 868 00:25:24,266 --> 00:25:25,766 HOUSE SPEAKER AND SENATE LEADER 869 00:25:25,766 --> 00:25:27,100 HAVE TOO MUCH POWER AND HAS TO 870 00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:29,166 BE REDUCED IN THE FUTURE. 871 00:25:29,166 --> 00:25:30,433 >> REPRESENTATIVE DO YOU LIVE IN 872 00:25:30,433 --> 00:25:34,666 SENATOR MEEKHOFF'S DISTRICT NOW? 873 00:25:34,666 --> 00:25:35,433 >> NO. 874 00:25:35,433 --> 00:25:36,566 >> WHICH DISTRICT DO YOU LIVE 875 00:25:36,566 --> 00:25:38,000 IN, WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO BE 876 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,266 PART OF THE SENATE YOU COULD 877 00:25:39,266 --> 00:25:40,933 REALLY BE FIGHTING THIS FIGHT ON 878 00:25:40,933 --> 00:25:41,966 THE INSIDE. 879 00:25:41,966 --> 00:25:43,266 >> IF THIS GOES PART TIME I 880 00:25:43,266 --> 00:25:44,566 MIGHT VERY WELL DO SOMETHING 881 00:25:44,566 --> 00:25:45,000 LIKE THAT. 882 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,600 >> ARE YOU GETTING PAID TO BE 883 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:47,733 PART OF THIS? 884 00:25:47,733 --> 00:25:48,700 >> THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE OF 885 00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:51,800 MINE SINCE 2007 WHEN I GOT IN 886 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,200 THERE AND SAT DOWN AND SAW THE 887 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,566 INCOMPETENCE WITHIN THIS BRANCH 888 00:25:55,566 --> 00:25:57,133 I THOUGHT THIS IS WHY WE ARE IN 889 00:25:57,133 --> 00:25:59,433 TROUBLE EXCESSIVE LAW TAXES 890 00:25:59,433 --> 00:26:01,033 FINES FEES RULES AND REGULATIONS 891 00:26:01,033 --> 00:26:03,033 THESE PEOPLE ARE PUTTING OUT 892 00:26:03,033 --> 00:26:03,666 DAILY. 893 00:26:03,666 --> 00:26:04,833 >> CONFIDENT THIS WILL BE ON THE 894 00:26:04,833 --> 00:26:05,333 BALLOT. 895 00:26:05,333 --> 00:26:07,100 >> CONFIDENT IT WILL BE ON THE 896 00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:08,700 BALLOT AND CONFIDENT IF IT GETS 897 00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:10,466 ON THE BALLOT IT'S GOING TO PASS 898 00:26:10,466 --> 00:26:11,900 PEOPLE ARE FED UP WITH WHAT THEY 899 00:26:11,900 --> 00:26:13,933 SEE IN LANSING WE SAID NO. 900 00:26:13,933 --> 00:26:15,700 >> GOT TO GET OUT. 901 00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:17,466 >> THANK YOU SIR GOOD TO SEE YOU 902 00:26:17,466 --> 00:26:21,333 AGAIN NEXT WEEK CORRESPONDENCE 903 00:26:21,333 --> 00:26:22,400 EDITION AND LOOK AT THE GOVERNOR 904 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,400 AND U.S. SENATE RACE AND 905 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:25,466 EVERYTHING SEE YOU THEN. 906 00:26:25,466 --> 00:26:26,533 PRODUCE OF "OFF THE RECORD" IS 907 00:26:26,533 --> 00:26:27,966 MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY A GRANT 908 00:26:27,966 --> 00:26:29,500 FROM TRUSCOTT-ROSSMAN, 909 00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:31,733 MICHIGAN'S ONLY BIPARTISAN 910 00:26:31,733 --> 00:26:33,166 STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS FIRM 911 00:26:33,166 --> 00:26:35,500 SERVING STATEWIDE NATIONAL AND 912 00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:36,533 INTERNATIONAL CLIENTS FROM THEIR 913 00:26:36,533 --> 00:26:38,466 OFFICES IN LANSING, DETROIT AND 914 00:26:38,466 --> 00:26:43,900 GRAND RAPIDS, TRUSCOTT-ROSSMAN. 915 00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:44,566 HAGER FOX HEATING AND AIR 916 00:26:44,566 --> 00:26:45,433 CONDITIONING SERVING THE GREATER 917 00:26:45,433 --> 00:26:47,433 LANSING AREA SINCE 1941 918 00:26:47,433 --> 00:26:48,500 PROVIDING SOLUTIONS AND CHOICES 919 00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:50,433 FOR HOME COMFORT DURING ALL 920 00:26:50,433 --> 00:26:53,033 MICHIGAN SEASONS, HAGER FOX AND 921 00:26:53,033 --> 00:26:53,733 BRYANT WHATEVER IT TAKES, HAGER 922 00:26:53,733 --> 00:26:55,266 FOX HEATING AND AIR 923 00:26:55,266 --> 00:26:56,133 CONDITIONINGER Fox.COM. 924 00:26:56,133 --> 00:26:58,166 AND BY MSU COLLEGE OF 925 00:26:58,166 --> 00:26:59,666 AGRICULTURAL AND NATURAL 926 00:26:59,666 --> 00:27:00,933 RESOURCES, MICHIGAN STATE 927 00:27:00,933 --> 00:27:02,766 UNIVERSITY WANTS TO BE A TRUSTED 928 00:27:02,766 --> 00:27:04,100 PARTNER IN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT 929 00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:06,133 FOOD AND WHERE IT COMES FROM 930 00:27:06,133 --> 00:27:07,333 INCLUDING ITS IMPACT ON OUR 931 00:27:07,333 --> 00:27:09,800 HEALTH AND ON OUR PLANET LEARN 932 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,200 MORE AT FOOD.MSU.EDU FOR MORE 933 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,166 "OFF THE RECORD" VISIT WKAR.ORG 934 00:27:17,166 --> 00:27:18,633 MICHIGAN PUBLIC TELEVISION 935 00:27:18,633 --> 00:27:19,666 STATIONS CONTRIBUTED TO THE 936 00:27:19,666 --> 00:27:20,833 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